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Five famous Soviet ships

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LIGHT KIROV CRUISER




Getting ready to design for fleet a series of light cruisers, Soviet designers carefully studied the Italian experience in this area. They chose Raimondo Montecuccoli as the initial sample, and also bought from Ansaldo a full package of technical documentation on the mechanisms of the cruiser Eugenio di Savoy. Initially, the ship was planned to be armed with six 180-mm main-caliber guns with their placement in three two-gun towers, but in 1934 a rather bold idea was born to install three guns in the available dimensions. The disadvantages of this solution include the location of all the trunks in one cradle, that is, with a single vertical guidance drive, so one successful hit by an enemy projectile could damage the entire tower at the same time. However, the ability to increase by 50% the number of trunks of the main caliber still outweighed.
Construction began on July 11 1934, and on August 7, 1937, the ship made its first voyage. September 28 1938 Commission chaired by the captain 2 rank D.D. Valley signed the acceptance certificate.
During the Soviet-Finnish war "Kirov", based on Liepaja, went to sea to attack the coastal battery of the enemy on the island Russara.
The Great Patriotic War cruiser met on the roads of Riga. In the course of the defense of Tallinn from 22 to 27 in August, 1941 of the year conducted 36 firing at enemy troop concentrations.
During the Tallinn crossing, the Kirov was the flagship of the main forces. On board were the evacuees of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet Military Council and members of the Estonian government.
Since August 30, the cruiser repeatedly fired at German troops rushing towards Leningrad. Aviation the enemy repeatedly bombed the Kirov, but, despite periodically seeking hits, it was not able to sink the ship. February 27, 1943 the cruiser "Kirov" was awarded the Order of the Red Banner.
In addition to the "Kirov" in the Black Sea Fleet was built on the same project "Voroshilov".

THE ESSENTIAL "GREEKING"

Five famous Soviet ships


In the second floor. 1930-s in the USSR, developed under the leadership of Vladimir Nikitin and Pavel Trakhtenberg "Project 7" built 28 of the same type destroyers of the destroyers. The ships differed in powerful armament from four 130-mm guns of the main caliber and two three-tube torpedo tubes.
The most famous in the series was built at the Leningrad plant number 190 "Gremyaschy". He entered into service 28 August 1939 of the year, and in September he headed north along the White Sea-Baltic Canal. 8 November 1939, the ship arrived in Polar and was incorporated into the Northern Fleet.
During the Soviet-Finnish war, “Thunderer” carried out patrol and convoy service and did not participate directly in hostilities.
With the outbreak of World War II, the destroyer moved to Vaenga, and on June 24 set off on his first military campaign, guarding the Tsiolkovsky and Mossovet transports on the transition from Murmansk to Titovka.



On the night of 24 on 25 in November 1941 of the year, along with the same type of “Loud” and the British light cruiser “Kenya”, “Thunderman” participated in the shelling of the Norwegian port of Vardø, according to which 89 shells of the main caliber were fired.
29 March 1942 of the year, being in the guard of the convoy PQ-13, "Thundering" and the same type "Smashing" took part in repelling the attack of German destroyers.
1 March 1943, the ship assigned the rank of Guards. In the future, the command continued to use the “Thundering” mainly for the protection of convoys. In addition, in 1944, the ship participated in two raid operations: in the Motovsky Bay (October 9) and the shelling of the port of Vardø (October 26). 14 December 1944 was heavily worn out by the continuous combat service, the ship was put to overhaul at the plant number 402 in Molotovsk, after which it served until the 1954, he served as part of the White Sea military flotilla. Already as an experienced vessel, he took part in nuclear tests, after which he was submerged in Chernyaya Bay on Novaya Zemlya.
WATCHDAY SHIP "LIFTABLE"



At present, "Sharp-witted" is the only remaining ship in the system of the "Project 61", which fell to play a prominent role in the era of the "cold war". The development of the project, which began in the 1950s, was primarily associated with the appearance of sea-based nuclear missiles, which turned submarines into strategic weapon. As a countermeasure, they began to create new missile weapons intended for the destruction of enemy submarines, and by the beginning of the 1960-s, special-purpose ships, a new class, which was named in the USSR by the name of the Large Anti-Submarine Ship.
The fact is that sea-based nuclear missiles of the NATO fleets that were in service at that time did not differ in long range, forcing submarines to approach the enemy’s borders almost immediately before launch. Therefore, the creation of echeloned anti-submarine barriers became an effective countermeasure. It was assumed that in the far zone enemy submarines would be intercepted by helicopter carriers and basic anti-submarine aircraft, and in the near zone by large anti-submarine ships.
The gas turbine version was preferred as a power plant, to the positive sides of which the lower specific gravity and quick start (5 – 10 minutes) from the cold state should be attributed. It is for the melodious whistle of gas turbines BOD "Project 61" in the navy called "singing frigates." Given that the ships were to operate even in the conditions of the use of weapons of mass destruction by the enemy, the design of the hull and superstructures made it possible to conduct military operations without the presence of personnel on the upper deck and bridges. The armament consisted of two anti-aircraft missile systems, two twin 76-mm turret artillery mounts, a five-pipe torpedo tube, two jet bombers and an anti-submarine helicopter.
At the time of the construction of the BNC "Project 61" in their combat capabilities were almost equivalent to their modern American missile-carrying destroyers. For several decades, repeatedly undergoing modernization, they served on all oceans, ensuring strategic parity. Gradually, however, ships of this type, beginning with the 1990-ies, began to withdraw from the fleet. A different fate has fallen to the “Sharp-witted” year, which was transferred to the class of patrol ships in 1992. And now he continues to carry out military service as part of the Black Sea Fleet, performing tasks including off the coast of Syria.
ROCKET CRUISER "MOSCOW" (FORMER "SLAVA")



The starting date for the 1164 Project is considered to be the 1972 year, when they formulated the tactical and technical requirements for new missile cruisers designed to give the fleet forces in distant naval theaters combat stability and to destroy the enemy's large surface ships. The chief designer appointed director of the Northern OKB Alexander Perkov. It was assumed that each ship would carry 12 launchers of Basalt anti-ship missiles, C-300F and Osa anti-aircraft missiles, 100 and 30 mm artillery mounts, as well as two five-pipe torpedo tubes.
Originally planned to build ten ships of this type, but later the order was reduced to six units. As a result, only four cruisers were laid, and three were added. The head has become commissioned in the 1983 year, "Glory." In 1989, the ship took part in providing a meeting between General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Mikhail Gorbachev and US President George W. Bush, and in 1990, the Yalta International Conference on Nuclear Weapons Control was held on board.
The new name "Moscow" ship received 16 May 1996 year after the cancellation of the obsolete anti-submarine cruiser named after the capital.
From 9 to 12 in August, 2008 of the year participated in an armed conflict with Georgia, fulfilling the tasks of ensuring the actions of the Russian group. From 30 September 2015 of the Year “Moscow” heads the permanent operational connection of the Russian Navy, which covers the actions of the Russian air force in Syria.
Small rocket ship "BORA"



The small Bora hovercraft, launched in 1997, was the largest catamaran with an aerostatic airbag in the world shipbuilding practice. It is designed to destroy enemy warships and transports, to provide cover for high-speed amphibious formations and convoys, as well as to conduct reconnaissance and patrol service in the operational zone of our forces.
It was the synthesis of the catamaran and the airbag that made it possible to combine two practically mutually exclusive characteristics in the construction of one ship: the installation of powerful weapons and the provision of high-speed full speed. As a result, eight Mosquito anti-ship missiles were able to be placed on a relatively small platform, and the speed reaches 55 nodes (101,9 km / h).
At present, the Bora and the Samum of the same type that are part of the Black Sea Fleet continue to be unique ships that have no analogues in the world.
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  1. Lester7777
    Lester7777 2 July 2016 06: 59
    +18
    The last of the singers. I really hope that there will be a decision to keep the "Sharp-witted" as a museum ship.
  2. Serg65
    Serg65 2 July 2016 07: 26
    +25
    The article was a plus, but there are a lot of questions to the author .... about the "Thundering" I have no questions, WORTHY SHIP! "Kirov" is the first Soviet cruiser, on everyone's lips ... famous. The blue cruiser "Tashkent", "Krasny Kavkaz", "Marty", "Fog" I think they are no less famous? What is "Sharp-witted" famous for? Probably just that the last "Singing Frigate"? Really "Selfless", BOD "Krasny Kavkaz", "Grozny", "Moscow" are less famous than "Sharp-witted" and "Bora". It is not their fault that the offspring do not know these ships and that they are not on the radar now!
    1. sub307
      sub307 2 July 2016 09: 44
      +4
      Also put a plus, but I agree with you, a very "strange" kind of "rating" turned out. There were also more "famous" ships in relation to the TFR "Smktlivy" and MRC "Bora". Already the famous cruiser "Aurora" is already famous ...
      In general, the impression is that the author didn’t really dig the topic before “squeezing” the article.
    2. ZIS
      ZIS 2 July 2016 22: 23
      +1
      Blue cruiser "Tashkent"
      The leader of the destroyers "Tashkent", but the Italians were building, and then I realized they were considering a domestic building.
      1. Hog
        Hog 3 July 2016 20: 57
        0
        Tashkent had the nickname "Blue Cruiser".
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 2 July 2016 07: 51
    +5
    In principle, not a bad article, but again a rating, to the taste of the author ..
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 2 July 2016 09: 13
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      but again rating, to the taste of the author ..

      That's just it, that the "fame" of the ships listed in the article is far-fetched. And the information about the ships is extremely sparse and allows you to judge them very limited.
  4. Titsen
    Titsen 2 July 2016 08: 49
    +8
    An article from the category - "Just to write about something" ...

    Those. about nothing!
  5. demiurg
    demiurg 2 July 2016 10: 11
    +1
    And mosquitoes and 205, 1134 in the end, are Albatrosses. And this has not yet reached the submarines.
  6. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2016 10: 24
    +11
    And I put a minus in the article. And not because of the article itself, but because of a far-fetched rating.
    What is the celebrity? And what does “Soviet ships”, built in the USSR or in service with the USSR Navy, mean?
    If built, then "Tashkent", "Krasny Kavkaz" and a number of others, in particular "Aurora" are not suitable. If the former are in service - another matter. But the rating did not include, for example, Project 58 cruisers, and these were the first Soviet missile cruisers. The cruisers of project 68 bis, destroyers of project 30 bis, projects 56-57, TFR of project 50 and many others, in particular the pre-war TFRs, were not included in the rating. It is not clear what this rating is based on, on what criteria. therefore MINUS
    1. ZIS
      ZIS 2 July 2016 22: 26
      +2
      An article about the top five, and if we recall everyone by name, then the submariners have the right to insert their five cents, finally forgotten.
  7. Kenneth
    Kenneth 2 July 2016 10: 33
    +2
    If you take at least some harm done to the adversary, then far ahead are submarines. But it seems to the author that these are not ships.
  8. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 13: 58
    -3
    Quote: Serg65
    The article was a plus, but there are a lot of questions to the author .... about the "Thundering" I have no questions, WORTHY SHIP! "Kirov" is the first Soviet cruiser, on everyone's lips ... famous. The blue cruiser "Tashkent", "Krasny Kavkaz", "Marty", "Fog" I think they are no less famous? What is "Sharp-witted" famous for? Probably just that the last "Singing Frigate"? Really "Selfless", BOD "Krasny Kavkaz", "Grozny", "Moscow" are less famous than "Sharp-witted" and "Bora". It is not their fault that the offspring do not know these ships and that they are not on the radar now!

    Tin! Why remind me how many ships, starting from takrov, have also gone to brothels? !!! Calm retirement, and the Power sideways!
  9. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 14: 00
    +1
    Quote: Kenneth
    If you take at least some harm done to the adversary, then far ahead are submarines. But it seems to the author that these are not ships.

    I don’t argue and google, but it seems like the katerniki were picking more !!! winked
  10. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 14: 08
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    And I put a minus in the article. And not because of the article itself, but because of a far-fetched rating.
    What is the celebrity? And what does “Soviet ships”, built in the USSR or in service with the USSR Navy, mean?
    If built, then "Tashkent", "Krasny Kavkaz" and a number of others, in particular "Aurora" are not suitable. If the former are in service - another matter. But the rating did not include, for example, Project 58 cruisers, and these were the first Soviet missile cruisers. The cruisers of project 68 bis, destroyers of project 30 bis, projects 56-57, TFR of project 50 and many others, in particular the pre-war TFRs, were not included in the rating. It is not clear what this rating is based on, on what criteria. therefore MINUS

    My father served on the Kirov cruiser (I never heard that it was a LIGHT cruiser). apparently. the author has googled and dashed off the article!
    SKRy, yoshkin cat ... in the 88th year, the summer arrived at the 10th opsk and went crazy with the power of the Pacific Fleet! Without irony, in Tihasa they were standing, on 3 piers, not counting the BOD and the Frunze tkr, which was bogged down by the "admirals"!
    After 3-5 years, he was crazy about the power of the "admirals"! angry
    1. Lester7777
      Lester7777 2 July 2016 14: 31
      0
      To Tihas, and to the Pacific.
      1. ZIS
        ZIS 2 July 2016 22: 37
        -1
        Perhaps the "Kirov" was a rival to the German "pocket battleships"?
  11. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 14: 34
    +4
    Quote: Lester7777
    To Tihas, and to the Pacific.

    Young, TIkhas, is a Pacific village (Shkotovo-17), now Fokino! wink
    1. Lester7777
      Lester7777 2 July 2016 14: 43
      0
      Thank you, young man. I had to be there.
  12. Lester7777
    Lester7777 2 July 2016 14: 38
    +6
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    LIGHT KIROV CRUISER

    New in the history of the Russian fleet. And since when did the Kirov cease to be a light cruiser?
  13. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 14: 42
    0
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    .... After 3-5 years, he was crazy about the power of the "admirals"! angry

    "Admiral" minus ?! belay And the anchor, you, in "pleasure" !!! It is a pity that the boatswain went for beer, he is more tolerant! laughing
  14. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 14: 50
    +1
    Quote: Lester7777
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    LIGHT KIROV CRUISER

    New in the history of the Russian fleet. And since when did the Kirov cease to be a light cruiser?

    "A light cruiser is a combat surface ship, subclass of cruisers, which appeared at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, a product of the evolution of armored cruisers under the influence of the experience of the Russian-Japanese war. Light cruisers were relatively large (in comparison with destroyers, mine cruisers and gunboats) specialized artillery ships with developed armor protection, were armed mainly medium caliber artillery."(from) Wiki.

    "The weapons of the cruiser were nine 180-mm B-1-P guns in three MK-3-180 towers located in the diametrical plane (bow one above the other), six 100-mm B-34BM universal guns in deck installations, six 45-mm semi-automatic anti-aircraft guns, four 12,7-mm DShK machine guns, two three-tube torpedo tubes 39-U caliber 533 mm, two KOR-1 reconnaissance seaplanes with a Henkel-type catapult, 164 anchor mines of the 1912 model year or 100 anchor mines KB-1, 2 bombs BMB-1 with ammunition in 20 large and 30 small depth charges. "(c) from the same place !!!
    I don’t want to argue! wassat
    1. Lester7777
      Lester7777 2 July 2016 15: 01
      +5
      And not worth it. The fact that he was armed with 180-mm guns in not the most successful turret installations, he did not become a heavy cruiser. At the same time, in terms of displacement, it was even less than some "classmates".
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    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2016 18: 49
      +9
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      I don’t want to argue!

      Well, don't argue, because Kirov is just a light cruiser, and no other.
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      mainly armed with medium caliber artillery.

      Well, first of all, vika is not a source from the word "in general". Secondly, the 180 mm is precisely the medium caliber (the 280-460 mm guns of the battleships were large). Thirdly, the definition of a wiki is completely incorrect, since heavy cruisers with their 203mm artillery also fall under it. Fourthly, each country independently determines the belonging of its warships to one class or another. Our heavy cruisers were supposed to be "Kronstadts" with 305th artillery. Fifth, the global classification of cruisers does not exist now and did not exist during the years of the Kirovs' design and construction. Sixth - "Kirov" was created for the tasks of a light cruiser, neither the designers nor the fleet ever set it the task of an artillery fight with a heavy cruiser (perhaps within the framework of a concentrated strike, but this is completely different). And, finally, seventh - the idea that the Kirov should be considered not a light, but a heavy cruiser come from the London Naval Treaty, in which the signatory countries (the USSR did not sign) decided to consider a cruiser with 152-mm art as light, and over 152 mm and up to 203 mm inclusive - heavy.
      Well, many "truth seekers" (I'm not reproaching you, but people who claim to be historians) hastened to declare Kirov a heavy cruiser.
      But at the same time, for some reason everyone forgot in chorus that, according to that agreement, ANY warship over 10 thousand tons of standard displacement and not being an aircraft carrier was considered a "capital ship", i.e. battleship :)))) In other words - if we strictly follow the canon of the Second London Maritime Agreement, then yes - "Kirov" should be considered a heavy cruiser. And the overwhelming majority of heavy cruisers ("Hipper", "Meco", all American cruisers starting with "Portlands", "Zara" and so on, etc.) all ships whose standard displacement climbed over 10 thousand tons should be transferred to the category of battleships :))))
  15. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 15: 05
    -3
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    .... After 3-5 years, he was crazy about the power of the "admirals"! angry

    "Admiral" minus ?! belay And the anchor, you, in "pleasure" !!! It is a pity that the boatswain went for beer, he is more tolerant! laughing

    The boatswain came, - significant interdeck! laughing "admiral", grab the rail! laughing
    1. Lester7777
      Lester7777 2 July 2016 15: 07
      0
      The most curious case of a split personality.
  16. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 15: 08
    +1
    Quote: Lester7777
    And not worth it. The fact that he was armed with 180-mm guns in not the most successful turret installations, he did not become a heavy cruiser. At the same time, in terms of displacement, it was even less than some "classmates".

    The boatswain advises - do not argue with the "naval commander". better for a beer! lol
    1. Lester7777
      Lester7777 2 July 2016 15: 21
      0
      It goes without saying, Vlad has a day today, 156 knocked.
  17. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 15: 16
    0
    Quote: Lester7777
    The most curious case of a split personality.

    It is difficult to argue when the interlocutor, except the Internet, is unaware of the existence of friends! laughing Virtually live, degrade! recourse Better, envy the good, - on vacation! fellow
    1. Lester7777
      Lester7777 2 July 2016 15: 19
      +1
      I envy, already walked away. Not long this year, the country needs ships.
  18. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 15: 38
    -3
    Quote: Lester7777
    It goes without saying, Vlad has a day today, 156 knocked.

    I don’t know why, but I never liked Vladivostok. Even, lieutenant, young years are not particularly remembered, ebony times, maybe that's why! belay
  19. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 15: 55
    -3
    Quote: sub307
    Also put a plus, but I agree with you, a very "strange" kind of "rating" turned out. There were also more "famous" ships in relation to the TFR "Smktlivy" and MRC "Bora". Already the famous cruiser "Aurora" is already famous ...
    In general, the impression is that the author didn’t really dig the topic before “squeezing” the article.

    As if the kr "Aurora" did not show itself in combat conditions, during the Russian-Japanese war!
    Simple - a monument of time! winked
    About the military affairs of the fleet, in those days, enough archived data! Do not believe the food baler!
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2016 18: 56
      +4
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      As if, the kr "Aurora" did not show itself in combat conditions, during the Russian-Japanese

      Those. the fact that two Russian cruisers (Oleg and Aurora) successfully repelled the attacks of about 12 Japanese cruisers in Tsushima and did not let those to the transports "did not show itself in anything"? Well, bravo, what else to say.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 3 July 2016 00: 34
        +8
        My grandfather, a conductor from "Oleg", 1910, after arriving from the Philippines, a cross for Tsushima. Thank you, Andrey, for your kind word.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 July 2016 10: 43
          +3
          And thank you for the excellent photo. I love old photos very much hi
  20. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 16: 14
    -5
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    Quote: Lester7777
    It goes without saying, Vlad has a day today, 156 knocked.

    I don’t know why, but I never liked Vladivostok. Even, lieutenant, young years are not particularly remembered, ebony times, maybe that's why! belay

    Shkolota does not know ebony times, so the anchor to you in the subject! laughing
  21. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 16: 17
    -2
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    Quote: sub307
    Also put a plus, but I agree with you, a very "strange" kind of "rating" turned out. There were also more "famous" ships in relation to the TFR "Smktlivy" and MRC "Bora". Already the famous cruiser "Aurora" is already famous ...
    In general, the impression is that the author didn’t really dig the topic before “squeezing” the article.

    As if the kr "Aurora" did not show itself in combat conditions, during the Russian-Japanese war!
    Simple - a monument of time! winked
    About the military affairs of the fleet, in those days, enough archived data! Do not believe the food baler!

    offended by the battalors, let’s take it! wassat
  22. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 16: 26
    -6
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    Quote: Lester7777
    To Tihas, and to the Pacific.

    Young, TIkhas, is a Pacific village (Shkotovo-17), now Fokino! wink

    Interestingly, what is negative here ???! repeat
    Hey stupid minusoid, you, by chance, are not a mutant from the Danube ???! laughing
  23. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 16: 37
    0
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    Quote: Old26
    And I put a minus in the article. And not because of the article itself, but because of a far-fetched rating.
    What is the celebrity? And what does “Soviet ships”, built in the USSR or in service with the USSR Navy, mean?
    If built, then "Tashkent", "Krasny Kavkaz" and a number of others, in particular "Aurora" are not suitable. If the former are in service - another matter. But the rating did not include, for example, Project 58 cruisers, and these were the first Soviet missile cruisers. The cruisers of project 68 bis, destroyers of project 30 bis, projects 56-57, TFR of project 50 and many others, in particular the pre-war TFRs, were not included in the rating. It is not clear what this rating is based on, on what criteria. therefore MINUS

    My father served on the Kirov cruiser (I never heard that it was a LIGHT cruiser). apparently. the author has googled and dashed off the article!
    SKRy, yoshkin cat ... in the 88th year, the summer arrived at the 10th opsk and went crazy with the power of the Pacific Fleet! Without irony, in Tihasa they were standing, on 3 piers, not counting the BOD and the Frunze tkr, which was bogged down by the "admirals"!
    After 3-5 years, he was crazy about the power of the "admirals"! angry

    Interesting thing, LIFE! belay
    In the 88th year, at the Pacific Fleet there were TWO full-fledged AUGs !!! To someone, these memories are like an offshore account! wassat
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2016 19: 00
      +2
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      In the 88 year, at the Pacific Fleet there were TWO full-fledged AUGs !!!

      Without aircraft carriers? :))) "Minsk" with "Novorossiysk" ships are serious, but never strike aircraft carriers :)
      In general, if you do not find fault, then you are certainly right. Iehhh ...
  24. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2016 17: 21
    +6
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    As if the kr "Aurora" did not show itself in combat conditions, during the Russian-Japanese war! Simply - a monument of time!

    The fact that he participated in the Battle of Tsushima, plus participation in the First World War, suggests that the ship deserved to be in such a rating if the rating was normal. But what is Bora famous for besides its speed?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2016 19: 01
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      The fact that he participated in the battle of Tsushima, plus participation in the First World War, suggests that the ship deserved to be in such a rating,

      Yet - no, because the author clearly meant only Soviet-built ships, which "Aurora" is not
  25. Kenneth
    Kenneth 2 July 2016 20: 07
    +1
    By the way, in a conversation about Aurora, I remembered that Aurora fought with a superior opponent, receiving much more hits and damage than the Varangian, who returned to base.
  26. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2016 20: 15
    +1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Yet - no, because the author clearly meant only Soviet-built ships, which "Aurora" is not

    I wrote that too. That neither Tashkent, nor Krasny Kavkaz, nor Aurora is suitable (by the way, I was not the first to mention Aurora). And what is the rating criterion - I still do not understand
  27. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 21: 16
    -1
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    As if the kr "Aurora" did not show itself in combat conditions, during the Russian-Japanese war! Simply - a monument of time!

    The fact that he participated in the Battle of Tsushima, plus participation in the First World War, suggests that the ship deserved to be in such a rating if the rating was normal. But what is Bora famous for besides its speed?

    You would at least read about participating in Tsushima, but there are combat reports and maps! The combat mission was completed ???! NOT
    To intern, a lot of courage and honor is not necessary !!!

    Quote: Kenneth
    By the way, in a conversation about Aurora, I remembered that Aurora fought with a superior opponent, receiving much more hits and damage than the Varangian, who returned to base.

    This is generally nonsense!

    It seems that in this thread, some political leaders !!! wassat
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2016 21: 37
      +3
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      You would at least read about participating in Tsushima, but there are combat reports and maps! The combat mission was completed ???! NOT

      Here from this place in more detail, please. What kind of combat mission did not fulfill the detachment of Admiral Enquist in the battle of Tsushima? :)))))
  28. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 21: 39
    -3
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    You would at least read about participating in Tsushima, but there are combat reports and maps! The combat mission was completed ???! NOT

    Here from this place in more detail, please. What kind of combat mission did not fulfill the detachment of Admiral Enquist in the battle of Tsushima? :)))))

    Stepan Osipovich will answer you!

    "Victory can only be called the destruction of the enemy, and therefore the destroyed ships must be finished off, sinking them or forcing" to surrender. To knock down a ship means to do one hundredth of the work. Real trophies are taken or destroyed ships. "(C)
    Admiral S.O. Makarov.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 July 2016 22: 05
      +3
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      Stepan Osipovich will answer you!

      Just like that! You give some statement, but should Stepan Osipovich pout and prove it for you? laughing
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      Victory can only be called the destruction of the enemy

      Was the cruiser "Aurora" tasked with defeating someone? Could you clarify who exactly: the entire Japanese fleet, or was it enough just to defeat the armored detachments of Togo and Kamimura? :)))
      Dear Cosmonaut, the Enquist cruisers were assigned the combat mission of protecting transports. Moreover, the main burden of the confrontation with the Japanese armored decks fell on Oleg and Aurora, and they performed this task perfectly, repelling numerous Japanese attacks.
  29. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2016 21: 48
    +2
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    You would at least read about participating in Tsushima, but there are combat reports and maps! The combat mission was completed ???! NOT
    To intern, a lot of courage and honor is not necessary !!!

    Does this cancel the fact of the cruiser’s participation in the hostilities? And how many of the ships of the 2nd squadron completed the combat mission? And what, the cruiser or its crew is to blame for the internment?


    Quote: Cosmonaut
    It seems that in this thread, some political leaders !!!

    Are you always so categorical in your conclusions? People may not know something, they may be mistaken. If you’re wrong, tell them how it really was.
    But in principle, we are not talking about any particular fight of the Aurora. The question is that the rating is "none". And the "Aurora" is still a rather famous ship, if only because it was in combat formation for 45 years.
  30. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 21: 52
    -1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    In the 88 year, at the Pacific Fleet there were TWO full-fledged AUGs !!!

    Without aircraft carriers? :))) "Minsk" with "Novorossiysk" ships are serious, but never strike aircraft carriers :)
    In general, if you do not find fault, then you are certainly right. Iehhh ...

    Besides aviation (to be honest, not very much, except for turntables), there was also a "Basalt" on the takrs! wink
  31. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 21: 54
    -4
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    You would at least read about participating in Tsushima, but there are combat reports and maps! The combat mission was completed ???! NOT
    To intern, a lot of courage and honor is not necessary !!!

    Does this cancel the fact of the cruiser’s participation in the hostilities? And how many of the ships of the 2nd squadron completed the combat mission? And what, the cruiser or its crew is to blame for the internment?


    Quote: Cosmonaut
    It seems that in this thread, some political leaders !!!

    Are you always so categorical in your conclusions? People may not know something, they may be mistaken. If you’re wrong, tell them how it really was.
    But in principle, we are not talking about any particular fight of the Aurora. The question is that the rating is "none". And the "Aurora" is still a rather famous ship, if only because it was in combat formation for 45 years.

    Dear, re-read your post !!! They wrote a lot and nothing, it's about categorical! laughing
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 July 2016 22: 10
      +2
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      Darling, re-read your post !!!

      “Would you ... this ... more polite or something ...
      - my minus. For "darling" yes
  32. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 22: 17
    -7
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    Darling, re-read your post !!!

    “Would you ... this ... more polite or something ...
    - my minus. For "darling" yes

    Thank you BRO! wink
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    In vain, I registered on this site!
    I will grow up to an ordinary (or minus-ordinary) and abandon !!!
    It seems that most of the "marshals" here do not express their opinion!
    For a beginner like me, this is noticeable !!!
    PS. to speed up the process, I advise - buy a broom, rake, put the computer in the pantry and work in the fresh air in your yard !!!
    shl. about "Marshal's" Friday - no need to be offended, it's true! I do not agree, - answer, do not shit because of incontinence !!! winked
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 2 July 2016 22: 19
      +2
      I, too, not mine, but paid from above? Or all the same?
  33. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 2 July 2016 22: 25
    -4
    Quote: Ruslan67
    I, too, not mine, but paid from above? Or all the same?

    The answer is given above! wink But, for you, I will expand - "Or is it all the same?" (C) (+ goodbye, remnants of reputation wassat )
    Stew in your own juice, "strategists"! wink
    Good luck in real life! smile
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 2 July 2016 22: 26
      +1
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      Stew in your own juice, "strategists"!

      Minus private is already there fellow Good luck !? what laughing
  34. Old26
    Old26 2 July 2016 22: 30
    +3
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    They wrote a lot and nothing, it's about categorical!

    I wrote just "what", but you immediately began to get personal. And if someone disagrees with you for any reason, then you immediately enroll in the political officer. This is categorical.

    Quote: Cosmonaut
    In vain, I registered on this site!
    I will grow up to an ordinary (or minus-ordinary) and abandon !!!
    It seems that most of the "marshals" here do not express their opinion!
    For a beginner like me, this is noticeable !!!

    It's your right. And about noticeably ... When I registered on the site, I noticed something completely different. Lack of knowledge on the topic and sometimes too "hurray-patriotic" attitude, and not that someone does not express his opinion.
  35. 25ru
    25ru 3 July 2016 06: 20
    0
    Rating, frankly, mmm ... specific. What are the criteria?
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    "Victory can only be called the destruction of the enemy, and therefore the destroyed ships must be finished off, sinking them or forcing" to surrender. To knock down a ship means to do one hundredth of the work. Real trophies are taken or destroyed ships. "(C)
    Admiral S.O. Makarov.

    So, according to his primer, the Japanese did: the second TO squadron: 4 - surrendered, three - interned, 3 - broke into Vladivostok.
  36. excomandante
    excomandante 28 September 2016 05: 16
    0
    And where is "about the big battleship" Marat "?!
  37. BAI
    BAI 11 November 2016 10: 06
    0
    The choice is strange. Without "Tashkent", "Red Caucasus", "Marat". Finally, without Sibiryakov! And not a single submarine!
  38. Cannonball
    Cannonball 4 December 2016 20: 16
    +1
    Where are the submarines? Where are aircraft carriers, battleships?