Military Review

Northern Bear vs Chinese Dragon

198
Northern Bear vs Chinese Dragon



Once I saw recently in the vast soc. Network article about the PLA, and their plans, that here, they say, they want to seize the Russian Far East. Here is the article itself:
China vs Russia. Victory will not be ours

The question is not whether China will attack Russia, but when. The author, deputy director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis, believes that if large-scale military aggression in the “classical” form is ever committed against Russia, then with probability 95% (if not 99,99%), China will be the aggressor.

The colossal overpopulation of this country, combined with its rapid economic growth, creates an extremely complex set of problems, for a very brief description of which a large separate article is required. Moreover, the interconnection of these problems is such that the solution of some aggravates others. China is objectively not viable within its current borders. He must become much larger if he does not want to become much smaller. He cannot do without external expansion to seize resources and territories, this is the reality. You can close your eyes to her, but she will not go anywhere from this. In addition, there is no need to imagine that Southeast Asia will become the main direction of China's expansion. There is quite a bit of territory and resources, with a lot of local population. The opposite situation: there is a lot of territory, huge resources, there is very little population in Kazakhstan and the Asian part of Russia. And this is where China's expansion will go. Moreover, the trans-Ural territories of the Russian Federation in China are considered to be their own. A brief description of the relevant Chinese historical concepts can be devoted to another long article. Only a person who has absolutely no idea what China and the Chinese are can believe that the border problem between the Russian Federation and the PRC has been resolved.

Of course, for China, the peaceful form of expansion (economic and demographic) is preferable. But the military is not excluded. It is extremely significant that in recent years the Chinese army has been conducting exercises that it is simply impossible to interpret as preparations for aggression against Russia, and the scale of the exercises (spatial scale and number of troops involved) is constantly growing.

At the same time, apparently, we still do not realize that we have long lost not only quantitative but also qualitative superiority over China in military equipment. In Soviet times, we had both, and this, as the microwaves behind Damansky showed, compensated for China's tremendous superiority in manpower.

Carl from Clara stole corals

China lived for a very long time by giving it the USSR in the 1950's - the beginning of the 1960's. However, after warming relations with the West, he gained access to some samples of American and European technology, and from the end of the 1980-x began to acquire the latest technology in the USSR, and then in Russia, thanks to this, in many classes, "jumping over" a generation. In addition, China has always had the exceptional ability to steal technology. In 1980, Chinese intelligence even managed to obtain in the United States blueprints of the latest W-88 warhead from a Trident-2 ballistic missile for submarines. And as usual, China steals equipment in large quantities.

For example, nothing is known about the fact that Russia sold the PRC multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) Smerch or, all the more, a license to manufacture them. However, first, the Chinese army appeared the MLRS A-100, very similar to the "Tornado", and then the PHL-03 - its complete copy. The self-propelled artillery installation of the Tour 88 (PLZ-05) is very similar to our "Mstu", which we again did not sell in the PRC. We never sold China a license to manufacture the C-300 anti-aircraft missile system, which did not prevent the Chinese from copying it under the name HQ-9. However, the French, for example, successfully stole the Crotal anti-aircraft missile system, the Exochet anti-ship missile, the M68 shipboard artillery, and so on.

Synthesizing foreign technologies and adding something of their own, the Chinese military-industrial complex begins to create fairly original samples: the Tourn 95 anti-aircraft missile system (PGZ-04), the PLL-05 and PTL-02 self-propelled guns, and the BMP ZBD-05, etc.

Made in China

In general, as has already been said, in almost all classes of conventional weapons, the qualitative superiority of Russia is a thing of the past. In some ways, China even got around us - for example, in drones and in rifle weapons. The Chinese are gradually changing the Kalashnikovs to the latest automatic rifles created according to the bullpup scheme based on both the same AK and Western rifles (FA MAS, L85).

Moreover, although some experts believe that China is technologically dependent on the Russian Federation as its main supplier of weapons (therefore, it cannot attack us), this is a pure myth.

China acquired in Russia only such weapons, which were intended for operations against Taiwan and the United States (while Beijing was seriously planning an operation to seize the island). It is obvious that a sea war between the PRC and the Russian Federation is almost impossible, there is no need for either side or the other. The war will be ground character.

In this regard, it should be noted that China did not acquire any equipment in Russia for its ground forces, since it will be used against Russia in the event of war.

Even in the field of the Air Force, China got rid of its dependence on the Russian Federation. He bought in Russia a limited number of Su-27 fighter jets - in total 76 units, of which 40 is Su-27UB. From such a unique ratio of combat and combat training vehicles, it is quite obvious that Russian-made Su-27 were purchased for flight crew training. Then, as is known, China abandoned the licensed production of Su-27 from Russian components, having built only 105 aircraft from the planned 200. At the same time, he copied this fighter and began its unlicensed production called J-11В with its own engines, weapons and avionics. Moreover, if in China 1960-s copying of the Soviet samples was their deliberate primitivization, then J-11В, judging by the available data, is almost no worse than Su-27.

It may be noted that in recent times, China’s military-technical cooperation with Russia is being curtailed. In part, this can be explained by the fact that the rapidly degrading Russian military industrial complex is no longer able to offer China the weapons and equipment that it needs. Another explanation is that Beijing is seriously considering the possibility of conducting combat operations against the RF Armed Forces in the foreseeable future.

Since the J-11B in its tactical and technical characteristics is approximately equal to the Su-27, and created on the basis of the Israeli “Lavi”, but using Russian and its own technologies, the J-10 is quite comparable to the MiG-29, we have no qualitative superiority in the air . A quantitative superiority will certainly be on the side of China, especially given the almost complete collapse of the Russian air defense system (primarily in the Far East). According to the Su-30, it will be generally overwhelming: China has more than 120, ours - 4. The main drawback of the Chinese aviation - the absence of normal attack aircraft and attack helicopters, but this will not be a big disaster for them, because on land the situation for Russia is even worse.

Mass effect

Best chinese Tanks - Ture 96 and Ture 99 (aka Ture 98G) - practically no worse than our best tanks - T-72B, T-80U, T-90. Actually, they are all “close relatives,” and therefore their characteristics are very close. At the same time, the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry has already announced the actual liquidation of our tank troops. 2000 tanks should remain in all of Russia. China has about the same number of modern tanks now. There are much more numerous (at least 6000) old tanks (from Ture 59 to Ture 80), created on the basis of the T-54. They are quite effective in the fight against infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, as well as to create a "mass effect". It is likely that the PLA command uses these very machines for the first strike. All the same, they will inflict some kind of loss on us, and most importantly, they will divert our anti-tank weapons, after which an exhausted and weakened defense will be hit with the use of already modern technology. By the way, in air, a similar "mass effect" can create old fighters of the J-7 and J-8 types.

That is, according to modern models of armaments, the Armed Forces of Russia and the Chinese Army now have approximate equality (qualitative and quantitative), which confidently (and not very slowly) turns into the advantage of the Chinese army. At the same time, the latter has a huge “overhang” of old, but still quite “good” samples, which are perfect as an “expendable” material to wear out the defense of the Russian troops. Due to the presence of such a unique problem in China as the “shortage of brides”, the loss of several hundred thousand young males for the Chinese leadership seems to be not only a problem, but a blessing. And certainly not the problem of "recycling" in the battle of several thousand units of outdated armored vehicles.

Already, only two of the seven military districts of the Chinese army — the Beijing and Shenyansky, adjacent to the border with Russia — are stronger than all the Russian Armed Forces (from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka). And at the potential theater of military operations (Trans-Baikal and the Far East), the forces of the parties are simply incomparable, China surpasses us not even times, but dozens of times. In this case, the transfer of troops from the west in the event of a real war will be almost impossible, since Chinese saboteurs are guaranteed to cut the Trans-Siberian at once in many places along its length, and we don’t have other communications with the east (we can transport people by air, but not heavy equipment) .

Tanks are not our fast

At the same time, and in combat training, especially in units and formations equipped with the most modern equipment, the Chinese army has long bypassed us. Thus, in the 38 Army of the Beijing Military District, the artillery is fully automated, it is still inferior in accuracy to the American, but already surpassed the Russian. The rate of advance of the 38 Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day).

Accordingly, in an ordinary war we have no chances. Unfortunately, nuclear weapons do not guarantee salvation, because China also has them. Yes, while we have superiority in strategic nuclear forces, but they are rapidly declining. At the same time, we do not have medium-range ballistic missiles, but China does have them, which almost eliminates their lag in intercontinental ballistic missiles (which is also declining). The ratio of tactical nuclear weapons is unknown, only you need to understand that we will have to use it on our own territory. As for the exchange of strategic nuclear forces, the Chinese potential is more than enough to destroy the main cities of European Russia, which they do not need (there are many people and few resources). There are very strong suspicions that, understanding this, the Kremlin will not go for the use of nuclear weapons. Therefore, nuclear deterrence against China is the same myth as its technological dependence on us. Learn Chinese

Neighbors

Of the seven military districts of China, two are the most powerful - with headquarters in Beijing and Shenyang - adjacent to the border with Russia. The first is focused on our Siberian military district, the second - on the Far East. These districts comprise four of the nine tank and six of the nine mechanized divisions, six of the twelve PLA ground forces brigades.

Two more tank divisions and one tank brigade are part of the Lanzhou military district (occupies the western part of the country, is focused on Central Asia, Mongolia and Siberia west of Baikal), and one tank, one mechanized division, two tank and the only PLA mechanized brigades - to the Jingnan VO. The latter is located in the center of the country and is a strategic reserve for the Beijing, Shenyang, Lanzhou and Nanjing districts.

1 October Parade 2009 Military Parade on Tiananmen Square

Military parades of this magnitude just do not hold: and expensive, and secret weapons without a special purpose is not shown. Such parades are a kind of open message. Question: what and to whom?

On the one hand, the newest amphibious light tanks, self-propelled guns, amphibious armored vehicles and anti-ship complexes gave one answer: of course, this is another “final and decisive” warning to Taiwan. But the newest main tanks, heavy self-propelled artillery, volley fire systems, powerful air defense systems, a full range of nuclear missiles - from operational-tactical to intercontinental - this is ours. Like, the second Damanskiy will not.

A simple analysis shows that almost everything that was possible, the Chinese have either bought or stolen from our military-industrial complex. For example, the 300-mm MLRS PHL-03 is a copy of our MLRS Smerch, the HQ-9 SAMs - a copy of the Russian S-300 SAMs, 155-mm SAU PLZ-05 - a copy of our 152-mm SAU "Msta". And many of the samples, in which Soviet roots are visible, even went ahead, so it’s fit for us to steal Chinese technologies.

Main tank Type 99

Further development of the tank Type 98. It features a more powerful 1500-strong turbodiesel, improved armor protection (clearly visible influence of the German Leopard-II), an improved fire control system.

With equal firepower, the latest Chinese tanks are much more power-equipped (HP 1500 diesel engines vs. HP 840 diesel engines from T-90), have better fire control systems, more advanced navigation and are equipped with thermal sights. The tank is equipped with an integrated active protection system JD-3. The sensor detects the laser beam of the enemy’s guidance systems and automatically turns the turret in their direction. The LSDW “laser gun” with a weak-power laser beam determines the exact location of the target, and then switches to maximum power mode, disabling the guidance system or burning out the gunner’s eyes.



Well, how? Smacks of delirium? Feels like REN-TV style? I thought so too, for several days I walked in meditations, occasionally shouting: “Yes, this can not be!”. And I brought weighty arguments to myself, they say, yes, our army is not the one that 10 years ago, and the SCO, the CSTO, and the BRICS for some reason have been created. Yes, and our intelligence works well. And saboteurs, whom I imagined polluting sources of water or spilling anthrax there. Then, after some time, an article appears on the VO, how the Chinese relate to Russians. And this is another plus in favor of the unreality of the war between China and Russia. Well, a country that wants to seize the territory of another country cannot (analogies with the Crimea are not appropriate here) just take the troops out of the way like this and send troops to fight ... you still need to prepare the people somehow. How, for example, is hysteria going on in the West? Or even how Hitler prepared everyone for the “liberation” war? But this impact is extremely important. Well, you know that without me.

And on the June holiday there was a transfer of Besogon TV Mikhalkov NS, and there he talks about the war between Russia and China during the New Year holidays. I think many people watched this issue and made conclusions:



Pyrrhic victory.

Fearfully? Very ... Really? Is complete. And it's hard not to agree with the arguments, it seems. And how everything is signed by the minute. Ah, the brave Chinese special forces. Just think, the whole of Khabarovsk was not woken up by helicopters. And the people then we both died! No need to work, not even the police! No random onlookers. All right with them. Our military is full of profane ... even in their own fighting places they are busy with everything, but only not in service. But this is only a scenario. Good. Suppose China has developed success, and the scenario that Mikhalkov told it turned out to be real ... And then what? What gave it to China?

[Center]

Summit of the Heads of the SCO member states


And it gave, in fact, except for head problems, nothing. For the whole world, China is now the aggressor number 1. And such a big number. Now, and God forbid, Moscow plays a kind of intermediary between Delhi and Beijing. After all, India and China are geopolitical opponents. Who will guarantee that Delhi will not be untied, and they will not attack China in response to the aggression against Russia? There is no one to hold the two geopolitical adversary giants with a large population that make up half the Earth from the meat grinder between each other. The USA will only warm their hands on this and will contribute in every possible way to this. Yes, now there may be secret non-aggression pacts, mutual assistance in case of an attack by 3 countries. But if by Mikhalkov, it will not work.

So, new northern territories must now be mastered. And make a huge infusion there. Projects of more than one decade, serious money. But, I think, there will be no problems ... External contacts. And who will be in contact with the country that has launched an open war? China is not the United States, and does not hold half the world for a soft yuan. Technological development and industry. Well, yes, Vostochny’s cosmodrome, advanced development territories, and aircraft factories, which keep secret documentation for T-50 airplanes, will be captured. Even scientists are not needed ... well, if someone stays behind the golden gingerbread. And what about the people? And they will not need people. The male population is either annihilated or transferred to the status of “non-citizens” with no rights whatsoever. Only work as slaves. With the female half, I think you yourself know what will happen ... Yes, there are definitely prospects, but the prospects to face such countries as India or South Korea + Japan + USA without international support, China clearly does not want. So who will give it, if you are a clear aggressor? And to whom should I give it now? Pakistan? Or African republics? And if you run into all geopolitical opponents at once ??? And no matter how inviting the endless forests of taiga are almost without a population, the risk of remaining China without international support will be great. They will not be able to fight with the whole world.

PS And what will happen next in the rest of Russia? There, everyone will sprinkle ashes on their heads. Maybe a revolution will happen ... and there will be no our country.
Author:
198 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 2 July 2016 18: 22
    +26
    "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)."

    Bullshit at the high school level. negative

    "And then what will happen in the rest of Russia? Everyone there will sprinkle ashes on their heads. Maybe there will be a revolution ... and our country will not exist."

    That is, the author does not consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons?
    1. i80186
      i80186 2 July 2016 18: 31
      +22
      "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)."

      And what is the army supplied with? Truly, what a nonsense. If only at leisure, the author of the article looked at how much and what is in the CARS, one fur is needed. divisions (at least since the German invasion of the USSR) And then the army, and under nuclear attacks. tongue
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 2 July 2016 18: 47
        +8
        wassat Locusts, not otherwise or zorgi. Horror, scary.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 2 July 2016 20: 33
          +2
          Delirium is excellent, but at least smiled :) and wanted to dream up.
          Imagine in reality. The Chinese conquered the Russian Federation and all the former Soviet Asian republics, took possession of industry, resources and technology ... and ... America hanged itself in turn on one palm ... :)

          But there is one more option from this area, and what if they made a deal with the Democrats and bark for a look? Then do not wait long :(

          In general, something, the last time that no article is weaving in the throat gets stuck ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 July 2016 06: 14
            0
            Quote: NIKNN
            Delirium is excellent,

            It’s just that some people really want to quarrel Russia and China, and such articles are being stamped.
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 3 July 2016 09: 43
              +1
              This article is not very recent, it was published in the journal Popular Mechanics. I can clarify the number. Bearing in mind that this is the Russian version of the American magazine, we can safely name the customer. At the same time, the approach in the magazine is often this: The article about the unsuccessful flying saucer AVRO is summarized as an instructive, albeit disastrous flight of engineering thought, while citing gigantic figures of wasted funds. And next to it is an article about "popovki" - this is an example of corruption and waste of funds in Russia, despite all the historical aspects that led to the choice of this design, and the corruption component is given unfounded.
            2. cyberhanter
              cyberhanter 3 July 2016 14: 17
              0
              Just some do not read to the end :)
        2. Angestyr
          Angestyr 2 July 2016 22: 13
          0
          Quote: avva2012
          wassat Locusts, not otherwise or zorgi. Horror, scary.


          Actually, the Terrans fought with the Zerg
        3. PKK
          PKK 2 July 2016 22: 16
          +3
          Dear author, is there not enough genetic weapons to defeat China? And biological weapons aren’t enough? 1000 MT near the coast and the tsunami will wash off the floor of China and they know it. The rest is neutralized by the above methods. Real scenario? Completely.
          1. cyberhanter
            cyberhanter 3 July 2016 14: 18
            0
            Dear reader, we could respect the author and first read to the end :)
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 3 July 2016 00: 05
          +6
          Quote: avva2012
          Locusts, not otherwise or zorgi. Horror, scary.

          Right! And the methods of dealing with such an army will be like locusts.
          The author’s mistake is that he pulls the war of the past onto the framework of modernity.
          It seems to me that "microwave ovens" in the form of "Voronezh-DM" will find their practical application in such a situation. Everyone is silent about this, but there are plans to locate such stations of "high factory readiness" along the perimeter, every 1000 km. And neutron PSUs will help with locusts, especially since there are already ultra-small PSUs ...
          On other issues (gaining dominance in the air, the defeat of tank armadas, attacks on the put forward reserves, etc.), specialists will probably tell me better.
          I can only say one thing: if an 2 monster is captured, the rest will not take a moment ... In short, this is the 3 MV scenario.
          And the script that Mikhalkov read is a provocative throw-in, the purpose of which is the distrust and suspicion of 2's neighbors to please the Yankees.
      2. cyberhanter
        cyberhanter 3 July 2016 14: 17
        0
        If only you read the article to the end.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 2 July 2016 18: 33
      +17
      What line do not take - all nonsense! A set of slogans and stamps, and the most primitive!
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 2 July 2016 19: 56
        0
        The minus of the article is the longest. I am far from the idea that we have order in the military-industrial complex, but that it is degrading ... Admins, where do you only find such Russophobes?
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 2 July 2016 20: 59
          +10
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Admins, where do you only find such Russophobes?
          Well, let's just say: the first part of the article is a Russophobic compilation from the series "Intrigues, Scandals, Investigations", the second is illiterate conclusions.
          The author, if he wanted to speculate on further relations between China and Russia, at least tracked the latest political trends. Here, for example, Xi Jinping, speaking on June 1 at a solemn meeting on the occasion of the 95th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party, made the following statement:
          "The world is on the brink of radical change. We see how gradually the European Union is collapsingAs US economy crashes, all this will end with a new world order. So, as never will be, in 10 years a new world order awaits usin which the key will be union of China and Russia ..
          We are now witnessing aggressive actions on the part of the United States, both against Russia and China. I think that Russia and China can create an alliance before which NATO will be powerless and this will put an end to the imperialist desire of the Westhttp://to-ros.info/?p=38461".
          What can you say, dear Shvedov Roman?
          1. Buffet
            2 July 2016 21: 25
            +7
            Once again, citizens! I do not believe in the war between Russia and China. I wanted to speculate on exactly the scenario of MIKHALKOV. My message is simple and banal: China and India benefit from cooperation with Russia. They understand that. It was just that I wanted to make a statement like a refutation of the article and video BesogonTV quoted by me.
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 2 July 2016 22: 00
              +1
              Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
              I just wanted to make a statement like a refutation of the article and video BesogonTV cited by me.
              Not very convincing happened. No. The author’s thought is practically lost on the background of someone else’s text, and it is extremely incompetent and tendentious text. I won’t be surprised that many people who didn’t read your material to the end and didn’t reach the author’s conclusions, spat and minus smile
              Well, okay, the first pancake is always lumpy. Good luck, Roman, go ahead!
              1. Buffet
                3 July 2016 12: 18
                +1
                Thank! most likely it happened ...
                1. cyberhanter
                  cyberhanter 3 July 2016 14: 22
                  0
                  It was necessary to take someone else’s text under the quote tag, otherwise we have some urapatriots who, as they see a couple of words that they don’t like, immediately minus and leave or leave angry comments
            2. BilliBoms09
              BilliBoms09 2 July 2016 22: 54
              +1
              I wanted to speculate on exactly the scenario of MIKHALKOV.
              You at least look carefully at the program. This is not Mikhalkov’s script, but he was asked to make a film on this script, he refused.
            3. dima9990
              dima9990 3 July 2016 03: 07
              +2
              To begin with, I advise you to carefully review and first and to the end of that issue of Besogon. There Mikhalkov talks about the script sent to him, reads it, and then discusses this nonsense. Giving his assessment of the script read. The author is very frivolous with the source.
          2. retardu
            retardu 3 July 2016 07: 53
            -1
            Does he even know that he said this? Cool quote from some second-rate resources
          3. Alf
            Alf 3 July 2016 09: 12
            +2
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            in 10 years, a new world order awaits us, in which the alliance of the PRC and Russia will be the key ..

            Bismarck once said, All the unions that Germany must enter into must be an alliance of a donkey and a rider, and Germany must always be a rider.
            China has just such a worldview.
            In the event of a hypothetical conflict between Russia and China, the United States will be an observer. At first. And after Russia and China get stuck in the war, they will strike. In Russia. China, the United States in the military field is not an adversary, and geographically far it is, but Russia is the main adversary of the United States in a dispute over world domination. And then the USA will bomb China in the Stone Age, they do it very well, fortunately the state of the Chinese armed forces will be very far from normal.
            One must really look at things. China is not our ally and friend. Remember how China reacted to the imposition of sanctions against Russia, did not approve, but also did not veto it. In principle, the weaker the competitor, the better.
          4. cyberhanter
            cyberhanter 3 July 2016 14: 20
            +1
            It seems you are the first to read an article from all commentators :) A big plus to you. Relations between Russia and Kataya require a more comprehensive analysis and I would like to read this, since I do not have much information
            1. Alf
              Alf 3 July 2016 14: 41
              +1
              Quote: cyberhanter
              It seems you are the first to read an article from all commentators :) A big plus to you.

              Thank you I'm used to reading everything first, then analyzing it, and only then commenting.
              Old school, you know ...
        2. Buffet
          2 July 2016 21: 30
          -2
          Most gracious. Read the article again, try to catch my thought. What did I mean at all. I would like readers to think with me, I said in the article
          Well how? It smacks of delirium? Do you feel the style of REN-TV? I thought so too, walked for several days in thought, periodically crying out: “Yes, it cannot be!” And he made good arguments for himself, they say, but our army is not the same as 10 years ago, and the SCO, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, and the BRICS are created for something. Yes, and our intelligence works well. And saboteurs, whom I imagined polluting sources of water or anthrax poured there.
        3. cyberhanter
          cyberhanter 3 July 2016 14: 19
          0
          Less to you for not reading the article to the end and already making conclusions
      2. cyberhanter
        cyberhanter 3 July 2016 14: 19
        0
        Excuse me, did you read every line? :) You didn’t even read to the end where once refuted all that was at the beginning
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 18: 58
      +4
      I read the first part of the article to Popular Mechanics in 2012, and the second part at the end of 2013 - here at VO.
    4. The comment was deleted.
      1. The comment was deleted.
    5. Peter Romane
      Peter Romane 2 July 2016 19: 15
      -4
      "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)."

      If 1,5 billion Chinese go to Siberia, then we will only have more arable land. Yes, and there will be something for the bear.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Buffet
        2 July 2016 21: 41
        +5
        Although I am not an alarmist and believe in the spirit of the Russian soldier and in Suvorovskoe: "You need to win not by numbers, but by skill," but you do not need to think with a hat. After all, how was Stalin painted about the invincibility of the Red Army? But the KV-1 and T-34 tanks were still made ...
        1. Alf
          Alf 3 July 2016 14: 46
          +1
          Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
          Although I am not an alarmist and believe in the spirit of the Russian soldier and in Suvorovskoe: "You need to win not by numbers, but by skill," but you do not need to think with a hat.

          Honey 2MV and 3MV will be a big difference. The spirit of a soldier and his willingness to fight and, if necessary, die is very important, but in modern warfare, the modernity of weapons is very important (much more than in 2MB).
      3. Alf
        Alf 3 July 2016 14: 43
        0
        Quote: Peter Romane
        If 1,5 billion Chinese go to Siberia, then we will only have more arable land. Yes, and there will be something for the bear.

        In the 41st, too, they shouted like Little Blood, a mighty blow.
        In war there is nothing worse than underestimating the enemy.
    6. dvina71
      dvina71 2 July 2016 19: 37
      +11
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Bullshit at the high school level.

      Quote: Vladimirets
      "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)."

      Yeah .. Through the Mongolian deserts and mountains or the little developed taiga .. How to accelerate, how to accelerate ..
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 2 July 2016 20: 30
        +1
        Through the Mongolian deserts and mountains or underdeveloped taiga.

        Khan to Mongolian jerboas and Siberian hedgehogs. I sit and cry.
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 2 July 2016 21: 03
        +2
        Quote: dvina71
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Bullshit at the high school level.

        Quote: Vladimirets
        "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)."

        Yeah .. Through the Mongolian deserts and mountains or the little developed taiga .. How to accelerate, how to accelerate ..

        In the same 1945, the Soviet army knocked out a rather powerful Japanese army, having made a swift march through mountains and deserts, what is not possible in this?
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 2 July 2016 21: 10
          0
          It is not right. The group was preparing for two months. And the Japanese Army was not there. Mongol volunteers helped us.
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 2 July 2016 21: 14
          +3
          Quote: razmik72
          having made a swift march through mountains and deserts, what is so impossible in this?

          In the phrase itself: "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)." This is a "spherical horse in a vacuum".
          "The pace of the offensive is the speed of advance of the advancing troops, measured in kilometers per day; one of the indicators of the scale of the operation. It depends on the number and combat capability of its troops (SNL) and the enemy, the nature of the defense and terrain, the thoroughness of preparation, the decisiveness of the offensive, etc."

          Why is the 38th Army only such an offensive pace? And how many is the 37th? 130 or 175km per day? Where does such data come from? The pace of the offensive depends on so many inconstant that it is practically impossible to calculate it and everywhere it is spoken of in the past tense as a fait accompli. request And 150 km per day is such a high speed of advancement of such a gigantic formation as an army that it is easy to pass them, without enemy opposition, and that is not easy, especially given the terrain and climate of the Far East. It's like writing: RRC Moskva annually destroys three enemy submarines and seven fighter-bombers. " recourse
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 2 July 2016 21: 36
            +3
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: razmik72
            having made a swift march through mountains and deserts, what is so impossible in this?

            In the phrase itself: "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)." This is a "spherical horse in a vacuum".
            "The pace of the offensive is the speed of advance of the advancing troops, measured in kilometers per day; one of the indicators of the scale of the operation. It depends on the number and combat capability of its troops (SNL) and the enemy, the nature of the defense and terrain, the thoroughness of preparation, the decisiveness of the offensive, etc."

            Why is the 38th Army only such an offensive pace? And how many is the 37th? 130 or 175km per day? Where does such data come from? The pace of the offensive depends on so many inconstant that it is practically impossible to calculate it and everywhere it is spoken of in the past tense as a fait accompli. request And 150 km per day is such a high speed of advancement of such a gigantic formation as an army that it is easy to pass them, without enemy opposition, and that is not easy, especially given the terrain and climate of the Far East. It's like writing: RRC Moskva annually destroys three enemy submarines and seven fighter-bombers. " recourse

            If you together do not believe in a war with China, then what the hell is the bald man, I ask you, do you believe in the possibility of war with the United States?
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 2 July 2016 22: 36
              0
              Quote: razmik72
              If you together do not believe in a war with China, then what the hell is the bald man, I ask you, do you believe in the possibility of war with the United States?


              Logic suggests that there should not be a war - the risks are too great.
              The Chinese are smart, and they understand it - and we know that they understand it.
              But "well, that-oops" are stupid for that, that they are not guided by logic - who knows what will hit their heads? So there is still a risk from this side!
            2. andj61
              andj61 2 July 2016 22: 38
              -1
              Quote: razmik72
              If you together do not believe in a war with China, then what the hell is the bald man, I ask you, do you believe in the possibility of war with the United States?

              If a war begins with the United States, then you won’t run away from a war with China either, even if you take the form of a preventive nuclear strike against China, both from Russia and the United States: nobody will leave unharmed after an exchange of nuclear strikes by such a strong POTENTIAL rival will be: own security is more important.
              1. Give the light
                Give the light 3 July 2016 05: 55
                -5
                I agree that the scenario of a war with China is more real than with the United States, such a large army will not sit idle for a long time. But I think from the beginning they will put pressure on their southern neighbors.
            3. Rust0626
              Rust0626 3 July 2016 10: 42
              0
              I think the United States will not directly fight, but will try to organize unrest on the borders of Russia. Try to create local conflicts.
              China will also not fight in the classical sense. A few nuclear explosions and part of China and Siberia will prove unsuitable for life and the whole meaning of the war is lost.
              China, in my opinion, will continue its creeping expansion, nibbling off little by little the pieces on the borders. And as for the territory, the entire northern part of them is sparsely populated.
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 2 July 2016 22: 11
          +2
          Quote: razmik72
          The Soviet army in the same 1945 knocked out a rather powerful Japanese army, making a swift march through the mountains and deserts


          But it was mountains and deserts allied to us Mongolia - there we could move at the speed that the equipment could withstand!
        4. The comment was deleted.
    7. Observer2014
      Observer2014 2 July 2016 19: 40
      +2
      Vladimir (3) RU Today, 18:22
      "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)."
      good
      And the tank guns bent. And they fought as they wanted to death, a dragon with a bear.
      But it was not there!
      The Jew burst into tears. The German howled. And the Englishman, having sensed a poppy seed, looked at the sky.
      And what happened? A dragon and a bear will be planted in you!
      Of course the West will be against it!
      But the dragon and the Bear will be high! laughing
    8. DMB_95
      DMB_95 2 July 2016 19: 42
      +8
      Quote: Vladimirets


      That is, the author does not consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons?

      Indeed, not a word about the main thing. If the PLA will trample as fast as it is written (150 km per day), then after a couple of hours the Chinese advanced units will suddenly find out that China itself is no longer behind them. There is only a radioactive desert.
    9. Buffet
      2 July 2016 20: 03
      +16
      Hello! I am the author of this article! First remark: You did not even watch Mikhalkov’s video that the use of nuclear weapons promises retaliatory strikes. That is, we are talking about a local Chinese blitzkrieg. And the failure of our rulers as a whole. Again, I repeat according to Mikhalkov! Secondly, no one seemed to read my reasoning in the second half of the article on the role of Russia as that balance between India and China. Thirdly, I talked about the continuation of the script Mikhalkov. But in the course of its release, many of those who commented did not watch. In the fourth, according to Mikhalkov, China will not pay attention to the loss of either personnel or equipment, they will crush solely by number. Fifth, this is my first article on this, please do not judge strictly. I generally get the impression that my article was read between the lines ...
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 2 July 2016 20: 14
        +10
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        Hello! I am the author of this article!

        Hello.
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        You have not even watched Mikhalkov’s video that the use of nuclear weapons promises retaliatory strikes.

        But what about Mikhalkov, the chief of the general staff, one of the apostles or a seer? Or people are not smarter than him? Everyone has their own opinion.
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        Secondly, no one has read my arguments in the second half of the article about the role of Russia as that balance between India and China.

        On the contrary, I personally put a minus to your article just because of the conclusions:
        Quote: Vladimirets
        China will not attack us just because it runs the risk of appearing as the "bad guy" in the world or getting pissed off from the Indians.

        After all, is this your promise?
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        In the fourth, according to Mikhalkov, China will not pay attention to the loss of either personnel or equipment, they will crush solely by number.

        Mikhalkov, it seems, has not yet recovered from the Citadel. Nuclear weapons will not be used until one of the parties that own them decides that it will definitely lose with conventional weapons. IMHO, in this version, tactical nuclear weapons will be used without fail and not necessarily only against the troops. With China's population density (south and southeast), the losses will be dire.
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        Fifth, this is my first article on this, please do not judge strictly.

        + You for the courage, after so many critical comments, to appear and defend yourself - this is worthy of respect. yes
        1. Buffet
          2 July 2016 21: 27
          0
          Thank! but I still talked about your comments in the article:
          And it’s hard not to agree with the arguments, it seems. And how everyone signs every minute. Oh, brave Chinese special forces. Just think, the whole Khabarovsk was not woken by helicopters. And our people are extinct! You don’t need to work, not even the police! No random onlookers. Okay with them. Our military ignoramuses are full ... even in their battle places they are busy with anything, but not with service. But this is just a scenario.
          I just reasoned on the topic "What will happen next?"
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 2 July 2016 21: 35
            +3
            Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
            I just reasoned on the topic "What will happen next?"

            And they speculated that China is only holding back the global reaction. But didn’t you think that China might fear unacceptable damage from us in return?
        2. Alf
          Alf 3 July 2016 14: 55
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Nuclear weapons will not be used until one of the parties possessing it decides that it will definitely lose with conventional weapons.

          But can Russia keep its eastern borders? If China trampled on, then only those parts of the Republic of Armenia that were located there would have to take offense, but there are not as many as we would like. Help in the form of the arrival of units from the western border will not have to wait. The reason is one and simple as a nail-the General Staff will not remove parts from the western border due to the sharply increased possibility of a NATO strike in this case.
          I think that in this scenario, NATO is unlikely to stand aside.
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 2 July 2016 20: 43
        +13
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        Again, I repeat according to Mikhalkov!

        Roman, do not be like Mikhalkov, he still believes that the Russian army will go into battle with cuttings from shovels, and not with modern weapons. hi Gerasimov and Shoigu better than Mikhalkov understand these issues. yes
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        this is my first article on this please do not judge strictly

        Since you posted your article on VO, you probably knew that there was a forum and the article would be sorted by letters and I joined my colleague.
        Quote: Vladimirets
        + You for the courage, after so many critical comments to appear and defend it is worthy of respect.

        hi Not many authors of articles on VO responded to the comments of members of the forum. The article minus, your comment is plus.
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        no one seemed to read my reasoning in the second half of the article on the role of Russia as that balancer between India and China.

        Very carefully a colleague read and deliberated. yes hi
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 2 July 2016 20: 52
        +3
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        Hello! I am the author of this article! First note: you didn’t even watch Mikhalkov’s video

        ... my dear man, it would be necessary to discuss with Mikhalkov elsewhere. At least, where he happens ... Or immediately make a statement - "we are discussing with those who overcame ..."

        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        this is my first article on this please do not judge strictly.

        I do not judge strictly, I expressed my opinion. What you write - I welcome. And moreover, I urge you to continue practicing! wink

        As for those, it is worth approaching them more thoughtfully.
        For example, why not consider the topic of the confrontation between Armenia and Azerbaijan in terms of taking into account the interests of the Russian Federation. There are many aspects - the Russian Federation has a base in Armenia, and it sells weapons to both. Azerbaijan has close ties with Turkey ...

        The topic is what the Russian Federation will do in the event of a conflict in Karabakh. Or in case of Turkish aggression against Armenia. You see, criticism or support would be more objective ...

        Good luck in the creation!
        1. Buffet
          2 July 2016 21: 36
          0
          Thank! But on the subject of Armenia and Azerbaijan, the devil will break his leg there. And I just wanted to note the role of Russia in the international arena as a peacemaker. Countries that offer something other than war. A country that offers a compromise. Like many forum users and citizens of the Russian Federation in general, I do not believe in the war between Russia and China - not those times. Although, as was noted, 8 years ago, this article would be relevant. And once again I note that China is not profitable war with Russia.
      4. vlad_vlad
        vlad_vlad 2 July 2016 21: 10
        +2
        Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
        Hello! I am the author of this article! ...


        I will share with you my personal opinion, although you did not ask me about this. I warn you - it’s dangerous to read! On the site here I collected a bunch of minuses for it.

        So:
        the time of big armed conflicts between the "big guys" is over. to drive the Papuans - yes, that is possible. But Europe, Americans, China, Russia, Japanese, etc. against each other -> I don't believe. What the fuck? and so each of the big guys can get it all in economic ways.

        Why should the Chinese conquer Siberia, for example? to heat? Do they need raw materials? so for little money our own teeth will bring everything. need manpower to Europe? half-Siberia for 2500 euros (minimum wage in Germany) per month will leave for Europe.

        in short, to send tanks, soldiers, etc. an enemy who can seriously answer is pointless and expensive. for a lousy 2-3-4 billion dollars, China will get in Russia all the cream it wants, including the sincere love of some local governor. but the fact that the "non-cream" will be subsidized by the Russian budget and further.
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 2 July 2016 21: 36
          +8
          Quote: vlad_vlad
          But Europe, the Americans, China, Russia,

          I will not correct you much Europe, China, Russia. yes The name of the state is capitalized. hi
        2. Buffet
          2 July 2016 21: 38
          -1
          Comrade I talked about this in the article ... and, in fact, Mikhalkov also argues in the same way.
      5. free
        free 2 July 2016 21: 18
        +5
        Well, why are we afraid of China, but it isn’t ours ????????????? with the number ??? how many missiles poplar m can destroy, and how many deployed carriers do you even wonder? will Russia be afraid blow when her life itself is in question (what else to fear then) ??? sure in this situation we will not be slow to apply yao!
      6. Monos
        Monos 2 July 2016 21: 26
        +4
        Hello! I am the author of this article!

        Do not flatter yourself, we have read the text. That is why such comments.

        I have only one question: “WHY?” Your Russophobia rushes from every letter.

        What is the purpose of posting this "opus"?
      7. Operator
        Operator 2 July 2016 21: 45
        +3
        Roman, taste the topic of "tactical nuclear weapons" and you will immediately understand the fate of the Chinese army in the first 150 km of Russian territory, as well as the fate of the rear of the Chinese army in 150 km of Chinese territory.

        Moreover, the number of Chinese does not matter - even though all 1,5 billion with babies are at the ready.
      8. Mitek
        Mitek 2 July 2016 21: 45
        +5
        Hello, author. You don’t look at a nickname, don’t .. If you want, early. Wonderful things filmed under damned totalitarianism. One among strangers is one of which is worth it. You came to a site where most people with higher MILITARY education, many with experience of real military operations. And you start on the basis of the delirium of a mad director to paint the consequences and most importantly predict the course of an imaginary war. Are you in yourself?
      9. Val31rus
        Val31rus 2 July 2016 21: 49
        +2
        The first pancake is lumpy ...
      10. masiya
        masiya 2 July 2016 22: 54
        +4
        and it’s not until the end that anyone has read ... and the trick is that we ourselves brought up these movchan, Krasovskh, Albanians, koshin - where are you Lavrenty Palych BERIA - RISE HELP US SINFUL ABOUT THIS PURPOSE TO RID OF ... hands of our current organs do not grow from the wrong place ... in order to restore order and put obvious enemies in their place .. !!!
        1. Lyton
          Lyton 4 July 2016 04: 01
          +1
          Our future maskweed bodies ride on gelenvagenes, what sort of order will there be, not before the enemies they will be in the future.
    10. razmik72
      razmik72 2 July 2016 20: 59
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "The rate of advance of the 38th Army reaches 1000 km per week (150 km per day)."

      Bullshit at the high school level. negative

      "And then what will happen in the rest of Russia? Everyone there will sprinkle ashes on their heads. Maybe there will be a revolution ... and our country will not exist."

      That is, the author does not consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons?

      how many nuclear charges does Russia have? Such information should be in the public domain, all nuclear weapons, except tactical and operational-tactical.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 2 July 2016 21: 54
        +7
        Quote: razmik72
        how many nuclear charges does Russia have?

        Look at this table and google to help you. yes(Cry)
    11. free
      free 2 July 2016 21: 13
      +1
      Well, why, it’s even considering it, but for some reason it presses on the fact that RUSSIA will be scared of the reciprocal YAO CHINA, and CHINA means that YAO RUSSIA will not be scared, or we will not have enough missiles that would not only CHINA, but turn the half of the world into dust.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 2 July 2016 21: 32
        -1
        Quote: free
        Well, why, it’s even considering it, but for some reason it presses on the fact that RUSSIA will be scared of the reciprocal YAO CHINA, and CHINA means that YAO RUSSIA will not be scared, or we will not have enough missiles that would not only CHINA, but turn the half of the world into dust.

        How many missile warheads does Russia have?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 July 2016 21: 44
          +1
          Quote: razmik72
          How many missile warheads does Russia have?

          - Have you been banned in Google? belay

          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 2 July 2016 21: 46
            +2
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Have you been banned in Google?

            I already wanted to write it myself. laughing
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 July 2016 23: 49
        -4
        In order to turn the whole world into dust, you need at least 60 thousand warheads - 25 megatons each.
    12. Dam
      Dam 3 July 2016 01: 51
      +2
      The author is a science fiction writer, not even a scientific one. Without a doubt, it’s the golden dream of the impudent Saxons that China and I would clutch each other's throats. How many problems would it solve at the same time. A scenario of direct war between nuclear countries is hardly possible at all. And in China, the zone of interests lies much south of our Far East. In general, an article on a spherical horse in a vacuum. Minus to the author
    13. cyberhanter
      cyberhanter 3 July 2016 14: 16
      -1
      Judging by the number of minuses the article, the majority like you do not read the article to the end
  2. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 2 July 2016 18: 23
    +2
    If everything is so terrible, then why have the Chinese still not conquered Russia, or at least not chopped off the Far East with us by force of arms?
    1. 73bor
      73bor 2 July 2016 18: 41
      +6
      China knows ancient Russia for hell how many years, but for some reason the Far East was not captured, moreover, it was fenced off by a giant wall, how many years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, but the Chinese still prefer to go to Russia only to earn money, practically they do not despite the problems with the female population in China!
      1. MiRvSeMvDoM
        MiRvSeMvDoM 2 July 2016 19: 13
        +7
        Quote: 73bor
        not only fenced off from him by a giant wall

        Well, about the Chinese wall there are more questions than answers ... But is it really Chinese? given that the loopholes of the wall are looking just in the direction of China ... Despite the fact that this is a building of the ancient era, and it was built of stone .., well, in ancient China there was no technology for such stone processing, all buildings were built from a pressed mixture of earth , herbs and clay))) hi
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 2 July 2016 22: 27
          +1
          Quote: MiRvSeMvDoM
          it was built of stone .., well, in ancient China there was no technology for such processing of stone, all buildings were made from a pressed mixture of earth, grass and clay


          About loopholes - proof, pliz!
          Of the stone against the wall, only cladding - the base is just made of loess clay!
          Not to mention the fact that the annals of the construction have been preserved ...
        2. The comment was deleted.
      2. andj61
        andj61 2 July 2016 22: 47
        0
        Quote: 73bor
        China knows ancient Russia for hell how many years, but for some reason the Far East was not captured, moreover, it was fenced off by a giant wall, how many years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, but the Chinese still prefer to go to Russia only to earn money, practically they do not despite the problems with the female population in China!

        Do you think they really fenced off with a wall? None of the images from space until the mid-60s showed this wall, but suddenly appeared quickly after fasting ... Just at that time, the cultural revolution was raging there, and the hungweigans atrocities, and drove people to labor camps. So they built ...
      3. asiat_61
        asiat_61 3 July 2016 03: 31
        0
        At least sometimes read something. For example, where are the loopholes of the Chinese fence looking. My minus, with pleasure. What year is today in the old style? And from where is the calculation?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 19: 01
      +2
      Probably because we have several times more nuclear ICBMs than China — and China itself is a production powder keg — a spark — it will fly up into the air and burn with all the colors of the rainbow.
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 2 July 2016 19: 13
      +7
      Now, if honestly, then what for them "by force of arms" ??? Ten years ago, their greenhouses with the "agricultural industry" stretched for kilometers along the roads, now even weeds do not grow there !!! By the nature of my hobbies, I visit places for a city car that are not accessible - there is not enough mat, only swearing saliva remained. What do you think - pressed the Chinese chemistry and removed it ??? Yes! removed! ... out of sight from federal highways. Fuck them war! Creeping expansion with permanent poisoning! An example for you, please: June 15 in Omsk watermelons with a diameter of 30cm. declared as Omsk.
    4. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 2 July 2016 19: 33
      0
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      If everything is so terrible, then why have the Chinese still not conquered Russia, or at least not chopped off the Far East with us by force of arms?

      China and India have graters on territories, it is unlikely that India and other countries in which disputed territories with China will sit and watch when China wins, and then take up them.
      So, that is not all clear. And the resources are quietly exported without capture, the northern territories of China are not very populated.
      And China is more concerned about the US missile defense, which could very much damage its defense capabilities.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 2 July 2016 20: 35
        0
        It's awkward to type text from a tablet.)
    5. free
      free 2 July 2016 21: 21
      0
      and why America has not conquered us yet?
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 2 July 2016 22: 44
        +1
        I share concerns Shvedova. China really can quickly cut off our significant territory. And what should we do? First of all, start the re-conservation of reserves and their refinement to the minimum current state at the required performance characteristics. Of course, to use nuclear weapons, if applied, then on the Chinese rear, because advanced units without fuel beyond 500 km will not advance if they do not find fuel in our territory. To slow down at this turn, air superiority is also necessary, i.e. We need long-range air defense and electronic warfare systems at the turn of the proposed held defense line: closer, we also need them, but Buki and Torah with Shells. The main force that will be able to stop the advance of the Chinese armada is the same Hurricanes and Tornado-S with high-precision individually guided projectiles in Glonass. Well, the main blow to China should be from the sea along the coast, and you can even limit yourself not to nuclear weapons, but to chemical weapons, if there isn’t any hidden - genetic. KVM. But we must be aware that China dares to attack us only after receiving military assistance from the states and NATO, therefore it will be much harder than that described by Shvedov.!. Unfortunately, we have no other option than to continuously build up our combat potential - both defensive and striking. And we need high-precision individual-targeting bombs planning for 100 km or more from A100 and MiG-31 of small diameter in large numbers for all types of aircraft.
        1. Operator
          Operator 2 July 2016 23: 02
          0
          Escalation is our everything:
          - immediately after the invasion, cover the front and rear of the Chinese army of nuclear weapons;
          - if it doesn’t help (they try to push the second echelon of the invasion from the depths of their territory), process the places of deployment of the second echelon using RSD;
          - if they go all-in (announce total mobilization), hit the RSD throughout the entire territory of China.

          The carriers of TNW are the Tornado-S MLRS, the Iskander-M OTRK and the Caliber-A air-launched cruise missiles.

          At the moment, there is one problem to be solved - the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation do not have medium-range ballistic missiles such as the Soviet RSM-10 Pioneer.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 July 2016 00: 10
          0
          We won’t be able to quickly transfer our forces from the European part of Russia, since our military transport aircraft are sorely lacking heavy transport aircraft - An 124 - 26 units - all over Russia. With air defense, too, everything is not perfect. There are 200 weapons in total, and Armor 40 and recently nothing has been heard about their purchases. China has several hundreds of long-range MLRS WS 2D with a range of up to 400 kilometers, as well as a hundred OTRK DF 15 with a launch range of 600 kilometers, also ICBMs DF4, DF5A, DF31A - no one really knows how many of their army are UAC - but it can be said with confidence that there are not one hundred.
  3. demiurg
    demiurg 2 July 2016 18: 27
    +17
    Wild game. China is full of uninhabited territories. Author, look how many people can live on one hectare in the tropics, and how many in the taiga. And this is not counting the fact that in Siberia firewood and warm clothes are still needed. And if we take into account the parity in the number of eaters who can feed on a hectare, then all of Siberia will be compressed into a fist. And the narrow tropical coastal zones are spreading. Mining / conquering resources in Siberia? The author is a second time unlearned. All the tastiest is far from the Chinese borders. And for the sake of what it is, there is no point in starting a war. Well, the attack on 150km per day, this is a cherry on the cake.
    In general, put a minus, it is a pity that only one can be delivered.
    1. 73bor
      73bor 2 July 2016 18: 57
      +1
      I wouldn’t be surprised if the article was written in 1999 or 2000, but it seems that they took the old blank and squeezed, for there is no need to keep people!
    2. BARKAS
      BARKAS 2 July 2016 19: 36
      +2
      Quote: demiurg
      China is full of uninhabited territories

      Moreover, territories with built-up but not populated, empty cities.
  4. Rus2012
    Rus2012 2 July 2016 18: 28
    +23
    Quote: Author Roman Shvedov
    Colossal overpopulation of this country

    /// and meanwhile, up to 50% of the territory of China is sparsely populated.

    On the other hand, the territory of the Russian Federation in the Far East is also sparsely populated, because it is more difficult to live there than in the mountainous or other more southern territories of China. And what follows from this? Where will the Chinese go to Magadan and Chukotka? :)
    What poorly educated material did you write?

    The appearance of the material can only be explained by the fact that there is an ORDER to aggravate, and BETTER IT IS BETTER TO MAKE THE ENEMIES OF THE RUSSIAN AND CHINESE, with all that it implies ...

    Meanwhile, recent events on this subject -
    01.07.2016
    Xi Jinping: Russia and China can create an alliance before which NATO will be powerless
    Chinese President Xi Jinping, in a speech on Friday 1 of July, noted the strategic need for an alliance between Russia and China, which, in his opinion, will determine the future world order.
    “The world is on the verge of radical change. We see how the EU is gradually collapsing, how the US economy crashes, all this will end with a new world order. As it will never be before, in 10 years a new world order awaits us, in which the alliance between the PRC and Russia will be key, ”said Xi Jinping.
    In his opinion, relations between Russia and China should not be limited only to economic relations, these countries can create an alternative to NATO.
    “We are now observing aggressive actions on the part of the United States, both against Russia and China. I believe that Russia and China can create an alliance before which NATO will be powerless and this will put an end to the imperialist desire of the West, ”he noted.
    Xi Jinping is also convinced that China needs to modernize its army.
    “The creation of an army that meets the international status of our country is a strategic task. We must combine economic development with the development of defense, modernize the army so that it is modern and standardized ... We must comprehensively promote military reform in order to create an army that is disciplined and able to win, ”said Xi Jinping, speaking at the ceremony meeting on the occasion of the 95 anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party.
    1. 73bor
      73bor 2 July 2016 18: 52
      +7
      These articles appear every year, even Mikhalkov was asked to make a catastrophe film according to a similar scenario, only this screenwriter does not remember the sayings -It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines, and walk on them ...! Only I would look at the pace of the offensive when, in the conditions of TAIGA and continuous off-road, the Chinese will first fail 70% of the equipment and then the rear services will cease! Here are the Chinese who understand this, as well as the fact that they don’t know how to fight, to trade is theirs, to fight is not a treatise on VI to write!
      1. Buffet
        2 July 2016 20: 05
        0
        Actually this is understandable. But I wanted to emphasize in the article that it is not profitable for them to fight with us. But nobody began to pay attention to it. I was repelled precisely after the events of the Mikhalkov script.
    2. dauria
      dauria 2 July 2016 19: 28
      -3
      Xi Jinping: Russia and China can create an alliance before which NATO will be powerless


      Don't give a damn about intentions (the best ones). Potential matters. And these "friends" have it. And it must be taken into account. Whether you want it or not, you have to. And the alignment for us is fig. Not quite as nightmarish as in the article. But you can't call it good either. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs turns and turns as I do in a frying pan.

      And what’s interesting is that with the USA we have a limit on nuclear strategic offensive arms, and these guys seem to be on the sidelines. But in the end, either we or the United States are losers. From the alignment.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 2 July 2016 20: 35
        +6
        Chinese leaders, by definition, cannot be fools, because pass HARREST SELECTION, passing along the entire career ladder from the lowest level (from the people) under the watchful eye of the OLD GENERATION. And I think that they perfectly understand that the WAR between the Russian Federation and the PRC is in the hands of only the West and no one else. They also understand in Moscow.
        The actions of the West only push the Russian Federation and the PRC into each other's arms. And if this continues to continue (not only militarily; but also economically - the creation of a Pacific and Atlantic trade union), then the military alliance of the PRC and the Russian Federation (CSTO) is inevitable.
        And do not scare the author with the military capabilities of China. We all saw their MBT on a tank biathlon, aviation on Russian engines, an analogue of the S-300 (HQ-9) works from heights of 200 meters (which does not fit in the TTX), nuclear submarines with aircraft carriers and helicopters are only now learning to do. And we must understand that the PRC has other tasks (Taiwan, the mound islands, the Strait of Malacca, cross-border disputes along the entire perimeter of the southern and eastern borders - from India to Japan), and also create a hemorrhoids from the nuclear RF. No, not such stupid Chinese communists who sing Kalinka to still intensify relations with Moscow. On the contrary, the CCP is interested in a STRONG ALLY - even more so now. And here is an example. A meeting of the Black Sea countries took place in Sochi and a decision was made to build a highway around the sea at the expense of AIIB. Why are the Chinese who rule there? Is it profitable for the Russian Federation, which the West imposes with sanctions (is this a clear counterweight to the isolation of the Russian Federation)? Or a whale. investments and technologies in high-speed railways (Moscow-Kazan), or a joint helicopter and airplane? It should be noted that the Chinese, if they agree, they always fulfill - especially in relation to the Russian Federation; where is her strategic interest in everything: from transit and raw materials to the military-industrial complex and political weight.
        Conclusion: the author does not dig there. In a nightmare, the Chinese only dream of such a war, because the answer will have to be kept around the perimeter: from the Mongols to the Vietnamese (we will find the Uyghurs in our Kurds too; if we didn’t count the Russians, what they do to us - all of Asia will stand on its hind legs) is such a whale. no one needs a comrade. No, not such fools are sitting in the CCP to put themselves on such tests, on the brink of survival, to the joy of the West. It has long been considered there that the SCO, BRICS, AIIB, CSTO, etc. much more profitable for them; than a confrontation - China itself will crumble into 9 principalities (7 Chinese + Tibet + XUAR). hi
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 2 July 2016 21: 22
          +5
          I like our SCO. Now a triumvirate has appeared in the form of the RF-PRC-India. That is, there is no dominance of any country, which will attract other interested countries (equality of members of the organization - a triumvirate will not allow the dominance of one "force"). Take that EU (Paris-Berlin-London), when London left, the others shuddered, and the other two main players began to demand to leave the organization as soon as possible in order to get all the "nishtyaks" from the exit of a third party - Poland and the Baltics panicked, tk. London was the mainstay of their foreign policy. The EU, if not reformed, will obviously disintegrate, especially if only one center of power remains (Berlin, which, for example, in a few years will become a monopoly in the distribution of Russian gas). There is no triumvirate, and sooner or later it will become cramped for two in one den, when one thinks that the other has chopped off more for himself (there is no third judge). If someone wants to throw a stone into the EAEU garden, then this is another case - we all left the USSR and Moscow ruled more or less with dignity and fairness, sometimes doing more for others; and everyone knew Russian, the same mentality and worldview (what is good and what is bad) developed over generations; and when the USSR collapsed, we all felt it on our own skin, rolling back to the third world countries (which are dictated from outside how to live).
          I am sure that a little time will pass and that Iran, Syria, Iraq and even Turkey (it is not for nothing that GDP removes all barriers) with Jordan and Afghanistan will be in the SCO. They go through their "purgatory", which shows who is a friend and who is an enemy, and who is "neither a friend nor an enemy, but so." And they will need their own "center of power" from especially intrusive ones (realizing that they will not lag behind anyway).
          The most interesting impression of the article. And what do we, small countries, neighbors of the PRC, do if even in Russia such concerns belay ? China, showing aggression, will be doomed, because he could not see allies in principle, and then they would be afraid not only of NATO. In the USA they are just waiting for this, as they were waiting for the troops to enter Ukraine. hi
    3. asiat_61
      asiat_61 3 July 2016 03: 41
      +1
      Well, I do not believe the Chinese, well, not once.
  5. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 2 July 2016 18: 34
    +6
    Russia, China and the SGA are capable of grinding each other (and at the same time the whole Earth) a good hundred times, so you can forget about big wars between superpowers forever.
  6. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 2 July 2016 18: 38
    +6
    The collision of such giants without the use of nuclear weapons is impossible. And who needs survival deserts. It is much easier for China to set a task to settle five times more Chinese population in the Far East within 100 years than the Russians. Developing agriculture and industry at the expense of Chinese labor. And then no one can do anything. Option Kosovo-2. The Chinese have been playing forward for centuries.
    1. demiurg
      demiurg 2 July 2016 18: 43
      +14
      Aaron, In Israel, the creeping Arab occupation :)) They multiply faster than the Jews hi
      Well, why do they need Siberia? For the sake of gardens? The entire Far East can grow less vegetables than Taiwan. This is for you, only water is needed on the promised land, and you can take three crops each. And we only have three sweaters removed when it's really cold. Forgot?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 2 July 2016 20: 23
        0
        Quote: demiurg
        Aaron, In Israel, the creeping Arab occupation :)) They multiply faster than the Jews hi
        Well, why do they need Siberia? For the sake of gardens? The entire Far East can grow less vegetables than Taiwan. This is for you, only water is needed on the promised land, and you can take three crops each. And we only have three sweaters removed when it's really cold. Forgot?

        First, Jewish and Arab birth rates were equal. 3 children per family.
        Secondly, up to 100 million Chinese live in North China along the Amur. How many Russians live in the Far East? But maybe I'm wrong. You know best.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 2 July 2016 22: 00
          +3
          Aron, good evening! Have you ever wondered what to do with the rest of China’s neighbors if there is an attack on the Russian Federation !? The Mongols (whom the Chinese literally surround), to us in Central Asia, Indians and Afghans, Vietnamese, Japanese, etc.? Against this background, even the civil war in Afghanistan will stop. All will start sharpening the bayonets, and there is no doubt that they will go to work - the question will arise about survival and statehood for all. This is the blue dream of the West, which Beijing is well aware of - pushing the foreheads of Russia and China. And with the Chinese expansion, the issue is solved by law, we can see more Koreans than Chinese - this issue is quite well resolved and the Chinese are moving towards. The Chinese are well aware of this problem and are quite negotiable. hi
    2. The comment was deleted.
  7. EvgNik
    EvgNik 2 July 2016 18: 40
    +4
    Of course, China prefers a peaceful form of expansion (economic and demographic)

    And she is already in full swing. But this issue simply does not have a military solution. And do not count the number of tanks and other weapons.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 2 July 2016 19: 26
      +4
      Quote: EvgNik
      And she is already in full swing. But this issue simply does not have a military solution. And do not count the number of tanks and other weapons

      No, I don’t agree. The Chinese go to work with us when they have a decent income. But now they don’t. The reason is that now the Chinese, with such a ruble exchange rate, are simply not profitable to work in Russia. Before the Chinese New Year they ended their contracts and most didn’t renew them. Construction companies, where the Chinese used to work, started to go bankrupt, that's why they didn’t come. Only traders remained.
      Then, why more than once here on VO and other sites it was said that having captured Siberia and the Far East, the Chinese are opening the shortest path for American ballistic missiles. The Chinese are not suicides and they will not do this.
    2. Karasik
      Karasik 2 July 2016 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      Of course, China prefers a peaceful form of expansion (economic and demographic)
      And she is already in full swing. But this issue simply does not have a military solution. And do not count the number of tanks and other weapons.

      In general, a military solution is simply inappropriate. Their peaceful expansion has proven itself well. Why fight if the territory can be conquered peacefully, without destroying its infrastructure (I mean numerous Chinatowns in many cities around the globe). Let's add to this the so-called. "Confucius Institutes", which are in many countries. These are educational institutions in which anyone can study the Chinese language and Chinese culture for free. Why does China need this - just for expansion, why capture peoples, if you can "turn them into Chinese"? Well, maybe I spoke primitively, but I mean - to attach to the Chinese culture, mentally make it as close as possible. They spend a lot of money on this!
      So the article is a horror story aimed at creating an "image of the enemy", at deteriorating relations between our countries. The armed seizure of the Far East of the Russian Federation by China is an event, well, how to put it mildly, unlikely. And the peaceful seizure is already underway!
  8. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 2 July 2016 18: 41
    +2
    China prefers a peaceful form of expansion (economic and demographic). But the military is by no means excluded.

    we don’t need either one, but I just think that the Chinese understand that there will be no winners in the event of military expansion
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 3 July 2016 01: 59
      0
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      China prefers a peaceful form of expansion (economic and demographic). But the military is by no means excluded.

      we don’t need either one, but I just think that the Chinese understand that there will be no winners in the event of military expansion

      Nature does not tolerate emptiness. The Chinese were not particularly interested in our Far East before. After the siege of the Abazino fortress in 1686, not even the Chinese, but the Manchus and the signing of the Nerchinsk Treaty, when the Russians were forced to leave Amur, the left bank of the river is neither Manchu, nor even the Chinese they didn’t occupy, with the exception of the coastal strip from the mouth of the Zeya to the Bureya Gates on the Amur. On Wiki, these events are described in sufficient detail and accurately in the article by Siege of Albazin http://beregrus.ru/?p=4741 and links to sources are given.
  9. fa2998
    fa2998 2 July 2016 18: 42
    +7
    In vain they compare the potentials, the composition of armaments, There will never be a large-scale war with China by conventional means. Surely this country has a mobilization reserve several times larger than the entire population of Russia. With Chinese aggression, there is certainly a plan for a nuclear strike (and the Chinese probably know about this). First of all, control centers, Chinese nuclear forces, airfields and concentration of troops. This is our advantage, it is useless and dangerous to fight with tanks and Kalashnikovs. soldier RS-they male population pr.800 million-trunks become hot! yes hi
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 2 July 2016 18: 48
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      Surely this country has a mobilization reserve several times larger than the entire population of Russia.

      What are you dear about? :)
      1,5bn versus 140bn population.
      We can only be friends against common enemies. But this is very good. Many people don’t like what they order, write and publish THIS MATERIALS and the like!

      Quote: fa2998
      With China’s aggression, there is probably a plan for a nuclear strike. First and foremost, there are control centers, Chinese nuclear forces, airfields and concentration of troops.


      ... but you are in vain.
      Most likely, the nuclear forces of the PRC will add up with the Russians against common enemies ...
  10. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 2 July 2016 18: 42
    +2
    we are finished, what sorrow. get the pickles for good is not lost. I think the Swedes novel is a pseudonym for some kind of hunweibin.
  11. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 2 July 2016 18: 44
    +2
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    The collision of such giants without the use of nuclear weapons is impossible. And who needs survival deserts. It is much easier for China to set a task to settle five times more Chinese population in the Far East within 100 years than the Russians. Developing agriculture and industry at the expense of Chinese labor. And then no one can do anything. Option Kosovo-2. The Chinese have been playing forward for centuries.

    the first time I see that a Jew writes with errors. lol or is it an insult?
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 2 July 2016 18: 53
      +5
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      the first time I see that a Jew writes with errors.

      So, the Jew conceived something very unkind ... yes
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 July 2016 20: 26
      +2
      Quote: LEVIAFAN

      the first time I see that a Jew writes with errors. lol or is it an insult?

      You’re not getting so bad on the phone. crying
  12. The comment was deleted.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 2 July 2016 18: 58
      +6
      Quote: chunga-changa
      You live in Sochi, well, as a last resort in Moscow, and all your thoughts are only about one thing - how would you move to Vorkuta or Murmansk,

      ... :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
      For at least Ivan the Terrible, all the lords of Russia tried to master the population of Mother Siberia and the Far East ...
      Only through hard labor and forced resettlement and succeeded mainly. And then voluntarily ...
      the author probably thinks that the Chinese are dumber than the Russians ...
  13. demiurg
    demiurg 2 July 2016 18: 46
    +2
    Quote: demiurg
    Aaron, In Israel, the creeping Arab occupation :)) They multiply faster than the Jews hi
    Well, why do they need Siberia? For the sake of gardens? The entire Far East can grow less vegetables than Taiwan. This is for you, only water is needed on the promised land, and you can take three crops each. And we only have three sweaters removed when it's really cold. Forgot?

    Not even after, few countries where the Chinese diasporas occupy a very significant part of the population? Why aren’t they joining China there?
  14. Sergey39
    Sergey39 2 July 2016 18: 46
    +4
    China has Africa, long enough
  15. Abbra
    Abbra 2 July 2016 18: 47
    +2
    The article is a clear provocation ... It is written illiterate. And who needs it?
  16. Muvka
    Muvka 2 July 2016 18: 47
    -2
    Commentators, did you read the article at all? Why are you negative?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 2 July 2016 18: 52
      +5
      Quote: Muvka
      Why are you negative?

      Yes, because from the analyzed nonsense, the author draws some insane conclusions: that, they say, China will not attack us just because it runs the risk of appearing as a "bad guy" in the world or getting pissed off from the Indians.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 2 July 2016 19: 03
        0
        Well, I thought that they just didn’t finish reading the article :)
    2. demiurg
      demiurg 2 July 2016 19: 04
      +4
      They put a few minuses, but it's a pity. I can tell you why. Give at least one reason to start a war between China and Russia. This is Siberia on the globe, and Vietnam is small. But more people can live in Vietnam. And comfortable. And Vietnam has no nuclear weapons.
      About tactical nuclear weapons, the author slipped as fast as possible. With what fright it will not be used? Apply, and with enthusiasm.
      Superiority in the armed forces, quantitative and qualitative (which is debatable) yields nothing. Generally. Nowhere to deploy these millions of soldiers. No roads, not even a normal plain. It seems that a person only saw nature in the country. East Siberia is not only covered with forest, but there are also mountains. What are opu 150km per day?
      What saboteurs on the Trans-Siberian?
      Well, the last question, when was the last time China chopped off his fellow countrymen by military means? The military is also grown for generations. And the experience of the fighting is transmitted.
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 3 July 2016 00: 10
        -1
        , when was the last time China chopped off his countrymen militarily?
        0.74 sq km Zhenbao Tao Island (formerly Daman)
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 19: 05
      0
      Read - and for a long time.
  17. prior
    prior 2 July 2016 18: 52
    +3
    Terrorists do not have a nationality, and the aggressor is good and bad? So what?
    Who cares what bastard attacked my country? Absorbed radioactive dust in full!
    There are no countries that would not have disagreements on any issues. It is necessary and possible to live in the world
    with all the neighbors.
    And from time to time, they try to oppose us with Belarus, China, or some other
    Honduras sometime.
    I am for world peace! Aggressor on the teeth!
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 2 July 2016 19: 19
      -1
      Ober-lieutenant, you correctly noticed that they are trying to oppose us with either Belarus or Turks, and now with the Chinese, and at the same time such concern for the poor Russians. Question why?
  18. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 2 July 2016 18: 52
    +16
    The author, like you stumbled upon an article late, this article was published in "Popular Mechanics" in the Russian version is quite a american magazine(it is clear why, and by whom was it written?) back in 2008 No. 2 (88) February p. 84-89 belay Eight years have passed. laughing I'll tell you the style, to scare and intimidate, out of the blue, plus "frightening photos of fanatical Chinese military!" Sleep well when it gets hot, I will let you know, because I live in close proximity to China, 800 meters of the water surface. laughing with a view from the window, so to speak, on this "terrible dragon"!
  19. avva2012
    avva2012 2 July 2016 18: 52
    +3
    I.V. Stalin was not in vain respectful of Mao. Friendship of our peoples, kirdyk USA.
  20. afrikanez
    afrikanez 2 July 2016 18: 53
    +1
    The author directly intimidated everyone with his article. It seems that Russia is an unarmed state and its people are solid phlegmatic people. Article "-"
  21. Deniosf
    Deniosf 2 July 2016 18: 54
    +1
    Very crazy article
  22. Chisayna
    Chisayna 2 July 2016 18: 55
    0
    China has returned to its territory. In Tuva, the Longxing company, mining polymetallic ores, in Toja (where I caught a pike of 20 kg, caught)
  23. ftgad
    ftgad 2 July 2016 18: 55
    +1
    The trailer is in a fuller real scenario, BUT with one caveat. China "will take Siberia" only at the moment when NATO is at war with Russia in the European part
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 2 July 2016 19: 06
      +6
      Quote: ftgad
      The trailer is in a fuller real scenario, BUT with one caveat. China "will take Siberia" only at the moment when NATO is at war with Russia in the European part


      If NATO decides to fight with the Russian Federation in the European part, then it will do so, including for the sake of the resources of Siberia. And would NATO really allow China to take Siberia under such circumstances? Yes, at the command "face", NATO-USA-Japan-India-Vietnam troops will attack this unfortunate China from all sides and scraps from China will fly through the back streets ..
      1. ftgad
        ftgad 2 July 2016 19: 16
        0
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        Yes, at the command "face", NATO-US-Japan-India-Vietnam troops will attack this unfortunate China from all sides and scraps from China will fly through the back streets.

        and about the same "scenario", but with the Russian Federation. somehow discard
      2. demiurg
        demiurg 2 July 2016 19: 23
        0
        If NATO will fight with the Russian Federation, then in the next years 700-800 no one will need new territories. Everyone will beat on everyone.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 19: 16
      +1
      "NATO will fight" - only in this case NATO will disappear within 20 minutes - no matter how, but several hundred warheads, all their forces, will completely "subdue"
  24. weksha50
    weksha50 2 July 2016 19: 01
    +2
    "Who will guarantee that Delhi will not have its hands untied and that they will not attack China in response to aggression against Russia? "...

    I read up to this point, and said to myself: "Ostap suffered" ... But I had to read to the end ...

    I myself always say to myself that - despite the fact that the SI said that we (Russia and China) can create such a joint bloc that no NATO can defeat it, _ China must be treated very carefully (!!!). ..

    But then the author in general - and Delhi wrote for us ... And Mikhalkov (whom I myself dislike) accused of the scenario of China's victory over Russia ... The author of this issue of "Besogon" looked and listened badly ... Nikita immediately dissociated himself from authorship this version, and presented it to the audience-audience ...

    The picture, of course, looks scary and unsightly ... However, the article was written according to Goebbels type: a little bit of truth, then a little bit of lies ...

    In the article, I agree with some facts, and against some facts - against ... The article is definitely a minus ... Populism and horror stories are already tired, but sound realism - oh, as necessary ...
  25. The comment was deleted.
  26. Chisayna
    Chisayna 2 July 2016 19: 09
    -2
    In addition to p-metal ores, China took some more deposits to develop, gold, coal, etc. China needs Tuva, as the former territory of China and as a convenient place, in the underbelly of Russia. Nearby are Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, and S-Sh hydroelectric power stations.
  27. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 2 July 2016 19: 15
    +6
    What, to the warp, is the war between the Russian Federation and China? fool The author - why smoked something? The Chinese do not know how to fight, they lost almost all the wars. They even small Vietnam at one time wrote lyuley for the most I can not! Enough with provocations!
    PS Here, if all of a sudden, you do not need to use atomic weapons. Enough cruise missiles to embed on some dams laughing Local Exterminatus Guaranteed hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 19: 32
      +2
      "What, to the warp, is the war between the Russian Federation and China?" And here HZ - as an example, two years ago and no one had any thoughts that the war in Donbass would begin - the war was never planned, it always starts suddenly - today is phantasmagoric delirium, and tomorrow is a harsh reality.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 3 July 2016 05: 57
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        the war has never been planned, it always starts suddenly

        Of course, I wildly apologize, but war is ALWAYS a planned event, wars do not occur spontaneously, they are secretly planned and prepared. Another thing is that not everyone is dedicated to these plans. hi
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 3 July 2016 16: 10
          0
          I meant those who are being attacked.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 2 July 2016 19: 51
      +2
      Quote: Darth Revan
      The Chinese do not know how to fight, they lost almost all the wars


      A very common and dangerous phrase ... Wars were lost for a very long time ... Life goes on, everything changes ...

      Yes, they alone can fill up corpses with tanks and infantry, for them it is pah ...

      Do not underestimate the potential adversary (which is now spoken of as a friend) - so you can be beaten ...
      1. 73bor
        73bor 2 July 2016 23: 27
        0
        That's what they fought so long ago that they don’t remember how it is done, and the main thing in experience in this business!
  28. AID.S
    AID.S 2 July 2016 19: 19
    +1
    Who expected a downed Su-24 from Turkey? (although the Turks previously accused us of violating the border)
    A guarantee from such a scenario can only be own forces and equal mutually beneficial friendly relations.
  29. The comment was deleted.
  30. Vivan
    Vivan 2 July 2016 19: 19
    +4
    I think that in the next 10-15 years, China will not start a war against Russia. So far, China is not ready for a major war against such a large country as Russia. He must first take over Taiwan and most of Southeast Asia. The goals here are 2: a) to give the army the opportunity to train for the next, already large, war with Russia, and b) to secure access to the oceans, as well as a reliable way to transport oil from the Middle East.
    After Southeast Asia, China will think about Russia, or rather, Siberia, rich in natural resources.
    However, the success of China in Southeast Asia largely depends on the degree of US involvement in the affairs of this region.
    If the US remains on the sidelines, then China, having captured Southeast Asia, can turn its main forces to the north - to Russia. Or maybe it will go further to Indonesia and Australia, in which case the United States must intervene. And Russia will be out of the game, which the United States, of course, will not wish.
    If the United States from the very beginning will help Southeast Asian countries fight against China (and depending on the situation they can take a direct part in the war), then China may abandon the idea of ​​seizing Southeast Asia and go to Russia, which the United States will be happy with. However, such a scenario is possible: China, being unsure of its strength, will not go to Russia, which should cause disappointment in Washington.

    PS. These days, Vietnam is in suspense waiting for decisions of the international court in The Hague. With a very high probability it can be assumed that the court will declare China's claims on 80% of the South China Sea area illegal. With this turn of events, China could exit UNCLOS and show strength. Most likely the victim will be Vietnam. The latter, seemingly being in “peace, friendship and close cooperation” with China, continues to flirt with America, and Beijing does not like it. And Washington does not like Vietnam, which only speaks beautiful words to it, and practically does nothing to deepen relations. Perhaps Washington wants China’s attack on Vietnam so that the latter will finally take its side.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 19: 37
      -1
      The US fleet will destroy the Chinese, if all of a sudden - the forces are very unequal.
  31. The comment was deleted.
  32. Chisayna
    Chisayna 2 July 2016 19: 20
    +1
    Today is 10. The minions took up combat duty in southern Siberia. In Khakassia, and Khakassia borders on Tuva. And obviously, not from the Kara Sea, a threat will come.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 2 July 2016 19: 51
      +4
      In 2008, our troops were withdrawn from the Chinese border as much as 200 km. Who was indignant, they say, the country is being handed over piece by piece ... but I think that they did the right thing. Troops (massive) there (on the border) have nothing to do in our time. There, not only are thirty-fours buried in caponiers to this day, but the corresponding landmines (a la Kuz'kina's mother) lie with the wind rose. So it was, so it is, and it will be so ... Therefore, even in our most disgusting years, the PLA stood at the places of deployment and now stands and will remain. But the traders, "tangerines", fixers - they already got it - they filled it !!!
  33. avva2012
    avva2012 2 July 2016 19: 25
    0
    China, the next superpower, after USA
    If ours will allow. Considering Dima-iPhone, in the chairpersons, alas, it is possible. "Friends", in any case have to.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 19: 41
      0
      Of course, you have to be friends, but what to do, all the same, China is one of the largest importers of our raw materials.
  34. fa2998
    fa2998 2 July 2016 19: 36
    0
    Quote: Rus2012
    ... but it’s you in vain. Most likely, the nuclear forces of the PRC will sum up with the Russians against common enemies ...

    Yes, in principle, I agree with you, you need to be friends with them, and it is better against others! It’s just that the article discusses the POSSIBLE aggression of China! I have already said that China probably knows that Russia will not be trifled with anything! yes hi
  35. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 2 July 2016 19: 37
    +2
    It was necessary to publish such nonsense.
  36. The comment was deleted.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 19: 52
      +1
      They will die from radiation, but from burning chemical plants, which are more than one hundred thousand in China, they will definitely take a break.
  37. Berkut24
    Berkut24 2 July 2016 19: 43
    +2
    Quote: weksha50
    "Who will guarantee that Delhi will not have its hands untied and that they will not attack China in response to aggression against Russia? "...

    I also precipitated at this place. India also lacks territories or resources?
    1. excomandante
      excomandante 2 July 2016 20: 01
      +2
      Right! The whole world knows the aggressive creeps of Hindus!
  38. Monarchist
    Monarchist 2 July 2016 19: 45
    0
    The article is clearly provocative and it is not the first, but RNTV loves writing. At one time, I. Prokopenko carefully looked at the RNTV program and every time there was a feeling of hopelessness: our Armed Forces are backward, our politicians are lame (this happens), the United States must be ceded, and our leaders are slow-witted. And here on the forum, too, hints slip: the USA fought in Damansky? England and America have always been allies, and now because of the Crimea ... The Sultan has always been peace-loving, and now ... Everywhere a subtle thought: BB will leave, but we will suffer and return Crimea, and even the Kuril Islands, maybe Uncle Sam will forgive. I think noticed such hints
  39. tolian
    tolian 2 July 2016 19: 50
    0
    The author, similar articles about China, like something negative about the Republic of Belarus, is a clear provocation. And I do not think that your stupidity. But by order of someone - it’s very similar. There are many of you like Sytin and others like him here who are yanking. Hey specialists, look what kind of audience this is.
  40. ML-334
    ML-334 2 July 2016 19: 55
    0
    China understands that besides Russia no one will stand up for him, he does not have friends. Russia, however, joined in the years of the Second World War and the Chinese did not have Mao, who spent time in the USSR, was a national hero. The Chinese are too pragmatic to take risks.
  41. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 2 July 2016 19: 56
    +7
    Gentlemen, this kind of fabrication has been roaming the web for a long time. About 6 or 7 years ago, I happened to read an article authored by a certain Alexander Khramchikhin, in which this author frightened just by the Chinese attack during the New Year holidays, the capture of Khabarovsk, the interception of the Trans-Siberian ... After a little searching for information about this author, I found mentions that he had assured in early August 2008 that Georgia would not attack South Ossetia. I suppose there is no need to remind how realistic this forecast was. So, of course, it is not necessary to take panicky "forecasts" regarding military operations with China seriously. The PLA is undoubtedly a rather dangerous adversary for any armed forces on the territory of Eurasia, but the fears are more likely not a military threat, but a potential economic expansion from the PRC towards the Far East.
  42. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 2 July 2016 19: 58
    +7
    The Chinese have captured Damansky Island and are very proud of it. They even built a memorial museum there, which shows how they repelled the "Soviet invasion". This is what they use to teach their youth. And we have only pink snot and drooling about "partnership", "friends", "allies". The expansion of the Chinese is already under way. Only stupid people and idiots do not see this. And normal soldiers and officers have long been saying that it is necessary to prepare.
    "Yesterday I told how Damansky Island looks now and that the Chinese have built a museum on it. I will give photographs of this museum from several Chinese sources, because Damansky Island is now a military-administrative zone of the PRC, and Russians and other foreigners cannot go there. to get there, but they drag their tourists there, as it was written in one of the Chinese blogs: "So that the Chinese people do not forget their history and remember the feat on the Precious Island" (this is the name of Damansky Island by the Chinese).
    The channel dividing the main coast of the PRC and Damansky Island "
  43. excomandante
    excomandante 2 July 2016 20: 00
    0
    The author watched the film "Through the Gobi and Khingan", put it on his worldview, and now - it worked.)))
  44. Yak28
    Yak28 2 July 2016 20: 09
    +1
    What China has is human resources (the bulk of which is illiterate poverty working for a plate of rice), which are perfectly destroyed by weapons of mass destruction, China also has a mountain of outdated equipment and a few nuclear charges on obsolete carriers, which are significantly inferior to Russian in power. Also, China Japan and Vietnam have quite tense relations with China. Even if NATO and China attack Russia, then China will not live in any situation. Therefore, the Chinese will sit and not jerk. China is happy that it borders on Russia , and so the Americans would have crushed it for a long time
  45. stas
    stas 2 July 2016 20: 13
    0
    Nuclear weapons will reconcile everyone, because otherwise there will be no winners.
  46. Chisayna
    Chisayna 2 July 2016 20: 15
    -3
    Especially for the Gop with a bow, it’s the Coffin with Cross 1. China has long been in Tuva, and this is the former territory of China. Now there are not many (Chinese) there. But, they will slowly accumulate. In Tuva, the start is from Sh-GES. There is a very convenient place, look on the map.
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 2 July 2016 20: 28
      +3
      In Moscow, there was no trace of Uzbeks or Tajiks before, now even the Caucasians have lost this good in bulk among them and no longer cause their former irritation, so judging by your logic, Moscow is slowly moving away to Uzbekistan or Tajikistan winkEnough decree from above and within a couple of days any city will be clean of unwanted guests from any country
    2. Coffin Cross1
      Coffin Cross1 2 July 2016 20: 36
      +1
      This is what you me, decided to please that there are China accumulating. I once served on the Chinese border. And you, the Chinasians, have given Mama the teeth in Damansky. If it weren’t for * tutka-politics, he would still be ours. Well, if, kitayozy, you climb, I hope you wash yourself with blood and choke. We are fewer than you, but we will try to break the ridge. Why, our ancestors were like that. They beat you, the Chinese, in Siberia and the Far East. God willing, and we will continue to beat Chisain.
      PS As I understand it, is Chisayn's China-a goof in your opinion? So we will drive these goblin in Siberia and in China!
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 July 2016 20: 47
        +2
        Quote: Coffin Cross1
        Chinosa Chisayna

        - YYYYYYYYY laughing laughing laughing
        - The coffin ... you are a tree ... my compliments fellow
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 2 July 2016 20: 51
          +1
          Moreover, it is not known which tree, oak, or any other.
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. Coffin Cross1
              Coffin Cross1 2 July 2016 21: 23
              -1
              Oak coffin is power. Our ancestors kept them in the attics. They treated oak coffins with great respect. Princes, counts, boyars lie in them. Some still lie. And nothing, protects the oak. So I consider this as a compliment.
  47. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 July 2016 20: 22
    +4
    What war has China won over the past hundred years? Do they have a positive experience of conducting large-scale wars? Then they "jumped" to Vietnam, so they cut off the sickly ones, and, according to reports, the Militia fought from Vietnam! The regular troops were not involved!
    And then you have tactical nuclear weapons, and strategic ones, but one blow on the dam in the Three Gorges - and 150 million of the population washes away into the South China Sea.
    Nobody will shoot "in the leg", but creeping annexation in the form of resettlement, etc. should be stopped slowly, but firmly.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 21: 10
      0
      Do you offer a quota for Chinese gastrobayters, with payment - to enter for a stay in Russia?
  48. Chisayna
    Chisayna 2 July 2016 20: 36
    0
    A blow to the SSH-HPP for Russia will have the same consequences.
  49. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 2 July 2016 20: 40
    0
    Why do I whale us to fight a nuclear power - just like the Americans - that I didn’t hear that anyone who has nuclear weapons was attacked even though they don’t have enough - all politicians are inflating the war tanks planes here will not help against the hydrogen bomb we were in the worst situation before the Americans, and they didn’t attack us — under the guise of war, all politicians are knocking out the defense budget or increasing their rating — so that people will only suffer from this without work and without money, as the deputies say - for them people will eat less and they they will throw money abroad, they don’t set themselves an example, but they could show all their stolen money invested in defense or a decent pension
  50. SPB.RU
    SPB.RU 2 July 2016 20: 49
    -2
    For more than 20 years, China has been scaring us, it’s no longer interesting ...