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A few words about Stalin and his place in the history of Russia

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The last year there are such events that you want to express yourself. So I am here a little bit naughty, and you really do not judge strictly. Or judge, but this is the opinion.


So it turns out that I am not a monarchist, not a Communist, so, from the side of the stool. But I’m not only eating into my head, and therefore I can quite make a couple of conclusions and state them quite clearly. Compared with Klitschko - and in general a genius in kind.

What, exactly, so excited me to write this opinion? And they prompted historical events, renaming, discoveries, and so on.

They gave the name Akhmat Kadyrov to St. Petersburg bridge. Well, gave - well. Kadyrov Sr. - a uniquely unique person, though utterly controversial. But the beginning of the end of the war put, definitely for a good cause died. And it is wonderful that the son continued the work and actually completed it. How and at what price is a completely different matter, which is a bit early to touch. Here the result is important. The result is that the Russians stopped dying in Chechnya, and at least for that both Kadyrov’s gratitude and appreciation.

We go further. We drank the center of memory of Boris The money was obviously more painful than the name of the Kadyrov bridge. Question: why? Evaluating the activities of this “figure” today, the only decent thing he did in two of his terms was to dump Putin and put him in his place. The rest, I'm sorry, you know. A sort of king Midas contrary. That one touched, turned into gold, well, and Borisok ...

And what are they broadcasting in this center, if you believe Mikhalkov (and I believe)? The fact that only under Yeltsin, Russia got rid of the shackles of slavery and found freedom. Well, I do not know what freedom we were then presented on a silver platter. As for me, so is the freedom to be deceived, swindled, and so on. From government officials to thousands of businessmen and businessmen who suddenly appear.

However, the center was rebuilt, the foundation of the name of the eternally booted president is working, everything is fine. They canonized, in general.

By the way, to the question of canonization. I am not in church terms. I'm in the mundane. Although the church can touch.

Take the same Nikolai Romanov, the latter. Now - the holy martyr Nikolai Romanov. That the martyr will not argue. About holiness, not sure at all. Here, by definition, everything is clear.

Holy is a person, especially honored in various religions for holiness, piety, righteousness, steadfast confession of faith, intercession before God for people.

A Muchenik is a person who is being persecuted and / or has died for denying, preaching, or refusing to renounce his religious or secular views. Most martyrs are worshiped by followers or even considered holy, becoming a symbol of heroism and courage.

And where is Romanov? Where is his holiness? You can also keep silent about secular affairs, but one war would be successfully lost, you would lose the second one, and managed to merge the whole country to a handful of Bolsheviks, quite a Jewish bottling.

But - the holy martyr. Galling (by definition). Although the year 1905 might have improved the question differently. Although what's the difference now?

In general, who wants to honor - no problem. Even with distortions. Even if it is impossible for a statesman to go with a portrait of Romanov to a march in honor of our victorious warriors in the Great Patriotic War is also not a question. Everyone is crazy about Russia from time immemorial.

But like this, we have canonization. Crooked, if for me.

And speaking of holiness, it’s still necessary to figure out who is holier, loser-king, who lost the country, president-loser, who miraculously did not lose (yes, they are similar, fact) or private Ivanov, who died in the morning of 22 June 1941. Or Sergeant Petrov, the last war and who died during the assault on the Reichstag 30 in April 1945.

The question, of course, difficult. Although I personally gave him an answer to it, and gave it for quite some time.

But back to the point for which everything started.

Definitely today the pendulum stories swung the other way. Democratic mold and Western ideals are slowly beginning to be removed from organisms by natural means. Spoiled, so to speak.

And, as Joseph Vissarionovich predicted in his time, the wind of history will blow garbage from the graves. Well, not blown away, but blows away slowly. Museum in the Tver region, a monument in the Mari ...

The call to repentance in our country is not a new matter. We were very often called upon to repent before the whole world. Behind the ruined Poles, Germans, Western Ukrainians, Balts ... Sometimes it seemed that we were guilty in a crowd before the whole world.

It seems to me that it is time to repent to a single person. A person who dragged the terrible eeriness of that war on his shoulders and, I emphasize separately, left nothing behind. No centers, no funds, no accounts in banks abroad.

For me personally, the history of the Stalin Prize is indicative. Yes, she was small. Not like Lenin, which paid the CPSU, and especially the State. The prize went entirely from Stalin's pocket. From his fees for published materials (including abroad) and from the salary. Indeed, why should the salary of a person sitting on two posts and being on state support?

And the prize was given not as a Nobel Prize. And for the specific case in the field of science, technology and art. Today it is necessary to suffer the Internet weakly in order to understand who and for what got this unfortunate Nobel Prize.

And the "Stalin"? A record holder, a seven-time winner, Sergey Ilyushin, needs internet surfing? And sixfold? Prokofiev (composer), Yakovlev, Mikoyan, Gurevich, Simonov (writer). Nobel (later) Kapitsa laureates (twice) and Lurie (three times).

Now, of course, those who have a bearded Solzhenitsker instead of an icon hanging on a wall instead of an icon, will curse in bad voices. What about repression? In which 100 killed millions of people? How about them?

Well, I once heard enough of this demobilization so much that I developed immunity, that the armor of the battleship. From the groans of the crunch of the French loaf to the fact that under Hitler we would all live in Germany today and drive a Mercedes.

Yes, would not live exactly. This is understandable today, thank God, to all normal people. Slaughtered everyone, leaving as much as needed to meet in the labor force. This is also common knowledge. They repressed - yes, and in my relatives there were both those who stayed and did not return. But, as a person who is well aware of the history of his family, I can see that two of the relatives did not return from the camps, and the front took 28. My great-grandfather had a 11 in the family, of course, where such figures come from. Plus about two hundred more Leningraders. Three branches lived there, one person survived the blockade.

What is the point? The essence of all this is that we historically need symbols and examples. And with this apparent bias. Therefore, in life, everything is not smooth in the country. Not those landmarks. Not yet. Need to change.

And it is best to start with the nearest. From the nearest. From a person whose name is really bypassed, although his service to the country is enormous. Invaluable? Maybe. So, we must evaluate. And give merit.

It seems to me that this, too, is all from the evil one. That is, from the enemy of our common. Imposing in the form of moral and moral examples of people who are not in any way. That Yeltsin, to whom the West turned, as he wanted, through his merchants, that Romanov, who is also not without sin in this regard. But they have one thing in common: they did not do anything for the good of the country.

But those who really built a great country, it does not matter, Russia or the USSR, for some reason, it is quietly accepted to bypass. Why? Yes, probably because. No one needs a strong Russia. Moreover, it is dangerous.

Did Stalin build a great union? Built by And built. And from the Romanov dynasty, I will also give an example. The father of the unfortunate king, Alexander the Third. Who would argue that under Alexander the Peacemaker Russia did not soar to the highest level of the political Olympus, he simply does not know the history. And the economic recovery was unprecedented.

In order for Russia to truly become the Russia that the whole world is looking at in the future, it is necessary to change priorities. First in the heads. Then in the ranks. It is necessary to clean. Yes, today the process is already running. We must continue. Fight for the concepts in their heads, and for making decisions on the ground. Need to say why?

Because it is vital that both through 10 and 50 in years there are enough people in Russia who think not only about their account in a Swiss bank. Which will delight in Stalin, and not in Yeltsin. And you need to learn your future today. Although actually it was necessary the day before yesterday, but this is all in Russian. Fine.

But it is necessary to learn by examples of strong people, which in our history abound. Including it is necessary to finally remove the historical garbage from the grave of Stalin.

Then there will be Russia. Strong and strong.

In our time, it is not customary to reckon with the weak - they are only considered strong.
(J. V. Stalin, "Report to the XVII Congress of the Party on the Work of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.)" T.13, page.302.)
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  1. RUSS
    RUSS 1 July 2016 12: 57
    -203%
    "You can't wash a black dog to white"
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 1 July 2016 13: 05
      +132
      Are you talking about, friend? Really about Yeltsin?
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        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 13: 23
          -180%
          Take the same Nikolai Romanov, the latter. Now - the holy martyr Nikolai Romanov. That the martyr will not argue. About holiness, not sure at all. Here, by definition, everything is clear.
          For this minus.
          a bunch of Bolsheviks is quite a Jewish bottling.
          For this is a plus.
          loser
          Oh, flowed
          The prize went entirely from Stalin’s pocket.
          It turns out Stalin was a rich man wassat
          It seems to me that the time comes to repent before a single person.
          Go see you, good luck!
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 1 July 2016 14: 46
            +122
            Usually folk wisdom in the estimates of the country's leaders is very accurately reflected in jokes.

            Here is a magnificent folk joke about Stalin of the Soviet period of our homeland.

            At the Tehran Conference, Roosevelt and Churchill decided to show off over Stalin. They agreed before the next meeting to humiliate the leader of the USSR with their questions.
            Churchill says:
            “I dreamed today that I became Lord of the World!” fellow
            “But I dreamed,” said Roosevelt, “that I became Lord of the Universe!” fellow fellow And what did you dream about, Marshal Stalin? repeat
            “But I dreamed,” Stalin answered leisurely, “that I did not confirm either you, Mr. Churchill, or you, Mr. Roosevelt.” laughing laughing laughing
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 1 July 2016 15: 13
              +79
              Or here's another great Soviet folk joke about Stalin.

              Zhukov in Stalin’s office. Stalin's secretary Poskrebyshev enters:
              - Joseph Vissarionovich, Mr. Chercell is asking you for a phone call.
              Stalin picks up the phone:
              - Nat.
              - Nat.
              - Nat.
              - Yes.
              - Nat.
              Hangs up.
              Zhukov asks:
              - Joseph Vissarionovich, you refused Churchill in everything, but once you still said “Yes” ...
              Stalin:
              “He asked me if I can hear him well.”
              1. 2s1122
                2s1122 1 July 2016 17: 04
                +47
                It would be nice if the current leaders had a conversation with the West in that direction.
                1. russkiy redut
                  russkiy redut 1 July 2016 22: 11
                  +9
                  The Slavs must unite in front of the world ruling class! And remember your History and ancestors!
                  1. nnz226
                    nnz226 2 July 2016 22: 28
                    +7
                    And what Slavs do you mean ?! Bulgarians, "brothers" who were saved from being cut out by the Turks in 1877? And where were they in 2 World Wars? On the side of Russia's enemies! Where now?! With a joyful squeal, NATO rushed! By the way, the rest (except for the Serbs) are Slavs in the same place in NATO. About psheks: generally speaking back to the Romans with their phrase about the dead: either bad or nothing ... Now the Ukrainians from the brotherly people are smoothly crawling into the state of dill gidnyuk, but later (history shows) "enlightenment in the mind" may come. , when the participants of the gallops and marches with portraits of Bandera and other bastards will be in Kolyma for 30 years each ...
                    1. goose
                      goose 4 July 2016 10: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: nnz226
                      And what Slavs do you mean ?! Bulgarians - "brothers" who were saved from being cut out by the Turks in 1877

                      Steamed. They have a royal family - Germans, actually from the Habsburg clan. Who else could they send for war for? Only for Germany or Austria-Hungary.
                2. Army soldier2
                  Army soldier2 2 July 2016 01: 04
                  +26
                  Thank you Roman! I got pleasure from reading the article. I agree with your approach.
                3. 97110
                  97110 3 July 2016 10: 27
                  0
                  Quote: 2s1122
                  It would be nice if the current leaders had a conversation with the West in that direction.

                  But father do you mean?
                4. olegyurjewitch
                  olegyurjewitch 3 July 2016 13: 33
                  +5
                  Quote: 2s1122
                  It would be nice if the current leaders had a conversation with the West in that direction.

                  Quote: 2s1122
                  It would be nice if the current leaders had a conversation with the West in that direction.

                  The shitty was General Secretary Brezhnev, but at the same time, the shitty general secretary, the whole country was in hand, industry was spinning its gears, without any trouble, they put on clothes, put on shoes, let them not get into foreign horror, but you won’t get into your own. Heavy industry, machine tool industry, where is IT?
                  There are many questions. And what are the development of our military? We still use developments from the times of the USSR "Amethysts" are still on boats.
                  I would not be surprised that the Malachites remained.
                  With the West, dialogue must be conducted showing muscles!
                  And constantly remind the lessons of HISTORY.
                  We are a self-sufficient nation! We don’t need an alien, but we won’t give up our own!
                  There is a saying that all peoples have one - "Try to break a twig, try to break a broom!
                  BEAT IN THE OPENED HAND, it’s not enough. Come across a fist, a bruise! wink
                  1. b5252
                    b5252 4 July 2016 11: 07
                    0
                    Under Brezhnev, the delivery of positions and the decay of the partite began. Although in fact the Union then won the Cold War, look at Fursov’s speeches on this topic, but the Dnepropetrovsk clan merged everything unfortunately.
            2. navigator
              navigator 1 July 2016 22: 48
              +47
              Quote: Tatiana
              Usually folk wisdom in the estimates of the country's leaders is very accurately reflected in jokes.


              In addition to jokes, there are also facts. Here are a few about Emperor Alexander III.

              1) Once, on the Afghan border, a Cossack esaul intercepted a group of smugglers with his squadron, among whom were two English officers. As usual, smugglers were shot for violating the border, smuggling, and armed resistance to the authorities, but a hitch came out with the English and the Yesaul, thinking, decided to flog them with whips in the Cossack custom, and let them go.

              The British, instead of bashfully shutting up, outraged by such violence, filed reports and complaints on the command that reached Queen Victoria, who sent Alexander III a protest note in which, in an ultimatum, threatening to declare war, demanded to punish Yesaul with the Cossacks and apologize to the offended British crown.

              The Russian emperor ordered:
              1. Do not apologize to the English throne!
              2. To the decisive Yesaul send a personalized Imperial telegram: "I congratulate you Colonel! If they had hung, they would have been a general. Alexander."
              3. To publish this telegram in all Russian newspapers.

              Alexander III spoke with the Austrian ambassador at the Winter Palace during a big lunch. At this very time, there was another Austro-Russian conflict in the Balkans. The Austrian ambassador spoke irritably, and at the end of the conversation he threatened that Austria could mobilize two or three corps against Russia. Alexander, without saying anything, took the fork, bent it with a noose and threw it towards the Austrian ambassador:

              “That's what I will do with your two or three mobilized corps,” the Russian emperor calmly said.

              Alexander III was resting in the park on a day off and was fishing when he was told that the ambassadors of the European powers were seeking his audience without prior agreement. To this the Tsar responded with this famous phrase, which was conveyed to the ambassadors: "While the Russian Tsar is fishing, Europe can wait."
              1. goose
                goose 4 July 2016 10: 48
                +3
                As S. Yu. Witte wrote, “Emperor Alexander III, having received Russia at the confluence of the most unfavorable political conditions, deeply raised the international prestige of Russia without spilling a drop of Russian blood”

                Every time a king appeared who had priority in the development of the country, he succeeded, and very quickly, literally in 30 years. So was Paul I. The most important thing is not to get involved in big wars.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2016 14: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: goose
                  As S. Yu. Witte wrote ...

                  Here are the words of Comptroller Peter Schwanebach: “The transition to gold circulation was accomplished mainly through the accumulation of gold by foreign loans. And to maintain such success could only be new loans. In the end, what happened? The gold reserve of the empire was large. Gold security of the Russian ruble was with a reserve and amounted to about 120%. However, gold went to the West, and there was not enough finance for lending to the national industry. As a result, the Russian Empire was never able to make the industrial breakthrough that was necessary in order to remain in the club of great powers and maintain independence. The Russian Empire gradually turned into a financial and economic semi-colony of the West and provided soldiers who, in the interests of England and France, were killed hundreds of thousands in battles with Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey. The financial stranglehold became a prerequisite that forced Russia to get involved in a war that it did not need.
              2. b5252
                b5252 4 July 2016 11: 08
                0
                Remarkable facts, the Tsar was actually a hero, it is a pity that he left early, but the heir was an order of magnitude weaker.
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          3. vsoltan
            vsoltan 1 July 2016 16: 46
            +32
            Romanov

            Alexander, why are you always joking on the air? Skomorokhov (Banshee) wrote an excellent article, and this can be seen in the rating of the article. ... as well as the rating of your comment.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 17: 45
              -43%
              Quote: vsoltan
              Alexander, why are you always joking on the air?

              If he would write an excellent article, I would put a plus, and so a minus. Or do you think that everyone should think like you?
              1. My doctor
                My doctor 1 July 2016 18: 25
                +11
                Alexander fight with windmills? The crowd will not understand throws tomatoes.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                If he would write an excellent article, I would put a plus, and so a minus. Or do you think that everyone should think like you?

                The article is positive, although the Stalinists as well as the anti-Stalinists cause me squeamishness and both worship the cult of personality, although each in his own way to the best of his abilities. But here, unlike other statues, there are no attempts to deify him, but it is just said that Stalin was the leader in an important, critical period for the country. In the period to which there will always be close attention, and if it is always presented in black, then the attitude to the whole of Russian history will be similar. Plus article for citing the example of other rulers in a positive context.
                1. CALL.
                  CALL. 2 July 2016 16: 11
                  +12
                  The article is positive, although the Stalinists as well as the anti-Stalinists cause me squeamishness and both worship the cult of personality, although each in his own way to the best of his abilities.

                  Everything is simple. Based on an understanding of the events of today, the communists of that time can be conditionally divided into the Maydanites (Leninists - Trotskyists) and the anti-Maidans (Stalinists). Since then, nothing has changed in the methods of the Anglo-Saxon elites to seize power in the country with its subsequent robbery. But the Stalinists prevented them from doing so. It is on them that the persecution of the entire power of the media satanists and their masters goes.
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 2 July 2016 10: 52
                +14
                You have an overestimated self-esteem, Romanov.
              3. olegyurjewitch
                olegyurjewitch 3 July 2016 13: 39
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                . Or do you think everyone should think like you?

                Well, everyone should think like you?
          4. Dam
            Dam 1 July 2016 17: 26
            +36
            It may not be accepted at VO, but I’ll say: Mr. Romanov, before this comment, I had a much higher opinion of your IQ.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 17: 38
              +8
              he will send you novels to ignore now, this is his favorite way of fighting
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 17: 46
              -33%
              Quote: Damm
              I had a much higher opinion of your IQ.

              I am an anti-communist hi
              1. excomandante
                excomandante 1 July 2016 19: 07
                +35
                No, you are an anti-realist.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 19: 38
                  +2
                  Yes, no realist, because of the dispute over Nicolaška, he did this to me a year and a half ago
                  1. excomandante
                    excomandante 1 July 2016 20: 40
                    +12
                    Sensible monarchists, the same grand pr. Alexander Mikhailovich, treated Stalin with the greatest respect. The reference to monarchism does not justify the violation of logical thinking.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 22: 00
                      -4
                      Quote: excomandante
                      Sensible monarchists, the same grand pr. Alexander Mikhailovich, treated Stalin with the greatest respect.
                      What are you doing?
                      1. excomandante
                        excomandante 2 July 2016 11: 38
                        0
                        To the truth, of course, to sanity. Not available?
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 11: 52
                        -3
                        I all did not understand one thing: what does the opinion of the Grand Duke about Stalin have to do with our Romanov argument?
                  2. Weyland
                    Weyland 1 July 2016 22: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: excomandante
                    The reference to monarchism does not justify the violation of logical thinking.


                    You have the logic of the problem! Romanov hi He wrote that a minus article for insulting St. Nicholas 2nd hi and not for Stalin!
                    And rightly so - if not for the then liberalists (Kerensky, Guchkov, Milyukov) am , PMV we would definitely win!
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                    2. excomandante
                      excomandante 2 July 2016 11: 41
                      0
                      How hard is it to be wooden? Russia shamefully lost the war, like the Russo-Japanese one, the decomposition of the army by the liberals was much more effective than the later decomposition of the Bolsheviks, the army was incapable. Do you just like to be an acephalus?
                    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 11: 54
                      -2
                      Quote: excomandante
                      , the decomposition of the army by the liberals was much more effective than the later decomposition of the Bolsheviks

                      but don’t find today's attitude to the army of modern liberals similar to their predecessors
                    4. Weyland
                      Weyland 2 July 2016 18: 21
                      0
                      Quote: excomandante
                      Russia shamefully lost the war, like the Russo-Japanese one, the decomposition of the army by the liberals was much more effective than the later decomposition of the Bolsheviks, the army was incapable


                      Read less Bolshevik slanderers - and more, for example, Churchill's memoirs! The full train ... with the shells was in 1915, and by the end of the 16th we were already confidently winning - a large-scale offensive was planned for the spring of the 17th! But alas: we began to win when the Emperor removed his stupid uncle from the post of commander in chief fool am and he began to command himself; as a result, he corrected the situation at the front, but he missed in the rear ...
                      A decomposition of the army by the liberals am started after their coming to power and idiotic fool orders for democracy in the army!
                    5. your1970
                      your1970 4 July 2016 01: 07
                      -1
                      "And the decomposition of the army by the liberals began after they came to power and the idiotic orders for democracy in the army!" - that is, the day before that the army was flint, order number 1 was read and that's all, immediately jelly-and not the army ????? !!!! fool fool stop
                      the army began to decompose almost from the first day of the war, when it turned out: there were no guns, no shells, no crackers, no planes, no communications, no rifles, most importantly - no order.This decomposes any army much faster than any agitation of any agitators ....
                      Anecdote of the times of WWII:
                      Germany
                      -the train leaves at 16-58.
                      Why so sure?
                      -war...
                      Russia
                      -train? either today or tomorrow in the evening ..
                      Why so?
                      -war....
                    6. goose
                      goose 4 July 2016 11: 00
                      0
                      Quote: Weyland
                      The full train ... with the shells was in 1915, and by the end of the 16th we were already confidently winning - a large-scale offensive was planned for the spring of the 17th!

                      You studied memoirs in isolation from real historical facts. F *** with shells was still with Russian-Japanese. And it was caused by 4 reasons: 1. Few factories and poorly equipped. 2. The existing plants sat without orders until the war. 3. The peacetime stockpiles on the gun were unjustifiably underestimated threefold. 4. During the war, orders were transferred for kickbacks to private owners for 200% of the price and with worse quality than at state-owned factories. Private owners were covered by both the tsar and the Grand Dukes.

                      After the Russian-Japanese army command made the proper conclusions about the reasons for the weakness of field artillery. An urgent program was adopted, and it was given the highest priority. And then ... almost nothing has been done in 10 years, the amount of work under the program did not exceed 15% due to underfunding. At the same time, 2 Austin armored cars were bought in England at the price of a cruiser.
                      During the REV there were no liberals, on the contrary there was unity, desire and the ability to fight, and the result was deplorable. There were simply no cannons, shells and machine guns. I would be extremely careful about the successes of the imperial army at the end of the war, the situation with weapons was changed from catastrophic to difficult due to the supplies of the allies, mainly. There was no large-scale militarization of the economy; gunpowder and shell plants did not increase.
                2. 97110
                  97110 3 July 2016 11: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Weyland
                  if it were not for the then liberalists (Kerensky, Guchkov, Milyukov), we would definitely win the WWII!

                  The then liberals would not have done the power of the tsar’s father, if not for the mediocre power of the tsar’s father. Did Porteren run Kerensky? Lensky execution commanded Milyukov? The execution of January 9 Guchkov? The story of Nikolai Alexandrovich is a sad set of accidents, starting with a Japanese saber hit on the head. The people of Russia are tired of the slurred power of NA, Rasputin, the German queen, endless failures, even with a good start. What can I say if I went to DENIAL (!), Under pressure from family members, army command. Who was to win the WORLD WAR there?
                3. b5252
                  b5252 4 July 2016 11: 12
                  0
                  That's right, if the Tsar leaves the front and goes to save the family, as a result, neither the family nor the country.
            3. Weyland
              Weyland 1 July 2016 22: 37
              +2
              Quote: excomandante
              The reference to monarchism does not justify the violation of logical thinking.


              You have the logic of the problem! Romanov hi He wrote that a minus article for insulting St. Nicholas 2nd hi and not for Stalin!
              And rightly so - if not for the then liberalists (Kerensky, Guchkov, Milyukov) am , PMV we would definitely win!
              1. goose
                goose 4 July 2016 11: 05
                0
                Quote: Weyland
                PMV we would definitely win!

                Entente, having three-fold superiority in the economy, 2-fold in people, and simply overwhelming in the fleet over the Central Powers?

                Victory was in the pocket with any level of management of the country, and with any government. Great honor !!! It was still necessary to manage to bring the army to decay.
          5. navigator
            navigator 1 July 2016 22: 38
            -2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Yes, no realist, because of the dispute over Nicolaška, he did this to me a year and a half ago


            No insults in any way, Vovka? Is the question with the form of appeal clear?
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 2 July 2016 01: 19
              +1
              Quote: navigator
              No insults in any way, Vovka? Is the question with the form of appeal clear?


              Plus! Only in vain you have it so tenderly - "Vovka". It is necessary to "Vovyonysh", etc. - since "Nikolashka" sounds much more offensive than "Vovka"!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 06: 33
                0
                Quote: Weyland
                since "Nikolashka"

                respect the traitors ?!
              2. Weyland
                Weyland 2 July 2016 18: 11
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                respect traitors


                Comrade, are you talking about?

                Emoticon definitely speak about my attitude to traitors:
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                would not the then liberalists (Kerensky, Guchkov, Milyukov) am ,
              3. Weyland
                Weyland 2 July 2016 18: 11
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                respect traitors


                Comrade, are you talking about?

                Emoticon definitely speak about my attitude to traitors:
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                would not the then liberalists (Kerensky, Guchkov, Milyukov) am ,
          6. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 06: 32
            +1
            but where is the insult ?!
            this statement of the truth of the novels could not refute me and found the most effective way - ignore
            1. navigator
              navigator 2 July 2016 08: 20
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              but where is the insult ?! This statement of the truth of the novels could not refute me and found the most effective way - ignore


              Ignore, because "communicating with a fool, you will not end up with shame, so send out Khayyam's advice. From the wise man and the poison offered by accept, from the hands of a fool, do not take balm." You can not respect, not read, why distort the name and write with a small letter, the last name, and, Vasilenko.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 08: 41
              0
              Quote: navigator
              chatting with a fool, you won’t turn shame

              Well, prove that Nikolashka did not betray his subjects
            3. navigator
              navigator 2 July 2016 08: 45
              -4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Well, prove that Nikolashka did not betray his subjects


              To stomp, it’s not for me, write the doc to the studio yet. And the proof is not to feed the horse. After all, you don’t need it, you would have to clash in the debate, to spoil the branch. Besides, after the lesson the name was spelled incorrectly. Therefore, ignore.
            4. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 09: 20
              0
              Quote: navigator
              And the evidence is not in horse feed

              Well, as always
              Quote: navigator
              You don’t need them

              Do they exist ?!
              Quote: navigator
              You would clash in a dispute, filthy branch

              Well, I can not surpass you
              Quote: navigator
              In addition, after the lesson, the name was again spelled incorrectly.

              you are not a teacher to give me lessons, so leave your lecture tone
              there are arguments to continue, and if not, then nothing to show off
            5. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 09: 39
              +2
              there are no aggregates, it remains only to set the cons, and why did you then start the dispute at all, you would blink silently
            6. navigator
              navigator 2 July 2016 10: 03
              0
              Even the word "ignore" is not clear, a difficult case. Minuses for rudeness.
            7. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 11: 26
              0
              Quote: navigator
              Even the word "ignore"

              Well, who is to blame for you, that you do not know the capabilities of the site
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    3. poquello
      poquello 2 July 2016 11: 58
      -1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Well, prove that Nikolashka did not betray his subjects

      and you put yourself in his place, and let's listen to your actions
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 12: 00
      +5
      Quote: poquello
      let's listen to your actions

      I'm in my place is not bad, but if he was crowned, then be responsible for the country and not hide for the children and wife.
      he threw the country in difficult times - he is a traitor
    5. poquello
      poquello 2 July 2016 12: 36
      -4
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Quote: poquello
      let's listen to your actions

      I'm in my place is not bad, but if he was crowned, then be responsible for the country and not hide for the children and wife.
      he threw the country in difficult times - he is a traitor

      time was no harder than civil or Great Patriotic War, and what should be the actions of the Emperor, knowing about the future big blood, IMHO Nikolai tried to find an alternative branch of events, but unsuccessfully
    6. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 12: 41
      +4
      Quote: poquello
      IMHO Nikolai tried to find an alternative branch of events, but unsuccessfully

      he tried the same thing, the liberal won’t even yell that he saved the country from the civil war
      Quote: poquello
      time was no harder than civil or WWII

      you forgot to mention that civil is a direct consequence of the abdication of nicholas
    7. poquello
      poquello 2 July 2016 13: 14
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      he tried the same thing, the liberal won’t even yell that he saved the country from the civil war

      Gorbachev in Foros was sitting when there was a civil probability.
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      you forgot to mention that civil is a direct consequence of the abdication of nicholas

      you lied about the "hardest time", events follow after and not before
    8. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 13: 18
      -1
      Quote: poquello
      you lied about the "hardest time", events follow after and not before

      I mean, at first the civil began, and after Nikolashka otreksSI ?!
      civilian just started in the absence of a single figure of trust, or at least for the majority of them
    9. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 July 2016 13: 41
      +4
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      in the sense, civilian first started and after nikolashka otreksi

      Firstly, if the abdication was, then he made it by being actually arrested and not having the opportunity to do anything.
      Secondly, there is doubt about whether there was a renunciation.
      The manifesto of renunciation is a typewritten text signed in pencil.
      None of the documents signed by the king has ever been signed in pencil before. The text was not printed on a special form, although there was a carriage in the royal train in which there were official seals and forms. In addition, there is no seal on the abdication manifesto and it is addressed to the chief of staff, who is generally unclear here.
      In general, a muddy story.
    10. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 13: 48
      -1
      Quote: Dart2027
      Firstly, if the abdication was, then he made it by being actually arrested and not having the opportunity to do anything.

      poor thing, but do not tell me what he did in the period from abdication to murder ?!
      maybe trying to take power in hand or something ?!
      maybe someone else from this damned family tried to do this ?!
      NOT!!!
      they all jerked off, and some in 41 also collaborated with the Nazis
    11. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 July 2016 14: 27
      +3
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      maybe tried to take power in hand or something

      Tried to. It was only when he arrived in Pskov that he was trapped by the conspirators. Nicholas II was not the most prominent of the kings, but do not hang all the dogs on him.
      For that matter, the version that Stalin was a victim of betrayal is very similar to the truth, and the murder of Beria is beyond doubt. But you can’t blame them for their lack of character.
    12. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: Dart2027
      Had tried

      yeah, like labeled in foros
    13. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 July 2016 17: 17
      +3
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      yeah, like labeled in foros

      That is, essentially no objections?
      For reference, the "marked" from the very beginning knew about everything, because he himself organized the Emergency Committee. The real goal was to create a pretext for the final destruction of the remnants of those who could do something to save the country. Gorbachev first gave the order to introduce an emergency, and then left for Foros, disowning everything. Unfortunately, it worked and the "conspirators" were simply confused, not understanding what was happening.
    14. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 18: 06
      0
      Quote: Dart2027
      That is, essentially no objections?

      essentially what?
    15. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 July 2016 18: 17
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      essentially what?

      This one:
      Quote: Dart2027
      Tried to. It was only when he arrived in Pskov that he was trapped by the conspirators. Nicholas II was not the most prominent of the kings, but do not hang all the dogs on him.
      For that matter, the version that Stalin was a victim of betrayal is very similar to the truth, and the murder of Beria is beyond doubt. But you can’t blame them for their lack of character.
    16. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 18: 48
      -1
      Quote: Dart2027
      but do not hang all the dogs on him.

      only ONE DOG hangs on it
      The Emperor DOESN'T BELONG TO HIMSELF, throughout his reign and preparation for it, he behaved neither as a future autocrat and emperor in the present, but as a simple citizen of the country, he marries out of love, plunging the country into a crisis of inheritance, then he lacks the courage to admit heir of a brother and not a sick son, he then signs the abdication plunging the country into the horrors of revolution and civil war
    17. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 July 2016 19: 13
      +3
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      only ONE DOG hangs on it

      He could not destroy the traitors who ruined the country. It was too soft, it’s enough to remember how many times the revolutionaries escaped from hard labor, then from exile.
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      he then signs the abdication plunging the country into the horrors of revolution and civil war

      Well, about the abdication, I already wrote.
    18. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 19: 52
      -1
      Quote: Dart2027
      Was too soft

      then he had to say that he was not able to rule the country before the coronation, and since he sat on the throne, be kind enough to correspond, millions of people depend on you
    19. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 July 2016 21: 35
      -1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      then I had to say that I’m not able to rule the country before the coronation

      And to whom should he transfer power? Other candidates were to say the least ...
    20. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 July 2016 06: 45
      0
      then the bear had to be brought up
    21. Dart2027
      Dart2027 3 July 2016 11: 43
      +1
      Actually, their father was supposed to do this.
    22. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 July 2016 12: 37
      -1
      hence the moral ...
  2. poquello
    poquello 3 July 2016 12: 59
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    he then signs the abdication plunging the country into the horrors of revolution and civil war

    renunciation is 1917. , again, lies, the country is already seething, garrisons are subordinate to the Council of People's Deputies
  3. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 July 2016 13: 39
    -1
    Quote: poquello
    renunciation is 1917. again lied

    what ?!
    it feels like you have a problem with the sequence of historical events
    first, abdication, after the collapse in the country, inflation, increased crime, October and the peak of the civil war, the starting point of all this (well, if you do not take mediocre rule) is abdication
  4. poquello
    poquello 3 July 2016 14: 04
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: poquello
    renunciation is 1917. again lied

    what ?!
    it feels like you have a problem with the sequence of historical events
    first, abdication, after the collapse in the country, inflation, increased crime, October and the peak of the civil war, the starting point of all this (well, if you do not take mediocre rule) is abdication

    finish attracting the renunciation to the starting point by the ears, to the renunciation the revolution was already sweeping the empire
  5. kazak08
    kazak08 4 July 2016 11: 05
    0
    ask a question how the supreme commander of the army was in Pskov for 2 thousand miles from the front
  6. 97110
    97110 3 July 2016 11: 29
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    Firstly, if the abdication was, then he made it by being actually arrested and not having the opportunity to do anything.

    And who arrested him? Hateful Bolsheviks? English, German spies? No, his relatives and friends. Everyone has already gotten him, his greatness.
  7. Dart2027
    Dart2027 3 July 2016 11: 44
    +1
    Quote: 97110
    And who arrested him?

    Traitors who ruined RI.
  8. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 July 2016 12: 38
    -1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Traitors who ruined RI.

    and Nicholas was an idiot, since he kept traitors with him?
  9. Dart2027
    Dart2027 3 July 2016 13: 27
    +1
    No one is safe from this. I already wrote about Stalin and Beria.
  10. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 July 2016 13: 40
    -1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Nobody is safe from this

    the fault lies solely with the head, just as Stalin is unconditionally guilty for not preparing the receiver
  11. Military Builder
    Military Builder 4 July 2016 11: 59
    +1
    Well, by your logic, Jesus Christ was also, God forgive me, not a far-sighted person - there was also a traitor in his circle.
  12. poquello
    poquello 3 July 2016 13: 22
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: 97110
    And who arrested him?

    Traitors who ruined RI.

    well-intentioned ...,
    The emperors were convinced that renunciation would calm the unrest.
  13. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 July 2016 13: 40
    -2
    Quote: poquello
    Emperor convinced

    and this baby did not have her brains ?!
  14. poquello
    poquello 3 July 2016 18: 31
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: poquello
    Emperor convinced

    and this baby did not have her brains ?!

    hackneyed phrase, but everyone imagines himself a strategist ...
  15. kazak08
    kazak08 4 July 2016 11: 03
    -1
    and when he was persuaded in Mogilev not to leave the army on the eve of the Germans' offensive and he was torn to the royal village to Alexandra Fedorovna under the skirt, here the generals took his abdication and thought he wouldn’t sign it and would return to the army and he signed
  16. 97110
    97110 3 July 2016 11: 25
    0
    Quote: poquello
    you lied about the "hardest time"

    3 years of world war, where they climbed mediocre, thoughtlessly, devastating the country, destroying the people - is this not a difficult time?
  17. poquello
    poquello 3 July 2016 13: 11
    0
    Quote: 97110
    Quote: poquello
    you lied about the "hardest time"

    3 years of world war, where they climbed mediocre, thoughtlessly, devastating the country, destroying the people - is this not a difficult time?

    no, it was harder, revolutionary nonsense
  18. sherp2015
    sherp2015 2 July 2016 21: 09
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    you forgot to mention that civil is a direct consequence of the abdication of nicholas

    But the Trotskyites-Sverdlovsk and other trash in power has nothing to do with the outbreak of civil war?
  19. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 21: 16
    +1
    has, only this is a consequence of a mediocre "kingdom", it's like HIV a person dies not from an immunodeficiency virus, but everything else that this virus has let into the body.
    it is the Emperor OBLIGED to ensure that the country does not start "bronsteins"
  20. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 12: 44
    +1
    Quote: poquello
    Nikolay tried to find an alternative branch of events, but unsuccessfully

    he just CRUSED and ELIMINATED
    in wartime the only punishment
  21. poquello
    poquello 2 July 2016 12: 53
    -2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: poquello
    Nikolay tried to find an alternative branch of events, but unsuccessfully

    he just CRUSED and ELIMINATED
    ...

    from what you say your OPINION ten more times, it won’t become more weighty, where are the arguments?
  22. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 12: 57
    +2
    well, there is no argument from you yet
    but for my sake, for God's sake, one but the simplest, not a single structure without a leader is working for some time by inertia, something else happens, and after that it just dies
    the death of the USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia occurred for the same reason, the unifying principle disappeared, in one case the Communist Party in another Emperor
    by the way, in one and the other case, self-elimination occurred, the result was a civil war and the collapse of the country, but if after 17 there was a force that could become a mover, Comrade 91 won
  23. poquello
    poquello 2 July 2016 13: 27
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    he just CRUSED and ELIMINATED

    Quote: poquello
    where are the arguments?

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    for heaven’s sake, one but the simplest, no structure without a leader doesn’t work for a while due to inertia something else happens, and after that it simply stalls

    is this an argument that he got scared? which side?
    The tsar knew from Rasputin what would happen, but did not know how to avoid it.
  24. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 13: 29
    -1
    Quote: poquello
    The tsar knew from Rasputin what would happen, but did not know how to avoid it.

    ALL debate is over, this is a clinic belay , you still refer to Wang
  25. Military Builder
    Military Builder 4 July 2016 12: 16
    +1
    the monk Abel, during the reign of Paul 1, predicted the death of the Romanov dynasty in 1918
  26. Weyland
    Weyland 2 July 2016 18: 41
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    he just CRUSED and ELIMINATED


    Comrade, if you are about abdication - it has long been known that there is even a signature forged!
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  28. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 19: 03
    -1
    Quote: Weyland
    It’s been known for a long time that there is even a signature forged there!

    Nicholas II in his diary described this day. “March 2nd. Thursday. ... My renunciation is needed. ... The bottom line is that in the name of saving Russia and keeping the army at the front and in peace, you need to decide on this step. I agreed ... Around treason, and cowardice, and deceit! "
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  30. Weyland
    Weyland 2 July 2016 18: 38
    +2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Well, prove that Nikolashka did not betray his subjects


    you, you are a hutspan! wassat
    У civilized people for 20 centuries have a principle: "the approver must prove! "
    I now declare that "your daughter works as a prostitute in Berdichev!
    Prove that this is not so - but first, prove that you do not have a daughter!
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  • esaul1950
    esaul1950 1 July 2016 19: 46
    +3
    ... and it seems at the same time anti-Slavic.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 1 July 2016 20: 40
    -4
    Stalin was also an anti-communist. Absolutely seriously. This was stated by such different people as Mussolini and Solzhenitsyn. And Roosevelt and Churchill also counted.

    So you and Stalin are in the same boat. hi
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 4 July 2016 11: 54
      0
      Quote: Bakht
      Stalin was also an anti-communist. Absolutely seriously. This was stated by such different people as Mussolini and Solzhenitsyn. And Roosevelt and Churchill also counted.

      So you and Stalin are in the same boat. hi


      Mussolini, Churchill, Solzhenitsyn - and that Hitler did not say or write anything about Stalin? I would like to know the opinion of all different people about Stalin.
  • stas
    stas 1 July 2016 21: 16
    +7
    All the buggers are polls, or rather, also anti-communists, because they were sent to prison in the USSR for sodomy.
    1. Fitter
      Fitter 1 July 2016 22: 37
      +2
      Pretty rude, but for sure :)
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 1 July 2016 22: 51
      +4
      Quote: stas
      All the buggers are polls, or rather, also anti-communists, because they were sent to prison in the USSR for sodomy.

      Well, now, perverts have been equated with politicians. laughing
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    4. Weyland
      Weyland 2 July 2016 18: 53
      +1
      Quote: stas
      All the buggers are polls, or rather, also anti-communists, because they were sent to prison in the USSR for sodomy.


      We continue the logical series:
      2) All the buggers are polls, or rather, anti-fascists, too, because they were sent to prison in Reich for sodomy!

      3) All homosexuals without exception, or rather pozhopno are also anti-clericals, because their fathers-inquisitors "invited to the flame" good for sodomy!

      4) All the buggers are polls, or rather, also anti-Islamists, because they are still hanged in Sharia rule countries good for sodomy ...
      (add to taste!) laughing
  • Dora2014
    Dora2014 1 July 2016 22: 35
    -2
    So do I. But my anti-communism does not make me biased and does not prevent me from studying the history of my country. Your ignorance - or lack of education - makes me a squeamish smile.
  • sunzhenets
    sunzhenets 1 July 2016 23: 53
    0
    This is not a fact to be proud of.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 2 July 2016 06: 22
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I am an anti-communist

    It is not necessary to be a communist, you just need to be a fair person and really appreciate the times past.
  • Petr1
    Petr1 2 July 2016 12: 36
    -1
    I'm anti-communist hi

    Sorry, of course, that I get into the conversation, but rather you are an unfaithful lover, seditious, Iskariot, strike-breaker laughing

    PS. but this is my extremely subjective opinion.
  • olegyurjewitch
    olegyurjewitch 3 July 2016 13: 46
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I am an anti-communist

    However, he grew up in, let's say, the post-communist space, didn’t really use it on these stones of the past?
  • My doctor
    My doctor 1 July 2016 18: 39
    +5
    Quote: Damm
    It may not be accepted at VO, but I’ll say: Mr. Romanov, before this comment, I had a much higher opinion of your IQ.

    the mention of "IQ" - evokes associations with tests actually calculated to determine the IQ of those who developed them. Is the meaning clear?
  • Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 1 July 2016 18: 35
    +1
    [quote = Alexander Romanov] Alexander Romanov (5) RU Today, 13:23 ↑ New

    Take the same Nikolai Romanov, the last. Now - the holy martyr Nikolai Romanov. I will not argue that I am a martyr. As for holiness, I’m not at all sure. Here, by definition, everything is clear. [
    For this minus ./quote]
    Oh, how many cons for that !!!
  • excomandante
    excomandante 1 July 2016 19: 06
    -1
    I recommend haloperidol, bromide compounds and walks in the fresh air. Should help.
  • Saburov
    Saburov 1 July 2016 20: 13
    +27
    Yes ... monarchy on the whole head increased.
    Well, how is Nicolas so different? Do not tell? Which, incidentally, was not supposed to be a king either ... he stayed for Mikhail, profiled the country, and where was his whole guard of white bone? And they did not give a damn. No one held him at the time of abdication ... And we don’t need to tell stories about a beautiful life in the Republic of Ingushetia, for example, from the same imperial archive in Efron’s report on child mortality on 1000 souls 246 deaths from a year to five. That's exactly in this indicator RI record holder. If according to the archives in the Moscow province on 10000 the people are just 2 doctors, so what life was in RI? For example, there was no equality in tsarist Russia. At the entrance to the "Summer Garden" in St. Petersburg hung a sign - forbidding entry to "dogs and lower ranks." Or After the adoption of the manifesto of 6 August 1905 on the establishment of the State Duma, the people did not receive the right to express their will. Women, youth up to the age of 25, civilian workers, soldiers and others were removed from participation in the elections. face. That was then such a "popular" monarchy. In Russian universities in 1913 127423 people studied, in the USA - 258000 (two times more than in Russia, despite the fact that the US population at that time was almost three times smaller than the Russian one). In the USA there were several dozens of universities at the university level, in England - 18 universities, in Germany - 22, in France - 14, in Russia - 8 universities. 1 University in Russia accounted for about 20 million. inhabitants, in England - 2,5 million, in France - 2,8 million, in Germany - 3 million residents. In Russia, there were 1000 teachers on 1,7 people, in the USA - 5,45 teachers - more than 3 more than once. With this state of public education, the empire had a bright future. In 1913, it was indeed the largest exporter of bread in absolute terms. But Argentina exported almost as much with a population of 21,4 times smaller than the population of Russia. (At that time, only 8 million lived in Argentina. person). Crop failures, famine and pestilence, which claimed the lives of 1 - 2 million people repeated in tsarist Russia regularly. It is noteworthy that for the fight against hunger, Nicholas II issued a special unique decree "On the preparation of bread from bards and straw flour, which could replace the use of ordinary rye bread." According to statistics, in 1913 year in Russia more than 12 million people (7,26% of the population) were affected by epidemics of cholera, diphtheria, anthrax, scabies. 9 million more people suffered from malaria, trachoma, whooping cough, etc. In total, chronic patients with infectious diseases had 21 877 869 people (13,2% of the country's population). From the report already Stolypin in the 1911 year: “32 million starved, loss of 1 million 613 тыс. person". (Most likely, these data are greatly overestimated, but if not, then the tsar’s desire to send Stolypin to resign is quite understandable). “We send wheat, good clean rye abroad, to the Germans, who will not eat all kinds of rubbish. We burn the best, pure rye for wine, and the worst rye, with fluff, bonfire, calf and all kinds of rebounds obtained when cleaning rye for distilleries - this is already a man eating.
    1. Saburov
      Saburov 1 July 2016 20: 51
      +4
      And here is a very interesting interview for you, a very respected historian and political scientist, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
    2. excomandante
      excomandante 1 July 2016 20: 52
      +5
      Thank. It is always helpful to read historical data on dry numbers. (Bulkokhrustam not understand (s))
    3. Fitter
      Fitter 1 July 2016 22: 42
      +4
      Yes, people like novels do not want to hear about what you wrote. The crunch of French rolls overshadows everything for them.
      1. Fitter
        Fitter 1 July 2016 23: 23
        +6
        Oh, how the bulkokhrustov got racked up! The bloody Nicholas destroyed "the Russia handed to him by God", and Stalin built Russia (from the plow to the AB). That's all. Who has done more for Russia?
        1. excomandante
          excomandante 2 July 2016 00: 17
          +1
          How did you infuriate the bulkhrusts - you got hysterical, the Nikki worshipers zamusnuyut you)))
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 11: 27
          -3
          Quote: Fitter
          Nicholas the bloody destroyed "Russia handed to him by God"

          Well, for the sake of truth, all the Romanovs, including Catherine 2 and Alexander 3, had a hand in this
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 18: 12
            -1
            again not knowledge of the history of minus signers, well, study the topic !!!
            Catherine, in fact, turned the nobility (the service class) into a class of parasites, granting them a lot of liberties in payment for a coup in her favor, Alexander III, with all due respect to him, put the thief Witte on finances who pushed on the eve of WWI RI into a "friendly" embrace of the French Rothschilds , the participation of RI on the side of the Entente is one of the reasons for the fall of RI
    4. Sodom897
      Sodom897 2 July 2016 10: 35
      +4
      In Spain, on the beaches, too, the signs were "forbidden to dogs and Jews" or not ???
    5. Weyland
      Weyland 2 July 2016 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: Saburov
      and where was his whole guard of white bone?


      In the Masurian swamps - her eternal memory ... And by the beginning of 1917, the bulk of the officers were from the so-called. "volunteers" - ie of yesterday's intellectuals, only 7% of the officers were pillar nobles!
      Quote: Saburov
      Or After the adoption of the manifesto of August 6, 1905 on the establishment of the State Duma, the people did not receive the right to express their will. Women, youth up to 25 years old, civilian workers, soldiers and other persons were removed from participation in the elections.

      And there were many at that time in the WORLD of countries with more democratic laws? It is unlikely that more than a dozen (by the way, in Europe before the WWII there were only three republic!)

      Quote: Saburov
      Here is such a "beautiful" life.

      I don’t argue, everything is true! Only... starting did you compare conditions with Europe and the USA? GDP, number of teachers, factories, etc. etc. compared in 1894m and in 1913m, for example?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 20: 30
        0
        Quote: Weyland
        In the Mazurian swamps

        Quote: Weyland
        only 7% of the officers were pillar nobles!

        number of nobility 1.8 million
        there is no fundamental difference between the pole and other nobles, except for the entries in the columns
      2. Saburov
        Saburov 3 July 2016 02: 13
        +4
        Quote: Weyland
        In the Masurian swamps - her eternal memory ... And by the beginning of 1917, the bulk of the officers were from the so-called. "volunteers" - ie of yesterday's intellectuals, only 7% of the officers were columnar nobles!


        And those companies and regiments, officers and commanders who were in Russia, somehow miraculously drowned in the Mazurian swamps? And in the end, the convoy of the Supreme Commander also drowned there? And what's the difference? The oath is still one. “I, below, promise and swear by the Almighty God, before His Holy Gospel, that I want and owe HIS IMPERIAL Majesty, my true and natural All-Merciful Great Emperor [Name and Patronymic], Independent of the All-Russian Orthodox Church, HEIR, it is true and not hypocritical to serve, not sparing his stomach, to the last drop of blood, and all to the HIGH IMPERIAL Majesty Autocracy, power and authority belong to the rights and advantages, legitimized and henceforth enacted at understanding, strength and opportunities to perform. HIS IMPERIAL MAJESTY of the state and the lands of His enemies, body and blood, in the field and fortresses, by water and by dry means, in battles, parties, sieges and assaults and in other military cases, brave and strong to mend resistance, and try to advance in everything, what to ITS IMPERIAL MAJESTY may in all cases concern the faithful service and benefit of the state. As soon as I tell you about the damage of HIS MAJESTY of interest, harm and loss, I will not declare it in good time, but with all sorts of measures I will repel and prevent slipping and I will keep all entrusted secrecy, and the superiors presented to me in everything that is useful and it will concern the service of the State, properly repair obedience, and correct everything according to its conscience, and not to act for its greed, property, friendship and enmity against service and oath; from the team and the banner where I belong, although I will never leave the field, wagon train or garrison, but I will follow him while I’m alive, I will behave and act in all things as honest, loyal, obedient, brave and quick-witted ( officer or soldier) is due. In what may the Lord God Almighty help me. To conclude this oath of mine, I kiss the words and cross of my Savior. Amen."

        Quote: Weyland
        And there were many at that time in the WORLD of countries with more democratic laws? It is unlikely that more than a dozen (by the way, in Europe there were only three republics before WWI!)


        But it was! And I absolutely do not give a damn what was abroad, it is necessary that we have good. The fact is that people lived badly.

        Quote: Weyland
        I do not argue, everything is true! Only ... did you compare the starting conditions with Europe and the USA? GDP, number of teachers, factories, etc. etc. compared in 1894 and in 1913, for example?


        And where does the starting conditions. The one who comes to the finish line wins first. And if in the case, pick up the Russian statistics in the GARF and look at the numbers. The template will fly off once and for all. Do not read lousy newspapers (especially monarchy lovers). History must either be taught in the archive or not taught at all.
        1. excomandante
          excomandante 3 July 2016 08: 27
          +1
          Thanks, read with interest. Plus of course. I am not ready to enter into a discussion about the validity of the oath to the renounced monarch due to the lack of knowledge of these points under the then legislation.
  • sunzhenets
    sunzhenets 1 July 2016 23: 47
    0
    Put a minus.
    1) for peremptory;
    2)
    loser
    Oh, flowed

    Motivate. Where did our citizen Romanov distinguish himself by his reasonable actions?
    P.S. On the role of personality in history. Let's compare Russia in the 1st MV and the USSR in the Second World War. I don’t give ratings to managers, everyone draws conclusions himself.
  • Starik. 47
    Starik. 47 1 July 2016 23: 53
    +6
    The prize went entirely from Stalin’s pocket. From his fees for published materials (including abroad) and from salary. Indeed, why is the salary of a person sitting in two posts and being on state security?
    Read attentively!
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  • SveTok
    SveTok 2 July 2016 09: 41
    +6
    Under Stalin, Russia was dawning in all areas and therefore defeated Hitler's Europe, and quickly recovered after the war, and with Nikolashka he is no match for the beer stall with Everest. It’s time to review and take its political legacy as a basis and this will pay tribute Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich Leader and Generalissimo.
  • Alex Osipov
    Alex Osipov 2 July 2016 23: 37
    -2
    ... flowed ... in content and meaning - liberal ... as from the last novels ...
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 08
    -28%
    Quote: NordUral
    Are you talking about, friend? Really about Yeltsin?

    And about him too.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 28
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      And about him too.
      and about whom?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 31
        -35%
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and about whom?

        Vladimir, but what do you get from me the obvious answer, who is the article about? About that and my comment!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 42
          +8
          why are you modest ?!
          all by omissions and by omissions, speak directly - such and such a bastard and a scoundrel, I just would like with arguments
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 52
            -15%
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            all by omissions and by omissions, speak directly - such and such a bastard and a scoundrel, I just would like with arguments

            Everyone will remain unconvinced, this is a personal matter, I expressed my opinion, but I don’t want to argue this is a stupid and lengthy process, but the result is still the same - everyone will remain with his own, I don’t like "my charter in a strange monastery"
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 57
              +8
              Quote: RUSS
              this is a personal matter, I expressed my opinion

              that’s the problem that they didn’t express, so modestly hinted
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              2. RUSS
                RUSS 1 July 2016 14: 22
                -17%
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                so modestly hinted

                Well, I'm a shy one! laughing
                1. Diana Ilyina
                  Diana Ilyina 1 July 2016 14: 34
                  +45
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  so modestly hinted

                  Well, I'm a shy one! laughing


                  Who are you, I would say, but the rules of the forum, the great and mighty, will not be missed.

                  Do not stain with your dirty little hands the name of the Great Man who has done so much for the country that you and worms like you live on what was built or laid under Joseph Vissarionovich!
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                  2. RUSS
                    RUSS 1 July 2016 14: 58
                    -14%
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Who are you, I would say, but the rules of the forum, the great and mighty, will not be missed.

                    It seems like a lady, but how cruel ...
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Do not stain with your dirty little hands the name of the Great Man who has done so much for the country that you and worms like you live on what was built or laid under Joseph Vissarionovich!

                    Straight song! I would read and read!
                  3. RUSS
                    RUSS 1 July 2016 14: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Who are you, I would say, but the rules of the forum, the great and mighty, will not be missed.

                    Write to the PM with pleasure I will read your conclusions, what new curse I can discover for myself.
                  4. poquello
                    poquello 1 July 2016 14: 59
                    -33%
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Do not stain with your dirty little hands the name of the Great Man who has done so much for the country that you and worms like you live on what was built or laid under Joseph Vissarionovich!

                    The sun shines on Russia, thanks to Stalin for this,
                    but if Koba wouldn’t exist, it probably wouldn’t shine.
                  5. Ami du peuple
                    Ami du peuple 1 July 2016 15: 17
                    +50
                    Quote: poquello
                    The sun shines on Russia, thanks to Stalin for this,
                    but if Koba wouldn’t exist, it probably wouldn’t shine.
                    Yes, the sun would shine, it would not go anywhere. Only you would shine, dear, in a hunchbacked back when you would plow on the farm of a German burgher-colonist. Or maybe you would be lucky and go to Germany to the Krupp or Siemens factories to work as a laborer in a comfortable freight car.
                    But, twice a year, on Christmas and on the Fuhrer’s birthday, the hosts would pour you a mug of real Bavarian or a schnapps dupe! Here it is, happiness! Is not it?
                  6. poquello
                    poquello 1 July 2016 18: 04
                    -30%
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    Yes, the sun would shine, it would not go anywhere. Only you would shine, dear, in a hunchbacked back when you would plow on the farm of a German burgher-colonist.

                    and why did they get that without Stalin they would lose? the people are nothing, and Stalin is great, in the history of Russia is full of victories without Stalin
                  7. esaul1950
                    esaul1950 1 July 2016 19: 51
                    +13
                    never heard stories about an army of lions led by a ram and an army of rams led by a lion?
                  8. poquello
                    poquello 1 July 2016 22: 42
                    -1
                    Quote: esaul1950
                    never heard stories about an army of lions led by a ram and an army of rams led by a lion?

                    about how, Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Kozhedub, Pokryshkin, etc. sheep?
                  9. 97110
                    97110 3 July 2016 12: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: poquello
                    about how, Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Kozhedub, Pokryshkin, etc. sheep?

                    Ivanov Nikolai Judovich, Evert, Rannenkampf, Yudenich, Denikin - lions?
                  10. poquello
                    poquello 3 July 2016 13: 25
                    0
                    Quote: 97110
                    Quote: poquello
                    about how, Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Kozhedub, Pokryshkin, etc. sheep?

                    Ivanov Nikolai Judovich, Evert, Rannenkampf, ...

                    and who is it? and what did they stick to?
              3. navigator
                navigator 2 July 2016 00: 01
                +2
                This is not a bike.

                "An army of rams led by a lion is stronger than an army of lions led by a ram."

                Napoleon Bonaparte

                Just out of place mentioned.
              4. Weyland
                Weyland 2 July 2016 19: 41
                +1
                Quote: navigator
                "An army of rams led by a lion is stronger than an army of lions led by a ram." Napoleon Bonaparte


                IRL is Hannibal Barca, 2000 years earlier laughing . Napoleon just loved to quote him.
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          2. luxprofi
            luxprofi 1 July 2016 21: 27
            -7
            Cit. And why did they get that without Stalin would lose? the people are nothing, and Stalin is great, in the history of Russia is full of victories without Stalin
            Take for example the year 1914. Without Stalin. The people and the king. Nikolai is bloody. The result is known. Boots with cardboard soles, theft of commissaries, lack of spirit. Mannered queen, a bunch of jokes about the Family. Lost company. Abdication. Liberal U-turn. The victory of the Bolsheviks. Civil War. The beaten white bastard, the great simple Russian people. Performed mythological victories at the front, in victory over the atom.
          3. poquello
            poquello 1 July 2016 22: 50
            +1
            Quote: luxprofi
            Take for example the year 1914.

            ))) Well, if Suvorov and Kutuzov do not count, we take 1914, the PMV is lost by the revolutionaries and, with their obvious assistance, lose, the allies won, who signed the separate exit from the WWI with us ?, and the berets of the soldiers are still falling apart
          4. sunzhenets
            sunzhenets 2 July 2016 00: 02
            0
            Cool example. There is no normal leader - the war is lost.
          5. excomandante
            excomandante 2 July 2016 01: 17
            +1
            It is a long time since I have met such a militant idiot.t.i.z.m.A. ! This is something ... "mythological" victories ?! You need to be treated, granddaughters ...
        2. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 2 July 2016 00: 01
          0
          Victory of the people, despite the fool-leader:
          - Russia's victory in the 1st World War;
          - Gorbachev's preservation of the USSR according to the results of the referendum;
          - victory in Afghanistan;
          - victory of the Russian Federation in the 1st Chechen war.
          Should I continue?
        3. poquello
          poquello 2 July 2016 01: 08
          0
          Quote: Sunflower
          Should I continue?

          go on, to understand what you want to say
          Quote: Sunflower
          - Russia's victory in the 1st World War

          revolution prevented
          Quote: Sunflower
          - victory in Afghanistan

          there was an indirect confrontation of NATO, the naive Gorbachev decided to make peace, so they left
        4. excomandante
          excomandante 2 July 2016 01: 18
          -4
          It’s better to shut up, so as not to demonstrate ancephaly exactly before the weekend.
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  • Weyland
    Weyland 2 July 2016 19: 37
    +2
    Quote: poquello
    but if Koba wouldn’t exist, it probably wouldn’t shine.


    Probably it would not shine on Russia - but it would probably shine on the "Reichskommissariat Ost"!
  • poquello
    poquello 3 July 2016 05: 29
    -1
    Quote: Weyland
    Quote: poquello
    but if Koba wouldn’t exist, it probably wouldn’t shine.


    Probably it would not shine on Russia - but it would probably shine on the "Reichskommissariat Ost"!

    )))) oh yes, a military genius, but there was still a fourth kensored who recorded war heroes in rams
    “Since Russia should be defeated anyway, it’s better to do it now when its army is devoid of leadership.”
    Hitler, January 1941
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  • Dam
    Dam 1 July 2016 19: 17
    +13
    Bravo Mademoiselle! No banter. Indeed, at all times, in different political systems, the Lord sends Russia great people. They may be of different beliefs, but "you will recognize them by their fruits." And of course Stalin is a great man.
  • Sodom897
    Sodom897 2 July 2016 10: 48
    +2
    Choosing the name of Russia, Stalin I.V. was removed from the race for a clear advantage. It's a pity...
  • NordUral
    NordUral 1 July 2016 15: 06
    0
    That’s how I understood you.
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  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 1 July 2016 13: 58
    +19
    Comrade, when you try to provoke an idiot to a direct answer, the result can be much more idiotic than the first saying.
  • Vend
    Vend 1 July 2016 14: 25
    -24%
    We washed down the Boriske memory center. Question: for what?
    For forbidding the release of energy prices when Berezovsky offered him. And for bringing Putin to the presidency, instead of Nemtsov. Although Nemtsov was getting ready to sit in a chair.
    1. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce 1 July 2016 18: 42
      +5
      The drunk did not decide anything. For him, the comprador camarilla decided, including Birch.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 July 2016 20: 08
    -19%
    Quote: NordUral
    Are you talking about, friend?

    I got a thought, that's it! I create a party"Stalinists of Russia" and what? There is already a congregation, I will write a book and a program in the style of Old Man, the benefit of the material is in bulk here: links in the internet, quotes, memoirs, some tables and numbers on the floor of the book. So, for a start, I need those who studied for the first three on the list with Kobe in the seminary, or at least those who butted with him in Tsaritsyn with whites, if there are none, we will create nothing terrible, the main thing is to find by age, and we will come up with a legend. For those who entered the first - sticker "Stalin" on the hood for free and a tattoo profile Stalin's henna (temporary) is also free of charge, deposit contributions to the account, I will soon post a checking account. I am opening a competition for slogans and the motto of the party, with symbols it is simpler - this is Stalin's profile, it is recognizable and simple! So! further, soon we will organize rallies - we will rebel against everything: GMOs, return Stalingrad, hit Washington, Obama on trial, etc., well, you know better. So, what did you forget? ... It seems like he said everything for the beginning, I wait for comments and wishes, who want join, throw the questionnaire in a personal! Go comrades, go for it !!!!
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 1 July 2016 13: 06
    +57
    Quote: RUSS
    "You can't wash a black dog to white"
    What is this for? In Russia today, by order of our ruling elites, Stalin is not laundered, but vilified in every possible way. At least, all these commissions on de-Stalinization, created with state money and on the initiative of the current authorities, are doing just that. Just ask yourself a question, what have we achieved in a quarter century of the so-called? "independence"? Vaughn, the USSR, 16 years after the end of the most terrible and destructive war, launched the first man into space. And what have we accomplished in the past 16 years? I do not specifically take the Yeltsin decade as an example - everything is completely sour there.
    Yes, among my relatives, whether distant or close, there were no dispossessed and repressed. Because they are all ordinary peasants and workers. But the descendants of the repressed "fiery Bolsheviks" and all kinds of creative intelligentsia, which Vladimir Ilyich aptly called uh ... "excrement of the nation", are squealing about the "bloody executioner"
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 09
      -10%
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      At least, all these de-Stalinization commissions, created with state money and on the initiative of the current authorities, are doing just that

      What are these commissions and who are they?
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 1 July 2016 13: 32
        +43
        Quote: RUSS
        What are these commissions and who are they?
        Google it! For example, the Commission for the Historical Memory of the Council for the Promotion of the Development of Civil Society Institutions and Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation chaired by M. Fedotov. Well, the members: Diskin Joseph, Parfenov Leonid, Masyuk Elena, Svanidze Nikolay, Khakamada Irina .. Yes, there is still a whole freak show of "worthy" ahem .. citizens.
        I remember, four years ago, these de-Stalinisers proposed legislatively fixing the ban on mentioning the name of Stalin and henceforth calling him exclusively Dzhugashvili. For the name Stalin, in their opinion, causes positive emotions in the majority of the population.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 42
          -21%
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Google it!

          Googled
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Well, the members: Diskin Joseph, Parfenov Leonid, Masyuk Elena, Svanidze Nikolay, Khakamada Irina .. Yes, there is still a whole freak show of "worthy" people

          And you fellow, a sly, cleverly wrote out the names of the most ambiguous personalities in the commission, although there are more than 4 dozen members there! And why didn’t they write that Kirill Viktorovich Kabanov, Chairman of the National Anti-Corruption Committee, is there,
          Shevchenko Maxim Leonardovich
          President of the Center for Strategic Studies of Religions and Politics of the Modern World.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 13: 45
            -26%
            Quote: RUSS
            And you well done, cleverly wrote out the names of the most ambiguous individuals in the commission

            We need to write, we don’t write uncomfortable. Everything is simple wassat
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 1 July 2016 15: 32
              +1
              Everything is not that simple, all with an idea.
          2. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 1 July 2016 13: 51
            +33
            Quote: RUSS
            cleverly wrote out the names of the most ambiguous persons in the commission
            I called these in memory, chesslovo. smile And what good is the same Kabanov or Shevchenko? The first muddy type with an unclear biography headed an impotent public organization with a big name. Second .. It seems like a liberal, but it seems to be for the Soviet Union-he is still a weather vane.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 13: 54
              -15%
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              The second is a clear liberoid.

              Putin also often speaks of Stalin’s crimes. Muddy type?
              1. My address
                My address 1 July 2016 14: 16
                +39
                Dear Alexander!
                Indeed respected, even though the opponent.

                In UPI (Ural Polytechnic Institute) in 60-s of the last century, I heard a wonderful expression:
                WERE THE CULT, BUT AND WAS A PERSON.
                And there were crimes. But from what? Here I have the impression that the fact that Stalin relied on the illiterate, loud, arrogant. He did not have others until the middle of 30's. The Soviet intelligentsia only destroyed the Russian empire, but it did not want to work and, on proposals from the top Bolsheviks, spat through the lip. She only wanted to live in a flesh and live beautifully, but not plow. The current is no better.
                For reference, I am not an intellectual, I am an engineer.
                hi
                1. Forever so
                  Forever so 2 July 2016 10: 12
                  +4
                  For reference, I am not an intellectual, I am an engineer.

                  !!!))) Bravo !!)) I am not an intellectual, I have a profession))
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 11: 29
                    -1
                    Quote: Forever so
                    I am not an intellectual, I have a profession

                    quotes need to be quoted, otherwise it smells of plagiarism
              2. sunzhenets
                sunzhenets 2 July 2016 00: 06
                +2
                Putin also often speaks of Stalin’s crimes. Muddy type?

                Yes.
              3. excomandante
                excomandante 2 July 2016 11: 12
                +2
                By the way, a good question. I’m always minus you for irrational anti-Sovietism, but I sincerely applaud this issue! Something is wrong with the president, he carefully avoids talking on this topic, but when pressed, he demonstrates fierce anti-Sovietism. Stupidity or treason? (with)
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 2 July 2016 11: 24
                  0
                  Quote: excomandante
                  he carefully avoids talking on this subject, but when pressed

                  The head of state says what he should say is politics.
                  Neither I nor you know his thoughts, but fierce anti-Sovietism is precisely a necessity. The attempt to create a new, perfectly just society failed, unable to withstand the realities of human nature. Here Putin is getting out as he can.
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            3. RUSS
              RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 56
              -12%
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              The second is a clear liberoid.

              Shevchenko liberoid ??? You probably didn’t watch his show “Most” on NTV, where he showed himself to be a full-fledged Stalinist, I don’t remember the date when there was a topic in the program about Stalin.
            4. NordUral
              NordUral 1 July 2016 15: 35
              +3
              Why are you making excuses!
              Here is the link: http://president-sovet.ru/members/constitution/
              Each surname is also a link, click on whoever wants it and study the person, his (her) role and position (s).
              Much will become clear.
          3. NordUral
            NordUral 1 July 2016 15: 31
            +21
            Googled me too:

            The issue of de-Stalinization is handled by this commission and its members. The rest have their own commissions and their tasks.
            I think that in their vote they are not too thoughtful or simply biased.

            Commission on historical memory:

            ALEKSEEVA LYUDMILA MIKHAILOVNA
            VOROBYOV SERGEY ILYICH
            KARAGANOV SERGEY ALEXANDROVICH
            KIRKORA IRINA VLADIMIROVNA
            KRIVENKO SERGEY VLADIMIROVICH
            LEGOYDA VLADIMIR ROMANOVICH
            PARFENOV LEONID GENNADIEVICH
            SVANIDZE NIKOLAY KARLOVICH
            KHAKAMADA IRINA MUTSUOVNA
            SHEVCHENKO MAKSIM LEONARDOVICH
            YURGENS IGOR YURIEVICH
            YUROV ANDREY YURYEVICH

            And each of us, to the best of our knowledge of these people, can draw our own conclusions.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 15: 33
              -12%
              Quote: NordUral
              Googled me too:

              There are 40 of them, announce all the names.
              1. vladim.gorbunow
                vladim.gorbunow 1 July 2016 16: 34
                +4
                Why so much? Is there another feeder?
            2. Sodom897
              Sodom897 2 July 2016 10: 51
              +1
              I can’t click on the plus, so I’ll just register for the composition of the commission. A PLUS
            3. polkovnik manuch
              polkovnik manuch 3 July 2016 11: 19
              0
              Yeah, really picked up ....... These and the country and history, as well as his mother, for the sake of green candy wrappers, will sell and not reflect.
          4. NIKNN
            NIKNN 1 July 2016 15: 39
            +17
            Quote: RUSS
            And you fellow, a sly, cleverly wrote out the names of the most ambiguous personalities in the commission, although there are more than 4 dozen members there!


            I am glad that it’s not out of 400 for all these figures, for our money they are trying to pump into our brains to distort our history in our own way, without asking us, but do we need their research? ... I need their names on the drum, I’m did not give the authority to defecate in my soul and the soul of my children ...
          5. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 1 July 2016 23: 24
            +2
            Quote: RUSS
            Shevchenko Maxim Leonardovich

            Ha, a decent figure. I got rid of the army, but as before Sobchak he cringed: "What is your dog business, for whom did I vote?" And then he stood, red as a tomato: "please me, Ksenia Anatolyevna." crying
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 July 2016 08: 27
              +2
              I want the arguments of the minuser. Wah!
              1. Sodom897
                Sodom897 2 July 2016 10: 53
                +1
                Someone clicked by chance
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 1 July 2016 15: 11
      +24
      But among my ancestors, both dispossessed and repressed. Therefore, my brother and I were born in the Northern Urals. But this is the thing - they personally had no complaints against Stalin.
    4. unsinkable
      unsinkable 1 July 2016 19: 11
      +1
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      What epoch-making happened in the last 16 years?

      I won’t argue with my friend. I’ll just express my thought about the achievements over 16 years. But in my opinion, it was like this. The Communists over the last years of their rule have bent the country in a position convenient for any * capitalist bloodsuckers. Drunkard Borka put her on her knees . And try to accomplish something on your lap. And yet the greatest accomplishment has been made: RUSSIA STARTED FROM KNEES!. And now, Russia go ahead !!! hi
    5. Platonich
      Platonich 2 July 2016 05: 40
      +2
      In addition to chatter in all the media, nothing has been created - "guys, there is no money, but you hold on, all the best for you," and Moscow clubs are crammed with scum, who spend thousands of dollars per night! This is what they have created for you, for the people!
    6. Sodom897
      Sodom897 2 July 2016 10: 43
      +1
      Armata and T 50 built repeat
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      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 July 2016 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: mrark
        Tell critics of the USSR ...

        - this is not for me, I say right away. He lived in the USSR for 28 years, criticizing him ... um ... not ready request however, w:


        i) It is forbidden to write comments in only CAPITAL LETTERS (with Caps Lock turned on) ...

        If you can, fix the CAPS; it’s impossible to read ...

        Best regards hi
  • sever.56
    sever.56 1 July 2016 13: 10
    +25
    Quote: RUSS
    "You can't wash a black dog to white"


    You should at least read a rather big article, and not drip the comment THREE MINUTES after its publication.
    Or with one name - "Stalin", the hand reaches for the pistol, sorry - for the keys?
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 13
      -16%
      Quote: sever.56
      Quote: RUSS
      "You can't wash a black dog to white"


      You should at least read a rather big article, and not drip the comment THREE MINUTES after its publication.


      I read quickly like Lenin laughing

      Here is what one of the closest collaborators of V. I. Lenin V. D. Bonch-Bruevich says: "Vladimir Ilyich read in a completely different way. When I saw Lenin reading, it seemed to me that he did not read line by line, but looked page after page and quickly assimilates everything amazingly deeply and accurately; after a while he quoted from memory individual phrases and paragraphs, as if he had studied for a long time and specially what he had just read. do not be amazed. "
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 1 July 2016 13: 22
        +23
        Quote: RUSS
        I read quickly like Lenin

        Yeah ... Liberals - they are such a genius on a genius!
        It's just that the people don't follow them. Probably does not understand, Not mature enough, "understand" to understand the height of the thought of such "geniuses", the liberal spill, - in all elections, for some reason, they receive percentages of votes in the area of ​​statistical error. "Not destiny, however" - to rule (read - limitless) in Russia liberals, as in the 90s ...
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 26
          -7
          Quote: sever.56
          Yeah ... Liberals - they are such a genius on a genius!

          You are mistaken, I am not a liberal and I do not share liberal values, I will surprise you, but I agree with Churchill that- "Democracy is the worst form of government, with the exception of all the others that have been tried from time to time."
          Quote: sever.56
          That's just something the people do not follow them.

          And rightly so.
        2. Sodom897
          Sodom897 2 July 2016 10: 56
          0
          There was such a one yesterday in Russia 24. It was only the gundel that everyone bought everything in the elections and therefore he lost. They can and cry only with mud to water their country, that the people are not so smart that they cannot understand them.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 29
        +9
        Quote: RUSS
        I read quickly like Lenin

        and which edge
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 33
          -19%
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          and which edge

          Not modest, but modest, well, yes, I can’t help myself laughing
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 43
            +7
            the key has sunk, they could have kept silent, because it’s clear what’s what
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 1 July 2016 14: 30
            +9
            Quote: RUSS
            Not modest, but modest, well, yes, I can’t help myself

            "Well, suppose I shave my beard. And the thing, the thing, what to do?
      3. KCA
        KCA 1 July 2016 17: 25
        +4
        fast reading technique, during school years he easily read the whole line, paragraph, in crisis situations, when they called to answer a question, read the whole page, not too carefully, but 1-2 seconds was enough to get 3-4 points for a question that I didn’t know what he was talking about or what to answer, I wasn’t keen on such reading, and so almost every day I ran to the library to get a new book, to prolong my pleasure I tried to read more slowly
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    3. poquello
      poquello 1 July 2016 13: 47
      -22%
      Quote: sever.56
      You should at least read a rather big article, and not drip a comment in THREE MINUTES

      heh, well, I read another Stalinist propaganda - ah, the memory of the descendants of Stalin offends, the poor unfortunate person is erased from the people's memory, they created a special commission, but REALLY cry for the state’s unwillingness to push this propaganda to the masses, IMHO the descendants are able to find materials and evaluate these or those events , thank God, access is only increasing, by the way, unlike the times of the USSR - where access to many facts of history was closed to the masses.
      I looked, maybe the author does not know)))
      Museums of Stalin
      Main article: Stalin, Joseph Vissarionovich
      Museums of Stalin - museums dedicated to the leader of the USSR - Joseph Stalin.

      Museum of Stalin and Lenin in Bucharest.
      In Gori, where Joseph Stalin was born, his house-museum is located.
      In Solvychegodsk there is a museum “The House-Monument of Political Exiles” - a memorial house-monument to JV Stalin, the museum is located in the house where JV Stalin was serving a link from 1908 to 1910.
      In Vologda there is a Vologda Link Museum in the house where Stalin served the link from December 1911 to February 1912. There is a memorial room in which Stalin lived, his wax figure is exhibited there.
      In May 2006, the Stalin Museum was opened in Volgograd in the building of the cultural center "Stalingrad" on Mamaev Kurgan [1].
      In Bashkortostan, in the city of Ufa, on the 132nd anniversary of the birth of Stalin, his museum was opened. [2].


      A plaque on the house of I.V. Stalin, Vologda, ul. M. Ulyanova, 33


      The house in which he lived, being in exile in 1909-1910, Stalin. Solvychegodsk


      Museum - the house where JV Stalin was born (Gori, Georgia)
      In Russia, Stalin's museums operate in Moscow (Historical Museum Complex “Reserve Command Post of the Supreme Commander of the Red Army IV Stalin of the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945” in Izmailovo (the so-called “Stalin’s Bunker”), the museum was opened in Volgograd , in Ufa, in Irkutsk, Vologda, Makhachkala, Vladikavkaz. Also, Stalin's cottage has museum status in Sochi. There were proposals to equip the central museum of Stalin in the near dacha in Kuntsevo, where the whole historical situation, and many items of that time, were preserved. [3]

      См. также

      Stalin Museum in Narym
      Notes

      ↑ A private museum of Stalin was opened in Volgograd
      ↑ Ufa Museum of I.V. Stalin

      http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1390085
    4. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 1 July 2016 14: 23
      +27
      Quote: sever.56
      You should at least read a rather big article, and not drip the comment THREE MINUTES after its publication.
      Or with one name - "Stalin", the hand reaches for the pistol, sorry - for the keys?

      I read it.
      Let me quote:
      1. asher
        asher 1 July 2016 14: 49
        +20
        Very true noticed. The situation is like in prison, where no one is asked, everyone is guilty and they are sitting for nothing. My great-grandfather was lucky in those days - they were repressed for the cause: he fought off dekulakization specialists with an ax, but they were exiled from the north of Kazakhstan to the Alma-Ata region. And this is a huge difference! And grandfather was sent to the Shushensky district, where tomatoes grow without greenhouses and melons with watermelons. Minusinsk depression does not let cold winds. In Taishet, Irkutsk Oblast, where I currently live (formerly Zaozerlag), no one has seen or heard of millions of unfortunate repressed people who seem to have remained in our Siberian lands. Comrade Stalin was too kind!
      2. mrFix
        mrFix 1 July 2016 15: 57
        +9
        The historian Igor Pykhalov has a series of programs "The Age of Stalin" (43 programs). He tells well how the facts are distorted, and they just lie about Stalin.
  • xoma58
    xoma58 1 July 2016 13: 13
    +7
    I think it's about Yeltsin and the gang.
  • Vend
    Vend 1 July 2016 13: 34
    +11
    Quote: RUSS
    "You can't wash a black dog to white"

    Stalin has long had a place in history. And no one can deprive him of this place. As well as many other political figures in world history. Even sick Poroshenko is already in history.
    1. navigator
      navigator 2 July 2016 00: 09
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      Even sick Poroshenko is already in history.


      Well, yes, it’s hard to go down in history, but it’s easy to get involved.
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  • Monarchist
    Monarchist 1 July 2016 13: 43
    +2
    Ger Field Marshal, and let me ask you, N.S. Khrushchov Do you like or are you a fan of A.I. If the last one will forgive me, but He is also involved in the collapse of the Soviet Union (E, Bonaire boasted). If you say that the Union was byak then ... Medicine is powerless
  • Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 1 July 2016 13: 44
    +23
    "You can't wash a black dog to white"

    Why wash it? He is much higher than all detractors in his deeds, and unlike the same Tsar Nikolashka or Borka the drunkard, he raised the country! No need to rush to extremes - idealize or denigrate, we must pay tribute to the person who left behind the most powerful state in the world! just don't say that we lived worse than others! power is not always measured by dough, including the impact on world history, and its role in the 20th century is very significant, well, where are museums, monuments to him ?? if museums were built according to the importance of personality, then the Yeltsin Center would be the size of a dog kennel, and the monument to Boriska would be a mongrel with a gnawed bone on which is written "Russia"!
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 1 July 2016 13: 55
    +7
    Minor moron is not age, this is the state of the brain. Someone comes out of this state quickly. You, hike, hung in it forever.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 July 2016 14: 27
      -3
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      Minor moron is not age, this is the state of the brain. Someone comes out of this state quickly.

      Mareman Vasilich - do not think that wisdom is a privilege of old age. Mu..ak does not become a sage with age, he becomes an old mu..kom.
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 1 July 2016 14: 30
        +12
        Clever boy, I understood everything and even signed his diagnosis.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 1 July 2016 14: 34
          -11%
          Quote: Mareman Vasilich
          Clever boy, understood everything and even signed his diagnosis

          Sam durak? laughing
        2. ibragim
          ibragim 1 July 2016 21: 01
          +2
          One feels the young man is not capable of anything more, it is a pity that many young people live with one gyrus that appeared from a children's hat.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 1 July 2016 22: 49
            0
            Quote: ibragim
            One feels the young man is not capable of anything more, it is a pity that many young people live with one gyrus that appeared from a children's hat.

            Seems to me it was a joke? And it seems like a child? laughing
            Very witty, well done! Wait for the pros!
      2. MrK
        MrK 1 July 2016 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        Mu..ak with age does not become a sage, he becomes an old mu..kom.

        How to About Me noticed.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 1 July 2016 17: 42
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        do not think that wisdom is a privilege of old age

        Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.
        I don’t remember where.
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  • esaul1950
    esaul1950 1 July 2016 19: 42
    0
    Are you talking about yourself?
  • RUSS
    RUSS 1 July 2016 21: 48
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    "You can't wash a black dog to white"

    I scored almost a hundred cons, is it really a record! good
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 1 July 2016 21: 54
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      really a record!

      To help? wassat hi
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 1 July 2016 22: 16
        +3
        Quote: Ruslan67
        To help?

        Rus, hello!
        hi
        I re-read your hohlosrach ...
        And you know, all these comments turned out to be more interesting than the article (Roman, no offense plz) ...
        lol
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 1 July 2016 22: 22
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          I re-read your hohlosrach ...

          Smirnov would have appreciated ... dignity and not in days of ban sad
          Hi drinks Today we all broke up repeat Walk on the branches yes our bus left wassat
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 1 July 2016 22: 27
            +4
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Today we all broke up

            You naughty ... Take care of yourself, your family, your liver ... wassat
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Walk on the branches

            Read, read ... good
            Quote: Ruslan67
            our bus left

            Most importantly, if the wheelchair was at hand, otherwise
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Smirnov would appreciate

            lol
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 1 July 2016 22: 37
              +2
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Read, read ...

              I thought a lot ... what
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              a wheelchair was on hand

              And your ship won't drown sad
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              . Take care of yourself, family, liver ...

              Family at the cottage yes The liver squeals request But you understand ... the penis got up belay the brain left .. to the family to the country wassat
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 1 July 2016 22: 39
                +5
                Quote: Ruslan67
                And your ship won't drown

                Thank you repeat
                I keep him under the bed
                yes
                I asked the "dacha" for a day off - tama cool football goes ... stop
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 1 July 2016 22: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  I keep him under the bed

                  Have a happy swim and seven feet under the floor wassat
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  tama cool football is coming ...

                  So I look at him request
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 1 July 2016 22: 19
        -1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        To help

        Come on!
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          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 1 July 2016 22: 29
            +3
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Which woodpecker put a plus?

            What’s the woodpecker right away? repeat
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 1 July 2016 22: 51
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan67
            On the! Which woodpecker put a plus? Man goes to the record

            All statistics were broken ... laughing
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 1 July 2016 23: 00
              +2
              Quote: RUSS
              All statistics were broken ..

              Trying N2? what Than I can request laughing
    2. poquello
      poquello 1 July 2016 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      Quote: RUSS
      "You can't wash a black dog to white"

      I scored almost a hundred cons, is it really a record! good

      hilyak, minus 180 per post, though in the spring it was))))))))
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 July 2016 23: 56
        +1
        Quote: poquello
        hilyak, minus 180 per post, though in the spring it was))))))))

        Yes, I’m lagging behind so far 117 minuses .....
        1. poquello
          poquello 2 July 2016 00: 54
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: poquello
          hilyak, minus 180 per post, though in the spring it was))))))))

          Yes, I’m lagging behind so far 117 minuses .....

          never spring)))
  • redeemer
    redeemer 2 July 2016 01: 59
    +3
    He walked from house to house,
    Knocking at other people's doors
    With an old oak panduri
    With a simple song of his own.

    And in his song, and in the song -
    How the sun shine is clear
    Great truth sounded
    Sublime dream.

    Hearts turned to stone
    Managed to beat
    Many woke up his mind,
    Dozing in deep darkness.

    But instead of the greatness of fame
    People of his land
    Outcast Poison
    Presented in a bowl.

    They told him: "Damned,
    Drink, drain to the bottom ...
    And your song is alien to us
    And your truth is not needed! "

    nothing more to add ...
  • Blondy
    Blondy 2 July 2016 11: 50
    +4
    Oh, how much blah blah blah about Stalin. Let’s briefly, everyone knows: a half-educated seminarist, robbed banks, sat, fled, participated, blew the Polish campaign together with Tukhachevsky, dispossessed everyone in a row, plagued the Bolshevik-Leninists, introduced the execution lists, oso, triples, responsible for New Year’s’s party, mass repressions, planted relatives of his elite in the camps, and deported peoples.
    But there is no such profession as a good person - and the bad Stalin collectivized, industrialized, mobilized, won the war. And, in general, as Churchill is credited with, “he accepted the country with a plow and handed over with an atomic bomb”, i.e. From a raw materials appendage (which, in essence, is modern Russia, despite being puffed up with armaments), he created a superpower with which everyone reckoned and respected with respect. After death, he left a pair of darned service jackets from his personal inheritance and two pairs of worn boots - he lowered the rest personally earned to the Stalin Prize.
    Well, and let everyone judge to the best of their depravity. Just do not lie about 100 million victims and the Gulag prisoners burnt alive. Everyone can see the demotivator for lies from s.Starikov (https://nstarikov.ru/blog/23567) with a picture of a certificate submitted to Khrushchev in February 1954, made by Attorney General Rudenko, Minister of the Interior Kruglov and Minister of Justice Gorshenin, where the number 642 is indicated 980 people executed by court verdict from 1921 to February 1, 1954. This also includes members of "illegal armed gangs" from the "civilian" Civil to the Baltic "forest brothers" of the Patriotic War, deserters, policemen, Vlasovites, other collaborators, etc. - Probably somewhere more than half of the total.
    Well, and finally, about deportations, now, in the era of pederast parades, deportation is considered a crime against humanity, and then it was considered a matter of life to ensure state security and not only. And it was by no means an exclusively Soviet phenomenon. Those who wish can google how Roosevelt preventively planted American citizens of Japanese descent into concentration camps, and how the Germans were deported throughout Europe during denazification .... And nothing - no creeps to sprinkle ashes on his head, and only the Russian leadership considered it necessary to tear his shirt on his chest and admit past mistakes. Yes, and if you look, it would be anyone now to protest, for example, from the Crimean Tatars, if they had not been deported then, but judged according to the laws of the war. Of the 200 thousand Tatars, a total of 20 men deserted from the Red Army and / or served in the German National Battalions. This is not counting those who gave the Germans the Red Army, or used them as slaves in their backyards. Well, imagine: every fifth man, and of working age, is against the wall according to the laws of wartime. And how would women with children survive the winter without breadwinners? Probably, in this case, illegal deportation would be preferable to legal execution.
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  • Starik72
    Starik72 2 July 2016 13: 19
    0
    RUSS. I don’t give you a minus, you have picked enough. Take one piece of advice: EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHT SPECIFICALLY! What "Black dog" can you not wash to white ??? Sincerely.
  • Alekspel
    Alekspel 2 July 2016 17: 24
    0
    If you are about Stalin, change the flag, at least to German. And we will remove your epaulette from the sofa.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 1 July 2016 13: 05
    +23
    Good article. It's time to remember with whom our country has become great. And how, thanks to the sons and granddaughters of his enemies, or rather, the enemies of the people, she became miserable and insignificant in the 90s, through the dope of the 80s. It is time for us to free ourselves from the hassle of the 90s and from the injustices of the 90s and 2000s. And begin to rebuild a country in which the people are at the forefront, and not a miserable bunch of greedy oligarchs and officials.
  • Magic archer
    Magic archer 1 July 2016 13: 05
    +39
    The demonization of Stalin and the USSR is one of the main tasks of the West. What nonsense they just write. And the most disgusting thing is that we have many who support this lie ... Unfortunately we lost the information war in the 80-90 years. And now we are reaping the bitter fruits ...
    1. cap
      cap 1 July 2016 13: 13
      +18
      Quote: Magic Archer
      The demonization of Stalin and the USSR is one of the main tasks of the West. What nonsense they just write. And the most disgusting thing is that we have many who support this lie ... Unfortunately we lost the information war in the 80-90 years. And now we are reaping the bitter fruits ...


      I completely agree with the statement of the question in the article.
      However, as with the conclusions.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 1 July 2016 13: 35
      +9
      Magic Archer: Demonization of Stalin and the USSR is one of the main tasks of the West.
      You rightly said that we lost the information war in the 80-90s. It was during these years that this very demonization took place - when everyone was reading articles in the magazine "Ogonyok", when there were multi-million copies of "MK", ​​and everyone went to McDonald's .That was the loss.
      And now the West does not make sense and benefit to make a monster from both Stalin and the USSR.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 1 July 2016 18: 41
        0
        And now the West does not make sense and benefit to make a monster from both Stalin and the USSR. ,,
        you are mistaken. they want to erase their memory, what was the construction of an industrial state, victory in the GREAT PATRIOTIC, social obligations (which were guaranteed and represented by the socialist state) as well as the Russian Federation is the successor of the USSR, so they want to write a script, criminal, , state, and milk.
    3. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 1 July 2016 14: 20
      +13
      Not in 80-90 began to blame Stalin. This Khrushchev tried, but in the 90s they just continued.
    4. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 1 July 2016 14: 26
      +11
      Kamrad, that is why we have such a moronic education - so that people do not have a desire for enlightenment, self-knowledge, but sit on TVs and in tyrnet. Now ask what is a causal relationship and extrapolation (without which it is impossible to understand historical processes at all, to study history itself), it is good if you answer correctly 1 out of 10. We have capitalism, and idiots are the main resource of capitalism. That is the reason.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 July 2016 14: 32
        -7
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Kamrad, that’s why we have such a moronic education

        Do you have children and grandchildren studying in a modern school or university? If so, are they growing the same?
        1. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich 1 July 2016 15: 04
          +8
          Yes, they also do my children. But at home I tell them the right things and make them read the right books. I also teach them to recognize normal people from people like you.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 1 July 2016 15: 29
            -5
            Quote: Mareman Vasilich
            I also teach them to recognize normal people from people like you.

            And what am I? wassat
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              1. RUSS
                RUSS 1 July 2016 22: 22
                +1
                Quote: esaul1950
                D-E-B --- B-L - - -

                Well, that’s what you are all about ..... Oh, but it’s like an adult man.
  • joopel
    joopel 1 July 2016 13: 10
    +28
    It's time to stop lying about the recent past of your country. The fact that Stalin was slandered undeservedly, and Yeltsin was also undeservedly exalted is a huge injustice. It's time to dot it. We should pass on our story to our children and it should not be false.
  • Temer
    Temer 1 July 2016 13: 10
    +6
    The article is very mixed, but in general I agree with the author.
    1. Gronsky
      Gronsky 1 July 2016 14: 10
      +10
      Unambiguous article, unambiguous. The hour is not far off when everything will return to square one and the Kremlin elder (yes, the elder) will be rewarded according to his deeds. For a long time in Russia, disinterested people and people of great spirit, like him were called elders. At least one already pays tribute to him.
  • avvg
    avvg 1 July 2016 13: 11
    +22
    The era of Stalin's rule was ambiguous, but it is not possible to deny that Stalin was the great and wise ruler of Russia.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 1 July 2016 13: 14
      -24%
      Quote: avvg
      Stalin was the wise ruler of Russia.

      Again the same slogans or anything new .....
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 30
        +6
        so you new give
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 1 July 2016 16: 45
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          so you new give

          You just ask him, he will give out the banderlog delirium.
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 1 July 2016 17: 35
            -10%
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            You just ask him, he will give out the banderlog delirium.

            The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova also gives out nonsense?
            1. 34 region
              34 region 1 July 2016 19: 35
              +12
              Russ! 17.35. It can be said that this is the official point of view of the authorities. Only a few questions arise. How were millions of their citizens destroyed if the country's population grew? For whom were hospitals, schools, enterprises, cities built? Indeed, if people are destroyed, then schools, hospitals, enterprises and cities will not be needed at all! Where are the lists and graves of millions of executed citizens? If you take the Germans, then there are concentration camps and ditches with corpses. Where is it with us? For rehabilitation. This is also how to look at rehabilitation. You may again have to admit the correctness of the conviction. Can I find out the suffering of Zakharova from Stalin? Did she really live with him? And survived to this day, staying young !? You have to suffer like that! And if everyone was shot, how did she survive then? Another question is the destruction of their people. How many nationalities in the USSR disappeared during the reign of Stalin?
            2. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 4 July 2016 10: 17
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova also gives out nonsense?

              Link come on !!! See for yourself !!! And I’ll draw the pictures for you myself)))
      2. sdc_alex
        sdc_alex 1 July 2016 13: 39
        +1
        What can be said new about the past?
      3. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 1 July 2016 14: 36
        +14
        But your favorite Nicholas 2, and the country and people betrayed, abdicating the throne. And your favorites, lovers of French bread, white generals, also prompted him to renounce, so they knew that Nicholas 2 was a weak-willed politician. If you have not read or read anything besides Kolobok, it is better to be silent and do not look for fools among the surrounding. For a person who more or less knows history, a ram from history can be seen a mile away from literally two or three phrases. Sell ​​your computer and buy a library subscription.
      4. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 2 July 2016 00: 15
        +1
        Again the same slogans or anything new .....

        And this comment is original ... I will not say anything about literacy.
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 1 July 2016 13: 53
      +9
      Quote: avvg
      The era of Stalin's rule was ambiguous, but it is not possible to deny that Stalin was the great and wise ruler of Russia.

      However, like Catherine II, and Peter I.
      Although most of all I like Ivan the Terrible. That's when the Russian people were happy.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 14: 00
        -3
        Peter 1 the wise, this is one of the most mediocre rulers, whose unconditional achievement was the legitimization of drunkenness and smoking
        his military achievements personally zero, economic in the red
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 1 July 2016 14: 14
          -5
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Peter 1 the wise, this is one of the most mediocre rulers, whose unconditional achievement was the legitimization of drunkenness and smoking
          his military achievements personally zero, economic in the red

          But what about the fleet, the foundation of St. Petersburg, Western technology
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 14: 32
            +4
            what fleet ?!
            Russia is the only country that had an oceanic northern fleet that nearly killed the parsley, with its idiotic decree to build according to Dutch methods and projects
            what about technology, what are we talking about ?!
            What technologies in industry appeared thanks to Peter?
            By the way, about the founding of the fleet, the fleet was Peter and before it, for what for a long time
      2. joopel
        joopel 1 July 2016 14: 15
        +16
        At the expense of Grozny did you sironize? By the way, yes, Ivan the Terrible was a great ruler. He was also undeservedly slandered by the exceptional small shaves there and their suction, then the Russian liberal. But what without them?
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 1 July 2016 16: 15
          -16%
          Quote: joopel
          At the expense of Grozny did you sironize? By the way, yes, Ivan the Terrible was a great ruler. He was also undeservedly slandered by the exceptional small shaves there and their suction, then the Russian liberal. But what without them?

          Yes, all tyrants are undeservedly slandered, and so they are nyashki and geniuses. Did you catch the trend correctly?
          In Russia, the tougher it is with the people, the better. As soon as "his own in the board", so immediately a liberal and we must drive him. Yeltsin danced and boozed ... But Stalin rotted away millions in the gulag and there is no better than him ... I love the Russian soul.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 16: 29
            +3
            Quote: Al1977
            Yes all tyrants are undeservedly slandered

            no, parsley the first is called great
            Quote: Al1977
            But Stalin in the gulag has rotted millions and it’s better not to exist .. I love the Russian soul.

            tell me poorly give exact numbers and also compare it, for example, from the USA

            p / s / the devil knows what time, in the Gulag no one ever drove or even served his sentence
          2. dmikras
            dmikras 1 July 2016 18: 05
            +9
            If millions are definitely more than two?
            And can you name the number more precisely and from what source? (do not offer Solzhenitsyn)
            1. Al1977
              Al1977 1 July 2016 18: 21
              -3
              Quote: dmikras
              If millions are definitely more than two?
              And can you name the number more precisely and from what source? (do not offer Solzhenitsyn)

              What source would suit you. give your source.
              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Большой_террор
              1. joopel
                joopel 1 July 2016 22: 49
                -1
                laughing Wikipedia knew that. This is sooooo serious. Do you see a gopher? No? But he is! Wikipedia!
                1. Al1977
                  Al1977 4 July 2016 09: 54
                  0
                  Quote: joopel
                  laughing Wikipedia knew that. This is sooooo serious. Do you see a gopher? No? But he is! Wikipedia!

                  All the Stalinists are so funny)))
                  Wise guy, and you write your source in invisible ink, guessed?))) Only the Stalinists see them)) He directly killed me with facts))))
                  You have nothing but delirium in your sick heads.
                  Putin, as I understand it, is also a dude who has no sources, and the Pope is an ignoramus))) And only the guardians of the TRUTH, who hide the sources, laugh at all from above)))
                  Amused, clown))
                  Okay, you'll buy invisible ink, whistle)))

                  Evil Stalinists, remembering "when my grandmother was a girl", creaking with a false jaw will begin to minus))) Come on, your last joy in life)))
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                2. joopel
                  joopel 4 July 2016 16: 26
                  0
                  Gentlemen, I recently found out that Alexander Romanov is actually Alexander. The creature is gentle and hysterical. Take care of this woman. It’s not easy to be a moderator, it’s even harder to mow down a man. Even dirty turns of the tongue do not help, all the same, the womanish screech slips. My respect to Alexandra. love
          3. esaul1950
            esaul1950 1 July 2016 20: 07
            0
            And what have you to do with Al1977 and the Russian soul?
            1. joopel
              joopel 1 July 2016 22: 05
              -1
              Do you also think that he is from THESE? The name is somehow strange.
          4. joopel
            joopel 1 July 2016 22: 09
            +1
            Well, why is everything, only our Russians and slanders. The foreign tyrants-cannibals, on the contrary, are all exalted and kissed. The trend however.
  • Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
    Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 1 July 2016 13: 15
    +13
    That's what ... the minus slammed the article? Has Khrushchev appeared in the next world?
    Liberal mold at this time still falls asleep after nocturnal activity.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 1 July 2016 13: 50
      +8
      Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
      Here's what ... minus slapped the article? Has Khrushchev appeared in the next world?
      Liberal mold at this time still falls asleep after nocturnal activity.


      Already -6, wake up slowly. Here is a certain RUSS going broke here, he told us that he reads "like Lenin." The emphasis in particular and the gusto with gusto are nothing new for this audience.
    2. joopel
      joopel 1 July 2016 22: 07
      0
      Grigory Evgenievich, yes there are any creatures in pairs. That ark. wassat
    3. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 2 July 2016 00: 27
      0
      I slapped. For the Great Kadyrov.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 1 July 2016 13: 15
    0
    Stalin didn’t like when they addressed by name or patronymic. Only Comrade Molotov, Comrade Krupskaya, etc. And therefore, when Stalin is called (as in the article) Joseph Vissarionovich, or sometimes in the comments: Vissarionovich (!?), Joseph Stalin is unusual, and Stalin himself would hardly have liked it.
    The article did not like, the reasoning is too loose.
  • Altona
    Altona 1 July 2016 13: 17
    +14
    Since we are constantly taught to compare the information received and check the results, any comparison always turns out in favor of Stalin. No matter what propaganda and propaganda mountains they pile up, no matter what media rubbish they publish. And the more they try in terms of negativity, the more interest arouses "what kind of monster was that", and it turns out that it is not a monster at all. Gorbachev and Yeltsin surrendered the country to foreigners, forfeited "the state's right to violence" by giving it to racketeers, criminals, bribe-takers and other "antibiotics." Therefore, no one passes comparison with Stalin in the interval from the beginning of the last century to the present day. This is an objective fact.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 1 July 2016 19: 46
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      Gorbachev and Yeltsin surrendered the country to foreigners,


      I have read for a long time that during perestroika the USSR lost more people than during the Great Patriotic War - because of the unborn. And how much did Russia lose then in the 90s? And this drunk "temple of Jupiter" posthumously. Yes.
  • kit-kat
    kit-kat 1 July 2016 13: 18
    +4
    I will leave without an assessment for a rather positive assessment of the bandit bandits. Stalin is a great ruler.
  • xoma58
    xoma58 1 July 2016 13: 20
    +12
    To doubt that Joseph Vissarionovich was the greatest ruler of Russia of all time, can only be an enemy of the Russian people. So far, history has not known a person commensurate in magnitude with I.V. Stalin. Although there are many great people in history.
  • 7race
    7race 1 July 2016 13: 23
    +16
    The father of the loser tsar, Alexander the Third. Whoever objects that under Alexander the Peacemaker Russia did not take off to the highest level of the political Olympus, he simply does not know history. And the economic recovery was unprecedented.

    A bit of history. Real, without the above copyright rainbow snot.

    "Famine under Alexander III became a perfect everyday life, the situation became much worse than under his father - the" Tsar-Liberator. " But Russia began to intensively export grain, which was not enough for its peasants.
    They called it that, without any hesitation - "hungry export". I mean, hungry for the peasants. Moreover, all this was not invented by Bolshevik propaganda. This was the terrible reality of tsarist Russia. "

    "Alexander III was annoyed by the mention of" hunger "as a word invented by those who have nothing to eat. He imperially commanded that the word" hunger "be replaced by the word" crop failure. "

    And here is the picture in the subject - the Cossacks (riot police at that time) block the inhabitants of the "hungry" village, so that they do not appear to scatter in the God-saved and do not embarrass the overseas guests with their appearance. Then the surviving children from such villages will remember that time to the Cossacks. The debts will be paid in full.
    omon
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 37
      +6
      and if we add infant mortality here, then the hair will stand on end
    2. heaps
      heaps 1 July 2016 13: 45
      0
      Source indicate.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 50
        +11
        the expression "We are undernourished, but we will take out" belongs to the Minister of Finance of the government of Alexander III, Vyshnegradsky. This was called "hungry export." Export continued even when, as a result of a crop failure, the net harvest per capita amounted to about 14 pounds, while the critical level of hunger for Russia was 19,2 pounds. In 1891-92, over 30 million people were starving. Up to 1,5 million people were fed in canteens opened by the Red Cross. According to official sharply underestimated data, 400 thousand people died then, modern sources believe that more than half a million people died, given the poor count of foreigners, mortality can be significantly higher.

        One of the initiators of the creation of the monarchist organization "All-Russian National Union" Mikhail Osipovich Menshikov:
        “Every year the Russian army becomes more and more ill and physically incapable ... Of the three guys, it’s hard to choose one who is fit for service ... Poor nutrition in the village, wandering life on earnings, early marriages that require hard work at an almost young age , - these are the causes of physical exhaustion ... It's scary to say what hardships a rookie sometimes undergoes before serving. About 40 percent almost the first time new recruits ate meat upon entering military service. In the service of the soldiers, in addition to good bread, they eat excellent meat cabbage soup and porridge, i.e. something that many already have no idea in the village ... "

        Exactly the same data was given by the commander-in-chief, General V. Gurko, on an appeal from 1871 to 1901, saying that 40% of peasant guys were trying meat for the first time in their lives in the army.

        F.A. Brockhaus and I.A. Efron, 1913:
        “After the famine of 1891, covering a vast region of 29 provinces, the lower Volga region is constantly suffering from hunger: during the XX century. Samara province went hungry 8 times, Saratov 9. Over the past thirty years, the largest hunger strikes date back to 1880 (the Lower Volga region, part of the lakes and Novorossiysk provinces) and by 1885 (New Russia and some non-chernozem provinces from Kaluga to Pskov); then, following the famine of 1891, famine of 1892 occurred in the central and southeastern provinces, hunger strikes of 1897 and 98. approximately in the same area; in the XX century the 1901 famine in 17 provinces of the center, south and east, the 1905 hunger strike (22 provinces, including four non-chernozem provinces, Pskov, Novgorod, Vitebsk, Kostroma), which opens up a whole series of hunger strikes: 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1911 . (mostly eastern, central provinces, Novorossia) ”

        Novoselsky "Mortality and life expectancy in Russia." 1916:
        "From 5 to 10 years, Russian mortality is about 2 times higher than European, and up to 5 years old - an order of magnitude ... Mortality of children older than one year is also several times higher than European"

        The average life expectancy in Russia in 1913 is 32,9 years.
      2. MrK
        MrK 1 July 2016 15: 21
        +3
        Quote: heaps
        Source indicate.

        Alexander Kurlandchik. "Damned Soviet power"... on Prose. RU. Number of 640 sources.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 1 July 2016 17: 46
      0
      Quote: 7race
      A bit of history. Real, without the above copyright rainbow snot.

      Why is your story real?
  • Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 1 July 2016 13: 27
    +20
    "managed to drain the whole country to a handful of Bolsheviks quite a Jewish bottle."
    Do not distort our history so primitively!
    In February 17, the "handful of Bolsheviks" were in exile and in exile. The "February revolution" was made by the "liberals" (there it is possible to differentiate, but approximately and in one word - "liberals"). And these "liberals" were unable to retain power. It was "for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland". Having overthrown the tsar, they also crossed out faith, and called into question the concept of the fatherland. And in return then it was necessary to very quickly carry out those transformations that would be supported by the majority of the population. Kerensky and company were not capable of this! Power began to fall apart! This falling power was taken up by the Bolsheviks. Led by Lenin. And among these Bolsheviks was Stalin. They had enough talent, dedication and faith in their just cause to win. And with their victory, they saved Russia.
    Something like this...
    1. Come on
      Come on 4 July 2016 03: 02
      -1
      It is precisely the obscurantist "for the Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland", the unwillingness to share power with the bourgeoisie, as it was long ago realized throughout Europe and led to the revolution. To blame everything on Kerensky and co., That they did not cope, it is not entirely correct, to put it mildly. Russia could not get involved in World War I and emerge victorious, unlike the warring Europeans.
  • triglav
    triglav 1 July 2016 13: 31
    +7
    I completely agree with the author.
  • Monarchist
    Monarchist 1 July 2016 13: 34
    -6
    Dear author, I put you a plus, although I do not agree with some of the allegations. 1, you do not like the fact that Sovereign Nikolai Alexandrovich was canonized? But you yourself acknowledge that he is a martyr, but in general I recommend asking the priests. The Orthodox Church is thoughtful about canonization. For an example: Bishop Isubore of Kuban spoke about the events that preceded the canonization of Nicholas: the sign from the icon, the Royal Martyrs (hundreds of parishioners observed him) are recorded in 5 priests from 3 dioceses and photographs. 2. Why does Poklonskaya venerate Nicholas2? Question to her. 3. It is necessary to honor Ahmad Kadyrov, but the bridge of his name in St. Petersburg? I doubt it
    1. novel66
      novel66 1 July 2016 13: 43
      +6
      I remember that Ostap Bender also fed several thousand believers with five loaves of bread.
  • novel66
    novel66 1 July 2016 13: 37
    +1
    I was especially pleased with the lyrical digression about the "sanctity" of Nicholas the Bloody. The church should not bend to the moment. Respect to the author, Stalin - URA URA URAAA
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 1 July 2016 13: 37
    -3
    Millions of ancestors built our state for many centuries. Ruled by princes, kings and general secretaries. Stalin revived a strong state.
    I didn't quite understand the essence of the author's reasoning about "historical rubbish" and "canonization". The achievements of the people of the Stalin era are undeniable, but the sacrifices were enormous: a degraded village, millions of prisoners of war, the absence of a team of worthy successors. There is no need to "canonize" Stalin, respect - yes. It is better to study his experience in government.

    P.S. I have nothing to do with the nobles, but the contemptuous slang about "crunching a French roll" speaks of disrespect for Russian history and culture.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 13: 41
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      but the contemptuous slang about "crunching a French roll" speaks of disrespect for Russian history and culture.

      what does this have to respect or culture ?!
      "crunch of a French roll" became a household name about a wonderful life under the tsar and terrible under the Bolsheviks, although that crunch was oh how bitter
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 1 July 2016 14: 07
        -1
        "bitter"? ... life in the 19th century in Russia was about the same as in most countries of the world. In terms of the power and development of culture, the Russian Empire was comparable to the USSR in the 40-50s. Both the USSR and the Empire have the right to be respected by their descendants. The modern RF in military power, economy and especially culture is far from the Empire ...
        Those who value the Declaration of Social Justice more than the Russian historical tradition do not support, but also do not ironize.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 14: 37
          +5
          Quote: samarin1969
          "bitter"? ... life in the 19th century in Russia was about the same as in most countries of the world.

          There were 10000 doctors, 1,6 paramedics, 1,7 obstetricians and midwives for every 1,7 people in Russia. In rural areas, 1 doctor per 26 thousand people.

          In the United States, there were 10000 times more physicians per 4 people, in Germany - 2,7 times, in England - and 3,5, in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands - 3,2 times more.

          Of every 1000 newborns under the age of 1 year, 263 children died in Russia. For comparison: in Sweden 70 children under 1 year old died for every 1000 births, in England - 108, in the USA and France - 112-115 ,. in Italy - 138, in Germany - 151. I.e. Russia outnumbered the countries of Europe and the USA by 1,74 - 3,76 times in child mortality.

          agricultural production, billion rubles per capita, rub.

          US 15, 162 157, 83
          Germany 7,727 113, 63
          UK 4,262 92,22
          France 7,727 193,18
          Russia 10 57, 06
          1. heaps
            heaps 1 July 2016 15: 15
            +1
            Indicate source
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 15: 39
              0
              Quote: heaps
              Indicate source

              select the line of text you are interested in and clicks on the search button in ... (google, Yandex)
          2. samarin1969
            samarin1969 1 July 2016 16: 00
            +8
            in Europe of the 19th century there were enough abominations: famine in Ireland, income from "opium" in China, the policy of the most brutal exploitation of the colonies (tens of millions died of starvation in India), the situation of the workers of France and Germany was objectively worse than the serfs of Russia (read "Germinal" Zola ). Among the elite of France and England, there were also enough vices: along with scientists, poets, heroes of the Great Game, there were a lot of morphine addicts, swindlers, bribe-takers and perverts). The army, science, culture, labor legislation of Russia were at the level of the powers of that time.
            At that time, there were dozens of other states in the world in which the statistics you cited are even more depressing. Marquez even had to give up his own truth about life in Latin America.
            The effectiveness of the economic model of the state is only one of the criteria for the stability of the state and does not always coincide with the standard of living of people.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 16: 36
              +1
              no one says that in Europe there was a promised paradise, they just screams about the "crunch of French rolls" they forget about dying like flies (may they forgive me for such a comparison) children, starving village and many other delights
          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 1 July 2016 17: 52
            +1
            Tell me, when you count "per capita" do you include millions of blacks, Arabs, Chinese, etc. as citizens of the same England? I guess not.
            Yes, far from everything and far from everyone was good. It is a fact. But the fact is that nowhere and in no country in the world is there and was no general happiness. As correctly noted:
            Quote: samarin1969
            life in the 19th century in Russia was about the same as in most countries of the world

            And in the same way:
            Quote: samarin1969
            Both the USSR and the Empire have the right to respect for descendants

            A lot can be said about liberals and democrats, but it was not they who came up with the practice of fighting monuments.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 July 2016 14: 51
          +4
          Quote: samarin1969
          By the power and development of culture, the Russian Empire was comparable to the USSR of the 40-50s.

          That's just the political and economic system of the USSR survived the World War. And for the third year the Empire began to have big problems - the same collapse of railway transport.
          During the First World War, metallurgical plants switched to the production of metal for military purposes, and its production for the needs of the railroads decreased from 41 million pounds in 1913 to 28 million in 1916. Orders of the Ministry of Railways were not systematically carried out .

          The number of active locomotives continued to fall. In 1916, there were no more than 16000 of them. In February and March 1917, only 10 healthy steam locomotives from the number of those registered in the state of 215 remained in service, 1916. The mobilization plan (No. 20) stipulated the need for 239 commodity and 19 passenger locomotives, and there were 19 commodity and 856 passenger locomotives on all roads.

          In the country, car hunger was felt in the presence of a rather large car fleet. In 1914, the country had 539 549 freight and passenger cars, in 1915 - 575 611, in 1916 this number dropped to 434 419 cars, and at the beginning of 1917 only 166 684 healthy cars from 590 remained in service. 000 listed on the balance sheet.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 1 July 2016 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      the contemptuous slang about "crunching a French roll" speaks of disrespect for Russian history and culture.

      In the phrase "crunching of a French roll" I do not see any negative about Russian history and culture, so "contemptuous slang" is on your conscience.
    3. asher
      asher 1 July 2016 14: 54
      +7
      But are you sure that it was under Stalin that the village was greatly degraded !?
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 1 July 2016 18: 28
        0
        "Are you sure that it was under Stalin that the village greatly degraded !?"

        Under Stalin, the foundations of the collective-farm system were laid. Despite the hard work of the collective farmers, huge investments in the agricultural sector, Russia could not feed itself.
        The land should have a landlord (tenant or owner (it doesn’t matter). If you worked in the USSR on a collective farm, you know what I'm talking about.

        P.S. The problems of low land in the central regions of the Empire were not yet an insurmountable problem.
  • Black cat
    Black cat 1 July 2016 13: 38
    +4
    Thanks for the good article.
  • svp67
    svp67 1 July 2016 13: 39
    +9
    A few words about Stalin and his place in the history of Russia
    You cannot tell in a “couple of words” about a person who has radically changed the face of my country. Already "minus". And in general, looking at what is happening now on the territory of the USSR, I somehow understand that in many respects Stalin was a liberal, it was necessary to act harder on many points, especially in relation to the "party nomenclature." The people would support.
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 1 July 2016 14: 09
      +8
      What you call "party nomenclature" was born after Stalin's death. Under Khrushchev.
  • Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 1 July 2016 13: 49
    +9
    Quote: RUSS
    "You can't wash a black dog to white"

    If you are about Stalin, then you are wrong. My opinion, of course, but a mile away is the nonsense of Solzhenitsyn and the stamps of any unsatisfied Novodvor. In their hatred, they always distort the facts or take them out of context. According to their perverted logic, all surgeons are sadists and maniacs, because they cut off their hands and delve into the insides of a person.
  • iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 1 July 2016 13: 50
    +23
    Dear Roman. I strongly agree with your article (as well as with many others). I don’t know whose saying, I have already quoted it in the comments, and now I repeat:
    “Stalin was a communist,” say the communists;
    - Stalin was a patriot of Russia - say the patriots of Russia;
    “Stalin was a bastard and a bastard,” the bastards and bastards say!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 13: 56
      -4
      Quote: iury.vorgul
      “Stalin was a bastard and a bastard,” the bastards and bastards say!

      And Putin, what about Stalin?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 1 July 2016 14: 01
        -10%
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And Putin, what about Stalin?

        Putin about Stalin? Well, for example, the fact that - "Stalin's regime was ugly", and everyone's favorite presenter Vladimir Solovyov clearly said that - "Stalin is definitely in Hell"
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 14: 05
          -15%
          Quote: RUSS
          Well, for example, the fact that - "Stalin's regime was ugly", and everyone's favorite presenter Vladimir Solovyov clearly said that - "Stalin is definitely in Hell"

          Well, once respected people said, then it is. The question is closed!
        2. 34 region
          34 region 1 July 2016 19: 56
          +2
          Russ! 14.01/XNUMX. Well, and how did the perfect modern regime surpass the ugly one? Are the current economic growth rates higher than the Stalin ones? Today we build more enterprises and cities? And build without foreign investment? How much has the West invested in the Stalinist regime and the modern one?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 1 July 2016 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: Region 34
            Well, how the perfect modern regime surpassed the ugly

            This is a question for Putin; I quoted him. And to argue and discuss laziness ......
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 July 2016 16: 31
            +1
            Time is already completely different and the economy is also different - Stalinist methods today will not help.
      2. dmikras
        dmikras 1 July 2016 18: 24
        +1
        Unfortunately, the president cannot always say what he thinks.
      3. MrK
        MrK 2 July 2016 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And Putin, what about Stalin?


        It’s violet to me what Putin’s point of view is about Stalin, because he is a hired manager appointed by the people to rule the state, and not the Lord God and the ultimate truth. By the way. Until 1990, he spoke about Stalin in a completely different way.
  • Al1977
    Al1977 1 July 2016 13: 51
    -3
    Stalin and 37-the best that was with the Russian people, so we need !!!!! I ask you to repeat that with gulags and executions, it’s high time to raise Russia to a new level!
    Liberasts must cut down the forest and dig channels! And snitches are in power to sit.
    My opinion is that Stalin should be cloned !!!!!
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      1. Al1977
        Al1977 1 July 2016 14: 09
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Al1977
        My opinion is that Stalin should be cloned !!!!!

        In drunk wassat

        The jailer today drinks
        And so actually I’m serious. This is a national project, right after teleportation. 100 billion have already been allocated.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 July 2016 14: 06
      0
      Quote: Al1977
      Liberasts must cut down the forest and dig channels!

      I think that the channel will not work digging due to the small number of liberals in Russia, they will dig a century. laughing Only disturb the landscape and cause soil erosion.
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 1 July 2016 14: 11
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Al1977
        Liberasts must cut down the forest and dig channels!

        I think that the channel will not work digging due to the small number of liberals in Russia, they will dig a century. laughing Only disturb the landscape and cause soil erosion.

        The main thing is to set a task, and we will find liberals for it ... it was also like under Stalin))) I personally will write a hundred anonymous letters))))
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    4. MrK
      MrK 2 July 2016 14: 17
      -1
      Quote: Al1977
      I ask you to repeat that with gulags and executions, it’s high time to raise Russia to a new level!


      Coincides with the thoughts of Alexander Kurlandchik.
      In his book he wrote: Why is there a terrible degradation of the people - until recently, who was in science, music, literature ahead of the rest of the planet? He couldn’t be reborn by himself overnight!
      It seems to me that private answers like “because they didn’t finish the commies, didn’t hone the elections, didn’t overcome this and that” are ridiculous in themselves. The essence is clearly in something more general, and more and more often it asks for the mind that we have only two ways: or, relatively speaking, the Gulag, tested for creation, or KAYUK.
      And no matter how much you want a third, humane and bright - it does not seem to have been given. For a quarter of a century, we poke into it like Pinocchio with our wooden nose into a painted hearth, but we rest against a blank wall. And who can guarantee that we will find him for the next 25 years? What at the current rate of decay will we extend so much more? ...
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 July 2016 16: 34
      0
      Yes, you do not worry - these informers will be the first to surrender you with all their money - according to the left denunciation.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 1 July 2016 13: 55
    +15
    Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Stalin), the Great Man in our history. In the 20th century, he has no equal in importance Politicians. Under his leadership, the country recovered twice, becoming stronger than before. An objective assessment of the activities of Stalin must be given.
  • heaps
    heaps 1 July 2016 13: 55
    +3
    Oh, how long Nicholas 2 has not been slandered. Everything is itching. And the author is just a broad specialist in church canonization, even steeper than the entire Orthodox Church. By the way, a note to the specialist, "and at the moment they are revered by her as" Royal Passion-bearers "." And stop shitting, Stalin was also banged out, not providing timely medical assistance, and maybe even poisoned. And Nitsche, it was made by the inner circle, and not the agents of the CIA. So it was with the tsar, the then Maidan wanted a europ and a mustache. Draw analogies, history is cyclical.
    1. grandfather Mih
      grandfather Mih 1 July 2016 14: 15
      -5
      Good. Moral and moral values ​​are Orthodoxy. Soul of God.
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    3. dmikras
      dmikras 1 July 2016 18: 30
      +2
      "The then Maidan" wanted to rule and not in Europe, the tsar prevented him from being removed but did not grow together. Now you can draw analogies
    4. mitya24
      mitya24 7 July 2016 14: 55
      0
      Nicholas II is a traitor to the motherland, who plunged the country with his weak-willed and short-sighted policies into the furnace of World War I and the subsequent revolution and fratricidal massacre, together with the ensuing famine, which claimed the lives of 1-20 million people, mostly Orthodox, by the way . There is something to canonize for, right?
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 1 July 2016 13: 58
    +16
    again ... ambiguous ambiguous Stalin ... Carried out industrialization? spent. Won the survival war? won. Restored the country after the war? restored. All. What else does? My grandparents told me about that time .. Stalin. For them, this was the best time ... when they worked for something worthwhile ... they built a country .... and not for a piece of bread and a communal apartment ... and not for the rest in Turkey. And therefore they were happy. Understood then .. that they live not in vain. Not that now. So for me, young ... the issue is resolved.
  • V.ic
    V.ic 1 July 2016 14: 01
    +3
    Yes, today the process is already running. Author Roman Skomorokhov

    Yes, and it is so neglected that it is time to do resuscitation ... Although it has already been said that "not the 37th year."
  • CONTROL
    CONTROL 1 July 2016 14: 13
    0
    Still (+) ...
    Although...
    Someone said that following the letter of the law - or the Codes ... - any active, active person can be imprisoned (at least!) After 35-40 years of life on absolutely legal grounds ...
    Again - "Let him who is without sin throw a stone at me first!"
    Give up? Or - take on the hypocrite and deceive, first of all, yourself; tyrnet - he will endure ...
    ----------
    Everyone had flaws, and advantages, and accomplishments, and miscalculations ... down to crimes ...
    And there will be more! And about statesmen - this is doubly fair!
    (except Yeltsin, perhaps; that's really who "walked" and "slept off" in the country ... here the assessment is unequivocal!)
    ---------
    PS By the way, on "cargo200" you, Roman Skomorokhov, are an accomplice and a supplier of the Donbass "Separatists" ... but I am a dead man ... For what I thank them, freaks ...
  • Million
    Million 1 July 2016 14: 13
    +4
    And who is Mr. Putin? That is the question!
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 1 July 2016 14: 37
      -10%
      Quote: Million
      And who is Mr. Putin? That is the question!

      Who, who is our man!
      1. sds87
        sds87 1 July 2016 21: 34
        +2
        Who, who is our man!

        Excuse me - "our" is whose? Definitely not mine. I had enough faces from his 2000 campaign headquarters. There such personalities shine, which our people "love" very much.

        Putin is a man of Chubais, the oligarchs and any muddy public. But not a man who defends the interests of the common people who voted for him.
        And here are the pearls from the GDP about the destruction of the peasantry, famine (allegedly because of this) and "millions" of victims from Stalin's policy:

        Putin is definitely not my man.
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 4 July 2016 10: 15
          0
          Quote: sds87
          Excuse me - "our" is whose? Definitely not mine. I had enough faces from his 2000 campaign headquarters. There such personalities shine, which our people "love" very much.

          Well, who was around Stalin when he came to power? Zinoviev \ Kamenev \ Trotsky ... And what ??? You will remember who was the Prime Minister in Putin’s first term. So what????
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 14: 39
      -8
      Quote: Million
      And who is Mr. Putin? That is the question!

      For the Stalinists and Leninists, of course the enemy. They write down everyone as enemies who are not with us, is against us. Since 1917, they have been fighting with their people.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 1 July 2016 22: 04
        0
        who is not with us is against us.


        Is there another criterion? For example, "who is not with us - is he for us?
  • Starley from the south
    Starley from the south 1 July 2016 14: 20
    +9
    It is quite obvious that Stalin did incomparably more for the country than Yeltsin. So why is there not a single Stalin Center in our country? And it is not Stalin alone that matters; we know very little about Alexander the Second, about Alexander the Third, about Ivan the Terrible. If we already evaluate their positive contribution to the history of our country, then they, each of them, need to build more than one Center! .. And Yeltsin, in my opinion, did not deserve any Center, I hope in the future, they will understand this.
  • prior
    prior 1 July 2016 14: 31
    +9
    Which Russians are proud of Yeltsin?
    Who is ashamed of the Russians for the achievements of Stalin?

    So that is all!
    1. dmikras
      dmikras 1 July 2016 18: 34
      +2
      You can’t say better
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 1 July 2016 14: 37
    +4
    You can treat historical events and historical figures in different ways. You can give marks, but you can't LIE. The fact is that history is mosaic, and individuals, especially on a national scale, manage to say so many things during their reign that one can concoct any vinaigrette from their statements to please the political conjuncture. In the era of my youth, they loved Lenin very much: he was a friend of all good, and an enemy of all bad. This opinion was confirmed by quotations from Lenin. Then the government changed. And they began to tell us that Lenin was the enemy of everything good on earth (priests, officers, entrepreneurs, etc.), and they also quoted quotes. When they tell me about the holiness of Nicholas II, I recall a quote from "The Twelve Chairs", when at a meeting of the Union of Sword and Oral, in response to the description of Vorobyaninov as the father of Russian democracy, Mr. Kislyarsky, who previously knew Vorobyaninov, throws up his hands and says "Kisa"? Nicholas II in his youth was a famous zhuir and a walker for women. Who does not believe can inspect the Kseshinskaya Palace in St. Petersburg. Then he fell under the heel of his wife, made stupid decisions, and lost the war with Japan under him. Then he was shot. The fact is unfortunate. but he does not give grounds to consider him a saint, because then it is necessary to recognize as saints thousands of ordinary people hanged by the famous explorer of the Arctic Kolchak.
  • sergmorjk
    sergmorjk 1 July 2016 14: 56
    +9
    What to argue if it were not for the industrialization of the 30s, His will and determination in the Second World War would hardly have any of the arguing now born. I doubt if any of us would be included in those 10% of the population that Hitler wanted to leave the entire population Soviet Union.
  • Enoch
    Enoch 1 July 2016 15: 03
    +1
    Judging the sanctity of the Tsar Martyr by its proud concepts is impossible and harmful to the soul. He was ranked among the saints by the Russian Orthodox Church, headed by the Lord Jesus Christ. To put oneself above God is crazy.
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      1. Enoch
        Enoch 1 July 2016 15: 57
        +1
        “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matt. 7: 1)
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  • Antero
    Antero 1 July 2016 15: 04
    +1
    Well written, right
  • asher
    asher 1 July 2016 15: 04
    +6
    I am surprised at our national professional politicians. They organize the most idiotic parties. Or they are trying to reanimate apples that were burnt out and wereted up the trust of the people, fair to Russia, etc.
    While it is quite obvious that the Bolshevik party with the eternal and honest slogan "For the Motherland! For Stalin!" is able to leave deeply behind the party of officials with sycophants - the United Russia Party and the clowns from the Liberal Democratic Party and the Communist Party overgrown with moss that successfully develop capitalism and light candles in the church!
  • dzerzhinsky
    dzerzhinsky 1 July 2016 15: 31
    -5
    What's the matter, admin?
    I put "-" to some comments, but in fact it turned out to be "+". Ugliness!
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 1 July 2016 17: 13
      +2
      Quote: Dzerzhinsky
      What's the matter, admin?
      I put "-" to some comments, but in fact it turned out to be "+". Ugliness!

      You don’t boil, my friend, and master the elementary technologies of using uh-eh ... a page or something.
      1. Move the cursor to the mark.
      2. additional points will not pop up not taken into account mark while you are sitting on the page.
      3. Put yours - and get legal and clear +.
      4. Apologize to the "admins", they love and respect you. For what?
    2. excomandante
      excomandante 1 July 2016 23: 27
      +1
      Firstly, they already wrote to you what was the matter, and secondly, change the nickname, it is unethical. Well, which of you, to hell, Dzerzhinsky F.E.?!
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 2 July 2016 15: 16
        0
        Quote: excomandante
        Firstly, they already wrote to you what was the matter, and secondly, change the nickname, it is unethical. Well, which of you, to hell, Dzerzhinsky F.E.?!

        But it follows that F. Dzerzhinsky can't read. The question is, how did he learn to write?
  • shadow
    shadow 1 July 2016 15: 35
    +6
    VV, Putin: "When we work well, they start scolding us." 63 years have passed since Stalin's death. They still scold. In general, look what kind of country it was in the 20s of the 20th century and what it became in the 53rd year. I especially advise you to watch the life of civil society.
  • 2s1122
    2s1122 1 July 2016 15: 38
    +13
    Stalin preserved and strengthened the state - Yeltsin prosral and drank the country. Here and think which of them is a statesman.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 1 July 2016 17: 16
      0
      Quote: 2s1122
      Stalin preserved and strengthened the state - Yeltsin prosral and drank the country. Here and think which of them is a statesman.

      I think, alas, both. Both relied on the support of the masses. It is true who and what invested the masses in their heads is the topic of a separate study.
  • BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 1 July 2016 16: 00
    +5
    That is who he was definitely not - this is a dictator, namely this role, "tyrant" they tried to bind him. The country was sick, it was "in a fever", figuratively speaking, in political and public life, complex and sometimes dangerous, destructive tendencies. The development of adequate solutions in such a situation is not an easy task.
  • Faust
    Faust 1 July 2016 16: 15
    +4
    We can definitely say that Skomorokhov has a mess in his head. The only thing that is indisputable is the beginning of the promotion of "winners", which put the USSR ahead of the entire planet. And when this practice stopped, the "prospectors" - pissed away everything. But it is precisely this phenomenon that the cashheads are not interested in.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 July 2016 16: 19
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Take the same Nikolai Romanov, the latter. Now - the holy martyr Nikolai Romanov. That the martyr will not argue. About holiness, not sure at all. Here, by definition, everything is clear.
    For this minus.
    a bunch of Bolsheviks is quite a Jewish bottling.
    For this is a plus.
    loser
    Oh, flowed
    The prize went entirely from Stalin’s pocket.
    It turns out Stalin was a rich man wassat
    It seems to me that the time comes to repent before a single person.
    Go see you, good luck!


    Alexander, where does such anti-communism and anti-Sovietism come from ?. What offended you the USSR?
    Well ... just interesting ...
    In 1916, the Holy Synod abolished the New Year tree. German tradition, they say. In 1935, with the filing of Postyshev, Stalin returned the Christmas tree.
    1) Do you celebrate the New Year?
    2) Do you dress up the Christmas tree with your teeth grinding from hatred for Soviet power? Or roll the stopar for Joseph Vissarionovich?
    New Year tree, anyway. also a legacy of the communists.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      Well ... just interesting ...

      I remember I was 15 and adults told me, now in our time ....
      Everything has passed, history has become istria and nothing else! It’s nonsense to read to repent before Stalin. Who wants to repent, I didn’t do anything bad to Stalin during his life. I haven’t yet. I need to apologize to my grandmothers, but not before Stalin.
      Quote: sergo1914
      1) Do you celebrate the New Year?

      Are you Christmas?
      Quote: sergo1914
      2) Do you dress up the Christmas tree with your teeth grinding from hatred for Soviet power?

      When I dress her up, I generally don’t think about any power and never thought about it.
      Quote: sergo1914
      New Year tree, anyway. also a legacy of the communists.

      So what, 300 meters from me, a monument to Lenin, so what? It’s standing and standing, it doesn’t bother me, let it stand. It’s a monument. Even despite the fact that I personally hate Lenin.
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    3. RUSS
      RUSS 1 July 2016 16: 39
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      In 1916, the Holy Synod abolished the New Year tree

      No wonder, there was a war with Germany, the very same Petersburg was renamed Petrograd.
      Quote: sergo1914
      New Year tree, anyway. also a legacy of the communists.

      In December 1935, Pravda published the article "Let's Organize a Good Christmas Tree for Children for the New Year!" It said: "In pre-revolutionary times, the bourgeoisie always arranged a Christmas tree for their children for the New Year. The children of workers looked through the window with envy at the Christmas tree sparkling with colorful lights and the rich children having fun around it. Why do we have many orphanages, nurseries, children's clubs, palaces pioneers were deprived of this wonderful pleasure of the children of the working people of the Soviet country? Some, not otherwise, as "left" benders denounced this children's entertainment as a bourgeois venture. Following this wrong condemnation of the Christmas tree, which is a wonderful entertainment for children, we must put an end. the chairmen of the district executive committees and the public education authorities should help to arrange a Soviet Christmas tree for the children of our socialist homeland. "
      In the three-day period, the trees were everywhere, even among the valiant polar explorers, who arranged for themselves a festive tree made of a mop. The party’s political corrections replaced the Star of Bethlehem with the Red Army star, and the main holiday was not Christmas, but New Year.
    4. navigator
      navigator 1 July 2016 23: 12
      +4
      Quote: sergo1914
      New Year tree, anyway. also a legacy of the communists.


      For information: Before the revolution, the Christmas tree was dressed up, it had nothing to do with communism.
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  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 July 2016 16: 23
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Million
    And who is Mr. Putin? That is the question!

    For the Stalinists and Leninists, of course the enemy. They write down everyone as enemies who are not with us, is against us. Since 1917, they have been fighting with their people.


    As the Stalinists and Leninists fought with their people in the period 1941-1945. Are you confusing anything?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 1 July 2016 17: 20
      -3
      Quote: sergo1914
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: Million
      And who is Mr. Putin? That is the question!

      For the Stalinists and Leninists, of course the enemy. They write down everyone as enemies who are not with us, is against us. Since 1917, they have been fighting with their people.


      As the Stalinists and Leninists fought with their people in the period 1941-1945. Are you confusing anything?

      Confused is wrong. And there is a closure.
  • acetophenon
    acetophenon 1 July 2016 17: 03
    0
    Just don’t tell me about Nicholas II .... I can’t hear or read anything about the person who traveled ... and crap everything that is possible and impossible.
    It’s impossible to imagine the worst dodger. It is not surprising that Christians declared him a saint.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 July 2016 17: 41
      +11
      Quote: acetophenon
      It’s impossible to imagine the worst dodger.

      But why?!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 July 2016 12: 20
        +2
        Gorbachev lived in the USSR - the Soviet Union collapsed.
        Gorbachev moved to Europe - the European Union began to fall apart.
        Mikhail Sergeyevich, can you settle in the USA?
      2. Alekspel
        Alekspel 2 July 2016 17: 41
        0
        And for some he is a beacon of shit democracy and freedom! Freedom to steal.
      3. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 4 July 2016 10: 10
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        But why?!

        I am interested in something else: how "the first person of the State", having maximum access to "GosTayne", can live "beyond the Bugr" ??? Given that my colleague surveyor was given 5 years (!!!) for flying a hang glider and doing aerial photography for his work ??????????
    2. excomandante
      excomandante 1 July 2016 19: 09
      +6
      There is no worse slapstick than a character who uses the word "haunted". If the slightest knowledge about Christianity is absent, then it is worth at least based on common sense not to offend the millennial faith of our ancestors. Or are your ancestors personally not Orthodox?
      1. Come on
        Come on 4 July 2016 02: 28
        0
        Quote: excomandante
        There is no worse slapstick than a character who uses the word "haunted". If the slightest knowledge about Christianity is absent, then it is worth at least based on common sense not to offend the millennial faith of our ancestors. Or are your ancestors personally not Orthodox?


        Looks like people are obsessed with religion, in this case, Christianity. In my opinion, such people are not defined by such a word as insult to religion, but these people themselves.
    3. excomandante
      excomandante 2 July 2016 01: 13
      0
      As many as four minors (intellectually, if not physically) of the Aid.Ruk defiantly did not give a damn about the history of the Motherland and their ancestors, supporting the idiotic text of the notorious ancephalus. Are all four the descendants of zealous Jews or Orthodox Muslims? I doubt it. Rather, they are ordinary mankurts, but simpler, D. urales, who do not understand and do not honor the history of their own people ... This is sad.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 1 July 2016 17: 14
    +5
    Quote: Alexander S.
    again ... ambiguous ambiguous Stalin ... Carried out industrialization? spent. Won the survival war? won. Restored the country after the war? restored. All. What else does? My grandparents told me about that time .. Stalin. For them, this was the best time ... when they worked for something worthwhile ... they built a country .... and not for a piece of bread and a communal apartment ... and not for the rest in Turkey. And therefore they were happy. Understood then .. that they live not in vain. Not that now. So for me, young .. the issue is resolved.

    Plus they were young ... and the young are always happy, well, for the most part, in spite of any difficulties and pluses, our grandparents had faith and ideals ... and now it’s not really with ideals and faith
  • atamankko
    atamankko 1 July 2016 17: 15
    +12
    I remember the rally on the occasion of the death of Stalin, I was then in fourth grade
    and saw how not only women cried, but men did not hesitate to cry,
    at all subsequent rallies and meetings regarding the death of politicians,
    and there were a lot of them, I did not see such national grief.
  • In100gram
    In100gram 1 July 2016 17: 26
    +7
    I agree with the author, it is necessary to rehabilitate Stalin for a long time and give him a worthy place in our history. Of course, there were also flaws, which of us was without sin? It is not known how each of us would act in his place in some cases. And do not rewrite history every time for the sake of momentary interests.
    The fact that he had a pipe from a personal one and a sheepskin coat already says that he served the Country, and not his own benefit. This alone is worthy of respect. Not a couple of current managers.
    1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
      Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 1 July 2016 22: 09
      +3
      I have never seen a photograph of Stalin in a sheepskin coat. In a greatcoat, yes.
      1. In100gram
        In100gram 1 July 2016 22: 37
        -1
        Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
        I have never seen a photograph of Stalin in a sheepskin coat. In the greatcoat - yes

        The sheepskin coat is more comfortable and warmer, but not for photos. And the greatcoat is public property. He even sewed a uniform from softer material so that his neck would not be rubbed. Historical fact
        1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
          Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 1 July 2016 22: 44
          +2
          Given the modern fawning, this is such a trifle, which is inconvenient to mention. As they say in mathematics and physics - a vanishingly small quantity.
  • Thompson
    Thompson 1 July 2016 17: 54
    +3
    Quote: vsoltan
    Romanov

    Alexander, why are you always joking on the air? Skomorokhov (Banshee) wrote an excellent article, and this can be seen in the rating of the article. ... as well as the rating of your comment.

    See him for the Romanovs insulting! Such a feeder has lost a lifetime
    1. MrK
      MrK 2 July 2016 14: 20
      0
      Quote: Thompson
      See him for the Romanovs insulting! Such a feeder has lost a lifetime


      No, he found a good manger. And here comes to fast. It’s necessary to work out the loot.
  • masiya
    masiya 1 July 2016 18: 12
    +1
    A very good topic for those who want to ditch their rating, comrades write more frankly and you will be happy - they will be minded in the board ... from emotional outbursts with or without ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 1 July 2016 18: 36
      +1
      You must be frank in confession. In other cases, excessive frankness is not from a big mind, you need to live as secretive as possible (although it does not always work out, you break down)
      Your comment is rather sassy, ​​did not like. Happiness to you ....from emotional outbursts with and without ...
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 July 2016 18: 47
      +5
      Quote: masiya
      A very good topic for those wishing to ditch their rating

      Who is cut for the rating to that in "classmates" or online games
      1. excomandante
        excomandante 1 July 2016 19: 10
        +3
        A plus! Archival! For some reason I haven't played tanks for a long time, I have to blow off the dust from the "goose" ...
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 1 July 2016 18: 25
    +5
    Our people are clever !!! There will be time, everything will return to "normal". It is impossible to slander history because it will repay it with the same blackness. Stalin is a historical personality and no "well-wisher" will take this away from him.
  • midshipman
    midshipman 1 July 2016 19: 14
    +14
    Here Slava Popov wrote how the Soviet people said goodbye to I.V. Stalin on the day of his death. Glory studied in the 3rd grade. I studied already in the 7th grade. He was the secretary of the Komsomol organization of the 177th school of the city of Leningrad. The school was seven years old. At school, near the bust of I.V. Stalin stood the guard of honor of the pioneers with mourning bandages on his sleeve. Yes, the people were crying, it was the national grief of the great country of the USSR. I have the honor.
    1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
      Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 1 July 2016 22: 30
      +5
      Although I was only 5 years old (without trifles), I still remember the howl (not by order of the authorities, but by my own feelings) that was in the military town. And these were not snotty young ladies, but Guys who had fought with them before Berlin. Lida city (Belarus), Northern town.
    2. MrK
      MrK 2 July 2016 13: 46
      0
      Quote: midshipman
      Yes, the people were crying, it was the national grief of the great country of the USSR.


      Dear midshipman. I think that if people could imagine who would come to replace Stalin in 40-50 years, they would see all the vileness of journalists and mass media serving her - the country would choke in tears.
      [Alexander Kurlyandchik. "Damned" Soviet power ...]