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Putin: If Finland joins NATO, Russia will have to respond

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If Finland joins NATO, the Russian troops are unlikely to remain allotted a half thousand kilometers from the border, reports RIA News Statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin.




“Imagine that Finland will join NATO. This means that the Finnish troops will no longer be independent, will cease to be sovereign in the full sense of the word. They will become part of the military infrastructure of NATO, which will suddenly appear on the borders of the Russian Federation, ”he said at a press conference in Finland.

“Do you think we will continue to do so - thousands have withdrawn our troops to 1,5, and they will remain there?” Putin continued.

He recalled that Russia had made and fulfilled the decision to divert thousands of kilometers from the Finnish border to 1,5. “And nothing has changed so far, the way it is. And on our borders in the Baltic States, NATO troops are increasing. And what should we do? ”The president noted.

NATO would probably "gladly fight with Russia until the last Finnish soldier." "You need it? We are not. We do not want. But you decide what you need, ”he added.

At the same time, “Moscow will respect the choice of the Finnish people on the issue of joining NATO”.
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RIA News. Alexey Druzhinin
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  1. 13 warrior
    13 warrior 2 July 2016 08: 19
    +10
    Right. We need an adequate answer. If the Finns violate the non-aligned status agreement, then we have nothing to be ashamed of.
    Big politics does not fall under the usual rules of morality and ethics. )))
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 2 July 2016 08: 22
      +5
      Quote: 13 warrior
      we have nothing to be ashamed of.

      What do you offer in response?
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 2 July 2016 08: 35
        +32
        Quote: Vladimirets
        What do you offer in response?
        In St. Petersburg, the memorial plaque of Mannerheim dismantled. This will be a severe blow to the revenge-seekers of the Finnish military! wassat
        But seriously, you don’t know how to react. The situation is worse than in the 41st - now all of Europe and the USA are against us, and our country is half as much and much weaker.
        So in a quarter of a century, indulging our "Western partners" in every possible way and actively integrating into the "civilized world", we have reached the extreme limit.
        1. Comrade Schucher
          Comrade Schucher 2 July 2016 08: 45
          +15
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          In St. Petersburg, the memorial plaque of Mannerheim dismantled.

          This can not be done ...
          To put a table five meters from the board, on the table are bubbles with colored paint ...
          One throw - 15 rubles (or at the cost of a loaf of brown bread).
          For survivors of the blockade - for free and the number of throws is not limited.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 2 July 2016 10: 14
            +5
            Quote: Comrade Schucher

            This can not be done ...
            To put a table five meters from the board, on the table are bubbles with colored paint ...
            One throw - 15 rubles (or at the cost of a loaf of brown bread).
            For survivors of the blockade - for free and the number of throws is not limited.

            It is better to hang next to another memorial plaque dedicated to the Leningrad blockade ration of bread.
            1. Vladimir61
              Vladimir61 2 July 2016 12: 30
              +3
              July 1, exactly 70 years ago, a 14-year-old Tanya Savicheva died of a serious illness. From her we left the diary that the girl kept in besieged Leningrad.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 2 July 2016 12: 50
                +3
                Quote: Vladimir61
                July 1, exactly 70 years ago

                If July 1, 1944 is "exactly 70 years ago," then I am a telephone booth.

                This is what you need to think when you write. And not just copy phrases from an Internet.
          2. oldseaman1957
            oldseaman1957 2 July 2016 15: 30
            +1
            Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
            To put a table five meters from the board, on the table are bubbles with colored paint ...
            One throw - 15 rubles
            - And what? Let's be like Svidomo monkeys?
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 July 2016 08: 48
          +12
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          In St. Petersburg, Mannerheim’s memorial plaque was removed. This will be a severe blow to the revenge-seeking mood of the Finns!

          Strange all the same, in our country, people saw the Mannerheim’s board - dismantling, filming, filing.
          A monument to Manergeim stands on Nevsky. It’s worth it and doesn’t bother anyone. They put a bust on him, also silence. Doesn’t bother anyone. Where are the demands to remove, remove, dismantle the AU ???? Oh yes, the elections are coming soon.
          Saint Petersburg, Shpalernaya 41
          1. Comrade Schucher
            Comrade Schucher 2 July 2016 09: 10
            +20
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            A monument to Manergeim stands on Nevsky. It costs and does not bother anyone.

            Sash, why exactly to him, and right now?
            Why not this Finnish baker Daniil Kyutinen, who died of starvation in the same bakery during the blockade?
            Or is he, this baker, not drawn to a hero, is not worthy of memory?

            Here's something to learn from the Merikos - it's how to "be friends" with Europe ...
            - Want to be friends with us? Then give us this, this, and bring it back from there.

            Russian friendship system: - we want to be friends with you, and for this we will do what you want for you, and we’ll break what you ask for at home.

            This is my personal, subjective opinion and that there is another, then it will only be interesting to me.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 2 July 2016 09: 21
              -1
              Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
              Sash, why exactly to him, and right now?

              A bust of Mannerheim was installed in 2007. Have you ever heard-remove, demolish, break? So I wonder why right now, so many screams.
              Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
              Why not this Finnish baker Daniil Kyutinen, who died of starvation in the same bakery during the blockade?

              I don’t know why they didn’t put a monument or a memorial plaque on him. People remember him and this is the main thing.
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        3. Thrall
          Thrall 2 July 2016 08: 49
          +2
          Russian troops are unlikely to remain withdrawn for fifteen hundred kilometers from the border

          And in Karelia it makes no sense to keep a large group of ground forces. Fighting there is possible only along the few roads. Any columns of equipment will be easily burned from the air.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 July 2016 09: 45
            -15%
            Quote: Thrall
            And in Karelia it makes no sense to keep a large group of ground forces. Fighting there is possible only along the few roads. Any columns of equipment will be easily burned from the air.

            And what, someone is already going to fight with the Finns?
        4. Lukich
          Lukich 2 July 2016 09: 25
          +4
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          In St. Petersburg, the memorial plaque of Mannerheim dismantled.

          already removed
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          the strongest blow to the revenge-seekers of the Finnish military!
          But seriously, you don’t know how to react. The situation is worse than in the 41st - now all of Europe and the USA are against us,

          in 1917 it was no better. Entente, if you recall
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          and our country is two times smaller and much weaker.

          Well, to play on a divan in a tank ... if we were weaker, significantly, a war would have been a long time ago
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          So in a quarter of a century, indulging our "Western partners" in every possible way and actively integrating into the "civilized world", we have reached the extreme limit.

          Well, and what is this limit? we are respected and respected
        5. Thrall
          Thrall 2 July 2016 10: 53
          +4
          The Finns have long been at our sight laughing
        6. Red_Hamer
          Red_Hamer 2 July 2016 11: 52
          +1
          In St. Petersburg, the memorial plaque of Mannerheim dismantled.
          So she, most likely as a curtsy to the Finns (in advance), and hanged. Now they are waiting for what the Finns will present to us!
        7. Observer2014
          Observer2014 2 July 2016 16: 22
          +4
          Putin: If Finland joins NATO, Russia will have to respond

          Well, after multiple "mnogohodovochek" Surprise us Russians. At least one decisive decision for offset. Waiting !! laughing
          P / SDonbass was surprised, they sent Novorossia out. Did they decisively pardon the Turks? Or not? I’m waiting tomorrow with the deepest impatience of Kisilev’s legend!
        8. NIKNN
          NIKNN 2 July 2016 18: 48
          +3
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          But seriously, you don’t know how to react. The situation is worse than in the 41st - now all of Europe and the USA are against us, and our country is half as much and much weaker.
          So in a quarter of a century, indulging our "Western partners" in every possible way and actively integrating into the "civilized world", we have reached the extreme limit.

          Yes, in the course of an "adequate" response, there will not be enough for everyone, you need to start reacting inadequately ...
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 2 July 2016 09: 05
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        What do you offer in response?

        send the coordinates of targets on the territory of a NATO member by military diplomatic mail. let them think.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 July 2016 09: 25
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        What do you offer in response?

        Well, he wroteWe need an adequate answer. I myself am afraid to ask what kind of an adequate answer it is.
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 2 July 2016 09: 45
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, he wrote, I need an adequate answer. I myself am afraid to ask what kind of an adequate answer it is.

          Well, this is when a neighbor smashed a hammer at you, and you treated him with a sledgehammer. so, next door ...
      4. Awaz
        Awaz 2 July 2016 09: 45
        +4
        there is such an international term "Finlandization" It came from the mutual recognition of the USSR and Finland not to provoke one side of the other and also not to use force by the other side to "calm down" the provocateurs. The Finns are meant there as provocateurs. If the Finns violate this treaty, Russia has a legal right on the basis of an international treaty and the use of force against Finland.
        This agreement was then transferred to other countries. There, each party has rights and obligations, and violation of them unties the other side of the hand.
        I don’t understand the Russian authorities, the Finns have long been violating the clauses of the treaty and the Russian Federation should have reminded the Finns of their place under the shop for a long time ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 July 2016 10: 15
          -10%
          Quote: AwaZ
          there is such an international term "Finlandization" It came from the mutual recognition of the USSR and Finland not to provoke one side of the other and also not to use force by the other side to "calm down" the provocateurs. Finns are meant as provocateurs there.

          Finland and Sweden are historically very strongly connected, they are much closer than just friendly countries, and the Finns also feel about the Baltic countries. and one cannot tear their sudden desire in NATO from the tension of the Russian Armed Forces in relation to both the Baltic states and, more recently, the Swedes.
          Quote: AwaZ
          If the Finns violate this treaty, Russia has a legal right on the basis of an international treaty and the use of force against Finland.

          Which contract? What is the legal right? fool
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 2 July 2016 11: 23
            +7
            Quote: atalef
            their sudden desire in NATO must not be torn off from the tension of the Russian Armed Forces with respect to both the Baltic states and, more recently, the Swedes.
            Namesake, you're wrong!
            If a springboard unfolds at your northern border to attack your country, will you calmly look at it? If the pilots of a neighboring country begin training on the use of B61 and 6 airfields, they are preparing to receive nuclear weapons carriers - will you calmly look at it?
            If - "yes", then you are a traitor and a traitor! And the Israeli people will curse you and your offspring up to the 7th generation! So why do you approach the same security situation with different standards !?
            No, dear, this will not work! If you harnessed to the NATO military, be prepared to get medium-caliber nuclear warheads for all the goals assigned by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces to defeat in your territory! How else? Or do limotrophs want to get out of the water dry? And don't get a club in the teeth !? - this does not happen!
            About the Swedes. The hysteria on the search for our submarines is counterproductive, if only because they are practically gone on the BF. All military men understand this. But politicians need a bone for the media to gnaw. Hence the hysteria! And the feeling of insecurity ... Although we are not going to attack them - neither now nor in the future. We have Siberia "not unsealed" with riches, so why do we need their bare stones and fjords? And their Swedes are so scary (clumsy) that they do not cause a desire to become related ...
            So, this is all a product of the information war.
            1. atalef
              atalef 2 July 2016 14: 22
              -5
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Namesake, you're wrong!

              Hi Sasha
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              If a springboard unfolds at your northern border to attack your country, will you calmly look at it?

              Of course not, but let's take a look at it from above.
              For whatever reason (in your opinion) Finland, which never entered into any blocs, suddenly expressed a sharp desire to jump into NATO?
              Do you think of the love of art? were there any explicit or indirect prerequisites for this?
              The military activity of the Russian Armed Forces at their and Swedish borders did not begin yesterday.
              You can search for 100 explanations, but somehow I don’t really believe that Finland acted as a provocateur.
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              If the pilots of a neighboring country begin training on the use of B61 and 6 airfields, they are preparing to receive nuclear weapons carriers - will you calmly look at it?

              I don’t quite know what it’s about, is it about Finland?
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              If you harnessed to the NATO military, be prepared to get medium-caliber nuclear warheads for all the goals assigned by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces to defeat in your territory!

              Of course, but the question now is not about that, but the question is - why did Finland decide to rush to NATO and what prompted it to do so?
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 3 July 2016 20: 12
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                For what reason (in your opinion) Finland, which never entered into any blocs, suddenly expressed a sharp desire to jump into NATO?

                Sash, hello! It seems to me that the generation of politicians has changed. The new president, raised in the EU's tinnets, wants to stay on the side of the "winners", believing that Russia will not have enough strength to cope with the US and EU sanctions.
                Quote: atalef
                The military activity of the Russian Armed Forces at their and Swedish borders did not begin yesterday.

                Analysis of the exercises shows that they are all tactical. KSHU with the indicated forces. But the fact that earlier from here KS-135 did not come to us without transponders and we did not need to "intercept" them, then - yes. We stopped silently, as before, wiping ourselves off when they spat in our faces from the position of "hegemono-derzhimorda".
                Yes, everyone in the West was frightened by the return of Crimea to the Russian Federation ... The first to vibrate were the limitrophes, sensing a threat to answer for the endless humiliation and humiliation of the Russian-speaking population of their countries, deprived of civil rights in violation of all mn norms! "non-citizens" are called! Then the Finns took part in the fate of the Limitrophes and took their side.
                Quote: atalef
                I somehow do not really believe that Finland acted as a provocateur.
                The Finnish leadership fell for the cleverly composed information. The compiler is the same as the plan "Ring of the Anaconda". The goal is still the same - the isolation and strangulation of Russia as a sovereign state. Puppet Russia EBNovskogo bottling suits them. But the Darkest is in the way. Therefore, they will stir up and inside the country ...
                Quote: atalef
                Is it about Finland?

                Not. This applies to the Baltic states. Here is an interview:
                "- Can the US transfer tactical nuclear weapons to the Baltic countries?
                - In fact, it has already happened. The fact is that the latest modification of the B-61 nuclear bombs can be placed on any aerial platform. And not only on strategic bombers. It may even be those NATO planes that today on an ongoing basis patrol the airspace of the Baltic states, flying close to our borders. There are now 200 such bombs in Europe. At the same time, 16 aircraft are based on the base of Zoknya near Shauliai in Lithuania and Emari in Estonia, which can carry them on board. And pilots from these countries were trained on how to use these bombs. "Http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/140140/
                Quote: atalef
                the question is why did Finland decide to rush into NATO and what prompted it to do so?
                I think I answered above.
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 2 July 2016 09: 52
        +3
        This is all the filthy job of American provocateurs. And the Finns are like suckers. We would really be all over if all this were not against us! request
      6. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 2 July 2016 10: 46
        +4
        Quote: Vladimirets
        What do you offer in response?

        In addition to military measures, economic ones will be very effective.
        We will stop selling round timber, but only wood of high processing. And the whole pulp and paper industry in Finland (after the dairy!) Will go dead. Russia is their main market. Without him, the Finns will immediately get wet ...
        But everyone will be in NATE, like in chocolate!
    2. Karasik
      Karasik 2 July 2016 08: 27
      +12
      Quote: 13 warrior
      ... we have nothing to be ashamed of.
      Big politics does not fall under the usual rules of morality and ethics. )))

      Yesterday I watched the speech of Vladimir Putin in Finland. It seems to be threatening, but it’s politically correct. The main thing that anyone needs - they understand! That's right, that's right!
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 2 July 2016 08: 34
        +3
        Putin: If Finland joins NATO, Russia will have to respond

        "And we will turn off the gas for them!" (To \ f "The Diamond Arm") But seriously, they will have to buy round timber in another country, or cut their own - which they do not want to do.
        1. SCHWERIN
          SCHWERIN 2 July 2016 09: 15
          -6
          Are you sure about that? We are so self-sufficient that we can not sell the forest over the hill? Then the whole Karelian has already been cut down.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 2 July 2016 09: 32
            +4
            Quote: SCHWERIN
            Are you sure about that? We are so self-sufficient that we can not sell the forest over the hill?

            But were we self-sufficient before the food embargo, in response to Western sanctions? We began to develop our s / s, and we buy the missing products in other countries.
            It is the same with our round timber: you can sell it to other countries, and the best way out (which, by the way, Putin also supports) is to build your own modern timber processing plants and not just drive the round timber so that later, from there to carry building materials.
            1. SCHWERIN
              SCHWERIN 2 July 2016 19: 27
              0
              Dear, I live near the Finnish border. In Soviet times, cutting down a tree here was very difficult. There was strict control.
              Now everything is left to chance. Cut down glades for the northern stream, well, this state. Now they are cutting so that after cutting down a bare field remains. They stopped planting the forest, they take the whip, leaving the branches in place. Who cuts, it is not clear where they are taking it - it is not clear.
              People here are poor, it’s easy to bribe them. Most likely, someone has a quota for deforestation and takes out the forest to Finland. This is the currency! And you don’t need a big mind, 5 Moldova and a tractor. Speak about the high technological process! Sawmills are, but they are primitive, except for a board for construction. If, as you say, build factories, in 5 months there will be a bare field.
              Finns do not cut their forests, but why? Across the border is Africa. Those who have income from this, most likely do not live here, maybe they moved to another country. Workers are guest workers.
              Why trade with the Finns like this, it’s better not to trade at all.
      2. atalef
        atalef 2 July 2016 10: 24
        -10%
        Quote: Karasik
        Yesterday I watched the speech of Vladimir Putin in Finland. It seems to be threatening, but it’s politically correct. The main thing that anyone needs - they understand!

        And so they rushed to NATO.
        Quote: Karasik
        That's right, that's right

        belay
      3. Air defense SSH
        Air defense SSH 2 July 2016 17: 47
        +1
        I think the Finns aren’t bothering so much as to substitute themselves - they don’t need to threaten rudely, it’s enough to gently call on the mind ...
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 2 July 2016 09: 27
      +4
      Finding NATO for the Finns could be a fatal mistake. Here the threat of a blockade of the Kaliningrad region is visible. I do not think that Finland will go under NATO, having lost a good neighbor and reliable trading partner. Turkey is a fresh example.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 July 2016 09: 51
        -16%
        Quote: siberalt
        NATO deployment for Finns could turn out to be a fatal mistake

        Come on, so what will happen?
        We heard about the radar in Poland and Romania, about NATO entry into the Baltic states and so on and so forth.
        It brought nothing but additional expenses for the defense of Russia.
        A fatal mistake is when there are consequences, and what are the consequences?
        In general, it might be better to ask why Finland sharply wanted to join NATO?
        Is the excessive activity of the Russian Armed Forces at its borders and Sweden, VKS flights, etc., to blame for this?
        Here are the consequences, they began to fear simplicity, and all this fear (strange as it may seem) will bring nothing but the extra arms costs (by Russia).
        Another NATO country nearby - Bravo to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 2 July 2016 09: 56
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          Is the excessive activity of the Russian Armed Forces at its borders and Sweden, VKS flights, etc., to blame for this?

          Standard Western explanation: Russians are to blame.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 July 2016 10: 17
            -9
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: atalef
            Is the excessive activity of the Russian Armed Forces at its borders and Sweden, VKS flights, etc., to blame for this?

            Standard Western explanation: Russians are to blame.

            And that there was nothing? belay
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 2 July 2016 10: 23
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              And that there was nothing?

              What wasn't there? In the Baltic, ANY of our boats is "near the frontiers of fearful Sweden." Any plane flying over the Baltic in neutral waters is relatively close to the vulnerable souls of the Baltic states and the same Swedes. Should we not conduct exercises, fly and walk? request And then, suddenly, who is afraid. You have an interesting logic. And what is "excessive"? What activity will tender neighbors not be afraid of? The Swedes did not find our boats, the planes do not violate foreign borders. That is, the States conducting training bombing far away from North America near OUR borders from strategists should not scare anyone, but we, you see, scare everyone. No.
              1. atalef
                atalef 2 July 2016 10: 33
                -10%
                Quote: Vladimirets
                What wasn't there? In the Baltic, ANY of our boats is "near the frontiers of fearful Sweden." Any plane flying over the Baltic in neutral waters is relatively close to the vulnerable souls of the Balts and the same Swedes

                Well, no fairy tales.
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Should we not conduct exercises, do not fly or walk?

                Well, if all this leads to the fact that Sweden is increasing its military budget and Finland will rush into NATO - then of course yes !!
                And there are more exercises and in those places that NATO turned out to be all around.
                Are there few exercises in Russia? Or nobody thinks about the consequences, and then --- what did they get?
                We are conducting exercises - wherever we want, Finland joins the blocks - which they want.
                Very smart laughing

                Quote: Vladimirets
                That is, the States conducting training bombing distant lands from North America at OUR borders from strategists should not scare anyone,

                but what does it have to do with it? Russia and the United States are not friends in different blocks and, in general, to say the least.
                So fly near the borders of the USA, what should Sweden and Finland provoke?
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 2 July 2016 10: 47
                  +7
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, no fairy tales.

                  What fairy tales? belay What is the Kaliningrad region an enclave? And on its territory there are serious connections that also need to be trained? And the Gulf of Finland is, in fact, a puddle, where everyone shares a border with each other? request
                  Quote: atalef
                  So fly near the borders of the USA, what should Sweden and Finland provoke?

                  To go nuts. Even following your clever advice, the DCBF should somehow get there so that the neighbors do not get scared. recourse
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 2 July 2016 14: 25
                    -2
                    Quote: Vladimirets
                    What kind of fairy tales? What is the Kaliningrad region an enclave? And on its territory there are serious connections that also need to be trained? And the Gulf of Finland is, in fact, a puddle, where everyone shares a border with each other?

                    Kaliningrad has always been an enclave and has always trained there, including during the Soviet era, but they decided to take off now.
                    I say again, do not look at the consequences - look for the reason.
                    The work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is to prevent these things and expand the list of hostile countries - 6 if we follow the path and we don’t give a damn that we want this and that — why be surprised that there are suddenly enemies around?
                    Quote: Vladimirets
                    The DCBF should somehow get there so that the neighbors are not afraid.

                    Yes, probably, as a result, the damage from Finland joining NATO will be an order of magnitude higher.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 2 July 2016 15: 43
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      I say again, do not look at the consequences - look for the reason.
                      The work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is to prevent these things and expand the list of hostile countries - 6 if we follow the path and we don’t give a damn that we want this and that — why be surprised that there are suddenly enemies around?

                      So, maybe we should completely dissolve the army, open the borders and invite NATO-members to our place? Probably only in this case in the West everyone will breathe calmly.
                2. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 2 July 2016 11: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  Are there few exercises in Russia?

                  There is enough space ... But the misfortune: it is absurd to train the forces of the Arctic grouping in the steppes of the Azov Sea ...
                  You need to get used to where the real bullets whistle, and not at an abstract polygon ...
                  Your Israeli self-defense forces do not train in Siberian snows! Or has he already mastered it !? laughing
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 2 July 2016 14: 28
                    -3
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    There is enough space ... But this is bad luck: it is absurd to train the forces of the Arctic grouping in the steppes of the Azov Sea.

                    I don’t know, Sasha, but if the training causes fear of the neighbors and the desire to quickly jump into the military block, then something is not right.
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    You need to get used to where the real bullets whistle, and not at an abstract polygon ...

                    Well, probably they decided to be real in something, not in the vertical
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    Your Israeli self-defense forces do not train in Siberian snows! Or has he already mastered it !?

                    Yes, but even on the Egyptian or Jordanian border they don’t especially train (and if so, with the notification of the third party) - why tease from scratch? What good is this?
        2. Senior manager
          Senior manager 2 July 2016 10: 06
          +6
          Put a minus. It’s good to sit at a distance and theorize, And how much is excessive activity? That is, like a mouse behind a broom, Russia needs to lurk, Phashington wiped his feet about us, and we shook off all right. So will it be ATALEF? Actually this is what the West is seeking from Russia. I do not agree, especially since I pay for this activity out of my pocket.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 July 2016 10: 20
            -7
            Quote: St. Propulsion
            And excessive activity is how much?

            As much as they consider a threat to themselves
            Quote: St. Propulsion
            ? That is, like a mouse behind a broom, Russia needs to lurk, Phashington wiped his feet about us, and we shook off all right.

            No, but I think that the Finns did not just take it and decided to rush to NATO.
            You separate Finland from Sweden - in vain.
            Quote: St. Propulsion
            Actually this is what the West of Russia is seeking

            What is achieving?
            1. Alf
              Alf 2 July 2016 15: 48
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              As much as they consider a threat to themselves

              In general, they consider the existence of Russia a threat to themselves and, by the way, do not hide this.
              Well now, do we self-destruct?
              And if you count how many Arab countries consider the existence of Israel a threat to themselves, then Israel should have committed suicide about ten times.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 2 July 2016 11: 45
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          We heard about the radar in Poland and Romania, about NATO entry into the Baltic states and so on and so forth.
          It brought nothing but additional expenses for the defense of Russia.

          Alexander! Fully fantasize! What can be the costs of retargeting a dozen media for new targets? Or do you think we will go there as in 40th rush? Everything. With the export of the revolution and making others happy with the "bright future of all mankind", we are done for now! (We will become the 2nd economy in the world - maybe we will think about it. But so far, definitely not before!)
          2. You'd better ask: have you heard Poland and Romania that targets on their territory have become a priority for our Strategic Missile Forces !? And why do the governments of these countries not explain to their populations all the charm of the situation "burn up in a nuclear flame in the first minutes of the war"? Something is wrong here...
          Quote: atalef
          they simply began to fear and all this fear (oddly enough) will bring nothing but the extra arms costs (by Russia).
          Under Kekkonen, Finland was not afraid of anyone! Although the Union times in 2 was more powerful than modern Russia. Maybe it's in ... in the orchestra? (C)
          Or, after all, there are secret plans to return the "Kemsk volost? I-I !!!"
          Well, well, it's a pity the rocky ground: it will be difficult to bury them all ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 July 2016 14: 33
            -7
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Alexander! Dense fantasies! What are the costs of redirecting a dozen carriers to new goals?

            Well, listen to you, so what's the point of all the hysteria because of NATO missile defense and everything else?
            Nuclear weapons are there who will turn up? Why then all these Almatys, PAK f, etc.?
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            You'd better ask: did you hear Poland and Romania that the goals on their territory have become priorities for our Strategic Rocket Forces !?

            That’s how I’m sure that they don’t give a damn about anything, just like I didn’t give a damn (while living in Niter), that in theory they should kill me with the first nuclear strike.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            And why do the governments of these countries not explain to their populations all the charm of the situation "burn up in a nuclear flame in the first minutes of the war"?

            Well, they explain to you? Well, you do not live in a village in Altai.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Under Kekkonen, Finland was not afraid of anyone! Although the Union times in 2 was more powerful than modern Russia. Maybe it's in ... in the orchestra? (With

            Or in a clear and transparent neighbor policy.
            Tell me, how many provocations and tensions were on the borders of FINLAND AND SWEDEN DURING the USSR?
      2. Senior manager
        Senior manager 2 July 2016 09: 54
        +1
        At the moment, the Finns lack Mannerheim. A sober, balanced approach is essential. And the Finns received independence from the hands of the Bolsheviks, who "passed", and the world picture has changed.
    5. sgazeev
      sgazeev 2 July 2016 09: 41
      +1
      Quote: 13 warrior
      Right. We need an adequate answer. If the Finns violate the non-aligned status agreement, then we have nothing to be ashamed of.
      Big politics does not fall under the usual rules of morality and ethics. )))

      It was necessary to remind the brakes from whose hands they gained independence. 70 years of the USSR and Russia did not think to threaten. In the EMPIRE they had their autonomy, parliament, government.
      1. SCHWERIN
        SCHWERIN 2 July 2016 21: 32
        0
        In general, grandfather Lenin, they say did not want their autonomy, it was just bad things. And there was no strength to fight the Finns.
        But he did not withdraw army units from Finland, secretly supporting the Red Finns. Do you really think that VIL wanted to have bourgeois Finland nearby? They rubbed the tale of independence, she took root
        But some of the Finns were not satisfied with the presence of Russian troops in the "independent" Finland. They began to attack garrisons and seize arsenals. They did not have their own army.
        They began to create shutskor (like the police) consisting of people supporting bourgeois ideas. In contrast to them were the "red" Finns.
        Then Baron Mannerheim arrived in time. With a group of officers, he began to create an army on the basis of the Shutskor, and the Germans also assisted.
        The Reds lost. “White Finns”, although they were in the minority, won. Petrograd did not help the "Reds".
        It can be assumed that if not for Mannerheim, Finland would have been part of Soviet Russia.
        Relations with Russia were not spoiled by the Bolsheviks, but by Russian tsars. If Alexander II satisfied the Finns with his reforms, then Alexander III and Nicholas II actually led Finland to turmoil. They began to Russify Finland, (well, such as introducing Mova in Hohland, because of which the Russian spring started) and much more that the Finns did not like.
        Mistakes of the past explode the present.
    6. atalef
      atalef 2 July 2016 09: 44
      -1
      Quote: 13 warrior
      Right. We need an adequate answer. If the Finns violate the non-aligned status agreement, then we have nothing to be ashamed of.
      )

      And what kind of non-aligned status agreement? Can someone clarify?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 2 July 2016 10: 33
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        And what kind of non-aligned status agreement?

        Moreover, under the USSR, the Finnish constitution spelled out such a point that Finland is not a member of military blocs, but then it legally abandoned it, but did not officially join any bloc. Officially, but in practice it is integrated into NATO. Recent events:
        -equipping the latest radar posts along the Finnish-Russian border and including them in a single sensor chain along the lines Finland-Sweden-Estonia-Latvia-Lithuania with access to Poland and further to the center of the unified command of all this shock-information octopus that works deep underground in Germany.
        -activation of joint exercises with NATO, internships, a plan to build up striking forces and equipping sites to be located on the territory adjacent to us.
        - statements of Finnish and NATO high officials. I think that this is the whole trick, that the Finnish leadership has long adopted the vector aimed at joining NATO, but the local population is not quite “For!” Hence all these dances and the explanatory speech of the President of Russia in that the same piggy bank in order to slow down this negative process for us by political methods.
        P.S. Alexander, and to blame the Russian VKS and Navy for the fact that it was they who provoked such a situevina with a too simplistic look.
        NATO in the Baltic and the Arctic has unusually intensified and is building up its military potential and coherence, is actively developing cooperation with non-aligned partners. That is, it is carrying out military-political pressure. Under these conditions, Russia cannot watch indifferently, besides all these flights and sailings Finnish shores or duck are or are excessively inflated by NATO propaganda, their information battalions.
        What kind of celery does this chocolate paratrooper in the Finnish forests ..? Get lost ..? DO NOT THINK.
    7. Maksus
      Maksus 2 July 2016 10: 09
      +1
      Uh, but doesn’t it bother anyone that the 138 brigade stands at 80 km from the border?
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 2 July 2016 17: 13
        0
        Maxim, in Soviet times there have always been units of "border support" (border support regiment), which were of a defensive nature.
        The GDP has long promised to close the supply of wood (round timber) to the finals so that they transfer production to the Russian Federation. But because of the endless requests of the Finnish hand, it was constantly postponed. And wood processing (pulp, paper, etc.) for Helsinki is the most important industry in the economy. And for them, our markets have always been important (export to Russia of 11,3 billion dollars, import of 4,5 - 2014 figures). And the entire export of Finns (about 90 billion) is a third of the country's total GDP (272 billion), i.e. export is very important. So, when joining NATO, Helsinki should not forget this, the consequences for the economy can be dire and I don’t think that Moscow will continue to support it. hi
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 2 July 2016 20: 08
          0
          Yes, there seems to be not a regiment, now a brigade (average according to the current classification), and in Soviet times, despite the "non-aligned" Finns, there was a whole army corps. Now there is an artillery brigade in Luga, and there are helicopter pilots in Glebychevo. Why 1500 km?
    8. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 2 July 2016 11: 43
      +1
      We have experience ... there will be no Manerheim line, and the tactics since then are different ... it’s a pity of course if the Finns join NATO
    9. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 3 July 2016 08: 59
      0
      Quote: 13 warrior
      Right. We need an adequate answer. If the Finns violate the non-aligned status agreement, then we have nothing to be ashamed of.
      Big politics does not fall under the usual rules of morality and ethics. )))

      The president knows all the currents we need to select the right words, show the Finam picture in three sentences, and emphasized about 1.500 km that are allotted now, and did not forget to say about the last Finnish soldier, in general, we respect your choice wink here, in my opinion, even a stupid person will understand what kind of choice you need to make!
  2. hirurg
    hirurg 2 July 2016 08: 20
    +1
    This NATE is not available. They pull everyone towards themselves, they pull on a steel cable.
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 July 2016 08: 26
    -11%
    Correctly need an adequate answer. the Finns of Mannerheim’s board weren’t afraid, we will put a monument to Hitler in Moscow or Paulus in Volgograd in Moscow, after all, the fellow did not go for the Volga.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 2 July 2016 09: 36
      0
      May it be for you with Mannerheim. This is how they wanted to be the best for the Finns on the eve of the meeting to discuss non-aligned status, but they did not consult with their people. It turned out to be a "hefty stink" for both us and the Finns. Could make him a monument like "from the grateful government of Russia, 2000-2016" and give it to neighbors.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 2 July 2016 10: 16
        +1
        So minus the government. I didn’t erect monuments to Mannerheim and didn’t pin memorial boards laughing
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 2 July 2016 09: 40
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      Correctly need an adequate answer. the Finns of Mannerheim’s board weren’t afraid, we will put a monument to Hitler in Moscow or Paulus in Volgograd in Moscow, after all, the fellow did not go for the Volga.

      and how much poison you have to GDP. and no specifics except as "all merged, all sold" no. and after a while, when the results of his victories pop up, you are not visible on the site, and even more so NONE of you "he leaked everything and sold everything" do not even admit that you are wrong
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 July 2016 10: 59
        0
        Quote: Lukich
        and how much poison you have to GDP. and no specifics except as "all merged, all sold" no.

        Listen to Zyuganov, read the comments of the Communists here is the same thing. Only Zyuga is more politically correct.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 2 July 2016 16: 28
        +1
        but no specifics
        What specifics do you need? Honor the Nazi Mannerheim? Anti-family law in the Duma? Troops withdrawn to please NATO? The president and the head of government strongly recommend this summer to go to Turkey. Moreover, rest in Turkey is not higher than 30 thousand. In Sochi, for some reason, not lower than 40 thousand. The head of state is campaigning to go not to Crimea, but Turkey. Then consumers squealed, taking money from Turkey for the death of the pilot was already immoral, but not only that, no one remembered the Marine. Are you few? Yes, even the fact that the head of the Russian state prefers to pronounce English words more and more often is enough. Or maybe I pushed Kudrin to the Kremlin?
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 2 July 2016 16: 57
          +1
          Continue? The genius of foreign policy did not protect our athletes in doping scandals. On the contrary, he supported our enemies, his partners. He was the first to admit that Russian athletes should answer, although at that time there was no special evidence.
          And by the way, in Turkey, Russia got into a Syrian adventure supposedly supporting Assad and punishing ISIS. That has already been supported and punished. Meanwhile, the Ishilovites are shooting down Syrian planes.
          1. Medvedev will personally participate in negotiations with Turkey. The Prime Minister said that the restoration of contacts will occur at all levels, including at the government level. In short, as soon as Erdogan said one magic word, the Russian leadership rushed to cuddle, losing their pants. It seems that they are so bored - unbearable.

          2. Turkey is our! For three days from June 29 to July 1, the number of requests for tours to Turkey has quadrupled. And this despite the attack! At the same time, the number of requests for tours to Sochi and Crimea was reduced three times. As they say, which was required to prove. In general - back to Turkey! At the same time, the bridge to the Crimea can not be completed. And if they also open Egypt, then consumers will choose Putin for the next term, despite nothing.
          quote from here http://amfora.livejournal.com/428298.html
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 July 2016 17: 19
          -2
          Quote: Gardamir
          What specifics do you need?

          - come on, come on ...

          Quote: Gardamir
          Honor the Nazi Mannerheim?

          - the notorious "board" "disappeared" a week ago (25.07 this year) request

          Quote: Gardamir
          Anti-family law in the Duma?

          - In the Duma there are no "laws", there are bills. And what kind of "zakoe" is this, by the way?

          Quote: Gardamir
          The president and the head of government strongly recommend this summer to go to Turkey

          - lies, direct

          Quote: http://www.aif.ru/society/safety/mid_prizval_rossiyan_ocenivat_opasnosti_pri_pla
          nirovanii_poezdok_v_turciyu
          The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation calls on Russian tourists who are planning a vacation to Turkey to take a responsible approach to planning trips and places of visit, and to assess the situation and possible dangers. Such a statement on Friday, July 1, was made by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova.

          She noted that Russia is ready to resume tourism ties with Turkey in full, but expects from the Turkish side comprehensive measures to ensure the safety of its tourists

          - in other words - lovers of extreme tourism were offered to turn on their heads laughing

          Quote: Gardamir
          The head of state is campaigning not to go to Crimea, but Turkey

          - another time a lie. Not too much, Gardamir? repeat

          Quote: Gardamir
          Yes, even the fact that the head of the Russian state prefers to pronounce English words more and more often is enough

          - you with now deceased Svelesom not relatives, an hour? wink

          Quote: Gardamir
          Or maybe I pushed Kudrin to the Kremlin?

          - what, in the stump, "to the Kremlin" ??? What are you grinding? fool

          No, I, of course, understand everything ... Saturday, yes, after Friday ... but it’s necessary brains include sometimes take care of yourself, nevertheless ...
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 July 2016 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      in Moscow we’ll put a monument to Hitler or Paulus in Volgograd,
      Respected! Urgently to the doctor! You have nonsense !!!
  4. Million
    Million 2 July 2016 08: 27
    +5
    Claw is bogged down, the whole bird is a chasm. Entered into NATO, lost sovereignty and surrendered to the states without war
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 2 July 2016 08: 29
    +11
    I used to drive to Finka often. It was cheap. I talked with the locals. They now curse the EU and their government for a moronic and short-sighted policy! All border supermarkets were built specifically for our tourists! And at the moment they work at a loss! Discounts up to 70% !!! But because of the euro exchange rate it’s still a little expensive. And if the Finns also enter NATO, then ours will find something to come up with. There is a countermeasure to any measure.
    1. tomket
      tomket 2 July 2016 08: 38
      -12%
      Quote: Magic Archer
      were built specifically for our tourists!

      Well, for what else?
      Quote: Magic Archer
      And at the moment they are operating at a loss! Discounts up to 70%

      Will they fall apart and be asked back to Russia?
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Discounts up to 70%

      Well, we now also have discounts through one on a shelf.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      And if the Finns also enter NATO, then ours will find something to come up with.

      Well, yes, yes. Sweden will probably be admitted to the CSTO.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      There is a countermeasure to any measure.

      Some countermeasures are expressed only as concerns.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 July 2016 17: 35
        0
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: Magic Archer
        There is a countermeasure to any measure.

        Some countermeasures express concern only

        - agree - not all and not always yes

        PS: minus (s) are not mine No.
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  7. Petr1
    Petr1 2 July 2016 08: 40
    +3
    GDP does its work, offset +
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 July 2016 09: 52
      -7
      Quote: Petr1
      GDP does its work, offset +

      Of course, the offset of GDP and Lavrov - Ukraine - the enemy, Georgia - the enemy, Molzhova - fled, With Belarus - strained, the Finns in NATO
      The United States steers on the 3 \ 4 post of the USSR, NATO at the borders --- offset.
      1. Petr1
        Petr1 2 July 2016 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: atalef

        Of course, the offset of GDP and Lavrov - Ukraine - the enemy, Georgia - the enemy, Molzhova - fled, With Belarus - strained,

        Ukraine and Georgia are not the enemy of Molzhov. Belarus is not the same as the Russians in Ukraine laughing .
        It’s just that the government didn’t work with us before, now Turkey understood that the President is at work.
        But you should be ashamed of the unscrupulous, although the Israeli flag is not an indicator that you are Jewish! They will not disappear from the United States as they appeared. The Jewish state will simply be torn by the Arabs, do you understand that?
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 July 2016 14: 36
          -2
          Quote: Petr1
          Ukraine and Georgia are not the enemy

          Are you sure ?
          Quote: Petr1
          Molzhova has not gone anywhere

          Translit laughing Is Moldova already a friend? belay
          Quote: Petr1
          Belarusians are the same Russian as in Ukraine

          Well, yes, it remains only to convince them of this

          Quote: Petr1
          The United States will not last forever, they will disappear as they appeared. The Jewish state will simply be torn by the hands of the Arabs, do you understand that?

          We have been hearing this for 70 years, but we will return to our sheep - so how is it with Finland?
          1. An60
            An60 2 July 2016 15: 33
            0
            And Israel is in the ring of friends. NATO is on your side ....
          2. Petr1
            Petr1 2 July 2016 15: 49
            0
            [quote = atalef] We have been hearing this for 70 years, but we will return to our sheep - since there is Finland? [/ quote

            70 years ago, Jewish society was removed from a shovel in a crematorium, the Finnish army was defeated by a Russian soldier, and the United States clung to the winners.
    2. tomket
      tomket 2 July 2016 10: 08
      -5
      Quote: Petr1
      GDP does its work, offset +

      Work so far is expressed in a talking room. How many divisions and armies are planned to be FORMED, and not theoretically transferred to the Finnish direction?
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 July 2016 10: 23
        -4
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: Petr1
        GDP does its work, offset +

        Work so far is expressed in a talking room. How many divisions and armies are planned to be FORMED, and not theoretically transferred to the Finnish direction?

        What does it matter * If Finland is in NATO - in any case, it will be necessary to strengthen the Armed Forces (in all births) in this direction - and this is an additional cost and a lot.
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 2 July 2016 13: 11
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          If Finland will be in NATO


          Whether Finland will join NATO does not depend on Russia and the activity of its troops near the Finnish border, and even less so on Finland, who will ask them, the Chukhons. It depends solely on how much the Washington Regional Committee wants this entry. If the states really need this for some of their needs, they may be against the Finns by all 100% of the population, they may object and worry about GDP, but Finland will slowly but surely end up in NATO. An example is Montenegro, where 70% of the population opposes joining NATO, they are rebelling, demonstrations are being held, but the country is still hiding in NATO and will be there, don’t go to your grandmother.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 July 2016 14: 39
            -2
            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            Will Finland join NATO not depend on Russia and the activity of its troops near the Finnish border

            And from this the same.
            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            It depends entirely on how much the Washington Regional Committee wants this entry.

            Well, if so, why aren't Finns in NATO? Years so 50?

            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            . If the states really need this for some of their needs, then all 100% of the population may be against the Finns, they may object and worry about the GDP, but Finland will slowly but surely end up in NATO.

            And before they did not want?
            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            An example is Montenegro, where 70% of the population is against joining NATO, they are rebelling, demonstrations are being held, but the country is still hiding in NATO and will be there, don’t go to your grandmother.

            Was there a referendum or something like that?
  8. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 2 July 2016 08: 41
    +3
    Russian troops will stand along the border, this is half the trouble for the Finns, but the fact that our "vigorous" missiles will direct them to them?
    They are not talking about any protection, they are simply "allies" want to use as a buffer or battlefield.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 2 July 2016 08: 56
      0
      Already used, apparently a little seemed to them. Mysterious Finnish soul: come to us for shopping, but at the same time we are afraid of you and will threaten you.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 July 2016 09: 22
      0
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      but the fact that our "vigorous" missiles will direct them to them?

      Why shoot nuclear weapons in Finland?
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 2 July 2016 10: 34
        +1
        In order not to repeat the story of 75 years ago and new blockades appeared. They will oppose Russia - they must be completely destroyed. No compromises needed anymore.
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 2 July 2016 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why shoot nuclear weapons in Finland?


        And for fun. They have a population of all of Finland less than the people living in St. Petersburg alone. Plus forests are full. They will scatter along these forests, there will be one Finn per one square kilometer - and how to deal with them in this case? This is where the bomb is useful. Not one of course, but so much so that the scorched desert remains from the Finnish forests. This should be popularly explained to the Finns BEFORE joining NATO.
  9. Abbra
    Abbra 2 July 2016 08: 53
    0
    Pure schizophrenia among Finns will even think about the Russian threat ... They will be allocated - to forbid to sell alcohol to the Finns in Russia! drinks
  10. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 2 July 2016 08: 55
    +4
    Quote: Petr1
    GDP does its work, offset +

    Offsets, then offsets. Only enemies more and more. It is time to learn from the experience of Israel. Life and prosperity in a hostile environment. laughing
    And the system, the economic and political system must be changed. We live by a primer written by enemies and wonder why our results are getting worse and worse.
    1. Petr1
      Petr1 2 July 2016 09: 47
      0
      will continue to work this way, there will be a good-natured environment :)
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 July 2016 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      And the system, the economic and political system must be changed. We live by a primer written by enemies and wonder why our results are getting worse and worse.

      Can we change the primers first? Well, at least like that of Israel ... Long live the progressive taxes, the Central Bank to withdraw from the captivity of the IMF, to expel the New Harvard from the government ...
      You look, and without shocks everything will work out ... Or is it a utopia?
  11. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 2 July 2016 08: 58
    0
    Remove the vest)))
  12. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 2 July 2016 09: 00
    +1
    Karl Mannerheim, by the way, was a citizen of the Russian state (the Principality of Finland) and served faithfully in the Russian army with the rank of Colonel (graduated from the General Staff Academy) and then he did not start the assault on the Mannerheim line. There is nothing to touch in vain. But as a joke, they promise not to sell vodka and gas to the Finns near Vyborg and it will be sensible for residents of the Finnish border
  13. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 2 July 2016 09: 01
    0
    Putin said Putin did.
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    2. Igor39
      Igor39 2 July 2016 09: 27
      -3
      And so he did ...
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      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 2 July 2016 10: 32
        +6
        And so it is. hi I apologize that is not the topic.
  14. slava5553
    slava5553 2 July 2016 09: 06
    -1
    NATO, for a long time, has become more a commercial organization than a military one. After entering the bloc, only a unit of all the members of this bloc can afford it. In Finland, after the Euro-sanctions and our anti-sanctions, things are not going well anyway, and then after joining NATO, we can block the entire transit of cargo, and Finland is basically a transit country. And they will resemble the rest of the Baltic. So the question remains, is it necessary for the Finns or Uncle SAMU?
  15. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 2 July 2016 09: 08
    +1
    Something more global needs to be done than turning off the tomatoes, with the forest, with gas ..... Measures should not be at the Finnish level, but at the level of the main customer-kashchei ... and the needle should be thicker for him, without it all this fall apart, you can’t collect .........
  16. engineering
    engineering 2 July 2016 09: 09
    +1
    I watched the press conference of both leaders very carefully this morning, Our fellow never lowered his head or looked down, this is a miracle that represented the Finnish state and his eyes were dull and his little head bowed, and that the most interesting thing was that little eyes were running like that " tatya ". State Department instructions are above all. The Finns do not take into account one thing, that they do not have such as Karl Gustav Mannerheim and our troops are not in a state of 1939.
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 2 July 2016 10: 37
      +1
      And the Finns next time may simply not stay.
  17. BOB044
    BOB044 2 July 2016 09: 10
    0
    Vladimir Putin put everything right. Finns themselves decide either peace or tension at the border. And Russia will decide after the Finns. How do we act.
  18. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 2 July 2016 09: 12
    +2
    We respect the choice of the Finnish people!? !!! But to you!
    We have already respected the Ukrainian people! And what did you get? In 1917, they respected the choice of the Finnish people. What did you get? Drift towards Germany and war!
    In the 80's, with respect to the opinion of Germany, the GDR was returned; in the 90's, Yeltsin was scampering around the Baltic For our and your Freedom! List to continue?
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 July 2016 09: 54
      -3
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      In the 80's, with respect to the opinion of Germany, the GDR was returned; in the 90's, Yeltsin was scampering around the Baltic For our and your Freedom! List to continue?

      And how were you going to keep them?
      1. askort154
        askort154 2 July 2016 12: 03
        +2
        atalef ..... And how were you going to keep them?

        Only the "master" can keep vassals. Your reasoning on this topic is surprising. There were two "masters", now there is one (so far one). Either you are naive, or a provocateur. hi
  19. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 2 July 2016 09: 14
    +2
    I am simply touched by the leaders of the European states. How do you need to sanitize your brain in order to be afraid of a threat that does not exist in reality. To what extent should one not respect one's own people, in order to please the big brother, if something happens, under, (we will speak directly), a retaliatory nuclear strike, regardless of whose territory it was launched from, for this is NATO territory !!!
  20. anchabali
    anchabali 2 July 2016 09: 17
    +1
    Stop traveling to Finland to tourists in general, they will sing differently! And stop trading with them!
  21. yarik111475
    yarik111475 2 July 2016 09: 20
    +3
    Quote: AIR-ZNAK
    Karl Mannerheim, by the way, was a citizen of the Russian state (Principality of Finland)

    And what does that change? Kolchak was also. And Vlasov was a general of the Red Army. Like Karbyshev. However, the point is not who they all were, but who they became. And that’s the difference. Someone became a traitor, someone fought against their homeland and people, and someone refused betrayal and remained faithful to their duty.
  22. sergey2017
    sergey2017 2 July 2016 09: 27
    +1
    Since his election as President of Finland in 2012, he has been visiting Russia for the seventh time. The sanctions policy towards Moscow only spurred him to communicate with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Finnish president suggested, without waiting for the lifting of sanctions, to come up with a new way of cooperation to circumvent these measures! Vladimir Putin correctly said: “Moscow will respect any choice of the Finnish people on the issue of joining NATO,” and politically correct Finland hinted that when it joins NATO and what the response of Russia will be!
  23. 1536
    1536 2 July 2016 09: 32
    0
    Well, give them money to these Finns so that they don't want to join NATO! For nothing, perhaps we saved them from the Swedes in due time. Now it would be "Great Sweden", but no, Finland, you know. Again, the favorite place of all our Social Democratic revolutionaries. And close and fascism, as in London, no one wants to fill the face for an accent.
  24. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 2 July 2016 09: 35
    0
    But in the end, Finland joins NATO and there’s nothing to put pressure on them, which sanctions they have already imposed, the rest will hit us. Let’s say thanks to those people who turned our country into a raw materials appendage.
    I didn’t even understand about 1.5 thousand km, but what about the ZVO?
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 2 July 2016 09: 37
    0
    Quote: AIR-ZNAK
    It’s sensible for the inhabitants of the Finnish border to promise not to sell vodka and gasoline in Vyborg and near Finns
    good
    They do not understand any installation of boards and other deflections. It offers a comrade. And tighten the nuts on other fronts.
  26. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 2 July 2016 10: 11
    +2
    An adequate answer is to prohibit the Finns from selling alcohol in Russia - in general, any! laughing
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 11: 08
      -1
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      An adequate answer is to prohibit the Finns from selling alcohol in Russia - in general, any! laughing

      And not only ... Finns are tied to Russia, crime can be connected! They live well so far ... hi
  27. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 2 July 2016 10: 15
    0
    If the Finns join the NATO, then Russia must join the NATO in order to break up this block from the inside and put it on everyone’s neck !!!
  28. atamankko
    atamankko 2 July 2016 10: 30
    +3
    Finns are not first graders and understand very well
    what is an adequate answer, let them think.
  29. Khariton
    Khariton 2 July 2016 10: 41
    0
    Well, who and the Finns will feel the difference ... There are certain tactical developments in this case. They will definitely have problems, in all respects! And they have already begun ...
  30. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 2 July 2016 11: 17
    0
    I hope the Finns have enough intelligence to maintain independence.
  31. PValery53
    PValery53 2 July 2016 11: 41
    0
    After the "incident" with Hitler, there is nothing to attach Mannerheim to Russia. The termination of the supply of Karelian timber to Finland is a weighty argument for Finland not to join NATu. And without the Finns joining NATO, it is necessary to limit the squandering of Karelian timber. Let the cunning Finns "bazaar" their forests.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 2 July 2016 13: 30
      +1
      Quote: PValery53
      Let the cunning Finns "bazaar" their forests.


      They are therefore cunning Finns, because they do not bazaar their forests, but love them, cherish and cherish. Urban apartment buildings often stand right in the middle of the forest and mushrooms with berries can be collected at the entrance of your house. And they have very clean rivers and lakes, where any possible fish lives. And it’s interesting, for example, a river flows from us to them, naturally polluting, as expected, all that they could, ours was poured into it. And cross the Finnish border - the same river, but already clean, just some kind of devilry. And the net at the border stands so that the Finnish fish does not swim to us and does not swallow our dirty water ...
  32. libivs
    libivs 2 July 2016 11: 57
    +1
    The main danger is that in the West we have ceased to be taken seriously at all. Just debited, a bit prematurely true. (The media’s alarming hype does not count, it’s for raising morale and increasing military budgets.) When the USSR was there, yes, they saw a very serious rival in it, who could easily organize a lot of trouble. Hence the practical readiness of neighbors like Finland to cut coupons from mutually beneficial economic cooperation. Here is to take Norway of those times, an active member of NATO, how many benefits did the Norwegians get from the position of the front-line country? But the Finns did it. After the collapse of the USSR, the situation changed radically. Any Western country, even some Romania, not to mention developed countries, began to perceive Russia as nothing more than a semi-colony, where they themselves see themselves as masters, accustomed to the immediate fulfillment of their Wishlist. A gradual aggravation of relations, starting in 2006, is perceived there as just a small rebellion of capricious Russians. How's Pikul? The bug bite, the bug will be crushed. It is from this that the current desire of the Scandinavian neutrals to join NATO flows, saying that for this we still will not have anything. And of course, do not underestimate the influence of the hegemon, the United States will certainly be very happy to get another 1500 km.
  33. Khariton
    Khariton 2 July 2016 12: 47
    -4
    Okay, let's see what's what ... soldier
  34. iouris
    iouris 2 July 2016 13: 38
    -3
    There may not be enough money for retaliatory measures. The population is poor.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 July 2016 13: 42
      -1
      Quote: iouris
      The population is poor

      - Yeah, just like the 90s in the yard, right? fool

      Quote: iouris
      There may not be enough money for retaliatory measures

      - if you didn’t consider other people's money. This is a bad habit, and not everyone treats it with understanding (s)
  35. kolexxx
    kolexxx 2 July 2016 14: 16
    +2
    Yes, the Finns are NATO and it is not necessary for nothing, but the politicians bought persistently drag Finland into the abyss of conflicts with Russia!
  36. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 July 2016 14: 13
    0
    Probably enough for practical actions of "our partners" to answer with words, maybe it's time to answer in deed?
  37. tyler2
    tyler2 3 July 2016 14: 35
    0
    Everyone will get what they deserve, as always.