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Some Turkish citizens called on the Russian president to "be careful" with Erdogan

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After the unexpectedly hasty adoption of an “apology” from Erdogan and the orders to proceed to the restoration of relations with the Turkish authorities, perplexity became apparent not only in Russia, but also in foreign countries, including Turkey itself. Thus, the German press said that such hasty actions of the Kremlin are connected with "the desire to jointly oppose the democratic West." In a number of German newspapers, their readers are told that “mentally, Putin and Erdogan are very similar, and therefore, as they believe, they need to go closer.”


The comments of experts and ordinary readers appear in various foreign and Russian editions, in which they urge Vladimir Putin “to be more careful with Erdogan”. In "Arguments and Facts" came out materialdedicated to what ordinary Turks think about the "counter" steps of Russia.

Giva Sunrise:
President Putin, be careful with him (with Erdogan - note "IN")! I mean, he is a green snake under green grass - he has been a West spy for a long time!


Some Turkish citizens called on the Russian president to "be careful" with Erdogan


Musstuf Yass:
Do not forgive him, Mr. Putin!


Ex-hotel manager Zia Baki:
In Turkey, everything is in order. I hope Moscow and Ankara will finally become friends. Our president apologized, but his policy was initially wrong. Although he acted in the interests of the Turkish people, he lost and Putin won.


In the Russian media, opinion was divided. Some believe that a kind of veiled scheme, implemented by the Kremlin and aimed at ensuring that Turkey in every sense of the word has paid for its actions, is working, others are confident that the Kremlin is losing in opposition and decides to play back as much as possible, but forgetting about its own accusations Erdogan’s support of terrorist groups.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 1 July 2016 07: 18
    +2
    As they say, geopolitics dictates its own laws - it's geopolitics baby!
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 1 July 2016 07: 26
      +29
      I do not want to speak banalities, but I think that the emperor’s words about two allies - the army and navy, are the only axiom for us. And politics is a dirty business.
      What does it mean to forgive or not to forgive? Who can forgive the murder of his citizen. No one has the right to this and the president has got. Just in communication with Erdogan, they will diplomatically circumvent the topic of murder. No one is going to forget about what was done by the Turks, just when doing business with them this fact will be taken into account.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 1 July 2016 12: 58
        +3
        Persuaded, will use a condom ...
    2. Temples
      Temples 1 July 2016 07: 28
      -13%
      I mean, he is a green snake under green grass - he has been a Western spy for a long time!

      Under the grass is the ground.
      What is the saying?
      Was the translator an idiot?

      In Russian it will be - in the grass.

      Anyway, it would be strange to see a bright red snake in the green grass.
      The crap is full.

      Giva Moshod - looks like a Jew.

      Not a damn not a Turkish name.

      And the material came out in "Arguments and Facts". Very revealing!

      Some ghoul apparently throws in information without particularly going into the essence of what has been said.

      The writing genius AiF apparently cracked himself and smoked.
      So it came out - a green serpent under the grass.
      1. Ayujak
        Ayujak 1 July 2016 07: 30
        +2
        Well, the grass could be cut winked
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 1 July 2016 08: 04
        +4
        You want to say that all the Turks polls are enshrined in the Sultan?
    3. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 1 July 2016 07: 28
      +9
      Time will show what is the point. But Vladimir Vladimirovich will say that Ordinary citizens are not guilty and, for this reason, went for rapprochement. . . and what was going on behind the scenes is interesting, and now will we find out about THIS.
      1. SSR
        SSR 1 July 2016 07: 34
        +8
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        Time will show what is the point. But Vladimir Vladimirovich will say that Ordinary citizens are not guilty and, for this reason, went for rapprochement. . . and what was going on behind the scenes is interesting, and now will we find out about THIS.

        + and most importantly, we don’t know what role is assigned to Erdogandon and Turkey as a whole, taking into account the fact that he is in almost all countries, Europe, the USA / Obama, with neighbors ... We don’t know how to use it now, but the same Kurdish movement is gaining strength ...
        Imha we have to wait and watch and ignore everything Turkish, it is on the conscience of the people themselves, no one has yet taken away the right to choose.
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 1 July 2016 07: 38
          +3
          At a minimum, an agreement to close the border with Syria and expel the Igilov gang formations to the sound of terrorist attacks. And the establishment of coordinated contacts of the military, to prevent conflicts. So to speak, we told you and it was not in vain that we flew there. . . until the gentlemen flirted.
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 1 July 2016 08: 11
          +7
          You are absolutely right: if at the highest level, it’s not a fact that everyone will run to buy Turkish tomatoes. A lot depends on the citizens: if you ignore the Turkish vegetables, what will Putin eat alone?
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 1 July 2016 22: 54
            0
            Quote: Monarchist
            A lot depends on the citizens: if you ignore the Turkish vegetables, what will Putin eat alone?

            As practice shows, most citizens don't care about the origin of vegetables in the store - if only it was cheaper! And here they (citizens) just copy the behavior of the herd especially clearly .. at the same time COMPLETELY NOT THINKING about patriotism, national pride ... I wonder why we, in this case, are better than living according to the principle "Nothing personal - just business!" the oligarchs we all love to blame?
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 1 July 2016 07: 32
      +3
      Putin has a unique chance to play on the contradictions in the collapse of the EU and on Germany’s relations with Turkey. The subtlest jewelry policy has already gone here. This is how to get between Scylla and Charybdis. No wonder he had visited China before.
    5. 73bor
      73bor 1 July 2016 08: 45
      +5
      There is a proverb- "you can forgive, you can not believe it!" Well, he asked for forgiveness, so what now? - let's all back, well, NO.
    6. Sly
      Sly 1 July 2016 08: 54
      +3
      I watched Putin’s speech on the lifting of sanctions on television. His face showed that it was extremely unpleasant for him to speak - but it was necessary. Plus, it was the day after the terrorist attack at Ataturk Airport, which was possibly organized in order to discredit this cancellation in the eyes of the people or to disrupt it altogether. In general, it’s clear that this is being done for a reason, and that you need to even hurry, since they hastily turned it all around, otherwise the sanctions would hang at least until next year. Well, for what - time will tell.
    7. Achilles
      Achilles 1 July 2016 12: 22
      +3
      What infuriates me most is our federal media, which says that Turkey admits its mistakes and asks for forgiveness, but in this letter there is no acknowledgment of the error and there is no request to forgive, there is only one thing and that they regret the plane’s crash, and this Different things. Putin at first glance is clearly wrong, of course we'll see what happens next, but still a big disappointment.
    8. Motherland Russia
      Motherland Russia 1 July 2016 17: 34
      +2
      And here is geopolitics - let everyone who is going to rest imagine that his relative or close acquaintance was in a downed fighter ...
  2. Yak28
    Yak28 1 July 2016 07: 18
    +4
    If you consider that Turkey is a NATO country of a military bloc hostile to Russia, then it’s clear to a fool that one should be on the alert with any Turkish president.
  3. hirurg
    hirurg 1 July 2016 07: 23
    +10
    I don’t think that GDP is such a person that you can go round on a lame goat.
    And ordinary people are unlikely to open their arms to Turks (about tourism)
  4. Lyton
    Lyton 1 July 2016 07: 26
    +7
    I, too, do not think well about the reciprocal steps of the GDP, I will hope that it is more visible there what to do in this case.
  5. newcomer
    newcomer 1 July 2016 07: 26
    +5
    I agree that Erdogan has long sunk into the agent. I don’t understand the howling of the West about the “hasty acceptance of an apology.” that the chanals again turned out to be not in your opinion and where is the haste? why when we win the diplomatic party, well, the West is understandable, ours begin: not so, not that, everything was gone. Naturally, the gdp knows everything perfectly and everything is calculated from him. I just admire him as a chess player myself. once again about haste, let these geyropecy show, at least once, where and when the gdp acted outside the framework of the deep. of the charter.
  6. bald
    bald 1 July 2016 07: 27
    +7
    Political game and it is profitable for us. And for what has happened before, they will never be forgotten, they will not be washed away. That is complete idiocy with tourists. What happened, the Ministry of Emergencies send for them - although they know where they will go.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 July 2016 07: 28
    +5
    It seems to me that within six months it will become clearer on events and actions about what we agreed on and why Russia went to the meeting (once again not only to the Turks). And the sediment I personally still remained. Turks rejoice in Russia as well, those who for six months cannot live without Turkish beaches.
  8. Ruzina Natalia
    Ruzina Natalia 1 July 2016 07: 30
    -6
    This rapprochement is simply mutually necessary. We are even more. Under sanctions, I would leave only Turkish tomatoes.
    1. Vyacheslav73
      Vyacheslav73 1 July 2016 07: 56
      +3
      Why do we need more ???, let me curiosity what
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 11: 04
      0
      Quote: Ruzina Natalia
      Under sanctions, I would leave only Turkish tomatoes.

      do they force us into the throat? this sanction depends on us. we will not buy, they will not import
  9. Ayujak
    Ayujak 1 July 2016 07: 33
    +12
    Russian citizens! I urge everyone to be vigilant. Do not rush back to these resorts. After all, the question is not only the honor of the country, but also your safety! To destroy a bus with Russian tourists is worthless to any Ishilovites. There are a dime a dozen in Turkey.
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 1 July 2016 07: 49
      +5
      Quote: AYUJAK
      Russian citizens! I urge everyone to be vigilant. Do not rush back to these resorts. After all, the question is not only the honor of the country, but also your safety! To destroy a bus with Russian tourists is worthless to any Ishilovites. There are a dime a dozen in Turkey.

      Maybe then you should not open a tourist flow to where it is dangerous? What was the need? An urgent need, judging by the fact that the attack was not an obstacle.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 1 July 2016 11: 06
        0
        Quote: edos1979
        Maybe then you should not open a tourist flow to where it is dangerous

        the calculation is that adults have a head on their shoulders and they perfectly understand where to go to relax, and where it is undesirable.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 1 July 2016 08: 47
      +2
      You are right: rushing to Turkish beaches is not worth it
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 1 July 2016 09: 27
        +2
        Quote: Monarchist
        You are right: rushing to Turkish beaches is not worth it
        Yes, ours do not care ... Unfortunately, patriotism is not yet in the first place with us ((((The main thing is "all inclusive" for a lower price.
    3. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 1 July 2016 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: AYUJAK
      Russian citizens! I urge everyone to be vigilant. Do not rush back to these resorts. After all, the question is not only the honor of the country, but also your safety! To destroy a bus with Russian tourists is worthless to any Ishilovites. There are a dime a dozen in Turkey.

      In Russia, fools are in store for several centuries ahead. They will go, and with joy. Only let their families then howl at the innocently murdered relatives.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 1 July 2016 10: 17
        +5
        let them write paper that the Russian Federation is not obliged to save their lives during the capture of ISIS and let them immediately write a will - and with this condition, the road to Turkey will be open

        Well, then see how many smart people we have)

        1. rabbi's pais
          rabbi's pais 1 July 2016 12: 26
          0
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          let them write paper that the Russian Federation is not obliged to save their lives when captured by ISIS

          Oh yes, what kind of paper. In their brains, olinclusive included all the remnants of the mind.
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 1 July 2016 11: 08
        +1
        Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
        Only then let their families do not howl at the innocently murdered relatives.

        Why, again, GDP will be to blame for the fact that they went there
        1. rabbi's pais
          rabbi's pais 1 July 2016 12: 29
          -3
          Quote: Lukich
          Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
          Only then let their families do not howl at the innocently murdered relatives.

          Why, again, GDP will be to blame for the fact that they went there

          Putin plans to go far ahead. A southern stream of blood from the nose is needed, you will have to send some not too boisterous Russians to rest to the Tureks. Well, they will pay with their own lives, they are to blame.
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 1 July 2016 13: 43
            +1
            Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
            .Well will pay with their lives, they themselves are to blame.

            you are right, he is simply obliged to tell everyone that it is dangerous to go there.
            1. rabbi's pais
              rabbi's pais 1 July 2016 19: 15
              -1
              Quote: Lukich
              Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
              .Well will pay with their lives, they themselves are to blame.

              you are right, he is simply obliged to tell everyone that it is dangerous to go there.

              Aha, I’m going to call each person personally / write a letter / go home / go through the radio.
  10. PValery53
    PValery53 1 July 2016 07: 34
    +1
    Erdogan is mentally much closer to the ruling clan of European officials than to Putin due to the speed of his decisions. Let them not mix "flies with cutlets".
  11. edos1979
    edos1979 1 July 2016 07: 40
    +1
    Erdogan has strong support within the country and lying about the fact that the Turks do not like him is not necessary. They have reason to be proud and we have only retreats and concessions after Crimea. Yes and these comrades will surrender Crimea. According to some kind of Minsk agreement, they will tell the people that Poroshenko apologized. Now then what already. We are partners.
    1. VICTOR-61
      VICTOR-61 1 July 2016 08: 21
      -1
      I agree with you, except for the Crimea, and then on pensions our rulers please Erdogan than the Crimeans do not understand the strategy
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 1 July 2016 08: 51
      0
      Sergeant, please talk nonsense. Senior officers do not see this, but the sergeant saw.
    3. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: edos1979
      and after Crimea we have only retreats and concessions.

      at least one voice please
  12. su163
    su163 1 July 2016 07: 41
    +11
    You can not believe Erdogan. The man seriously bent under us and harbored a grudge, no, not so HAD a GRAB. And at any moment he can throw a fortel. It is our tourists who will fill the Turkish budget with money. We also have a place to relax. Why do we need Turkish builders, what can they show new. For me, you still need to hold a year on a starvation ration of the Turks, and there they themselves will throw off their leader.
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 1 July 2016 07: 45
      +2
      We caved in and not him.
  13. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 July 2016 07: 58
    +6
    It is naive to think that Putin, making a decision, did not foresee the negative reaction of the country's population. Which of us knows the essence of the telephone conversation, what they talked about, what they agreed on. Maybe someone thinks that Putin does not know the true face and thoughts of Erdogan, I doubt it very much. In this situation, I am more concerned with the question - that Russia will win, but it will definitely win.
    1. edos1979
      edos1979 1 July 2016 08: 06
      -3
      All inclusive Russia will win.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 1 July 2016 08: 19
        +1
        Quote: edos1979
        All inclusive Russia will win

        - Are you a masochist?
        1. edos1979
          edos1979 1 July 2016 08: 24
          -5
          No buddy. Find yourself another partner
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 1 July 2016 08: 33
            +2
            - the question, in fact, is caused by your demeanor on the forum. Apparently, you like to feel innocently offended - I can’t get any other explanation. request

            Quote: edos1979
            No buddy. Find yourself another partner

            - "buddy" in your pants (c)
  14. mamont5
    mamont5 1 July 2016 08: 01
    +6
    "President Putin, be careful with him (with Erdogan - approx." VO ")! I mean that he is a green snake under the green grass - he has been a spy for the West for a long time!"

    And who would doubt ...
  15. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 1 July 2016 08: 08
    -1
    And what interests me most is to know the data ... how many Russian citizens went / will go on holiday to Turkey this year.
    And by the way....
    Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed to lift the restriction on Russian tourists visiting Turkey.

    And this is with the existing civil war in the country and the permanent terrorist threat. Plus ... Turkey is a terrorist state.
  16. Holsten
    Holsten 1 July 2016 08: 08
    +2
    Now someone will outplay whom, and Putin has not yet lost a single geopolitical battle with his "friends."
  17. erased
    erased 1 July 2016 08: 14
    -2
    Our pilots and marines who died in Syria are forgotten. A downed plane and helicopter are forgotten. Victims of the Boeing attack flying from Egypt. It is forgotten that Turkey and Erdogan personally watered the Russians. And his support for Ukraine. Everything is forgotten for the sake of profit.
    Russians are offered to betray their dead, to sell honor and conscience for a tour of the resort. And delete from memory the rhetoric in the Russian media over the past six months.
    Here it is - a new policy of the authorities.
    Only if again something explodes and falls from the sky, no one else will believe and listen to the angry denunciation of the Kremlin. More on shouts "wolf" will not respond ...
  18. Dyagilev
    Dyagilev 1 July 2016 08: 16
    +8
    This is the peculiarity of oriental politics - they apologized not for repenting, but for being pressed against the wall.
  19. Snob
    Snob 1 July 2016 08: 25
    +3
    First of all, I would like to revive our economy and domestic policy. And how could we be so "tough" with foreign policy, we can forgive or not forgive Erdogan, and there are a dime a dozen of these "Erdogans" in the country themselves! What is it worth pushing juvenile laws through the Federation Council and the policy of strangling the economy of the Central Bank to the ovation of the West ...
  20. Russki
    Russki 1 July 2016 08: 32
    -3
    And then we wonder why even “Ukrainians2 are wiping their feet on us. Yes, because we are doing everything in half.
  21. Xmyp
    Xmyp 1 July 2016 08: 36
    +1
    Quote: sana_59
    all the same, the Turks caved in ... for it’s not easy that our president went to the world with him, obviously not for the beautiful eyes of Erdogashka ... it’s just for us mortals not to know everything

    You are so naive. wink
    The question is simply in the Turkish gas pipeline.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 11: 16
      0
      Quote: XmyP
      The question is simply in the Turkish gas pipeline.

      but this is not enough? there still hung the question of building a nuclear power plant. and there’s probably much more to eat. GDP couldn’t just negotiate for beautiful eyes
  22. edos1979
    edos1979 1 July 2016 08: 40
    -2
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    - the question, in fact, is caused by your demeanor on the forum. Apparently, you like to feel innocently offended - I can’t get any other explanation. request

    Quote: edos1979
    No buddy. Find yourself another partner

    - "buddy" in your pants (c)

    Listen comrade what is the question such is the answer.
  23. GEV67
    GEV67 1 July 2016 08: 44
    0
    Everywhere sane people, but our politicians are the main loot grab. The concept of patriotism is alien to them! And all the blah blah that this is to the benefit of our state and all of us are complete nonsense. This is only to the advantage of all these politicians, businessmen, and how this loot passes them. It's a shame for the state.
  24. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 July 2016 08: 49
    +5
    I wish you were Putin's place. You would probably make only those decisions that people like. Yeah. Based on this, a doctor would stop giving bitter pills, and teachers put two.
    The goal is the main thing. And the price we pay to achieve this goal.
  25. Monarchist
    Monarchist 1 July 2016 08: 59
    +4
    Whatever one may say or twiddle, but the sultan has included the "back". VV as practice has shown in 8 cases out of 10 is absolutely right, and the "seers" from "Echo" as a rule did not look further than their noses. But in this case, we need to be careful and not rush to Antalya, and instead of Turkish tomatoes, eat our own!
  26. Wolka
    Wolka 1 July 2016 09: 05
    +3
    anyway, well, I don’t believe the Turks, I don’t believe it ...
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 1 July 2016 09: 26
      +3
      Quote: Volka
      anyway, well, I don’t believe the Turks, I don’t believe it ...

      No one believes them ... Well, as the Chinese sages say, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer .."
  27. Enoch
    Enoch 1 July 2016 09: 22
    +2
    Worse, part of our people, taking care of their belly, its fullness and tan on it, is ready, despite the death of our soldiers, to go to rest on the Turkish coast. So much for patriotism. Thank God there are fewer of them than patriots who do not sell their honor.
  28. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 1 July 2016 09: 25
    +1
    Erdogan took the first step towards immediately after the referendum in Britain. This, apparently, is the case. Europe and the world are waiting for big changes.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 1 July 2016 09: 28
      0
      Quote: Sergey Medvedev
      Erdogan took the first step towards immediately after the referendum in Britain. This, apparently, is the case. Europe and the world are waiting for big changes.

      In "fun time" we live men ..
  29. edos1979
    edos1979 1 July 2016 09: 28
    +1
    Quote: monk
    Worse, part of our people, taking care of their belly, its fullness and tan on it, is ready, despite the death of our soldiers, to go to rest on the Turkish coast. So much for patriotism. Thank God there are fewer of them than patriots who do not sell their honor.

    And other incorruptible patriots gave such an opportunity.
  30. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 July 2016 09: 31
    +2
    It seems that nothing should come as a surprise to the Kremlin, including the possible cunning of the Turkish leader. Nobody will rejoice insanely because the geopolitical and economic interests are higher. In Syria, first of all, it is necessary to put things in order and it will be more difficult to do without Turkey .Economy also does not lag behind ..
  31. Victor1
    Victor1 1 July 2016 09: 51
    -2
    Putin does not care about the Russian People and the honor of Russia, but here some Turks write ... Once again, Putin throws loud words, then, as if nothing had happened, he forgets about them, so it was with Donbass, when in March he spoke that he will not allow at least one Russian to die, so he will not get off with "tomatoes" with an indistinct letter, despite the fact that he also supports terrorism and various negative actions in our country, both in Crimea and the Caucasus ..
    Shame on the whole world.

    I hope the majority of our people will continue to keep Turkey under their "sanctions", will not buy Turkish goods, and rest in Turkish resorts.

    Instead of developing our agricultural sector, and other import substitution, for all Putin-Medvedev and other Siluvanov-Ulyukaevs, it is better to buy everything in the west and withdraw our funds abroad, rather than put into circulation inside the country.
    Indeed, it is not profitable for the enemies of the people to develop and restore domestic enterprises, then Russia will become stronger, and they do not need a strong Russia.

    All this resembles the events of 100 years ago, in 1914 the king was praised, at 17 overthrown by the whole crowd, with all the known consequences.
    I would not want another shock to happen in Russia, we experienced 20 serious shocks in the 3th century, even after one of these others do not survive, but we were able to overcome and survive, and we are again led to this ..
    Knowing what kind of enemies of the people, traitors and pests are sitting in the Kremlin, it’s somehow scary for the future of Russia .., and such inarticulate events reinforce these fears ..
    1. Drozd-den
      Drozd-den 1 July 2016 11: 15
      +3
      In many ways, you can agree, but not quite. Here about the traitors in the Kremlin disagree for sure.
      And the question tormenting me is why the GDP (as a servant of the people) does not ask the people what kind of relations the people want to have with Erdogan, and therefore the Turks and Turks who shot down our plane.
      They brought grief and suffering to the families of the deceased.
      They lied and spat in the face of the people and the Kremlin and now they continue to do this in Syria.
      So how do people fight like that? and everything, the Kremlin does not discuss about further decisions and actions with the people.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 1 July 2016 14: 04
        +1
        Quote: Drozd-Den
        I am tormented by the question why the GDP (as a servant of the people) does not ask the people what kind of relations the people want to have with Erdogan, and therefore the Turks

        - and here it torments me Honduras the question is why the pilot of the plane in which I fly ... somewhere does not consult with passengers about, for example, how high people want to fly ...
        - strange, isn't it? After all, we, passengers, paid money, therefore, this pilot for the duration of the flight is our, as it were, a "servant"
        - but he doesn’t consult with us nirazu, the son of a donkey ...
        - on the other hand, it’s scary to think what will happen if he suddenly begins to consult ...

        However, the dilemma request
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 1 July 2016 16: 10
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - on the other hand, it’s scary to think what will happen if he suddenly begins to consult ...

          near Smolensk one pilot was already advised. the country was left without a president
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 13: 59
      +1
      what a mess in my head ...
      Quote: Victor1
      Once again Putin throws out big words, then as if nothing had happened he forgets about them, so it was with the Donbass, when in March he said that he would not allow at least one Russian to die

      Yes Donbass NO Russian troops and therefore no one could die. or do you believe about the Russian aggression?
      Quote: Victor1
      , so "he won't get off with tomatoes"

      and didn't get off. People lost more from the loss of tourists than from tomatoes. and the Kurds have "no idea" where the new weapon came from. and there is much we do not know yet. and the President is not obliged to tell what other steps he has taken in the military-political relation
      Quote: Victor1
      Instead of developing our agricultural direction,

      over the past year, our direction has increased by 3%. and this is a lot. ashamed to comment on the rest of the nonsense
      1. Victor1
        Victor1 1 July 2016 17: 54
        -1
        it’s your porridge in your head and your memory is short ..
        Yes Donbass NO Russian troops and therefore no one could die. or do you believe about the Russian aggression?

        and here the troops, you first remember about the events of those days then, then start tryndet.
        Firstly, he said Russians, not Russians, but even if we consider what he meant about the citizens of the Russian Federation.
        What to do with the same journalists or with the person from the Rostov region who died from a shell that arrived from dill? and these are just a couple of cases ..
        secondly, his words inspired the whole Russian population of the former Ukraine, especially after the annexation of Crimea, but in reality it was a zilch, people are still dying there.
        it was possible to solve everything when Ukraine and the army didn’t have it, and the west was in shock and did not understand what to do, and sanctions still hang, but this is another topic for discussion, there is no point in arguing here.

        and did not get off

        if you don’t know what a figurative expression is, and even in quotation marks it’s your problem, after all that has happened and all the words said, such a hasty behavior of the president to a slurred little letter looks inadequate, some kind of nonsense, especially against the background of terrorist attacks.
        over the past year, our direction has increased by 3%. and this is a lot. ashamed to comment on the rest of the nonsense

        nonsense in your head.
        and all these 2–3% growth, according to Medvedev, as the average temperature in the hospital, is nothing to talk about.
  32. prior
    prior 1 July 2016 09: 59
    0
    As Mueller said: "You can't trust anyone."
    Trite, but caution will not hurt anyone and never.
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 1 July 2016 11: 54
      0
      I will continue the "catch phrase" - "... even to myself, but I can do it." am
  33. X Y Z
    X Y Z 1 July 2016 10: 00
    +2
    Of course, from the outside, all this looks rather hasty and awkward, but Putin is not an exalted young lady, throwing herself out of her arms and back under the influence of emotions and changing her mood every minute. There are many factors that are not known to couch strategists and liberal analysts who are forced to take these very steps, and not some others. Do not try to find better solutions than those developed by our leading institutions and analysts. This is not serious.
  34. atamankko
    atamankko 1 July 2016 10: 12
    +2
    Erdogan cannot be trusted and the GDP knows this better than us,
    and what is behind his decision we will soon find out, it takes time.
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  36. Tamerlan I
    Tamerlan I 1 July 2016 10: 44
    -1
    The fact that the most "influential" politician so quickly accepted Erdogan's "apology" - the one whom he recently considered and called no less a "terrorist accomplice" and the one who stabbed him in the back ... It is hardly surprising if we consider his actions not from the side of patriotism (the criteria of patriotism are mainly appealed by ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation, in the top leadership, including the most "influential" patriotism is guided in the last place, the "Mannerheim board" confirms this more than ), but from the point of view of economic feasibility, everything is understandable - you need to pull the gas pipe somewhere and for this the government is ready for any insinuations and they absolutely do not know how it looks from the outside. Alas and ah
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 14: 05
      +2
      Quote: Tamerlane I
      need to pull the gas pipe somewhere

      your pipe and for yourself? then let's block all the pipes. and Gazprom, if you don't know, has income from these pipes and pays tax to the State. and not small. and from this tax people receive a pension. this tax contains the army and whatnot. I do not want to say that this is all from one gas, but a few tens of BILLIONS a year will not be superfluous
      1. Tamerlan I
        Tamerlan I 1 July 2016 14: 33
        -1
        In all other respects, as I understand it, you agree with me.
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  37. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 July 2016 11: 02
    +3
    Quote: Victor1
    Instead of developing our agricultural sector, and other import substitution, for all Putin-Medvedev and other Siluvanov-Ulyukaevs, it is better to buy everything in the west and withdraw our funds abroad, rather than put into circulation inside the country.

    For a moment, we are doing a hypothetical rollback in history - 2014year, there is no Crimea, Donbas, no downed SU, no sanctions. No one even thinks about import substitution, the development of domestic agricultural production, tomatoes from abroad on the shelves, people go to Turkey ... Remember that time? Meanwhile, there are fascists in Ukraine, there is a Maidan, in Syria, which year of war and the terrorists are not hiding ... Did everyone have full pants of happiness?
    What did you write about then? Browse through your comments.
  38. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 1 July 2016 11: 33
    0
    Maybe those who know will devote. It seems to me that a formal apology should go through the Foreign Ministry and the Turkish Ambassador in writing! How is things in reality?
  39. cergey51046
    cergey51046 1 July 2016 12: 17
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    I wouldn’t sit next to him like that.
  40. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 July 2016 13: 19
    +3
    ..Russia will not abolish the visa regime for Turkish citizens. Moreover, the Russian Foreign Ministry will not withdraw recommendations for Russian tourists not to visit Turkish cities. The fact that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan apologized for the Russian bomber shot down by a Turkish fighter does not cancel the need for a guarantee of security for Russians coming to Turkey. This was reported to "Izvestia" by a high-ranking source in political circles.

    Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/620279#ixzz4D9PGr7zq
    Time is running. The situation is clearing up.
  41. Brigadier
    Brigadier 1 July 2016 13: 33
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    Quote: erased
    Our pilots and marines who died in Syria are forgotten. A downed plane and helicopter are forgotten. Victims of the Boeing attack flying from Egypt. It is forgotten that Turkey and Erdogan personally watered the Russians. And his support for Ukraine. Everything is forgotten for the sake of profit.
    Russians are offered to betray their dead, to sell honor and conscience for a tour of the resort. And delete from memory the rhetoric in the Russian media over the past six months.
    Here it is - a new policy of the authorities.
    Only if again something explodes and falls from the sky, no one else will believe and listen to the angry denunciation of the Kremlin. More on shouts "wolf" will not respond ...

    I fully support this comment! With this rate of surrender of our positions in exchange for vague "repentance" of our enemies, we will go far ... This is a precedent! Our planes will continue to be shot down, because there is already a precedent, and those who will kill our guys again will know for sure that if they only make a hint of an apology and the Russian authorities will forget everything! We will only wave our fists and rage for the sake of order, but then we will forgive anyway, because it is FAVORABLE at the top. As for the lives of our dead military men, who is interested in them, except their families, to give a medal to their family and forget. The main thing is tomatoes! Ugh! Disgusting! angry
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 14: 11
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      Quote: Brigadier
      I fully support this comment! With such a rate of surrender of our positions in exchange for vague "repentance" of our enemies, we will go far ...

      specially for "Putin leaked everyone, sold everything"
      Russia will not abolish the visa regime for Turkish citizens. Moreover, the Russian Foreign Ministry will not withdraw recommendations for Russian tourists not to visit Turkish cities. The fact that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan apologized for the Russian bomber shot down by a Turkish fighter does not eliminate the need for security guarantees for Russians coming to Turkey. This was reported to "Izvestia" by a high-ranking source in political circles.

      On June 30, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree abolishing economic restrictions on Turkey and instructed the government to take measures to restore charter air traffic between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey.

      - This is the process of resuming joint work on international and regional issues. The actions of the Turkish leadership of the last two days created the prerequisites in order to turn the crisis page of our relations, ”the source of Izvestia said. - However, Turkey needs to carry out serious work to ensure security for those arriving in the country, especially in connection with the latest tragic events in Istanbul.
      For the first time in seven months, Vladimir Putin and Recep Erdogan had a telephone conversation after an incident in the Syrian sky. Already on July 1, Sochi will meet the foreign ministers of the two countries. The leaders of the Russian Federation and Turkey also agreed on a personal meeting in the coming months.

      The sharp intensification of the dialogue between Moscow and Ankara began on June 27, when the Kremlin received a message from Erdogan in which he expressed sympathy for the relatives of the deceased pilot of the downed Su-24 and assured that Turkey had unintentionally destroyed the Russian plane.

      The normalization of relations between the two countries coincided with the tragic event in Istanbul - as a result of the terrorist attack in the international terminal of the Istanbul airport, 43 people were killed and more than 200 were injured.

      According to the source, the resumption of the dialogue between Moscow and Ankara will favorably affect the resolution of the problems on the international agenda, in particular, it is a fight against the ISIS terrorist group (banned in the Russian Federation), as well as a Syrian settlement.

      Given the tense situation in the Middle East, all parties interested in resolving conflicts will benefit from the normalization of relations.

      Now Russia can lay claim to a more open dialogue on controversial issues in Syria, in particular, tensions remain over the participation of Kurds in inter-Syrian negotiations
  42. Lukich
    Lukich 1 July 2016 14: 12
    0
    extension
    However, another Izvestia source, close to the International Syria Support Group (MGPS), believes that a fundamentally new relationship between Moscow and Ankara on the issue of terrorism will not happen, because behind the closed doors during negotiations Russia has repeatedly made complaints about the Turkish leadership’s connection with militants. In particular, according to a senior source, Moscow expressed extreme dissatisfaction with the illegal oil trade between ISIS and Ankara.

    - We are preparing to bargain with Turkey, and this is the usual format for the Turks and not very comfortable for Russia and other partners of Ankara. For us, of course, political dialogue is important, but we should not expect any breakthrough. Turks will defend their interests, I hope, and Russia will not give up its positions either, ”said Pavel Shlykov, senior lecturer at the Department of History of the Near and Middle East of ISAA MSU. - Regarding recriminations, politics is a cynical thing. Market changes are occurring, politicians are adjusting to them, so that here it will be possible to forget some accusations. However, the specifics of the eastern country still presuppose a long memory for such things.



    Read more: http://izvestia.ru/news/620279#ixzz4D9dnkxCK
  43. kamradserg
    kamradserg 1 July 2016 17: 35
    0
    What does “unexpectedly hasty acceptance of an apology” mean? Putin that should have broken like a virgin girl or like Erdogan? Initially, it was said - we will talk after an apology. Putin is keeping his word, that's all.
    You should not participate in the escalation of anti-Putin hysteria.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 1 July 2016 20: 38
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      No one should break! But Erdogan’s reassurance that nothing strange happens to people, if in explosions at airports. It’s not clear, why not to Egypt, I don’t see the difference where they will explode in an airplane or in the arrivals lounge request
  44. konvalval
    konvalval 1 July 2016 20: 18
    +1
    "Do not believe three: a woman who does not drink and a Turk" (Peter the First). "Especially Erdogan" (I).
  45. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 2 July 2016 00: 40
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    Well, let's hope that everything works out and everything will be decided wisely