Military Review

The Ministry of Defense became the creator of the army of the homeless

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The line of officers who do not have flats, for 3 of the year, was reduced only by 7% and makes up 113 thousand people


According to the report of the Russian Chamber of Accounts, which was received by Izvestia, the Defense Ministry’s line of non-housing officers from 2008 decreased only by 8600 people and by the end of November of the current year amounted to 113,8 thousand people, Izvestia reports.

56,4 thousands of them need permanent housing, which is necessary for officers after dismissal from the army, and 57,4 thousands - in service, which is intended to live during the service. Taking into account the total number of full-time officers in the army, there are thousands of people in 150, approximately two thirds of the military are currently without apartments. Also, contractors, who are not provided for the provision of individual apartments, are not taken into account.

At the same time, in the period from 2008 to 2010, the government spent more than 280 billion rubles on apartments for officers. The Ministry of Defense for the money for the officers acquired and built permanent apartments - 97 thousands, service apartments - 9,2 thousands. In addition, a thousand housing certificates were issued to the military by 21.

But most of the objects of the military department are still in operation. According to the Accounts Chamber data, as of 1 in October 2011, 775 residential houses, the total cost of which is 109,6 billion rubles, remain unfinished.

- The 2008 – 2010 housing commissioning plan is executed on 45%. Instead of 288 housing projects that were planned for commissioning, 129 was built and put into operation, the report of the Accounting Chamber noted.

In large cities, despite the requests of officers who, by law, have the right to choose any city in the country to receive an apartment, housing was not built at all. So, according to the auditors, in Moscow the unmet need for housing amounts to 9225 apartments and 2016 apartments in Rostov-on-Don. The situation is not saved and the courts - more than a thousand decisions were made in favor of the officers, but the apartments were not given for them.

However, some of those who received apartments cannot always live in them due to the lack of engineering and social infrastructure. A similar situation, in particular, is observed in the Moscow region Balashikha and Podolsk in the “military” microdistricts that are not provided with pharmacies, shopping centers, laundries, shops, and other social and cultural facilities.

In some cases - for example, in Podolsk - instead of monolithic houses for officers of the individual project, panel houses were built for officers. At the same time, the cost estimate for construction was also not reduced, although, for example, in Podolsk, the difference in cost was 423,8 million rubles.

As a result, the officers have unclaimed 3600 apartments, the cost of which exceeds 7 billion rubles. For the maintenance of this housing stock from the Ministry of Defense require more than 200 million rubles.

The Ministry of Defense keeps secret the reasons for such a situation. T. Shevtsova, the Deputy Minister of Defense, who oversees the housing program, declined to comment on the situation.

In an interview with Izvestia, the head of one of the departments of the Ministry of Defense, which deals with housing, said that most of the comments arose as a result of the reorganization of the management bodies responsible for the construction and further distribution of the housing stock.

- Previously, after the completion of construction, residential buildings were transferred to the balance of apartment maintenance units. Today they hang on the balance sheet of the property relations department, which pays for their maintenance. From here, 775 unfinished houses that are physically built and ready to move in, ”said the Defense Ministry spokesman.

According to him, there are only about two dozen houses throughout the country.

- This situation is mainly due to the bankruptcy of contractors who won the tender at the time, but could not fulfill their obligations. However, there are only a few such cases, the Izvestia interlocutor noted.

He also said that problems with social. infrastructure in the "military" neighborhoods due to the fact that the creation of pharmacies, shops, hairdressers and laundries should be handled by regional authorities.

- We only plan and build housing. The social sphere is also under construction, it’s just being done more slowly by the regions. In this regard, a situation arises when homes are already built, and supermarkets, schools, kindergartens, etc. are only planned, said a representative of the Ministry of Defense.

In addition, because of the bureaucratic procedures that are associated with the registration of land, ownership of buildings, transfer them to the balance of municipalities, setting in management companies for maintenance, about 90 of thousands of apartments are currently uninhabited.

- These apartments between the officers have already been distributed, and immediately after the completion of the paperwork, they will be able to enter them. The settlement of these apartments, according to our calculations, will take place in the first quarter of 2012, the source told Izvestia.

In the 2011 year, he said, approximately 30 thousands of permanent apartments and about 10 thousands of service buildings were built for officers. In 2012, construction of 25 thousand permanent and 10 thousand office apartments is planned.
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  1. Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 29 December 2011 18: 20
    +7
    Shame, what can I say!
    1. Max79
      Max79 29 December 2011 18: 26
      +1
      And besides, such a percentage of those who voted for EDRo !!!! What did you think?
      1. Artemka
        Artemka 29 December 2011 18: 50
        0
        Why don't they vote? The military also raised their salaries at times. Not everyone is true.
        1. petor41
          petor41 29 December 2011 19: 09
          +8
          There is a flip side to the coin! All servicemen who graduated from higher educational institutions after 2005 were provided with their own housing as senior lieutenants, under the program of military mortgages! And all the young officers are just getting high on this system! You just started to serve, and they immediately give you 2.500.000 rubles of a loan to buy your apartment and you don’t pay a dime for it yourself (only Muscovites are bad, they can’t buy anything with this money)! Why is everyone silent about this! We can only discuss the bad, they don’t give a damn about the good!
          1. petor41
            petor41 29 December 2011 19: 26
            +3
            I recently bought my own awesome apartment in a new area, with a fine finish, settled in and live without any haemorrhoids - why don’t I vote for EP and Putin! The whole family goes to the presidential elections to vote for GDP!
            1. Anatoly
              Anatoly 29 December 2011 19: 43
              +7
              Happy for you.
              And now the question is - what feeling will your laudatory praises cause for officers who are waiting for their well-deserved housing promised by the state for 10-20 years? Which huddle in rented apartments, and modules, dormitories.
              You write to them whom to vote for!
              1. wvivon
                wvivon 29 December 2011 19: 45
                0
                for a bank loan wink
              2. petor41
                petor41 29 December 2011 20: 49
                +5
                Less emotions, I can’t answer for everyone! My father, a serviceman, is provided with housing in full, I am a serviceman, is provided with housing in full, my comrades with whom I studied, are provided with housing in full, except for Muscovites! For some reason, no one is talking about this, can it be bad then, or how to understand your cons and comments ?? This site has one problem, it turns into a forum of housewives who have nothing to do with the army! I have been in the military system since I was 14 years old (starting from the Suvorov military school)! I write how things are in the army and what kind of mood people and I are minuscule and generally say that I write complete nonsense and this can not be !!!!! Whose opinion will you rely on? An active member of the military or the yellow press, who from year to year speculates on old myths ????? All military personnel who have been waiting for housing for 10-20 years are now actively providing them, I see every day that a particular lieutenant colonel has received an apartment! The military has not complained for a long time, and those who sympathize with everyone whine and whine, everything is bad and bad, because they absolutely do not want to accept positive information, and exaggerate the negative 10 times!
                1. petor41
                  petor41 29 December 2011 20: 54
                  +2
                  Once again suffered for the truth! Foreman again angry
                  1. karimov01
                    karimov01 30 December 2011 16: 22
                    0
                    petor41,

                    Yes, do not worry, you will become a real generalisimus yet !!!!!!!! lol
                2. wvivon
                  wvivon 29 December 2011 20: 58
                  +5
                  petor41,
                  everything can be ...... especially if the general’s son fellow
                  1. Anatoly
                    Anatoly 29 December 2011 21: 05
                    -1
                    This is what it looks like. I especially liked the line - "Every day I see that this or that lieutenant colonel received an apartment"So we will serve men until two large stars fall on our shoulder straps! crying
                    And this naive idea that we did not and do not serve in the Army! heard firsthand! Eprst!
                    1. 443190
                      443190 29 December 2011 21: 11
                      +2
                      And I saw how the colonels .... practically homeless ...
                      1. urzul
                        urzul 29 December 2011 21: 48
                        -6
                        "Seen as" are the keywords of your phrase. did not attribute to the present !!!
                      2. GRIGORIY1957
                        GRIGORIY1957 30 December 2011 02: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: 443190
                        And I saw how the colonels .... practically homeless ...

                        EVERYTHING IN LIFE HAPPENS ... sad
                    2. petor41
                      petor41 29 December 2011 21: 16
                      +3
                      Anatoly, there are no words! On the site about the army to write nasty things about the military man! My father graduated as a lieutenant colonel, and I am a captain! And I serve far from Moscow, but the fact that you serve or have served me is in great doubt!
                      1. Anatoly
                        Anatoly 29 December 2011 21: 24
                        +2
                        Yes, I’ll look at it - warrior warrior - discord!
                        I have friends, with my family and children in rented apartments all my life. In the rank of majors and captains. And here is the captain - for beautiful eyes he got an apartment for 2.5 lama! You should take a closer look at the forum. And to understand that not everyone is so stupid - to serve in the second ten and not know about the military mortgage! It turns out so simple? but we didn’t know!
                        True, she is multifaceted, a young man. And to doubt - go to another site. We also do not slurp cabbage soup.
                      2. petor41
                        petor41 29 December 2011 21: 31
                        -1
                        I do not know in what army of the world you serve and served! Read on the internet, I don’t know, ask someone, now all the military personnel graduating after 2005 receive housing under the MILITARY MORTGAGE program, there are already no queues or whatever there is for them! This is a new form of housing! One gets the feeling that the Internet and the real world are two parallel realities, in real life there is a mortgage, it is not on the Internet! Who to believe wink
                      3. Anatoly
                        Anatoly 29 December 2011 21: 34
                        +3
                        No queues? the article we are discussing - have you read?
                      4. petor41
                        petor41 29 December 2011 21: 36
                        -1
                        I'm talking about young officers! They have no queue! The queues are "old-timers" who acquired the right to housing before the military mortgage!
                      5. 443190
                        443190 30 December 2011 09: 42
                        +2
                        There is such a program. That's just as always divided us into 2 camps. Those before ... and those after. In the end, you can count on an apartment on a military mortgage to a young lieutenant and forget about it to the old major. Classics of the genre ... SHARE AND POWER !!! A kind of order 400.
                3. petor41
                  petor41 29 December 2011 21: 25
                  +1
                  On this site you’ll throw a bunch of shit so you’ll be promoted to the general right away! And how about real things you’ll talk right away with this shit mixed up!
                4. Anatoly
                  Anatoly 29 December 2011 21: 31
                  +2
                  This is only your subjective opinion. speak only for yourself, please.
                  And .... - less emotion! fellow
                5. petor41
                  petor41 29 December 2011 21: 34
                  0
                  Right! And they only made a mortgage for me wink

                  Let's debate normally! You, Anatoly, are now serving in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and have not heard about the military mortgage?
                6. petor41
                  petor41 29 December 2011 21: 37
                  -1
                  Anatoly! AU!
                7. Anatoly
                  Anatoly 29 December 2011 21: 39
                  +1
                  Hear what I heard. But let me tell you that before 2005. officers also served in our Army. Therefore, more years than you. And for some reason they don’t get an apartment and don’t take part in this program, but you are in! Miracles are direct! It smacks of "little" injustice. Don't you think?
                  Do you want to compare the situation of the officer corps of the Moscow Region and the Irkutsk Region? or the Leningrad and Amur regions?
                8. petor41
                  petor41 29 December 2011 21: 47
                  -1
                  Heard, excellent! Well, what do you want to say, the housing issue is not being resolved! I do not deny that there are servicemen waiting for housing, I want to say that the government SOLVES these issues, does not forget about the military! Now all young people have been provided with housing and an effective system has been created that will avoid problems with this issue in the future! Those who have been waiting for housing for 10-20 years will definitely be provided with housing, you can't solve all the problems in one sitting, where to get money for the problems that have been accumulating over the years ?? "Old-timers" are really provided with housing, but this cannot happen instantly, do you agree with me? And about the comparison of duty stations, I did not understand! I serve beyond the Urals and do not complain, and those who serve in the suburbs for some reason do not want to be transferred to the Urals!
                9. Anatoly
                  Anatoly 29 December 2011 21: 57
                  +3
                  Just like a fanatical agitation sounds! The discussion is useless.
                  Well, all that remains is to congratulate you.
                  So you are better than we serve.
                  Edem das seine ..
                10. petor41
                  petor41 29 December 2011 22: 04
                  +1
                  I don’t know how that sounds! Apparently someone was more lucky, someone less! I already live in my apartment, but for someone it is only ahead! But do not replace concepts and things! If you see positive dynamics, why again whine that everything is bad! We didn’t even debate with you, and you already jumped off the topic! I understand that you want to save face, Comrade General, because it is not in vain that you have been promoted to such a high rank, but truth is born in a dispute! I am again a lieutenant, so they support me wink
                11. Anatoly
                  Anatoly 29 December 2011 22: 12
                  +3
                  Do not rush to conclusions. I see that we have already exhausted the topic. Each has its own situation. I highlighted the situation of a certain group of military personnel. You have illuminated your position.
                  And both remained unconvinced.
                12. petor41
                  petor41 29 December 2011 22: 21
                  +1
                  Yes? And why then did you start with hasty conclusions? Have you tried all the methods and that I am the son of a general and that I am a troll and that there is no mortgage! And now when we come to the denouement, it turns out we represent different groups of military personnel! Maybe we live in different countries and serve different bosses?
                13. Anatoly
                  Anatoly 29 December 2011 22: 25
                  +2
                  So it is. And I’ll ask you to note that about the general’s son - not my comment was. Read carefully.
                14. petor41
                  petor41 29 December 2011 22: 28
                  -1
                  And who supported him ??? Then you start to find fault with grammatical errors? wink
                15. Anatoly
                  Anatoly 29 December 2011 22: 34
                  +2
                  Supported. in fact of the matter. Be more attentive.
          2. 443190
            443190 30 December 2011 09: 44
            0
            And so the civil wars begin.
  2. urzul
    urzul 29 December 2011 21: 53
    0
    He’s right, actually, they’re just minus me for an avatar;)) and about the screams about EdRo he is telling the truth, you can quickly get a rating !!!
  3. Anatoly
    Anatoly 29 December 2011 22: 05
    +1
    In most of the comments here, people express their opinions, their views on real things. The fact that with them what happens and what they think about it.
    If everything is just "dirty", as comrade.petor41, then the rating will still be negative .. Whether it is EdRos, or V.V.P. - there is good and bad in everything.
  4. urzul
    urzul 29 December 2011 22: 11
    +1
    don’t tell, many times on this resource I heard a nagativ in your address about avatars, to shout loudly that everything is bad much easier and more clear for most users!
  5. Anatoly
    Anatoly 29 December 2011 22: 19
    -1
    Well, to be honest, how does Vovka impress me. Nothing against, I do not have your avatar. I do not understand such disadvantages.
  6. petor41
    petor41 29 December 2011 22: 12
    +5
    Yes, well, Anatoly! If I just wrote that I’m a lieutenant colonel, I’m wandering around the hostels for the second ten years, my wife left me, etc. etc. I would have become a lieutenant general! Or isn’t it? And I damn wrote that I am the captain and is already provided with housing and immediately grabbed the minuses! Also, when I wrote that I voted for EP and will be for GDP, I was demoted from lieutenant to sergeant, and if I had written, I would have washed the army general wink
  7. Anatoly
    Anatoly 29 December 2011 22: 26
    0
    So write if you need it. Something about the rating are you really worried about?
  8. petor41
    petor41 29 December 2011 22: 33
    0
    Of course I'm worried! I want my son, the son of a general wink
  9. ESCANDER
    ESCANDER 30 December 2011 00: 04
    0
    petor41
    A high rating is better to have in pants.
  10. 443190
    443190 30 December 2011 09: 48
    0
    This is unlikely ... It is inherited in several generations. You didn’t have a grandfather and then the father of a general and you won’t be ... 100% checked. No offense.
  • urzul
    urzul 29 December 2011 22: 03
    +2
    Anatoly especially for YOU, try to look for the author of this article, he is not there, but it is on many extremely "independent" information resources. learn to distinguish news from stuffing !!! This year the lieutenant colonel got a 4-room apartment from his brother in the suburbs, 35 years old man. I can’t help but rejoice, if someone of your friends is still deprived, then in the next 3 years he will receive it, I have accurate information about this !!!
    1. Anatoly
      Anatoly 29 December 2011 22: 21
      +1
      Let's hope....
      And about the "stuffing" - this is a question for the site admins.
    2. urzul
      urzul 29 December 2011 22: 23
      +1
      “Most of the construction projects of the Ministry of Defense are still not commissioned. According to the Accounts Chamber, on October 1 of October 2011, 775 houses with a total value of 109,6 billion rubles were unfinished, ”the newspaper notes.

      The total housing demand of all law enforcement agencies, as of March 2011 of the year, was estimated at 223,9 of thousands of apartments. To solve this problem, the federal budget in 2012 provided 149,6 billion rubles.
      The queue in the queue quickly grew after the reduction in the army, since the dismissed from service also relies on housing, hence such data are provided. As usual, the clever manipulation of numbers and no fraud;))) the problem will be solved by 2013, acquaintances in the State Duma said that this is under special control!
  • urzul
    urzul 29 December 2011 21: 49
    -2
    For a long time in Russian learned to write ???
    1. petor41
      petor41 29 December 2011 21: 51
      0
      Uzul, brother, support me, I'm tired of fighting here against everyone wink
  • maximus
    maximus 29 December 2011 21: 44
    +3
    Quote: Anatoly
    You write to them whom to vote for!

    I wonder for whom? New 30 years will make you wait)
  • 443190
    443190 29 December 2011 20: 18
    0
    Whatman ... you're a Muscovite ... And where did you get such a freebie? We want it too !!!
    1. petor41
      petor41 29 December 2011 20: 49
      -5
      I'm not a Muscovite! In the profile from the bulldozer the city indicated!
      1. 443190
        443190 29 December 2011 21: 12
        +1
        Then be honest. Get legalized.
      2. ESCANDER
        ESCANDER 30 December 2011 00: 10
        +1
        petor41
        Do you write “from the bulldozer” and suffer for the truth? How to understand this?
        If “beyond the Urals” then why is everything focused on Moscow.
        This FSB conspiracy is this?
        1. petor41
          petor41 30 December 2011 14: 14
          -2
          Dear Escander, it’s not without you wink I would be legalized, only here a lot of dubious personalities rubs, I don’t want them to know much about me bully And I know about Moscow, because I studied there and I have a lot of friends left there, I regularly call up with them and find out how they are doing! And you probably know more about the FSB, because they tormented you in their dungeons, not me wink
          1. ESCANDER
            ESCANDER 30 December 2011 19: 15
            +3
            petor41
            According to your ideas, dear petor41 - I apparently also am among the ranks of these most dubious personalities.
            And “in the dungeons” I did not “languish”, they simply called for an inquiry and a preventive conversation with a little wiretapping of the phone and a small seizure of my system unit.
            And according to the FSB, do not dissemble. Your knowledge of this structure is too specific, obviously not from the FSB officers in your military unit, whom you respect (judging by your zealous comments, like, “And who among the persons represented was an FSB officer? Ch.M.O. !! !!! ").
            1. petor41
              petor41 30 December 2011 19: 30
              -2
              Comrade Eskander, from talking with you I always have a smile from ear to ear wink I am so pleased that you remember all my comments and always try to answer them, although I do not often write them wink I would love to become an officer of the FSB, but unfortunately it didn’t work, I went on the military line! I’ll tell you a secret, my relatives work in this organization, from here I have specific knowledge! And I don’t think of you as a dubious person, besides you have enough people here, it just seems to me that I'm a little more informed than you! And for the truth, I really suffer, and I will fight on this site with enemies who misinform the people, to the last!
            2. ESCANDER
              ESCANDER 30 December 2011 19: 33
              +3
              Thank you.
              Correctly stepping on your rating callus, since it bothers you so much, I dare to assure you that there are no minuses on my part (I just Ereke jumped from the lieutenants to the black squad, but that was why). That’s even someone’s minus right now I’ll fix it (for my son).
            3. petor41
              petor41 30 December 2011 19: 42
              -1
              The rating excites me for the only reason that I try to write about real facts that I know about from primary sources or that I myself have a relationship with them, but they don’t believe me, they don't understand me and they minus it and it’s a shame, damn it!
            4. petor41
              petor41 30 December 2011 19: 47
              -1
              In any case, comrade Escander, let’s not argue today, this is bad for our growing friendship wink
            5. ESCANDER
              ESCANDER 30 December 2011 20: 19
              0
              It's a shame, yes. I explained here under the article “Chavez blamed the USA for cancer infection” - the result is 0. Although it’s true, they don’t want to hear. They write nonsense.
              And in the dispute (since without sarcasm) - I agree.
  • GRIGORIY1957
    GRIGORIY1957 30 December 2011 03: 07
    +3
    Quote: petor41
    I'm not a Muscovite! In the profile the city indicated from the bulldozer!

    ... CURRENTLY IN VIT, BUT AT LEAST ACHIEVED HONESTLY ... wink

    RIGHT DOWN WRITTEN, LEGALIZE ... wink
  • Alex63
    Alex63 30 December 2011 07: 35
    0
    And what kind of hemorrhoids can begin, if God forbid, you lose your job. Not everything in this world is eternal and permanent.
  • karimov01
    karimov01 30 December 2011 16: 05
    0
    This is how you express yourself in the comments, but in reality you are a pimply beggar along the way, and not only can not you buy an apartment, but you can hardly pay for the rent.


    PS Those who buy apartments without problems, and even with repairs, do not sit here on the forum wink wink wink
  • karimov01
    karimov01 30 December 2011 16: 18
    -1
    petor41,

    I can’t believe that you are true in this case.


    In the picture you are just the same !!!!!! wink
  • 443190
    443190 29 December 2011 20: 15
    0
    Man ... What mushrooms you ate ??? We never heard of this ... Or is it just another troll?
    1. petor41
      petor41 29 December 2011 20: 55
      -1
      Type "military mortgage" on the Internet and you yourself will go eat mushrooms out of grief!
      1. 443190
        443190 29 December 2011 21: 13
        -4
        It’s not funny for yourself? I managed to build my house in 2 floors on a civilian. So I have mushrooms on my side.
        1. urzul
          urzul 29 December 2011 22: 07
          -1
          one more rich and dissatisfied, but to you sir, what leadership annoyed ?? or on the 3 floor was not enough ??
          1. 443190
            443190 30 December 2011 09: 53
            +2
            Yes, how quiet you are offended. You, like in 1917, put the whole neighborhood on forks ... those who have a bigger house and a bigger car. You won’t figure it out ... who worked hard and who freeloaded. This is called a Russian rebellion ... scary and merciless. Here, perhaps, a couple of machine guns will not save.
  • Denis
    Denis 30 December 2011 07: 12
    +1
    To get a certificate for 2500, you have to kind of serve 3 years.
  • Viking
    Viking 29 December 2011 19: 16
    -2
    Quote: Artemka
    Why don't they vote? The military also raised their salaries at times. Not everyone is true.

    And who didn’t get it?
    1. Chuck-norris
      Chuck-norris 29 December 2011 19: 20
      +2
      Loafers and loafers.
      1. karimov01
        karimov01 30 December 2011 15: 57
        +2
        "To idlers and idlers." At least you yourself served in general. And do you know how difficult it is to be a bum and a bum? It feels like you're just a youngster
  • petor41
    petor41 29 December 2011 21: 10
    +7
    I’ll immediately explain to those who are not in the subject! All young officers after graduating from the Higher Education Institution sign a mortgage agreement with the Moscow Region! Under this agreement, a lieutenant opens a personal account in a credit institution to which a certain amount falls monthly (in 2010 - 14 thousand rubles a month, in 2011-15 thousand rubles a month, there is a constant indexation!), After 3 years of service you have the right take a social loan in the amount of 2 rubles + the money that you have already accumulated in your account (for about three years to accumulate about 000 thousand rubles), as a result, for a total amount of approximately 000 million rubles, you buy housing in a mortgage! And now the most important thing is that the state extinguishes the mortgage for you, every year of your service! This system is designed for 500 years of service! If you quit, then the mortgage payments fall on you personally! In my opinion, an excellent system, and encourages further service and the issue of housing solves!
    1. ab
      ab 30 December 2011 09: 39
      0
      If this is so in my opinion it is absolutely logical and correct. I think the state in general is not obliged to provide housing. This fuels corruption schemes, etc. It is necessary to give a real w-one or money to rent a house and let everyone solve this problem according to their needs. You can add various belt coefficients, and in remote gorizony housing at a part,
  • karimov01
    karimov01 30 December 2011 16: 01
    0
    Who exactly at times raised something ????? Maybe *** percent, well, so our inflation is not weak ..
  • SergeySK
    SergeySK 30 December 2011 06: 50
    +2
    And tell me at least one country where a young officer is provided with an apartment in the property? Even in the USA he served and hello! And not with some great retirement!
    1. wvivon
      wvivon 30 December 2011 11: 01
      +2
      do not say nonsense if you do not know the banks give a mortgage to all citizens in America so 4 who wants to buy will even buy an ordinary .....
  • shmack
    shmack 29 December 2011 18: 25
    0
    The count is absolutely incorrect. This "army" included officers at its disposal, and not only those who were dismissed from service.
  • older
    older 29 December 2011 18: 41
    -2
    the campaign doesn’t need housing for them .... but whoever is transferred to the general public will provide an office in the apartment, I won’t lie, I don’t know, but not lower than 40kv Hurray! ; (the barracks steers as it is not sad
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 29 December 2011 19: 05
    +4
    The MO Minister is to be thrown out of the house, according to whom he lives (with confiscation, God forbid they get rid of it faster), and confiscated from relatives with friends ... Let them prove in court that they have legally acquired ...
    1. Anatoly
      Anatoly 29 December 2011 19: 46
      +3
      These bastards, everything is all framed for relatives and dummies. angry
  • sashalenovo
    sashalenovo 29 December 2011 19: 10
    +2
    The Russian army has always suffered from poor organization, false statistics, drill, window dressing and unlimited heroism of the personnel.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 29 December 2011 19: 36
      0
      You can recall Mr. Menshikov and draw an analogy ...
  • Smilodon
    Smilodon 29 December 2011 19: 13
    +3
    Su-ka Serdyukovskaya. And why does not Putin kick him out ... oh yes, he (Serdyukov) is his loyal ally. But Putin does not expel his own people. The horror, after all, there is no way out, because we "cannot expel the ministers, it is fraught ... blah blah blah"
  • Evgeny Petrovich
    Evgeny Petrovich 29 December 2011 19: 17
    0
    PR begins to fall apart.
  • almost demobil
    almost demobil 29 December 2011 19: 32
    +2
    The situation now is such that notifications come to those who still have to serve and serve, thousands of kilometers from the duty station. And those who are already at the disposal or are about to leave, they are left behind, while the managers of the Moscow region have been paid a salary for years, because they cannot be fired not providing an apartment. These aunts who sit in their respective positions with Taburetkin are not very successful managers (to put it mildly). Count them!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 29 December 2011 19: 39
      -2
      And the situation is such that wait, they throw out x ... woo a cloud of specialists and they have nothing to do ... The path seems to have promised a "foreign corps" to work abroad ... but everything can turn out to be chatter, pre-election, or a feeding trough for those close to the body .. ...
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 29 December 2011 22: 10
      +2
      Mrs. Lirschaft, the lady, was still the head of the JOE MO .... she had to talk, they guessed it would be removed on time, the atom was completely obstructed right away, and people even flied with court decisions impudently.
  • wvivon
    wvivon 29 December 2011 19: 38
    +6
    I was especially killed by a report. I bought paintings in an elite area for officers near St. Petersburg for the amount of almost 60 billion rubles, but according to the law, officers cannot get them too much footage ... I wonder who these apartments will go to. am
    1. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 30 December 2011 03: 43
      -1
      Quote: wvivon
      I was especially killed by a report. I bought paintings in an elite area for officers near St. Petersburg for the amount of almost 60 billion rubles, but according to the law, officers cannot get them too big ...

      AND WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE, YOU CAN NAME ...?

      ... ARTICLE WRITTEN BY ANONYMOUS ...! ! !
      1. wvivon
        wvivon 30 December 2011 11: 05
        0
        I didn’t write, but there was a whole report on televisions pereda4a about corruption ... but we don’t need to flood here 4 generals do not steal and there is no corruption in Russia
  • dred
    dred 29 December 2011 19: 45
    -3
    They raised it to everyone.
  • valerii gr,
    valerii gr, 29 December 2011 19: 55
    +2
    If in 2000-2005 an officer or warrant officer wrote a report on housing in St. Petersburg or Moscow, they would look at him like crazy! Now they give housing, people get and are happy .. There are data errors, there is no small-sized housing, they allowed to pay extra, it’s still decided .. But still there is a journalist and a spoonful of shit ... I don’t remember such a massive provision of housing for 30 years . And when a lieutenant with a length of service on Mondays can only talk about salary and housing, then this is not an officer but a pakemon in uniform .. Normally they pay, they give housing normally .. Just study, improve. Advice to dissatisfied whiners: Try to EARN money, not RECEIVE !! !
    1. 443190
      443190 29 December 2011 20: 25
      0
      You are our adviser .... As for the whining, I agree. I saw it myself. But when he wanted to return to his homeland after 20 years of ZABVO and not even to Muscovy, but only to the ecologically troubled Chelyabinsk (Ivan Dulin's homeland), then my native Moscow did not find for me not only an apartment but also money for a certificate ... So look for the happy elsewhere. I hope the address is known. Good luck.
      1. valerii gr,
        valerii gr, 29 December 2011 20: 35
        0
        Well, I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, no need to poke. I won’t believe that you were not queued for a certificate if you had the right to housing. A refusal can only be motivated. And if you quit before 2005, now they are collecting documents and receiving certificates.
        1. 443190
          443190 29 December 2011 21: 18
          0
          In 2001. And I'm not going to drink .... Cool. Fire before 2005 and receive after 2012, thanks. I got out. And glad of that.
        2. 443190
          443190 30 December 2011 15: 00
          +1
          This certificate is a complete amno ... According to it, perhaps by writing it to Moscow ... cashing ... and you can buy yourself in the province.
  • JIGIT
    JIGIT 29 December 2011 20: 21
    +2
    wvivon Today, 19:38
    Reply Quote
    A complaint
    especially killed me
    mo report got
    kartra in an elite area
    for officers under peter
    worth nearly 60 billion
    rubles but by law
    officers get them not
    may be too big
    footage ... I wonder who
    these apartments will be gone




    the bureaucrats of MO will sell them to the right people or firms at best for six yards .. ((((
    1. wvivon
      wvivon 29 December 2011 21: 02
      0
      Thank you ........ I had such speculations but I still believed in the best sad
  • maksim
    maksim 29 December 2011 21: 05
    +3
    and on tv everything is so beautiful
  • SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
    SAMEDOV SULEYMAN 29 December 2011 21: 31
    +3
    Rear rats have always lived best in the army, when real officers at a combat post, rear rats sell, buy, fatten in all, they have all the cars, cottages, huts. Who is the best in the army was spinning, deputy in the rear, and who his subordinates are ensign.
    1. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 30 December 2011 03: 49
      +1
      Quote: SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
      Rear rats have always lived best in the army, when real officers at a combat post, rear rats sell, buy, fatten in all, they have all the cars, cottages, huts. Who is the best in the army was spinning, deputy in the rear, and who his subordinates are ensign.

      HOW GKZHUKOV, ALL QUESTINENTS SPEAK, AFTER A YEAR OF WORK, SHOULD BE SHOULD BE SHOT WITHOUT A COURT AND CONSEQUENCES ...
      (THERE WAS A MAN) ... bully
  • bashkort
    bashkort 29 December 2011 21: 46
    +1
    The military, of course, must be given. But why doctors, teachers can not afford it even theoretically? Do you need to treat people and teach children now? We even have a profession, the training of which takes an average of 22 years, gets somewhere around 15 thousand, that is, 2 times less than the cop-leteki. Soon there will be no one to defend the army - the country will mainly consist of a gopota with 3 classes of education, moreover, an unhealthy one, and immigrants.
    1. urzul
      urzul 29 December 2011 22: 09
      -3
      there are free housing programs for teachers and doctors, although it’s in rural areas, but it can also be 10 km from the city;))) they are also given cars, albeit even by a VAZ-2107
    2. 443190
      443190 3 January 2012 19: 56
      0
      Agree that managing a herd of dropouts is much easier.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 29 December 2011 22: 04
    +4
    I myself have been standing in line at the Moscow Region since May 2008. During this time, grandchildren have already gone and grandfather
    there is no officer of his own home. As my friend, a military pilot, who is forced to live with his wife's parents with his family, says: "I have a whole aviation regiment at home - children are salary fighters, my wife is a front-line attack aircraft for inflicting pinpoint strikes on my pocket, my mother-in-law is a heavy bomber on the brain and my father-in-law is a reconnaissance aircraft on autopilot all the time. "
    And you say the teacher, poor fellows generally forgot about them
  • bretwald
    bretwald 29 December 2011 22: 21
    +3
    gentlemen, I have a suggestion when it comes to such problems as in this article to indicate cities or regions to make the situation better.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 December 2011 00: 08
      0
      Smolensk, from 1994 to 2008 about 1000 families ...
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 29 December 2011 23: 37
    0
    and is 113 thousand people

    And how many of them during the EBN and the runway? no one counted ... Then a stool appears, and everything was counted ...
  • runway
    runway 30 December 2011 00: 17
    +3
    There has never been such a mess to provide military personnel with the housing prescribed by law. I am a third-generation soldier. My ancestors served and I was not the bosses, but the homeland. This I tell you, petor41.
    At home, none of the servicemen who were in the ranks, or outside the ranks, never thought to be offended. It is all about the leaders and their policies towards people who defend their homeland.
    Now we are sitting with you warmly and conducting intimate conversations, and at this time on a round-the-clock duty at military posts, in any weather, people do their duty. Not for a salary, not for an apartment. They chose this fate themselves. But these people want to be treated honestly. If a soldier lives his whole life according to the law, then officials, please, act according to the law!
    Before the creation of the Department of Housing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (JO) in November 2010, the distribution of living space was carried out in military units. The waiting lists were in a prominent place.
    Now there is no line. Checking the legality of the distribution and provision of housing to the military is practically impossible. A serviceman can find information on his personal number on the JO website that his documents have been recorded in the Department. You can wait all your life.
    If you are lucky before your funeral to receive a notice on the distribution of housing, do not rush to rejoice. Various overlays are possible - allocation of housing in an unfinished house, allocation of a really smaller area than indicated in the notice ... etc. etc.
    Why it happens? The answer is simple - our guides have long put a bolt on people and in the army, including ...
    Their promises to provide housing for military personnel in 2009, 2010, 2011, and now in 2012 are nothing but annoying.
    They will not solve the problem. They have already found more profitable use of money from the sale of real estate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    They will solve the problem according to the type of Government Decree of 19.08.2011 No. 1470 "On the privatization of housing in military garrisons" ... The point is that those dismissed from military service can privatize the living space they occupy in disbanded and abandoned closed garrisons ... С Taking into account the fact that residential townships in such garrisons could exist only with military units, after the disbandment of these military units, people are left to their own devices .... Military units in Primorye -17, in the Kaliningrad region. - 16, in Transbaikalia - 10, 7 each in Krasnodar Territory, Rostov and Volgograd Regions ...
    1. petor41
      petor41 30 December 2011 14: 22
      0
      Quote: piston.k
      Now we are sitting with you warmly and conducting intimate conversations, and at this time on a round-the-clock duty at military posts, in any weather, people do their duty.

      Why are you telling me this? I serve the troops and take up duty on my own (from the age of 14, by the way, IED)
  • strannik78
    strannik78 30 December 2011 00: 23
    +5
    graduation of 2000. Service in Khimki of the Moscow region. Until 2004, he lived in the barracks with a l / s. Married, got a room of 12 sq.m. (with a toilet and a washbasin - it was cool). In 2007 he received a service kopeck piece, 57 sq.m. on the territory of the unit. In 2008, he received an official three-ruble note in Khimki. In connection with the massive reduction of military posts in the Ministry of Emergencies, he was dismissed by the state at the end of 2010. At the moment, this apartment in social security is undergoing privatization procedures. He retired with the rank of lieutenant colonel. At the moment, all officers with the rank of captain and above received apartments (in turn). Accordingly, all who were dismissed received apartments in the property, who still serve as service members outside the unit. The rest are mortgages (in Khimki this is odnushka ), or service on the territory of the unit. The geography of apartment issuing is as follows: Balashikha, Khimki, Lyubertsy, Podolsk .. I don’t know how in the rest, but in Khimki and Balashikha the infrastructure is established. There are minor problems not worthy of attention. Keeping in touch with your school (g. Balashikha) I’ll say that during this time two houses for officers were built on the territory of the school and my classmates get apartments. I didn’t specify the geography of resettlement, but many of them get apartments in Khimki. That's the picture. That’s bad, it’s fired !! massively until 2004, there was no hope. But then it went. Of course, reform is not pleasant, but there is nothing to be done about it. Before retirement there are 4 years left and alas .... I wish everyone who is waiting for housing in the New Year! Good luck fellow officers
    1. wvivon
      wvivon 30 December 2011 00: 34
      -1
      it’s so interesting that the semi-out officers ’apartments are under Moscow’s 4 units and 4’s in other garrisons where they can’t be in Uryupinsk or Muzhos ???? and the ensigns don’t have apartments or they don’t have families, the army is not only officers
      1. GRIGORIY1957
        GRIGORIY1957 30 December 2011 03: 59
        -1
        Quote: wvivon
        it’s so interesting that the semi-out officers ’apartments are under Moscow’s 4 units and 4’s in other garrisons where they can’t be in Uryupinsk or Muzhos ???? and the ensigns don’t have apartments or they don’t have families, the army is not only officers

        LIKE YOU ARE NOT AN INSTRUCTOR, MAYBE AND NOT SERVED AT ALL ...?
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 30 December 2011 14: 09
      +3
      Nobody says that they are not provided with housing. Just stating a fact:
      since May 2008 I’m standing at odnushku in Balashikha - 2012 is still silence. Lieutenant Colonel of the reserve, just like you are only 15 years older, the Service-27 served in the Strategic Missile Forces, Air Defense Forces, Moscow missile, a division-regiment-regiment with personnel and equipment, was dismissed from the post of GI center (in the missile defense system) in the Moscow Region.
      There are, as they say, acquaintances in the upper headquarters, but I consider it humiliating to ask for anything, because there is a place to live with my wife (children are already adults)
  • strannik78
    strannik78 30 December 2011 01: 00
    +3
    all warrant officers also received. Do not cling to words. About other regions I will say where I know-Krasnoyarsk-receive, Khabarovsk receive, Tula region receive. Peter-receive.
  • mr.Man
    mr.Man 30 December 2011 04: 07
    +1
    Sabzh's hat is good ... wink
    You might think that as the current government came to power, all the warriors chewed, and before that they lived in the palaces ...
    With the union, the warriors received services, communal services or like everyone else ..., on a common basis ....
    Until 2008, Fig-vamas were building, but then they started to build a normal hazu ... and again they are unhappy ...
    Well, someone didn’t get it .., it’s like we live in a democracy and people don’t work according to the order, they don’t look at the digital cameras ...
    At the logger send stolen not democratic ....
    Yes, and they flee to London, you can't "smoke" ....
    The path is broken ...
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 30 December 2011 06: 43
    +2
    There are many opinions, opinions are different. All the same, the main thing - the issue of military personnel was raised and moved. We must not forget that in parallel there are state programs for veterans of the Great Patriotic War, combatants, Chernobyl victims, large families, etc. The main thing is that the movement should acquire a systemic character, and the issue of providing housing should be as uncompromising as receiving monetary allowance.
  • trojan768
    trojan768 30 December 2011 06: 58
    +4
    Not only are the military poor, most of the population ... Russia is rich in poor people ...
    1. karimov01
      karimov01 30 December 2011 16: 00
      +2
      This must be said to URZUL, from whom, as he himself put it, even the cleaners receive 20 thousand. wink
  • karimov01
    karimov01 30 December 2011 16: 13
    0
    petor41,


    You think so, but in fact, even a colonel can find it difficult to get a housewarming ...