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Russia's nuclear missile shield bursts due to the "Mace"

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The transition to the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet) of the new strategic-purpose missile cruiser (SSBN) “Vladimir Monomakh” was again postponed until the end of the year. The reason - the inability of the main weapons cruisers, missiles "Bulava", guaranteed to hit the target.


Make a rocket in the same place, where "Topol" and "Yarsy". They have no complaints. So, the problem is not in production, to which the developer, the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering (MIT), refers, but in the design flaws of the weapon itself. For land rockets, a transport and launch container (TLC) is used. In it, a rocket travels to the launch site, from which it starts. Sea missiles were loaded into the mine of a submarine without a TPK, its role was played by a mine. So it was until the Mace appeared. For her, they implemented a special scheme: they began to load a rocket in the mine, which is located in the TPC. It is difficult to find a logical explanation for this solution.

In order not to lose too much in the diameter of the rocket, the developer provided a gap between the inner wall of the container and the rocket several times smaller than the gap between the inner wall of the shaft and the rocket. For Americans, for example, the gap between the container and the rocket is smaller than 20 mm. We and the Americans have this gap determined by placing the horizontal damping necessary to ensure the safety of the missile during underwater explosions at a safe distance for the boat. For Bulava, this problem is solved by depreciation placed in the gap between the transport and launch container and the mine. Therefore, the gap between the rocket and the container can indeed be smaller. But it should be sufficient for loading the rocket into the transport and launch container and for the safe launch of the rocket. This is where the questions arise.

When making a working drawing, the designer indicates not only a linear dimension of the part, but also an tolerance for this dimension (plus / minus). Tolerances are determined mainly by the accuracy characteristics of factory machines, presses and other equipment. For this reason, they are never null. These dimensions are controlled by control devices. If the size is in tolerance, then the item is checked. Here it should be noted that the control devices themselves have errors.

Much more difficult with determining the size of assembly units. Their sizes and tolerances for these dimensions are determined by calculations using complex methods of dimensional chains and are already probabilistic values. How does this affect the inside diameter of the transport and launch container and the outer diameter of the rocket? The container is made on a bending mill, followed by welding along a longitudinal seam. The shell of the rocket stage is a reeled cocoon that is not subjected to any machining in outer diameter. It is clear that, taking into account such production technologies, the tolerances for these diameters will be far from zero. And they are difficult to control, given the length of the container and the rocket. Plus, the inevitable distortions of the container and the rocket both in length and in circumference. In addition, there are non-perpendicularity of the docking surfaces of the steps to the theoretical axis of the rocket and temperature changes in the dimensional parameters of the rocket and the transport and launch container due to the temperature difference in the mine of the submarine.

Thus, the rocket is a articulate-compound object with a deviation in all the dimensions specified above, which is located and starts from the transport-launch container, which is also not an ideal cylinder. At the same time, most of the significant dimensions cannot be directly measured, but are calculated and probabilistic.

Essentially, the only criterion of compatibility between the rocket and the container is the fact: the missile “climbed” into the WPK or not ... But the rocket is being dragged into the container at low speeds. The rocket, while not being an absolutely rigid object, “adapts” to the container without large transverse overloads. Another thing start. In this case, the speed of the rocket in the container is very high, and all the bends of the rocket are accompanied by high transverse overloads. At the same time, they are not constant along the length of the rocket and increase in those areas where the degree of deformation increases. If in some areas the transverse overload exceeds the allowable, the individual components of the rocket, located in these areas, have the right to fail.

Thus, in this model it is possible to explain why failures occur in various nodes of the Bulava rocket and practically do not recur. But sometimes the rocket flies. Obviously, in this case, the selected gap between the transport-launch container and the rocket turned out to be commensurate with the technological tolerances.

How can all this be "treated"? The most correct thing is to discard the transport and launch container from the mine and begin designing the rocket from scratch. In this case, we come to the project “Mace-45”, proposed at the beginning of the 2000-s. If you leave the container, it is necessary to increase the gap by reducing the diameter of the rocket. But in this case it is necessary to design a rocket from scratch. You can also consider options with an increase in the diameter of the rocket mines, but what about the already manufactured submarines? You will also need to redesign the transport and launch container and work out a way to start.

MIT, not recognizing its error in the design, however, should not repeat it in Bulava-M, the development of which is already underway. Apparently, in connection with the upcoming alterations of the rocket, it was decided to continue service at least until 2020, of the heavy underwater missile carrier Dmitry Donskoy, which is used as a test platform. About this TASS reported a source in the Russian military-industrial complex. It can be assumed that the new rocket does not have to wait before. Until that time, the strategic component of the Pacific Fleet, in which all hopes were on the SSBN of the 995 and 995А projects, turned into a “lame duck”. After all, no one guarantees that the “Bulava” will be able to reach the designated target.
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  1. mad
    mad 3 July 2016 19: 05
    +11
    I read the article and immediately AvtoVAZ pops up in my head (((Damn, you can bring it to mind and in the garage .. and with a rocket how? You need to change the system approach.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 3 July 2016 19: 09
      +89
      Quote: mad
      It is necessary to change the systematic approach.

      Have you opened a link to the source? I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author. request
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 July 2016 19: 15
        +54
        I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author.

        nothing opens for me either. Obviously some stuffing out of the blue.
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          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 3 July 2016 19: 37
            +6
            Oh .. but still there is no author. Therefore - disa.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 3 July 2016 19: 42
              +47
              Quote: Wedmak
              Oh .. but still there is no author. Therefore - disa.

              And most interestingly, the article does not indicate that of the last 12 launches, only 1 was unsuccessful ...
              1. Amnestied
                Amnestied 3 July 2016 19: 46
                +40
                Article in the firebox, stuffing clean water!
                1. lelikas
                  lelikas 3 July 2016 21: 00
                  +16
                  Quote: Amnestied
                  Article in the firebox, stuffing clean water!

                  Good article ! I came home from work, and here such a "bonus" - hot neighing. :)))
                  the author took and decided (substantiated) all the problems in one fell swoop.
                  This should be printed out and in specialized research institutes in gold frames to hang up.
                  1. i80186
                    i80186 3 July 2016 22: 22
                    +11
                    Quote: lelikas
                    Good article ! I came home from work, and here such a "bonus" - hot neighing. :)))
                    the author took and decided (substantiated) all the problems in one fell swoop.
                    This should be printed out and in specialized research institutes in gold frames to hang up.

                    If the author of the article about R-36M containers in mines tell that he will do that? laughing
                    1. Temples
                      Temples 4 July 2016 06: 08
                      +6
                      Essentially, the only criterion for compatibility between a rocket and a container is the fact: the rocket "climbed" into the TPK or not ...


                      One word - I.D.I.O.T.
                      1. DenZ
                        DenZ 4 July 2016 08: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Temples
                        One word - I.D.I.O.T.

                        This is still put it mildly. The reasoning at the level climbed, did not climb --- without comment.
                  2. Bath
                    Bath 4 July 2016 13: 36
                    0
                    author of excess mnaga bukaf not assured go to gazenvagen and upeysa ap stin
                2. Alexey-74
                  Alexey-74 4 July 2016 08: 02
                  +1
                  Comrades, do not pay attention .... another "genius" and a connoisseur of everything that happens under the heading "sov.secret" .... laughing
                  1. sub307
                    sub307 5 July 2016 17: 25
                    0
                    Yes, there is such an article: http: //nvo.ng.ru/armament/2016-07-01/2_red.html
            2. VP
              VP 4 July 2016 05: 09
              +2
              On VO materials under which the posting "forget" to leave a signature more than "to the fig".
              I wrote about this on the forum administrators that this is not right. They answered that everything is red. I did not raise the issue anymore.
            3. kolobok63
              kolobok63 4 July 2016 09: 59
              0
              I’m just wondering where such information comes from? I would even say with a taut liberal soul! am Maybe Svidomity fuss! (Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine) ... Author in the studio !!! hi
        2. Andrey K
          Andrey K 3 July 2016 19: 41
          +28
          Quote: Wedmak
          nothing opens for me either. Obviously some stuffing out of the blue.

          I tried to go through - it falls out: "access is closed." Removed the article marker - went to:
          "Nezavisimaya Gazeta" (www.nvo.ng.ru). They write about themselves modestly and with taste:
          "One of the largest periodicals in modern Russia, devoted to topical issues of social, political and cultural life in Russia and abroad. It has been published since December 21, 1990. Editor-in-chief - Konstantin Remchukov. General Director - Konstantin Remchukov.
          Independent Military Review The most authoritative publication of Russia in the field of military topics, weapons, military-political concepts, the situation in the armies and special services of the world "
          laughing
          1. Foresterer
            Foresterer 3 July 2016 20: 04
            +15
            An independent, long unreadable newspaper. No one who respects himself will be printed there. Yes, in this case, even the author is not specified. Why does VO host this?
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 3 July 2016 20: 10
              +3
              Quote: Foresterer
              Why does VO host this?

              Physics to remember, his non-libroid education and purely neighing
            2. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev 3 July 2016 22: 06
              0
              Quote: Foresterer
              Why does VO host this?

              I absolutely agree with you. Anonymous scribblers have no place in VO.
              1. VP
                VP 4 July 2016 06: 09
                +1
                Quote: evge-malyshev
                Anonymous scribblers have no place in VO.

                The administration of the resource does not agree with you and does not see any problem in this.
              2. icas
                icas 4 July 2016 08: 13
                +1
                This is an article by the editor of "NG"
            3. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 3 July 2016 23: 52
              +2
              This nonsense is very similar to Ukrainian. In the period of exacerbations. The author of the article is Poroshenko? Co-authored with McCain?
              Although what am I talking about. Immediately, not a word about the most powerful army on the continent ...
          2. icas
            icas 4 July 2016 08: 04
            0
            After several comments in the forum of this "newspaper" I was thrown out (from the forum) without explanation - the "newspaper" is "independent".
            Attempt to enter - "Your login is blocked". Here is such a der_mocracy for the money of S_SHP.
          3. Simple
            Simple 4 July 2016 12: 38
            0
            Quote: Andrey K
            Removed article marker - went to:


            look here (everything opens):
            http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2016-07-01/2_red.html
            from 01.07.2016
            or

            http://vpk.name/news/158757_raketnoyadernyii_shit_rossii_treshit_izza_bulavyi.ht
            ml

            From the editorial board of "NVO" (01.07.2016)
        3. Rust0626
          Rust0626 3 July 2016 21: 15
          +2
          In the link in https, remove s and the article will be released
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        5. Bayonet
          Bayonet 4 July 2016 05: 03
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          nothing opens for me either. Obviously some stuffing out of the blue.

          It opens, you just need to select the link and go to it. This article is in the "independent military review".
        6. Absurdidat
          Absurdidat 4 July 2016 10: 46
          +1
          This is not a throw-in, it is a release of the production of inflamed consciousness.
        7. Rus2012
          Rus2012 4 July 2016 11: 12
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          nothing opens for me either. Obviously some stuffing out of the blue.

          http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2016-07-01/2_red.html

          ... yes, no author!

          But, the whole article is something of a type of student essay 1 course ...
          TPK mine visas and clearances. And without specifying the values ​​... :)))

          MIT has vast experience in the construction of missiles in the TPK: both PGRK and mine placement. Like Miass including ...
          What nonsense ?!
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 3 July 2016 19: 27
        +24
        The author "heard something somewhere." This can be seen immediately if he knows about the error of the measuring instruments. Only the tolerances in rocketry and aviation are average - 0,05. But with regards to the TPK and the axial runout in the container (as the author states - 20mm), this is not a tolerance. This is the desire of the competitor (what ???). to shove unpushable into the missile silo. And the accuracy of hitting from these 20mm nifiga does not depend. Do not forget that the rockets are transported by ordinary railway before being loaded into the mine, and there are shock loads oh-oh !!! And transportation by rail is provided for by the design assignment. What's with the container, what's without. So the article is a competitor's cry. There is no way to combine the best, so they will stubbornly drown each other - just get funding, but the result is ideal ???
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 3 July 2016 21: 14
          +18
          Quote: NDR-791
          So the article is the cry of a competitor.

          This is nonsense in vegetable oil!
          Afftor is not familiar with the system of tolerances and acceptance at the enterprises of the military space industry! Not a single process or operation will pass acceptance if the tolerance is not normal.
          And the delirium about the TPK is an attempt to accuse the cartridge case of a missed bullet ... Who smoked (or at least tried) a real port (!), He remembers the aluminum container in which it was stored ... Well, if the cigars were packed like that saved, then what about the ICBMs!
          Quote: NDR-791
          missiles before loading into the mine are transported by the usual railway, and there shock loads oh-oh !!! And railway transportation is provided for in the design assignment.
          There are no "shock loads" there. The special trains get under way so that the water in the glass does not sway, and the special wagons have a shock absorption system and gimbal suspensions of which Roll Rois will envy. And loading into the mine proceeds in millimeter steps, and the crane operator closes the boxes of matches with a multi-ton hook without damaging it ...
          Dreamer, damn it, this affor!
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          2. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 4 July 2016 07: 42
            +3
            Alexander, there are no gimbal suspensions there. A special frame leaves there, the product is fastened with special bandages. But the depreciation system is reliable and of course there are no loads. In addition, there is a gas analysis and temperature control system. The guard car is chic, almost NE. Regarding the box - there is more from the head depends on the understanding of the crane operator and the head. Poorly visible from above. But with normal interaction of the boxes you can close :). You move the product literally in millimeters.
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 4 July 2016 12: 04
          +1
          Quote: NDR-791
          This is the desire of a competitor (which ???). cram into the rocket shaft unforgettable. And the accuracy of hits from these 20mm nifiga is independent.


          According to the photo -

          there "bosses" are clearly thicker than a matchbox, which naf 20mm?

          And on Topoli the gap between the TPK and the product may be something comparable ...
          1. Simple
            Simple 4 July 2016 13: 33
            0
            Quote: Rus2012
            there "bosses" are clearly thicker than a matchbox, which naf 20mm?

            this is not a m / u wall TPK and a rocket. These are "shoes" with a missile and a launch pad.

            These are shock absorbers (PM belt of shock absorbers), the R-30 has the same "bosses" (TPK and PS) are the same:

            this is loading / unloading by crane and Uncle Vasya in the cold, wind and rocking at the pier, depreciation in the submarine during the database.

            Quote: Rus2012
            And on Topol the gap between TPK

            you will not see shoes flying off the R-30

            other restrictions on TPK, other requirements for overloading ("fiddling vertically" on water)
            1. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 6 July 2016 15: 24
              +1
              In 4K-75, 3M-40, 3M-37, too, nothing flies, and what follows from this? Some have PMA in the mine, some on the product.
        3. Simple
          Simple 4 July 2016 13: 18
          +1
          Quote: NDR-791
          This is the desire of a competitor (which ???). cram into the rocket shaft unforgettable.


          Part of the devices (shock absorbers) designed to damp the shock loads on the rocket are located in the gap between the walls of the shaft and the launching sleeve. The improvement of these devices and the reduction of the gap between the shaft and the launch pad made it possible in the 70s to install large-size SLBMs (Poseidon-SZ) in the shaft of the Polaris-AZ missile.


          Quote: NDR-791
          Do not forget that the missiles are transported to the mine by the usual railroad before loading, and there shock loads oh-oh !!!

          say the same ...


          Vibration up to 30 Hz (transport) short-term (up to 50 ms) overloads reaching 4g (this is a civilian, household, not a LITER, this is how they carry: electronics, glass, chemicals, fuel and other "tenderness"), mainly during the formation of compositions. Efforts on road curves reach an average of 0,1g. Average vibration frequency 16 Hz. Since the bottom frames of containers for handling at least 2g (citizen). Efforts during loading and unloading can reach 40g for 2 ms and 36g for 1,5 ms- this is a household, citizen, a typical container with junk

          this is all garbage compared with accelerations acting even on a civilian launch vehicle (both in magnitude up to 10g and in time: tens to hundreds of seconds)



          P-30 = Weight - 36.8 tons of thrust more than 90 tons mass drops, thrust not (+/-) = overload?

          -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
          The vertical forces arising in the TPK during keel and vertical pitching can reach 1,5-2g.

          Missiles will start from a depth of 50 m (5 atm) at a submarine speed of the order of 10 km / h (2,78 m / s) and sea waves up to 5 points. The rocket exit speed from the mine from 5,75 m / s (try entering the water at a speed of 21 km / h)

          hydrostatic pressure of water at the start depth, longitudinal drag force, rocket weight and friction force during rocket movement in the launch tube, acoustic pressure on ICBMs when starting from a glass, hydrodynamics of passage of the sun and the interface between the media, etc.
      3. sub307
        sub307 3 July 2016 19: 30
        +9
        Vladimirets
        "Did you open a link to the source? I can't get through, there are vague doubts about the author's competence." I just tried to link to the source link, there is no page. So, there is no "author" yet .... In terms of content, I think just like you.
        Voobshe looks like "bullshit after midnight" ...
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      5. dauria
        dauria 3 July 2016 19: 41
        +11
        I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author.


        Likewise. Is this the first rocket for designers? And they do not know the subtleties and bottlenecks that arise at different stages from production to operation? Too simple, a man came - "yes, here you have a mess here." It's hard to believe.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 3 July 2016 22: 40
          0
          Quote: dauria
          What designers have is the first rocket in life? And they do not know the intricacies and bottlenecks that arise at different stages from production to operation?
          They know. Only in Mace did two major problems converge at once. The first is not a very successful design. this happens even with good designers. And the second is systemic, associated with the degradation of industry as a whole.
          • The main problem of the “Mace” was not in some of the initial defects of its construction. The main problems started at the assembly level. After several unsuccessful launches of the Bulava, checks were carried out at all levels of the production process. The results of the checks turned out to be deplorable: the rocket was assembled, as God willingly puts it, with gross violations of technology, they even spoke about fake details. One of the experts (this time without quotes) who participated in such a test, in a private conversation admitted that the build quality of the Bulava was comparable to the build quality of cars at AvtoVAZ.
          This is an excerpt from here.
          http://army-news.ru/2010/11/obektivnyj-vzglyad-o-bulave/
          Moreover, the article under discussion is in many ways far from technical realities. But this does not make the P-30 a model of weapons.
          1. Moore
            Moore 4 July 2016 05: 08
            +5
            You already had a "stick flying out of a container" about a month ago, so sorry, but you shouldn't judge the level of "industrial degradation" without knowing the capabilities of the Votkinsk plant.
            Now for the article.
            Essentially, the only criterion for compatibility between the rocket and the container is the fact: the rocket “climbed” into the TPK or not ... But the rocket is pulled into the container at low speeds. The rocket, not being an absolutely rigid object, “adapts” to the container without large transverse overloads.

            The author is generally aware that the rocket inside the container is not in a state of, say, mines inside the barrel of a mortar, but is fixed there with support and obturating belts? That its diameter is 2m, and the inner diameter of the "Bulava" container is 2.1m. is the clearance between the shell of the rocket and the container 5 cm? What kind of "adaptation" of the rocket to the container can we talk about ?!
            Conclusion: on the "nezaviska" published another blunt stuffing with a claim to technical analytics.
            1. Verdun
              Verdun 4 July 2016 12: 21
              0
              Quote: Moore
              but you should not judge the level of "industrial degradation" without knowing the capabilities of the Votkinsk plant.

              Sorry, but if you believe that all components of the rocket, as well as many other types of weapons, are created in one single plant, then you should not argue on such complex technical topics. The problem is that, as it is not sad to admit it, the content of many comments on the level of their technical literacy matches the criticized article.
              1. Moore
                Moore 4 July 2016 12: 38
                0
                Sorry, but if you believe that all components of the rocket, as well as many other types of weapons, are created in one single plant, then you should not argue on such complex technical topics.

                No, I don’t think so. I can hardly imagine the procedure for accepting elements from subcontractors by the local military representatives. As if personally familiar. Therefore, do not make hasty conclusions, otherwise the stick will fly out of the container again - the "familiar conscript" will not lie .. laughing
                1. Verdun
                  Verdun 4 July 2016 13: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Moore
                  "familiar conscript" will not lie ..

                  If something contradicts your understanding of the world, this does not mean that it does not exist.
                  There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio
                  For example, until a certain point, I also did not expect that under the usual, at first glance, stump, the entrance to the multi-story underground command post may be hidden.
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        2. asiat_61
          asiat_61 4 July 2016 07: 16
          0
          I don’t have anything to do with missiles, just like MIT. The question arises, how did they get an order for the design of what they never did in their life? The shoemaker, and not the baker, should grind the boots. That's the question. That's why this racket flies through time. How much money was thrown away (or vice versa attached).
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 4 July 2016 07: 22
            +1
            Quote: asiat_61
            That's why this racket flies through time. How much money was thrown away (or vice versa attached)

            Well, yes, yes ...

            And the comment that’s over yours is for you to read. You look, and you wouldn't write nonsense ...

            Quote: Moore
            The author is generally aware that the rocket inside the container is not in a state of, say, mines inside the barrel of a mortar, but is fixed there with support and obturating belts? That its diameter is 2m, and the inner diameter of the "Bulava" container is 2.1m. is the clearance between the shell of the rocket and the container 5 cm? What kind of "adaptation" of the rocket to the container can we talk about ?!
            Conclusion: another blunt stuffing with a claim for technical analytics was published on the "nezavisk"
            1. asiat_61
              asiat_61 4 July 2016 08: 15
              -1
              What kind of rocket did MIT design? There are design bureaus that have been doing this all their lives. It's like Sukhoi-Super Jet. They decided to do what they never did. I don’t argue that you can design everything. But is it worth it to reinvent the wheel. Well, I’m very curious about bending the rocket it's funny.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 4 July 2016 08: 24
                +4
                Quote: asiat_61
                What rocket did MIT design?

                - The mace ... you will not believe, probably belay

                - The problem was that MIT never developed sea-based missiles. But - it flies, by the end ... and flies well yes

                Quote: asiat_61
                About the bend of a rocket by the author, well, very funny

                - there’s a lot of funny things ... I liked it so much

                a rocket is a jointed object with a deviation ...
                1. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 4 July 2016 08: 31
                  -5
                  And again, money is for fish. There is a missile-building design bureau. That's where they should be engaged in missiles, and not everyone who has a hairier hand. Dry example.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 4 July 2016 09: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: asiat_61
                    And again, money is for fish. There is a missile-building design bureau. That's where they should be engaged in missiles, and not everyone who has a hairier hand. Dry example.

                    - Hard case... what okay:

                    JSC “Corporation Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering” (MIT) is a defense research and production enterprise located in Moscow (Otradnoye district). Full name - Open Joint-Stock Company “Corporation“ Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering “”. Main products - strategic and tactical combat missiles

                    During the existence of MIT completed more than 60 completed and ongoing development of rocket and other equipment, both military and civilian:
                    for strategic missile forces:
                    Temp-2C complex;
                    RSD-10 complex "Pioneer";
                    RT-2PM "Poplar";
                    RT-2PM2 "Topol-M";
                    RS-24 "Yars" and their modifications;
                    for ground forces:
                    2K1 Mars tactical missile system with an unguided solid-fuel rocket;
                    tactical missile system 2K4 Eagle Owl with an unguided solid rocket;
                    Luna family of tactical missile systems with unguided solid-fuel rockets (Luna, Luna-M, Luna-MV, Luna-TS, Luna-3);
                    9K76 Temp-S operational-tactical missile system with 9M76 missile;
                    for the navy:
                    RPK-1 anti-submarine systems "Whirlwind" (82P rocket),
                    RPK-5 "Rainfall" (85RU rocket),
                    RPK-9 Medvedka (MPT-1UE rocket torpedo);
                    for the air forces and navy aviation:
                    unguided missiles S-2, S-5, S-21, S-24,
                    AS-71 system
                    products for engineering troops, the Military Space Forces, Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation

                    So clearer?
              2. Verdun
                Verdun 4 July 2016 12: 06
                +2
                Quote: asiat_61
                What kind of rocket did MIT design? There are design bureaus that have been doing this all their lives. It's like a Sukhoi-Super Jet

                A person simply does not know that in our country there are factories and institutions, the name of which may in no way be related to their occupation. For example, there is ... or rather, there was a trolleybus repair factory in Moscow, the employees of which were extremely surprised when during the restructuring they sent a trolleybus to repair them at the direction of someone who was apparently too reorganized.)) Before that, they had seen trolleybuses then on the road. Nevertheless, your illustration about the Superjet, oddly enough, got into the topic and largely illustrates the situation with the Mace. Perhaps many simply are not aware that miscalculations were made in the design of the fuselage and the Superjet glider. These miscalculations were compensated by an increase in the thickness of the skin, which negatively affected the weight characteristics of the machine.
                Because trusting the design bureau, which has never been engaged in the development of civil aircraft, where other requirements and standards, to create a passenger liner is a bad idea. So with MIT - trusting them to design sea-based missiles that they never created was also not the best solution.
      6. Locksmith
        Locksmith 3 July 2016 19: 50
        +10
        Quote: Vladimirets
        doubts are vague in the competence of the author.

        Well, yes, librarian, damn it "So the rocket is an articulated object" laughing
        1. Berkut24
          Berkut24 3 July 2016 20: 36
          +10
          It is a pity that the KB does not read such articles - they would neigh. But seriously, the rocket body is always made of composites and metal on templates with very tight tolerances. The author is full of nonsense. I don’t remember at all that during testing the Bulava got stuck in a container, “ripped off the sides”, etc. At the same time, I imagined how the product "adapts" to the container .... Does the dude even know what kind of overload the product experiences when it accelerates to the 1st cosmic speed? This is not a sausage!
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 3 July 2016 20: 42
            +4
            Does the dude even know what kind of overload the product experiences when it accelerates to 1-th space speed? This is not a sausage!

            It seems that the dude read somewhere about the transverse vibrations of the rocket in flight (it really sausages there like a sausage on the grill, but there are engineering solutions that compensate for these forces). Well .. a little imagination.
          2. Are
            Are 3 July 2016 21: 08
            +14
            You cannot seriously read an article.
            advice (answer) to the collective author from "NG" --- grease the rocket with grease and there will be no problems drinks
          3. Dmitriy66
            Dmitriy66 4 July 2016 07: 20
            0
            this miracle scribbler is probably a worker from a meat factory .....
          4. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 6 July 2016 15: 36
            +1
            Quote: Berkut24
            But seriously, the rocket body is always made of composites and metal on templates with very tight tolerances. The author is full of nonsense. I don’t remember at all that during tests the Bulava got stuck in a container, “ripped off the sides”, etc.

            As far as I remember, all the tears and scratches were measured with ultrasonic thickness gauges, the tear depth of a couple of hundredths of a mm was already the subject of a major trial with all the ensuing.
      7. meriem1
        meriem1 3 July 2016 20: 00
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: mad
        It is necessary to change the systematic approach.

        Have you opened a link to the source? I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author. request


        AND NOT SIGNED !!!! In the process, the stuffing is liberal before the election
        1. Manul
          Manul 3 July 2016 22: 23
          +2
          Quote: meriem1
          In the process, the stuffing is liberal before the election

          The first thing that comes to mind is liberal diarrhea. In fact, it seems that even the same "Poplar" flying out of the container loses pieces of the obturator rings. Any rocket can be placed in any silo and container using the shutters.
      8. Fregate
        Fregate 3 July 2016 20: 13
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Have you opened a link to the source? I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author.

        Quote: Wedmak
        nothing opens for me either. Obviously some stuffing out of the blue.

        I, too, did not open anything from the link. But I entered nvo.ng.ru into a search engine and there was a certain "Nezavisimaya Gazeta" in which there really is such an article.
        1. aba
          aba 3 July 2016 20: 40
          +2
          in which there really is such an article.

          ... and also without author’s indication. Apparently fears for his life for revealing military secrets! laughing
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 4 July 2016 01: 02
            +1
            Quote: aba
            ... and also without author’s indication. Apparently fears for his life for revealing military secrets!

            The editor takes up the reason and the author quickly finds himself. The article is utter nonsense. About forty years ago, there was a case when a locomotive crashed into a train with a rocket, two soldiers were killed, the carriage with the rocket went off the rails, but the rocket did not move off the mounts even tenths of a millimeter.
      9. 2s1122
        2s1122 3 July 2016 20: 21
        +4
        The author is almost a genius belay in rocket science, but the engineering team of the Design Bureau is so-so.
      10. vlade99
        vlade99 3 July 2016 22: 22
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        doubts are vague in the competence of the author. request

        There are doubts that the author did not skip physics at school.
      11. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 3 July 2016 22: 39
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Have you opened a link to the source? I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author.

        And what kind of nuclear submarines pr.995 and pr.995A? Never heard.
        The last launches were in November 2015, successful, launches from 13 to 24 all left the containers properly, what does the author of the article write about?
        1. Simple
          Simple 4 July 2016 17: 58
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          And what kind of nuclear submarines pr.995 and pr.995A? Never heard.

          K-535 "Yuri Dolgoruky" = 955
          "Prince Vladimir" = 955U "Borey-A"

          wink
          VPC News has its own classification ... at times
      12. 73bor
        73bor 3 July 2016 23: 07
        +1
        Crap on vegetable oil, if only the problem is linear, then the manufacturer is worthless, I don’t understand why TPK on a nuclear submarine, after all, before the launch, the mine is flooded with water and the pressure is equalized, where does the TPK go after launch - does it burn out?
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 4 July 2016 00: 20
          +1
          Quote: 73bor
          73bor

          A solid-propellant rocket is launched from a "DRY MINES". The term "ROARING COW" refers specifically to SSBNs with liquid-propellant missiles, at the time of the flooding of the mines before launching the missiles.
          1. pl675
            pl675 4 July 2016 02: 48
            +6
            the error came out.
            the term "roaring cow" appeared much earlier, this is the first generation of our apl.
            and this has nothing to do with the flooding of the mines, our boats and without these exercises rattled mom do not worry.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 4 July 2016 11: 18
              0
              Quote: pl675
              the error came out.
              the term "roaring cow" appeared much earlier, this is the first generation of our apl.
              and this has nothing to do with the flooding of the mines, our boats and without these exercises rattled mom do not worry.

              Here is a link to us MYTHS of the USA. And the term that means "Roaring Cow" in US PLOShnikov. https://topwar.ru/60293-mify-ssha-revuschie-korovy-sovetskogo-vmf.html
              1. pl675
                pl675 4 July 2016 14: 40
                0
                comrade, you don’t need to try to convince me with links, just lose time.
                take my word for it (no links), the term "roaring cow" was born much earlier than the technology of launching a crushing plant with a flooded mine.
                not everything that is posted on the net is true, and not everything needs to be believed.
                no, no, I do not dissuade you from believing in Santa Claus, maybe he is, what the hell is not joking.
      13. rpek32
        rpek32 4 July 2016 01: 17
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Have you opened a link to the source?

        не благодарите
        http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2016-07-01/2_red.html

      14. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 4 July 2016 06: 09
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Have you opened a link to the source? I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author. request

        For your phrase soon + will be more than for the article itself. wink
      15. Jack-b
        Jack-b 4 July 2016 06: 18
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Have you opened a link to the source? I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author.

        In the https link, replace with http. But the source article is without an author, so this will not help you.
        Shl. On the other hand, I do not have much confidence in the "independent newspaper" at all. What can you expect from a newspaper whose owner and editor-in-chief is a regular echo of matzo?
      16. lukewarm
        lukewarm 4 July 2016 13: 35
        0
        In competence as a rocket scientist - maybe they do. About admission and so on. - stated correctly, although it is well known to a person with a technical education. The PROBABLE reason is also described logically. But everything else is SECRET. In the "successful-unsuccessful" part. And the author of this simply cannot know, and if he does, he cannot speak. There was a lot of screaming when the Bulava did not fly. Malevolent liberal as well. Then they stopped talking about it, announced that they were building boats for them. It goes without saying that "she flew ..." But no, it seems like ... As a matter of fact - those who are supposed to know.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 3 July 2016 19: 16
      +17
      Quote: user1212
      What is this nonsense?

      Quote: izya top
      what kind of educational program for teloha and controllers?

      Quote: Dart2027
      It seems the news was nothing like that, someone in the subject?

      These are colleagues, it seems like a provocative throw and smells very bad. am ANONYMOUS AUTHOR, that under the articles it is very rare in the VO, the question is why was this posed? What would breed the srach on the forum? Provocation? Elections to the State Duma in the fall? It stinks badly. request Gentlemen, comrades admins, there is no need for anonymous articles, I would really like to look into the author’s eyes and discuss, and with anonymous names, I can only anonymously call a goat. laughing
      1. VP
        VP 4 July 2016 06: 34
        0
        Quote: vovanpain
        ANONYMOUS AUTHOR that under articles is very rare in

        Not rarely.
    3. Hon
      Hon 3 July 2016 19: 38
      +5
      This is not a priority, they wanted to make unification, failed, but the problem is that the boats are already designed and built
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 July 2016 19: 40
        +1
        wanted to make unification failed

        Why failure, when there was a salvo of two missiles, there were successful launches. What kind of failure are you talking about?
        1. Hon
          Hon 3 July 2016 21: 06
          +1
          The rocket was redone many times, the time was delayed, as a result, an attempt to save, turned into high spending
    4. starogil
      starogil 3 July 2016 19: 40
      +13
      18.06.2016 17: 08: 23
      Commander-in-Chief of the Navy: the nuclear submarine "Vladimir Monomakh" will go to the Pacific Fleet by the end of the year
      Army and military-industrial complex June 18, 11:55 update date: June 18, 12:11 UTC + 3
      Strategic missile submarine "Vladimir Monomakh" © Lev Fedoseev / TASS
      KRONSTADT, June 18. / TASS /. The strategic nuclear submarine missile carrier of project 955 (code "Borey") "Vladimir Monomakh" will make the transition to the Pacific Fleet by the end of this year. The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Korolev, told the journalists about it.
      "This year, Borey will come there, as promised," said Korolev, answering the relevant TASS question.
      He specified that this will happen before the end of the year.

      A source in the military-industrial complex told TASS earlier that the transfer of Vladimir Monomakh to the Pacific Fleet is scheduled for August-September this year from the Gadzhievo base to Vilyuchinsk. At the base of the submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet in Vilyuchinsk there is now the submarine "Alexander Nevsky", which arrived there in the fall of 2015 from the Northern Fleet.
      According to the source, the postponement of the arrival of Vladimir Monomakh to the Pacific Ocean is connected with the fact that the crew does not have time to complete all the course tasks this year for taking into combat forces and receiving missile weapons. “And without this, switching to Pacific Fleet is simply impossible,” the source explained. He did not confirm the evidence that the transfer of Vladimir Monomakh to Kamchatka was postponed due to the fact that the industry cannot arm it with a full missile ammunition this year.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 3 July 2016 21: 41
        +6
        Quote: starogil
        The postponement of the arrival of Vladimir Monomakh to the Pacific Ocean is due to the fact that the crew does not have time to complete all the course tasks this year for the adoption of combat-ready forces and missile weapons.
        I'm sorry, what??? And when the schedule for the introduction of GHG forces into the composition was, what, did they catch flies with their mouths? - Nonsense!
        Most likely the crew is preparing for an autonomous car. But, until the Civil Code is shot, there will be no admission. Then, apparently, the receipt of the BC will be a signal for the NATO PLO to deploy forces on the transition route. They will probably go by the northern route. So the main danger is Elk and Virginia. Probably our General Staff is looking for ways to neutralize and deceive ... therefore, the terms called by Korolev are for the press and mugs.
        In short, wait and see.
    5. Zloy ork
      Zloy ork 3 July 2016 20: 38
      -5
      It is necessary to invite the French as at the VAZ. They just tested their ballistic rocket - everything is good! And if what the author wrote is true, then these are the problems of engineers without education, or without work experience. "Wound cocoon" with errors? Is it getting stuck in TPK? We wove blocks of 16 liter engines for volumetric vacuum infusion, and have worked for ten years already. Commensurate with the size of the mace and the problems described - there is nothing to catch there. All the scoundrels who squandered people's money in prison !!!
    6. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 3 July 2016 21: 01
      +3
      SSBN project 995 was originally designed for the unique solid-propellant rocket "Bark" KB im. Makeev, who specialized in the creation of naval strategic ballistic missiles. It is for the rocket recreated by the Makeyev Design Bureau on its basis that the infamous Bulava should be changed, and not yet another Bulava-M should be created, which most likely will not be of any use either.
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 3 July 2016 23: 06
        +2
        The article is useful and timely. ... for pindagon analysts.
        Let the chosen ones be convinced that according to the article, not everything is in order with the Strategic Missile Forces.
        And in the meantime ... the Skif bottom ballistic missile is on alert 100 miles from Fashington at a depth where fish do not breed ...
      2. 73bor
        73bor 4 July 2016 08: 14
        0
        The Bulava project is a relic of the 90s, it was necessary to do your own thing with NTT and not get into the maritime theme!
      3. goose
        goose 5 July 2016 11: 47
        0
        Quote: Skifotavr
        SSBN project 995 was originally designed for the unique solid-propellant rocket "Bark" KB im.

        And it’s right that they gave MIT, the last products from Makeevtsev came out huge and heavy, did not give out their performance characteristics. IMHO Bark would have been finished much longer than the Mace.
    7. Juborg
      Juborg 4 July 2016 01: 58
      +2
      Someone decided to go to the toilet on the site and mess up everything. Admin, it's time to watch publications, if there is such an opinion, it should be based on something and not be unsubstantiated and have an author or source, it is still not a comment to write, but to make a statement, moreover, a discredit.
    8. sherp2015
      sherp2015 4 July 2016 07: 26
      0
      Quote: mad
      I read the article and immediately AvtoVAZ pops up in my head (((Damn, you can bring it to mind and in the garage .. and with a rocket how? You need to change the system approach.

      Questions to designers, engineers, technologists ...
      In general, it was not bad under Stalin at the time in "sharashki".
      Maybe it makes sense to transfer the developers somewhere to the New Earth? Where there are no distracting irritants in the form of TV, durDoma-2?
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 4 July 2016 07: 32
        +2
        Quote: sherp2015
        Under Stalin, it was not bad at the time in "sharashkas".

        Also not a reader laughing

        The article is complete, read the discussion ... you will be pleasantly surprised yes
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 4 July 2016 09: 17
          0
          Although the author is a blockhead, on the whole the message is correct: not everything is in order with the Strategic Missile Forces. It was not necessary to put all the eggs in one basket and rely only on nuclear forces, when in conventional weapons full alles.
  2. user1212
    user1212 3 July 2016 19: 06
    +7
    What is this nonsense? Didn't Latynina accidentally write?
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 3 July 2016 19: 46
      +4
      Most likely it will read, and then it will be issued as another exposure. But I do not despise her for this. On the 65th anniversary of Victory to insult live veterans ...
  3. izya top
    izya top 3 July 2016 19: 07
    +6
    what kind of educational program for teloha and controllers?
  4. Dart2027
    Dart2027 3 July 2016 19: 07
    +3
    And recently there have been unsuccessful launches of the Mace? It seems the news was nothing like that, someone in the subject?
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 3 July 2016 19: 16
      -24%
      Quote: Dart2027
      And recently there have been unsuccessful launches of the Mace? It seems the news was nothing like that, someone in the subject?

      Have you been successful lately? If there were successful starts, then every day they would blow. Perhaps really not everything is so rosy with a mace.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 3 July 2016 19: 40
        +10
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        If there were successful starts, then every day they would blow

        Here it is not necessary, huh? Unsuccessful launches were reported immediately. without trying to hush up.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 3 July 2016 20: 53
          +1
          What is true is true: the media talked a lot about the Bulava test launches. As I recall, the latter were successful, and the previous ones were unsuccessful
      2. Muvka
        Muvka 3 July 2016 19: 45
        +9
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        Quote: Dart2027
        And recently there have been unsuccessful launches of the Mace? It seems the news was nothing like that, someone in the subject?

        Have you been successful lately? If there were successful starts, then every day they would blow. Perhaps really not everything is so rosy with a mace.

        Of the last 12 launches, only 1 failed. In my opinion this is normal.
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 4 July 2016 07: 01
          0
          Quote: Muvka
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Quote: Dart2027
          And recently there have been unsuccessful launches of the Mace? It seems the news was nothing like that, someone in the subject?

          Have you been successful lately? If there were successful starts, then every day they would blow. Perhaps really not everything is so rosy with a mace.
          Of the last 12 launches, only 1 failed. In my opinion this is normal.

          About this case ?:

          The volley launch of R-14 Bulava rockets from the strategic missile submarine cruiser K-2015 Vladimir Monomakh, which took place on 30 on November 551, ended in partial failure. About this "Lente.ru" said sources close to the military department. One of the two R-30 Bulava missiles launched was unable to hit the targets at the Kamchatka Kura firing range.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 4 July 2016 08: 55
            0
            Quote: Phantom Revolution
            Quote: Muvka
            Quote: Phantom Revolution
            Quote: Dart2027
            And recently there have been unsuccessful launches of the Mace? It seems the news was nothing like that, someone in the subject?

            Have you been successful lately? If there were successful starts, then every day they would blow. Perhaps really not everything is so rosy with a mace.
            Of the last 12 launches, only 1 failed. In my opinion this is normal.

            About this case ?:

            The volley launch of R-14 Bulava rockets from the strategic missile submarine cruiser K-2015 Vladimir Monomakh, which took place on 30 on November 551, ended in partial failure. About this "Lente.ru" said sources close to the military department. One of the two R-30 Bulava missiles launched was unable to hit the targets at the Kamchatka Kura firing range.

            And I have a source that I will not name, and so he claims that America does not exist. So it does not exist?
            1. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 4 July 2016 11: 15
              0
              Quote: Muvka
              And I have a source that I will not name, and so he claims that America does not exist. So it does not exist?

              Ready to refute?
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 4 July 2016 11: 36
            0
            Quote: Phantom Revolution
            About this case ?:

            The volley launch of R-14 Bulava missiles from the K-2015 Vladimir Monomakh strategic missile submarine strategic cruiser (RPK SN), which took place on November 30, 551, ended in partial failure. About this "Lente.ru" said sources close to the military department. One of the two R-30 Bulava missiles launched was unable to hit the targets at the Kamchatka Kamchatka range

            - if you believe Vika (and here she, IMHO, you can believe ... once in a lifetime), then this one:

            The nineteenth launch failed. It was carried out on September 6, 2013 from the board of the Alexander Nevsky submarine in the White Sea. The missile, which was supposed to hit the target at the Kura training ground, nominally left the launch container, however, in the second minute of the flight, a second-stage control system malfunctioned, the engines turned off and it fell into the Arctic Ocean

            - 14.11.2015/2/XNUMX there were XNUMX launches. Vika says that "both launches were successful."

            If so, then comrade Muvka right - from the 13th to the 24th - all successful, except for the 19th.

            Somehow yes
      3. Forest
        Forest 3 July 2016 19: 52
        +5
        If there was a successful launch - no one talks about it, but if something breaks - then all the media will go to saliva. Read verified sources. The last launches went without an accident. Last accident - EMNIP, 10 starts back.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 3 July 2016 19: 56
          +3
          Quote: Forest
          If there was a successful launch - no one talks about it, but if something breaks - then all the media will go to saliva. Read verified sources. The last launches went without an accident. Last accident - EMNIP, 10 starts back.

          Not really. 19 launch failed. Of 24 like.
          1. fcsm1960
            fcsm1960 4 July 2016 07: 47
            0
            so at least it is written on wikipedia.
      4. Manul
        Manul 3 July 2016 22: 24
        +3
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        Have you been successful lately? If there were successful starts, then every day they would blow. Perhaps really not everything is so rosy with a mace.

        And here the author was found. laughing yes
  5. Olegater
    Olegater 3 July 2016 19: 07
    +1
    Dear forum users, is it really such a problem because of gaps that can lead to such problems? And earlier than you thought when they designed rockets and submarines with mines for these missiles?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 July 2016 19: 12
      -2
      Is such a problem due to gaps can lead to problems? - It can also lead to malfunctions and accidents - in all technical products.
    2. VP
      VP 4 July 2016 06: 38
      +1
      And why did you decide that there are problems with the gaps?
      Anonymously messed up?
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 July 2016 19: 08
    +3
    And what exactly explained the delay in the transition to the Pacific Fleet submarine missile carrier? And how we famously determined the guilt of MIT. No commissions are required, no need to be sorted out, it is a pity that the author is not the Minister of Defense, otherwise ...
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 3 July 2016 19: 08
    +10
    Oh ... where did this special come from the mountain? Yes, and knowing about such parameters as the gap between the TPK, the rocket and the shaft of the mine ??? FSB already left at?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 July 2016 19: 17
      +1
      Yes, it would be better if the 955s were armed with P29РМУ2 Liner missiles.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 July 2016 19: 24
        +3
        Yes, it would be better if the 955s were armed with P29РМУ2 Liner missiles.

        Why is it better? How many more would these P29 last? How much would we kill ANOTHER money THEN, for the development of a new rocket and submarine?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 July 2016 19: 33
          +2
          What does it mean they stretched out - they just released the new improved 29 ICBMs - in terms of throwing weight, firing range and accuracy of warheads, it surpasses the Mace, and so we spent money on a new missile, which in terms of basic parameters is inferior to the old one.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 3 July 2016 19: 46
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            What does it mean they stretched out - they just released the new improved 29 ICBMs - in terms of throwing weight, firing range and accuracy of warheads, it surpasses the Mace, and so we spent money on a new missile, which in terms of basic parameters is inferior to the old one.

            It is far superior to Liner in manufacturability - a solid-fuel engine is structurally incomparably simpler than a liquid one.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 July 2016 19: 49
              +1
              It would be nice if it not only surpassed Liner in manufacturability
            2. goose
              goose 5 July 2016 11: 52
              0
              Quote: 11 black
              a solid fuel engine is structurally incomparably simpler than a liquid engine.

              And the efficiency will always be less.
              But the cost of operation is also an important thing, the Americans even transferred warheads from plutonium to uranium in order to lower the cost of operation at a larger initial cost and weight.
          2. Muvka
            Muvka 3 July 2016 19: 49
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            What does it mean they stretched out - they just released the new improved 29 ICBMs - in terms of throwing weight, firing range and accuracy of warheads, it surpasses the Mace, and so we spent money on a new missile, which in terms of basic parameters is inferior to the old one.

            Well, at least on the mace maneuvering rhch, and a short booster section. Plus the mace is a bit lighter.
          3. Wedmak
            Wedmak 3 July 2016 19: 50
            +1
            Want to debate?
            What do you mean stretched - just released the new advanced ICBM R 29

            To what extent can they be improved? Indeed, money is also spent on this, and not small ones. And what's the point of equipping the 955 with an essentially old rocket? And then what is the point of doing Boreas, if there is 667BDRM? Well, file it a little, but what? Р29РМУ2 is better than a Mace, as you say? Well, let's squander the money for maintaining obsolete ships ...
          4. Monarchist
            Monarchist 3 July 2016 21: 02
            0
            Comrade commander-rank, you are so dashing with the performance characteristics of the Liner missile that you thought "are you the author of ... the missile" ¿
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 3 July 2016 21: 54
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Yes, it would be better if the 955s were armed with P29РМУ2 Liner missiles.
        In terms of naval missile defense deployed in threatened (missile) directions, only solid-fuel ICBMs with a short autonomous missile system can leave SM-3 blok A.
        This is recognized by the Ams, and this is what caused the adoption of the Bulava.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 July 2016 22: 11
          0
          This submarine still needs to get into the area of ​​presence of ships with missile defense systems - the probability is extremely small.
        2. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 4 July 2016 07: 29
          +1
          Alexander, this issue was resolved by some changes in the "schedule" of the product's flight back in the 90s. The range, however, was somewhat reduced because of this. Not critical.
        3. goose
          goose 5 July 2016 11: 56
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          In terms of naval missile defense deployed in threatened (missile) directions, only solid-fuel ICBMs with a short autonomous missile system can leave SM-3 blok A.
          This is recognized by the Ams, and this is what caused the adoption of the Bulava.

          This applies only to the Barents Sea. In other operational areas, including in the Far East, the ability to intercept R-29 on take-off is vanishingly small.
    2. user1212
      user1212 3 July 2016 19: 17
      +5
      Quote: Wedmak
      FSB already left at?

      There is no time for travel. Laughing would not move the horses. This "isspert" should be shown in the circus
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 July 2016 19: 20
        +3
        This "isspert" should be shown in the circus

        Well, that’s good. Although ... such experts dofiga today.
    3. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 3 July 2016 22: 36
      +2
      yes - left :) - a whole column of Gelendvagens went to check the addresses - even "operatives" got into the media :)
  8. joopel
    joopel 3 July 2016 19: 12
    -1
    So you need to redesign everything quickly. What should we build a mace. But seriously, they will bring the product, they will not go anywhere.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 3 July 2016 19: 51
      +4
      Quote: joopel
      So you need to redesign everything quickly. What should we build a mace. But seriously, they will bring the product, they will not go anywhere.

      You will look at the statistics of launches and understand that the article is junk.
      1. joopel
        joopel 3 July 2016 20: 44
        0
        I completely admit. Most likely this is the case and the article does not reflect anything. An attempt to catch in public, to be noticed and admired.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 3 July 2016 20: 48
          +1
          Quote: joope
          Most likely this is the case and the article does not reflect anything. An attempt to catch in public, to be noticed and admired.
          .
          Well yes! Admired 54 times already, and the article hangs less than 20 minutes.
          What the author is not in the subject, the more he flaunts the terms
    2. joopel
      joopel 3 July 2016 21: 52
      +2
      I would assign disability for lack of a sense of humor. Are you not sad to live, pessimists?
  9. corporal
    corporal 3 July 2016 19: 15
    +5
    What did the author want to say? That our engineers are not familiar with CAD systems? Or metrology? Or that we have "calipers" curves?
    Maybe the reason is something else?
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 3 July 2016 19: 20
    -3
    So, the main thing now is not to flog the fever-20mm, the thickness is small and you can simply increase the diameter of the outer shell of the rocket by this amount and not create a rocket from scratch that will take years. You can also install a reinforced container in the shaft of the boat whose wall thickness allows you to choose a gap between it and missile without alteration of both boats and missiles.
  11. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 3 July 2016 19: 27
    -1
    In general, the author is clearly a punker — the problem is solved simply by choosing a parsing between the outer wall of the rocket and the wall of the missile shaft, right up to installing a thin-walled container with reinforced stiffeners in the boat’s shaft and loading the rocket into this container rather than launching this gap from its container.
  12. satelit24
    satelit24 3 July 2016 19: 35
    -9
    Several years ago, the news showed how the GDP was present in three launches of Bulavs and all 3 failed! After that they said that the Bulava was taken out of production, but it looks like they are poking around with it recourse
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 3 July 2016 19: 52
      0
      Quote: satelit24
      Several years ago, the news showed how the GDP was present in three launches of Bulavs and all 3 failed! After that they said that the Bulava was taken out of production, but it looks like they are poking around with it recourse

      Literate, take a look at the statistics of rocket launches. At first she did not fly, but now everything is fine with the rocket.
    2. user1212
      user1212 3 July 2016 19: 53
      +3
      Quote: satelit24
      Several years ago, the news showed how the GDP was present in three launches of Bulavs and all 3 failed! After that they said that the Bulava was taken out of production, but it looks like they are poking around with it

      What kind of fiction? The mace was not removed from production. Putin personally never attended a single launch. Do you have phantom Putin like Ukrainians? laughing
    3. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 3 July 2016 22: 38
      +2
      damn it, we’ll take it and viburnum will not start and the hands of the UAZ fly off :) - and then the mace doesn’t fly too, you have to :)
  13. Tusv
    Tusv 3 July 2016 19: 39
    +6
    That’s all, gentlemen, bald with pshek. Tremble distinctly. We’ll aim at the landfill in Kamchatka, and we’ll hit you. Alas, a design flaw non-perpendicularity of the connecting surfaces of the steps to the theoretical axis of the rocket
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 3 July 2016 19: 39
    -3
    It may not be in the container, but there are problems with the mace, and the boat has not yet gone to Kamchatka.
  15. Bizer
    Bizer 3 July 2016 19: 40
    +2
    The nuclear missile shield of the state because of the Bulava (if what is described is true) cannot crack in principle. The guaranteed destruction of strategic objects of the enemy's military-economic potential is ensured by the ground group of the Strategic Missile Forces and the constituent forces of the Aerospace Forces. The issue is with some problems of the naval component of the "nuclear shield", but no more.
  16. serverny
    serverny 3 July 2016 19: 55
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    It would be nice if it not only surpassed Liner in manufacturability

    A solid-propellant rocket will never surpass a liquid-propellant one in terms of performance characteristics - this is impossible by definition. Even the Tridents from a country where solid fuel technologies are much better developed are head and shoulders above the Sineva.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 July 2016 20: 05
      +1
      A solid fuel rocket will never surpass a liquid rocket in terms of performance characteristics - this is impossible by definition

      Each type has its own strengths and weaknesses. And to say who has surpassed whom is not correct.
      1. Manul
        Manul 3 July 2016 22: 27
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        Each type has its own strengths and weaknesses. And to say who has surpassed whom is not correct.

        But after the development of capsulation of liquid fuels, liquid fuels really gained credibility. Is not it?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 4 July 2016 08: 19
          0
          But after the development of capsulation of liquid fuels, liquid fuels really gained credibility. Is not it?

          They added. But this is just fuel storage technology. Everything else remains, I'm not special of course, but you need to drive the fuel to the engine, moreover, very quickly. And these are pumps, pipes, valves and other very heavy equipment. And in general, working with liquids in conditions of wild acceleration is not the most pleasant thing.
          Why do you think the 941 project is so big? But because of the liquid rocket, there were no others at that time. The designers actually shoved the non-editable, using a catamaran scheme from two buildings, between them rockets stand.
          Solid rockets are much smaller in size. And the smaller the submarine, the more difficult it is to detect.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 July 2016 22: 14
      +1
      “Even the Tridents from a country where solid-fuel technologies are much better developed are head and shoulders above Sineva.” “What's this?
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 3 July 2016 22: 30
      0
      Quote: serverny
      solid propellant rocket does not surpass liquid in performance characteristics

      Well, it depends on who does both. But the TT has one advantage - this is the absence of operational problems caused by the fact that the fuel is liquid.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 4 July 2016 07: 23
        +1
        You can’t even imagine what problems solid products have.
  17. Dora2014
    Dora2014 3 July 2016 19: 55
    +32
    Gentlemen forum users! In civilian specialty I am an aviation engineer, in military - reserve officer of Strategic Missile Forces. Responsibly declare: the article is bullshit! Without breaking the state secrets, I can say one thing: each (!) Aircraft and each (!) Rocket before leaving the final assembly workshop are checked by laser devices in TENS (!) Points for compliance with the given parameters. Measurement error - no more than 0,1 (!) Mm per 150m (!). There are also various other mandatory (!) Procedures. What gaps and distortions does the author rave about? !!!!! By the way, I agree: in recent years there has really been a surge in provocative articles in highly specialized fields. Just rape the brains of non-specialists.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 3 July 2016 20: 33
      0
      Quote: Dora2014
      Each (!) aircraft and each (!) rocket before exiting the final assembly workshop is checked by laser devices in TENS (!) points for compliance with the specified parameters. The measurement error is not more than 0,1 (!) Mm per 150m (!).

      And after transportation, is it checked?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 July 2016 20: 39
        +4
        And after transportation, is it checked?

        Of course! If a sledgehammer creeps between the rocket and TPK, then everything is fine. If not, the same sledgehammer and correct.
        Do you seriously think that it’s so easy to damage a rocket in a TPK by transporting it by train or ship? And it seems to me that the cars there are also not standard freight.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 3 July 2016 20: 52
        +4
        Quote: Pilat2009
        And after transportation, is it checked?

        And why, it is securely attached. laughing
        1. kirieeleyson
          kirieeleyson 3 July 2016 21: 59
          +7
          On the American site Global Defense, one visitor left a cool comment under this photo: "I'm afraid to imagine what the Russians carry in closed wagons, if they carry missiles in open ones."
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 3 July 2016 21: 17
      +1
      Ober-lieutenant, thank you very much for the information, or even really after the article, thoughts went: "The defense industry's affairs are sucking" or: "What are military secrets in FIG if the newspaper reports such details?"
  18. serverny
    serverny 3 July 2016 19: 56
    +8
    The article itself is a graphomaniac delirium and a 100% unproven informational sketch.
    For prevention purposes, it would be good for such a deprivation of the right to write for 2-4 weeks.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 3 July 2016 20: 03
      +3
      Quote: serverny
      The article itself is a graphomaniac delirium and a 100% unproven informational sketch.

      For what syllable! From the point of view of the paradoxical emotions of the liberal - tectonic worldview
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 3 July 2016 20: 33
      +3
      Quote: serverny
      In order to prevent it, it would be good for this to deprive the right to write for 2-4 weeks

      - not "weeks", not enough. Of the year. Without the right to correspond laughing
  19. BOB044
    BOB044 3 July 2016 19: 59
    +2
    The article is muddy somehow. It looks like a disu.
  20. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 3 July 2016 20: 01
    +1
    There were a lot of questions about Bulava, a lot. As far as I understand, in the era of the drunk, MIT gnawed out an order thanks to the authority of Solomonov to stay afloat, although he never did anything like that. They tormented her pretty much, once after two she fell, then she seemed to fly, although the norgs were shocked pretty much by a "disco" in the sky. But so that there is a problem with the container - it's all dregs, like the article itself.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 3 July 2016 21: 15
      0
      Quote: iliitch
      There were a lot of questions about Bulava, a lot. As far as I understand, in the era of the drunk, MIT gnawed out an order thanks to the authority of Solomonov in order to stay afloat, although he had never done anything like this.



      MIT is a very highly professional and reliable, stable organization ... The word "gnawed out" is probably too rough ... Yes, the struggle between design bureaus of developers for orders was always waged, even in Soviet times ... But it seems to me that MIT got this an order to somehow unify both land-based and sea-based ICBMs ...

      I could be wrong...

      However, now, after enormous financial, material and intellectual resources have been invested in the development of the Mace, to say that this is all a soap bubble ???

      Well, how much did you need to collect in one pile of kamikazes who started and pushed through a deliberately failed project ???

      PS Even if, in the opinion of the author, the project is a failure, however, the combat capability of the naval component of Russia's nuclear triad is sooooo far from "cod" ...
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 3 July 2016 21: 45
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        Even if, in the opinion of the author, the project is a failure, however, the combat capability of the naval component of Russia's nuclear triad is well ooooo far from "cod" ...


        Yes, what a "crackle" there ... Everything is normal.
        It flew like stable, although the% of unsuccessful launches is a bit too much.
        As for MIT, I don’t argue about professionalism, but what was going on there in the early 90s, as elsewhere, however, yes. A friend from our group got there and told them. So the word "gnawed out" just fits the best - they announced unrealistically short terms, then they postponed it number of times. Well, so that they can immediately throw specialists from "Makeev", and, since the head developers are appointed? It would have been in service for a long time. But who needed it?
        The fact that the reasons for the failures are different indicates rather sloppiness during the assembly, plus it is quite possible sabotage, as it was with Protons recently. System defects were not allowed, fact.
        And the article sucks.
      2. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 6 July 2016 16: 17
        +1
        At the suggestion of Yakov Urinson and Defense Minister Sergeev, MIT was "appointed" as a supporting institute for the development of strategic missiles in all directions. Yakov Urinson maintained close relations with Yuri Semenovich Solomonov. At the same time, the topic of development was taken from the Institute of Armaments of the Navy and given to the land 4th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, commanded by Vladimir Zinovievich Dvorkin. Everything was decided at the level of personal contacts and preferences. When MIT got rid of the unsuccessful launches, the Makeev Design Bureau was called to rescue. Even on the Internet there is information on government contracts and purchases of the Makeev Design Bureau on the topic "Bulava" (I was even surprised that this is being published). It's just that MIT & Co dragged the cash flows onto themselves. And then who was in command of the government? Kasyanov. That's all it is lining up.
        Launching a marine rocket from a stationary mine will not be a big problem, which was done during the testing period of many complexes for launch development, but a land missile from a submarine mine is a problem.
  21. VladimS
    VladimS 3 July 2016 20: 05
    +3
    Quote: sub307
    Voobshe looks like "bullshit after midnight."

    Support!
    Just learn to finally quote correctly! t. army general smile
  22. sw6513
    sw6513 3 July 2016 20: 07
    +1
    An article without a single chance that it (information) can be trusted.
  23. barsik92090
    barsik92090 3 July 2016 20: 11
    -1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: mad
    It is necessary to change the systematic approach.

    Have you opened a link to the source? I can’t get through, doubts are vague in the competence of the author. request

    "Doubts" arise when passing the exam, and to discuss the design, you need to work as a designer and find that the modern young growth has no idea about the boring science for a young organism "Tolerances, plantings and technical measurements", in contrast to the fascinating method of developing design documentation using the volumetric design , when everything is assembled on computer models and looks very nice, but possible deviations in dimensions during manufacture, assembly and operation are ignored. Here, only an experienced designer with an old school of instruction can take into account and correct design errors in advance.
    1. VP
      VP 4 July 2016 06: 58
      0
      Actually nonsense. Full.
      And about the clearance-landing - in any university that produces designers with technologists there is a cycle of courses starting from the first year. And for auto-design systems, these categories are in the basic ones.
      All that remains is the assertion that a designer with experience makes fewer mistakes. Yes, a deep conclusion and a paradoxical observation.
  24. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 3 July 2016 20: 14
    +1
    = In this case, most of the significant sizes are not amenable to direct measurements, but are calculated and probabilistic. =

    That's the trouble :)) We need a quantum meter of probabilistic sizes !!
  25. masiya
    masiya 3 July 2016 20: 17
    -9
    they drove themselves into a dead end or something, they underdeveloped it and started manufacturing a deliberately six-month-old unit ... it smells like wrecking, how much dough has been ditched, time, resources of resources, now whatever one may say, you have to cut one new fig ... not a boat you cannot leave without rockets, you cannot leave anything that is available ...
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 3 July 2016 20: 30
      +4
      Quote: masiya
      they drove themselves into a dead end or something, they underdeveloped it and started manufacturing a deliberately six-month-old unit ... it smells like wrecking, how much dough has been ditched, time, resources of resources, now whatever one may say, you have to cut one new fig ... not a boat you cannot leave without rockets, you cannot leave anything that is available ...

      Why do you think so? The rocket has long been brought to mind. She flies well.
      1. masiya
        masiya 3 July 2016 21: 44
        +1
        where it flies ..!
      2. masiya
        masiya 4 July 2016 17: 11
        0
        Have you read this: Lord forum users! As a civilian, I am an aeronautical engineer, and a military reserve officer of the Strategic Missile Forces. Responsibly I declare: the article is bullshit! Without violating state secrets, I can say one thing: each (!) Aircraft and each (!) Rocket before leaving the final assembly shop are checked by laser devices in TENS (!) Points for compliance with the specified parameters. Measurement error - no more than 0,1 (!) Mm at 150m (!). There are also various other mandatory (!) Procedures. What gaps and distortions the author raves about? !!!!! By the way, I agree: there has been a recent surge of provocative articles in highly specialized areas at VO. They just rape the brains of non-specialists. "If not, then why the hell minus ... the expert too ...
      3. masiya
        masiya 4 July 2016 22: 06
        0
        you dear in vain deceive yourself, it is not brought to mind, and should not be minus .. you yourself can at least really look at things ... a crude rocket ... only a thorough study of it is required ..
  26. gammipapa
    gammipapa 3 July 2016 20: 31
    0
    With what fright should the military generally devote civilians to such details ??? Flies, does not fly it is a state secret so that. Who generally authorized us to know about this.
  27. Cat man null
    Cat man null 3 July 2016 20: 31
    +9
    In this way, a missile is a jointed object with a deviation for all the measurements mentioned above, which is placed and starts from the transport and launch container, also not a perfect cylinder. Moreover, most of the significant sizes are not amenable to direct measurements, but are calculated and probabilistic

    - It seemed to me alone that the author was slightly ... that ... off topic?
    - and just somewhere illiterate, uh? yes
    - "articulated object with a deviation" - just a masterpiece. Someday I will call someone at work, I will look at the reaction with interest. repeat
    1. Timur
      Timur 3 July 2016 21: 08
      +3
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      the author is slightly ... that ... not in the subject

      Yeah! I would be a little bit in the subject - I would have also woven quality! How so
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      "articulated object with deviation"
      yes without qualifications!
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 3 July 2016 22: 32
        +3
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        "articulated object with deviation" but without quality!


        Leaning Tower of Pisa ????? lol
  28. awg75
    awg75 3 July 2016 20: 33
    +1
    I am sure it will reach 3.14ndos and will not seem enough
  29. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 3 July 2016 20: 42
    +6
    Article shit throwing into the firebox.
  30. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 3 July 2016 20: 43
    +7
    In the past, I was a mechanic in the repair of technological equipment of the 6th category (now an installer of plumbing systems), and so, at our enterprise in 1995-2003 all tolerances on turbojet compressors were zero (the turbine shafts were ground to zero, the turbine blades were blown by the mouth, the balancing was done to zero) according to the author, the rocket is simpler than a broom, sculpt the tolerances as you want.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 July 2016 20: 48
      +4
      Well, what’s right, what's so complicated? laughing Three tanks, three engines, warheads, and a couple of chips.
  31. weksha50
    weksha50 3 July 2016 20: 48
    0
    "Russian nuclear missile shield bursts because of the Bulava "...

    Hmm ... Sometimes it appears give hand in hand ... pissing, incompetent hands ...

    What, the desire to draw attention to the article ???
    Or to beat MIT, and the accompanying military research institutes, and military acceptance, and the team of testers, and the state selection committee?
    Are they all "ivanushkidurki", or are they all traitors, making a "contribution" to the destruction of the country's defense capability?

    And how do land-based, but also "arthropods" Poplars and Yarsa start from pencil cases (TPK) ???

    I agree, it happens that in the race products are accepted - to put it mildly - "damp" ... It happens, it happens and it was and will be ... As the operation progresses, the troops make improvements ... But not to that extent ... And not on strategic nuclear weapons ... It is fraught, very fraught - and, first of all, for the heads of those who could allow such a thing ...

    "Cracking" ... I hope that the "cracking" Mace will be visiting a potential enemy ...
  32. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 3 July 2016 20: 59
    +3
    Designers and military are fools, and only an unknown author knows how bad everything is in Russia.
  33. Chulman
    Chulman 3 July 2016 21: 04
    0
    As if fools are sitting in MIT! The author of the article in the studio!
  34. pm.sv.3691
    pm.sv.3691 3 July 2016 21: 12
    0
    You can count anything, but the launches were and will be as if someone didn’t want it
  35. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 3 July 2016 21: 21
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    Oh .. but still there is no author. Therefore - disa.

    The article is not for us, for the Pentagon! There, too, are not fools, let Bosko break it.
  36. magician
    magician 3 July 2016 21: 23
    +1
    = When making a working drawing, the designer indicates not only any linear dimension of the part, but also the tolerance for this dimension (plus / minus). Tolerances are determined mainly by the accuracy characteristics of factory machines, presses and other equipment. For this reason, they are never zero. These dimensions are monitored by control devices. If the size is within tolerance, then the part passes control. Here it should be noted that the control devices themselves have errors. =
    apparently the author compares the manufacture of weapons with the manufacture of pans.
    Firstly, an underwater missile and an underwater launch missile are completely different missiles compared to land missiles. secondly, the Americans have not created anything new in the last 40 years, modernized, yes. Mace is a completely new type of missile for underwater base, it has other requirements.
    thirdly, it is economically difficult for us to pull such a burden as the creation of a promising rocket, it takes time and more than a dozen years. At the moment, we are embodying 70-80 years of development in the hardware, for this there are all technologies, there are more promising models, but there is also a budget and it.)))
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 4 July 2016 09: 46
      0
      Quote: wizard
      Tolerances are determined mainly by the accuracy characteristics of factory machines, presses and other equipment

      We had some kind of eccentric customers who demanded that the hole be a little less than 6 mm, so that the part stayed there, while the diameter of the part walked within 0.15 mm. That is, there was tolerance for the part and no hole
  37. atamankko
    atamankko 3 July 2016 21: 26
    0
    Something did not like the article, very simple
    the author operates with data, despite their secrecy.
  38. Monarchist
    Monarchist 3 July 2016 21: 26
    +4
    When registering, we were all obligated to give a link in the articles and in the comments, and to sign the articles. Dear administrator, work more carefully. And the article reminds me of a denunciation since 1937
  39. antivirus
    antivirus 3 July 2016 21: 31
    0
    .05 mm in conventional engineering is the norm. you can catch and, 01;
    That would wash money for 15-20 years and not check everything assembled with optics at least 1 time.
    Only glasses are placed randomly on the table, and even then they observe symmetry by eye.
  40. 1goose3
    1goose3 3 July 2016 21: 35
    0
    And the author of XTO !? What SOFA? Well, suppose the author convinced us, of sofas, that he was right. So what ? To the Swamp? Or something else ? For disrespect, to the author, ugh in the face. For the insult, again pah. Behind ... . The saliva is already over, but still Pah.
  41. mlad
    mlad 3 July 2016 21: 40
    +2
    The whole article is complete nonsense, if a rocket is damaged at launch, then it should collapse right at the start!
  42. Horse
    Horse 3 July 2016 22: 35
    +1
    This writer is clearly from "nenki", because only there is now the most hard-core nonsense
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 3 July 2016 22: 42
      +2
      Quote: Horse
      This writer is clearly from "nenki", because only there is now the most hard-core nonsense

      Dope with themselves in abundance.
  43. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 3 July 2016 22: 42
    +2
    The nuclear missile shield of Russia is bursting because of the "Bulava" -this is the author inspires himself .. or should we believe it ??
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 3 July 2016 22: 49
      +1
      Quote: Atlant-1164
      The nuclear missile shield of Russia is bursting because of the "Bulava" -this is the author inspires himself .. or should we believe it ??

      This must be believed by a probable adversary, in the world an existentially defeated adversary, everyone is a vomit, democral and exclusive. And that Boreas are toothless and cut the States by definition
  44. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 July 2016 23: 28
    0
    Search in Google for (RPKSN) "Vladimir Monomakh" immediately gives
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141229/1040669919.html
    So the author goes by the forest.
    But it is written beautifully, he was seduced, I repent.
  45. JD1979
    JD1979 4 July 2016 02: 03
    -1
    Is this the first rocket for designers? And they do not know the subtleties and bottlenecks that arise at different stages from production to operation? Too simple, a man came - "yes, here you have a mess here." It's hard to believe.

    Surprisingly FIRST. The article is complete nonsense, what are the tolerances? which TPK? if before they did normal rockets. Here the reason is different. The reason is the immoderately overestimated CHSV of the general designer of this Bulaveshka. Who can, out of a desire to promote himself, maybe cut down the dough, or both together, climbed into someone else's garden with his hooves. Without a doubt, all the rockets they made before deserve to be called the best, but! They are LANDLAND. And the "Bulava" rocket MORSKAYA, and starts in a completely different environment, with different physical properties, much different from the atmosphere, and also passes from one environment to another. And here the sphere of JSC "GRTs Makeev", which over the years of work with sea-based ICBMs knew all the subtleties and pitfalls in missile design, knew how and what to pay attention to. The first Borey, if I'm not mistaken, was designed for "Bark", which was incomprehensibly rejected, although because of this it was necessary to redo the mines to a smaller size. And all subsequent boats of the series fit the size of the Bulava. And if force majeure happens ... The money has been spent, the time has been spent, the boats are still without missiles. Quite mediocre, by the way, 1150 kg of thrown weight, against 3 tons for "Bark", although it is twice as heavy, but it also has more opportunities. The whole saga with "Bulova" is another example of the fact that everyone should mind their own business. MIT are land-based ICBMs, GRTs are sea-based, and there is no need to reinvent the wheel (re-treat the "childhood diseases" of products, build their own test benches when they were in the SRC, and much more). The result of exorbitant self-conceit is the resignation of Solomonov from the post, but leaving him as a rocket designer, but apparently self-conceit cannot make the rocket fly without problems. I still hope for a successful outcome, otherwise we will be left naked ... in the naval component of the strategic nuclear forces.
  46. HMR333
    HMR333 4 July 2016 02: 26
    0
    fake article! the bottom line is that the author writes about what he cannot know in fact! describing the problem of the container senya do you seriously think that your nonsense will affect smart people? people who create space rockets cannot make a container suitable; this is complete nonsense. The problems with the mace are connected with the rocket itself. So the article is another fantasy of the author!
    How does the administration skip such an obvious mess that misleads people ??? admins delete this article before you did not have such delusional articles right now through time!
  47. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 July 2016 02: 46
    +1
    Specific nonsense. Written by the first-year student of FZUshnik laughing
    1. user1212
      user1212 4 July 2016 03: 34
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Written by the first-year student of FZUshnik

      Everything is more tragic here. First, the author became a victim of the Unified State Exam, and then the Faculty of Journalism. With such wounds to the head, what are the tolerances? Only 20mm and "articulated object"! laughing
  48. Evil 55
    Evil 55 4 July 2016 03: 03
    0
    A clear throw-in. Or simply a crap ..
  49. Nehist
    Nehist 4 July 2016 05: 24
    -2
    I don’t know if the author is right or not, but the fact that Bulava has been trying to bring to mind more than 20 years is a fact !!!! So not everything is so good with her. As far as I remember, the submariners were against a solid-fuel rocket, somewhere about three months ago or four here on the site there was a detailed discussion almost with calculations and diagrams of what are the minuses of the Mace.
  50. Wolka
    Wolka 4 July 2016 05: 56
    0
    It may seem stupid, but what if you try on the principle of a grenade launcher telescope, such as a rocket container acts as the first booster stage (in a grenade launcher, the grenade case acts as a kind of barrel extension, due to which the grenade flies further and hits more accurately) at the moment of launch it leaves the rocket from mines overcoming a certain distance under water, jumps out of the water and opens up, then its own marching rocket engine is triggered and the racket moves to the target on its own. inside the shaft, the container moves along the guide rails, which must be ideal in parallel with each other with a very precisely calibrated diameter inside the shaft. And in general, who said that the rocket should be round in diameter, if you can’t keep the tolerances in the gaps, make the rocket at least square, hexagonal, and at least in cross section ...