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Media: none of the Syrian tanks equipped with "birdhouses", was not affected by ATGM

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Optical-electronic countermeasures (“birdhouses”), seen on Syrian armored vehicles about six months ago, continue to effectively protect combat vehicles from enemy guided anti-tank missiles, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


Media: none of the Syrian tanks equipped with "birdhouses", was not affected by ATGM


In Arabic, these devices are called Sarab-1 ("Mirage").

“Military experts then puzzled: who helped the Syrians create such an effective device that would neutralize guided missiles of terrorists. Assumptions were made that this is Iran or, possibly, specialists of the Russian military-industrial complex. The Syrians themselves claimed that "Sarab-1" was entirely developed by local engineers. Now the principle of operation is clear: unlike other systems of optical-electronic countermeasures, the impact on the guided missile’s guidance system itself is not carried out, but the operator is “blinded” directly, ”writes the author of the article, Roman Katkov.



According to him, "for the entire time of the use of these complexes, not a single fact of the destruction of the armored vehicle equipped by Mirage with the PTUR was recorded."

“Currently, Syrian designers are already working on a more advanced version of this complex, and it is possible that in the near future we will see it on fighting terrorists. tanks and other types of combat vehicles, ”the newspaper concludes.

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  1. edos1979
    edos1979 1 July 2016 10: 56
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    Something these Assad birdhouses help a little. Maybe the starlings are not the same?
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 1 July 2016 10: 58
      +13
      Now comrades from Israel will debase everyone .... We are waiting!
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 1 July 2016 11: 13
        +12
        Quality birdhouses. More of these. And so the war will end sooner.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 1 July 2016 11: 24
          +10
          Quote: Chariton
          Now comrades from Israel will debase everyone .... We are waiting!


          And you break their arguments with your brain or beat

          Secret: do not be afraid and consider someone smarter than yourself, try to be smarter yourself, develop

          1. Khariton
            Khariton 1 July 2016 13: 16
            +3
            Quote: bulvas
            Quote: Chariton
            Now comrades from Israel will debase everyone .... We are waiting!


            And you break their arguments with your brain or beat

            Secret: do not be afraid and consider someone smarter than yourself, try to be smarter yourself, develop

            Well, that's how I develop reading them ...))) I do not touch them, you calm down ... bully
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 1 July 2016 13: 52
              +1
              Quote: Chariton
              I don’t touch them, you take it easy


              But what about the Russian language?

              Is it not necessary for an internationalist to know his native language?
              Or is Russian not native?

              Khariton, why turn an exclusively technical topic into a stupid booth?

              You act according to the principle - if there is nothing to say on the topic, even fart louder, but if only you would hear and notice, pluses to earn
              1. Katman
                Katman 1 July 2016 17: 39
                +9
                bulvas, You are by no means a robot, and you have never mistakenly pressed the wrong key on the keyboard? I envy you, especially about farting. By the way, yell, not yell! Learn Russian yourself, SIR!
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                2. bulvas
                  bulvas 1 July 2016 22: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Katman
                  bulvas, You are by no means a robot, and you have never mistakenly pressed the wrong key on the keyboard? I envy you, especially about farting. By the way, yell, not yell! Learn Russian yourself, SIR!


                  There is a small secret - before saving read the typed.

                  By the way, in Russian, e is allowed instead of e

                  But this is grammar, and the main thing in my post was different

                  1. HERMES
                    HERMES 2 July 2016 21: 46
                    +5
                    Quote: edos1979
                    Something these Assad birdhouses help a little. Maybe the starlings are not the same?


                    They save his tankers from death on fire.
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      2. kamikaze
        kamikaze 2 July 2016 18: 42
        0
        well done Syrian kulibin creators of birdhouses against American starlings good good good drinks
    2. mig29mks
      mig29mks 1 July 2016 11: 00
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      Skovrtsy grow !!
      1. DMB_95
        DMB_95 1 July 2016 11: 13
        +14
        And is there any information somewhere - how this "birdhouse" detects and "blinds" the operator. Something like "Antisniper"? Interesting even.
        1. just exp
          just exp 1 July 2016 11: 53
          +15
          Yes, it just shines very much in the spectrum in which the anti-tank guided missile goes. approximate analogy. it's like looking through the binoculars at the sun, though without burning your eyes. just a spot on the entire eyepiece and not a damn thing is visible.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 1 July 2016 17: 51
      +5
      Quote: edos1979
      little these Assad birdhouses

      Normally help.
      Against Assad, the crowd is healthy indignant from outside (the Saudis, etc., the Turks, and Kerry only mutters Assad must leave).
      And the starlings hold on, although well-known comrades also help them.
    4. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 2 July 2016 18: 43
      +2
      IF THESE "NESTLES" DIDN'T HELP, IT WOULD LONGER
      ASSAD HAS BEEN PUTTED, WHAT IS WHY, AND OUR "PARTNERS" ATTURES ARE THROWING UP IN SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF Militants, THE SO-CALLED "MODERATE" OPPOSITION.
    5. Trotil42
      Trotil42 4 July 2016 05: 57
      +2
      Why vulgarize? An interesting device ...
  2. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL 1 July 2016 10: 59
    +6
    Here are the brainy guys good
  3. edos1979
    edos1979 1 July 2016 11: 00
    .
    Quote: Chariton
    Now comrades from Israel will debase everyone .... We are waiting!

    Are you anti-Semite?
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 1 July 2016 11: 07
      +30
      Are you anti-Semite ?,
      are you a prosecutor
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 1 July 2016 11: 30
        0
        Quote: kotvov
        Are you anti-Semite ?,
        are you a prosecutor

        The hillock is looking No.
        1. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 4 July 2016 12: 07
          0
          Quote: Bort Radist
          The hillock is looking

          With such knowledge in the thieves' hierarchy, the straight road to hell fool
          The hillock is the foreman responsible for organizing production on the site.
          The beholder is a la financial director, responsible for the replenishment and distribution of the common fund.
          An unsuccessful option to mix immiscible, which leads to the corresponding estimates.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 4 July 2016 12: 48
            0
            So the hill-watching is a dictator that combines all functions. wink
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 1 July 2016 11: 13
      +34
      Are you anti-Semite?
      To be an anti-Semite, one must hate not only Jews, but also all other Semitic peoples: Arabs, Palestinians (count the same Arabs) and so on. If you do not love only Jews exclusively, then this is called an anti-Zionist. This is so, to expand horizons.
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 July 2016 12: 46
        0
        Quote: abrakadabre
        If you do not love only and exclusively Jews, then this is called an anti-Zionist. This is so, to expand horizons.

        No, young man. it is a classic anti-Semitism. Learn the materiel. Or do you think the Zionist and the Hebrew are one and the same? fool

        Anti-Semitism (German: Antisemitismus) is one of the forms of national intolerance, expressed in a hostile attitude towards Jews as an ethnic or religious group [1]. Based on prejudice [2] and is one of the varieties of xenophobia [3] [4] [5] [6]. The term refers to hostility towards Jews and / or Jews, and not to all the peoples of the Semitic language group [⇨].
        1. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 1 July 2016 13: 51
          +19
          Quote: Professor
          Anti-Semitism is a form of national intolerance, expressed in a hostile attitude towards Jews ...

          Semites = Jews - this is the same substitution of concepts as America = USA, prima donna = Pugacheva, etc.
          It's time to start calling a spade a spade.
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 July 2016 13: 53
            -6
            Quote: Perun's grandson
            Semites = Jews - this is the same substitution of concepts as America = USA, prima donna = Pugacheva, etc.
            It's time to start calling a spade a spade.

            Learn materiel and do not smack the gag.

            The term refers to hostility towards Jews and / or Jews, and not to all the peoples of the Semitic language group [3].

            It is believed that the word "anti-Semitism" was put into circulation by the German publicist Wilhelm Marr in 1879, who called the group of his supporters "anti-Semitic league" [7]. German historian Michael Vladika writes that the term first appeared in the Rotteck-Welckeschen Staatslexikon encyclopedia in 1865 and was subsequently mistakenly attributed to Marr [8].

            The term is explained by racist ideas about the biological incompatibility of Europeans, who appeared among the first ideologists of racial anti-Semitism as the "Germanic" or "Aryan" race, and Jews as representatives of the "Semitic race". Since then it denotes it is hostility to the Jewsdespite attempts, on the basis of etymology, to extend the term to the Arabs, because they also speak the language of the Semitic group [9] (Edward Said et al.).
            1. ver_
              ver_ 1 July 2016 16: 02
              +6
              ..no Jewish nation .. Is there Jewishism - a way of life and worldview .. Where did you see a Jew with a shovel? Arabs and Jews are genetically the same and have one historical father. The highest caste of Jews, however, are Jews - orthodox - they can’t lift anything heavier than a spoon and a scroll .. And to serve in the army nizya are the most Jewish Jews ..
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 1 July 2016 16: 05
                +16
                Quote: ver_
                .. Where did you see a Jew with a shovel?

                In training yes But he was very dissatisfied with this circumstance. laughing And in the country garden, digging worms for fishing
                1. ver_
                  ver_ 4 July 2016 04: 00
                  0
                  ... well, clearly not orthodox - they even press the elevator call buttons and turn on the light in the shabot - this, according to their faith, is work .. They have to go with "sick" legs (but this is when no one sees, I suppose) ..
              2. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 2 July 2016 08: 36
                +9
                ver_
                Where did you see a Jew with a shovel?

                In Karaganda, did you hold a shovel in your hands?
                I personally was brought up in kibbutz (Beer) from 12. one day a week (as a schoolboy) he worked in the fields, they pulled pipes, sprayed mending ... and in the summer, on vacation they worked for a month. sometimes they even held shovels and choppers in their hands ...

                .. is Jewish

                it's something new ... maybe it will be more correct - eurism, in the likeness of Buddhism, Marxism, eskepism, cretinism, etc. ?
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 2 July 2016 09: 54
                  +6
                  Kibbutz is an interesting idea, very convenient in many respects ... I honestly admire two things in Israel - the stamina of soldiers and the valor of the army, and the second is agriculture ...
                2. ver_
                  ver_ 3 July 2016 16: 41
                  0
                  ... "however, the fever is white" ..
                3. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 4 July 2016 09: 46
                  0
                  In Karaganda, did you hold a shovel in your hands?
                  Oh everyone!
                  They scared me with a shovel ... Of course they did. And a shovel, including, scary to think, a shovel, and a sapper, too. And a rake, and a pitchfork, and a little braid. As well as pruning shears and sprayers. This is if only garden tools are affected. And there’s also carpentry, locksmith, wiring ... And, again, this is only about childhood and school years. If we ate everything, then we get to metalworking on machines and computers.
                  tongue
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              4. bulvas
                bulvas 2 July 2016 10: 40
                +3
                Quote: ver_
                ..no Jewish nation .. Is there Jewishism - a way of life and worldview .. Where did you see a Jew with a shovel? Arabs and Jews are genetically the same and have one historical father. The highest caste of Jews, however, are Jews - orthodox - they can’t lift anything heavier than a spoon and a scroll .. And to serve in the army nizya are the most Jewish Jews ..



                Sorry, comrade, but you wrote complete nonsense, showing only great conceit and a complete lack of knowledge about the issue.

                Apparently, you count on the support of "experts" like you, that is, on cheap populism


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                1. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 4 July 2016 09: 48
                  0
                  All thinking people were anti-Semites.
                  Including a large number of Jews themselves. After all, they do not really like Arabs. And the Arabs are Semites.
                  Here is such a perdimonocle.
              6. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 4 July 2016 09: 38
                +1
                ..no nation Jew ..
                Paraphrasing famous lines:
                No Jewish nation in the world
                Than the Jews ... on the Internet
                laughing

                PS As a purebred crest for father and mother, I agree and wait for reciprocal verses of a similar plan from Israel about us ...
            2. shuhartred
              shuhartred 1 July 2016 18: 37
              +9
              Quote: Professor
              Learn materiel and do not smack the gag.

              Come on, prof! Well, the people are a little off topic. Why so worry then? You tell me something else, that's the term, "Russophobe", what does that mean? Are they afraid of Russians (ethnic), or Russia, or everyone who lives in Russia, or those who have citizenship? Judging by the media (Western), we (Russians) will soon take away from you (the Jews) the leadership of universal hatred. Good evening by the way, otherwise I didn’t say hello, but not politely hi
              1. Professor
                Professor 1 July 2016 19: 19
                +6
                Quote: shuhartred
                Judging by the media (Western), we (Russians) will soon take away your (Jewish) leadership on universal hatred.

                Not all media are equally ... honest. Nevertheless, a survey was conducted in Israel and it turned out that the attitude towards Russia is, to put it mildly, not positive. The answer lies in the letters in small print at the end of the article. It turns out that about 1000 people were interviewed, among them Orthodox and a bunch of Arabs. fellow

                PS
                Shabbat Shalom. drinks
                1. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 1 July 2016 19: 27
                  +6
                  Quote: Professor
                  Shabbat Shalom.

                  Uh, in Russian, I’m not good at Hebrew smile
                  Quote: Professor
                  Not all media are equally ... honest.

                  All media are not honest in different ways. But you have not given your own interpretation of the term "Russophobia". Well, if you don't want to, that's fine. In principle, I don't give a damn what the people going to kill me believe, I just have to kill him earlier.
                  Py.Sy. Smiley (last) support. Not a man for the Sabbath, but Saturday for a man (who the author does not know) drinks
                2. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 1 July 2016 19: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  It turns out that about 1000 people were interviewed, among them Orthodox and a bunch of Arabs.

                  good representatively wassat
                3. aksakal
                  aksakal 3 July 2016 23: 03
                  +5
                  Quote: Professor
                  Not all media are equally ... honest. Nevertheless, a survey was conducted in Israel and it turned out that the attitude towards Russia is, to put it mildly, not positive. The answer lies in the letters in small print at the end of the article. It turns out that about 1000 people were interviewed, among them Orthodox and a bunch of Arabs.

                  - Professor, okay, in Israel, maybe Russia is not treated as Russians would like, but here is the site http://rusjev.net/, these comrades live side by side with Russians, in Russia, among Russians, they speak Russian , do business on the Russian population and at the same time manage to be Russophobes! The site is just full of anti-Russian themes! And ultra-liberalism is full, and there are so many of it that you begin to suspect that the author of liberalism is not Jews by chance? And then we sin on the Anglo-Saxons, but something on this site is so exaggerated and supported that you involuntarily wonder - who is the author?
                  And after that you begin to be offended by anti-Semitism. That is, Jews can and should occupy a Russophobic position, even create such sites of extremist and offensive content (by the way, this is about the lack of democracy and freedom of speech in Russia!), But in response to this, Russians cannot take anti-Jewish positions - anti-Semitism, sir!
                  I do not get tired of repeating-against the Jews, the majority of members of the forum, including. and I do not have.
                  Judging by Wasserman, Eskin, that former intelligence officer from Israel, Kedmi, if I am not mistaken, by those scientists from the USSR who created an excellent nuclear missile shield - there is only appreciation and respect.
                  But then what to call Shenderovich, Katz, Albats and others? What are the authors and admirers of this site? And most importantly, for what and why do they hate Russians? And I strongly suspect that not only Russians - everyone else who does not belong to the European race is also not loved. Forced to pay them the same.
            3. ver_
              ver_ 3 July 2016 16: 33
              +1
              .. there is no country. Jew - there is no Jew and nation .. There is Israel, and therefore the nation of Israel .. Hence the conclusion - the Jew is not a nation ..
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 4 July 2016 09: 25
            0
            Precisely the substitution of concepts. When it is convenient, you can shout that this is hatred for all the peoples of the Middle East. Like: "We are all in the same boat! They want us all under the knife! Brothers will rally in one impulse - forward, my friends, to the machine guns! I will bring you cartridges."
            And in other cases, it is possible on the contrary, that this is only about the Jews. And sprinkle ash on your head. Again, crushing the pity of others. We know, passed.
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 2 July 2016 22: 17
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          No, young man. it is a classic anti-Semitism. Learn the materiel.

          And can you say who showed anti-Semitism? Poke your finger at this reader. So far, no one bad word has been said about the Jews and about Israel. And then I, too, can blurt out about you that you breed Russophobia here. This is punishable on the site.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 2 July 2016 22: 50
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К
            And can you say who showed anti-Semitism? Poke your finger at this reader. So far, no one bad word has been said about the Jews and about Israel. And then I, too, can blurt out about you that you breed Russophobia here. This is punishable on the site.

            - there, in fact, the debate about the definition of the term was ...
            - so here you are ... as usual ... with two legs and a bowl of margarine finger to the sky fellow
          2. Professor
            Professor 3 July 2016 07: 04
            -7
            Quote: Алексей_К
            And can you say who showed anti-Semitism? Poke your finger at this reader. So far, no one bad word has been said about the Jews and about Israel. And then I, too, can blurt out about you that you breed Russophobia here. This is punishable on the site.

            If you wedge into a conversation, then first find out what it is about, otherwise you can inadvertently sit in a puddle. wink

            Quote: abrakadabre
            To be an anti-Semite, one must hate not only Jews, but also all other Semitic peoples: Arabs, Palestinians (count the same Arabs) and so on. If you do not love only Jews exclusively, then this is called an anti-Zionist. This is so, to expand horizons.

            it is a classic anti-Semitism
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 4 July 2016 10: 03
              0
              it is a classic anti-Semitism
              Well, no ... here take the Mongols. It doesn’t matter, those that graze herds or those that have learned and work as engineers or in science. They do not touch anyone, all sorts of ideas of Mongolian exclusivity are not imposed on themselves and others. I think there are freaks among them that, based on Genghis Khanutism, they are broadcasting something like this. maybe even fists and duby. Here they can not be loved or hated there. And all the rest, what's under this comb of hatred?
              So it is with the Jews. Or rather SEMITES. If I scream for no reason that everyone, ALL the Semites ... and further on Schiklgruber’s slogans. And then, dear, it will be possible to call me an anti-Semite. In the meantime, I do not welcome only the craving of individual representatives of the Semites for planetary exclusivity, with all the ensuing from this, I can only be called dissenting or opposing such a formulation of the question. As a maximum - anti-Zionist. Once again, I especially note - in response to this position. But not preventively.
              Arabs also have a similar system of views on exclusivity. We are now observing its metastases in the form of the ideology of Wahhabism and its last - ISIS. So, I don’t like them either. Already I can’t eat. But this does not mean that I hate ALL Arabs in principle.
              So do not substitute concepts. Negative attitude to the militant freaks in the people and hate the whole people are two big differences.
        3. andrewkor
          andrewkor 3 July 2016 08: 02
          0
          And here I am S-o-and-t: the main postulate s-o-and-ma is the return of all "chosen ones" to the ancestral home. to Mount Zion. Then let them cross over to the promised land, as Yahweh pointed out.
        4. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 4 July 2016 09: 21
          0
          No, young man. it is a classic anti-Semitism.
          Alas, my friend, is no longer a young man. wassat
          The term means hostility towards Jews and / or Jews, and not to all the peoples of the Semitic language group
          I didn’t pull you by the tongue. Want to cause fire on yourself ... Your right. Everyone is free to choose how and for what to lie in the ground. wink
          So all Arabs / Palestinians are completely anti-Semites. Despite the fact that purebred Semites are difficult to find. good
          Das ist Fantastisch !!!
      2. Pitot
        Pitot 3 July 2016 06: 58
        +3
        I agree. And the term itself was invented by the Zionists in order to smear the concept of anti-Zionist, to cast a shadow on all Semites. The case of T. Herzl lives on. There is only one thing - the Zionists set the main task to gather all the Jews in one place. And what the Jews are doing all over the world is a matter of the hidden kagala-Khazaria. And because of them, the hatred of other nations falls on all Jews ....
      3. andrewkor
        andrewkor 3 July 2016 08: 01
        +1
        And here I am S-o-and-t: the main postulate s-o-and-ma is the return of all "chosen ones" to the ancestral home. to Mount Zion. Then let them cross over to the promised land, as Yahweh pointed out.
    3. Khariton
      Khariton 1 July 2016 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: edos1979
      Quote: Chariton
      Now comrades from Israel will debase everyone .... We are waiting!

      Are you anti-Semite?

      No..! I am an internationalist ... At heart! (Sometimes it costs me dearly ..) hi Let's just wait ..))))
      1. other
        other 1 July 2016 12: 31
        .
        Are you waiting for the weather near the sea?))
      2. Riv
        Riv 1 July 2016 13: 04
        +5
        I also hate all nations equally.
    4. Pitot
      Pitot 1 July 2016 11: 58
      0
      What's the problem? This is just a word ....
    5. Berber
      Berber 1 July 2016 13: 59
      +3
      Well, they started an old barrel organ about the elect of God.
    6. uruss
      uruss 1 July 2016 15: 23
      0
      Incidentally, the comrades from Israel, too, have anti-cumulative pendants hanging on their mercavas this way for you or halam balam!
    7. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 2 July 2016 18: 47
      +5
      He is an anti-Zionist, but is it bad to be an anti-Zionist?
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 July 2016 23: 07
        -4
        Quote: Svidetel 45
        He is an anti-Zionist, but is it bad to be an anti-Zionist?

        he just doesn’t want the Jews to leave
        Zionism (Hebrew צִיּוֹנוּת, otsionut - from the name of Mount Zion in Jerusalem) is a political movement whose purpose is to unite and revive the Jewish people in their historical homeland - in Israel (Eretz Israel)
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 4 July 2016 10: 12
          +1
          Zionism (Hebrew צִיּוֹנוּת, otsionut - from the name of Mount Zion in Jerusalem) is a political movement whose purpose is to unite and revive the Jewish people in their historical homeland - in Israel (Eretz Israel)
          Oh, you’re not saying ... The doctrine there is much larger and has many very specific applied aspects of relations with non-Jews.
  4. guzik007
    guzik007 1 July 2016 11: 02
    +1
    And this is without millions of investments and super-duper bells and whistles. It is worth learning from our defense industry, if this is not bullshit.
  5. corporal
    corporal 1 July 2016 11: 03
    +1
    Media: none of the Syrian tanks equipped with "birdhouses", was not affected by ATGM
    A very bold statement. Or maybe they haven’t shot at them from ATGMs yet?

    The Syrians themselves claimed that "Sarab-1" was entirely developed by local engineers.
    That is, the Syrian engineers in the conditions of war and devastation "on their knees" managed to assemble something that the engineers of the military-industrial complex of many countries did not think of in peacetime and with sufficient equipment ??? They just took and assembled them from scrap materials ???

    Fake.
    1. just exp
      just exp 1 July 2016 11: 54
      +3
      and there’s nothing complicated. this same curtain only looks not only forward. but also on the sides, that is, IR spotlights on all sides of the birdhouse set. T-90 they are only ahead.
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 1 July 2016 20: 53
        +6
        Quote: just explo
        at T-90 they are only ahead

        The fact that the T-90 is a Curtain and it has a different principle.
        And here:
        Quote: just explo
        the operator is directly "blinded"


        In fact, if this is true, then we can talk about the system of the "Chinese school" - it is their optical KAZ that are sharpened precisely to defeat the optics and eyes of ATGM operators.
        1. corporal
          corporal 1 July 2016 21: 20
          +5
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          "Chinese school"

          Here, too, I thought about Chinese components supplied by a certain Chinese "businessman" for testing in real databases. bully
  6. Magic archer
    Magic archer 1 July 2016 11: 03
    +1
    The need for inventions is cunning! Well done, keep it up!
  7. Engineer
    Engineer 1 July 2016 11: 04
    +1
    Military experts then puzzled: who helped the Syrians create such an effective device

    Like small children, by God. Effective systems are made only by us and Israel. Therefore, the answer here is obvious.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 1 July 2016 11: 48
      +12
      Quote: Engineer
      Like small children, by God. Effective systems are made only by us and Israel. Therefore, the answer here is obvious.


      Mao fell to me in the fall, I didn’t agree with you.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 1 July 2016 19: 41
      +2
      Quote: Engineer
      Effective systems are made only by us and Israel. Therefore, the answer here is obvious.
      With these words you want to say that among the Arabs, Syrians in particular, the presence of such specialists is prohibited by religion ??? In their "birdhouse", I am sure, was made without the help of Israel. These countries are at war. There are no facts about Russia's assistance in this matter.
  8. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 1 July 2016 11: 10
    +15
    here there is no effect on the guided missile guidance system itself, but the operator is directly "blinded"

    What can you say? Simple and effective (at least against those types of weapons that the Basmachi have). And if you add a bit of power, then the phrase "blinded" the operator, you can write without quotes.
    In the sun, the telescope can only be viewed 2 times. 1 time with the left eye, 2 times with the right eye.
    PS On the topic of Syrian "birdhouses", I recalled a phrase from KVN: "The one-eyed girl is no longer interested in who lives in the birdhouse."
    1. puskarinkis
      puskarinkis 2 July 2016 21: 41
      +1
      As far as I remember, a similar system was created in the Soviet Union and showed good efficiency. In this regard, under pressure from the West, she was recognized as "not humane" and sent ... where necessary, in general. In Syria, there is no time for humanism now, and different types of weapons are being tested, including new ones. ... or maybe the "well forgotten" old ones.
  9. AlaskaKiD
    AlaskaKiD 1 July 2016 11: 10
    +2
    and it turns out that the Arabs know how to work, and create something, and not only play in "alah-ak-bar"
  10. olegff68
    olegff68 1 July 2016 11: 14
    +3
    Watching which ATGM ....
    "Birdhouse", with powerful IR diodes, most likely creates a false ATGM tracer marker ....
    Automation PU ATGM, seeing that the tracer (false) is OVER the tank, begins to give a constant signal to lower the REAL rocket ... and it crashes shortly.
    Not with all ATGMs, such a trick will give a ride.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 1 July 2016 11: 20
      +4
      The militants in Syria mainly use TOU, it is controlled by wire and blind the operator, this means having a powerful laser at hand, of which I doubt.
      1. just exp
        just exp 1 July 2016 11: 56
        +3
        quite powerful IR floodlight.
  11. sergey2017
    sergey2017 1 July 2016 11: 14
    +6
    “Birdhouse” - the abbreviation of the CEPF should be read as “a complex of optoelectronic counteraction”. KOEP prevents the guidance of a guided anti-tank missile flying into the tank and leads it away from military equipment. In addition, KOEP allows the tank crew to deal more effectively with ATGM calculations, warning that they are aiming a guided missile at the machine. a complex of optical-electronic countermeasures (COEP) interferes with aiming ATGMs in armored vehicles or knocks a shell off course. For example, the Shtora-1 optical-electronic countermeasure system protects armored vehicles from laser-guided missiles and a semi-automatic guidance system using a modulated light source. The COEP consists of a laser irradiation indicator, ammunition launchers with a smoke aerosol curtain and a searchlight. The laser irradiation indicator is a set of sensors located on the tank. If they aim at a car with a laser, the sensors record this and notify the crew, which allows them to maneuver on time or to move to cover. Also, when a laser is detected, the tank crew can send a command to the KOEP control system - and that will automatically turn the tower towards the radiation source.
  12. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 1 July 2016 11: 20
    +10
    In theory, systems "blinding" operators, snipers, etc. banned by some kind of another Geneva Convention, I remember very much America insisted on this, so they took care, they could not directly sleep. Syria apparently did not sign this convention. And in fact, all the main players have systems for laser blinding the enemy or destroying (damaging) optics, and at hour X they will no doubt go into action. The main thing here is not to be in the tail of this process, perhaps some of the developments are being tested in Syria.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 1 July 2016 13: 07
      +5
      "Syria apparently did not sign this convention."
      I didn’t read ...
      1. vpm
        vpm 5 July 2016 15: 35
        0
        Apparently protocol No. 5 of 1995 on blinding laser weapons. Syria really is not in the list of signatories: https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XXVI-2-a&chap
        ter = 26 & lang = en
  13. sogdianec
    sogdianec 1 July 2016 11: 21
    +4
    What is the operator blinded by? What device determines the location of the operator? How does the blinding "death ray" aim at the optics or directly to the eyes of the operator? Or does the very sight of a birdhouse instead of a tank turret dazzle the unfortunate ATGM operator?
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 1 July 2016 11: 54
      +5
      Technically, a laser pointer is enough to blind an operator. And guidance ... So the ATGM operator himself with his guidance laser is aiming at the tank. It does not need to be long and diligently sought, scanning the entire space around. It remains to detect this radiation and direct its own means of destruction along this ray.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 1 July 2016 12: 04
        +2
        Quote: abrakadabre
        It remains to detect this radiation and direct its own means of destruction along this ray.


        I will insert my 5kop. You can simply put the "birdhouse" in the mode of constant (pulsating) radiation with a directivity pattern of 360 degrees. Without detecting the source of the threat. Well, or in order to save energy, "shine" in the direction of the enemy.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 1 July 2016 12: 11
          +2
          I agree. That's why the "birdhouse" and the circular installation of searchlights. Most likely, the sensor on the corresponding side simply turns the spotlight on that side when hovering is detected. To save energy and lamp resource or whatever they have in the projector.
          Above, I simply explained the very principle of searching for an ATGM operator and retaliatory defeat. As in "Curtain". Where a tank can "blind" the ATGM gunner from a machine gun or a projectile, aiming at its beam.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 1 July 2016 12: 32
            +6
            Quote: abrakadabre
            Above, I simply explained the very principle of searching for an ATGM operator


            Valery! hi
            I found your explanations about the simplicity of the OEP devices used to an interested comrade useful, and therefore "clinging" to your comment. Well, it is somewhat surprising that many consider this "birdhouse" to be a miracle of technology and the product of a gloomy Syrian genius or a leak of technology from Russia and Israel. In fact, such a canoe, with the presence of components, can be piled on the knee by the forces of 2-3 TV workers. And, yes, still a Trudovik will be required. Cut out the body.
            With detection, of course, it will be more difficult, but not by much.
            PS I liked your method of "blinding".
  14. atamankko
    atamankko 1 July 2016 11: 23
    +3
    Misfortune will teach everything.
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  16. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 July 2016 11: 32
    +3
    "Mirage" - Sarab-1, in principle, this is the prototype of our "Curtains-1"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 12: 59
      +5
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Mirage "- Sarab-1, in principle, this is the prototype of our" Curtains-1 "

      The video is not Syria, in my opinion it is Saudi Arabia, indicative firing.
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 July 2016 11: 47
    +4
    Birdhouse - This is most likely a handicraft work on the principles of our "Curtain", in contrast to it, all-round, as required for tanks in rough terrain and buildings. The principle is powerful arc lamps blinking according to a specific algorithm. It is impossible to look at this light source - through any optics - the eyes immediately begin to watery, as if looking at the sun. It is also impossible to look through the Rapier's scope. I mean, Curtain "," Birdhouse ", of course, I haven't seen, but if it works like that, it's really hard to get there.
    1. Professor
      Professor 1 July 2016 12: 48
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It is impossible to look at this source of light - through no optics - the eyes immediately begin to watery, as if looking at the sun.

      Is this what? Birdhouse shines in the IR range.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 4 July 2016 10: 15
        +1
        So what? The sun also glows powerfully in the infrared. Try to look at it with binoculars. For the purity of the experiment, you can put some exotic light filter that transmits only the infrared component of the solar spectrum.
  18. NordUral
    NordUral 1 July 2016 11: 48
    +4
    Whoever comes up with, good luck to everyone!
  19. potapych
    potapych 1 July 2016 12: 23
    +2
    inspires someone taught physics at school wink
  20. Professor
    Professor 1 July 2016 12: 51
    -4
    Media: none of the Syrian tanks equipped with "birdhouses", was not affected by ATGM

    Once the media said it is so. lol Others, however, did not succeed in 100% efficiency, while those made on the knee of birdhouses did.





    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 1 July 2016 13: 06
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      Others, however, did not succeed in 100% efficiency, while those made on the knee of birdhouses did.


      Oleg! hi
      The effectiveness of COEPs depends on the type of funds they have to deal with. The value will "float" from 0% to 99,9%. I will not judge the size of the "birdhouse" effectiveness, but I will express the opinion that even the simplest OEP complex is still better than nothing. And if he suppresses the TOW operator, then he quite deserves a place under the sun. (In any case, TOW is the most flickering bogey in the news for Syrian tankers)
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 1 July 2016 13: 19
        +2
        Quote: Polite Moose
        Quote: Professor
        Others, however, did not succeed in 100% efficiency, while those made on the knee of birdhouses did.


        Oleg! hi
        The effectiveness of COEPs depends on the type of funds they have to deal with. The value will "float" from 0% to 99,9%. I will not judge the size of the "birdhouse" effectiveness, but I will express the opinion that even the simplest OEP complex is still better than nothing. And if he suppresses the TOW operator, then he quite deserves a place under the sun. (In any case, TOW is the most flickering bogey in the news for Syrian tankers)

        Well, it has begun!)))))
      2. Professor
        Professor 1 July 2016 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: Polite Elk
        I will not judge the size of the "birdhouse" effectiveness, but I will express the opinion that even the simplest OEP complex is still better than nothing.

        Gold words. However, super attributions should not be attributed to him.

        Quote: Polite Elk
        And if he suppresses the TOW operator, then he has earned himself a place under the Sun.

        He theoretically cannot suppress the operator.

        Quote: Polite Elk
        In any case, TOW is the most flashing news bug for Syrian tankers.

        Of course not. Just when starting the TOU you need to shoot a video in order to report to the military.

        Quote: Riv
        the microwire through which the rocket is controlled is the same antenna. The thinner it is (and there are three kilometers wound there), the easier it is to introduce interference into the signal.

        fool

        Quote: Riv
        Here "Blind" creates just such interference. The rocket's steering wheels start to twitch and it misses the target. Well, or if you're very unlucky, it doesn't work.

        What kind of interference? What rudders?

        Quote: Riv
        The TOW control system focuses on the infrared exhaust of the rocket engine.

        Is the school vacation? Would you even read the wiki before writing such nonsense?

        Quote: Riv
        If infrared spotlights start flashing near the target, then it takes them for the exhaust, again it starts to pull the rudders and the rocket deviates from the target.

        I made the right decision to stop writing articles on this site. Nobody reads them anyway. For whom did I write an article about TOU? For yourself?
        In the TOU there is no GOS at all, and it is generally not induced anywhere. The operator and the operator are guided by these birdhouses and the Curtain to one place. At the tail of the rocket is a xenon beacon. It is he who is driven by an automatic machine to the PU transmitting signals through the wire. When the machine takes the birdhouse for a beacon, it gives the wrong signals to the rocket and it goes past the target. Like you Marshal.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 1 July 2016 14: 23
          +12
          Quote: Professor
          He theoretically cannot suppress the operator.


          Oleg!
          By suppressing the operator, I did not mean depriving him of his life or virginity, but depriving him of his ability to carry out PTR guidance against the background of more powerful exposure in the PTR tracer range. Ideally, a temporary (well, or how lucky) violation of his vision through the optics of an ATGM sight.

          Quote: Professor
          I made the right decision to stop writing articles on this site. Nobody reads them anyway.


          Here you are wrong. Personally, I read with interest. I do not agree with all the facts, but nonetheless. hi
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 July 2016 14: 34
            0
            Quote: Polite Elk
            By suppressing the operator, I did not mean depriving him of his life or virginity, but depriving him of his ability to carry out PTR guidance against the background of more powerful exposure in the PTR tracer range. Ideally, a temporary (well, or how lucky) violation of his vision through the optics of an ATGM sight.

            You are mistaken. the principle of the birdhouse is completely different. it does not blind the operator, but misleads the tracking machine. The operator continues to hold the mark on the target, and the rocket flies the wrong way.

            Quote: Polite Elk
            Here you are wrong. Personally, I read with interest. I do not agree with all the facts, but nonetheless.

            I am always right. wassat
            One cannot but agree with the "facts", that is why they are facts. You can disagree with the "statements". Is not it? wink
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 1 July 2016 14: 38
              +8
              Quote: Professor
              I am always right

              Calm down sick sad You should not worry No. laughing
            2. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 1 July 2016 15: 10
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              One cannot but agree with the "facts", that is why they are facts.


              Is not a fact!
              Facts are irrefutable and, therefore, irrefutable. It all depends on the point of view. The main thing is that the object of discussion "fact" does not grow into a "fact". On this I propose to complete the discussion of philosophical nuances, as not related to the topic of this article. drinks
            3. ver_
              ver_ 1 July 2016 16: 14
              +3
              ... the worse for the facts ..
            4. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 3 July 2016 20: 25
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              I am always right

              You wait :)
        2. Denimax
          Denimax 1 July 2016 19: 55
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          When the machine takes the birdhouse for a beacon, it gives the wrong signals to the rocket and it goes past the target.

          There may be a slightly different option. An automaton seeing a beacon on a target may think that the rocket is on the right course and stop giving correction signals. And since ATGM is not a high-speed NURS, then without signals it can easily go aside. IMHO
        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 2 July 2016 23: 04
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          What steering wheels?

          Ah, professor, how embarrassing it is to cheat. What steering wheels, but such (Control Surface), or is it not fashionable in Israel to know English?
          1. Professor
            Professor 3 July 2016 07: 06
            -1
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Ah, professor, how embarrassing it is to cheat. What steering wheels, but such (Control Surface), or is it not fashionable in Israel to know English?

            Again you are by. Are the steering wheels "starting to twitch"? laughing Apparently from fear.
  21. Riv
    Riv 1 July 2016 13: 24
    -7
    Commentators of all nonsense wrote something ...

    Old TOWs have wired control. It is clear that such a missile has a rather limited radius of destruction and it is very difficult to install it on airborne equipment, but it is not necessary to irradiate the target with anything. The operator simply holds the sight mark on it. But there is, as in a vulgar joke, a nuance: the microwire through which the rocket is controlled is the same antenna. The thinner it is (and there are three kilometers wound), the easier it is to introduce interference into the signal. Here "Blind" creates just such interference. The rocket's steering wheels start to twitch and it misses the target. Well, or if you're very unlucky, it doesn't work.

    And two "red eyes" provide countermeasures to infrared and laser-guided missiles. The TOW control system focuses on the infrared exhaust from the rocket engine. If infrared searchlights begin to flash near the target, then it takes them for exhaust, again begins to pull the rudders and the rocket deviates from the target. In the video posted above, just this is clearly visible.
  22. uruss
    uruss 1 July 2016 15: 20
    -3
    No wonder everything is true! Upon contact with the grate, the cumulative projectile explodes and creates a cumulative stream which, without direct contact with the armor, does not have such force to burn through it! another thing is a grenade with tandem warheads a vampire grenade launcher for example! Well, that is not a fact!
  23. Leeder
    Leeder 1 July 2016 16: 21
    +3
    Quote: razmik72
    The militants in Syria mainly use TOU, it is controlled by wire and blind the operator, this means having a powerful laser at hand, of which I doubt.

    If you know "where" to shine, then a household pointer is enough. Rather, the question is in the detection of optics, and aiming at it.
    1. corporal
      corporal 1 July 2016 21: 39
      +1
      Quote: LeeDer
      the question is in detecting optics,

      Easy! Already somehow discussed.
      http://taskt.ru/catalog/apparatura-nabljudenija-i-kontrolja/730/
  24. acetophenon
    acetophenon 1 July 2016 16: 51
    +3
    Quote: edos1979
    Quote: Chariton
    Now comrades from Israel will debase everyone .... We are waiting!

    Are you anti-Semite?

    And if yes, then what? Are you anti-anti-Semitic? Or a Semite?
    1. vnedra
      vnedra 2 July 2016 17: 48
      0
      wink And if yes, then what?
  25. CTPEJIKuH
    CTPEJIKuH 2 July 2016 00: 56
    -1
    Can I have a video where this birdhouse helps?
    Well, at least one ....
  26. dojjdik
    dojjdik 2 July 2016 09: 27
    0
    Jews are freaking out, so in Afghanistan they managed to spin up their "stinger" they did good grandmothers, but with tow a bummer - they never succeed - but they have time in the future Lebanese war
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 2 July 2016 10: 13
      -4
      dojjdik
      Jews are freaking out - in Afghanistan, they managed to spin their "stinger"


      Do you mean the planetary Jewish conspiracy or the fact that Israel produces the Stinger?
  27. TOR2
    TOR2 2 July 2016 21: 32
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    You are mistaken. the principle of the birdhouse is completely different. it does not blind the operator, but misleads the tracking machine. The operator continues to hold the mark on the target, and the rocket flies the wrong way.

    Professor, did you really write that !!! Not so long ago, in a similar topic, we all "collective farm" tried to prove it to you.
    To be more precise, something like this
    A searchlight provides radiation with parameters (modulation frequency and spectral range) similar to the characteristics of missile tracers used in complexes of anti-tank guided weapons. This radiation is perceived by the coordinator. The radiation power of the searchlight installation significantly exceeds the radiation power of the tracer, therefore, as the rocket approaches the protected machine, the signal level from the tracer on the coordinator decreases, while the signal level from the searchlight remains constant. At the moment when the signal level from the searchlight installation on the coordinator exceeds the signal level from the projectile tracer, the coordinator intercepts the searchlight signal instead of the tracer signal, and false motion correction commands begin to be sent to the projectile, which leads to disruption of projectile guidance.
    1. Professor
      Professor 3 July 2016 07: 00
      0
      Quote: TOR2
      Professor, did you really write that !!! Not so long ago, in a similar topic, we all "collective farm" tried to prove it to you.

      You tried to prove its effectiveness by the whole collective farm. As before, I remain of my opinion and never believe that the child prodigy provides the efficiency approved by the author.

      Quote: TOR2
      A searchlight provides radiation with parameters (modulation frequency and spectral range) similar to those of missile tracers used in anti-tank guided weapon systems.

      What modulation? She is not in TOU, and he does not need her.

      Quote: TOR2
      At the moment when the signal level from the searchlight installation on the coordinator exceeds the signal level from the projectile tracer, the coordinator intercepts the searchlight signal instead of the tracer signal, and false motion correction commands begin to be sent to the projectile, which leads to disruption of projectile guidance.

      Yes, that’s how it works in theory.
  28. Technologist
    Technologist 3 July 2016 10: 47
    +1
    War, like laziness, is also an engine of progress.
    Necessitas auctum intellectum.
  29. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 3 July 2016 12: 11
    +1
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Kibbutz is an interesting idea, very convenient in many respects ... I honestly admire two things in Israel - the stamina of soldiers and the valor of the army, and the second is agriculture ...

    And they, fellow countryman, have no other way out, if even one of them does not exist, either the army is good, or agricultural, in one case they will "trample", in the other they will die of hunger, not because they are so hardworking, persistent and Throughout my life, next year, "fifty dollars" will knock, I met only one Jew, a hard worker, an assembly fitter in an OKB at the plant, when I came from the army and got a job, but I want to say the head was what to look for and hands from a very the right place to grow.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 4 July 2016 04: 36
      0
      ... exceptions - only emphasize the rule ...
  30. ver_
    ver_ 3 July 2016 16: 51
    +1
    Quote: andrewkor
    And here I am S-o-and-t: the main postulate s-o-and-ma is the return of all "chosen ones" to the ancestral home. to Mount Zion. Then let them cross over to the promised land, as Yahweh pointed out.

    If they move to Zion, they still will not be Jews ...
  31. Leeder
    Leeder 6 July 2016 13: 36
    0
    Quote: Corporal
    Quote: LeeDer
    the question is in detecting optics,

    Easy! Already somehow discussed.
    http://taskt.ru/catalog/apparatura-nabljudenija-i-kontrolja/730/

    So I wrote that in "detection and guidance", what will you guide - with your hands? Moreover, you need a synchronizer, and you need to aim quickly and accurately.