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In the US Navy again drew attention to the threat posed by Russian submarines

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The US Navy and the combined NATO fleet believe that the new Russian submarines with their missile systems are the most formidable weapons Russia, writes The National Interest, citing the opinion of Vice-Admiral James Foggo, who led the NATO naval maneuvers as part of the Baltops-2016 exercise. Article leads RIA News.




“Russians build some invisible diesel-electric submarines and place them around the perimeter of the (European) theater,” said Foggo.

He paid special attention to project 885 Ash. “This is a very impressive submarine. If you look closely at the structure of the Russian fleetwhere research and engineering resources have been thrown, it will be noticeable that the bulk of the effort is directed to the development of underwater capacities, ”the admiral noted.

Foggo agreed with his adviser, analyst at the Center for Analysis of the Naval Forces, Elerik Fritz. According to him, “Russian submarines are one of the most dangerous threats among all that the US Navy could face on Earth,” he said.

Nevertheless, both of them are confident that "despite the modernization of the submarine fleet, the West retains an asymmetric advantage in armaments over Russia." Although, they admit, “this advantage can quickly melt away if the pace of development of Russian submarines outstrips the speed of improvement of Western anti-submarine weapons.”

“We cannot allow this to happen, therefore (we) should continue to develop in order to gain technological advantage for our vessels, to make them more invisible and more powerful. If we want to continue containment (Russia), we will have to respond to these challenges, ”Foggo said.

The Americans consider the Russian threat integrated - “the mentioned submarines are included in the air defense system of the Northern Fleet, which also uses C-400 anti-ship systems, anti-ship cruise missiles and coastal missile systems Bastion,” explains the author of the article.

"These and other types of weapons are included in the so-called A2 / AD bubble (restricting and blocking access), which complicates maneuvering in the region to the alliance," the admiral added.

At the same time, Foggo and his adviser stressed that "the current situation is not a repetition of the Cold War, and Russia does not pose a threat to the existence of the West."

“We are interested in involving Russia in the European order. This is a balance, not a war, ”Fritz summed up.
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  1. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 2 July 2016 09: 57
    +10
    It's funny that they involve Russia in the "European order" - missile defense, NATO, sanctions, propagandophilia.
    laughing
    1. DMB3000
      DMB3000 2 July 2016 10: 08
      0
      They are the coolest. How can they be afraid? Let them stock up on paper.
      1. Monos
        Monos 2 July 2016 10: 34
        +13
        I’m at a loss: what to call someone who strives for military parity with a “regional gas station country”?
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 2 July 2016 11: 19
          +12
          "These submarines are part of the air defense system of the Northern Fleet, which also uses S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, anti-ship cruise missiles and Bastion coastal missile systems," the author of the article explains.
          author -> author -> author clearly smoked something.
          1. poquello
            poquello 2 July 2016 11: 29
            +4
            Quote: lelikas
            "These submarines are part of the air defense system of the Northern Fleet, which also uses S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, anti-ship cruise missiles and Bastion coastal missile systems," the author of the article explains.

            it is difficult to approach their carrier dish to Russia, Russian submarines
        2. Gormenghast
          Gormenghast 2 July 2016 13: 47
          0
          To military parity with ISIS and the Ebola virus. laughing
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 2 July 2016 19: 22
          +1
          Quote: Monos
          I’m at a loss: what to call someone who strives for military parity with a “regional gas station country”?

          His name is Glavnigr lol
      2. poquello
        poquello 2 July 2016 10: 51
        0
        Quote: DMB3000
        They are the coolest. How can they be afraid? Let them stock up on paper.

        so our submarines interfere with their dancer
      3. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 3 July 2016 10: 27
        0
        Foggo agreed with his adviser, analyst at the Center for Analysis of the Naval Forces, Elerik Fritz. According to him, “Russian submarines are one of the most dangerous threats among all that the US Navy could face on Earth,” he said.

        You’ve forgotten about the construction battalion, they’re animals in general, they don’t even give out weapons to them .. laughing
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 2 July 2016 10: 13
      +1
      It is clear that a military submarine is not a fishing seiner, why be afraid? You might think that their fleet consists of rafts and boats. laughing
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 2 July 2016 10: 20
        +6
        Piss "voiny" from NATO, it's not for you to bomb aborigines with impunity and not to shoot old people with children with cruise missiles, you can get a dirty boot in the face so much .... that then no grandmother will whisper !!!
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 2 July 2016 10: 30
          +2
          Quote: Bone
          Piss "warriors"

          Why should they piss? They are sitting in a puddle. But the Europeans are forced to fight, and here they are shoving their shit under our borders, under the deafening cannonades of farts of European politicians.
        2. Smoke
          Smoke 2 July 2016 10: 59
          +12
          Do you see the groundhog? No? And I can't see. And he is there ....))
      2. Don
        Don 2 July 2016 10: 25
        0
        That's right, all this imaginary threat from the east for NATO is a propaganda move to rally the ranks among the members, and most importantly - to achieve an increase in the defense budget. We would keep our borders intact in the coming years 15, and not dream of palm Hawaiian shores.
        1. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 2 July 2016 13: 00
          0
          Quote: Donskoy
          That's it, all this imaginary threat from the east for NATO is a propaganda move to rally ranks among members

          What are the supposed members of NATO? Already the whole European coalition does not believe the modern concept of NATO, we, Russia, have not proved, we are not AGGRESSORS!
          And if our ships are in the middle-earth, what should they not be there? The balance of power. We are not threatening you, but you are us.
          There is a reaction to every action.
          We were scared of our Boats, guys, we don’t have to wave our fists at a distance, and then cry into a waistcoat, mother our mother, the Russians blew us again.
          And we blew and we will blow !!!!
    4. RUS96
      RUS96 2 July 2016 10: 14
      +5
      Not about submarines .. but about the Navy.
    5. joopel
      joopel 2 July 2016 10: 23
      +9
      If anyone noticed, their fleet is aging, ours is getting younger. Each of our brand new submarines is a golden carnation in their pine coffin.
      1. Don
        Don 2 July 2016 10: 35
        -6
        Yes, yes, yes, we, too, have long heard this song "Your America will soon be kirdyk", and their fathers told them. Yes, just something all the way. Something tells me that our grandchildren will also wisely repeat these words and prove them on their fingers.
        1. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 2 July 2016 11: 05
          +4
          better would be the continuity of generations than the nightmare of the nuclear armageddon in the 3rd world ...
        2. joopel
          joopel 2 July 2016 11: 56
          +3
          Nobody forces you to listen to unpleasant things for you. There is always an alternative, dumped over a hill, and here you have sweet tunes. As an option. You can not build anything and be silent in a rag, then you will be delighted? Or will you still bother claiming originality?
        3. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 2 July 2016 13: 08
          +2
          Quote: Donskoy
          Yes, just something all in any way.

          It is necessary to do with your hands and not bend your fingers. Teach your child to protect you, mother, and everyone else, and not to sit in Mac. Did you serve yourself?
        4. kolobok63
          kolobok63 2 July 2016 17: 00
          +1
          Change Ava, ashamed! hi
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        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 2 July 2016 11: 39
          0
          Recently, Rogozin said that there would be no more orders for submarines, and the factories needed to redeploy to civilian ships. But Russia is not France and not Great Britain where 7 multipurpose submarines are enough (at least 16 would be built, 8 each for the Northern and Pacific fleets). I understand that old submarines will be repaired, but they also have a resource that is not infinite, they are already 25 years on average. After 10 years, only titanium submarines will remain and 7 Ash-trees, that's all. And if you take into account all sorts of repairs, the submarines capable of military campaigns and even less will remain.
          Pike-B, as of the beginning of 2016, 4 project submarines are combat-ready; 3 - on the SF and one - on the TF, the rest - on repair or conservation.
          Antey, in the ranks of 5 submarines only.
          The same can be said about Boreas, only 8 submarines were ordered, in the course of time 667BDRM Dolphin will be decommissioned, and only 8 Boreev will remain, taking into account any repairs and upgrades, there will be even less combat worthiness. At least to 10-12 would increase the series.
          1. joopel
            joopel 2 July 2016 12: 03
            +3
            Rogozin said? And who is Rogozin? A note-teller, a marketer, who successfully landed near the bins of his homeland and son, also nagged there. What does he decide? What could he decide in the east? NOTHING GO !!! Zero without a stick, the boy on the premises.
          2. poquello
            poquello 2 July 2016 12: 21
            +2
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            At least to 10-12 would increase the series.

            technology is improving faster than manufactured
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 5 July 2016 22: 40
              0
              Quote: poquello
              technology is improving faster than manufactured

              So it makes it difficult to produce submarines like the USA in sub-series, for example 3 sub-series, then a new sub-series, etc.
      3. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 2 July 2016 12: 01
        +1
        Quote: joopel
        Each of our brand new submarines is a golden carnation in their pine coffin.

        Well, they are putting into operation a new submarine every year, already 12 Virginia. And we are the second submarine of the Ash project, Kazan, we have been building for 7 years (it was laid down in 2009).
        1. joopel
          joopel 2 July 2016 12: 33
          +2
          You see, dragging the lintant, we have different military doctrines, and different military budgets. You have to be more careful. Russia is not going to control the whole world, unlike some. Enough for containment. We still need to invest money in many useful things. Moreover, the money earned by the labor of our people, and not by the money spent around the world.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 3 July 2016 12: 09
            0
            Quote: joopel
            You see, dragging the lintant, we have different military doctrines, and different military budgets. You have to be more careful.

            Different budgets, but not to the same extent, no one offers to build a series of more than 30 submarines in pursuit of the Americans, but 7 is very small.
            Quote: joopel
            Russia is not going to control the whole world, unlike some.

            And who was talking about control? Should there be enough submarines, what are you going to restrain if, for example, after 10 years there are 7 ash and 4 Barracudas left? Of which 5 submarines will be under repair? 6 submarines in the 2nd fleet you have a lot of people to hold back?
            Quote: joopel
            Moreover, the money earned by the labor of our people, and not by the money spent around the world.

            Exactly, you understand that a small number of submarines are as useless and wasteful as a large one? A lot of submarines are not expedient and a lot of money is needed, and a few submarines are not expedient due to the fact that a small number still costs quite a lot of money and at the same time cannot solve the necessary problems in a sufficient amount.

            And following your logic, fewer submarines will be enough for us to contain than now. After all, now we have Pike-B, Antei, Barracuda, a couple of RTM submarines. And after a few years, the 4th Barracudas and 7 Ash-trees will remain and you say that we will have much less than what we have now?
            1. joopel
              joopel 3 July 2016 17: 18
              0
              Comrade Lieutenant, I’ll tell you an indecent figurative comparison, don’t take it personally, are you able to distinguish between a dupole and a finger? Over the past hundred years, Russia has suffered three bloody wars and two bloodless revolutions. During these hundred years, Russia was destroyed almost completely three times and also rose from the ashes three times. Pin.do.sa all this time sweetly guzzled and set us on a scum bastard, earning loot on our blood. We have different weight categories, for now. But Russia, as always, is quickly recovering its power. We would have lived a hundred years without a war, and all these world pin.do.sa.s before us would be dwarfs.
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 5 July 2016 22: 37
                0
                Quote: joopel
                Comrade Lieutenant, I’ll tell you an indecent figurative comparison, don’t take it personally, are you able to distinguish between a dupole and a finger? Over the past hundred years, Russia has suffered three bloody wars and two bloodless revolutions. During these hundred years, Russia was destroyed almost completely three times and also rose from the ashes three times. Pin.do.sa all this time sweetly guzzled and set us on a scum bastard, earning loot on our blood. We have different weight categories, for now. But Russia, as always, is quickly recovering its power. We would have lived a hundred years without a war, and all these world pin.do.sa.s before us would be dwarfs.

                So if there is no money, then where are the plans for the production of 50 attention !!! Tu-160M2 + PAKDA bombers are going to resume production of the MiG-31, build a series of very expensive destroyers of the Leader project, and even plan to build aircraft carriers.
                And there’s no money to order 8 more submarines of the Yasen-M project ... The point is to build the 50 and Tu-160M2 when it is concealed by several times the nuclear submarine, and you can use the Su-101 to launch X-102/34 missiles (2- e missiles are suspended on pylons under the engine nacelles), they also seem to be going to upgrade a rocket to launch from a submarine from under water, again, Yaseni-M will not be superfluous.
        2. Tektor
          Tektor 2 July 2016 12: 42
          +2
          By the way, it's not a bad thing that Kazan was delayed: there is a hope that it will no longer have to be modernized for Zircon. And our vital interest is that at the right time there would be at least 3 undetected (!) Submarines with the Zircon cruise missile on board off the coast of the states with a flight time of less than 5 minutes to the sensitive zones of the states. In other words, we must have at least 12 PL - carriers of Zircon. Then we will equalize the chances with their alleged missile defense in Romania and Poland. That is, we still have time until 2020 ... Kazan should become part of the Navy in 2017, but Novosibirsk and Krasnoyarsk should be rushed to join the Navy in 2019. Plus the modernized 949 Chelyabinsk, I think. This will be a "weighty" argument.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 3 July 2016 12: 14
            0
            Quote: Tektor
            By the way, it's not a bad thing that Kazan was delayed: there is a hope that it will no longer have to be modernized for Zircon. And our vital interest is that at the right time there would be at least 3 undetected (!) Submarines with the Zircon cruise missile on board off the coast of the states with a flight time of less than 5 minutes to the sensitive zones of the states. In other words, we must have at least 12 PL - carriers of Zircon. Then we will equalize the chances with their alleged missile defense in Romania and Poland. That is, we still have time until 2020 ... Kazan should become part of the Navy in 2017, but Novosibirsk and Krasnoyarsk should be rushed to join the Navy in 2019. Plus the modernized 949 Chelyabinsk, I think. This will be a "weighty" argument.

            The main plus of Asheny is that there the nuclear reactor’s life is enough for the entire life cycle of the submarine, which is about 30 years, which means the submarine does not need to be removed from the Navy for 2 years in order to replace nuclear fuel. And this is an increase in combat efficiency.
        3. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 2 July 2016 13: 46
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Well, they are putting into operation a new submarine every year, already 12 Virginia.

          Fighter, look what this Virginia shit is? We smoked it the same way as "Ohio". Zazir 911 RTM, and compare the characteristics. I'm not from the couch, I know everything for a penny.

          wink
  2. Abbra
    Abbra 2 July 2016 09: 58
    +10
    When the enemy begins to praise you, it’s just right to beware ...
    1. joopel
      joopel 2 July 2016 10: 26
      +8
      You know, in fact, they have no time for praise, they are confused, bewildered. In the nineties, rested on their laurels and suddenly, a pin in the ass. Shock and Awe! This is our sacred, this is the soul, they have holiness in the ass.
      1. Don
        Don 2 July 2016 10: 40
        -10%
        And you surely didn’t take a little writer in the morning? One more sign and in general with caps you will throw all our sworn friends.
        1. joopel
          joopel 2 July 2016 12: 06
          0
          You obviously already clung to disgrace, noticeably. Carefully run up. I’m not souring in the morning. Maybe I would have picked up, but a lot of work. I do not like to work with bukhim.
        2. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 2 July 2016 13: 38
          +1
          Quote: Donskoy
          In general, with caps you will throw all our sworn friends.

          ALL OF YOURS? Normal is normal. RUSSIA has only envious people, this is historically complicated, but everyone weighed the pill. DON'T MAKE IT!
          1. joopel
            joopel 2 July 2016 13: 55
            0
            Be careful with this Don. Quickly spoiled and cowardly squandered. Coward Tipus.
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 2 July 2016 10: 31
      +7
      Quote: Abbra
      When the enemy begins to praise you, it’s just right to beware ...

      Rearm as soon as possible.
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 2 July 2016 10: 00
    +14
    "invisible diesel-electric submarines"
    "advantages for our ships, to make them invisible"

    For the fifth year, the fleets of NATO and Russia could not find each other in the ocean ... laughing

    "" These submarines are part of the air defense system of the Northern Fleet, which also uses S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, anti-ship cruise missiles and Bastion coastal missile systems, "explains the author of the article.

    Oh how! Well done, the author, explained that our submarines, it turns out, together with the "Bastions" are air defense weapons.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 July 2016 10: 14
      +14
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Well done, the author, explained that our submarines, it turns out, together with the "Bastions" are air defense weapons.

      Fritz simply clumsily expressed his idea (or ours translated it like that - they can!) That the Yasens can sink KRBD carriers with high efficiency, deliver strikes with their KRBDs at NATO airfields, MRBM basing areas, etc.
      This is from the same series as "The best air defense - our tanks on enemy airfields."
      Yours faithfully, hi
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 2 July 2016 10: 17
        +2
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        "The best air defense - our tanks on enemy airfields"

        Ahhh, from that point of view, yes. what
    2. Abbra
      Abbra 2 July 2016 10: 33
      +1
      And I insist that the author, or translator, is right. If you rocket a missile from a submarine at the NATO airfield, then this will be the most effective air defense wassat
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 2 July 2016 10: 40
        +2
        Quote: Abbra
        will be the most effective air defense

        The most effective air defense is the Strategic Missile Forces. yes
  4. Altona
    Altona 2 July 2016 10: 02
    +4
    The American admirals and vice admirals were already fucking. Where is the Baltic and where is the USA? We definitely need to establish military bases in Nicaragua and Cuba so that they can clearly see what threat they pose to us.
    1. hirurg
      hirurg 2 July 2016 10: 14
      0
      Still boats and faster.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 2 July 2016 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Precisely necessary in Nicaragua and in Cuba military bases do,


      This Cuba has probably hiccuped and stuttered by the desires of VO visitors to place our bases on it ...

      What, without asking her wishes herself ...

      And somehow they don’t take into account that even in the best years of our relations, only Fidel restrained Raul, gravitating towards a peaceful resolution of all issues with the United States ... He is still alive (in fact, barely alive), restrains Raul, although he is already taking the first steps towards a truce with the United States ...

      Fidel will die - it is likely that they can give us a turn from the gates in Cuba ...

      No matter how unpleasant, but this is quite possible ... And, most likely, it will be so ...
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 2 July 2016 14: 01
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        No matter how unpleasant, but this is quite possible ... And, most likely, it will be so ...

        Reply
        quote


        Where the US tentacles launched-wait a mess!
    3. grandson of the hero
      grandson of the hero 2 July 2016 15: 19
      0
      Thanks for the advice. We are already working and not only in the territories indicated by you. Read the press, very much in the public domain.
  5. vnedra
    vnedra 2 July 2016 10: 04
    0
    "This is balance, not war" - well, well
  6. figwam
    figwam 2 July 2016 10: 07
    0
    “We are interested in involving Russia in the European order. This is a balance, not a war, ”Fritz summed up.

    Already not one Chuvachak tried to intensively involve us in the new European lock, but somehow rudely and not peacefully.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 July 2016 10: 12
    +6
    Enemies praise - asking for money. On a new weapon. The military is preparing for a new war - they have such a job. Let them spend a lot of money - politics.
    And our boats must be the best. Because there are fewer of them, and around - not all NATOs and star-striped are measured. And all must be drowned in time and in good quality when the time comes am
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 July 2016 10: 18
    -2
    The Russians are building a number of invisible diesel-electric submarines and placing them around the perimeter of the (European) theater

    They cried for themselves in a vest to increase the military budget and simultaneously scared Europe again. You give 2% of GDP to NATO, and those who are not yet with us, then it's time for us to join NATO.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 2 July 2016 14: 19
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      and those who are not yet with us, then it's time for us to join NATO.

      Why scare Europe? And so already scared, you have to live your brains, an uncle from overseas terrified, to see a video recorder and a selfie hurt him, well, here you have the effect, missile defense on our borders, and all those who licked our hand, the world patriots began to add a flag to the state, and began to bark louder than the owners!
      But as the saying goes, "EVERYTHING WILL RETURN TO CIRCLE"
  9. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 2 July 2016 10: 22
    0
    Well, about the "Ash" they already know, then what other boats still go off the coast of Finland and the Baltic states? Are they really super duper, or is it just known that someone is walking?
  10. weksha50
    weksha50 2 July 2016 10: 24
    0
    "" The Russians build a number of invisible diesel-electric submarines and deploy them around the perimeter of the (European) theatera, "said Foggo" ...

    Yeah ... Without thinking, I confirmed the defensive nature of the deployment of our diesel-electric submarines ...

    But THIS I did not understand:

    "“The mentioned submarines are part of the air defense system Northern Fleet, which also uses S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, anti-ship cruise missiles and Bastion coastal missile systems "...

    What does it mean ??? How is it that they can destroy Amer’s warships approaching our territorial waters in order to launch a missile strike ??? So it is - God himself ordered our submariners and the fleet ...

    "They are entering the air defense system" ... Well ...
  11. sabakina
    sabakina 2 July 2016 10: 33
    +1
    West retains asymmetric arms advantage over Russia

    “Asymmetric response” is a term first used by Mikhail Gorbachev after the United States announced its strategic defense initiative program.
    What actually stood behind the “asymmetric response” was unknown for a long time because of the secrecy stamp. As it turned out later, it was supposed to bring down American satellites using specially constructed ground-based laser systems [1].
    Already after the end of the Cold War, the term was used in politics and journalism as a catch phrase, meaning a non-standard, original response to an opponent’s actions, usually an order of magnitude cheaper and, therefore, making the enemy’s waste worthless.

    I can still understand the asymmetric answer, but the asymmetric advantage ... request
  12. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 2 July 2016 10: 34
    0
    And with what fright Ash suddenly became a diesel-electric submarine? fool
  13. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 2 July 2016 10: 37
    +3
    “Russians build some invisible diesel-electric submarines and place them around the perimeter of the (European) theater,” said Foggo.
    The admiral is thinking about the future. Apparently on the day "D" plans to meet with our "Kalinas" ...
    Elerik Fritz, an analyst with the Navy Analysis Center: “Russian submarines are one of the most dangerous threats that the US Navy may face on Earth.”
    And where else !? Not in space! Well, and to be absolutely precise, it’s in the waters of the World Ocean.
    However, the phrase itself is wonderful: the sphere of interest is planet Earth !!! Well, and who is the hegemonist after that !? Who is the threat to peace and security?
    If we want to continue to contain (Russia) ... ”, Foggo said.
    Bubble A2 / AD (restrictions and blocking access), which complicates the alliance maneuvering in the region
    The admiral clearly has something with logic: you cannot keep Russia, which is defending itself and is not torn anywhere. After all, you yourself complain that it impedes the maneuvering of the alliance forces in the area of ​​the planned databases! Well, so go to your shores - and no problem !!!
  14. Pitot
    Pitot 2 July 2016 10: 52
    +2
    So for them Russia in general is a danger. Why do they start to move out - either the boats are dangerous, then the strategic missile boats, or in general they are just "polite people." they are not permanent ...
  15. Verdun
    Verdun 2 July 2016 10: 57
    +2
    “We are interested in involving Russia in the European order.
    The question is what this order will be. At the same time, every time they try to draw Russia into Europe is somehow strange. The Teutons, Napoleon. Hitler ... Maybe her, this Europe? Maybe try to restore your order?
  16. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 2 July 2016 10: 58
    +4
    Again the specialist minus-submariner on the page, sprinkles negative (-) lead indiscriminately.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Again the specialist minus-submariner on the page, sprinkles negative (-) lead indiscriminately.

      Here they have a gang ... got bored! hi "offended" so to speak in the old days! bully laughing laughing
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 July 2016 19: 31
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Again the specialist minus-submariner on the page, sprinkles negative (-) lead indiscriminately.

      That's it, that minSER! lol
  17. atamankko
    atamankko 2 July 2016 10: 58
    +2
    All this is nothing more than "... give more money to the Pentagon ...".
  18. BOB044
    BOB044 2 July 2016 11: 12
    0

    Foggo agreed with his adviser, analyst at the Center for Analysis of the Naval Forces, Elerik Fritz. According to him, “Russian submarines are one of the most dangerous threats among all that the US Navy could face on Earth,” he said.
    Us guys your flattering words. Do not pour it into our ears. We know that we want what we need for security. And if you dunk, about rowing to the fullest.
  19. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 2 July 2016 11: 12
    0
    Again, the brain begins to boil after the matches of these experts. Nichrome did not understand, reread in scrap.
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 2 July 2016 11: 54
    0
    Quote: avg-mgn
    Again the specialist minus-submariner on the page, sprinkles negative (-) lead indiscriminately.
    I had to write to the admin, they promise to figure it out. And in general, write complaints more often for such violations - you need to get out bedbugs with dust, zadolbali.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 12: 29
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Again the specialist minus-submariner on the page, sprinkles negative (-) lead indiscriminately.
      I had to write to the admin, they promise to figure it out. And in general, write complaints more often for such violations - you need to get out bedbugs with dust, zadolbali.

      You don’t need to write, but figure it out by yourself ..! They have been operating here for a long time .. hi
  21. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 2 July 2016 12: 16
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    “The Russians are building a number of invisible diesel-electric submarines and placing them around the perimeter of the (European) theater”
    That is, "our boats" are in the stalls, in front of the "theater of the absurd" stage? Not bad, since there is still an amphitheater (Iskander), a mezzanine (Air Defense-VKO), balconies (YES Air Force) and boxes (Strategic Missile Forces).
  22. sergey2017
    sergey2017 2 July 2016 12: 22
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    The article did not mention the statement by the US Navy Vice Admiral James Foggo that he did not see any signs that Russian submarines were operating near the ships in the Baltic. Nevertheless, Foggo warned: "These are not the submarines we had to deal with during the Cold War!" From this statement, it follows that the submarines of the Russian Navy were present and were following NATO ships in the Baltic, but they were not found!
    1. family tree
      family tree 2 July 2016 12: 40
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      Quote: sergey2017
      The Russian Federation attended and followed NATO ships in the Baltic, but they were not found!

      And for this the entire Baltic Fleet command was kicked? what belay
  23. tinibar
    tinibar 2 July 2016 13: 21
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    Quote: Gormengast
    It's funny that they involve Russia in the "European order" - missile defense, NATO, sanctions, propagandophilia.
    laughing

    The commissioning of a single submarine in Russia causes such a stir among the NATO admiral generals ... Why are these tantrums? They want more money, but here Russia gave such an excuse - it raised its head!
  24. viktor.
    viktor. 2 July 2016 14: 15
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    Quote: Bone
    Piss "voiny" from NATO, it's not for you to bomb aborigines with impunity and not to shoot old people with children with cruise missiles, you can get a dirty boot in the face so much .... that then no grandmother will whisper !!!

    100 percent of the grandmother will whisper no one laughing
  25. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 2 July 2016 14: 47
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    “We are interested in involving Russia in the European order. This is a balance, not a war, ”Fritz summed up.
    Something with the words "European order" I only think about the brown plague.
  26. Evil 55
    Evil 55 2 July 2016 16: 18
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    On that and "Pike-B" in the Baltic, so that NATO crucians do not doze ...
  27. Evil 55
    Evil 55 2 July 2016 16: 39
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    Yes, and it’s time to blow off the mattress for a long time ... He’s already tired of the globe ..
  28. afrikanez
    afrikanez 2 July 2016 18: 26
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    “We are interested in involving Russia in the European order.
    And why do we need their euro order with their tolerance. Let them "cook" themselves in their own order. We have different views of the world with them, so there is nothing to impose on us all nonsense!
  29. bald
    bald 2 July 2016 21: 25
    +1
    They what they wanted ?! What would we launch double catamarans equipped with firecrackers? winked ("We are interested in involving Russia in the European order. This is a balance, not a war," summed up Fritz.
    ) - and here they got to hell. Or they missed the prefix demon in the word order, or we have different concepts of order.
  30. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 July 2016 14: 23
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    According to him, “Russian submarines are one of the most dangerous threats among all that the US Navy may face on Earth,” he said.

    Well, exaggerating this expression I would say, but our boats do not go on the ground, they go under water. fellow laughing