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Still got off the tomatoes?



Perhaps, I am not the only one in the country who has been in the past two days, if not in a stupor, then at least in slight bewilderment from what is happening.

Chronology of events. BEGINNING: 24.11.2015 in Syria shot down a Russian Su-24. The commander died. Survival operation survivor navigator Su-24. The death of a marine of the Russian Federation. END: 28.06.2016, letter from Erdogan with "apologies" addressed to President Putin. 29.06.2016 is a telephone conversation between presidents. 30.06.2016 - Medvedev's statement on the development of the issue of lifting restrictions on the importation of Turkish food products. 30.06.2016 - removal of restrictions on charter transportation of tourists to Turkey. Everything. Finita la comedy.

Versions. At once I will make a reservation that I do not claim for the status of a political observer with the experience. These are my personal conclusions and reflections.

1 version. Blackmail.

Taipych is well aware of and believes the loss of the Russian "tourist embargo." And the situation with tomatoes is also not happy. According to some data, losses from the first and second since the end of last year amount to 3 billion dollars. And 6 billion losses in "other areas of trade." It is also necessary to take into account the lost profits from the freezing of the Turkish Stream, the suspension of the construction of a nuclear power plant on our money, by the way, I mean Russian taxpayers. What to do? Need to solve something. When considering the situation, we must bear in mind that Erdogan is a deeply oriental person, with an inherent mentality, with his worldview. Add to this his considerable Ottoman ambitions, etc.

Delving into the Montreux Convention, in a number of articles on this topic, I never saw a single reason that would unequivocally prohibit the formal closure of the Straits by Turkey by international law. The convention itself? Not.

But the reasons and reasons to close them - the mass. Who helped write this law? Right. And they know their stuff. According to Art. 20, 21, if Turkey is a belligerent or considers itself to be under direct military threat, according to the articles, it has the right to regulate the passage of ships at its discretion. It's enough. Was Turkey under direct military threat after the conflict with Su-24? Yes.

What prevents Erdogan from being again under a direct military threat? Nothing. Of course, this raises the conflict to a completely different level, but nobody thought about the downed Russian bomber either ... The version is so-so. But has the right to life.

2 version. Terrorism.

Strange, but the letter and the conversation took place on the eve and during the terrorist attack, which, if it happened in a well-fed and tranquil Europe, would be called at least MYSTERIOUS. Everyone remembers the resonance caused by the terrorist attacks in France. Politicians went hand in hand, flags on each avatar of the closest teenager, etc. And in Turkey it is permanent. Almost every month.

The thought does not leave me that people are somehow strange about life. A European's life is more expensive than a Turk, a Turk is more expensive than a Syrian, and the Kurds are generally vegetables, I don’t feel sorry. However, it is unlikely that the Turks for Erdogan are less valuable than the Europeans. And when the inhabitants of your country are dying, one by one, the money from the oil stolen and mixed with blood is considered to be somehow slower, and the crunch is no longer so loud ...

I am most alarmed by the fact that at first there was a letter, then a terrorist attack, then a call and cancellation of a tour embargo, and then it turned out that the bombers were a Kyrgyz, an Uzbek, and a Russian. It is interesting. Looks like some kind of political order. Or, probably, the security services of Turkey attacked the terrorists on the trail earlier, and they knew that they had this kind of "international" cell, or the security services of Turkey themselves created this cell, so that later we could add this topic to us.

But, one way or another, the version is that Erdogan already ate a lot of terrorist oil, by the way, its flow was greatly diminished, he was tired of this disadvantageous gangster underbelly. So it's time to collect stones. You see, the terrorists are not at all friends, all the more yours are there.

3. Drain the hosts.

It has become boring somehow recently. Ukraine faded into the background News. Yes, and everyone once loved the Poroshenko, especially in Europe, they have had enough of their problems lately. Savchenko was released. The offensive in the Donbass is impossible. Sucked out the Ukrainian theme. Not interested.

In Syria, too, is not entirely interesting. Government troops are gradually pressing ISIS on a couple of Kurds, despite the fact that there are not many resources for this. Russia seems to be no longer there ...

But Erdogan fun. Billions in losses, refugees, terrorist attacks, Kurds-armed Americans, have not taken to Europe, and they have already forgotten to talk about it, they have deceived.

Who prompted Turkey to attack the Su-24? What kind of sauce did it serve? Take the European Union, help with money, deal with Russia in Syria, a direct bribe? Did not take, did not help, did not understand. Instead, they also began to help the Kurds. Erdogan is an oriental man, sly. And the deception should worry much more painfully, for it has got used to deceive itself. Why is Russia not a partner, even if it is less profitable? But honest and direct.

We do not know what was in the last letter to Putin, and it is unlikely to know. But it is possible to assume that in the next telephone conversation there was a balance on US foreign policy on the Middle East, ISIS, savory secrets and subsequent geopolitical bargaining. Pilot and infantry sorry, honor, pride. But "the state always has interests in the first place" (V. Putin), and, therefore, Tayipych suggested something that was very interesting. And it was impossible to disagree.

But, be that as it may, in the fact that all this time we were just waiting for a formal apology to quickly embrace and forgive the useless misguided neighbor, it is hard to believe.
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  1. Dave36
    Dave36 2 July 2016 12: 53
    +7
    And he will take Basurman and the Crimea will recognize
    1. seti
      seti 2 July 2016 13: 02
      +37
      They are already talking about it. Let's see what Erdogan will say after a personal meeting in Sochi. Anyway, we also need Turkey. Of course, not their tomatoes with sheepskin coats, but as a buyer of gas, steel, and other goods. The Turkish Stream and Nuclear Plant projects should not be forgotten either. These are billions that the budget really needs. The situation in Syria, if the Turks do not interfere, can be solved faster. There are probably other questions as well. It is clear that now you can forget about trust, but you need to get used to and remember Alexander III all the time - "Russia has only two allies, her army and navy."
      We will carefully monitor the situation.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 2 July 2016 13: 06
        +34
        4 version: Business, nothing personal ...
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 2 July 2016 13: 24
          +16
          Quote: Igor39
          4 version: Business, nothing personal ...


          Quote: Posted by Axel320
          But, be that as it may, in the fact that all this time we were just waiting for a formal apology to quickly embrace and forgive the useless misguided neighbor, it is hard to believe.


          The answer is all of you, the truth lies somewhere here, and only a small part, and the BASIC will be in the future -
          Erdogan is ready to clean up the terrorist opposition in Syria
          Erdogan continues to surrender his pocket terrorists. Earlier, the Turkish leader demonstrated his readiness to kill the “sacrificial sheep” in the person of the recent brothers of Turkoman.

          The killer of the Russian pilot, Celik, was detained for at least a year, and the current leader of the Turkoman was liquidated in Aleppo province.

          Now it’s the turn of the Jebhat al-Nusra militants. After meeting with his Turkish counterpart, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the two countries' positions on the terrorists of the Al-Nusra front were closer.

          Russia and Turkey agreed on joint actions against the ISIS and al-Nusra groups, moreover, oppositionists who refuse to separate from terrorists will be destroyed.

          “Those who do not want to fall under the blows of Russian and Syrian aircraft must leave the positions that are occupied by Jebhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State. Everything is very simple, - Lavrov explained.

          Lavrov also recalled that American partners still cannot separate opposition groups from terrorists, although they promise to do so for a long time. In fact, Lavrov voiced Russia's position on Obama’s proposal for joint cooperation.

          ...

          Now we need to think about the post-war structure of the Arab Republic and the American project of federalization of Syria, Erdogan is clearly not to his liking. The Turkish president is closer to the project of "united and indivisible" Syria, since he fears Kurdish autonomy in the north of the country.

          The United States and Europe wrote off Erdogan - left him without money and political support, however, the Turks did not think to give up. Erdogan decided to replace the USA and Europe with Israel and Russia in order to somehow stabilize the explosive situation in the country.

          The attack in Istanbul showed that the terrorists are ready to plunge Turkey into chaos. As many predicted, the militants prefer to get out of Syria and Iraq in the same way that they came. Erdogan simply has no choice, he needs to destroy the militants until they begin to cross the Turkish border en masse in the opposite direction.

          Russia, of course, needs to be wary of cooperation with Turkey. At the moment, it is extremely beneficial, as it leaves the US out of business. However, it is worth remembering that the betrayer will do it again once.(note: there is an old Slavic saying to this: "the Ottomans understand only a stick ...") In the meantime, the joint anti-terrorist struggle between Russia and Turkey opens up excellent prospects for stabilizing the situation in Syria and the entire Middle East.

          Fully - http://politikus.ru/events/79818-plan-obamy-provalilsya-erdogan-gotov-zachischat
          -terroristicheskuyu-oppoziciyu-v-sirii.html
          1. udincev
            udincev 2 July 2016 13: 38
            +12
            Quote: Rus2012
            The answer is all of you, the truth lies somewhere here, and only a small part,

            Probably the way it is.
            At first, I had feelings close to what the author described at the beginning.
            However, the states are the litmus paper:
            and they have a look of confusion and "Erdogan! Change your mind!" - means "We did everything right"!
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 2 July 2016 16: 33
              +8
              And he will take Basurman and the Crimea will recognize

              And this is unlikely. Lukashenko did not recognize, and the Sultan even more so does not recognize. Whatever it was, but the political game between Turkey, Europe, the USA and Russia continues. And for a successful game, the Sultan needs space for maneuver. Therefore, there will be no recognition of the results of the Crimean referendum, do not flatter yourself. Putin does not just punish Erdogan, he educates him. And in order for the punishment to have an educational rather than punitive effect, it cannot last forever. Those tens of billions that Turkey lost due to sanctions will not be returned to anyone. No negotiations. And then we'll see.
              1. tol100v
                tol100v 2 July 2016 21: 40
                +2
                Quote: Mahmut
                Those tens of billions that Turkey lost due to sanctions will not be returned to anyone.

                They understand only the power of weapons and the power of money. What is lost is flowers, the berries of the Turks have not yet eaten. Nobody is going to open lost trading niches for them. And tourism will be a big question! Not All Russians Are For Sale!
                1. krot
                  krot 3 July 2016 06: 03
                  +1
                  I hope that the true state of affairs that Turkey will pay for our downed plane will remain "behind the scenes" "for 50, or 100 years"! Such issues can be resolved quietly. The Turks will not forgive Erdogan for ostentatious concessions. If I am mistaken, then one expression: "It's a shame for the Motherland!"
              2. assam4
                assam4 3 July 2016 00: 23
                0
                . Putin does not just punish Erdogan, he educates him


                Who brings up whom?
              3. Venceremos
                Venceremos 3 July 2016 09: 12
                +4
                Quote: Mahmut
                And this is unlikely. Lukashenko did not recognize, and the Sultan even more so does not recognize.


                That's just it, that they were building-building a "union state", but as in a cartoon about Cheburashka it did not work out.

                Everyone on his mind, and pulls in his direction.
            2. captain
              captain 2 July 2016 17: 01
              +3
              It’s a pity for the pilot and marine, but I would have to put up anyway. And straits and gas pipes and nuclear power plants and cheap tomatoes and a cheap (compared to ours) resort. They reconciled with the Germans, and millions of people died and the Turks will have to.
              1. ICT
                ICT 2 July 2016 17: 59
                +9
                Quote: captain
                With the Germans reconciled
                it's ok with the people
                , and with HITLER WEAKLY (
              2. Weyland
                Weyland 2 July 2016 23: 19
                +1
                Quote: captain
                They reconciled with the Germans, and millions of people died and the Turks will have to.


                With the Germans reconciled - in Berlin, and the Turks will have - in Ankara! angry
                1. ICT
                  ICT 2 July 2016 23: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Weyland
                  in Ankara!

                  they say in Antalya (it seems like all the tickets went apart)
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            3. weksha50
              weksha50 2 July 2016 19: 13
              0
              Quote: udincev
              However, the states are the litmus paper:
              and they see confusion and "Erdogan! Change your mind!"


              There will already be more abruptly, Nuland almost threatens Turkey in this regard ...
          2. ispaniard
            ispaniard 2 July 2016 23: 49
            +3
            Yesterday I listened to Kommersant-FM, the presenter conducted a survey whether you will go to Turkey in light of the fact that flights there have resumed. Answers after the hour given for voting Yes I will go-16% No I will not go-84%. (Let me remind you that Kommersant-FM is by no means a pro-state radio). The fact that the borders with Turkey for the flights of our planes were opened, as stated by V.V.P. DOESN'T SAY THAT THERE IS NECESSARY TO FLY THERE. Or everyone is waiting for Putin to wink at the camera and say
            - We opened Turkey, but you understand that it’s dangerous to fly there ...

            P.S. As rightly said, you can start your vacation in Turkey right at Istanbul Airport ... A few days ago 50 people stayed forever in a hospitable Turkey ... Think HEAD and NOT EGGS AND STOMACH! The situation in Turkey will only increase because Erdogan managed to ... I am ABSOLUTELY WITH EVERYTHING and trust the Security Council of Turkey with your life and the life of your loved ones on your own vacation? Dismiss ...
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 3 July 2016 00: 39
              +7
              Quote: ispaniard
              and trust the Security Council of Turkey with your life and the life of your loved ones on your own vacation? Dismiss ...

              Germans, Italians, Anglicos, Belarusians, Ukrainians and citizens of many other countries fly to Turkey. In Egypt, the same thing.
              I pour in my ears rest, Iol, we have in the Russian Federation belay
              Am I asking for an idea? In Baikal, in the Far East: I’m happy to just have family tickets there more expensive than before tourisland.
              There is still a krymyash, only until the motorbike is built, I myself am not a rider, and I do not advise others.
              The trails are not equipped with elementary toilets, food in roadside cafes is of an incomprehensible quality, but it costs like lunch in a metopol, there are no campgrounds, no hotels, hell-heat flour with children and an endless queue for the ferry + more tickets for vehicles, for a minivan 5 tyrov! !! Yesche Russian "cheap and high quality" gasoline.
              Or by Train and Krasnodar + 2-3 hours of waiting for the bus at a price of 350 rubles for one piece of luggage in the storage room and without a Malomalsky recreation area, either on suitcases or on asphalt.
              And then 6 hours on the bus without kondeya with one stop next to the toilet, which is already above the roof! Then loading onto the ferry along narrow spiral staircases (with suitcases to go) and unloading, too, for very trained people! Plus our Russian rudeness and habalism, which does not allow passengers with children and old people to pass through. Why, you will get to Kerch absolutely "wrung out 2 morally and physically and collapse into the first hut that turns up for 1,5tyr from a brow for a bed, children are now taken in full !! !
              There is also an Armenian film on our coast, a money pump with unobtrusively unpretentious service, but at Greek prices.
              Oh yeah, the star of recent years, the city of Sochi, built from pure gold, but there is a price tag, sho Greece and Turkey smoke nervously, only Putin and his friends can live in Sochi, but I can’t afford it ..
              It is possible in the middle lane, for example, on the Oka, the price tag for a house is 3,5-5 tyr per day (power supply), a la the factory camp site, only the infrastructure purchased from factories and panel "dwellings" that have not been updated since 1991 are directed exclusively to make a profit, new owners.
              Only the campfire romance remains, but small children and their fragile organisms, on the contrary, are hot in the afternoon, + 15 at night!
              The state deprived me of the opportunity to relax in my country, bringing the tariffs and gas prices to the rates of flight to the moon, and then deprived me of the opportunity to relax relatively inexpensively in Turkey and Egypt.
              I am in captivity at home, was taken in the 91st, not giving up and not losing more than one battle
              What do you say to that?
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 3 July 2016 02: 52
                +1
                It is good for us in the Far East in this regard, as we went to China, Thailand and Vietnam on vacation, so we go.
              2. Samarin
                Samarin 3 July 2016 04: 43
                +3
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                Sochi is good only to Putin and his friends to live, but I can not afford.

                And so it was conceived.
                1. Venceremos
                  Venceremos 3 July 2016 09: 00
                  +3
                  Quote: Samarin
                  And so it was conceived.


                  Well, "Livadia", at one time conceived as the residence of the Emperor of Russia ...
              3. Venceremos
                Venceremos 3 July 2016 08: 57
                +6
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                The tracks are not equipped with elementary toilets



                Well, you look, vaasche "Europeanized".

                And romance, and extreme, with the prospect of catching on the ass some sort of exotic tick with an equally exotic sore?
          3. Cat man null
            Cat man null 3 July 2016 01: 24
            -1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            ... The state deprived me of the opportunity to relax in my country, bringing the tariffs and gas prices to the rates of flight to the moon, and then deprived me of the opportunity to relax relatively inexpensively in Turkey and Egypt.
            I am in captivity at home, was taken in the 91st, not giving up and not losing more than one battle

            What do you say to that?

            - I’ll say this: Asya, (censorship), you star like Trotsky ... however, as usual negative
            - get out from under emergency, sneaky coward laughing
            - but you won’t get out - I’ll get it, don’t worry yes
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 2 July 2016 13: 53
          +30
          4 version: Business, nothing personal ...


          Your version, reflects the very quintessence of the Russian era of management. Frankly, I was in a stupor at the beginning of the XNUMXs when I returned to Moscow after a long business trip to Asia. You were all sick of commerce like cholera. The epidemic is still ongoing, although there are already signs of decline. Having broken off the chain of the CPSU, the people fell into the wormwood of capitalism exactly at the very bottom of it. How to recognize a former Soviet person that money is not what a person lives for? Money is a tool to help him live. Like a hammer, if you climb to repair the roof, then take with you one hammer, not a box of hammers, otherwise, there is a chance to cover yourself with this very box. Even in most of America, no one lives for money at all costs. There is a certain balance.

          Now about the business of Erdogan, how much do you think the leader of a large country needs money? Or do you think that, in the spirit of the new Russian capitalist paradigm, power for money? Money is a tool of power, not the most important one, located on the same shelf with all other tools. Otherwise, repeat the story with a box of hammers on the roof. Only the consequences will be unambiguously harder and completely fatal.

          The main reason for Erdogan's "gentleness" was the threat of a full-scale war with the Kurds, when the absence of significant defeats of the enemy, as it happens in a semi-guerrilla war, makes even a minor failure of Turkey large. ISIS, sensing the weakness of the Turks, will certainly untie its b / d there. The Americans refused to actively contain Russia in the region, suggesting that Turkey should do so. Realizing what such a disposition could be fraught with, Erdogan decided to take a timeout, knowing through diplomatic channels that they would meet him halfway. And the situation was not resolved by apologies alone, there are a lot of hidden agreements, and a frozen situation of interests. It is Turkey that has been left with a traffic corridor, with no right to left. At the same time, the pressure on Turkey did not stop, it only weakened in the directions that were asked for. And at any moment it can return to the status quo, but without the propaganda pomp.
          1. unsinkable
            unsinkable 2 July 2016 17: 54
            -4
            Quote: Asadullah
            You were all sick of commerce like cholera.

            Quote: Asadullah
            that money is not what man lives for? Money is a tool to help him live. Like a hammer, if you climb to repair the roof, then take one hammer with you,

            Everyone was sick. Only you are healthy. You are! The hammer can be replaced (for example, with a stone). Why replace money? By natural exchange? This is the philosophy of a person who does not shine to cut money. It’s easy for money, even big money (God forbid that it be at all) you need to be calm. I don’t believe in beserebrennikov. hi
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 3 July 2016 18: 44
              +1
              You alone are healthy


              You are statistically entitled to such conclusions. But with regards to me personally, I am sick of my work. I plan and note with satisfaction how everything happens according to plan. The money allowance is probably still significantly higher than average, I can’t spend so much. A rented car, a middle class, as I hardly ever go home. If there is a desire to ride with the breeze, I take a similar car for a couple of days, mostly um three. The number of things fits in two suitcases for the past twenty years. That is why, I consider it possible to be surprised at people who are few. The man in the first place should be the case. If you do it skillfully, professionally, with love and dedication, then the money will not pass by you. No one seems to work for us for free? Even volunteers are given food and a bed.
            2. anfil
              anfil 6 July 2016 08: 58
              0
              Rich is not the one who has everything, but the one who has everything.
        3. Observer2014
          Observer2014 2 July 2016 14: 29
          +5
          Still got off the tomatoes?
          Personally, yes! Like a feather on a tomato. winked
        4. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 2 July 2016 14: 47
          +32
          Quote: Igor39
          4 version: Business, nothing personal ...

          Perhaps, I am not the only one in the country who has been in the past two days, if not in a stupor, then at least in slight bewilderment from what is happening.

          30.06.2016/30.06.2016/XNUMX - Medvedev's statement on the study of the issue of lifting restrictions on the import of Turkish food products. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - removal of restrictions on charter transportation of tourists to Turkey. All. Finita la comedy.

          We may be at a loss, but
          1. No one can force us to buy Turkish goods - we will not buy, they will stop carrying!
          2. Who can make us go on holiday to Turkey? Especially right after the terrorist attack at the airport ?! No one !
          This is possible and calculation:
          politicians agree, but the people here have the right to choose!
          Is not it ?!
          1. Motherland Russia
            Motherland Russia 2 July 2016 15: 19
            +13
            Rightly said.
            The people should think about their country, not about Turkey.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 2 July 2016 17: 25
              +2
              Quote: Motherland Russia
              Rightly said.
              The people should think about their country, not about Turkey.

              No matter how you think, life will not get better, just like halva is sweeter. Only besides thinking we are not allowed anything else so ...
              Well, Turkey is not one Erdogan. There will be a celebration on Istanbul streets. For the sake of hostility to which international relations is not worth it.
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 2 July 2016 15: 26
            +10
            This was already discussed at the forum and I said above that a lot depends on our choice. Indeed, if we stop buying Turkish tomatoes, what will they import for the Kremlin? What force us to buy these tomatoes? And it is our right to go to rest in the Crimea or Antalya. Travel agencies assured of delight, but I'm sorry to go, so you banged? If travel agencies want to let them go, and we will wait
            1. VICTOR-61
              VICTOR-61 2 July 2016 21: 02
              +2
              where will we go and only the Turkish will sell the tomatoes, the rest will find some nonsense ours they want to please so they will soon do everything that the tomatoes and builders will go and rest until 2 blows in the back of Erdogan - although many media or television broadcast in Europe it’s all bad I doubt they have many pioneers traveling 1 or 2 times cleanliness smiling faces they have no minerals live much better than us look many villages turn into ruins because they do not steal like we live there People are less and we have the rulers of both would be more grab and sit in power-so that the decaying europe inappropriate -narod think for whom you vote
          3. tomket
            tomket 2 July 2016 15: 41
            +7
            Quote: Starover_Z
            we will not buy, will stop carrying!

            Distinguish a Turkish tomato from a non-Turkish one, especially if Moroccan is written on a box of Turkish tomatoes?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 2 July 2016 15: 45
              +10
              Quote: tomket
              , if on a box of Turkish tomato will be written Moroccan?

              Or Belarusian! laughing
              1. garnik64
                garnik64 2 July 2016 19: 52
                +2
                And you have not tried Krasnodar. I have been renting greenhouses from the state farm for 15 years. I have grown cucumbers, tomatoes, peppers, etc. Vegetables grown in the Krasnodar Territory will give odds to Turkish vegetables, everything depends on their price. Every year, people who wanted to process state-owned greenhouses came and they were mostly non-Russians, and then only one person a year. For these half a year, people who wanted to rent greenhouses have reached as many as 6 people and these were young men (Slavs). Until they wait for prices to show themselves.
          4. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 2 July 2016 19: 30
            +2
            Quote: Starover_Z
            2. Who can make us go on holiday to Turkey? Especially right after the terrorist attack at the airport ?! No one !

            tell it to "travel agencies", which are already bursting with applications for tickets to Turkey ... - this is such "patriotism" ...
            1. atalef
              atalef 2 July 2016 19: 56
              0
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Quote: Starover_Z
              2. Who can make us go on holiday to Turkey? Especially right after the terrorist attack at the airport ?! No one !

              tell it to "travel agencies", which are already bursting with applications for tickets to Turkey ... - this is such "patriotism" ...

              Hi Andrew
              Maya Lomidze, executive director of the Association of Russian Tour Operators (ATOR), announced that the first tickets to Turkey were sold, the National News Service (NNS) reports.

              According to Lomidze, sales of tours began before a decision was announced to resume charter flights between the two countries.
              OneTwoTrip Travel Services Development Director Arkady Gines reported a sharp surge in Russians' interest in traveling to Turkey. The number of search queries on the portal regarding trips to the republic, on the night of Friday, 1 of July, increased by 40 percent.
          5. aleks700
            aleks700 3 July 2016 10: 25
            +1
            1. No one can force us to buy Turkish goods - we will not buy, they will stop carrying!
            2. Who can make us go on holiday to Turkey? Especially right after the terrorist attack at the airport ?! No one !
            This is possible and calculation:
            Here we are together and will not and will not go. Most don't give a damn. I don’t buy Baltic sprats, I don’t feed the Nazis. Patriot? I don’t eat ours either (impossible). It is the same with Turkey. I will not take their tomatoes and I will not go. And the planes will be jammed with vacationers.
        5. Ivan Slavyanin
          Ivan Slavyanin 2 July 2016 14: 54
          +19
          I would add that geopolitics and nothing personal! I read here on "VO" A. Volodin's emotions yesterday, which hardly attract an article, let alone an analyst. The headline was "Thoughts aloud ...." So in that epic Volodin drool and complained that Putin had forgiven Erdogan and now again Russians at resorts will fill the killer's budget with their money and buy tomatoes (it's funny even to remember Volodin's words). And there is a question: WHO WILL MAKE RUSSIANS TO GO TO TURKISH RESORTS AND BUY THEIR TOMATOES? PUTIN BY HIS PERMISSION WILL MAKE ME TO GO TO TURKEY ????? !!!! NOBODY WILL EVER MAKE ME GO THERE! And Volodin's groans ended with the words: "... At least a multi-move, at least a multi-move." Well, Volodin is not drawn to an analyst-publicist, just a kitchen talk and that's it. Before R. Ishchenko and N. Starikov, Yulia Vityazeva and Eva Lesovskikh Volodin, as to Shanghai on foot.
          So what I want to say in general: there is no place for emotions in geopolitics. After the assassination of Ambassador Griboyedov, Russia did not start a war, but accepted an apology with a gift in the form of a large Shah diamond. Likewise, now Putin will take from Erdogan in full for the murder of a Russian pilot both in political concessions and in economic decisions in favor of Russia. And splitting the united West (NATO) against Russia is a priority today.
          1. Monarchist
            Monarchist 2 July 2016 15: 45
            +3
            This is what it says here. Do you know what Kisilev and K or Echo will say? If arguments go that BB contradicts himself, and this is very likely. Consequently, BB disobeyed the Washington Party Bureau, and our true party members, the librarians ** - darasty will scold. And Pan Pedro will declare "strict with writing in a personal matter": how can the anti-Moscow bloc be destroyed! Remember how they rejoiced in Kiev over the shot down Su, Turkey began a war with Russia! It was so
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            2. RUSS
              RUSS 2 July 2016 15: 47
              0
              Quote: Monarchist
              Do you know what Kisilev and K will say

              On Sunday we find out, at about 20:00 Moscow time
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 2 July 2016 15: 49
            +12
            NO ONE WILL NEVER MAKE ME TO GO FOR ME!


            Oh, a beautiful country. It is a pity that the Turks live there .......
            1. garnik64
              garnik64 2 July 2016 19: 55
              0
              HUMAN. Honey on the heart.
            2. Al1977
              Al1977 4 July 2016 14: 57
              0
              Quote: Asadullah
              NO ONE WILL NEVER MAKE ME TO GO FOR ME!


              Oh, a beautiful country. It is a pity that the Turks live there .......

              But I'm not interested in politics on vacation, and I relax in Europe and in Turkey))) And then I will tell you with renewed vigor what they all are))))
              In the Czech Republic and Germany I'll drink beer, then In turkey belly I’ll warm it ... and in battle with enemies))))
          3. Douel
            Douel 2 July 2016 16: 01
            0
            What would the words be more significant. An interesting article is here http://ria.ru/syria/20160702/1456259489.html FT talked about Turkey’s concessions in Syria against the background of reconciliation with Russia
        6. yuriy55
          yuriy55 2 July 2016 15: 10
          +3
          Quote: Igor39
          4 version: Business, nothing personal ...


          You just made a mistake in the wording of the version what
          "Business, nothing personal ... just business ... friends" repeat
          1. Sergey39
            Sergey39 2 July 2016 15: 54
            +1
            In business, as in politics, there are no friends
        7. SSR
          SSR 2 July 2016 15: 42
          +2
          Quote: Igor39
          4 version: Business, nothing personal ...

          After the resumption of relations with Russia, Turkey will make a number of concessions regarding Syria, according to the Financial Times, citing a number of sources.

          According to the publication, Ankara can soften its position on the conflict in Syria, in particular, focus on the fight against terrorist groups and move away from the demand for an immediate change in the Syrian political regime.

          “There will be compromises and concessions regarding the Kurds and the rebels. However, Turkey will not completely abandon the opposition, it is not in its interests, ”said Ezzedin al-Salame, leader of the rebel group Fastakim Kama Umirt.

          Bargaining compromises.
        8. TsUS-Air Force
          TsUS-Air Force 2 July 2016 16: 06
          0
          yes all politics is solid business
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        1. seti
          seti 2 July 2016 13: 30
          +7
          If you listen to it then you can quarrel with everyone and fence yourself off with the Iron Curtain. Why and why? Is it worth it? Yes, Russian blood was spilled, and relations deteriorated, but I do not want to. But life goes on and the Big Game continues in the world. In the country 150 million citizens of Russia and Putin should think about the interests of the whole country and every citizen. If He has taken a counter step, then it is not casualness that has been made but there is a need. I am sure Putin does not care about Turkish business and spit on the same Erdogan. But He wants the well-being of the whole country - it means the time has come and the grip on Erdogan’s throat should be loosened.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 2 July 2016 14: 24
            +4
            According to Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, the presidents of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan Nursultan Nazarbayev and Ilham Aliyev played an important role in normalizing relations between Turkey and Russia.
            "Presidents of Kazakhstan Nazarbayev and Azerbaijan Aliyev played an intermediary role. But we want to have good relations with all our neighbors: both with Israel and with Russia," he said, Interfax reports.
            Earlier, the media reported that mediators in the restoration of relations between Russia and Turkey could be representatives of Algeria or Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
            http://www.dp.ru/a/2016/07/01/Naladit_otnoshenija_Rossii/
          2. yuriy55
            yuriy55 2 July 2016 15: 21
            +11
            Quote: seti
            If you listen to it like that, then you can quarrel with everyone and fence yourself off with the Iron Curtain ...


            And if you listen, then you need to turn the left cheek, then turn your back, bend and lower your pants belay


            Quote: seti
            I am sure Putin does not care about Turkish business and spit on the same Erdogan. But He wants the welfare of the whole country - it means the time has come and Erdogan's throat grip should be loosened.


            When they want the well-being of the country, then everything is done so that people in the country begin to multiply (the population is growing) good strengthening state power by injecting honest politicians good people stop fooling around with different political situations around Russia, allowing them to continue to export capital and speculate in currency good
            What well-being will bring a weakening of the grip on Erdogan's throat, when everyone can see with the naked eye that it is impossible to do serious business with the politician Erdogan, including trusting his promises belay
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 2 July 2016 18: 25
              +3
              I completely agree with you. We all waited six months, but it turned out that we and the state were waiting for different things! here WE were waiting for either PUBLIC !!! an apology, not some personal letter (for making it public is an unlucky decision only by our government), or the departure of Erdogan (as with a tie eater - no talk!). It’s clear that there are no tomatoes or resorts at stake (and they won’t tell us the truth), however, ALL will be ready !!! It will be necessary and they will surrender us, and they will surrender you. In the best case, one hundred years later, our grandchildren will learn from the maniac historian for which the men died for the present.
      3. KVashentcev
        KVashentcev 2 July 2016 14: 40
        +17
        That's right ... I need ... gas ... turn the page ...
        But what an ugly and sticky feeling from all this for some reason ... As if I sat on a wet ...
        I will not forgive them for any "need" for Oleg Peshkov and all the meanness that they are doing with the theft of oil from Syria, the genocide of the Kurds, games with Bandera. Or will they apologize for that too?
      4. atalef
        atalef 2 July 2016 14: 54
        +14
        Quote: seti
        Like it not and we need Turkey. Of course, not their tomatoes with sheepskin coats, but as a buyer of gas, steel, and other goods. The projects of the Turkish Stream and the Nuclear Power Station should not be forgotten either. These are the billions that the budget really needs

        and indeed
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 2 July 2016 15: 26
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: seti
          Like it not and we need Turkey. Of course, not their tomatoes with sheepskin coats, but as a buyer of gas, steel, and other goods. The projects of the Turkish Stream and the Nuclear Power Station should not be forgotten either. These are the billions that the budget really needs

          and indeed

          Atalef you don’t get into our disassembly ... or are you in the subject ..? I do not believe...
        2. tomket
          tomket 2 July 2016 15: 46
          +8
          Quote: atalef
          and indeed

          We are waiting for a flurry of articles (as with Serdyukov at one time) about how strong leader Erdogan, how two strong leaders, Erdogan and Putin, will spin Europe together, about how lucky all Russians will be born during the life of Erdogan (and Serdyukov), about the next Putin’s torpedo (or rocket?) Well, how good it gets on the Turkish coast, how divine Turkish tomatoes are, and the rest is small.
      5. papas-57
        papas-57 2 July 2016 19: 32
        +3
        '' means, and suggested Tayyipych something that was very interesting. And it was impossible to disagree. '' Maybe. But it's a shame for the state.
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      7. tol100v
        tol100v 2 July 2016 21: 30
        0
        Quote: seti
        It’s clear that now you can forget about trust

        There has never been much trust and never will be. There are economic issues, but they are secondary. And the Turks will have "pickled" tomatoes and tourists who have not arrived!
      8. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 3 July 2016 21: 33
        0
        Turkey for Russia is a very worthless friend and ally. So it was, is and will be. A lover of cunning plans can again step on the same rake.
    2. Abbra
      Abbra 2 July 2016 13: 03
      +16
      Incidentally, it’s a very likely version ... I don’t think that the GDP went so easily. There was a bargain. And for sure ours bargained for something very substantial ...
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 2 July 2016 13: 31
        +12
        Quote: Abbra
        There was a bargain. And for sure ours bargained for something very substantial ...

        The profit from political bargaining is an extremely unreliable thing. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the results of the USSR-USA summit, American promises on missile defense ... Have we had a lot of this? Even if the contract is on paper, it costs exactly as much as the paper itself, if you do not have a real opportunity to influence the party to the contract. And tomatoes, it tastes better to me from Moldova and Transnistria ...
        1. Simon
          Simon 2 July 2016 14: 21
          +2
          "Profits from political bargaining are extremely unreliable." I agree with this, but Erdogon himself deigned to call Putin and ask for forgiveness, that is, he went to our conditions, although at first he got out with an eye on Europe and America, but they all remained completely silent, so everyone turned away from him. So he had to crawl on his knees to Putin. But now Putin can have serious conditions for restoring economic and political solidarity. I think that most likely he will do so and make favorable decisions for our state. request
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 2 July 2016 19: 31
            +5
            Quote: Simon
            Erdogon himself deigned to call Putin and ask for forgiveness, that is, he went to our conditions


            "So he had to crawl on his knees to Putin"...

            Hmm ... Was that all ??? request recourse

            PS I would also like this, but the reality is far from fulfilling the desired fantasies ...
      2. vlad_vlad
        vlad_vlad 2 July 2016 13: 45
        +17
        can of course and bargained, but:
        - the last 6 months of Lavrov, Zakharov, Kiselev, Solovyov etc. convincingly and on the facts showed what yerdogan radish. Convinced.
        - they speak from each iron about the great power of spiritual bonds and nasty "partners" to whom all means are good to achieve their goals like "Somossa is a son of a bitch, but our son of a bitch." Like the USSR / Russia due to its spirituality above these "games" and "we do not support any African cannibals."

        so now? or the last 6 months, respected people have hung noodles on their ears or something is wrong with spirituality / braces.

        I think now Lavrov, Zakharova, Kiselev, Solovyov etc. convincingly and on the facts should show the people that yerdogan, although radish, but sweet. And then you can, with a clear conscience, eat tomatoes and sunbathe in Antalya.
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 2 July 2016 14: 18
          +2
          Quote: vlad_vlad
          last 6 months Lavrov, Zakharova, Kiselev, Solovyov etc. convincingly and on the facts showed what yerdogan radish. Convinced.

          Erdogan said that he was not a radish, he was framed (a list of substitutions is attached), and now he’ll behave like Putin will say. laughing
      3. the most important
        the most important 2 July 2016 14: 28
        +5
        Quote: Abbra
        And for sure ours bargained for something very substantial ...

        And in return they will send crowds of tourists to the joy of all terrorists ...
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 July 2016 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: the most important
          And in return they will send crowds of tourists to the joy of all terrorists ...

          fool how will they "send"? fool

          They’ll probably be taken to the cells .. what
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 July 2016 15: 50
          +2
          Now only crazy tourists will go there.
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 3 July 2016 00: 35
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Now only crazy tourists will go there.

            New tourist destination? Extreme political tourism? Well, if neither family nor children are sorry ...
      4. tomket
        tomket 2 July 2016 15: 48
        +5
        Quote: Abbra
        . I don’t think that GDP went so easily. There was a bargain. And for sure ours bargained for something very substantial ...

        How about the Jews? Tank + pensions, for something such extremely necessary, archipolous, and strategically important, though secret from all the people.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 July 2016 17: 59
          0
          Quote: tomket
          Quote: Abbra
          . I don’t think that GDP went so easily. There was a bargain. And for sure ours bargained for something very substantial ...

          How about the Jews? Tank +pensions, for something that is extremely necessary, archipolous, and strategically important, though secret from all the people.

          - You were not interested in what kind of pensions?
          - so I’ll tell you, just in case: these are pensions for people who emigrated under the Union and who had already worked out (in the Union) seniority by the time of emigration
          - then these people were deprived of these (earned by them) pensions. Now they will start to pay. And that’s all.

          Decide for yourself whether it is right or not.

          Quote: tomket
          ... for something that is extremely necessary, archipoleous, and strategically important, though secret from all the people

          - mdya ... and what, so in real life does not happen, type?
          - "I want to know" is a very harmful ... idea. "The less I know, the less I will later have to deny" (c) not mine wink
          1. Chisayna
            Chisayna 2 July 2016 18: 22
            0
            Although not in the subject, but you brought it about pensions. Leaving these "people" laughed and quoted M.Yu. Lermontov: Goodbye unwashed Russia ...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 2 July 2016 18: 29
              +2
              Quote: Chisain
              Although not in the subject, but you brought it about pensions. Leaving these "people" laughed and quoted M.Yu. Lermontov: Goodbye unwashed Russia ...

              - seen, heard personally? My doubts negative
              - when I was about 14 years old, one family left the neighboring house. They certainly didn’t do anything like this. I saw it myself (s)
              - and about pensions, my personal position is to deprive people already earned by them pensions due to the fact that a person emigrates - there is redneck. Dixi yes
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 3 July 2016 00: 40
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                to deprive people of their already earned pension due to the fact that a person is emigrating - there is redneck.

                As far as I know, on the promised land, a pension is paid once. That is, he retired - that’s the whole amount due to you. There is no chance to save on the early death of a pensioner.
          2. tomket
            tomket 2 July 2016 19: 19
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - so I’ll tell you, just in case: these are pensions for people who emigrated under the Union and who had already worked out (in the Union) seniority by the time of emigration

            actually, these people changed our country to another.
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            then these people were deprived of these (earned by them) pensions.

            Someone forced them to leave?
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Decide for yourself whether it is right or not.

            They have already cut off a chunk, because it will give this gesture, besides the ghostly sympathies of the Jews, it is not clear.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 2 July 2016 19: 48
              +2
              Quote: tomket
              actually, these people changed our country to another

              - So what? Because of this, their pension, earned by them in the Union, "burned out"? On the contrary, they freed the Union from the need, for example, to "provide medical care" wink

              Quote: tomket
              Someone forced them to leave?

              - specifically the family that I knew - there my father was "eaten" by work (he was a scientist, and very ... not weak). That is, "ate", practically, completely. A sufficient reason?

              - another example: people lived in Komsomolsk, husband - designer, wife - teacher. Both strongly for 50
              - when the money stopped paying at all (that is, absolutely), the wife remembered that she, in fact, was Jewish
              - they had relatives in Israel (they fled there from Ferghana. Remember, there was ... a mess, then, just then they fled)
              - in the end, and these, who also left Komsomolsk ... But they did not deserve a pension here, so this does not concern them.

              In general, it is different for everyone.

              From my course, for example, many left for the States-Canada. In the 80s. Because there was no work here, from the word "absolutely". A sufficient reason?

              Quote: tomket
              what will this gesture give

              - the question was posed differently. Not "what will give", but "is it fair."

              Somehow yes
              1. tomket
                tomket 3 July 2016 00: 36
                +2
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                That is, "ate", practically, completely. A sufficient reason?

                A lot of people ate at work.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                From my course, for example, many left for the States-Canada. In the 80s. Because there was no work here, from the word "absolutely".

                So forgive me, your fled to Canada, because there was a fatter piece there, and those who stayed here and scrambled out together with the whole country should now pay your Canadians for the fact that while the whole country was starving, did they eat out on Canadian grubs? But will not it be fat for your Canadians?
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 3 July 2016 01: 07
                  -1
                  Quote: tomket
                  those who stayed here and scrambled out together with the whole country should now pay your Canadians for the fact that while the whole country was starving here, did they eat up on Canadian grubs? But will not it be fat for your Canadians?

                  Damn ...

                  I seem to have completely confused you.

                  I'm just there gave examples of why people left.

                  "My Canadians" do not apply for a pension from the Russian Federation, since they left here when they were not yet thirty laughing

                  Quote: tomket
                  Many ate at work

                  There was a special case, believe me. And the thing is not what they ate, but the fact that in the vastness of the Union for a person a decent job ... well, it simply did not exist. And for obvious reasons, he did not want to go to the wipers.

                  Something like this ...
            2. atalef
              atalef 2 July 2016 19: 54
              -1
              Quote: tomket
              actually, these people changed our country to another

              And now what? They made their labor contribution to the construction of states - if they changed their place of residence, is that all now? Already not supposed to?
              Quote: tomket
              Someone forced them to leave?

              A person chooses where to live - this is his full right.
              Quote: tomket
              They have already cut off a chunk, because it will give this gesture, besides the ghostly sympathies of the Jews, it is not clear.

              Tomorrow you, upon retirement, will become * a cut off slice * - what's the use of you? so, a burden.
              1. tomket
                tomket 3 July 2016 00: 28
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                And now what?

                And then!
                Quote: atalef
                They made their labor contribution to the construction of states - if they changed their place of residence, so now everything

                It is one thing to change one’s place of residence, and another is the country and homeland.
                Quote: atalef
                A person chooses where to live - this is his full right.

                I don’t deny this, only if I chose a new country, then be kind, forget about the former. And then you have something like this, I found myself a new wife, and to go to the borshechka to the old one, because it is also tasty there.
                Quote: atalef
                Tomorrow you, upon retirement, will become * a cut off slice * - what's the use of you? so the burden

                Well, actually, I’ll retire, my children and grandchildren live here. and if war is tomorrow, then I’ll go to the front, and where will those who fled to Israel go?
                1. Verdun
                  Verdun 3 July 2016 00: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: tomket
                  It is one thing to change one’s place of residence, and another is the country and homeland.

                  Many US retirees retire to live in Canada, Mexico or other countries, because it’s cheaper to live there, without ceasing to be citizens of their country and get what they have already done for their work.
                2. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 3 July 2016 01: 00
                  0
                  Quote: tomket
                  if you choose a new country, then be kind, forget about the former. And then you have something like this, I found myself a new wife, and go to the borshechk to the old one, because it’s also delicious there

                  Alexander, sorry ... not so, not at all:

                  - a person has worked out retirement experience in the Union. All. He owes nothing to the Union anymore. He cannot "go to the front", simply because of his age
                  - he honestly earned his pension. Denying him the payment thereof - at least dishonestly

                  Actually, that's all request
            3. Winnie76
              Winnie76 2 July 2016 20: 31
              +1
              Quote: tomket
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              then these people were deprived of these (earned by them) pensions.
              Someone forced them to leave?

              Your logic corresponds to the logic of Poroshenko. Why pay people pensions, do not care that they themselves earned them. They are separs ...
              1. tomket
                tomket 3 July 2016 00: 30
                0
                Quote: Winnie76
                Your logic corresponds to the logic of Poroshenko. Why pay people pensions, do not care that they themselves earned them. They are separs ...

                You must pay if they recognize and you recognize them as citizens of this country. Are Israeli citizens Russian citizens? How do you arrange life in our country? Probably they work tirelessly, pay taxes, protect their homeland, bring up children in Russia?
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    4. olegfbi
      olegfbi 2 July 2016 13: 14
      +5
      And he will take Basurman and the Crimea will recognize

      Recognizes, well and good! No, no, no. It makes no difference to us!
      As for the article and versions, everything seems to me much simpler and more cynical! Namely: Everyone counted the money / losses and decided that the Bad World is much better than the "Good" War.
      Something like this.
      1. your1970
        your1970 2 July 2016 13: 37
        +1
        If it recognizes, then there will be - LEGAL RECOGNITION ...
        This is a lot, even if one state recognizes, especially not the CIS and not an ally of the Russian Federation
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 2 July 2016 15: 57
          +4
          By the way, our closest ally Minsk still considers Abkhazia and South Ossetia as a part of Georgia, and who recognized Crimea as part of Russia? If only the Sultan "sees" where Crimea is, I will be the first to take off my hat and shout "Vivat! .."
    5. carp
      carp 2 July 2016 13: 20
      +14
      To trust Perdogan, do not respect yourself. Exalted Islamist Dictator
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 2 July 2016 13: 26
        +11
        Quote: carpag
        To trust Perdogan, do not respect yourself. Exalted Islamist Dictator

        It was infa that Mr. Chief Turk established his relations with Israel. What now can you say about respect?
        1. region58
          region58 2 July 2016 14: 02
          +7
          Quote: razmik72
          It was infa that Mr. Chief Turk established his relations with Israel. What now can you say about respect?

          The main Turk also needs to somehow make excuses, because he shouted that there would be no regrets, all of us, and so on ... Against the background of headings in capital letters about peace and chewing gum with Israel, you can write in small print that everything was settled with Russia ... the Turkish people ...
          By the way, about Israel - there the Turks initially demanded something about access to the Gaza Strip ... they broke off, it seems ...
        2. carp
          carp 2 July 2016 15: 49
          +3
          And no one believes him. Just the appearance of a good relationship is more important. But there were no illusions regarding the perdogan. And no one is going to destroy the created strategic tandem with Greece. And to restore diplomatic relations with the Turks, to sell them gas and high-tech products, is that bad? I hope that this will not come to military supplies)))
      2. olegfbi
        olegfbi 2 July 2016 13: 31
        +5
        To trust Perdogan, do not respect yourself. Exalted Islamist Dictator

        I agree with you 500%!
        However, politics is the art of compromise. And the most important thing in a compromise is to win strategically important for yourself. Perhaps for the enemy, this will be the most important in something else. And as a matter of fact, no one is going to "reveal the soul" to Erdogan, but it is necessary to talk!
      3. Retvizan 8
        Retvizan 8 2 July 2016 13: 45
        +2
        It is unlikely that someone is going to believe a word, if there are serious agreements, everything will be documented.
    6. joopel
      joopel 2 July 2016 13: 21
      +7
      Politics is multi-layered. Everyone has doubts and suspicions about this. If an iPhone were engaged in foreign policy of Russia, I would be horrified and the first would start shouting about treason. But, thank God, completely different people are engaged in foreign policy. People who have already proven by their actions that the interests of the state are their top priority. People who cannot be suspected of lying. Dear people, finally. I believe that they had reasons for this. And everything that is done is done for the good. We do not know much, we will never know much, but the course towards the independence and greatness of our country is unchanged. There is no doubt about it. Everything else is from the evil one.
    7. Stas157
      Stas157 2 July 2016 17: 50
      +2
      Quote: Dave36
      And he will take Basurman and the Crimea will recognize

      And what do we do with this? If Putin was strong, it was so necessary, he could, in the end, agree with Minsk and Astana on this! The states of Belarus and Kazakhstan, no less sovereign than Turkey! And recognition in their person would be no less legitimate.
    8. Hon
      Hon 2 July 2016 19: 05
      0
      And he will take it and not recognize, he is a member of NATO
    9. Yarik
      Yarik 3 July 2016 00: 03
      +3
      however, Sharikov
  2. seti
    seti 2 July 2016 12: 55
    +17
    We don’t know the whole truth about the negotiations, but personally, I probably know that, God forbid, his health does nothing for nothing. If he decided to establish relations with Turkey, then the necessary changes have occurred. Let's wait. Personally, I’m not a foot in Turkey.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 2 July 2016 13: 04
      +5
      Quote: seti
      Personally, I don’t go to Turkey

      Experts studied the prices of these tour operators for trips to Turkey with departures until August 31 and compared them with the cost of other beach destinations - Greece, Bulgaria and Crimea. As it turned out, despite the promises of Turkish hoteliers to provide discounts of up to 25%, so far Turkey loses to competitors in the economy segment. The cost of a tour to Turkey for 7 days starts from 50 thousand rubles, while you can fly to Crimea for an amount of 25 thousand rubles, to Greece - from 34 thousand rubles and to Bulgaria - from 24 thousand rubles. True, only Turkey offers traditional all-inclusive food packages.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 2 July 2016 13: 18
        +5
        A friend recently in Yalta was a hotel room with breakfast for two 5800.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 2 July 2016 13: 26
        +6
        I don’t know both in Greece and Bulgaria, but in Crimea it’s utterly devastating, to be honest Ukrainians have ruined the Crimea, there’s still everything from Soviet times! We need to invest a lot of dough now! Then there will be paradise, but prices will skyrocket too! And while Crimea is a sightseeing, nature and monuments .. you will not find a service there, for 25 thousand rubles!
        1. joopel
          joopel 2 July 2016 13: 35
          +10
          People go to the Crimea not to lie in the room. What, how did they drink the sea, or did they tear up the mountains? The sun is the air of the sea, this is the main service of the Crimea! And all this in Crimea is a lot!
          1. Khabarov
            Khabarov 2 July 2016 18: 01
            +1
            Quote: joopel
            air is the sea, here is the main service of the Crimea

            Is that all that almost six thousand offer? I definitely won’t go to Crimea, it’s better to go to Abkhazia - the sea is cleaner and the prices are cheaper.
            1. joopel
              joopel 2 July 2016 20: 36
              +1
              What are six thousand? I didn’t talk about money at all. Here I did not save. It took 15 thousand for gasoline, it is about 1600 km there and the same amount back, well, I traveled around the Crimea without restrictions. Mench’s wheelbarrow eats very well, and serpentines also do not contribute to saving gasoline. By the way, ai-95. Refueling recommend ATAN. Crimeans advised. To my question, a beautiful girl at the checkout, is gasoline good ?, received an honest answer, we are better than others. Draw conclusions. At home, the candles were immediately replaced and the injector was washed with a printers. The check caught fire. He rented a room in Sudak from a private trader. 200 meters from the coast, a spacious courtyard, separate entrance, TV, wifi, condo, refrigerator, table, chairs, wardrobe and a huge sex center. A bathroom with mountains and a cold water, shower, toilet, sink, mirror, everything is very beautiful, clean and tidy. I don’t have to. Come to wash and sleep. Not every day and came. This is 1000 rubles per day. But this is the beginning of June, then it has risen in price. Now there are different prices. Around the tavern, canteens, cafes, eating is not a problem. Mainly held by the Tatars. They cook very well, not expensive. I did not notice a single sidelong glance, but I am observant. There was one small conflict, the local guy hooked up the Lacetti, not much, a little peeling off the paint, not a trace on my bolivar. They tried to run over, but quickly figured out what, they parted in peace. Then he rolled me on a boat. Good people, our people. In general, I did not deny myself anything, well, there a paraglider, a scooter, a quad bike on Meganom, diving with an instructor, were not allowed to go alone, and there were a lot of ladies. How without beauties. Only a little more than a hundred spent. If you go with your wife, then it will be half as much, ladies, they are expensive. laughing so I’d better take the Crimeans money than the Turks. Yes, here's another, traveled all the wild beaches, I do not like the crowd, climbed the mountains in the wild. The local wine is very good, I didn’t drink there, while driving. He brought home a box of wines of all kinds and a box of Koktebel cognac. They ate everything very quickly, Yesocino brandy, gave away wine and fed the ladies, praised. Pure grape juice.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 2 July 2016 13: 49
          +3
          Quote: igorka357
          but in the Crimea, complete devastation,

          SIMFEROPOL, Jun 28 - RIA News.
          The head of the Crimea, Sergei Aksenov, demanded that the deputies of the State Council of the Republic be appointed responsible for the state of Crimean beaches.
          On Tuesday, Aksenov noted that he was ashamed of the poor garbage collection on the southern coast of Crimea, and compared some places with "gadyushnik". He promised to make the quality of cleaning one of the criteria for assessing the effectiveness of the authorities in the regions
        3. region58
          region58 2 July 2016 14: 20
          +7
          Quote: igorka357
          In the meantime, Crimea is a sightseeing, nature and monuments .. you will not find a service there, for 25 thousand rubles!

          I remember my friend from Egypt came, well, I say, tell me how people live there, like the Sphinx, how at all ... Not, he says, the pool is good, everything is beautiful, I didn’t go outside the hotel ... Haha then, I say, climbed into such a distance so that in the pool or something to swim? Offended: what am I, worse than others or something? ..
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 2 July 2016 14: 28
            +3
            Quote: region58
            ... Haha then, I say, I climbed into such a distance,

            I flew to go to the pyramids in Giza and dive in the cleanest (transparent) sea, and that’s it, I won’t fly anymore.
      3. joopel
        joopel 2 July 2016 13: 30
        +13
        I will never fly to Turkey. If I miss their smoked faces, I’ll go to the nearest market and see a year ahead. Now only in the Crimea. Last year I went, and this year I will go in August. Crimeans, not Turksamals will help with my money. I recommend cool places. I drive a car, at the crossing put things in order last year, there are no problems. Everything is fast. And when the bridge is built, the fairy tale will come true. I'm waiting.
      4. Samarin
        Samarin 3 July 2016 04: 58
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        in Crimea you can fly for an amount of 25 thousand rubles

        It is only on the road for a family of 3 people.
    3. almost demobil
      almost demobil 2 July 2016 13: 15
      +16
      [quote = seti] We do not know the whole truth about the negotiations [/ quot
      And let's remember a similar situation with the destruction of the Kursk nuclear submarine. Then, literally the next day, the CIA chief unofficially visited the president in Moscow, the visit was not covered, but after that they cut off and did not raise the head of the nuclear submarine, Russia received a loan, I don't remember how many lard well and did not advertise much the dented face of amerskoy "Memphis". Now a similar political compromise.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 2 July 2016 21: 21
        +2
        Greater respect to you - "respect for ours"!
        Thank God there are people who, in our difficult time, "distinguish grains from chaff"!
        Only there, in the port of Tromso, in addition to the broken muzzle of the "Memphis", the submarine "Toledo" was also lit up without 2 torpedoes in ammunition ...
    4. Amurets
      Amurets 2 July 2016 13: 18
      +4
      Quote: seti
      We do not know the whole truth about the negotiations, but personally, I probably know that, God forbid, health does nothing to him. If he decided to establish relations with Turkey, then the necessary changes have occurred. Let's wait.

      I agree with you. But the author forgot one more thing. EU. What is the EU? The referendum in England froze all Turkey’s dreams of joining the EU. Germany and the Vatican recognized the genocide of the Armenian people. And that’s all negative signs for Turkey. But the real reason, in the near future, we will not know.
  3. nikolaev
    nikolaev 2 July 2016 12: 55
    0
    mustache is fine ..... Well cut him off ... so what? This is normal for a politician.
    the caravan is coming ...
  4. hirurg
    hirurg 2 July 2016 12: 57
    +3
    I don’t think that now and right now, Erdogan will get better.
    The effects between the tomatoes will still be felt.
    1. Karasik
      Karasik 2 July 2016 14: 41
      +3
      Quote: hirurg
      I don’t think that now and right now, Erdogan will get better.

      Naturally, you can destroy everything very quickly, restore it both longer and harder.
      What I really liked in the article is the scheme that the author applied: Date - fact, date - fact, etc., and then his versions and opinions based on facts. So it is necessary to analyze historical events. Only in this case there are too few known facts. Too much is shrouded in mystery: what kind of work the Foreign Ministry did, what kind of negotiations went on the sidelines, etc. It is clear that many felt sour from such a swift reconciliation with Turkey. But to do the analysis prematurely, again due to the lack of sufficient information. I think the real sensations are yet to come.
  5. AleBors
    AleBors 2 July 2016 12: 57
    +3
    It may well be that the author is right. I'd like to believe in it. In any case, our Supreme is not yet seen in inconsistency.
    1. Smoke
      Smoke 2 July 2016 13: 51
      +12
      But agree "Sorry" in the letter, which no one from the public has seen, does not feel like an official apology from the state. It's not like stepping on your foot on the bus.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 July 2016 14: 00
        +3
        Quote: Smoke
        ... in a letter that no one in the public has seen ...

        Under the Union, you (and all of us, by the way) would not even know about:

        - the war in Syria (did you know a lot about Angola, as an example? And about Vietnam?)
        - about a downed plane
        - about all other subsequent events (sanctions-tomatoes-tourists (in the Union, GYYYY laughing), apologies, forgiveness ...)

        And this, generally, was right. For nefig distracted from milk yields and gains, you still did not decide anything in the state’s foreign policy (as now, however)

        Quote: Smoke
        ... the official apology from the state does not pull ...

        - this is just what you thought was necessary to show.
        - Do you know the contents of Putin’s telephone conversations with Turk? No...
        - Do you know the content of negotiations between Lavrov and the Turks? Again no ...

        And this is right again. So it should be, dear.

        And a couple of proverbial sayings in the end:

        - "Chickens are counted in autumn" - this is about "apologies"
        - "You will know a lot - you will not live long you will grow old soon "- this is for you, dear yes

        PS: For a stupid picture - minus, do not blame me request
        1. Smoke
          Smoke 2 July 2016 14: 18
          +4
          And where does the Soviet state in general?
          PS Less to you is not from me, I am not revengeful. )))
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 2 July 2016 14: 32
            -2
            Quote: Smoke
            And where does the Soviet state in general?

            - and while there is secret information in any the state ...
            - and the content of the dilomatic negotiations was kept secret always
            - and now there is too much "freedom of speech", which in fact is freedom to nonsense, what's in the head (and in the head? what) wander. That, IMHO, is harmful yes

            Quote: Smoke
            Less to you is not from me, I am not revengeful. )))

            - catch the plus back ... there the picture upset me simply, but here there is no picture wink
            1. Smoke
              Smoke 2 July 2016 14: 53
              +4
              - catch the plus back ... there the picture upset me simply, but here there is no picture
              Straight Erdogan's apology ... (joke)
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 2 July 2016 17: 38
                0
                Quote: Smoke
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - catch the plus back ... there the picture upset me simply, but here there is no picture
                Straight Erdogan's apology ... (joke)

                - Well ... they called it an earthworm, practically laughing
                - catch another plus for this ... I take revenge, and my revenge is terrible wassat
      2. ICT
        ICT 2 July 2016 18: 02
        +2
        Quote: Smoke
        Sorry "in a letter that no one in the public has seen,

        Yes, he was thinking the same thing, or maybe he was in his letter chmyram radish called
  6. maxim1987
    maxim1987 2 July 2016 12: 58
    -7
    a member of the Yeltsin team that protected the supplies of Grozny oil in the 90s forgave the "supervisor" for IGilov oil. Business
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 2 July 2016 13: 59
      +1
      supplies of Grozny oil


      What kind of oil and where can you clarify? You can’t, then your tongue serves as a decoration under the dog’s tail.
  7. nikolaev
    nikolaev 2 July 2016 12: 58
    +1
    "... to hug and forgive the unlucky lost neighbor, ..." must be replaced with "... to hug and forgive the unlucky lost devil, ..."
  8. kote119
    kote119 2 July 2016 13: 06
    +7
    the reasons why the situation went in this direction should be very serious, the arguments of both sides are impressive, although we are unlikely to find out about them, I don’t think that GDP will be exchanged for Turkish tomatoes, but the situation with the tourist flow is alarming, there are explosions in large cities the main airport every day
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 2 July 2016 13: 17
      +5
      Quote: kote119
      but the situation with the tourist flow is alarming, there are explosions in major cities, the main airport every day

      Well, Lavrov said that-Those who nevertheless decide to go on vacation to Turkey are urged by the Russian Foreign Ministry to first carefully weigh everything - there remains a high terrorist threat, although the Turkish authorities promise to try. "They assured, as President Erdogan assured President Putin, that the Turkish side will do everything to ensure the safety of Russian tourists,"
      So, if someone is blown to shreds by an explosion, then the family will be told - "well, we warned!"
      1. kote119
        kote119 2 July 2016 13: 21
        +3
        I completely agree with you, but then let Egypt open, otherwise it turns out a policy of double standards
        1. your1970
          your1970 2 July 2016 13: 40
          +6
          And they press on Egypt so that orders for helicopters on the Mistral are not gone repeat
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 2 July 2016 16: 12
          +1
          Comrade Commander, I also believe that Egypt should be rediscovered
  9. Wildfox
    Wildfox 2 July 2016 13: 08
    +12
    Erdogan needs a quick positive result so that the throne does not stagger. The Russian Aerospace Forces needs information about border crossings in Syria, where how many Basmachs are going and what they will do there. Come on in Syria, not only the Su-24 pilot and the Marine were killed. The information that can be collected in "friendly" Turkey is worth its weight in gold for the guys who run on the ground.
    More strains the attitude of the authorities as to raise the storm so we are "open", all the media trumpets how Turkey betrayed, and how they achieved something interesting, everything is secret. People, after all, are not trained dogs to take up arms against the enemy at the command of the face, and then go to the booth and shut up.
    Such sharp reversals without direct explanations can cause apathy in the next case of "aggravation" and everyone will unanimously score on the authorities' recommendations not to go somewhere, and they will be right. hi
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 July 2016 14: 20
      -2
      Quote: WildFox
      More strains the attitude of the authorities as to raise the storm so we are "open", all media trumpet how Turkey betrayed, and how they achieved something interesting so everything is secret. People, after all, are not trained dogs, so that, at the command of the face, they take up arms against the enemy, and then to the booth go away and shut up

      - so I say - need censorship, as in the Union (Seriously !!!)
      - and the media - to drive under the bench to the booth and feed exclusively useful (and carefully metered) information with your hand

      As for me, it would be much better than it is now yes
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 July 2016 17: 29
        0
        UPD:

        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Media - Drive under the bench to the booth and feed exclusively useful (and carefully metered) information with your hand

        Votes against:

        - "journalists"
        - lovers of "chernukha"
        - lovers tryndet in the internet

        Correct, if I am mistaken request
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 July 2016 17: 52
          +2
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          lovers tryndet in the internet

          Do we have any? recourse laughing
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 2 July 2016 18: 15
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Do we have any?

            - At you - I do not know. Generally - yes, there is yes
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 July 2016 13: 08
    +2
    No, it's hard to believe in formal apologies. It does not look like GDP, the screams of putinslil, from my point of view, have completely lost their relevance. So far, despite the unprecedented pressure on all lines, the obvious economic INTERVENTION is a simultaneous attack on the ruble, a drop in oil prices (at the peak, four times!) And sanctions that suppressed the possibility of borrowing IN GENERAL - Russia got out of the situation with dignity, and only won. Let's look at the "Turkish Gambit" too!
    1. Salvodor
      Salvodor 2 July 2016 20: 31
      +2
      I don’t know, someone won, and the people basically impoverished, where is the victory?
  11. kepmor
    kepmor 2 July 2016 13: 11
    +7
    In any case, such a swift "movement" of our king to meet yesterday's enemy, Erdogan - "loss of the face of the face"!
    Indeed, it is indecent for a "strong" (the head of a nuclear power) to behave this way — to go to the world at the first call of the "weak", all the more to the detriment of the interests of his people!
    For the sake of decency, I could have endured at least a pause, 2-3 months! No - "forward and with songs", quickly bend under the Turks! In certain circles, this behavior is called "LOST himself"!
    Personally, to me, as a Russian, all this is just disgusting ... some abomination.
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 2 July 2016 14: 20
      +7
      First of all, the speed of decision-making on lifting restrictions on tourism is surprising. Especially after the last terrorist attack. We had a clear reason to "dynamite" the Turks at least until the next season. Well, you cannot so easily and quickly be allowed to put your citizens at risk. It would be time to observe the evolving situation and make final decisions on lifting restrictions. It would be logical and reasonable. And the face would be saved. I personally did not expect this from VVP.
      Most likely, relations with a neighbor should be established, but not at that speed. After all, it should be borne in mind that this neighbor, to put it mildly, can behave ugly and incomprehensibly.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 July 2016 15: 07
        +1
        Quote: x.andvlad
        First of all, the speed of making a decision to lift restrictions on tourism is surprising ... Well, you can’t allow so easily and quickly to expose your citizens to risk.

        - You know, I was once in Dubai, on a business trip.
        - August month (hard off-season ... +50 in the afternoon is normal), because the night at Le Meridien hotel (with breakfast) cost ... 20 green belay)
        - in the morning (half past five, before work) - to the beach
        - a "paddling pool" is fenced off in front of the beach (a grid in 2 rows, by the way) to swim there
        - there is a poster on the grid of the "splash pool" something like "you're swimming here on your own risk" (you have a swim here at your own risk) There are many sharks in Persian Gulf patamushta ...

        Duc, why am I:

        - The Foreign Ministry honestly warned those wishing to rest in Turetschina that it was unsafe
        - if a person is an idiot, then this is for a long time (c) "Diamond Hand"
        - but no one drives them to rest there by force

        IMHO everything is honest yes
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 July 2016 14: 25
      0
      Quote: kepmor
      Blah blah blah

      - I don’t really know, I haven’t read anything (because I don’t have access), but I have my own opinion. Doesn't it remind? It reminds me ...

      Quote: kepmor
      To me personally, as a Russian, all this is just disgusting ...

      - Are you talking about your comments, I hope? Then I, too ... sign up laughing
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 2 July 2016 15: 12
        +4
        Are you still engaged in ... rambling on everyone who has their own opinion that is different from your power, so beloved by you?
        I am absolutely "isosceles" to your "cries of the March cat"!
        Only "especially do not be afraid" - in the future I will not even minus you.
        ... a sailor will not offend a child!
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 2 July 2016 18: 19
        0
        Quote: kepmor
        Are you still engaged in ... rambling on everyone who has their own opinion that is different from your power, so beloved by you?
        I am absolutely "isosceles" to your "cries of the March cat"!
        Only "don't be too afraid" - henceforth I will not even minus you.
        ... a sailor will not offend a child!

        - I said, kepmor, and bravely hid behind the emergency ...

        Quote: kepmor
        ... who has a personal opinion different from yours

        - no ... it’s exclusively for those who purposefully drive ... a blizzard yes

        Quote: kepmor
        and so beloved power?

        - I am?! I love vla ??! You thought ...

        Quote: kepmor
        henceforth even I will not minus you

        - Damn ... and how should I live now? crying

        Well, I don’t even know what
  12. sever.56
    sever.56 2 July 2016 13: 13
    +24
    https://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/934/mqtz307.png

    To me in parallel, what geopolitical goals pursued our
    leadership, going to restore dialogue with Turkey, but citizens,
    which are now rushing to the resorts of Turkey I do not understand. I don’t understand
    people rejoiced at the imminent appearance of Turkish tomatoes and other things on
    our counters.
    Firstly, one must understand that for every dollar left in Turkey
    Russian tourist, and with every bought Turkish tomato, thirty cents goes
    to the budget of Turkey, from which money goes to support terrorists.
    PS I have never bought Turkish products before, before the killing of our pilot.
    it is impossible to eat this plastic, beautiful in appearance, and to taste reminiscent of an ordinary rag.
    1. Salvodor
      Salvodor 2 July 2016 20: 35
      0
      So already rushed off, three times the offers of operators jumped.
  13. seti
    seti 2 July 2016 13: 15
    -1
    Quote: Abbra
    Incidentally, it’s a very likely version ... I don’t think that the GDP went so easily. There was a bargain. And for sure ours bargained for something very substantial ...

    Here I am about the same. Time passed, Putin waited. After all, he knew that Erdogan would eventually have no place to go. Turkey is already surrounded, if not by direct enemies, by so obviously not friendly neighbors. The US, as usual, was thrown like the EU. In general, I just held him tightly by the balls, and at that moment when the grip tightened until I can’t help, Erdogan had no choice but to write this letter of apology. It is clear that he wrote it in his oriental manner. And we will find out what is left behind the scenes, but certainly not soon. I am sure Putin did not sell too cheap. As one well-known character said - "I don't take a bribe, I'm sorry for the State." This is the case.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 2 July 2016 13: 29
      0
      Quote: seti
      ... Obviously, he wrote it in his oriental manner. And we will find out what is left behind the scenes, but certainly not soon. I am sure Putin did not sell out. As one well-known character said - "I don't take a bribe, I'm sorry for the State." This is the case.

      In the East, this is a sign of recognition of strength and they will respect you. And this means that Erdogan got into something very vile, and ours grabbed him. Maybe Putin got some compromising materials from Erdogan through Israel or Iran. But it's just a fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 2 July 2016 16: 17
        0
        By the way, many people like to do this.
      2. Salvodor
        Salvodor 2 July 2016 20: 37
        +1
        What materials? Everything is in sight. Who held what? Do not be naive.
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 2 July 2016 13: 41
      +1
      Quote: seti
      Quote: Abbra
      Incidentally, it’s a very likely version ... I don’t think that the GDP went so easily. There was a bargain. And for sure ours bargained for something very substantial ...

      Here I am about the same. This is the case.


      Judas Iscariot bargained thirty pieces of silver for the blood of his loved one. This deal seemed to him very profitable until the moment he hung on the aspen. Do not be like this negative character, trading in the blood of their compatriots.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 2 July 2016 16: 21
        +1
        Comrade commander of rank 1, explain your idea: it seems to me that there is no analogy here
  14. newcomer
    newcomer 2 July 2016 13: 19
    +2
    quickly the Turks will not work out. the consequences of our sanctions will continue to nightmare the Ottomans. Well, about politics, our GDP knows what he is doing. many fear that the Ottomans will use us. I think that we will now use them in our interests.
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 2 July 2016 20: 26
      +1
      Unfortunately, everything will recover quickly, although what's the difference sooner or a little later. The Turks consistently achieve their goal. The Turkish proverb "you can't cut off your enemy's hand, kiss it and put it on your forehead." More often you need to remember the words of PETER 1. In the relationship of trade between Russia and Turkey, it resembles the relationship between Spain and the Incas. Gold in exchange for a scandal. The nuclear power plant and the gas hub are a trump card in the hands of Turkey against Russia. In my opinion, there are no Russians left in the leadership of Russia. Look at the oligarchs and it will be clear to you who controls Russia. The power of Turkey is the death of Russia.
  15. sergey2017
    sergey2017 2 July 2016 13: 23
    -1
    Vladimir Putin does nothing in vain! If he made such a decision, it means so right and necessary for Russia! We can only assume that in a conversation with Erdogan very important geopolitical issues were touched on US foreign policy in the Middle East, ISIS, and perhaps of course some kind of geopolitical bargaining!
  16. edos1979
    edos1979 2 July 2016 13: 25
    +16
    The opening of the tourist flow looks especially cynical despite the terrorist attack. So who is holding someone tight for Faberge? Now minus. And so I'm going to the record.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 2 July 2016 13: 45
      +3
      You said it right. You can’t go to Egypt - they blow it up, they blow it up in Turkey too - but this is a completely different matter, you can go there. Peskov said you can - then you can! And if some tourist’s shahids are blown up, then immediately to his paradise, to the guria ...
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 July 2016 13: 47
      0
      Quote: edos1979
      minus. and so I'm going to the record

      - you go to the ban. And purposefully. Why do you need it - I do not understand request
    3. armata37
      armata37 2 July 2016 13: 48
      +10
      Who makes anyone go to Turkey?

      I’m not going and my loved ones will not go, because no matter what they open there, they don’t allow, no matter what "all inclusive" they shout about, but I have a fact in my mind: on November 24, 2015, a Russian plane was controlled by pilot Colonel Peshkov was meanly shot down by a Turkish fighter, the pilot was brutally killed.

      PS minutes are not mine
    4. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 13: 48
      -2
      Quote: edos1979
      The opening of the tourist flow looks especially cynical despite the terrorist attack. So who is holding someone tight for Faberge? Now minus. And so I'm going to the record.

      Yes, everything is fine ...! hi
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 2 July 2016 16: 27
        +1
        Khariton, I do not always agree with your opinion, but I am glad for your return
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 2 July 2016 16: 47
          0
          Quote: Monarchist
          Khariton, I do not always agree with your opinion, but I am glad for your return

          I feel shot soon ... But thanks for the sympathy! hi
    5. AID.S
      AID.S 2 July 2016 18: 45
      0
      Quote: edos1979
      so I'm going to the record.

      What is your record?
  17. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 2 July 2016 13: 36
    +5
    I am sure that there is a certain trap for us, perhaps Erdogan plays according to the rules written for him by the United States, and they will try to drag us (without our desire) into some kind of adventure. I do not believe this Turk, he is a dictator, not a strategist.
  18. libivs
    libivs 2 July 2016 13: 37
    +6
    Quote: sergey2017
    Vladimir Putin does nothing in vain! If he made such a decision, it means so right and necessary for Russia! We can only assume that in a conversation with Erdogan very important geopolitical issues were touched on US foreign policy in the Middle East, ISIS, and perhaps of course some kind of geopolitical bargaining!

    You overestimate the policy of our president. And its weakest point is extreme inconsistency and reflectivity. Roughly speaking, fires are prevented by prevention, and not by a convulsive search for methods of extinguishing them at the site of ignition.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 July 2016 13: 49
      -3
      Quote: libivs
      You overestimate the policy of our president. And its weakest point is extreme inconsistency and reflectivity. Roughly speaking, fires are prevented by prevention, and not by a convulsive search for methods of extinguishing them at the site of ignition

      - Crimea, according to rumors, was "prepared" for about five years ...
      “Do you really believe that everything is like this ... spontaneously happened?”
      - miracles, you know, in real life do not happen ... only in fairy tales laughing

      Reflexivity? Nude ... what
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 July 2016 15: 59
        +1
        It was not Crimea that was being prepared, but Ukraine was being prepared — to collapse.
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 2 July 2016 16: 39
        0
        Comrade 1st rank commander, do you want to say that you have been preparing the Maidan for 5 years? "-Crimea, according to rumors" they were preparing "..." Do you know there are different rumors and it is not yet known from what source your information. Did Aksyonov personally report to you or did Pan Pedro whisper? By the way, Yanukovych can also release different information for obvious reasons.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 July 2016 18: 08
          0
          Quote: Monarchist
          You want to say that ...

          - I "want to say" exactly what I said yes

          Quote: Monarchist
          from which source your information is not yet known

          - I know. You just don’t need it No.
          - you know less - sleep better, you know

          And then: I’m nothing categorically didn't claim, didn't you notice? wink

          Quote: Vadim237
          It was not Crimea that was prepared, but Ukraine was prepared - to collapse

          - Vadim, you, as always, are a sweetheart love
          - Ukraine was prepared for the collapse of all 25 years. Slowly and gradually

          That's something like request
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 2 July 2016 17: 08
      +1
      Quote: libivs
      preventable fires

      We do not know what was put out without any statements. It is quite possible that we could now have a friendly conversation somewhere in the trench near Bryansk or Luga, or even lie under a red star (if there was anyone to bury). request
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 3 July 2016 09: 01
        0
        Or maybe again near Berlin?
  19. gur4enk
    gur4enk 2 July 2016 13: 45
    +6
    Sorry! I thought at least they would stand up to the end here.
  20. edos1979
    edos1979 2 July 2016 13: 46
    +9
    Or maybe everything is much simpler? Maybe there are no many ways? Why every time after an inadequate decision by the authorities we are looking for some kind of secret meaning? We are looking for excuses for betrayal. And to send tourists to a country where explosions are booming and Russophobia rolls over is a betrayal of your people. Remember that you all said after the downing of our bomber. what has changed since then?
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 13: 55
      -8
      Quote: edos1979
      Or maybe everything is much simpler? Maybe there are no many ways? Why every time after an inadequate decision by the authorities we are looking for some kind of secret meaning? We are looking for excuses for betrayal. And to send tourists to a country where explosions are booming and Russophobia rolls over is a betrayal of your people. Remember that you all said after the downing of our bomber. what has changed since then?

      We have become stronger ..! And most importantly we understood a lot who our main friends are ..
      those who wanted to have already fled, remained "hidden" .. And those who stayed, I think they will go to the military registration and enlistment offices immediately, in which case! soldier
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 2 July 2016 16: 56
        +1
        Just that "hidden" and dangerous, where is the guarantee that they will only grumble, or maybe they will do something else? Remember our history. At one time (80th) I communicated with a retired captain from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but it’s a pity that when I was young, I didn’t remember much and didn’t write it down. He knew a lot: 40th Grodno, 1950-1952 Lvov, then Baku. I told a lot, and I periodically teased and laughed
  21. meikin
    meikin 2 July 2016 13: 48
    +4
    All the good days!
    In addition to trade and financial interests, it seems to me that the cunning Rajah-Erdogash started blackmailing mattress makers with an open demarche of improving relations with the Russian Federation. Amers oh, how they will not like that in the current tense (to put it mildly) situation in the Syrian-Iraqi region, quite unexpectedly for them, the main Turkish citizen will start some kind of backstage tricks with one of the most implacable opponents. Starting some sluggish body movements towards reconciliation with Russia, Erdogash expects to change his "anger at the mercy" of his amerskoy "roof", like: look, if anything, I can wriggle away from the "main line" ..., think better for now not too late! East is a delicate matter, however ...
  22. askort154
    askort154 2 July 2016 13: 53
    +4
    In my opinion, Erdogan realized that he had driven himself into a corner, the way out of which is only through rapprochement with Russia. Therefore, we abruptly made concessions to the "tomato" in exchange for "the sultan on his knees."
    Now Erdogan will become a problem for the West. Now everything depends on how long he will hold out in office, and how much we will have time to "squeeze" out of him. Today's cumulative problems of the EU, England and Turkey (in general, the US), a tailwind for Russia. I hope we use it rationally.
  23. edos1979
    edos1979 2 July 2016 13: 54
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: edos1979
    minus. and so I'm going to the record

    - you go to the ban. And purposefully. Why do you need it - I do not understand request

    I’m just expressing my humble opinion. You can ban. You can’t ban everything.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 13: 57
      -8
      Quote: edos1979
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Quote: edos1979
      minus. and so I'm going to the record

      - you go to the ban. And purposefully. Why do you need it - I do not understand request

      I’m just expressing my humble opinion. You can ban. You can’t ban everything.

      I do not like whiners. I’ll make you this control hour so that we don’t suffer! Excuse me... hi
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 July 2016 14: 41
      +1
      Quote: edos1979
      Just expressing my humble opinion

      - you do it famously, I must admit ... in less than three days on the site - almost a "complete cavalier" of skulls - it's just not achieved, here a special talent is needed what

      Quote: edos1979
      you can ban. you can’t ban everything

      - the moderator bans. I am a "visitor" just like you. Just three skulls is a ban, as a rule, I talked about it
      - about "all" - yes there are many ... reusable. Only Bug-Bloch-Flies-Termite (with the muzzle of a disgusting negro) is worth something laughing
  24. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 2 July 2016 13: 55
    -6
    For me, the most significant argument in this story will only be Turkey’s recognition of Crimea! Guys, do not say, but for Russia it is very important!
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 14: 00
      -5
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      For me, the most significant argument in this story will only be Turkey’s recognition of Crimea! Guys, do not say, but for Russia it is very important!

      I agree .. but he was already OUR! Now let's see ....
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 2 July 2016 15: 49
        -6
        ,
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        - the moderator bans. I am a "visitor" just like you. Just three skulls is a ban, as a rule, I talked about it

        Banit Admin! This is a troll from "whining" .....))) I shot, but he is still alive ... soldier Someone finish it ...! I do not like when they whine ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 July 2016 16: 38
          +4
          Quote: Chariton
          I shot, but he's still alive ...

          You, Vital, have also been shot weakly recently. And stable. What happened? With a head like, order?
          1. Khariton
            Khariton 2 July 2016 16: 52
            -2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Chariton
            I shot, but he's still alive ...

            You, Vital, have also been shot weakly recently. And stable. What happened? With a head like, order?

            Everything is fine ... I just read a lot and anger takes! angry
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 July 2016 17: 02
              +4
              Quote: Chariton
              I read a lot and takes anger!

              Better a bunch of sod. And you will be angry - again you will put the motor.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 2 July 2016 17: 14
          +2
          Quote: Chariton
          ".....))) I shot, but he is still alive ... Someone finish him off ...! I don't like when they whine ...

          Neighing! good
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 2 July 2016 14: 13
      +1
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      For me, the most significant argument in this story will only be Turkey’s recognition of Crimea! Guys, do not say, but for Russia it is very important!


      Firstly, Turkey will never recognize Crimea as ours. And does not recognize Ukrainian. Recognizes only his own, for it has historical foundations. Secondly, what is the fundamental importance of the recognition of Crimea as our one state, if all other states do not recognize the world? And are we not paying too much attention to this recognition-non-recognition? Is the complex like this?
  25. libivs
    libivs 2 July 2016 13: 58
    +4
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: libivs
    You overestimate the policy of our president. And its weakest point is extreme inconsistency and reflectivity. Roughly speaking, fires are prevented by prevention, and not by a convulsive search for methods of extinguishing them at the site of ignition

    - Crimea, according to rumors, was "prepared" for about five years ...
    “Do you really believe that everything is like this ... spontaneously happened?”
    - miracles, you know, in real life do not happen ... only in fairy tales laughing

    Reflexivity? Nude ... what

    That is, you say that the Kremlin was aware of Maidan 2.0 in Kiev already 5 years ago? My friend, in this case it smells of criminal inaction of senior officials who are obliged to develop a set of preventive measures. Especially in light of the activities of our "ambassador" Zurabov, who, instead of his direct responsibilities of promoting Russia's interests in Ukraine, was, again, rumored to be promoting his own pharmacy business ... Miracles do not happen.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 July 2016 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: libivs
      You claim that the Kremlin was aware of Maidan 2.0 in Kiev 5 years ago?

      - no, I do not state this
      - I have reason to believe that they knew about the upcoming Maidan in the Kremlin
      - The re-election of the President of Ukraine (around 2015, EMNIP) was considered the expected date of this maidan.
      - Maidan 2014 - it was a false start (for some reason, the puppeteers decided to speed everything up, although it was still not ready)

      Quote: libivs
      smacks of the criminal inaction of senior officials obliged develop a set of proactive measures

      - it was late drink borjomi. The coup in Ukraine began to prepare (in the broad sense of the word) even Kuchma and the Kuchmanauts. "Ukraine is not Russia", well, and further in the text
      - competing with the States on the field prepared by them - it's like playing poker against the dollar millionaire yes
      - therefore, this Maidan was inevitable, as crisis of the world bourgeoisie sunset in the evening
      - at the same time - they knew about him, they expected him and prepared for him
      - I do not see here "criminal inaction" nirazu request

      Quote: libivs
      our "ambassador" Zurabov

      - you know ... what country, such and it settled wink

      Quote: libivs
      Miracles really do not happen

      - here I am about what laughing

      All IMHO, naturally (just in case, just)
      1. libivs
        libivs 2 July 2016 17: 28
        +1
        Let's just say that the assertion that the Maidan was inevitable is nothing more than complacency and self-justification for one’s own inaction. It was possible to arrange work with our people (and how did they turn out to be, even in Kiev) and, relatively speaking, pro-Russian organizations? Can. Could economic measures be prepared for such a case? It is possible, but instead we provided the Ukrainian defense industry with work to the detriment of our own. Was it possible to organize sane information support for anti-Maidan? Can. There are lots of points that could be done. At least elementary: explicitly warn Vegetable about a tough reaction to his cunning ... e maneuvers with European integration. Or at least stop tearful telephone diplomacy, when the main economic interstate activity was carried out at the level of oligarchic agreements. Only really late to drink Borjomi. And the Kremlin felt it only in the spring of 13, when the naval officers began reporting on the unhealthy interest of amers in infrastructure facilities in Sevastopol ... And yet ... The ambassador’s personality speaks primarily about the country that sent him.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 July 2016 17: 46
          +1
          Quote: libivs
          blah blah blah

          - hindsight is all strong (proverb)
          - I repeat - replaying the Americans on their field was already unrealistic. Too good this field was .. um .. cleared. Here, read the topic, if not breaking:


          Quote: libivs
          The personality of the ambassador speaks above all about the country that sent him

          - if there were even Lavrov himself an ambassador - nothing would have changed
          - and Zurabov received an "honorary appointment": "ambassador to Zopa." No more yes
          1. libivs
            libivs 2 July 2016 18: 08
            0
            With all due respect, I can’t share your point of view. For every tricky one, you know, there should be something that you also know. For every Amersky NPO there should have been our NPO. For every Bandera camp, there should have been our camp, well, say reenactors. Did you feel sorry for the money? So, they were found at the corporate parties of Rusnano and the Yeltsin centers. So now I personally feel very sorry for our peaceful people who are dying in the Donbass under ukrovermaht shells. In the end, after all, it was a key vital for the very existence of Russia, the territory of now former Ukraine. This problem is hundreds of times more important than five Turkey combined.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 2 July 2016 20: 29
              +3
              Quote: libivs
              For every Amersky NPO there should have been our NPO. For every Bandera camp, there should have been our camp, let's say reenactors

              - sorry, no breath:

              I want to have a wife, but I do not have the opportunity.
              I can get a goat, but I have no desire ...

              - there was no opportunity, either technical or financial, to break down what the Americans had built there
              - read the article already that I brought it upstairs - everything is very clearly laid out there

              Quote: libivs
              Did you feel sorry for the money? So on corporate parties of Rusnano and Yeltsin centers they also found

              - funds are not comparable, dear. You can’t buy a Mercedes for a hundred rubles ...

              Quote: libivs
              I personally personally feel very sorry for our peaceful people dying in the Donbass under ukrovermaht shells

              - sorry for the bee ... you know where
              - The people in Ukraine watched for 25 years how they were being led to the slaughter. Now they brought them
              - about the humcon convoys, northerly winds and stuff - I won’t. I can only say that if it were not for the direct support of the Russian Federation, LDN would be crushed a year ago

              Quote: libivs
              In the end, after all, it was about ... the territory of the former Ukraine now. This problem is hundreds of times more important than five Turkey combined

              - and you ... analyte wink
              - the struggle for Ukraine should have started 15 years ago. And now a generation has already been raised there, for which Russia is an enemy and an oppressor. This is just one of the reasons why the "forceful" solution in Ukraine ... did not roll and does not roll. Unfortunately.

              That's something like request
              1. libivs
                libivs 2 July 2016 21: 28
                +2
                The issue is not about money, but about the presence of political will and the lack of a clear understanding of the situation. We didn't have money for the army either, but suddenly we found it. Now, in time, it was really necessary to start working with Ukraine 15 years ago, but after the first Maidan it became clear that Houston had problems, and these problems need to be solved better late than never. What was done instead? A Kharkiv piece of paper was signed, television victorious fanfare was heard, Yanukovych was praised for his type of pro-Russian character, and that's it ... Now there are humanitarian convoys, military organizations, a no-fly zone, but this is all there, there is only no answer to the question: what next? How many mistakes were made by our management in spring-autumn 2014? Weight. In the first place, why was it necessary to recognize elections that were obviously illegitimate? To talk to Petya? To do this, it was not necessary to recognize them. Second, why did the demarcation line remain near highly populated urban agglomerations? Why was Mariupol not taken, already practically surrounded and abandoned by Euro-Khokhols? (is it because Akhmetov asked?). And these are why, why, why there are a lot of gentlemen guardians ... The reason most likely lies in the rivalry of two well-known groups within the ruling Russian elite. Dead end, sir. And how we will get out of this impasse I have no idea. This is the kind of analyst I am ... Perhaps I am somewhat emotional, but here it is ... my relatives are in Red Ray.
                1. nemec55
                  nemec55 2 July 2016 21: 58
                  +1
                  True write, I would say in one word watered, pros, the prostitutes we have in power.
                  Remember the film, "white came a white hat, red came to change it to a red one" That's how they feed us, but we, like rams, only have time to change hats, only a few begin to get bored and people wonder what the hell is going on ???.
                2. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 2 July 2016 22: 33
                  0
                  And you ... persistent what Okay:

                  Quote: libivs
                  It’s not a question of money, but the presence of political will and a lack of a clear understanding of the situation

                  - read the article (mother) already. I will not speak with you anymore - for the futility of the process. You are in the third round already the same thing to me, you did not notice? I noticed fool

                  Quote: libivs
                  why was it necessary to recognize the elections, obviously illegitimate?

                  - "girl, do not say words just because they are long and beautiful" (c) Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland"
                  - "legitimate" = "endowed with the confidence of the people." Elections cannot be "legitimate"
                  - election observers in Ukraine confirmed that everything was tip-top. All. Sha. After that, Poroshenko is the legitimate (!) President of Ukraine
                  - not to recognize him after that was ... difficult request

                  Quote: libivs
                  why did the demarcation line remain near heavily populated urban agglomerations?

                  - not a question for me. I believe that it was held at the then location of the troops, no?

                  Quote: libivs
                  Why is it not taken Mariupol, already almost surrounded and abandoned by Euro-crests?

                  - maybe Akhmetov ... or maybe they just soberly figured out that they would take something, and what to hold on to?

                  Quote: libivs
                  The reason most likely lies in the rivalry of two well-known groups within the imperious Russian elite

                  - Horse Spyrology at a gallop. And maybe anything, then we are not given to know

                  Quote: libivs
                  relatives in my red beam

                  - my sympathies. Have you tried to pick them up from there? I would try ...
                  1. libivs
                    libivs 2 July 2016 23: 02
                    +1
                    It's good that at least he's not stoned ... Yes, I read the above article ... Not impressed. There are more questions than answers. Everything is contradictory to the point of disgrace. Well, for example, if the party against the United States in Ukraine was deliberately lost, then why was it even necessary to get involved in it? Hyundai Hoh, Russish Kaput. Why sovereign foreign policy at all? Next ... the article primarily talks about the Ukrainian political elite, here without options. This is exactly what, instead of working with people like Aksenov, Apukhtin, Gubarev, Mozgovoy, ours in Ukraine actually did, that is, they fed the Ukrainian analogue of the United Russia, and believed that these guys are for us. The result is logical - betrayed. And now the bottom line is literally: "schizopatriots must shut up." However, I am not surprised at this approach. Weathervane, sir ... The relatives were taken away, now we are racking our heads how to arrange it.
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 2 July 2016 23: 25
                      0
                      Quote: libivs
                      Well, for example, if the party against the United States in Ukraine was deliberately lost, then why was there anyway to get involved in it?

                      - and someone got involved in it?
                      - Crimea was taken, simply and elegantly. Thus, depriving the Americans of the most delicious piece of Ukraine for them
                      - Donbass hinted: "postpone the referendum." Walked some negotiations in order to solve (one way or another) the matter by the world
                      - what happened next - you know me no worse. Everything resulted in provoking the Russian Federation into direct military intervention in Ukraine, that the Russian Federation needed it, like ... well, that is, it was not necessary at all
                      - in the end - we have what we have

                      Quote: libivs
                      instead of working with people like Aksenov, Apukhtin, Gubarev, Brain

                      - This, sorry, pawns. The main thing that is happening in Ukraine now is the redistribution of property between the alligarchs there. And no more.

                      Quote: libivs
                      And now, in the bottom line, literally: "schizopatriots must shut up"

                      - You do not understand ... these "schizopatriots", according to the author of the article, did not less to break away Ukraine from the Russian Federation than all the others combined. Naturally, hearing them "putinslil", "Russia forward" and "give a hike to Kiev" is already a little bit (censorship) ...
                      - By the way, I completely agree with the author on this

                      Quote: libivs
                      Relatives were taken, now we are racking our brains how to arrange

                      - and here it is - right good
                      1. libivs
                        libivs 2 July 2016 23: 43
                        0
                        In principle, our discussion can be minimized. We conveyed our positions to each other and remained with our views. Which of us is right (and I do not pretend to be 100% true) will show time. But now I want to emphasize, and I would very much like that I would be wrong: in the spring of the year 14 it became impossible to solve the matter by the world. And our Wishlist has nothing to do with it. Obama's ultimatum says unequivocally: Russia must yield (or rather, surrender), along with Crimea. No more no less. And the next administration will continue this line. Whether the Kremlin and ourselves are ready is a question of questions. Neither in the year 14 nor now can the world come to an agreement. Kiev was not a subject of politics either then or now. And Ukrainians do not mind Washington. Therefore, alas, no other solution to the Ukrainian problem on the horizon loomed in principle ... Alas, ah ...
  26. Pitot
    Pitot 2 July 2016 13: 58
    +4
    But I still have no confidence in this dogan .... she is a rat and a rat in Africa.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 14: 02
      -1
      Quote: Pitot
      But I still have no confidence in this dogan .... she is a rat and a rat in Africa.

      Once betrayed and then ... Nobody trusts him, even in the world ..! It’s better to keep the enemy closer ...
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 2 July 2016 14: 16
        +1
        I read your comments and I want to ask a question - who are you and what did you do with Mikhan, whose comments we knew and loved?
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 2 July 2016 14: 41
          -3
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          I read your comments and I want to ask a question - who are you and what did you do with Mikhan, whose comments we knew and loved?

          What have you done with other members of the forum ..? Where are they all ... I remember 1-2 years ago there were articles, some whined here. That they do not understand and do not add up, a mess on the site and all the cases ... Well, they dispersed many! And where is the order and communication on equal terms and with respect ..? (sorry for the youth ..) And these "smart guys" are already starting to eat each other .. hi
          An interesting conversation was here on the site (cursed and then with respect ..))) I remember reading and was surprised! These are the things .. And now provocateurs and informers .. run the site ..))) My opinion ... Good luck to all men! soldier
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 2 July 2016 17: 00
        +1
        Think right!
  27. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 2 July 2016 14: 12
    +7
    the precipitate still remained .. and will remain.
  28. Alexander War
    Alexander War 2 July 2016 14: 14
    +1
    Donbass. Fighting near Debaltseve and Gorlovka resumed http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1420315.html
  29. Human Factor
    Human Factor 2 July 2016 14: 16
    0
    Yes, of course, escaped with tomatoes. Not your own?
  30. Yak28
    Yak28 2 July 2016 14: 17
    +1
    There is a good Turkish proverb: “If you can’t cut off the hand of the enemy, kiss her” wink
  31. cosmos132
    cosmos132 2 July 2016 14: 27
    +9
    With the departure of the Turks, what has changed? Enter the market - prices have not changed. The trick of our rulers now in the season will bring down our farmers and our resort. You can understand everything, but we are politically blind - what agreements did they make with the Turks?
    It was necessary to squeeze to the end, at least another 3 months.
  32. Khariton
    Khariton 2 July 2016 14: 29
    +1
    C'mon, the Ottomans have always bent down ... Inside the country to figure it out! hi
  33. svv
    svv 2 July 2016 14: 41
    +5
    It’s worthless for such a president and such a party to never vote for them
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 14: 52
      -1
      Quote: svv
      It’s worthless for such a president and such a party to never vote for them

      And for whom you will ..))))) Russian language you would learn a little ...! I respect your opinion, I think the arguments will come later! hi
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 2 July 2016 15: 40
        -2
        Quote: Chariton
        Quote: svv
        It’s worthless for such a president and such a party to never vote for them

        And for whom you will ..))))) Russian language you would learn a little ...! I respect your opinion, I think the arguments will come later! hi

        They put me PLUS! ..... fellow
  34. Brigadier
    Brigadier 2 July 2016 14: 48
    +7
    The more I look at the actions of our leadership, the more I understand that in the next elections I will vote for the Communists. And although they are also not ice, they would definitely not have allowed this and would not have bowed down to the enemy for formal "non-apologies", at least I hope so. Although it is also unknown ... But in any case, there is no one else to vote for except the Communists ... For it is unforgivable for any politician to surrender their previously "principled" positions for tomatoes! And this is what we see now! And the Turks have already understood the style of behavior of our bosses, and now they will shoot down our planes and kill our guys without any fear, because they will know for sure: shot down (killed) - apologize quickly and the Russian leadership will forgive you, because it will be beneficial for them. And the fact that our family members will have grief ... but who in our leadership is interested in this? They will give some medal to the family of the deceased and forget! Ugh! Disgusting !!!
    1. WERSTA.
      WERSTA. 2 July 2016 15: 08
      -1
      Lord, be wiser than your emotions dictate to you.
    2. Khariton
      Khariton 2 July 2016 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: Brigadier
      The more I look at the actions of our leadership, the more I understand that in the next elections I will vote for the Communists

      I personally always voted for them in the State Duma .. (since the 90s) A real counterbalance ... But they have no leader! The head of state should be outside the parties (support yes .. but no more ..) he (head of state) nevertheless, it should be outside of all parties and movements ... Putin is trying to be like that and it seems to work out!
      But in general it’s becoming hard to live .. The main thing is that the Army and Navy develop! And then it will be seen ..
    3. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 2 July 2016 15: 48
      0
      How old are you dear? I am not going to talk about our leadership now, but I would like to ask you one question, so much has been written about the communists: "... they will not bend, they will not surrender."
      The people who destroyed the Union because of which the country suffered the greatest losses in its history were not communists by chance?
      And if you believe in fairy tales, then vote for the Liberal Democratic Party ....
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 2 July 2016 16: 22
        -5
        Quote: Retvizan 8
        How old are you dear? I am not going to talk about our leadership now, but I would like to ask you one question, so much has been written about the communists: "... they will not bend, they will not surrender."
        The people who destroyed the Union because of which the country suffered the greatest losses in its history were not communists by chance?
        And if you believe in fairy tales, then vote for the Liberal Democratic Party ....

        What are you advertising me here ... !!!! Just try again .. am I’ll be real and direct text ..! UNDERSTANDABLY!
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 2 July 2016 18: 00
        +2
        Quote: Retvizan 8
        The people who destroyed the Union because of which the country suffered the greatest losses in its history were not communists by chance?

        Exactly, these people have never been communists! These were careerists and thieves who clung to the CPSU and made their way into power. And now, only the Communists have a PROGRAM! All other parties have only slogans!
        Look at the Chinese. The CCP did not let go of power, did not allow the collapse of the country, slammed its own white-bellies on its main square, and China continues to develop economically, unlike Russia!
      3. region58
        region58 2 July 2016 21: 37
        +1
        Quote: Retvizan 8
        The people who destroyed the Union because of which the country suffered the greatest losses in its history were not communists by chance?

        No. They called themselves Communists, but to be called and to be is not the same thing.
    4. Khabarov
      Khabarov 2 July 2016 18: 27
      +2
      I also decided for the communists, if only because they choose the lesser of two evils. I'm really not sure if my vote will be counted. The Kremlin caved in not for "not excuse me", but for their business. The oligarch has bought up a lot of real estate, hotels there and is suffering serious losses. Also "South Stream", 30% of pipes for which should be supplied by ChTPZ, the fiefdom of our infallible and three solid sections of which the Rotenbergs should build.
  35. WERSTA.
    WERSTA. 2 July 2016 15: 04
    -6
    The title is absolutely dumb.
    Does anyone really consider Our President meaningless? Turkey is just as necessary for us as we are for her. My children and grandchildren rested comfortably on the shores of Antalya. Simple Turkish citizens are quite nice to us and we have nothing against them. I love Turkey, no matter how much we fought with them. If there is a war, I will fight for Russia, but I will not stop respecting ordinary people in Turkey. I was also taught this under I.V. Stalin. Although my mother suffered from repression and was sent to N-Tagil.
  36. Aleksander
    Aleksander 2 July 2016 15: 12
    +4
    the fact that all this time we only expected that formal apologies, to quickly embrace and forgive the non-good-looking lost neighbor, is hard to believe


    Why?
    Exactly this option Putin and Medvedev were constantly repeating almost from the very beginning.
    The sharp throws back and forth due to the lack of strategy and understanding of their long-term interests in the region, except for the dough.
    The level of comprehension of the most important decisions can be seen from Putin's answer to the question about the Mistrals: "Ah-ah-ah, we didn't need them at all!" yes
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 2 July 2016 18: 10
      +1
      Quote: Aleksander
      This option was CONSTANTLY repeated by Putin and Medvedev practically from the very beginning.

      Don’t drag Medvedev here, this is a dumb, dumb creature, an empty place!
  37. -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
    +5
    It’s all strange somehow - Taburetkin with his ..., Turkey, factories are closing down in the country (in three years the 2 plant was closed, where he worked, again unemployed). And the factories were on the most advanced technologies - electronics, automation, energy. You will not find work in the city, especially after 45! Z.P. I won’t even make laugh. The situation in 90's is neither work nor money. I myself WAS an ardent supporter of GDP, now I live by the precept of an iPhone - there is no money, but I keep a good mood! wink hi
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 2 July 2016 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: -Wanderer-
      It’s strange all this somehow ...


      Remembering Obodzinsky:

      Our world is strange and funny
      Putin loves but will not say
      About his love ...
      There are only dots in each line
      After the letter "E"
      You will understand, of course, everything
      What did he want to say
      I wanted to say, but I could not. belay
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  38. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 2 July 2016 15: 43
    +1
    25 wrote on November 2015, a day after the attack on our plane:

    Turkey controls the Bosphorus. Tens of thousands of our tourists are actually voluntary hostages in Turkey. For decades, after the collapse of the Union, our diplomats, businessmen and management have pursued a very costly and time-consuming policy of building new relationships, promoting trade and business agreements: offhand - Turkish flow, tourism, nuclear power plants. I don’t want to equal the lives of our guys and money (blessed memory), but you won’t erase words from the song: the above are multi-billion dollar projects with people Turkey, not with Erdogan. It will take an hour or two to bring nations into a state of war or conflict, and reconciling them for decades may not be enough, breaking and not building.

    Apparently, now is the time to restore relations. Directly, indirectly, but Erdogan apologized. Do you want him to kneel on Red Square? He is not the president of such a frail country with the largest army in the region, and besides, the heir to the empire, which has owned awesome territory for several hundred years, therefore, their self-esteem is overstated by no means indulging .. For him, such an apology is a moral omission. And ours? Ours put him in his place, without the use of force, but very tangibly poked his face in d..mo. And now it's time to collect stones. And such a scenario has been worked out for a long time, the speed of decision-making just speaks of this. Without the burdensome meetings of the State Duma, any coordination, etc. All this indicates that all situations are miscalculated. in advance and this cannot but rejoice: we are at least a step, but ahead.
    1. Salvodor
      Salvodor 2 July 2016 20: 52
      -1
      Nobody put anyone in their place.
  39. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 2 July 2016 16: 05
    +4
    Quote: the most important
    Quote: Abbra
    And for sure ours bargained for something very substantial ...

    And in return they will send crowds of tourists to the joy of all terrorists ...


    They will send ... They will give money and a free ticket ... Personally, I myself choose where to go on vacation. Will they drive tourists there under escort? And also only Turkish tomatoes can be bought on the market? Everyone is only given the opportunity of additional choice, and how to use it is a private matter for everyone. hi
  40. Evil 55
    Evil 55 2 July 2016 16: 30
    +1
    And the "tomatoes" to the Sultan P. Serdogan should be trimmed .. for a good memory ..
  41. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 2 July 2016 16: 35
    +2
    Quote: tomket
    Distinguish a Turkish tomato from a non-Turkish one, especially if Moroccan is written on a box of Turkish tomatoes?
    And you try to plant it yourself and compare, I think you will feel the difference. In the summer, of course, I grow it in my dacha, but at home I have three pots of "Cheri Lisa" on my windowsill all year round, bearing fruit, the Turks are not suitable for their taste and smell.
  42. ksv36
    ksv36 2 July 2016 16: 58
    +6
    Quote: seti
    These are the billions that the budget really needs.


    I'm just wondering: whose families' budget? Ours with you? Not sure. From our budgets "families" are trying to snatch more. Taxes, agricultural overhang, increasing utility tariffs, gasoline prices, etc. etc. Whether the budget of "their families" is full or thin - this does not concern us. As we were in the opera, we will stay there. IMHO.
  43. Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 July 2016 17: 23
    -2
    Do not know how to think, do not write! These Erdogache tomatoes stood across the throat. It's expensive to see how this one wriggles.
  44. anfil
    anfil 2 July 2016 17: 44
    -2
    Opinion of Nikolai Starikov

    1. unsinkable
      unsinkable 2 July 2016 18: 11
      0
      There was more than one call. Repeatedly, in different ways, the Turks wanted to restore contact. Everything was done as planned. Apologies contact. There is, of course, some oddity in the speed of issuing forgiveness. The future will show whether it is right or not.
  45. varela
    varela 2 July 2016 17: 56
    +6
    An old friend is better than two new ones?
    Are we indignant at the abruptly cut off pathos and anger of the authorities regarding the "stab in the back" and forgotten Putin's promises "you won't get off with tomatoes!"
    We spit with the joy of many of the returned opportunity to shout "Tagil!" in Turkey?
    We declare that aging whores, drunks and traitors with a sh * * shnik will go to Turkey?
    No, many will go, who are forced to take a penny, but in the south, to the sea, I want the same.
    And you might wonder who and what is the root cause?
    And it’s time to understand that there ↑ everything and everyone doesn’t care, emotions and patriotism are used when they need IM.
    But they will agree - they will write off blood, and tears, and corpses and lands.
    When it is profitable for them ...
    1. kolobok63
      kolobok63 3 July 2016 08: 43
      +1
      If you could put +++++, I would put! hi
  46. isker
    isker 2 July 2016 18: 30
    +2
    Govnyuk your Starikov!
    Look, how curly - "bark at Russia and - will not wake you up the Russian market!" but what about raising your own economy - even if the same tomatoes? What, again and around - plastic? Even with a knife you cannot cut without effort!
    All this vaporized nonsense - with T.Z. "Kremlin oligarch" who uses access to the national market like a carrot, while, of course - neither himself nor his family - is not going to live in this country! Something is silent on the TV show ... the political show about Turkey, how they got water in their mouths! The shirt was torn in public on the chest, fingers were bent three miles, and as soon as they approached the checkout again, they backed down! And nonsense is all that Erdog ... don you see - he called first (!), Well, everything - the level of euphoria just went off scale ...
    It's one thing - to make a discount and trade with the same Khokhlostan, and quite another - to trade after "stabbing in the back," not royally!
  47. Prometey
    Prometey 2 July 2016 19: 30
    +2
    Not in anyone’s support - just your own opinion.
    And how much did Russia have to puff out and build offense? They demanded an apology, formally the Turk brought them. Compensation? Well, maybe they will somehow be counted. On the phone, in context, he probably babbled something like "I'm sorry, I'll fix it." Yes, you can't return a person. But this is a war, and in a war, unfortunately, people are dying, but business and geopolitical interests remain.
    1. m077ea
      m077ea 2 July 2016 20: 06
      0
      Quote: Prometey
      And how much did Russia have to puff out and build offense? They demanded an apology, formally the Turk brought them. Compensation? Well, maybe they will somehow be counted. P, I will correct myself. "Yes, you cannot return a person. But this is a war, and in a war, unfortunately, people die, but business and geopolitical interests remain.



      Little of. we make peace knowingly that this .... at any time will put the knife in the back as many times as necessary. And all the same we go to the world. So it’s necessary.
  48. kotuk_ha_oxote
    kotuk_ha_oxote 2 July 2016 19: 49
    +3
    The cunning plan rules! I suggest that to make it easier for the people of Russia to show imperial pride and ignore Turkish resorts, to reduce real incomes of the population, so that there is nothing to buy permits.
    1. anfil
      anfil 6 July 2016 08: 06
      0
      Let's cut it, we can only show our imperial pride while sitting on the couch, but in reality, without the help of the authorities and prohibitive measures, we can do nothing.
  49. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 2 July 2016 20: 20
    +4
    Results "reconciliation" we should see it in 3 months or faster by the end of this year, and of course this is not the title of the article (tomatoes) and not what the dull-witted (Turkey's beaches open to Russians) argue about, this is of course the fate of Syria, where our military is now. Russia hopes that the Sultan will still "take his mind" and abandon ventures with the destabilization of the situation in Syria, ceasing to feed and nurture terrorists of all stripes, for subsequent sending to a neighboring state.
  50. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 3 July 2016 07: 04
    +2
    I am impressed by the last words and decisions of Putin and Medvedev on Turkey. I believe Putin and there is faith in Putin. I drive away the doubts read here. Still, politics is a dirty business. And if you’ve taken up the matter specifically, then you can’t be afraid of dirty spray, you need to work on the result and not be afraid to get your hands dirty. Vladimir Vladimirovich has never passed a country. This is just a test of my faith in him.