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Admiral Kuznetsov will take control of Eastern Mediterranean: US fears and A2 / AD strategy

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Recently, in the United States, the concept of a so-called strategy for restricting and prohibiting access and maneuver A2 / AD (Anti-Access / Aria Denial) has been introduced to consider the Russian defensive and offensive potentials on the extreme frontiers of Eastern Europe and the Baltic States. In the understanding of American officers, this is the deployment of advanced military units equipped with the most modern models of equipment that do not allow the enemy (in our case, the US Armed Forces) to choose a maneuver that allows them to break through the defenses on the weakest portion of the probable line of demarcation. This strategy provides for the complete absence of such “gaps”. The most effective use of the A2 / AD strategy by our army is noted by the Americans in the Gulf of Finland, the Kaliningrad Region, and also in the Republic of Crimea. Even the eminent edition of the National Interest, referring to the former NATO Commander-in-Chief in Europe Philip Bridlaw, notes the insufficiency of both the rapid reaction force and the NATO Combat to overcome such lines of prohibition of access and maneuver. The concept of a NATO bloc for these purposes mainly uses the United Air Forces, the capabilities of which are not enough, and it is not enough to suppress the A2 / AD basis presented in our VKS and SV C-300 / 400, C-300B4 systems and "Pantsir-С1". It is worth saying that the skillful use of this strategy by the Russian Armed Forces seriously undermines morale in Washington, but it is even more undermined when A2 / AD moves from Russian outposts in the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea to remote areas of interest and influence of the Russian Federation. Syria and the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea are included in the list of these zones.

Some time after the decision by the US Navy command to send an additional 2nd AUG led by the nuclear carrier CVN-69 USS “Dwight D. Esenhower” to the Syrian coast navy Russia took a retaliatory measure, which involved the use of the heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov in a military operation in the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic. This is the first operation as close as possible to the conditions of hostilities of the only Russian flagship aircraft carrier 25 years after the solemn raising of the St. Andrew’s flag on board. The participation of the Tavkr pr. 1143.5 at the Syrian theater was announced on July 2 from the capital's military-diplomatic department. The ship will be on alert off the coast of Syria for 4 months (from October 2016 to January 2017).

The tasks of the 279th Separate Naval Fighter Aviation Regiment (OKIAP) based on the twice Hero of the Soviet Union Boris Safonov, which will be based on the Admiral Kuznetsov’s board, will include bombing missiles in the military-technical, training and production infrastructures of the Islamic State in the central and eastern provinces of the SAR, and therefore, it was initially reported that the flagship would stop in close proximity to the coastline so that the combat radius of the deck aviation confidently reached the necessary milestones for the use of weapons. The skills that the aircraft carrier’s crew and the flight crew of the 279th OKIAP should receive, of course, cannot be called a full-fledged “baptism of fire”, since there’s no need to repel RCC “star raids” on an aircraft carrier, nor will there be a need for carrier-based aircraft to conduct an air battle with the enemy, which has no aircraft, but the atmosphere and electronic environment will seriously resemble a military conflict between Russia and NATO.

The American carrier-based aviation, as well as the tactical aircraft of the Royal Air Force of Great Britain operating from the Akrotiri airbase on the island of Cyprus, will “probe” the radio capabilities of Admiral Kuznetsov’s radar equipment, and, if possible, also the characteristics of the on-board 90 radar fighter aircraft Su-15 and 33 MiG-4K / KUB, as well as an early warning helicopter Ka-29 "Helix-B", which is the only long-range radar detection tool on the aircraft carrier. For the purpose of full "illumination" of all ship and airborne radar stations located on Kuznetsov, the Americans and the British can use absolutely any air tactics: from approaching at ultra-low altitude to locking in the far zone of the defeat zone of the Kinzhal kvrk missile. raise Su-31.

They will be interested in the level of noise immunity of our radars, which can be determined using on-board radio-electronic equipment of such aircraft of electronic warfare and reconnaissance as the E-F-18G “Growler” and RC-135V / W “Rivet Joint”. At the wing tips, sides of the forward fuselage, engine nacelles and the rear part of the Groiler, at least 2 container and 4 embedded AN / ALQ-218 radio-emitting targets (V2) are installed. The goals of the perfect from any angle are detected. The information is then received by the onboard computer, where it is processed, if possible, compared with data received from other units via the Link-16 tactical communications system or ICANS, after which the DER / RTR system operator is determined by selecting the required REP station depending on the type of signal suppressed. If this is an enemy radar complex, then LR-700 antennas are selected, if the radio station or tactical information exchange terminal (communication), then low-frequency broadband transmitters ALQ-99, located in the outboard containers, or REB AN / ALQ (V) 1 CCS installed in the niche of the aircraft gun.

At the same time, the AN / ALR-67 (V) 3 SPO can simultaneously notify the pilot, for example, about how the enemy’s radar operating modes change at the time of exposure to radio-electronic interference, which will give the answer to the question: not possible? In air combat, the knowledge of such "numbers" as applied to the enemy radar gives a sure success. Rivet Joint also has equipment for analyzing the operating modes of enemy radars. The AMR AM / AMQ-15 complex unites two major subsystems for the detection, classification and identification of radio signals. The first, AEELS, determines the exact coordinates of air and ground targets by radiation, the second, MUCELS, accurately identifies the operating mode of the radar signal and also works on methods of suppressing encrypted radio channels. Through the Link-16 communication channel, communication between the Rivet Joint, E-3C / G, E-2D and Growler boards can be maintained. Naturally, our Tu-214P and Su-34 with "Khibiny" also track all the principles of NATO radar and communications, but in order to avoid opening their own radio electronic capabilities, the entire carrier-based Kuznetsova aircraft often use optical-electronic sighting complexes OLS- 27K and OLS-UEM, initially focusing on the targeting of the Ka-31 and MR-MPN-750 Fregat-MA radar, as well as the Mars-Passat radar station.

“ADMIRAL OF KUZNETSOV” AS A BACKGROUND OF THE STRATEGY “A2 / AD”: “BONE IN THE THROAT” OF THE AMERICAN FLEET


The open sash of the underdeck 1х12 PU SM-233A of the Granit anti-ship missile complex П-700 aboard the Admiral Kuznetsov air-lift unit. Each launch module has a slope of 60 degrees, and the launch itself is carried out when the module is filled with water to reduce the high-temperature impact of the products of combustion of the solid-fuel accelerator on the module and the internal components of the aircraft-carrying rocket cruiser


Let us return to the main binder of our military-strategic influence and the attempts of the US to counter it in the form of a strategy to restrict access and maneuver “A2 / AD”. It is easy to understand the whole acuteness of the stay of the Russian aircraft carrier cruiser for the US Navy, who wish to maintain complete domination on the sea approaches to the SAR. The United States continues to refuse military operations against the IG jointly with the Russian Aerospace Forces, and the terrorists are “ironed out”, frankly, only where it does not cause them serious damage, because they can be useful to them at any time to conduct a “game” against the pro-Syrian army .

Entered in the Eastern Mediterranean, Admiral Kuznetsov with 279 OKIAP will create significant problems for the US AUG in terms of access and maneuvers of carrier-based US aviation over almost half of the Mediterranean. If we carefully examine our wing, it becomes immediately clear the distribution of tasks between fighters of different classes. So, MiG-29K and more advanced MiG-29KUB (generation "4 + / 4 ++") will be used mainly for strikes against ISIS foci in Syrian territory. For this, the most diverse rocket-bomb armament will be used (from guided bombs with semi-active laser guidance to X-29L / T missiles). Suspended fuel tanks at MiGs will allow Admiral Kuznetsov to be located not only near the territorial waters of Syria, but also closer to Cyprus, or even south of it.

This tactical feature extends the capabilities of the second, purely anti-aircraft, part of the 279-th - Su-33. These deck fighters-interceptors are equipped with a standard airborne radar H001, which has only the mode of "air-to-air". But the radius of action of these planes reaches 1500 km at high altitude without PTB. A link from the 2 or 4 of the Su-33 will be able to conduct regular patrols and aerial surveillance of surface ships and NATO aircraft right up to the coast of Italy. In addition, the sea "Dryers" carry an improved arsenal of R-27EM air-to-air missiles optimized for intercepting complex and small air targets against the background of the water / land surface. Su-33 pilots will be assigned the task of controlling the sea boundaries of our AUG in the Mediterranean.

Admiral Kuznetsov’s self-defense, built on the Dirks, Daggers and AK-630, is equivalent to the 5-7 of the Nimitz-class nuclear aircraft carriers, which makes the enemy think well before attacking this unique NK. The arsenal of the 9М330-2 and 9М311К missiles makes up the 448 missiles, and the total fire channel, together with the AK-630, reaches the 54 simultaneously fired at the CC.

For the entire wing of the air, this mission will be the first “semi-combat” test in which our sailors and pilots will learn to act quickly, deliberately and comprehensively in conditions where they can be separated from several tens of kilometers to a couple of hundred meters from a likely numerically superior enemy. Of course, they will need to remember the twelve "fiery" "Granites" under the deck, which without exaggeration can create a real shipwreck in enemy naval formations.

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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 4 July 2016 07: 43
    +24
    Not so long ago there was news that Kuznetsov would soon be upgrading. Interestingly, will Granite be replaced by Caliber or Zircon? Then the combat capabilities will increase at times! Still a full-fledged AWACS plane, after all, the helicopter does not have such tactical mobility
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 4 July 2016 08: 38
      +13
      Just the same helicopter possesses precisely tactical mobility, and at sea it is quite enough. If necessary, it is not a problem to send Tu-214P there, since Khmeimim is not so far from the seashore.
      1. dr.Bo
        dr.Bo 4 July 2016 08: 42
        +23
        Handsome ship! hi
        1. Imperialkolorad
          Imperialkolorad 4 July 2016 09: 04
          +12
          Quote: dr.Bo
          Handsome ship!

          Yes, the ship inspires respect. Well handsome without a doubt.
          1. Alexey-74
            Alexey-74 4 July 2016 13: 18
            +3
            I think he will direct the "nix" in the Mediterranean, most likely the escort ships will be added there .... and after a business trip from the Mediterranean, I think he will go on vacation with modernization ..... GOOD LUCK !!!
            1. Arh
              Arh 4 July 2016 15: 53
              0
              Stronzberg: "Russia is a threat to NATO"))))) oh, I can't laugh)))))
            2. igorka357
              igorka357 5 July 2016 07: 32
              +1
              And now, to tell you the truth, escort ships ... one or a maximum of two! And I think more than one submarine will follow the aircraft carrier, and not only the Amer one. And now we compare it with the amer amer! Well, we are not an aircraft carrier power, and there’s nothing to rock the boat, we crush them and other methods!
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 4 July 2016 15: 23
            +2
            Something annoying me is the tactical use of an aircraft carrier.

            Drive a ship into a limited space, put it near the coastline. Strongly reminiscent of a cheap demonstration, when they turn their backs to the enemy demonstrating excessive confidence. Yes, they laid eggs in one basket.

            The task of the aircraft carrier within a week to seize a bridgehead on the shore. Create a base and overtake all the air wing on the ground airfield. And after that, go to sea and fulfill the supply tasks.
            1. Verdun
              Verdun 4 July 2016 17: 49
              +1
              Quote: gladcu2
              Something annoying me is the tactical use of an aircraft carrier.

              I think it annoys many. Moreover, such as "Kuznetsov". One of my acquaintances served on it, just at the time when the decision was made to transfer it from the Black Sea to the north. Then the aircraft carrier was almost thirty years younger. The guy served in BC-5 and shared his impressions of how the crew ate up to the tonsils of problems, maintaining the viability of the ship's not very successful power plant. Considering how long they write that "Kuznetsov" needs repairs, it is high time for it. But, apparently, there is nowhere. and they drive the only aircraft carrier in the country, if they don't sew a sleeve.
              1. unsinkable
                unsinkable 4 July 2016 20: 00
                +1
                Quote: Verdun
                I think that annoys many.

                Quote: gladcu2
                Something annoying me is the tactical use of an aircraft carrier.

                You are both spies. Do not meddle in strategy.
                1. AleksUkr
                  AleksUkr 9 July 2016 15: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: unsinkable
                  You are both spies. Do not meddle in strategy.

                  They don’t really pull on shpienov with their limited umpire. So they always have a lot of fun. But the pugs bark, and the caravan goes on and on ... Good luck to him. And the pugs, they will remain pugs ...
              2. Bersaglieri
                Bersaglieri 4 July 2016 20: 07
                +3
                If the power plants have not been replaced so far, it’s sad.
            2. Cat
              Cat 4 July 2016 19: 03
              +4
              It all starts small. Ships must sail. Crews gain practical experience. Let them start from the beginning in a pool of the Mediterranean Sea, and not in the oceans, but with real combat missions. Even if not a comparable opponent. Experience and more races experience. And eights and to the open sea of ​​the ocean are expensive.
              1. Egor69
                Egor69 4 July 2016 19: 37
                -15%
                And for what? In Russia, 35 percent of all world wealth is concentrated. Which we can’t properly master, at least to solve the main problem of the country, a sharp increase in the birth rate))). Well, yes, and the oceans are very relevant. Only, soon a healthy young population will not (and educated), what would go on such ships))
                1. pol_ovnik
                  pol_ovnik 4 July 2016 20: 59
                  +5
                  Quote: Egor69
                  35 percent of all world wealth. Which we cannot master normally

                  to master all 35% at once? or grafted, picking out the right number? We are doing this, gradually, as necessary.
                  Quote: Egor69
                  to master, at least for ..... a sharp increase in the birth rate

                  the women giving birth to the population are not a gas station, abruptly filled with gasoline, a complex of state measures is needed here, which is done as far as possible. And these opportunities appear in close connection with the MAIN - a peaceful sky above your head. Agree, this is the main condition for fertility.
                  (not, well, if the bomb explodes - and the woman can spawn faster))
                2. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 5 July 2016 17: 25
                  +10
                  Russia can very well master its wealth. The question is different. Someone else will constantly creep on these riches, and them to a fig. Try to master it when you are constantly (those that are buried), they throw up revolutions, then wars (including world wars), then the collapse of the country, with the subsequent looting of everything and everything. Secondly, most of the resources are concentrated in hard-to-reach places and in places with severe climatic conditions. Would leave Russia alone, master everything, do not worry, and all will shut up for a belt. This is what they are afraid of in the West.
                3. duchy
                  duchy 7 July 2016 07: 02
                  +5
                  at least to solve the basic problem of the country, a sharp increase in the birth rate))

                  And you eat less chupa-chups yourself; don’t give your children and grandchildren, but eat normal, natural food. Most importantly, work with your spouse to solve the BASIC PROBLEM, day and night.
                  Good luck and success!! good drinks
                  PS If you are single - get married immediately !! am
                4. AleksUkr
                  AleksUkr 9 July 2016 15: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Egor69
                  Only, soon a healthy young population will not (and educated), what would go on such ships))

                  You say clever thoughts, son of God. Here and deal with the increase in the number of healthy young people ... Then there will be no time for traptology ...
              2. igorka357
                igorka357 5 July 2016 07: 34
                +7
                So .. for information, the ships go, but you yourself know what floats! Middle-earth is a puddle yes ..))) you tell the fifth OPESk, and RAZ is written through W!
            3. Cat
              Cat 4 July 2016 19: 13
              0
              It all starts small. Ships must sail. Crews gain practical experience. Let them start from the beginning in a pool of the Mediterranean Sea, and not in the oceans, but with real combat missions. Even if not a comparable opponent. Experience and more races experience. And eights and to the open sea of ​​the ocean are expensive.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 5 July 2016 21: 16
                +3
                It all starts small. Ships must sail. Crews gain practical experience. Let them start from the beginning in a pool of the Mediterranean Sea, and not in the oceans, but with real combat missions. Even if not a comparable opponent. Experience and more races experience. And eights and to the open sea of ​​the ocean are expensive.
                So it is clear that you are a Cat, you have not even grown to the Russian language. Practice a lot and get "Experience and more races experience". And nothing, that in this puddle of the Mediterranean sea, there is the sixth us fleet, with two attack aircraft carriers and with all the infrastructure. Any entry into combat service on the open sea means training the crew and gaining invaluable experience. And what difference does it make if it's an ocean or a "Mediterranean puddle".
            4. Egor69
              Egor69 4 July 2016 19: 32
              -15%
              So yes, clumsy pont- more expensive than money, which is already not))
              1. pol_ovnik
                pol_ovnik 4 July 2016 21: 09
                +5
                Uh-huh, the ponteous videoconferencing caused a tsunami of Russophobia throughout the Pentagon, highlighting against its background already amers' "show-offs" with their imaginary successes in the fight against ... no one who and what.
                For some, actions are show-offs, for others, a strategy. The difference in relation to the tasks performed and in the .. results!
            5. Altona
              Altona 4 July 2016 20: 14
              +3
              Quote: gladcu2

              Drive a ship into a limited space, put it near the coastline. Strongly reminiscent of a cheap demonstration, when they turn their backs to the enemy demonstrating excessive confidence. Yes, they laid eggs in one basket.

              --------------------
              Not certainly in that way. The rates are constantly increasing. This campaign should show the American squadron where it belongs in Mediterranean. Of course, opponents will "paint portraits" of each other, not without it. And then "Kuzyu" should be sent for repair and modernization. Such a ship should not be idle at the quay wall.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 4 July 2016 23: 09
                +2
                Altona

                There seems to be 6 fleets there. So which of them indicate the place? Or all at once.

                Well, how will one aircraft carrier with 25-30 fighter jets strain? Moreover, in the Mediterranean Sea there is nowhere to hide their carcass either. Yes, and ground-based missiles will be thrown so that nothing helps.
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 4 July 2016 10: 14
        +9
        Quote: Flinky
        Just the same helicopter possesses precisely tactical mobility, and at sea it is quite enough. If necessary, it is not a problem to send Tu-214P there, since Khmeimim is not so far from the seashore.

        What does Tu-214P have to do with AWACS?
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 4 July 2016 20: 09
          +5
          Nothing. For he is ELINT according to the NATO classification (Or RER according to ours)
        2. Fulcrumxnumx
          5 July 2016 14: 18
          -2
          Direct, the Tu-214P is much more accurate in detecting and classifying surface ships than in A-50..a detection of over-the-horizon NCs is just as important a task as the observation of air targets.

          Think more flexibly and do not bother people with your limited stomping!)))
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 9 July 2016 01: 53
            +5
            Quote: Fulcrum29
            Direct, the Tu-214P is much more accurate in detecting and classifying surface ships than in A-50..a detection of over-the-horizon NCs is just as important a task as the observation of air targets.

            What can we talk about if you are a scout from an AWACS aircraft?
            Quote: Fulcrum29
            Think more flexibly and don’t bother people with your limited banter!

            Is this for you people? Maybe before you write any nonsense you should understand the essence of what you write?
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 July 2016 10: 42
        +7
        Quote: Flinky
        Just the same helicopter has precisely tactical mobility, and at sea it is quite enough

        It does NOT and is NOT sufficient. From the word "in general".
      4. Kenneth
        Kenneth 4 July 2016 12: 22
        +1
        Enough for what.
    2. Leto
      Leto 4 July 2016 08: 50
      +9
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Will granite be replaced with Caliber or Zircon?

      I suppose they’ll cut it out altogether.
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 4 July 2016 20: 11
        +1
        It is necessary to hang anti-ship missiles on planes. "In overload" MiG-29K lift 4xX-35 or 4x X-31A.
        10-12 MiG-29K is an excellent strike squadron.
    3. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 4 July 2016 09: 15
      +5
      Zircon and Caliber are systems of different "weight categories". With zircons it is necessary to work on large and dangerous targets, and with calibers on smaller ones. Price-quality, or rather the price-ratio of the target to be hit must always correspond.
      1. SeregaBoss
        SeregaBoss 4 July 2016 11: 43
        +4
        During the conduct of real combat operations, calculation is not in the first place, and the people managing these systems are well aware of what to "weigh" to whom.
    4. Michael-rl
      Michael-rl 4 July 2016 10: 40
      +2
      According to statements, they will be removed altogether to increase the number of aircraft.
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik 4 July 2016 12: 34
        +2
        Quote: Michael-rl
        According to statements, they will be removed altogether to increase the number of aircraft.

        PC PU unit by occupied volume is equivalent TWO Su-33 fighters. So the increase will be very slight.
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 4 July 2016 20: 13
          +3
          .... or the volume required for the fuel storage for 6-8 MiG-29K. Or a box for 30-40 X-35 or X-31, which can be suspended to the desired MiG-29K.
      2. pol_ovnik
        pol_ovnik 4 July 2016 21: 16
        +1
        Quote: Michael-rl
        According to statements - they will be removed altogether

        Most likely, they will not be removed, but transferred to "support".
    5. Lyubopyatov
      Lyubopyatov 4 July 2016 12: 54
      +4
      Modernization and replacement of weapons is planned for the fall after the return of the Tavkr to the north.
    6. igorka357
      igorka357 5 July 2016 07: 28
      +2
      At times how is it? As a missile cruiser, or as an aircraft carrier cruiser? A single aircraft carrier in the sea can not be helped by granite, caliber, or zircon ... one aircraft carrier is doomed to quick destruction, so the Amer aug carry groups equal to the fleets of some countries ..) )!
    7. Orionvit
      Orionvit 5 July 2016 17: 14
      +1
      "Granite", "caliber" and "zircon" are missiles of different classes, purposes, ranges and tactics of use.
    8. dima mzk
      dima mzk 6 July 2016 13: 39
      0
      Zircon will already be there but 2 more aircraft carriers are needed, hard for the budget of course
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 July 2016 07: 50
    +5
    They were going to replace the air wing with the MIG29KUB, they are more perfect than Sushki and the efficiency of the air wing will increase. Going and Ka-52 with Mistral add ...
    1. Malkor
      Malkor 4 July 2016 09: 05
      +6
      replace with MIG29KUB they are more perfect than Dryers

      I would say Mig-29 others, not like drying.
      and now they are needed - for work on the ground
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 4 July 2016 09: 21
        +1
        And drying would be valuable. We do not have sighting containers. Dry, with its range, can hang in the air for a long time in Syria and carries an impressive bomb load. Or install a breo from S-30/35.
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 4 July 2016 20: 15
          +3
          Dryings would be valuable if they were pulled up to the level of Su-33KUB or Su-35 according to avionics. And alas. The beginning of the 90's.

          And the air-to-surface weapons, except for free-fall bombs and NUR, the Su-33 in its current form cannot be carried.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 July 2016 22: 44
            0
            Quote: Bersaglieri
            Dryings would be valuable if they were pulled up to the level of Su-33KUB or Su-35 according to avionics. And alas. The beginning of the 90's.

            You might think that the decks of US aircraft carriers are crammed with Silent Hornets. There are also planes there - far from new.
            1. Bersaglieri
              Bersaglieri 5 July 2016 10: 15
              +1
              Mostly F-18E. Multipurpose. F-18C / D were also multi-purpose. And even the modification of the F-14 was shock-BombCat

              And the Su-33 is not bad. It's just that he is not a multipurpose, but a pure interceptor. Like the F-14A, at one time. Now, if the avionics change, there will be another calico. And in the "native" video, alas.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 4 July 2016 09: 21
        0
        And drying would be valuable. We do not have sighting containers. Dry, with its range, can hang in the air for a long time in Syria and carries an impressive bomb load. Or install a breo from S-30/35.
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      4. Pushkar77
        Pushkar77 4 July 2016 13: 16
        +7
        The MiGar is now needed on the Kuza, since only it from our carrier-based aircraft is capable of carrying anti-ship and anti-radar missiles, as well as guided bombs and threatening enemy ships in the Mediterranean. The program for training pilots has been disrupted, it has already been written about this. And to work on the ground, our machines are already above the roof in Syria, they just need to be returned there. Here they are handsome. but could already be based on "Kuza".
    2. Glad
      Glad 6 July 2016 11: 47
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      They were going to replace the air wing with the MIG29KUB they are more perfect than Sushki

      Yes, the point is most likely not in perfection (avionics and armaments can be replaced), but in the fact that the MiG in terms of dimensions is trite smaller than Su. MiGs can be taken on a ship more.
      By the way, about perfection. Does anyone know that on the MiG-29KUB installed EMDS, i.e. remote control system?
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 July 2016 07: 53
    -17%
    Self-defense of "Admiral Kuznetsov", built on the "Daggers", "Daggers" and AK-630, is equivalent to 5-7 nuclear aircraft carriers of the class "Nimitz"

    Mericatos line up, grazing their mouths in the sky, and begin to howl! laughing
  4. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 4 July 2016 08: 28
    +5
    All the same, it’s nice to feel that Russia is not rising — as the Liberians write, but rising to its full height — albeit slower than you want, but surely! Hooray! drinks
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    2. Rom14
      Rom14 4 July 2016 08: 56
      +3
      ..this long time it’s time to clean out of all the military-industrial complex management structures, and throughout Russia .., the enemy was a tribe and an obstacle to the development of the country, Stalin did the right thing and with it not a single s.u. howled in our direction. The time will come and the traitors will get their own. But Russia was, is and will be.
  5. Platonich
    Platonich 4 July 2016 08: 36
    +3
    Something he is very good and menacing, is not it too .....?
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 4 July 2016 12: 18
      +8
      Something he is very good and menacing, is not it too .....?
      -----------------------------------------------
      Beautiful, kanesh ... Only, an infection, the time is tied to a tanker with fuel oil. As in the joke about the super-watch and two suitcases of batteries: =)
      1. Glad
        Glad 6 July 2016 11: 49
        0
        Quote: guzik007
        Beautiful, kanesh ... Only, an infection, the time is tied to a tanker with fuel oil. As in the joke about the super-watch and two suitcases of batteries: =)

        So the Americans have nuclear - only aircraft carriers. The "support group" also needs fuel oil.
  6. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 4 July 2016 08: 37
    +9
    All this, of course, is good with armament and rearmament, but what about energy? Even in October there is a climate in Mediterranean. conditions leave much to be desired - won't you envy the mechanics from EMBC? Yes, and warheads 4 and 7 without the "cold" also do not really "fight", so that "bravura marches" like "The Red Army is the Strongest of All" are not about "Kuznetsov"?
  7. Essex62
    Essex62 4 July 2016 08: 46
    +1
    It happened, comrades! Wait! Our aircraft carrier attacks a ground adversary in real combat conditions. In the morning the nose of the Western gopot, let them rage in impotent rage, let the Masons tremble on their atolls. The Russian Empire is again a sea power. It is a pity that there is only one TAKR yet.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 4 July 2016 11: 36
      -6
      Gentlemen minus, are you condo boots? The irony was not passed. And it’s not clear that the UAG US NAVY response is weak. Our strength is in other respects.
  8. Leto
    Leto 4 July 2016 09: 05
    +17
    Another nonsense of Damantsev
    Entering the Eastern Mediterranean, “Admiral Kuznetsov” with the 279th OKIAP will create significant problems for the US ACG in terms of access and maneuvers of US carrier-based aircraft over almost half of the Mediterranean Sea.

    The illiterate victim of the exam believes that 15 aircraft are capable of creating problems on an area of ​​1,25 million square meters. km

    Moving at 6 knots, surrounded by tankers and tugs, Kuznetsov is like an old man who has had a heart attack and wanders through a park surrounded by orderlies, he cannot cause anything but a dismissive smile.
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 4 July 2016 09: 17
      +6
      You have the wrong understanding of the A2 / AD concept. The point is not to control the entire specified territory, but to prevent another from doing this.
      1. Leto
        Leto 4 July 2016 09: 33
        +2
        Quote: ButchCassidy
        The point is not to control the entire specified territory, but to prevent another from doing this.

        In the Mediterranean Sea there are two aircraft carriers of the US Navy, how will Kuznetsov at 6 nodes with 15 aircraft interfere with them?
        1. GYGOLA
          GYGOLA 4 July 2016 10: 23
          -9
          I recently saw an opinion on the Internet:
          On the birthday of the Russian president, Russia launched 26 cruise missiles from the Caspian at militant positions in Syria.
          According to the Ministry of Defense, they hit 11 targets in full accordance with the task.
          Why exactly 26 missiles? Why for 11 goals, if 26 to 11 is not evenly divided?
          And then the last US aircraft carrier, named "Theodore Roosevelt", left the duty station and quite quickly headed from the Persian Gulf to its native shores.
          All this looks strange, if you do not peer at these numbers.
          Theodore Roosevelt was the 26th president of the United States.
          11 targets for missiles, this is a sending to one of the two "wings" of 22 hierophants of the Global Predictor, which especially strongly insisted on fighting Russia.
          A BBC message sent from London associated with another wing of the 22s indicates that the message has reached the addressee. Russia was heard, and the answer was sending the American aircraft carrier home.
          Now comes the fun part. "Theodore Roosevelt" was going to withdraw from the Persian Gulf a month before the launch of 26 missiles, when the confrontation in Yemen turned into an active phase of the war between the Saudis and the Houthis. But against the background of Russia's intensification in Turkey, I decided to hold back. And he was gently reminded that he had done it in vain. As a result, the events returned to the channel, which most likely had been agreed upon by all interested parties long ago. Interesting digital correspondence for insiders.

          if so, then there is experience in resolving issues with the US Navy.
        2. gispanec
          gispanec 4 July 2016 20: 38
          +2
          Quote: Leto
          thus Kuznetsov at 6 knots

          following your logic on 20 nodes, he will be able to fool
        3. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 5 July 2016 10: 57
          +1
          And how does "Yaroslav the Wise" interfere with the "San Jacinto" comrades now?

          The hedgehog understands that if you have Kuznetsov in a certain region, then in order to safely carry out combat missions some Eisenhower needs to keep at a certain distance - and it's not a question that Kuznetsov will attack someone , it will just take up space in space. And a lot: at least - for the flight range of the air wing. The flights of which Eisenhower must also take into account so that there are no accidents.

          And thus our overseas partners are deprived of the freedom of maneuver, which they would have had it not been for our "Kuznetsov" on duty in the region.
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 4 July 2016 10: 18
      +14
      Quote: Leto
      Another nonsense of Damantsev

      And apparently, he himself sincerely believes in this. Unfortunately, there is no competent editor at WHO who would filter such nonsense! sad
      1. xtur
        xtur 26 September 2016 10: 12
        0
        > Unfortunately, VO does not have a competent editor who would filter such nonsense!

        An article can only be answered with another article.
    3. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 4 July 2016 10: 24
      -8
      Well, Tada, your favorite Aug, led by a Nimchish wapche, SWIMMING in the form of a heap
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 July 2016 21: 44
      +1
      AUG in which composition moves? Personally, does the captain row oars?
    5. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 July 2016 21: 44
      0
      AUG in which composition moves? Personally, does the captain row oars?
    6. Glad
      Glad 6 July 2016 11: 54
      0
      Quote: Leto
      Moving at 6 knots, surrounded by tankers and tugs, Kuznetsov is like an old man who has had a heart attack and wanders through a park surrounded by orderlies, he cannot cause anything but a dismissive smile.


      It is not important. The main thing is the training of pilots and sailors. Who will prepare pilots for aircraft carriers? It’s not for the Americans to take instructors. The rest is candy wrappers.
    7. xtur
      xtur 26 September 2016 10: 18
      0
      > Another delirium of Damantsev
      ...
      > An illiterate victim of the Unified State Exam believes that 15 aircraft can create problems on an area of ​​1,25 million square meters. km.

      life has shown that the victim of the exam ... not he
      the appearance of the Russian squadron, even assembled from the last ships in the fleet, changed the whole alignment in Syria and around it. The Americans did not dare to take any military action in Syria that could affect the Russian armed forces

      The necessary outfit of forces for the war and in the current situation are completely different from each other
  9. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 4 July 2016 09: 30
    -16%
    If it is still charged with Granites, then the Americans will have a hard time, I think in the near future there will be other unexpected answers.
    1. Leto
      Leto 4 July 2016 09: 33
      +8
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      If still be charged with Granites,

      Granites on Kuznetsovo no longer smell.
  10. Samy
    Samy 4 July 2016 09: 46
    +8
    Solidarity with Leto. Protection of "Kuznetsov" - only the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation. Because without this cover, two American aircraft carrier groups, if necessary, will roll it out in 30 minutes. This is not counting the rest of the bases of NATA, poked in and around the Mediterranean Sea like a hedgehog's needles. Demonstration of the flag and an attempt to practice ourselves and understand what it is - an aircraft carrier and how to use it.
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 4 July 2016 10: 32
      -7
      they are just one "Yarik" piss ... if it comes to rolling, then if not all of them will fall under the rink, and so the knots are letting out and the genocide of babakhs and the puddle is small .. the missiles are not far away and the volley "Kuzi" aug 1pc .. only had time to release
      1. vadim dok
        vadim dok 4 July 2016 13: 08
        +2
        But the Americans don’t have anti-ship weapons at all? One destroyer has not much less weapons than Kuznetsov!
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 4 July 2016 22: 09
          -4
          Of all the anti-ship weapons of the American destroyer - the barrel artillery.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 5 July 2016 19: 45
            0
            Oh, how fans of American weapons got excited!
            Two minuses from two fools.
            Harpoons were removed, the anti-ship tomahawk was finished off, only torpedoes and artillery remain, though you can still use air defense missiles.
            Here is such a toothless shark in the American Navy.
      2. Tsoy
        Tsoy 4 July 2016 16: 02
        +9

        Quote: Yak-3P
        they are just one "Yarik" piss ... if it comes to rolling, then if not all of them will fall under the rink, and so the knots are letting out and the genocide of babakhs and the puddle is small .. the missiles are not far away and the volley "Kuzi" aug 1pc .. only had time to release


        I almost had my eyes out ...
    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 5 July 2016 10: 59
      0
      What does the SNF have to do with it, and what side of their responsibility is the protection of Kuznetsov?

      And yet he is not an aircraft carrier, but a TAVKR - those who wish to receive from their missile weapons can be lined up. I'm not saying that such ships do not go alone.
  11. Tsoy
    Tsoy 4 July 2016 10: 21
    +6
    For those who do not like Damantsy, and who do not want to scroll through the whole article in order to see the author, I give a hint. In his articles under the first picture is always a monstrous description. I see a distinctive feature, I do not read. You are the author of neither minus nor plus.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 4 July 2016 10: 30
      +14
      Quote: Choi
      For those who do not like Damantsy, and who do not want to scroll through the whole article in order to see the author, I give a hint. In his articles under the first picture is always a monstrous description. I see a distinctive feature, I do not read. You are the author of neither minus nor plus.

      The point is not even whether you like it or not, but that Damantsev regularly misleads readers by forming a distorted idea of ​​our capabilities, geopolitical realities and technology in general. The harm from such publications is colossal. negative
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 4 July 2016 12: 06
        +18
        Quote: Bongo
        The harm from such publications is colossal.


        Yes, here and without him a bunch of slogans and chants in the comments. A year ago, 2-3 back in the comments on BO, sometimes there was more information than in the articles. One could learn a lot of information, follow a reasoned polite dispute, and the quantity and quality of articles about the military-industrial complex was much more. Now the lion’s share is Ukraine, Indians, geyropes, stupid Nato, well, here are the opuses. The trend is not joyful to be honest.
        1. vadim dok
          vadim dok 4 July 2016 13: 10
          +4
          I completely agree with you !!! It’s only audible: Urya, and we all, etc.!
      2. xtur
        xtur 4 July 2016 14: 02
        +2
        > The harm from such publications is colossal.

        disprove his articles with other articles, if the topic
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 4 July 2016 14: 45
          +6
          Quote: xtur
          disprove his articles with other articles, if the topic

          We can say that I am only engaged in refuting the "hurray-patriotic" nonsense of the "Damantsevs".
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 4 July 2016 15: 13
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            We can say that I am only engaged in refuting the "hurray-patriotic" nonsense of the "Damantsevs".


            Your articles are one of the few that I read and read with pleasure. Thank you for your efforts in covering military issues.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 4 July 2016 15: 14
              +2
              Quote: Choi
              Your articles are one of the few that I read and read with pleasure. Thank you for your efforts in covering military issues.

              drinks
          2. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 4 July 2016 16: 34
            +6
            Quote: Bongo
            We can say that I am only engaged in refuting the "hurray-patriotic" nonsense of the "Damantsevs".

            You are fighting with the windmills Seryozha, it is impossible to defeat the Damantsevs. "Hurray-patriotic" nonsense will always find its grateful readers.
          3. xtur
            xtur 4 July 2016 17: 36
            +1
            > We can say that only I am engaged in refutation of "hurray-patriotic" nonsense "Damantsev".

            I don’t seem to miss a single article from the site, but Damantsev’s articles obviously come across to me more often.

            1. Tsoy
              Tsoy 4 July 2016 18: 29
              +2
              Quote: xtur
              Damentsev's articles are more likely to come across to me more often.


              Based on the notorious quality of the article and the verification of facts, objectivity, information content, etc. Article Damanceva scholarship. I do not want to offend the labor of a person at all, but the obvious disinformation of the readers does not go in addition to his karma. You can even give out fantasy stories every day, but for this there are easier resources. So the number in this case is not the best indicator.
            2. Bongo
              Bongo 5 July 2016 01: 26
              +4
              Quote: xtur
              I don’t seem to miss a single article from the site, but Damantsev’s articles obviously come across to me more often.

              This is because writing rubbish is much easier, if I wrote this, then later I would have to shoot myself while on duty from the personnel PM. In addition, I do not have much free time to write.
              Quote: xtur
              I’m not pushing you into anything, although I can’t keep silent that for people like me your point of view will be very useful, despite the fact that of course I don’t understand all the subtleties :-)

              You already decide either there or here. request Remember not so long ago you accused me of dislike for the homeland:
              Quote: xtur
              from my point of view, not a citizen of Russia, the article shows a dislike for the country. And any article on a military theme will be checked by readers on the topic of love for the motherland.

              Reality, and not the blissful picture that Channel 1 draws to us and the "Damantsevs" are not so pleasant for the "hurray-patriotic" part of readers ..
              1. xtur
                xtur 6 July 2016 14: 16
                0
                > This is because it is much easier to write nonsense

                I well know how much time it takes to write a good text / message / article, so I in no way blamed you - everyone has a main occupation and a free time limit that you can devote to, say, writing an article.

                > You really decide or here or there. request I remember not so long ago you accused me of dislike for my homeland:

                your memory is good, but like mine :-)



                but reading the opinions of literate people is simply necessary
    2. Leto
      Leto 4 July 2016 10: 33
      +8
      Quote: Choi
      In his articles under the first picture there is always a monstrous description

      And wild passion for abbreviations with which he sprinkles for the sake of ... looking smart?
  12. silver_roman
    silver_roman 4 July 2016 11: 21
    +12
    Self-defense of "Admiral Kuznetsov", built on the "Daggers", "Daggers" and AK-630, is equivalent to 5-7 nuclear aircraft carriers of the class "Nimitz"


    Neighing with this sentence wassat

    The author can indicate what is the radius of the Dagger SAM? Although Kuzya will take 100500 missiles, if they work for tens of kilometers, which is not enough, then there is not much sense.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 4 July 2016 12: 26
      +4
      Quote: silver_roman
      The author can indicate what is the radius of the Dagger SAM? Although Kuzya will take 100500 missiles, if they work for tens of kilometers, which is not enough, then there is not much sense.

      I think that "Kuznetsov" will have an escort.
      Ours in Syria - the end of June.

      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 4 July 2016 14: 59
        +2
        Only 1164 Atlas or 1144 Kirov can provide at least some sort of air defense. Within 100 km. on Varyag / Moscow and probably about 150 on Petra. On the rest, everything is the same as on Kuz: Daggers, Daggers, Wasps, etc. On cruisers are s-300F, but it seems like with the Central Command at 1144 better. Although I could be wrong everywhere up to 100 km.
        If 22350 "Gorshkov" with Polyment-Redoubt had been put in his escort, it would have been the case. But for now, alas. On trials.

        So all we can count on is the Su-33 in terms of air defense. Provided that the MiGs will iron the ISIS PMC. 29K / CUBE can also give heat through the air, but the radius will be smaller.
    2. vadim dok
      vadim dok 4 July 2016 13: 13
      +2
      In general, this is nonsense! Aircraft carrier with anti-ship weapons! For this there are destroyers and cruisers! Damn universality!
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 5 July 2016 11: 05
        +1
        This is not an aircraft carrier. A classic aircraft carrier is a means of attack, and the Soviet doctrine is defensive, like Russia. In addition, the introduction of a new type of ship, other than an aircraft carrier, is associated with the provision of the Montreux Convention on the complete ban on passage through the straits of aircraft carriers.

        So we have TAVKR, and not an aircraft carrier. There is no need for classical aircraft carriers - we do not need to project power in the oceans on a global scale, for Russia is a land power and we are not dependent on sea communications, such as the United States or Great Britain.
  13. yanus
    yanus 4 July 2016 12: 02
    +9
    Scare, of course, he will not scare anyone.
    But the pilots from the deck will work on the ground, any, but there will be skills.
    Most importantly, information will appear to analyze the performance of an aircraft carrier on the ground. Not the estimated information from another's experience, but information on the basis of the experience.
    Maybe the next avainino will not be a miracle Yudo fish, but something practical.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 4 July 2016 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: yanus
      It will not be a miracle Yudo fish, but something practical.


      Yep ...
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 4 July 2016 18: 15
      +1
      There will not be anything new. Nafig of Russia aircraft carriers are offensive weapons and the protection of maritime communications. Our doctrine is defensive, everything should be aimed at defense. As the GDP says, the answer is asymmetric. And you should get involved in the race, so the social program is bent.
  14. Kenneth
    Kenneth 4 July 2016 12: 20
    +1
    Ditching poor Kuzyu completely. And he will get up for repairs for five years. It's time by the way. The only plus in the Mediterranean is warm even in winter
  15. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 4 July 2016 12: 27
    +1
    An interesting question, if our "Kuznetsov" will stand in the territorial (12-mile zone) waters of Syria, then how to consider overflights, passages of US aircraft and ships of our ship? Or again, "let the partners fly"?
  16. red_october
    red_october 4 July 2016 12: 47
    +8
    The author insists that one Kuznetsov scares 2 American AUGs.
    And then he talks about the SAM "Dagger".
    Firstly, it is not the Dagger SAM that will scare you, but the S-300 on the cruiser covering it. It will be first "Peter the Great", and then "Marshal Ustinov" or "Varyag". I hope that all the same, "Marshal Ustinov will replace" Peter "and, apparently, will become the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet while" Moscow "is being modernized. And" Varyag "has been at sea since December.
    Secondly, "Kuznetsov" will cover the BOD, which will come with him from the Northern Fleet, and all our TFRs of the Black Sea Fleet, including those that have just arrived 11356.
    And the entire squadron will receive invaluable experience of interaction in conditions close to combat. The trolling of the Americans will no longer be "Yaroslav the Wise", but a company of such funny guys.
    Thirdly, I agree with the author, this is an invaluable practice for our pilots, especially taking into account the forthcoming modernization of the "Kuznetsov" and the forced separation from the deck. Well, they will work from the ground, patrol the skies in the north, maybe even a MiG-29k / cube and Su-33 will be transferred to Syria to control the eastern Mediterranean.
    Fourthly, the stay of the squadron off the coast of Syria is not only aimed at training our pilots and nourishing the Americans (who feel at home and take offense at our small TFR several times a day), but it is included in a larger game. Something in Syria is preparing ...
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 4 July 2016 13: 18
      +2
      Our calf wolf eat

      And in this case, two.
    2. Rokossovsky
      Rokossovsky 4 July 2016 16: 58
      +3
      Secondly, "Kuznetsov" will cover the BOD, which will come with him from the Northern Fleet

      Work hard and find good BOD in the Northern Fleet. You will be much surprised and dejected ... hi
    3. Ustinov 055 055
      Ustinov 055 055 25 July 2016 10: 35
      +2
      Quote: red_october
      It will be first "Peter the Great", and then "Marshal Ustinov"

      How long has Ustinov undergone a respected modernization so that Kuzyu can cover up ???
  17. gallville
    gallville 4 July 2016 12: 49
    +6
    Kuznetsov sunset no more than a flag demonstration. In Syria, the land VKS be healthy and the A-50 is being driven there.
    It is a pity only l / s and the ship 4 months of bullying.
    Kuznetsov himself in repair and modernization:
    - upgrade the engine;
    - change the cable;
    - new navigation equipment;
    - Replace the dirks and AK-630 with palm trees 1 to 1;
    - change the dagger to the redoubt cells, respectively, and put the cement;
    - instead of granites, also put redoubts.
    And there you look and finish the whole batch of instant-29k. And if you're lucky, then 1 more regiment will be ordered for rotation. And there will be quite an aircraft carrier imprisoned under the concept of a land power that is better not to bother.
    I wonder if there are plans for reanimation of the yak-44? Cooperate with the Indians and Chinese to wipe the hokayam’s nose. Or until the phased array on the A-100 is born, they won’t even think?
    1. vadim dok
      vadim dok 4 July 2016 13: 17
      +8
      It’s necessary to change the whole steam mechanics! The boilers are already breathing! And in general, an aircraft carrier without a nuclear reactor is a paradox!
      1. gallville
        gallville 4 July 2016 13: 27
        +2
        Quote: vadim dok
        It’s necessary to change the whole steam mechanics! The boilers are already breathing!

        Well, in St. Petersburg they produce it. Look for the Hindus all that was needed was released.
        Quote: vadim dok
        And in general, an aircraft carrier without a nuclear reactor is a paradox!

        So the carrier is springboard then why does he need a reactor? He doesn’t have a catapult which consumes a lot of energy. And the time spent at sea is still limited by crew fatigue and provisions.
        If the Yak-44E is reanimated in a modern version (composites for the hull and phased array), the nuclear engine will become a paradox.
        Estimated take-off length during take-off of the Yak-44E from the springboard was 150-200 m

        http://www.airwar.ru/enc/spy/yak44.html
  18. denchik1977
    denchik1977 4 July 2016 13: 36
    +1
    The transfer of the Admiral of the Fleet Kuznetsov heavy aircraft carrier to the Eastern Mediterranean region is not only justified in terms of supporting the Russian Aerospace Forces operation in Syria, it should also sufficiently "cool" the too hot heads of US Navy admirals and Pentagon strategists. At the same time, the presence of "Admiral Kuznetsov" should provide, albeit temporary, but still cover the area of ​​the Black Sea straits and the Black Sea from the forces of the US 6th Fleet. Despite the fact that the plans of the Russian Ministry of Defense include setting up "Admiral Kuznetsov" for deep modernization, upon completion of which and the creation of the necessary coastal infrastructure, the Black Sea Fleet could well become its further place of service, if the program of building new aircraft carriers of Project 23000 "Storm" will be fully implemented in a fairly short time. In addition, the transfer of "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the Black Sea is supported by the fact that, as before the start of the Great Patriotic War, for modern Russia the South-West strategic direction plays a huge and significant role in the defense capability of our country.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 4 July 2016 16: 14
      +1
      Yeah. Lock his sickness behind the straits and repair at the wretched Sevastopol plant
      And all in order to scare Bulgarians with Romanians.
  19. maks007
    maks007 4 July 2016 13: 48
    +2
    Quote: Leto

    In the Mediterranean Sea there are two aircraft carriers of the US Navy, how will Kuznetsov at 6 nodes with 15 aircraft interfere with them?

    These two think there is where to unfold with their environment in this sea, and the desire to be with Kuznetsov next will diminish the desire. Same
    .... two US aircraft carriers appeared in the Mediterranean at once - "Dwight Eisenhower" and "Harry Truman", .... that "Harry Truman" is taking part in the anti-terrorist military operation against the militants of the "Islamic State" (the group is banned in the Russian Federation) in Syria and Iraq.
    It is expected that "Harry Truman" after a long campaign will soon return to base in the United States.

    You also do not take into account the place where the given US aircraft carrier (or two of them) should be located, taking into account the range of the US carrier-based aviation, i.e. must be at a certain distance. If there are reasons (for example, coastal complexes of the Bastion in Syria and not only that), they are forced to reckon with this, i.e. move this zone away, while the presence of an additional Kuznetsov’s ship in a certain place of the Mediterranean Sea (the range of carrier-based aviation is also taken into account) forces US aircraft carriers to move away.
    Also, if you count everything that the Russian Aerospace Forces have in Syria, plus the planes of Syria itself, plus Kuznetsov's planes, then I think there will be parity.
  20. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 17: 09
    0
    Quote: maks007
    Quote: Leto

    In the Mediterranean Sea there are two aircraft carriers of the US Navy, how will Kuznetsov at 6 nodes with 15 aircraft interfere with them?

    These two think there is where to unfold with their environment in this sea, and the desire to be with Kuznetsov next will diminish the desire. Same
    .... two US aircraft carriers appeared in the Mediterranean at once - "Dwight Eisenhower" and "Harry Truman", .... that "Harry Truman" is taking part in the anti-terrorist military operation against the militants of the "Islamic State" (the group is banned in the Russian Federation) in Syria and Iraq.
    It is expected that "Harry Truman" after a long campaign will soon return to base in the United States.

    You also do not take into account the place where the given US aircraft carrier (or two of them) should be located, taking into account the range of the US carrier-based aviation, i.e. must be at a certain distance. If there are reasons (for example, coastal complexes of the Bastion in Syria and not only that), they are forced to reckon with this, i.e. move this zone away, while the presence of an additional Kuznetsov’s ship in a certain place of the Mediterranean Sea (the range of carrier-based aviation is also taken into account) forces US aircraft carriers to move away.
    Also, if you count everything that the Russian Aerospace Forces have in Syria, plus the planes of Syria itself, plus Kuznetsov's planes, then I think there will be parity.

    As if, all our submarines Anglo-Saxons caught and reported! laughing laughing laughing
    And they forgot about the Caspian "C grade"! fellow
  21. Yak28
    Yak28 4 July 2016 17: 46
    +1
    The main thing is that the US aircraft carriers would not come close to ours, otherwise the Admiral Kuznetsov would seem flawed in comparison with them. wink
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 July 2016 22: 48
      +4
      What aircraft carriers! There, one patrol ship "Wise", two AUG trolls in black.
  22. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 4 July 2016 19: 29
    +2
    And what is there in the Mediterranean to do to Kuznetsov? Be a "bone in your throat"? A target? Only for the sake of training and for the crew to "warm up" in the southern seas ... But the fact itself is gratifying.
  23. red_october
    red_october 4 July 2016 20: 29
    +3
    Quote: Rokossovsky
    Secondly, "Kuznetsov" will cover the BOD, which will come with him from the Northern Fleet

    Work hard and find good BOD in the Northern Fleet. You will be much surprised and dejected ... hi


    I believe that with the "Kuznetsov" to the shores of Syria will go BOD pr. 1155 "Severomorsk".

    But the situation with serviceable surface ships on the SF is really depressing, I can not agree ...
  24. Lucy
    Lucy 4 July 2016 21: 13
    +4
    again Author Evgeny Damantsev!

    Well, Eugene Zorbat! .....The tasks of the 279-th separate shipboard fighter air regiment (OKIAP) based on the twice Hero of the Soviet Union Boris Safonov based on board the Admiral Kuznetsov will include the launching of bombing attacks on the military-technical, training and production infrastructures of the IG in the central and eastern provinces of the ATS and therefore it was initially reported that the flagship would stop in the immediate vicinity of the coastline so that the combat radius of the carrier-based aircraft confidently reached the necessary boundaries for the use of air angling. Of course, the skills that an aircraft carrier crew must acquire and the flight crew of the 279 OCIAP cannot be called a full-fledged “baptism of fire”, since it’s not necessary to fight back the “star raids” of an anti-aircraft missile carrier, nor will the need for deck aircraft to conduct air combat with the enemy, which has no aviation, but the atmosphere and the radio-electronic situation will seriously resemble the military conflict between Russia and NATO.
    Eugene get the KBP on the Su-33 in 279 okiap and read what exercises on the ground work out and than the l / s of the 279th regiment.
    What rocket attacks? What a baptism. Without a navigator, on the Su-33 beyond the radar of the ship’s field, even the GSS, test pilots scored flying!
    Kuznetsov more than a mixed squadron (Su-33, Su-25utg) never planted.
    Eugene Su-27k on the deck of Kuznetsov, it's like BeLaz on a two-lane road! The take-off intervals of the first three links (units) exist only on paper. The dry company dragged the Su-27k, and there the grass does not grow!

    The aircraft carrier itself is technically a barge both from the point of view of the aircraft and the sea!
    It can only be used in FSN for training take-off and landing of single crews during the day.
    Was in the 279th regiment of l-to the virtuoso of NSh Savitsky on landing on a ship with a rack break, as he saw on Wednesday. the rear of the sea is a pair of Israeli Air Force F-16s in the mirrors, and not on the command center with the Yak-44RLD, or KP.

    I do not remember what the name of the aircraft carrier APN is (I don’t remember the analogue of the land ALLOY), there are RM operators for removing the height, only there is no height! Eugene take an interest in how the aircraft carrier is and with what accuracy the third coordinate (height) of the VTs is determined. And then imagine how the pilot should drive a mirror at ORE so that at least with P = 0.5 try to detect the VTs using information of the same range.
    There are a lot of blunders in the organization of control, b / control of aircraft on this ship, thanks to the wretchedness of the equipment.
    Well, what kind of miracle is the fuel oil EU on the ship, the sailors will explain. They are delighted with her.

    Ie the appearance of "Kuznetsov" on Wednesday. sea, another show-off and money down the drain!
    1. Glad
      Glad 6 July 2016 15: 40
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      Quote: lusya
      Ie the appearance of "Kuznetsov" on Wednesday. sea, another show-off and money down the drain!

      Money down the drain is when our St. Petersburg governor Poltavchenko stops public transport at 5 (five million seven hundred thousand) rubles apiece (and you need about 700 of them in the city). And he is not shy about voicing such sums on his blue eye. Wow - money down the drain.
      And the "Kuzi" trip to Mediterranean is just a waste of money with benefit.
  25. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 July 2016 21: 52
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    Here the goal is simple, to control the air defense zone over the Mediterranean Sea due to the approach of the USA AUG. This Su-33 will do a great job. This will help the work of the S-400 at the base in Latakia since move the detection radar zone. I think for Mig-29K and KUB it will be a battle test and advertising. Fighters of this class have not been used by us, and even more so on the ground.
  26. Lucy
    Lucy 4 July 2016 22: 31
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    - I am interested in military subjects, reserve officer (jacket), graduated from the Polytechnic. Anti-tank battery commander (MT-12)

    Here the goal is simple, to control the air defense zone over the Mediterranean Sea due to the approach of the USA AUG. This Su-33 will do a great job. This will help the work of the S-400 at the base in Latakia since move the detection radar zone. I think for Mig-29K and KUB it will be a battle test and advertising. Fighters of this class have not been used by us, and even more so on the ground.

    laughing
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 July 2016 21: 51
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      Lucy, an officer of the Russian Federation thinks globally!
  27. Titsen
    Titsen 4 July 2016 22: 56
    +2
    Quote: Egor69
    at least to solve the main problem of the country, a sharp increase in fertility

    And you yourself, as a citizen of Russia, have attached anything to this except criticism?
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 5 July 2016 22: 34
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      Quote: Titsen
      And you yourself, as a citizen of Russia, have attached anything to this except criticism?

      We have a BOLT long tonsils laughing laughing
  28. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 23: 46
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Here the goal is simple, to control the air defense zone over the Mediterranean Sea due to the approach of the USA AUG. This Su-33 will do a great job. This will help the work of the S-400 at the base in Latakia since move the detection radar zone. I think for Mig-29K and KUB it will be a battle test and advertising. Fighters of this class have not been used by us, and even more so on the ground.

    I agree that this is completely nonsense!
    Sorry, you yourself wrote that a freeloader (jacket)! Why globalize ???! request
    (to you, minus, Lucy- +)
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 July 2016 21: 55
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      Foul, anyone can. Parry or don't criticize. You are like a grandmother, she does not have sex herself, but she criticizes the granddaughter ....
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  29. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 4 July 2016 23: 57
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    Quote: maks007
    Quote: Leto

    In the Mediterranean Sea there are two aircraft carriers of the US Navy, how will Kuznetsov at 6 nodes with 15 aircraft interfere with them?

    These two think there is where to unfold with their environment in this sea, and the desire to be with Kuznetsov next will diminish the desire. Same
    .... two US aircraft carriers appeared in the Mediterranean at once - "Dwight Eisenhower" and "Harry Truman", .... that "Harry Truman" is taking part in the anti-terrorist military operation against the militants of the "Islamic State" (the group is banned in the Russian Federation) in Syria and Iraq.
    It is expected that "Harry Truman" after a long campaign will soon return to base in the United States.

    You also do not take into account the place where the given US aircraft carrier (or two of them) should be located, taking into account the range of the US carrier-based aviation, i.e. must be at a certain distance. If there are reasons (for example, coastal complexes of the Bastion in Syria and not only that), they are forced to reckon with this, i.e. move this zone away, while the presence of an additional Kuznetsov’s ship in a certain place of the Mediterranean Sea (the range of carrier-based aviation is also taken into account) forces US aircraft carriers to move away.
    Also, if you count everything that the Russian Aerospace Forces have in Syria, plus the planes of Syria itself, plus Kuznetsov's planes, then I think there will be parity.

    IMHO. Purely accounting calculation !!! laughing
    To begin with, at least in the internet, take an interest in the focus of aircraft carriers and their theater of action!
    Rude punds in the Mediterranean, does not change the tasks of AUG, they themselves understood this !!!
    PS. By the wayvoyaka uh, very successfully joked, as the Wise UNPROFESSIONALLY troll, hot-vodka-enemy-tov-pli !!! laughing
  30. surrozh
    surrozh 5 July 2016 05: 26
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    They run in before modernization - they will see what to install, what to remove. Yes, and invaluable experience for the future will come in handy for the same fight against AUG or building your own AB.
  31. kav669
    kav669 5 July 2016 10: 09
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    Beautiful ship, let it be a bone for the USA
  32. maks007
    maks007 5 July 2016 12: 35
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    Quote: Cosmonaut

    IMHO. Purely accounting calculation !!! laughing
    To begin with, at least in the internet, take an interest in the focus of aircraft carriers and their theater of action!
    Rude punds in the Mediterranean, does not change the tasks of AUG, they themselves understood this !!!

    What are you talking about, the fact that they sent the United States there - that was understandable why.
    And what should I find on the Internet about the focus of aircraft carriers and their theater of action, or what we have and what we want at the moment from the presence of these ships. I’ll clarify the present, not the theater.
    At first, if it’s about Kuznetsov, then it’s not the first time he’s going to the Mediterranean Sea, and not the second time.
  33. androv
    androv 5 July 2016 13: 58
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    Quote: Egor69
    And for what? In Russia, 35 percent of all world wealth is concentrated. Which we can’t properly master, at least to solve the main problem of the country, a sharp increase in the birth rate))). Well, yes, and the oceans are very relevant. Only, soon a healthy young population will not (and educated), what would go on such ships))

    You, my dear, wouldn’t be sitting here on the sites, and not trending men, but would go to rivet the children and raise them to educate. all would be more sense.
  34. red_october
    red_october 10 July 2016 23: 47
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    Quote: Magic Archer
    Not so long ago there was news that Kuznetsov would soon be upgrading. Interestingly, will Granite be replaced by Caliber or Zircon? Then the combat capabilities will increase at times! Still a full-fledged AWACS plane, after all, the helicopter does not have such tactical mobility


    "Granite" has not been there for a long time, it was dismantled. ... "Kuznetsov" concentrates exclusively on aircraft carrier functions, possessing two air regiments of the Su-33 and MiG-29, plus helicopters, including the Ka-52k, which will be tested in the nearest BS
  35. ked60
    ked60 11 July 2016 15: 34
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    We can frighten only in one case. If this old trough approaches the shores of the United States, all "swan" scrap metal from a small Volga town will land on it. And in front of the fucking Americans, the team will open the Kingston. During the war, the villages raised funds for tanks and aircraft. If the military industrial complex has no money, ask ordinary people (not those who have yachts, football and basketball clubs, private planes) for donations for a modern aircraft carrier - believe me, we will give.
  36. bush9999
    bush9999 26 July 2016 18: 12
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    Dear Evgeny Damantsev, how to understand the phrase in your article: "MiG-29K and more advanced MiG-29KUB (generation" 4 + / 4 ++ ""? These are two versions of the same machine - MiG 29K, and the abbreviation KUB means "Ship Training Combat" and differs only in a two-seater cabin.
  37. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 26 September 2016 09: 17
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    Good luck "Admiral Kuznetsov"! How much "concern" it will cause our "partners" .........
  38. kig
    kig 26 September 2016 09: 28
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    Not even funny. "Kuznetsov" goes there not to control half of the sea (with a non-flown air group of 30 aircraft), but to train. If they recruit pilots, build airplanes, build aircraft carriers - then we will control. And now, for now, study and study.
  39. Oleg Kuznetsov
    Oleg Kuznetsov 7 October 2016 13: 10
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    He is old. And the weapons of his time. It would be better if the money that was spent on the campaign was spent on its rearmament and modernization. He needs to change the power plant: put the reactor instead of an unreliable boiler-turbine power plant. How many times his tugboat dragged. And then it’s not a carrier cruiser, but a self-propelled aircraft carrier barge with a tug. New radars, control system, anti-aircraft and missile system update. The wing finally finally collect, attack helicopters add, once in the coastal zone of barmaley will drive. Ideally, if the reactor is installed, it would be nice to equip the steam catapult, so that it would be possible to dry and instantly fully refuel and start up with a full combat load. And then the author of the article writes that on MIGs hang tanks are hanging to increase the radius of action. So with a full combat load and hanging tanks, the MIGs simply cannot take off from it - the take-off run is not enough.