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Technical comparison of the Su-35C and F-15SE in the light of the “surface” nonsense of Nam Thang

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A unique feature of the HBNUMX Irbis-E on-board radar mounted on the Su-035С super-maneuverable fighter is the ability to detect and track hypersonic aerospace targets flying at speeds up to 35 m / s (1527М)



At one time, numerous bloggers and combat lovers aviation posted on various Internet resources a lot of reviews and comparisons of the tactical fighter-bomber Su-34 with the American counterpart F-15E "Srike Eagle". All the advantages and disadvantages of both machines were clearly delineated. So, for example, the only drawbacks of the Su-34 can be considered a lower thrust-to-weight ratio, due to which the speed of the steady turn and rate of climb decreased, and the increased midship of the cabin, resulting in a decrease in speed from 2500 to 1900 km / h. In other respects, the Russian tactical fighter is confidently ahead of the American competitor. And what about the comparison of the Su-4S multi-role fighter of the 35 ++ generation with its overseas competitor F-15SE Silent Eagle? This question was recently puzzled by the Vietnamese "special and columnist" Nam Thang. Either due to pro-American views, or for some other reason, Thang, in his publication on the resource kienthuc.net.vn, conducted several comparative analyzes of the Russian Su-35C with the American F-15SE on various performance characteristics, according to which he determined the Silent Eagle as indisputable leader for the Vietnam Air Force upgrade program.

But the most interesting thing is that Mr. Thang argues his incompetent findings of technological identity with the Chinese Air Force, which, in his opinion, leads to defeat. So, the Su-35C enters the arsenal of the Chinese Air Force, and by purchasing similar Flanker-E +, Hanoi will not have advantages over the Chinese fighters. He also believes that the F-15SE has its own "highlights", inaccessible to our multipurpose.

Regular “clean” comparative reviews of only 2-s of military equipment are boring, but we are forced to do so by the numerous and inconsistent with the technical sense of the publication of such personalities as Nam Thang.

ALL THANKSHIP PUBLICATION - A GREAT TECHNICAL LNP

Despite the fact that the bulk of the Vietnamese arms market is represented by Russian military aircraft, non-nuclear submarines, modern anti-aircraft missile and anti-ship complexes, as well as tactical missile weapons, Nam Thang, inspired by the lifting of the arms embargo by the United States, announced by Barack Obama during visit to Hanoi, says at the beginning of his article about the need to shift the vector of defense purchases from Moscow to Washington. At the same time, there are huge doubts that Vietnam will be able to afford in 2 times more expensive contracts with American giants like Boeing or Lockheed Martin. Thang begins to contradict his preference, starting from the economic “germs” of all contractual moments. One Su-35С is estimated today at about 65 — 70 million dollars, F-15SE — about 100 million dollars, and this does not take into account the total lack of experience of the F-15C “Eagle” flight crews, as well as the necessary base for ground maintenance of these complex machines, which will require tens of millions of dollars. With “Dryers” everything is much simpler: the training of the flight crew was initially carried out in India on multi-purpose fighters Su-30MKI; The Vietnamese Air Force uses 5 two-seat combat training versions of the Su-27UBK fighter aircraft, which are excellent for training pilots on the Su-35С, at least in terms of flight and technical issues. Training in combat use can easily take place at the place of the operator of the Yak-130 combat training aircraft system, which easily imitates most types of tactical fighters, not only domestic, but also western.

The information field of the two pilots is formed around 3-x MFIs of size 15х20 cm on the instrument panel of the pilot and systems operator. Yak-130 is equipped with a digital electric remote control system (EDSU) KSU-130, which is able to imitate the handling of almost any modern tactical fighter, bomber or military transport aircraft at speeds up to 1050 km / h, of course, within allowable overload (8 units) and angle of attack (40 degrees). Contribute to this excellent aerodynamic qualities glider Yak-130: large aerodynamic flows at the root of the wing create additional lift, increasing the maximum angular speed of turn and the maximum angle of attack.

A separate item can be put unification of a huge range of rocket-bomb armaments of Russian and Western production, which can be envied by any modern attack aircraft or UBS from Scorpio to Aermacchi M-346 and A-10A. Adjustable air bombs KAB-500-ОД / КР, tactical guided missiles of the AGM-65 “Maverick” family, anti-ship missiles “Marte Mk2”, free-falling bombs Mk.82 and Mk.83 and other weapons can be used after adaptation of the suspension points and installing additional software in a computerized MSA.

To form such logistic and combat support for the F-15SE, including UBS with corresponding simulation programs and ground-based simulators, huge investments will be required. And now about technical issues.


Yak-130 is the most advanced combat training aircraft in the world.


The first and most important thing that the reader wants to convey Nam Thang to us is the perfection of the airborne radar with the AN / APG-63 (V) 3 AFAR. He argues that this radar greatly exceeds the Russian radar with PFAR HNNUMX "Irbis-E". As we know, with all the merits of this radar flaws in front of the "Irbis" it is also not devoid. Like any AFAR, AN / APG-035 (V) 63 does not have a mechanical drive to turn the blade in azimuth and elevation, and the viewing sector (electron beam transfer) is only 3 degrees in azimuth. To detect, track, and capture air targets in the side hemispheres, a reversal of the entire machine is necessary. Passive PHAR H60, on the contrary, has a mechanical antenna rotation, due to which the field of view is increased to 035 degrees. Mechanical dovorot avoids the energy loss of the radiation lobe, since the PPAR turns to the target with the whole area (it is normalized according to the "sin / cos" law). AFAR detection range with increasing angle relative to the roll of the fighter decreases, and the fighter for the "maintenance" of the target must come closer to it. Su-240C, unlike F-35SE, has no such disadvantage.

The detection range of a target with 1 m2 EPR (“Silent Eagle” with 2 AMRAAM on an external sling) at Irbis-E is 300 km, for AN / APG-63 (V) 3 - 145 km; This is when working within sector +/– 60 degrees. In large corners, the American radar does not see anything, but ours sees from the same range as the American one. At an angle of +/– 120 degrees relative to the roll of the Su-35С, “Irbis-E” sees the target with the EPR 1 м2 at the distance 135 — 145 km. Judge whose "child" is steeper. The throughput (channel) of “Irbis-E” is: for tracking - 30 targets, for capturing - 8 targets. For AN / APG-63 (V) 3: for tracking - 20 targets, for capturing - 6 VTs. Even the on-board computers from Super Hornets do not save, it is not surprising, since the Irbis has 1772 MRP, AN / APG-63 (V) 3 - 1500 MRP. Su-35, carrying on the suspension of the RVV-BD and medium-range RVV-SD long-range missile, has significantly larger intercept lines than the F-15SE (180 versus 300 km, respectively).

After being equipped with advanced air-to-kill interceptor missiles using the hit-to-kill concept, the Su-35C will be able to effectively intercept both hypersonic aerodynamic and ballistic targets, including fighters such as ATACMS, as well as guided missiles modern MLRS.

Of course, AN / APG-63 (V) 3 has advantages: the time between the AFAR to failure is much higher than that of the PPAR, each MRP has its own transmitter and receiver, which allows to maintain the operation even when the receiving and transmitting modules fail, The transfer of the electron beam is also faster, but this affects the fighting qualities slightly. The terrain mapping and ground target tracking modes are implemented with 1 m accuracy.

Thang recalls the presence of the F-15SE OEPS with AN / AAS-42 infrared channel in the control system, but the Su-35С also has an OLPK OLS-35, including infrared and television channels, as well as a laser rangefinder with a target designator function. The azimuth sector of its review is 90 degrees, the elevation is 75 degrees. In the front and rear hemispheres, the OLS-35 detects the F-15SE at ranges from 50 to 90 km, respectively: the Irbis radar can be turned off and the Silent airborne equipment will lose any effect.

The Vietnamese columnist claims that the F-15SE shows itself better at high altitudes and speeds, without seriously assessing the deflected vector of the “Drying” engines thrust. But what it is superior to our car, it is not entirely clear. The practical ceiling of both cars is about 18500 m, the speed of the F-15SE is highest at 150 km / h, which is almost irrelevant in aerial operations. But the deviating thrust vector of the AL-41F1C engines is crucial during close combat air combat not only with Silent Eagle, but also with highly manoeuvrable machines such as Rafale or F-22A.

Then, as an argument, the Su-35C combat load is given, which is 25-30% less than the F-15SE (8 vs. 10,5 tons). But this argument is a real “dust” when it comes to the nomenclature and characteristics of weapons, as well as the number of points of its suspension. The F-15SE “Silent Eagle” in its original version has 9 external suspension assemblies and 4 internal assemblies (expandable to different calibers of UR / bombs) built into conformal fuel tanks (KTB). We have already spoken about weapons for air combat more than once, but what about the shock? “Silent Eagle” can take on tactical tactical cruise missiles with a small ESR long-range AGM-158B “JASSM-ER”, planning a UAB AGM-154 “JSOW”, tactical missiles of the AGM-65 “Maverick” family, anti-ship missiles AGM-84 “ Harpoon ”, AGM-84H“ SLAM-ER ”missiles and other types of high-precision missile weapons. They are distinguished by low radar visibility, but all without exception are subsonic EHVs.

In the presence of modern air defense missile systems, this does not give the F-15SE any advantages compared to the Su-35C. On the 12 external points of the latter, practically all tactical rocket armament has a supersonic flight speed: PRLR X-58USHKE, X-31П, PCR X-31А and 3М51 Alpha. Also recently there was information that India is ready to supply the Vietnamese air force with BrahMos supersonic anti-ship missiles, which can be used both on board the Su-30MK2 and unified for use on the Su-35C. All of the above missiles are designed to destroy complex and well-protected targets with a breakthrough of the most powerful missile defense systems. Subsonic tactical missiles, which can be armed with F-15SE, do not have half the capabilities that are available for the Su-35С arsenal.

Finally, Thang argues that the Su-35S airborne element base is strongly inferior to the F-15SE “stuffing”, which is also not true. A fighter equipped with a radar with a PFAR "Irbis-E", an open architecture of the on-board computer for installing specialized containers RTR and EBC "Khibiny", as well as a powerful OLS-35, cannot be equipped with worse electronics than Silent. The pilot information field is represented by a dashboard with 2 large-format 15-inch MFIs, a special navigation and information indicator of communication under the HUD and an auxiliary display that duplicates the artificial horizon, altimeter and other sensors while the main radar and radar and RLS are displayed.

C-108, the Su-35C tactical communications system, belongs to a new generation. It is an analogue of the C-111-H onboard communications complex, which is used to equip the inconspicuous 5 generation T-50 PAK-FA fighters. Thanks to C-108, the Su-35С can support radio communication with other tactical aircraft at a distance of 500 km, and with ground-based command stations — 350 (depending on the radio horizon at different flight altitudes). Communication can be carried out both in AM and FM-range at frequencies from 30 to 399,975 MHz. There is a mode of pseudo-random adjustment of the operating frequency, which is a complex algorithm to protect against signal interception, there is also a software capability to scramble the communication channel. The frequency hopping mode can be used on the 2-x frequency bands (from 100 to 150 MHz and from 220 to 400 MHz). The power of the FM transmitter is 15 W, which is 2,5 — 3 times the power of a standard portable radio.

Now directly about the complex transfer of tactical information. Rebuilding the working communication channel has a frequency of 78125 Hz, therefore, intercepting this signal is as difficult as the signal of the Link-16 tactical network (77800 Hz). The frequency range of the tactical information exchange module is within 960 — 1215 MHz, which corresponds to the majority of similar Western systems. The data exchange rate with other units is 25 Kbps, and the terminal transmitter power is 200 W. As protection, the Reed-Solomon code is used, and the noise immunity is 15,5 dB / W. The C-108 communication system is the main network-centric base of the Su-35С, thanks to which the fighter almost “stepped over” into the 5 generation.

DISPLAY IS SIGNIFICANT

In his work, Thang tried to bring to us only that the Vietnamese Air Force, in conditions of the predominance of Russian Su-30 / 35 in IATR countries, needed an exclusively Western-made machine, "not the same as everyone else." He believes that “Silent Eagle” can succeed only thanks to a different element base, but completely neglects the comparative characteristic of this base with ours, which is much higher than the American one. Therefore, the overall assessment of the F-15SE in the article by Thang is frankly ridiculous and biased.

Information sources:
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?pid=156799#p156799
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su35bm.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f15se.html
http://www.paralay.com/paralay_tab.xls
http://www.paralay.com/allocer_tab.xls
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  1. Bongo
    Bongo 5 July 2016 06: 16
    +21
    Quote author:
    At one time, numerous bloggers and combat aviation enthusiasts posted on various Internet resources a lot of reviews and comparisons of the tactical fighter-bomber Su-34 with the American counterpart F-15E "Srike Eagle". All the advantages and disadvantages of both machines were clearly delineated. So, for example, the only drawbacks of the Su-34 can be considered less thrust-weight ratio, due to which the speed of the steady turn and rate of climb decreased, and the increased midship of the cabin, resulting in a decrease in speed from 2500 to 1900 km / h. In other respects, the Russian tactical fighter is confidently ahead of the American competitor.
    Really? No. What about radar and PRNA? Kohl said "A", say "B". In addition, the incompetence of the author is once again striking. The Su-34 is not a "tactical fighter" but a front-line bomber. There has never been such a class of combat aircraft as a "tactical fighter" in the Russian Aerospace Forces (Air Force).
    F-15E vs. SU-34. Who is better?
    F-15E vs. SU-34. Response article

    Clickable ...
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 5 July 2016 07: 12
      +6
      the calculator gives out 1527 m / s (4,61 max), and at the beginning of the article up to 1527 m / s (5,17 M)
      1. tolian
        tolian 5 July 2016 07: 35
        +4
        And what speed of sound for Machs should I take?
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        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN 5 July 2016 15: 52
          +8
          I wanted to comment on the merits, but as I read, I came to the conclusion that this article should be almost completely edited. I decided to dwell on the fact that it is impossible to bet on the sparring of two types of planes, well, they will not butt one on one, what is the pointless clogging of your own and someone else's brain? To assess the real situation, you must at least graduate from the academy or have a providence from God, plus some knowledge not from Wikipedia. It is necessary for them to create a section "Smoking room" for discussing such articles. :)
          1. mangyst0007
            mangyst0007 14 July 2016 23: 46
            -1
            No need to suck ideas out of your finger! :))) Create smoking rooms ... :) You just need to add two plus two! Our plane can easily send from the borders of our homeland, without even flying out of its borders, 8 tons of hypersonic homing missiles directly at the Pentagon , with the condition of 100% passing and hitting the Target !!! In fact, these are two weapons in one! And some smart guys try to compare only two aircraft in terms of performance characteristics ?! The main thing for us is to lift the plane into the air and shoot! The hypersonic "tomahawks" themselves will finish their job! :))) The Pentagon and the allies will have to tear their navels to reach such a level! :))) Our planes are the 6th generation !!! But the States do not want the world to know about this ... That's why they are dumping , and speculate on details ... :))) They also need to sell outdated, in fact, weapons to people ... :) am
            1. DeFalco
              DeFalco 14 September 2021 09: 36
              0
              Poor, poor mongoose ... no one ever paid attention to the insane!
        3. mangyst0007
          mangyst0007 14 July 2016 23: 38
          0
          Ask a question on Yandex! :)))
      2. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 5 July 2016 08: 04
        +15
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        the calculator gives out 1527 m / s (4,61 max), and at the beginning of the article up to 1527 m / s (5,17 M)


        Ha caught himself in non-competence))), I apologize:

        At the ground, the speed corresponding to Mach 1 will be approximately 340 m / s (the speed with which people habitually consider the distance of an approaching thunderstorm, measuring the time from a flash of lightning to the rumble of thunder that has reached) or 1224 km / h. At an altitude of 11 km, due to a drop in temperature, the speed of sound is lower - about 295 m / s or 1062 km / h.
        --
        If you take the calculation at heights, then everything is correct.
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 5 July 2016 16: 10
          +2
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          If you take the calculation at heights, then everything is correct.


          It is good that you can use the calculator (of course, a joke) and admit your mistakes (which is a little inherent).

          And I would like to correct you.
          1. mangyst0007
            mangyst0007 14 July 2016 23: 54
            +1
            I personally think that the tsifiri are a bit confused in order to confuse illiterate citizens ... after all, military secret ... :) repeat But even without them, our "Tomahawks" on hypersound will have enough flight time to destroy the Pentagon! negative wassat crying
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        3. mangyst0007
          mangyst0007 14 July 2016 23: 52
          0
          This moment is extremely unimportant! :))) The main thing is that with any technical numbers of this MAX itself, our hypersounds will easily break through any missile defense of the Americans, and they will definitely bomb the Pentagon! I didn’t count how many such missiles would be needed, but one nuclear would be enough to immerse the rest of the world for Millenniums in the Normal World Order, in which there will no longer be attempts, first of all, from the USA itself, to redistribute the world and become masters of everything and everything! :))) drinks
      3. Simple
        Simple 5 July 2016 14: 24
        +1
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        and at the beginning of the article up to 1527 m / s (5,17М)

        everything is fine: 295,36 m / s

        what height / temperature P atm. choose?


        the author "didn't screw up"
        Quote: tolian
        And what speed of sound for Machs should I take?

        And what is the height, T, Ra? what environment (gas, atmosphere, water: fresh, marine) ??
        M is the ratio of the velocity of the moving medium V to local sound speed in the environment
        1. mangyst0007
          mangyst0007 15 July 2016 00: 01
          -1
          Imagine that you went to a boxing fight with Mike Tyson, or, which is much worse, with Bruce Lee! :))) What do you think is of fundamental importance in what environment they move their fists on your face ?! :))) )))) Gee-Gee-Gee ... The numbers were "shot down" in order to deliberately introduce confusion, after all, a military secret ... The main thing is that our hypersounds reach the Pentagon, even though our planes, according to their personal American opinion, only 4th class ... We have been in the 6th grade for a long time !!! soldier fellow laughing But if the whole world finds out about it, no one will buy outdated American 5s !! :)))
      4. mangyst0007
        mangyst0007 14 July 2016 23: 38
        0
        This is not important! The main thing is that hypersonic missiles cannot be stopped !!! :)))
    2. Pavel1
      Pavel1 5 July 2016 08: 02
      -9
      The target detection range with an EPR of 1 m2 (Silent Eagle with 2nd AMRAAM on external sling) is 300 km for Irbis-E and 63 km for AN / APG-3 (V) 145


      in order to talk about the detection ranges of airborne objects that have some equivalent dispersion area, one must not forget that the American has all the same emitting and receiving antennas, and ours only receiving, therefore, in order for IRBIS to detect a target, it needs to illuminate this target with an external an antenna, such as an AWACS aircraft.
      If aerial targets will not emit electromagnetic radiation i.e. If they observe the silence mode to the very distance of using their weapons, then all the advantages of the Su35 in the detection range of the radar and the range of missiles will be leveled. F15 will turn on the radar at a distance of 150 km and will find the necessary targets. Those. air combat may not be in favor of the su35, for some reason they don’t talk about it. Or do I don’t understand something?
      1. Malkor
        Malkor 5 July 2016 08: 57
        +6
        Hmm, if f15 turns on something - it will no longer need to shine, it will light up itself. I have heard recently there are developments on detection with exposure to reflection from artificial radio sources (transmitting communication stations, civil locators, etc.)
        1. mangyst0007
          mangyst0007 15 July 2016 00: 15
          0
          That's it, and I'm talking about the same! :)))) Our radar, thanks to my institute friend Vovka (not Pupkin), has long been ahead of everyone !!! drinks
      2. Greyjojo
        Greyjojo 5 July 2016 09: 02
        +23
        Quote: Paul1
        and ours is only the host, so in order for IRBIS to detect a target, it needs to illuminate this target with an external antenna, for example, an AWACS plane.

        Who told you such nonsense?
        in PFAR "passive" does not mean that nothing is emitted, but only that the elements of the array do not have their own sources of impulse, but a single source is used.
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 5 July 2016 09: 41
          +1
          Quote: GreyJoJo
          Who told you such nonsense?


          in PFAR "passive" does not mean that nothing is emitted, but only that the elements of the array do not have their own sources of impulse, but a single source is used.

          hi
      3. Greyjojo
        Greyjojo 5 July 2016 09: 02
        +1
        Quote: Paul1
        and ours is only the host, so in order for IRBIS to detect a target, it needs to illuminate this target with an external antenna, for example, an AWACS plane.

        Who told you such nonsense?
        in PFAR "passive" does not mean that nothing is emitted, but only that the elements of the array do not have their own sources of impulse, but a single source is used.
      4. Zveruga
        Zveruga 5 July 2016 11: 54
        +11
        Quote: Paul1
        and our only host

        Heresy. Passive PAR does not mean that there is no emitter. The emitter is there. The difference between AFAR and PFAR is that in PFAR the emitter is one, but very powerful. And in AFAR emitters are a huge number, but very weak.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 5 July 2016 12: 39
          +7
          .... and an increased cockpit midship, resulting in a decrease in speed from 2500 to 1900 km / h ....

          The decrease in maximum speed is caused not by a large cabin, but by the absence of wedges in the air intakes, since the main tasks of the Su-34 are solved at subsonic flight speeds. The space freed from additional equipment was filled with additional tanks, which added to the flight range.
          1. berezin1987
            berezin1987 5 July 2016 13: 26
            +2
            Let's hope that the updated Su-34 will receive more powerful engines with SWT from the Su-35.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 5 July 2016 15: 45
              +4
              Wow, some illiterate turkey PR.

              The author is not ashamed of you?

              Or you move yourself to the pedestal of a true connoisseur of the struggle among (then the word usually bans censorship).
              1. mangyst0007
                mangyst0007 15 July 2016 00: 26
                -1
                Quote: gladcu2
                Wow, some illiterate turkey PR.

                The author is not ashamed of you?

                Or you move yourself to the pedestal of a true connoisseur of the struggle among (then the word usually bans censorship).

                Here, personally, I am not even ashamed of the author! :))) Illiterate turkeys are sitting in the Pentagon !! They think of themselves as "everyone and everything" !! They are even honestly afraid to admit that our airplane has been in the 6th grade for a long time, unavailable for them indicators ?! Our plane is two weapons in one !!! Our main thing is to fly up to the flying distance, and shoot ... And our "winged tomahawks" do their job !!! :))) They flew, for example, to Sakhalin, and they shot a couple of nuclear hypersounds into the Pentagon! :))) And throughout the planet in the next 10 millennia, universal peace-friendship-chewing gum !!! Because the survivors will no longer have the desire to repeat this experience ... crying fellow wassat
            2. mangyst0007
              mangyst0007 15 July 2016 00: 26
              0
              Will definitely get it! :) soldier
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 5 July 2016 13: 26
            +1
            Rather, on the contrary, they were removed due to increased resistance while maintaining traction. Su-30 is also not very fast, by the way
            1. Pushkar77
              Pushkar77 5 July 2016 14: 47
              +2
              True, the Su-34 is too big a machine, it is incorrect to compare it with fighters. They recently wrote that he can replace the MiG-29 SMT, that something has suffered people, the car is simply being strongly promoted. As for the topic, both the F-15 and Su-35 have their own advantages and disadvantages. In the BVB "Sukhar" is strong (although it is a very expensive pleasure, 90 lamas of greenery in the BVB is too much), but the F-15 is also a high-altitude interceptor, there it is stronger, and if we take into account their very developed AWACS system, then they have advantages more, they just have the whole situation in the sky at a glance. I was still waiting for the A-100 to be built, but it seems to have been pushed as well, but they began to develop a hypersonic, multipurpose fighter of the sixth generation (it is doubtful to cross a hedgehog with a snake), although the fifth generation is still being cut for a long time and the launch into the series is being postponed. Then I thought that the money allocated for the MiG-41 went to this next wunderwafe. Artyom Mikoyan was once asked: - "Will he be able to create a perfect multi-role fighter?" To which he replied: - "I can, but the state will be ruined." It looks like we have decided to achieve this, tens of billions of greens fly into the pipe, there are no results. By the way, the author bent the Yak-130. Such a task was set (to simulate all types of aircraft of all countries), but it failed, this is understandable, because it is a utopia, especially for the fifth generation. Two cars were lost during testing due to conflicts in electronics for this very reason. Therefore, they are now trying to make something like a light drummer out of him. But they were afraid to send him to Syria, because the car has a weak thrust-to-weight ratio and at the same time the car is delicate, it will not rise high with a combat load and can become an easy victim of the charger. So what about the imitation of everything and everyone, you certainly bent the author. And what about the bombers did you mean that it can imitate the flight of the Tu-95, or Tu-160, you shouldn’t. In general, a training aircraft should not seem to be too complicated, pilots on them should get an initial skill. The Yak-130 is not a simple one, moreover, it is a complex machine. L-39, here is an example of a light simple machine for training flight personnel, and in Syria it works well on the ground, because it is light and not loaded with unnecessary "iron". Here in our country, two more training aircraft are being created, although it was possible to simply finish off the MiG-AT, which is close to the L-39, but we are not looking for easy ways, and if there are any, then we will complicate them ourselves, and much more then we stand and think for a long time what we have created and into what niche this "miracle" should be crammed.
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 7 December 2016 14: 19
                0
                Some kind of stream of consciousness.
      5. berezin1987
        berezin1987 5 July 2016 13: 23
        +2
        You are not right. Irbis also emits a signal, but it has one transmitter and many signal receivers. Hundreds of transceiver elements are installed in the AFAR radars and there is no mechanical antenna turn-over.
      6. adept666
        adept666 5 July 2016 14: 46
        0
        in order to talk about the detection ranges of airborne objects having some equivalent dispersion areas, one must not forget
        The article provides data for EPR in 1 m2. EPR F-15 (even stealth version) not less than 1 m2, i.e. The data in the article is approximately consistent with reality.
        then the American has all the same radiating and receiving antennas, and ours only receiving,
        AFAR and PFAR do not have many differences in terms of architecture. The AFAR also has an emitter, but only one (powerful) and many receivers (phase shifters) The AFAR has emitters as many as receivers (ideally), but they are low-power. At the same time, the existing AFM APM heterostructures do not solve the main minus of such a station - it heats up strongly and therefore requires complex temperature control (and this is weight, complexity, power consumption), which actually reduces its theoretical higher reliability (such as part of the APM failed - the rest work ( although there is also a lot of BUT))
      7. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 5 July 2016 16: 43
        +1
        Quote: Paul1
        Or do I not understand something?


        Do not understand. Passive HEADLIGHT does not mean that. that she has no emitter. The source of the scanning (scanning) signal-s / s is one, and there are many emitters / receivers (transceiver modules). Focusing both transmitted and received signals is carried out using electronic control.
      8. mangyst0007
        mangyst0007 15 July 2016 00: 12
        0
        You really are a little mistaken! :))) The flight time of our hypersonic "tomahawks" is at a distance of 150 km (if the F15 still manages to approach this distance !!) - SECONDS !!! crying Do you think that the Americans will manage to do a lot during this time? :))) And the main thing is that our "tomahawks" cannot be stopped by anything !!! :))))))))))))
    3. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 5 July 2016 14: 20
      +6
      Dave Majumdar and Damantsev have a lot in common, both are equally competent. And in principle they both do the same thing. One of them scares the Western inhabitants with Russian horror stories, and the other feeds Russian "hurray-patriots" with illiterate opuses about how strong we are.
    4. mangyst0007
      mangyst0007 14 July 2016 23: 37
      -1
      For the especially blind, read the article below !! The radars are disassembled there in detail! :))) Until the end, you must carefully read everything ... The fact that "tactical fighters" in the Russian Air Force "never existed as a class" does not mean the fact that they do not exist De facto! It's like when the first car appeared, people would say, "They do not exist" ... :) The article is quite literate and qualified. Unlike the nonsense of a Vietnamese specialist ... In fact In fact, our plane has long been the 6th generation !!! But the Americans are modestly silent about this ... :)))))) Similarly to how a certain citizen Zyugain modestly keeps silent about the fact that Real Communism in the USSR and the Russian Federation, respectively , built a long time ago, at least within the Garden Ring !! For example, having a huge salary, this Zyugain dines in the deputy canteen, where dinners cost mere pennies, and which cost him much cheaper than homeless people from the Kazan station. I digress for an example. The question is what class can be attributed to an airplane, which, just flying up to the borders of our her homeland, can release 8 tons of homing Hypersonic missiles, the range of which will conditionally take for a flight to the Pentagon ?! :))) It doesn't matter what speeds are exactly indicated in the article, it is important that it is impossible to stop hypersonic missiles! What means of US aviation are able to resist such weapons ?! ANSWER-NO !!! :))) Our aircraft have long been 6 !! ! And the States are trying to sell their obsolete 4s to the whole world !! :)))
  2. vietnam7
    vietnam7 5 July 2016 06: 45
    +11
    "He believes that Silent Eagle can only succeed thanks to the different element base, but completely neglects the comparative characteristics of this base with ours, which is an order of magnitude higher than the American one." - It sounds beautiful, of course, but the order is tenfold, do our planes already communicate with other worlds?
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 5 July 2016 06: 50
      +6
      Quote: vietnam7
      “He believes that Silent Eagle can only succeed thanks to the different element base, but he completely neglects the comparative characteristics of this base with ours, which is an order of magnitude higher than the American one.” - It sounds beautiful, of course, but the order is ten times, unless our aircraft already communicating with other worlds?

      Mathematics is not for Damantsev No. Yes, God bless her with mathematics, but since the author undertakes to describe the composition of the armament of the Su-35С, why doesn’t he speak to which UR planes of the 23 IAP carry a database, and why did this happen? And yet such a task as covering the true state of affairs before this author never stood, draw the main picture better and mix adversaries with mud.
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 5 July 2016 09: 13
        +2
        Quote: Bongo
        with which SD aircraft of the 23 IAP carry a database, and why did this happen?


        Here by the way with what?

        Quote: Bongo
        The shock capabilities of the Su-35С are approximately at the level of the Su-27СМ - i.e. free-falling bombs and NAR.


        Well, cab-500s should be pulled, even on the long-suffering 34-ki, if any.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 5 July 2016 10: 25
          +3
          Quote: Falcon
          Here by the way with what?

          Well, you yourself, what can you suggest, are there really many options?
          Quote: Falcon
          Well, cab-500s should be pulled, even on the long-suffering 34-ki, if any.

          Su-34, by definition, should carry them. At least I have not heard about the combat use of the Su-35 with the 23 go on ground targets. They just figured out with air combat ur.
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 5 July 2016 10: 34
            +1
            Quote: Bongo
            Well, you yourself, what can you suggest, are there really many options?


            The photo looks like P-27 and P-73. It seems the media said that they were with RVV-SD in Syria? I didn’t see the photo.

            Quote: Bongo
            Su-34, by definition, should carry them. At least I have not heard about the combat use of the Su-35 with the 23 go on ground targets. They just figured out with air combat ur.


            Do you seem to own insider? No wonder you live nearby! fellow
            I would like to believe that the manufacturer not only listed everything in the booklet fellow And the so-called. The "dark cockpit", which is especially important for ground targets, really works there. recourse

            About Su-34 - they said they didn’t adopt the Cab-500s at all until they appeared in Syria. This fact surprised me.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 5 July 2016 10: 48
              +3
              Quote: Falcon
              The photo looks like P-27 and P-73.

              yes
              Quote: Falcon
              Do you seem to own insider? No wonder you live nearby!
              I would like to believe that the manufacturer not only listed everything in the booklet

              I don’t want to dwell on this topic so as not to "get hit in the head." But take an interest in the production history of modern air combat missiles over the past few years.
              1. Falcon
                Falcon 5 July 2016 10: 54
                +5
                Quote: Bongo
                I don’t want to dwell on this topic so as not to "get hit in the head." But take an interest in the production history of modern air combat missiles over the past few years.


                Here is a bug! Knows but is silent laughing


        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 5 July 2016 10: 39
          +3
          Quote: Falcon
          Here by the way with what?

          They seem to fly with R-27 (middle distance) and R-73 (damn).
          It seems like RVV-MD and SD are somehow used, but nothing is heard from the database. Maybe someone knows what ?!
          The picture is true Su-27. Just the most common air-to-air missiles are clearly visible.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 5 July 2016 10: 49
            +6
            Quote: silver_roman
            It seems like RVV-MD and SD are somehow used, but nothing is heard from the database.

            And not visible! Shoigu at the beginning of the year at the plant in Komsomolsk not just pounded the table with his fist.
          2. Falcon
            Falcon 5 July 2016 10: 49
            +1
            Quote: silver_roman
            They seem to fly with R-27 (middle distance) and R-73 (damn).
            It seems like RVV-MD and SD are somehow used, but nothing is heard from the database. Maybe someone knows what ?!
            The picture is true Su-27. Just the most common air-to-air missiles are clearly visible.


            DBs seem to not do it yet. But they talked about CD and MD in the media, but these media are like that ... There are interesting photos from CD / MD ???
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 5 July 2016 11: 05
              +5
              RVV-SD and MD.
              1. Falcon
                Falcon 5 July 2016 11: 08
                0
                Quote: silver_roman
                RVV-SD and MD.


                No, I meant the photo of Su-35s from Syria with MD / SD, in confirmation that they really were on it.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 5 July 2016 12: 25
                  +1
                  ahh, well, that's too cool. why show the enemies with what weapons they fly on aircraft ?!
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 5 July 2016 12: 30
                    +4
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    ahh, well, that's too cool. why show the enemies with what weapons they fly on aircraft ?!

                    Do you sincerely believe that the "partners" do not know this?
                2. adept666
                  adept666 5 July 2016 14: 55
                  +7
                  No, I meant the photo of Su-35s from Syria with MD / SD, in confirmation that they really were on it.
                  Watch from 2: 32:
                  1. Falcon
                    Falcon 5 July 2016 15: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: adept666
                    No, I meant the photo of Su-35s from Syria with MD / SD, in confirmation that they really were on it.
                    Watch from 2: 32:


                    +! She is darling, thanks! yes
                  2. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 6 July 2016 12: 45
                    0
                    And this is RVV-SD. So the rumors are true. It is very gorgeous!
            2. Odysseus
              Odysseus 5 July 2016 12: 15
              +1
              There is an 23 shelf with a RVV-SD. There are no databases yet.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 5 July 2016 12: 21
                +3
                Quote: Odyssey
                There is an 23 shelf with a RVV-SD. There are no databases yet.

                By DB I meant combat duty on duty.
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 5 July 2016 13: 28
            0
            On standing on combat duty for a pair of RVV-AE flashed.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 5 July 2016 13: 31
              +1
              Quote: EvilLion
              On standing on combat duty for a pair of RVV-AE flashed.

              in 23-m Iap on Jomga?
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 5 July 2016 22: 08
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        Mathematics is not for Damantsev. God bless her with mathematics, but since the author undertakes to describe the composition of the Su-35S weapons, why doesn’t he speak to which UR aircraft of the 23rd IAP carry DB, and why did this happen?

        And how many in the ranks of the US Air Force F-15SE "Silent Eagle"?
  3. vietnam7
    vietnam7 5 July 2016 06: 56
    +3
    Quote: Bongo
    why doesn’t he speak to which UR the aircraft of the 23rd IAP carry a DB, and why did this happen?
    -Good morning Sergey, a good occasion for a response article. If it’s no secret working on any series? When to expect?
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 5 July 2016 07: 47
      +26
      Quote: vietnam7
      Good morning Sergey, a good reason for a response article. If it’s no secret working on any series? When to expect?

      Good morning! If I write answers to all the opuses of Damantsev, my wife will drive me out of the house, so my brain bites that I spend too much time at the computer. Now I am finishing the second part of the alternative about the Caribbean crisis. And there isn’t much time to write, the street has a short northern summer, grayling is warm and wonderful to catch.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 5 July 2016 07: 53
        +4
        Quote: Bongo
        I spend too much time at the computer.

        Here is a man, you don’t need to sit, especially when
        Quote: Bongo
        Fine grayling.

        I envy. good
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 5 July 2016 12: 10
        +3
        Quote: Bongo
        the street has a short northern summer, grayling is warm and beautifully caught.

        Here zhezh delicious fellow
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 5 July 2016 12: 17
          +5
          Quote: Odyssey
          Here zhezh delicious

          The fried and dried grayling is incomparable! good But in my opinion stroganin from taimen is tastier. Recently made a scarecrow out of the head of an 20-kg timer.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 5 July 2016 12: 31
            +7
            Quote: Bongo
            But in my opinion stroganin from taimen is tastier. Recently made a scarecrow out of the head of an 20-kg timer.

            Ahhh, dear Bongo stop scoffing at the unfortunate inhabitants of the European part of Russia for whom the little prank in joy fellow
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 5 July 2016 12: 40
              +6
              Quote: Odyssey
              Ahhh, dear Bongo stop scoffing at the unfortunate inhabitants of the European part of Russia for whom the little prank in joy

              What's the problem? Catch the taimen for everyone, well, or almost everyone ... living in the Far East. Only this unique opportunity does not stop the outflow of population into the European part of the country.
              1. marshes
                marshes 5 July 2016 13: 22
                +1
                Quote: Bongo
                Only this unique opportunity does not stop the outflow of population into the European part of the country.

                You have to be a real "FIST" - just "put" on the power to live your life, There is only one problem if the spouse does not want to live such a life. So it is better to marry from a village and a family in which there were at least two children. smile
                DV, are they still driving cars from Japan? If you live then right-handed "killers", those that can be finished off. Not bad, Delica or Pradik-hardy damn.
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 5 July 2016 13: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: marshes
                  DV, are they still driving cars from Japan? If you live then right-handed "killers", those that can be finished off. Not bad, Delica or Pradik-hardy damn.

                  They drive, but much less after duties have risen and the dollar has risen, the market has practically stood up.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 5 July 2016 13: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Bongo
                    They drive, but much less after duties have risen and the dollar has risen, the market has practically stood up.

                    We were banned from importing right-handed ones, those that were imported were completely worn out. Pradik 96g. bought in 2006 he left for three years, he gave his relatives a living habitation with automatic transmission, and in 2008 they gave him uncle shniva, the huntsman died in 2012, the salent blocks and the body of the salt marsh ate. The engine was thrown onto a field in 1986.
                    1. Come on
                      Come on 5 July 2016 22: 57
                      +1
                      Interestingly, in Europe, among the "mountain peoples", Bavarians, Swabians, Swiss Niva has long been there, although all from the 90s, early 2000s. And I suspect in Europe there were copies of better quality. We have lived that the specialized press does not advise buying VAZ products, since terrible crush tests, the equipment at the level of Koreans in the early 90s is unsafe, well, it does not attract competitors to the same Dacha .. What does European car brands pay taxes, and not how they eat vases.
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 5 July 2016 23: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Yeah, well.
                        Interestingly, in Europe, among the "mountain peoples", Bavarians, Swabians, Swiss Niva has long been there, although all from the 90s, early 2000s.

                        I'm from there Mitsubishi Outlander 2002. drove. smile
                        Quote: Yeah, well.
                        And I suspect more specimens were coming to Europe.

                        in your Deutschland, the bolts were changed and the anticorrosion was done. They showed it on TV. smile
                      2. mangyst0007
                        mangyst0007 15 July 2016 01: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Yeah, well.
                        Interestingly, in Europe, among the "mountain peoples", Bavarians, Swabians, Swiss Niva has long been there, although all from the 90s, early 2000s. And I suspect in Europe there were copies of better quality. We have lived that the specialized press does not advise buying VAZ products, since terrible crush tests, the equipment at the level of Koreans in the early 90s is unsafe, well, it does not attract competitors to the same Dacha .. What does European car brands pay taxes, and not how they eat vases.

                        Crash tests of homosexual-ropean are cheap for ordinary people !!!! They dispersed directly, and entered the car into the wall ... They crash into Reality more often at an angle, at different angles! And I still don't know a single one among cars that would be compared in terms of safety with the GAZ 21 "Volga", although there is not a single pillow on it ..! ("Victory" does not count) The guys told how they accelerated on the highway at about 120, and did not fit into the turn ... the roadside into the forest, there is a birch in front, 20 centimeters in girth ... We realized that everyone is a kirdyk !! The car cut a birch, rolled a little more, and stopped ... We left the front bumper slightly dented ..... Everyone is alive and well until Now! Here is a Real Crash Test !!! And not cheap tricks of plastic cars for suicides ... :) Real safety is not determined by the operation of airbags, it is in the design of the car! As well as the flight qualities of any aircraft, which must be determined more and planning, if possible, in case of engine failure! .. Yes, even about cheap "morally" foreign cars. Five, not counting in the driver, tried to pull out a certain foreign car (Renault or something like that, I don't remember) from the rut that formed in the shallow snow on the sidewalk ..... Neither forward nor back?! :))) one, when she was standing downhill with her front wheels, in a hole in front of the gate of the kindergarten ... I rested my back against the gate and pushed it out! :)
                2. Civilian62
                  Civilian62 9 July 2016 10: 20
                  0
                  Good afternoon. We are in the Far East now in favor prius. A good reliable car. Prices have certainly risen, but people still prefer Japanese women, although Koreans and French / Renault / are not going bad either.
                  1. mangyst0007
                    mangyst0007 15 July 2016 01: 08
                    0
                    Yeah. Five (5 adult men!), Not counting the driver, tried to pull the Renault foreign car out of the rut ... the track was on smooth asphalt, the snow was only 20-25cm ... Neither forward nor backward ... While the cash-in-transit armored car hardly pulled out in reverse ?! negative The whole front-wheel drive is not for our roads !!!! Like right-hand drive "killers" !!!! He pushed out the domestic "Zhigulyonka"
                    back from the pit into which he entered at an angle in front of the kindergarten gates. I just rested my back on the gate ... :) good
          2. Kotyara Fat
            Kotyara Fat 5 July 2016 22: 46
            0
            Hello! People! Hare to poison, ah! One with graylings, the second with toymen! At least take a job and leave for a week fishing!
          3. mangyst0007
            mangyst0007 15 July 2016 01: 09
            0
            No need to sniff at the fish !!!!: (((( crying
  4. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 5 July 2016 07: 06
    +4
    There is absolutely nothing to talk about, about any competence ... just a PAID PISAKA (if not simpler) Nama Thanga hi
    1. Leto
      Leto 5 July 2016 07: 30
      +4
      Quote: Vyacheslav73
      There is absolutely nothing to talk about, about any competence ... just a PAID PISAKA (if not simpler) Nama Thanga hi

      Nam Thang is an invention of a dishonest journalist, there is no such name, in Vietnamese this is the year for us, and thang is the month, for example, today's date is in Vietnamese 5 date of 7 year of 2016. You are being deceived.
      1. RUSOIVAN
        RUSOIVAN 5 July 2016 10: 58
        +1
        In large angles, the American radar does not see anything, but ours sees with the same range as the American EPICALLY!)
        -What are you doing?
        -Nothing
        -And you?
        And I'm helping him!)
    2. Verdun
      Verdun 5 July 2016 11: 04
      +4
      Quote: Vyacheslav73
      There is absolutely nothing to talk about, about any competence ..

      What competence can there be? Is it really competent to compare a commercially available dry machine with the F-15SE, which exists only in prototypes? At the same time, the queue for the purchase of the F-15SE is not yet observed ...
  5. Wolka
    Wolka 5 July 2016 07: 11
    +2
    Well, I want the Vietnamese to try the American frog, well, I really want to, let them try for their hard-earned money ... why should we worry about them
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 5 July 2016 14: 44
      0
      Quote: Volka
      Well, I want the Vietnamese to try the American frog, well, I really want to, let them try for their hard-earned money ... why should we worry about them

      Or maybe it was them who asked Russia to have the opportunity to touch American know-how with their own hands? repeat
  6. Tsoy
    Tsoy 5 July 2016 07: 14
    +8
    Su35 fifty in service, F15 on the prototype did not go. There were rumors about participation in tenders in Korea, Saudi Arabia, Israel, but the latest news dates back to 2013 a year. It simply does not need anyone at a price comparable to F35. Sense to compare an unsuccessful attempt to squeeze all the juice out of F15 and tuning try to catch up with the new generation?

    In addition, the F15E was used as a basis for ground work, and it is not correct to compare it with the "purebred" SU35 fighter.
    1. Leto
      Leto 5 July 2016 07: 22
      +1
      Quote: Choi
      In addition, the F15E was used as a basis for ground work, and it is not correct to compare it with the "purebred" SU35 fighter.

      The F15E, like the Su-35S, are versatile vehicles capable of operating both as a fighter-interceptor and as a strike aircraft. Currently, modern equipment allows you to move away from "sharpening".
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 5 July 2016 07: 49
        +2
        Quote: Leto
        The F15E, like the Su-35S, are versatile vehicles capable of operating both as a fighter-interceptor and as a strike aircraft. Currently, modern equipment allows you to move away from "sharpening".

        Ivan, with all due respect, but here you are mistaken. request The shock capabilities of Su-35С at the moment are approximately at the level of Su-27СМ - i.e. free-falling bombs and NAR.
        1. Leto
          Leto 5 July 2016 08: 16
          0
          Quote: Bongo
          The shock capabilities of the Su-35С are approximately at the level of the Su-27СМ - i.e. free-falling bombs and NAR.

          I do not know how it is in reality, but the developer indicates almost the entire range of domestic air-to-ground ASPs controlled.
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 5 July 2016 09: 58
          +3
          Well, they won’t be like this forever. This is a common occurrence when the development of air defense weapons is delayed relative to the BB.And on the Su-35, probably not all BB bugs have been caught.
        3. Odysseus
          Odysseus 5 July 2016 12: 09
          +4
          Quote: Bongo
          Ivan, with all due respect, but here you are mistaken. The shock capabilities of the Su-35S are approximately at the level of the Su-27SM - i.e. free-falling bombs and NAR.

          The main thing is not to tell the Operator about it smile
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 5 July 2016 12: 18
            +4
            Quote: Odyssey
            The main thing is not to tell the Operator about it

            I will not say! lol
        4. Fulcrumxnumx
          5 July 2016 14: 06
          +1
          There is no delusion here and it is close))) The strike capabilities of the Su-35S are an order of magnitude higher than the capabilities of the Su-27SM. Firstly, this is due to the NO35 radar, which detects ground / sea targets at ranges 2,5 - 3 times greater than the coherent impulse N001VEP: a missile boat with an EPR of 500 m2 is detected by Irbis at a distance of 150 km, VEP - at 50 - 70 km. This is not surprising, because the peak power of the first is 18,6 kW, the second is 4 kW. This means that in order to search and destroy long-range targets, the Su-35S does not need external target designation at 3 times greater distances. The Irbis has many times more operating modes, and the range of missile and bomb weapons is much wider than that of the Su-27SM.

          As far as I understand, you are stuck during the Korean War that only "free-fall bombs and NAR" are the strike weapons for you !!!)))
          1. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 5 July 2016 14: 26
            +3
            Quote: Fulcrum29
            There is no delusion here and close))) The percussion capabilities of the Su-35С are much higher than the capabilities of the Su-27СМ.

            An order of magnitude is 10 times!
            Quote: Fulcrum29
            As far as I understand, you are stuck during the Korean War that only "free-fall bombs and NAR" are the strike weapons for you !!!)))

            Doesn't it make it difficult for you to publish a photo of a front-mounted Su-35С with strike armament? And what does the MiG-27 have to do with the Su-35С?
            1. Fulcrumxnumx
              5 July 2016 14: 55
              0
              The front-line machines are now mainly involved in air defense, the shock tasks on the 34 are lying, and the nomenclature of armaments is already clear .. When the VCS is required, Su-35C will solve any problem, but catch an example!)
              1. Falcon
                Falcon 6 July 2016 08: 18
                +1
                Quote: Fulcrum29
                The front-line machines are now mainly involved in air defense, the shock tasks on the 34 are lying, and the nomenclature of armaments is already clear .. When the VCS is required, Su-35C will solve any problem, but catch an example!)


                It is very sad! That's true, you are the author of the articles, and bring a picture from the exhibition where on APUshki mock-ups of everything are hung. You really do not understand the difference between advertising and the real state of affairs? At the same time, write on the military portal ...

              2. zyablik.olga
                zyablik.olga 6 July 2016 11: 16
                +5
                Quote: Fulcrum29
                The front-line machines are now mainly involved in air defense, the shock tasks on the 34 are lying, and the nomenclature of armaments is already clear .. When the VCS is required, Su-35C will solve any problem, but catch an example!)

                Damantsy, not only that you are muddle, but also a liar. am Is it a drill machine? stop Do not tell me from which regiment? fool What is the point to upload photos with layouts? Maybe it's time to quit?
            2. Fulcrumxnumx
              5 July 2016 15: 02
              -5
              And the MiG-27 here means that even old fighter-bombers could already use the WTO, and Bongo only talks about NURSs and free-fall bombs, for which, even if you crack, there is no huge difference in the parameters of avionics between the Su-27SM and the Su-35S absolutely no value!))) In this "wooden" way, a person decided to equalize the capabilities of work "on the ground" in two completely different multi-role fighters
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus 5 July 2016 18: 41
                +2
                Quote: Fulcrum29
                And the MiG-27 is here to ensure that even the old fighter-bombers could already use the WTO

                The MiG-27 could (especially the guillemot), but the Su-35 cannot now.
                Quote: Fulcrum29
                and Bongo speaks only about NURSs and free-falling bombs,

                He does it right. So it really is.
                Quote: Fulcrum29
                In this "wooden" way, a man decided to equalize the capabilities of work "on the ground" in two completely different multi-role fighters.

                In theory, the Su-35, of course, is better than the Su-27SM on the ground. But so far this is only a theory. But in any case, it will not be able to equal the F-15E in this. Yes, and not to set such targets, they are trained "under the air" ...
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    2. Bongo
      Bongo 5 July 2016 07: 54
      +3
      Quote: Choi
      F15 did not go beyond the prototype. There were rumors about tenders in Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, but the latest news dates back to 2013. Nobody needs it at a price comparable to F35. The point is to compare an unsuccessful attempt to squeeze out all the juices from F15 and try to catch up with the tuning to a new generation?

      Not really, deliveries of very advanced modifications of the F-15 until recently were carried out to Saudi Arabia and Israel. Saudi F-15SA and Israeli F-15I are significantly superior to American cars in their capabilities.
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 5 July 2016 08: 42
        +2
        Quote: Bongo
        advanced modifications of the F-15


        Uh-huh, this is when F15 went to export with afar, and in the air force units even the work did not start on modification. All the best to the allies.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 5 July 2016 10: 42
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        Saudi F-15SA and Israeli F-15I in their capabilities significantly surpass American cars.

        I heard that Jews are given almost the exclusive right to upgrade the Yankees technique. there is a desire and skills for this.
        And who is making improvements to the Arabs (Saudis)? Their competence is at least in doubt.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 5 July 2016 10: 51
          +2
          Quote: silver_roman
          I heard that Jews are given almost the exclusive right to upgrade the Yankees technique. there is a desire and skills for this.
          And who is making improvements to the Arabs (Saudis)? Their competence is at least in doubt.

          The Saudis are buying new F-15SA, the existing Boeing company is upgrading the existing ones.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 5 July 2016 11: 10
            0
            Those. It turns out that F-15SA is better than F-15SE? Something I'm confused.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 5 July 2016 11: 34
              +1
              Quote: silver_roman
              Those. It turns out that F-15SA is better than F-15SE? Something I'm confused.

              Not. SA is the development of the S-line F-15 line for Saudi Arabia with certain restrictions
            2. Tsoy
              Tsoy 5 July 2016 12: 02
              +3
              Quote: silver_roman
              F-15SA better than F-15SE?


              F15 SA is the most advanced serial version of this aircraft. Radar afar apg-63v3 aesa, updated glass cabin, digital data transmission systems, engines General Electric F-110 GE-129 and helmet-mounted target designation system. The Saudis ordered the construction of 84 new aircraft and the supply of 70 F15S retrofit kits. Many F15SA developments have been implemented for Silent eagle.

              F15SE went further. In addition to the filling, the structure itself has undergone changes. Comfortable fuel tanks, application of stealth technology solutions, spaced tail, radio-absorbing coatings, internal weapons bays, digital EW system (DEWS) from BAE, new digital control system, helmet-assisted target designation. Engines General Electric F110-GE-129 or Pratt & Whitney F 100-PW-229. Displays in the cab by the way from the Elbit (11in x 19in Large Area Display (LAD)). 100 cost mil. dead presidents. And this is only the assessment of the manufacturer. It is possible that this is not the final cost. Again, the manufacturer claims that the EPR in the front projection was reduced significantly, and F15SE meets the fifth generation standards approved for export by Congress. The market is rated at 190 machines. But that was before South Korea chose F35.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 5 July 2016 11: 01
          +1
          Quote: silver_roman
          And who is making improvements to the Arabs (Saudis)? Their competence is at least in doubt.

          Company manufacturer
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 5 July 2016 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        Not really, deliveries of very advanced modifications of the F-15 until recently were carried out to Saudi Arabia and Israel. Saudi F-15SA and Israeli F-15I are significantly superior to American cars in their capabilities.

        The last F15 deliveries were not made to Israel (F15Is were delivered in the late 90s). Only self-upgrading of the entire F15 fleet to the "Raam" version
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 July 2016 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: Choi
      F15 did not go further than the prototype

      belay
      1. Falcon
        Falcon 5 July 2016 09: 27
        +5
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Choi
        F15 did not go further than the prototype

        belay


        I think Comrade means F-15 Silent Eagle
        1. Tsoy
          Tsoy 5 July 2016 09: 43
          +4
          Ugum) Thanks for the clarification.))
    4. Winnie76
      Winnie76 5 July 2016 22: 23
      -2
      Quote: Choi
      Nobody needs it at a price comparable to the F35. The point is to compare an unsuccessful attempt to squeeze out all the juices from F15 and try to catch up with the tuning to catch up with the new generation?

      F-15 is a magnificent expensive heavy class car with two engines, time-tested, with a bunch of air victories and almost no defeat. A F-35 Penguin - a flying misunderstanding, the only plus - stealth
  7. Leto
    Leto 5 July 2016 07: 16
    +13
    Yevgeny Damantsev, absolutely disregarded by me, you became a victim of outright deception of the journalist who was the first to publish the translation of the article by Vietnamese expert Nam Thang. The military-industrial complex refers to the resource http://kienthuc.net.vn, but the articles of the journalist Năm Tháng are not there, in general Năm Tháng is translated as five months, more Vietnamese indicate Năm as the year and Tháng as the month when they write the date. The resource http://kienthuc.net.vn does have a note regarding the Su-35, but it does not compare with the F-15SE Silent Eagle, but with the F-15C and its author is Zing.
    There is no word in the note about
    Nam Thang, inspired by the lifting of the US arms embargo announced by Barack Obama during a visit to Hanoi
    , these are all inventions and all curses against the nonexistent Nam Thang are groundless.
    Eugene, you indicated a list of references at the end of the article, but did not indicate the address of the original article in connection with this, I draw a definite conclusion that you simply did not read it.
    Original: http://kienthuc.net.vn/vu-khi/so-sanh-may-bay-f-15-va-su-35-viet-nam-co-the-mua-
    700578.html # p-9
  8. Cu6up9k
    Cu6up9k 5 July 2016 07: 47
    +2
    There is a clear desire to grab a bite in case of signing contracts with the United States. After all, it will be possible to claim that these contracts took place solely due to the publication of his reports.
  9. Bongo
    Bongo 5 July 2016 08: 43
    +2
    Quote: Leto
    I do not know how it is in reality, but the developer indicates almost the entire range of domestic air-to-ground ASPs controlled.

    These are "Wishlist" from the same opera as the X-25L on the MiG-31.
  10. Vivan
    Vivan 5 July 2016 10: 00
    +24
    Quote: Leto
    Yevgeny Damantsev, absolutely disregarded by me, you became a victim of outright deception of the journalist who was the first to publish the translation of the article by Vietnamese expert Nam Thang. The military-industrial complex refers to the resource http://kienthuc.net.vn, but the articles of the journalist Năm Tháng are not there, in general Năm Tháng is translated as five months, more Vietnamese indicate Năm as the year and Tháng as the month when they write the date. The resource http://kienthuc.net.vn does have a note regarding the Su-35, but it does not compare with the F-15SE Silent Eagle, but with the F-15C and its author is Zing.
    There is no word in the note about
    Nam Thang, inspired by the lifting of the US arms embargo announced by Barack Obama during a visit to Hanoi
    , these are all inventions and all curses against the nonexistent Nam Thang are groundless.
    Eugene, you indicated a list of references at the end of the article, but did not indicate the address of the original article in connection with this, I draw a definite conclusion that you simply did not read it.
    Original: http://kienthuc.net.vn/vu-khi/so-sanh-may-bay-f-15-va-su-35-viet-nam-co-the-mua-

    700578.html # p-9

    I am Vietnamese. I am not making any conclusions so far, and I have only a few comments:
    1) Regarding the author Nam Thang. If in Vietnamese it is Năm Tháng, then it’s just very funny (something like Month Godovich), but the option Nam Thắng (literally: “southern victory”) is also possible, which is quite suitable as an alias. I know the names of several Vietnamese weapons experts, but Nam Thắng is not among them. Most likely this is the fictitious name of some journalist;
    2) I carefully searched on //kienthuc.net.vn/vu-khi/ (vu-khi = weapons), but found only the note provided by the Leto forum member. There is no article with an analysis of the performance characteristics of the Su-35 and F-15.
  11. Forest
    Forest 5 July 2016 10: 39
    +2
    Whatever it was, but the Su-35S is primarily a fighter for gaining air supremacy with the pleasant possibility of striking the ground. Silent Eagle is imprisoned for strike operations with the ability to fight off enemy fighters and defend his base in aerial combat.
  12. Arkan
    Arkan 5 July 2016 10: 44
    +2
    This "expert" simply receives a ration from the Americans, and his task does not include an objective comparison of performance characteristics.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 5 July 2016 11: 02
      +3
      Quote: Arkan
      This "expert" simply receives a ration from the Americans, and his task does not include an objective comparison of performance characteristics.

      Is it about Damantsev? It is quite possible 8)
  13. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 5 July 2016 10: 45
    -8
    Do we really need this Hun Mun? When I was teaching some Vietnamese, everything was clear, especially with alternating current. Almost every second asked why the wires do not flow, but the current goes here and there. This Hun is probably one of the same. In vain the author about this freak I wrote, it would be better if I made some useful article about military equipment, that would be it.
  14. Vivan
    Vivan 5 July 2016 11: 12
    +4
    Quote: Tambov Wolf
    Do we really need this Hun Mun? When I was teaching some Vietnamese, everything was clear, especially with alternating current. Almost every second asked why the wires do not flow, but the current goes here and there. This Hun is probably one of the same. In vain the author about this freak I wrote, it would be better if I made some useful article about military equipment, that would be it.

    Dear, you obviously went too far.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 5 July 2016 11: 36
      +3
      Quote: Vivan

      Dear, you obviously went too far.

      And why is he dear? Yes, in no way. As always, nonsense wrote, and even with a racist touch. Well, well done.
  15. Operator
    Operator 5 July 2016 12: 21
    0
    Compare multifunctional fighter Su-35С with highly specialized drummer F-15 Silent Eagle - the top of incompetence.

    Drying merges the Needle according to all flight performance specifications, with the exception of flight speed (legacy of the 1970's) and bomb load. Maneuverability (including all-round UVT), radar, missile weapons, the amount of fuel in internal tanks, etc. etc. - for all Eagles is a complete sediment in comparison with Drying.

    In terms of its performance, the Su-35C exceeds the fifth-generation fighter F-22 (with the exception of the notorious EPR), where does the Eagle in general - a stub of the Cold War?

    The cost of Su-35С at the moment is not 60, but only 30 million US dollars at the current rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

    If we take into account the expanding serial production of the Su-35С and the only exhibition copy of the F-15 Silent Eagle, then we can unequivocally confirm that Russia and China have the best (by price / quality criteria) front-line fighter-interceptor-strike aircraft in the world. Vietnam and other countries - potential buyers should pay attention to this unique product of the Russian defense industry.
    1. Fulcrumxnumx
      5 July 2016 13: 24
      -3
      The fact that the Su-35S is superior to the Silent Needle in all flight characteristics and combat qualities of the avionics is understandable to the donkey!))) But the fact that the F-15SE is a highly specialized machine is complete nonsense. Even the tactical "Strike Eagle" is a multifunctional fighter, not to mention the F-15SE with its new radar AN / APG-63 (V) 3))) And yet, tighten up the problems with literacy, it is not "incompetence" that is spelled correctly, but " incompetence"!)))
      1. Operator
        Operator 5 July 2016 13: 53
        +3
        Thanks for editing my grammar.

        However, judging by the comments, the total superiority of the Su-35S over the F-15SE, "understandable to a donkey" (C), remains incomprehensible to idolaters of the western wunderval.

        Of course, all modifications of the F-15, including the two-seater in question, can use air-to-air missiles. But this can be done by all tactical and front-line bomber aircraft without exception, including the ancient Su-24.

        It is not a set of weapons and the corresponding avionics that makes an aircraft a fighter, but maneuverability that allows you to win in a close-range battle, as well as escape with an overload of 10 g from an air-to-air missile at medium and long range (after running out of fuel in the rocket's cruise engine) ...

        According to the indicators of thrust-weight ratio, wing loading, the possibility of UVT, the maximum operational overload of the F-15SE as a fighter, it is a complete lag compared to not only the unique Su-35С, but even the two-seater Su-30.

        Eagle can not surpass the Su-35С even in its sphere of competence - impact capabilities, since its notorious 10 tons of bomb load are achieved only at a much shorter range (due to the small amount of fuel in the internal tanks).
        In the case of the use of suspended or conformal fuel tanks, the combat load of the F-15SE compares with the combat load of the Su-35С, which gives a special piquancy to all the saliva of idol-worshipers of the Needle.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 July 2016 17: 46
      +2
      "The cost of the Su-35S at the moment is not 60, but only
      only 30 million US dollars at the current exchange rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation "////

      Where do they sell for 30 ??? belay
      We are buying the whole lot! good

      But the Chinese laughed like children, bought 83 million ...

      the People's Liberation Army Air Force will receive twenty-four jets
      for a total of $ 2 billion dollars. The unit price for each Su-35S is expected to be $ 83 million.
      China officially became the first foreign customer of the Su-35 is unprecedented in
      the history of the contract deliveries of combat aircraft,
      1. Operator
        Operator 5 July 2016 17: 49
        0
        Velkam - for Su-35С contact Rosoboronexport (tell me what is from me) laughing
        The Chinese bought before the change in the ruble exchange rate and KnAPO access to the large-scale production of Dryers.
      2. marshes
        marshes 5 July 2016 17: 58
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Where do they sell for 30 ???
        We are buying the whole lot

        For internal needs or join the CSTO. laughing Su 30 SM for 26-28 killed raccoons you can buy.
        By the way, with your "processing" SU -30 CM in 35 Lyamov will become.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        But the Chinese laughed like children, bought 83 million ...

        Their problem ... laughing
  16. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 5 July 2016 13: 15
    0
    It is clear even to an unexperienced and sophisticated person that these are completely different planes. And the Su-35 can easily cope with any of the existing opponents.
    that he wants to convey Nam Thang to readers,
    What? Some garbage told.
  17. XODOP
    XODOP 5 July 2016 13: 23
    +1
    some sort of Vietnamese sofa-analytic fraud about which no one had ever heard of an article. this is undoubtedly a good reason to slap a similar article only now in favor of our aircraft.
    who needs it and why it is not clear. all the same, these planes have practically no chance of meeting in the air in a real battle, and even the Su-25 can calmly bomb all sorts of villages, caves of a jeep column with armed savages.

    therefore the article is "pure talk"
    1. Leto
      Leto 5 July 2016 13: 40
      +6
      Quote: XODOP
      some sort of Vietnamese sofa-analytic fraud about which no one had ever heard of an article.

      Some kind of couch and analytical venturer to spoil the air by the name of Alexander Volkov poked around in his left nostril and invented a certain Vietnamese analyst and attributed to him the contents of where he was picking. Another couch and analytical venturer spoil the air by the name of Evgeny Damantsev, having seen the contents of the left nostril of Alexander Volkov, decided that the contents of his right nostril are much more interesting and gave the above material to the mountain, which you look at accordingly.
  18. Enoch
    Enoch 5 July 2016 14: 15
    -5
    Pitchfork in their hands and let him kiss the Yankees, kind and fluffy. The most important weapon of theirs is against them. Have the Vietnamese forgotten their story?
  19. marshes
    marshes 5 July 2016 15: 39
    +1
    So, in planning for the procurement of weapons for Kazakhstan, such a picture looms.
    IMHO.SU-35S will be used as air defense aircraft, they will be replaced at the time by the ones that have exhausted their resources, MIG-31 and Su 27, for air defense.
    And SU-30 SM, real multifunctionals, Replace SU-27M, BM and Su-24. There is no point in buying Su -34.
    MIG-29 I hope for the Mig-35, although the J-10 is interesting.
    Mig-27-zvizdets, no matter what if again on the J-10B
    Su-25- again, nothing, maybe a UAV or SuperTukano, or something like that
    The SU 35S should be compared with the MIG-35, maybe it will be the MiGs that are used as air defense systems and the MIGs are used as multifunctionals, and maybe instead of the SU-30, as long as the SU-34. As long as the 22m-3 is still in operation.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 5 July 2016 18: 34
      +3
      Quote: marshes
      SU 35S should be compared with the MIG-35, maybe as an air defense aircraft MIGs will be the reason

      The main advantage of the Su-35-it flies far)) And Kazakhstan is a big country, so if you choose between them, then for you the Su-35 is preferable, especially the Mig-35 (not to be confused with the Mig-29M2) so far only in prototypes.
      Quote: marshes
      A SU-30 SM, real multifunctionals, Replace SU-27M, BM and Su-24

      Without an aiming container, no. If you bribe a decent container, then the Su-30 will be just right for Kazakhstan. And the Su-35 will not be needed. Why should Kazakhstan maintain a fleet of two similar upgrades for the Su-27? It will not save a bit from the PRC, nor from the Islamists, so I believe that the Su-30 will be the basis of the Kazakh Air Force and this is quite enough.
      Quote: marshes
      Su-25- again, nothing, maybe a UAV or SuperTukano, or something like that

      They will be upgraded and bribe strike UAVs.
      Quote: marshes
      Mig-27-zvizdets, no matter what if again on the J-10B

      A dozen are very unlikely. The PRC does not yet have as many reliable engines to supply dozens for export.
      1. marshes
        marshes 5 July 2016 19: 06
        +1
        Quote: Odyssey
        The main advantage of the Su-35-it flies far)) And Kazakhstan is a big country, so if you choose between them, then for you the Su-35 is preferable, especially the Mig-35 (not to be confused with the Mig-29M2) so far only in prototypes.

        Yes, until 2020, 30 and 35 36 aircraft must be received.
        Yes, I myself am not a fan of MiG35s, but Kasym convinced me that we do not need a large number, at the Avia Regiment, to replace the 29. KK by the way in the southern direction, where air battles on the "close drive" are possible.
        Su-35 can only be considered as a replacement for the MIG-31 and Su-27P.
        Quote: Odyssey
        Without an aiming container, no. If you bribe a decent container, then the Su-30 will be just right for Kazakhstan.

        We have already had a couple of years 27 with Lating-3. Well modernized.
        Quote: Odyssey
        They will be upgraded and bribe strike UAVs.

        Well, yes you have a lot of SU-25s in your warehouses, 29 are very rotting. And upgrading by 25 is not a bad thing in Belarus.
        Quote: Odyssey
        A dozen are very unlikely. The PRC does not yet have as many reliable engines to supply dozens for export.

        We count on the purchase of aircraft engines from manufacturers, even TECh, it is easier to maintain. That 27,30,35 and J-10.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 5 July 2016 22: 49
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          Su-35 can only be considered as a replacement for the MIG-31 and Su-27P.

          If you really need an interceptor, it’s easier and cheaper to upgrade the Mig-31.
          Quote: marshes
          We have already had a couple of years 27 with Lating-3. Well modernized.

          Do you have containers? I didn’t know, thanks. Then bet on 30 and you won’t know grief.
          Quote: marshes
          Yes, I myself am not a fan of Mig35, but Kasym convinced me that we do not need a large number

          I myself love the Mig-29, but it was ideal for the 80s. The golden days of preparing for the global air battles of a large number of aircraft. Now, for Kazakhstan, the Mig-29 and its modernization, IMHO, are of little relevance. To the south? And with whom are you going to conduct air battles there? No one has a normal air force.
          Quote: marshes
          We expect the purchase of aircraft engines from manufacturers

          So, the fact of the matter is that in this case the manufacturer (China) does not have free engines. They themselves are not enough. Although it would be a good idea to get a J-10B regiment.
          We would love to learn this miracle of the Chinese aircraft industry in Russia. smile
          1. marshes
            marshes 5 July 2016 23: 13
            +2
            Quote: Odyssey
            If you really need an interceptor, it’s easier and cheaper to upgrade the Mig-31.

            We look at the money, even if it’s stainless steel and so on ... all the same, no one canceled the tired structure. Yes, and your 31, they can pick up all the ready-made engines.
            Quote: Odyssey
            Do you have containers? I didn’t know, thanks. Then bet on 30 and you won’t know grief.

            We put.
            Quote: Odyssey
            I myself love the Mig-29, but it was ideal for the 80s. The golden days of preparing for the global air battles of a large number of aircraft. Now, for Kazakhstan, the Mig-29 and its modernization, IMHO, are of little relevance. To the south? And with whom are you going to conduct air battles there? No one has a normal air force.

            It’s interesting here, it’s not for nothing that they are concentrated in Shymkent, take a look at the map, but basically the bomber function is preferable.
            Quote: Odyssey
            So, the fact of the matter is that in this case the manufacturer (China) does not have free engines. They themselves are not enough. Although it would be a good idea to get a J-10B regiment.
            We would love to learn this miracle of the Chinese aircraft industry in Russia.

            Well, yes, where MIG specialists participated in the development. laughing
            And they rivet them pretty smartly.
  20. marshes
    marshes 5 July 2016 16: 07
    +3
    And yet, I look at attempts at the expense of IL-114, there are aircraft engines.
    It’s just a proposal to create a replacement for the Su-25 attack plane and the Mig-27 bomb, creating two keel attack aircraft with high protection using turboprop engines from IL-114. There was a war plane project, but there are pictures on the Internet and on the website.
    Just he can use cheap weapons, freely falling air bombs and NURSs and adjustable weapons.
    At the moment, there is great interest in airplanes operating on the ground.
  21. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 5 July 2016 17: 18
    -1
    How much reading energy wasted on the wrong reason! But it was pleasant to read the remarks of the respected Vivan.
    1. mangyst0007
      mangyst0007 15 July 2016 02: 38
      0
      So our Sushka flies to Ostrovka, under the name Sakhalin ... And produces several hypersonic "tamahawks", better with a nuclear filling ... according to Pentakhon ... :))) GY-gy-gy ... It is impossible to stop the hypersound! , in the DRY residue, Dry sits on its airfield on that island, and Pentakhon turns ... Pentakhon turns ... into a mushroom mixture of skyscrapers and celestials ... :) hi drinks And never again, not one of the Skyscrapers Celestials bothers the world with their fantastic ideas about super-machines, and universal unlimited power !!!! love
  22. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 5 July 2016 18: 53
    +2
    It is foolish for a military expert to compare the F-15 and Su-35S. F-15 entered service in 1976, showed excellent performance in military operations, but despite numerous upgrades by 2025 it will be withdrawn from service with the U.S. Air Force. The Su-35 began to be used in 2014, and it used the most advanced technology. Everything is clear: the Su-35 is better than the F-15, if only because it was developed 40 years later.
    In the place of a Vietnamese, I would compare the Su-35 with the F-35. True, the cheapest version of the F-35 costs $ 83 million, and ours is about $ 30 million. And the characteristics are approximately the same.
    1. Come on
      Come on 6 July 2016 02: 05
      0
      Quote: Lord Blacwood
      True, the cheapest version of the F-35 costs $ 83 million, and ours is about $ 30 million. And the characteristics are approximately the same.


      The Chinese just for $ 83 bought a S-35, about 30mio of greenery, I can’t believe it, not everything is in production in Z.P. it’s hiding, machines, equipment, every little thing from screws, nuts, hydraulic hoses, to machine tools, and you have to buy for $.

      In general, in order for the Russian military-industrial complex to become at the western level, and you have to be honest to the level of the Federal Republic of Germany, the USA, and Israel, the path is long and it begins in education, ends with social guarantees, excellent by Z. P. for workers and engineers, at the level of the same West, at least from 100 at the current level to a novice engineer, or 000 thousand novice turner, with the possibility of growth for 50 years to 20-100 thousand, and the engineer even myo rub. Then parents will motivate their children to love technology, science. We need a program that can allow thousands of Russian boys and girls, from 250 years old, with a proper diploma of 16-11 years old, to give up practice at such concerns as the same Mercedes, or other areas, and also had the opportunity to get an engineer education in the west. And in order not to be afraid for talents that they will not return, we need fortunes, which I described above.
      1. Operator
        Operator 6 July 2016 02: 49
        -3
        Everything is much simpler: your brains were formatted in Germany in May 1945 in such a way that you are now no better at ripping Eurofighter Typhoon bully
        Come better internship at Sukhoi Design Bureau.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 July 2016 09: 41
          +2
          Germany is technologically able to produce anything: and ICBMs,
          and nuclear weapons and fighters. In a short time and good quality.
          We should be glad that the Germans do not want to "enter the warpath" again.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 6 July 2016 11: 45
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Germany is technologically able to produce anything: and ICBMs,
            and nuclear weapons and fighters. In a short time and good quality.

            Something the elves do not finish the A-400.
            In the spring of 2016, problems were discovered. Two separate problems arise in the operation of engine gearboxes: one of the problems is excessive overheating and failure of individual elements, the second is the appearance of metal chips in the gearbox oil system. This necessitates regular checks of their condition and replacement of worn parts. A technical malfunction was found in 14 gearboxes (manufactured by the Italian company Avio Aero, owned by the American General Electric), rotating to the right - all of them were released in the first half of 2015. Airbus said the problem was not serious [7]. Also, due to the weakness of the alloy, cracks appeared in the plane at the points of attachment of the wings to the fuselage; for each of the 30 cars produced, a many-month repair and serious investment will be required
          2. Operator
            Operator 6 July 2016 14: 46
            -3
            I don’t know about ICBMs and atomic weapons, but the German "Euro-fighter" is before everyone's eyes.

            You do not understand - Prussian militarism ended in May 1945, when Prussia disappeared.

            You have to rejoice that at the helm of the country - the patron of Israel, Donald Trump with his US isolationism policy is not yet.

            Wait for the formatting of the Middle East sample Yalta-1945.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 6 July 2016 15: 31
              +3
              "and the German" Euro-fighter "

              That's just the point - he is not German, but joint
              productions of several countries that do not fight and fight
              not going to anyone. Therefore - a leisurely sluggish unfinished building.
              And "eurofighter" was outdated even before it entered the assembly line.
              The products that make money - civil engineering
              Germany is doing quite well.
              1. Operator
                Operator 7 July 2016 00: 14
                -2
                If Germany also tied with independent aircraft manufacturing, then there is a reason for this, as well as a reason for Germany’s reluctance to fight with anyone. And I called her to you.

                When the portal "Civil Engineering Review" opens, then tell about the successes of Germany in this area there.
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          3. mangyst0007
            mangyst0007 15 July 2016 02: 27
            0
            They wouldn’t be able to ... How much gold was plundered around the world ?! Every day about 12 kg of gold was taken from prisoners of war, and simply prisoners !! And then they robbed the robbed-in furnaces ... And they put all things into business starting with glasses and ending with children's sandals ...: (((( crying
        2. mangyst0007
          mangyst0007 15 July 2016 02: 23
          0
          Are you hello, my friend, hello! :))) On what are we spies in KB ?! :)))) bully hi am
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 6 July 2016 11: 05
        +1
        Quote: Yeah, well.
        and at the level of the same West, at least from 100 at the current level to a novice engineer, or 000 thousand to a novice turner,

        At the Admiralty Shipyards, the average salary is 60 thousand rubles.
    2. mangyst0007
      mangyst0007 15 July 2016 02: 21
      0
      The cost of the aircraft is determined by government policy ... Therefore, they pay for it, respectively, in the USA more. And ours pay only to themselves, and what remains is to the hard workers and designers ... The SU-35 is already the sixth generation !!! Only the Americans do not want This is openly admitting !! :))) Who then will buy their outdated models ?! And the hypersonic drone is already the 7th generation !!! One would have compared the Junkers with the Dryers ... :))) bully fellow wassat
    3. Philip Staros
      Philip Staros 25 September 2016 22: 06
      0
      Was that sarcasm? The earnings of recent years on the basis of the fourth generation are compared.
  23. andrewkor
    andrewkor 5 July 2016 19: 28
    +1
    Oppose some Thai- do not respect yourself !!
    1. R2D2
      R2D2 5 July 2016 20: 04
      +2
      Right! But was the boy (Tkhai), it seems like a throw-in, so that everyone would be indignant)
  24. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 6 July 2016 23: 12
    +2
    So, for example, the only drawbacks of the Su-34 are the lower thrust-to-weight ratio, which has reduced the rate of steady turn and rate of climb, and the increased midship of the cabin, resulting in a decrease in speed from 2500 to 1900 km / h.
    In fact, the main reason for reducing the maximum speed at high altitude of the Su-34 compared to the base Su-27 is unregulated air intakes (for a bomber designed to break through low-altitude air defense, this solution is traditionally and completely justified). Although the increased cockpit midship and a large mass also play a role. 1900 km / h with this combination and the same engines is a very good speed.
  25. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 July 2016 11: 33
    0
    The 4th generation heavy fighter is only 2, F-15 and Su-27/30/35 (unless the MiG-31 is considered) And it is not a fact that they will collide with each other. Their task is to gain air supremacy among medium and light fighters. The su-platform is good and there is an elder brother of the T-50, and I think that S-35/30/27 will survive more than one modernization, and promising missiles will get radars with AFAR ...
    1. mangyst0007
      mangyst0007 15 July 2016 01: 38
      -1
      You, a little bit, are you, a citizen ... :))) Our SUs are in the 6th generation for a long time !!! It's just that the Americans can't keep up with them, and therefore they don't classify them as the 5th ... Who then have Will they buy planes ?! It's like my father was "tamed" when they introduced a 6-bit grid instead of a 5-bit grid ... He was an electrician of the 6th grade, and he was called to repair even major city damage to power grids ... "retraining" I became an electrician only of the 5th grade ... Accordingly, I lost in my salary ...: ((((Our planes are two in one! The plane itself, maybe in the 4-5th class, but 8 tons of filling are hypersonic "tomahawks" that can fly to the Pentagon in an instant and turn it into an atomic fungus !!! :))) More precisely, into the cellar ... crying
  26. Lucy
    Lucy 8 July 2016 01: 12
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    AGAIN on the air Author Evgeny Damantsev.

    He did not read the article further on the second line.

    ......tactical fighter-bomber Su-34

    Zhenya start with the Su-24, tactics of using FBA. Ask what tactical depth is.
    1. mangyst0007
      mangyst0007 15 July 2016 01: 47
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      Quote: lusya
      AGAIN on the air Author Evgeny Damantsev.

      He did not read the article further on the second line.

      ......tactical fighter-bomber Su-34

      Zhenya start with the Su-24, tactics of using FBA. Ask what tactical depth is.

      Well, and so you! I justify. Regardless of your opinion, a purely Personal, opinions, SU is extremely dangerous for all Americans; it’s already in the 5th, or rather, in the 6th generation. It’s just that Americans don’t want to recognize this fact, and the fact that they are deeply behind the USSR !! negative :))) Who will buy their outdated F15, if ours have pushed them long ago in all respects ?! Our simple, seemingly, is only in appearance, an airplane is two weapons in one. Aircraft is the main thing to take off, and For example, we flew up to Sakhalin, released our Hypersonic "tomahawks", and in a few minutes the Pentagon is choking in a nuclear frenzy !! To stop this is almost UNREALABLE !!!! soldier And what they write and discuss, it doesn’t matter of principle ... :) You found fault with the comma, and this comma cost the USA the whole Pentagon !! :))) Naivnyak! :))))))))))))) )
  27. mangyst0007
    mangyst0007 15 July 2016 01: 29
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    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Odyssey
    Ahhh, dear Bongo stop scoffing at the unfortunate inhabitants of the European part of Russia for whom the little prank in joy

    What's the problem? Catch the taimen for everyone, well, or almost everyone ... living in the Far East. Only this unique opportunity does not stop the outflow of population into the European part of the country.

    Nothing. Very soon everyone will be able to go to catch your Grayling and Taymeshek !!! :))) Here is the development scheme of the latest transport- Skyway- https://new.vk.com/doc-92821255_412970307?hash=7b48a5c038773ca6b9&dl=763035ec9d9
    82b097e And here is the link for those who want to enter the company (registration is free, and does not oblige you to do anything!): Http://rsw-systems.com/?r=mangyst0007
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 15 July 2016 03: 08
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      Quote: mangyst0007
      Nothing. Very soon everyone will be able to go to catch your Grayling and Taymeshek !!! :))) Here is a diagram of the development of the latest transport-

      Very soon ... No. Petya, have you been to the Far East? What you write is like nonsense! wassat
    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 15 July 2016 03: 28
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      It’s just as long as you don’t fly with airships (see LZ-127 over Siberia), by the way the cheapest form of transport. River waterfowl is even more expensive, then sea.
  28. m.cempbell
    m.cempbell 11 November 2016 19: 45
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    Quote: mangyst0007
    Our plane can easily send from the borders of our homeland, without even flying outside it, 8 tons of hypersonic homing missiles on the Pentagon directly, with the condition of 100% passing and hitting the Target !!!

    People, I have not read all the comments to the end, maybe someone has already corrected them, but such pearls were simply killed. What kind of missiles do they hang on the Su-35, that they fly from the smoker to the Pentagon, and yet all the missile defense systems pass and are 100% likely to hit the target?
    1. m.cempbell
      m.cempbell 11 November 2016 19: 46
      +1
      This is to the authors of all such comments ....
  29. vik669
    vik669 17 November 2016 12: 56
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    So judging by the comments on any topic and at any time, we have all the "SPECIES" cooler than "sparkling water" and even more so some Nama Thang (Russian fools are the best in the world)!
  30. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 19 November 2016 21: 54
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    "In large angles, the American radar does not see anything, but ours sees with the same range as the American one."
    and if the American "sees nothing", then ours ..... ???
  31. EvilLion
    EvilLion 7 December 2016 14: 15
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    Like any AFAR, AN / APG-63 (V) 3 does not have a mechanical drive to turn the web in azimuth and elevation


    What does any mean? Well, put the hydraulics on the AFAR; similarly, the Su-35 has hydraulics on the AFAR just because it can afford it. The only question is the placement of such a design on an airplane and finances.

    and ours sees with the same range as the American


    This is in the overview mode, when you can drive your nose back and forth, during an attack, your vision will become the same tunnel.

    hit-to-kill concept


    And where does the hit, if the target is some kind of soft rocket or another aircraft? These are ICBM warheads for destruction it is necessary to direct hit, they stream of damaging elements in comparison with the fact that they experience flying into the lower atmosphere simply by drum.

    Then, as an argument, the combat load of the Su-35С is given, which is 25-30% less than that of the F-15SE (8 against 10,5 tons).


    But in real conditions, there are pieces of 6 rockets of different types, or a couple of bombs, although I would have looked at how F-15SE carries 10 tons with full refueling, but he can raise it, although it’s already a question about the strength of the airframe, or it raises with aerobatic restrictions that Su-27 derivatives have for the declared max. there is simply no load. If 8 tons are declared, then any aerobatics are allowed with 8 tons. That is, it is possible that the Yankees are a little cunning, citing max. the values ​​at which the plane can still take off and fly in a straight line.
  32. asr55
    asr55 April 20 2020 19: 36
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    In what century I agree with Evgeny Damantsev. Many experts forget about the second radar of our fighter, namely the OLS-35 at the su-35s. This is a very big advantage of the su-35s over the f-15 at medium and short distances. As the American pilots in Syria complain that they do not see Russian aircraft at these distances in the rear hemisphere.