The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation noted a significant reduction in the number of "deviators"

Colonel General Vasily Tonkokurov, head of the Main Organizational-Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, spoke about the progress of conscription to the Armed Forces. According to the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, who is responsible for the recruiting campaign, a positive trend continues to manifest itself due to a decrease in the number of draft dodgers. General Vasily Tonkoshkurov notes the growing interest of young people in the service of conscription in the ranks of the Russian army.

Vasily Tonkoshkurova quotes news agency TASS:

In those regions where regional and zonal centers are actively involved in the work, young people are more willing to go to serve in the Armed Forces, the number of citizens evading from activities related to military conscription is significantly reduced. As a result of 2015, the number of such citizens has already decreased by almost 28 percent.

This statement was made by the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation during the on-site meeting of the interdepartmental commission in the Stavropol region.

The general noted that today in 45 regions of the federation there is an 231 center for the patriotic education of young people. Among these subjects are the Republic of Crimea and the hero city of Sevastopol.

It is noted that almost every fifth modern draftee goes to the service, having received a higher education. Even 15 years ago, the number of university graduates in the recruits of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was no more than 7%.

Comments

[The black]

I don’t know where how, but we have much more willing people to serve than they can call ...

[tiredwithall]

Quote: Black

I don’t know where how, but we have much more willing people to serve than they can call ...

In addition, it is necessary to restructure the command and control system at the lowest level: to completely, rigidly equalize the soldiers, regardless of the year of recruitment, by reorganizing the non-commissioned officer component. Strictly protect soldiers from left-wing work unrelated to training and military training.

[SRC P-15]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation noted a significant reduction in the number of "deviators"

And what's so surprising: the prestige of the Army has risen - the number of people wishing to serve in such an Army has increased.
Plus, a decree was promoted not to take public positions that did not serve in the Russian Army, without good reason.

[Baloo]

Of course, the creation of a positive image of the person in uniform, the improvement of living conditions, and the solution of social issues also played a role.
I would like to draw attention to the education of officers. If the commander at the school speaks on the mat, constantly emphasizes the contempt for the cadet, which officer will be the result? Discipline and exactingness have nothing to do with rudeness and bestiality. I remembered a picture from Soviet youth. On the main street there is a patrol. Major with a lady, three cadets. Major cadet gives the command to go to the cinema and buy tickets for two with the money of the cadet (!).
In YouTube, there is also probably about fathers-commanders filmed by cadets of different years on a mobile.
Who is mowing down from the army: the guys were clearly not friends with the sport, they were slightly slanted, slightly stooped, with a fat on the waist, they were somewhat notorious in behavior and outwardly.
So, the Moscow Region needs to take control of school sports, not the physical education department is the Ministry of Education, but to sponsor applied sections, competitions. What draftee does the MO need? Taut, jumping, with good coordination of movements, able to easily run at least 2 km. The rest will be taught by the Army and Navy. In general, life requires endurance and coordination of movements, active longevity and health depend on this. The emphasis is on cyclic sports, not on a barbell with weights. Swimming, swimming again, skiing, volleyball, basketball, hand ball, the basics of gymnastics on the apparatus, athletics. In almost every district we have open areas where children come all year round and engage in hunting on horizontal bars and other shells. During the time of my Soviet childhood, those who were not taken into the army were considered ill and treated with humor.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Balu

Major cadet gives the command to go to the cinema and buy tickets for two with the money of the cadet (!).

Patrol is included in any cinema for free. It’s just that they will have nowhere to sit if all the seats are occupied, but the administration always has chairs. In addition, leaving a patrol without a patrol chief is very fraught with consequences. Some fighters begin to be outrageous and citizens call the police. Major is threatened with demotion. Such fools in the army still need to search.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Balu

Major with a lady, three cadets. Major cadet gives the command to go to the cinema and buy tickets for two with cadet money (!).

Quote: Алексей_К

Patrol enters any movie theater for free

- and where did you see the "patrol", I wonder?

[Baloo]

The cadet was given the command to buy tickets; he took the purse from his pocket. Major pranced in front of a lady. The patrol went to the cinema or not, I don’t remember.

[Koshak]

Quote: Balu

Major cadet gives the command to go to the cinema and buy tickets for two with the money of the cadet (!).

Could the Russian army have come to this? I served in the SOVIET Army for more than 25 years, and for me this sounds wild. Is it really not a fake, is it true? Yes, I myself took my privates to the cinema, bought them ice cream when I was the beginning. patrol. Something I can’t believe in that.

[Baloo]

Is it really not a fake
No, not a fake. Kazan, Bauman str., To \ t Rodina, in the afternoon, autumn, approximately the second half of the 80s, the line at both ticket offices began on the street. Cadets and an officer from the tank school. The officer is a smart little guy who obviously did not serve in the army.

[moskowit]

Where it is seen that the major would go as the patrol chief ...

[Cat]

In the mid-90s, I saw patrols with colonels! A small clarification by the elders were teachers of military universities. But fact is fact.

[Koshak]

Quote: moskowit

Where it is seen that the major would go as the patrol chief ...

It depends on which city the garrison is located in. Especially if the city has a military school.

[Baloo]

No, not a fake. Kazan, Bauman str., To \ t Rodina, in the afternoon, autumn, approximately the second half of the 80s, the line at both ticket offices began on the street. Cadets and officer from the tank school

[lopvlad]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Plus, a decree was promoted not to take public positions that did not serve in the Russian Army, without good reason.

a good reason is scraping money to buy a warrior?
The children of officials both did not serve and will not serve (except for PR in the exemplary unit under the supervision of their relatives).
It played on the prestige of the army that the army again began to become an army and not a bunch of bonded people who were given two years and for these two years it was necessary to try not to become disabled, not die.

[ando_bor]

a good reason is scraping money to buy a warrior?

- so it is, the law is generally about nothing, but nonetheless, the prestige of the service has risen.

[Buffet]

Note: immediately rumors about increasing the term of military service stopped. It seems that they were distributed by the Moscow Region.

[Proxima]

Quote: tiredwithall

Strictly protect soldiers from left-wing work unrelated to training and military training.

The main thing is not to overdo it, otherwise it will be, as Serdyukov dreamed at one time. A guardhouse is not needed - a professional civilian chef will peel the potatoes, and there is no need to keep an eye on the weapon - the soldier will hand over his Kalash to the service. Military builders are not needed - commercial firms will do this. True, how the "merchants", if necessary, will direct the crossing under enemy fire and for "what money" is unknown. A reasonable measure is needed in everything.

[tiredwithall]

Quote: Proxima

The main thing is not to overdo it, otherwise it will be, as Serdyukov dreamed at one time. A guardhouse is not needed - a professional civilian chef will peel the potatoes, and there is no need to keep an eye on the weapon - the soldier will hand over his Kalash to the service. Military builders are not needed - commercial firms will do this.

There is no need to talk about the dreams of a famous ex-minister. The only question is the normalization of the life of a soldier and the targeted use of time during the passage of his military service.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Proxima

True, how the "merchants", if necessary, will direct the crossing under enemy fire and for "what money" is unknown.

No need to juggle. Military facilities are now under construction, and not just businessmen. And there is always a sapper regiment for guidance in the divisions. Didn’t you serve?

[moskowit]

Excuse me, please humbly, in which divisions did you see the sapper regiments? In company regiments, in battalion divisions ...

[lopvlad]

Quote: Proxima

The main thing is not to overdo it

that's for sure.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: tiredwithall

rigidly equalize the soldiers, regardless of the year of conscription,

What is it like? You there in Belarus do not know that in the Russian army they serve urgent for 12 months?

Quote: tiredwithall

reorganizing the non-commissioned component

The sergeant staff eh? Otherwise I am rather weak in terms such as "non-commissioned officer component"

Quote: tiredwithall

Strictly protect soldiers from left-wing work unrelated to training and military training.

But where else to protect, even if they don’t go to outfits in the kitchen now. Your advice was relevant 10 years ago.

[tiredwithall]

Quote: Ami du peuple

What is it like? You there in Belarus do not know that they serve in the Russian army for 12 months? The sergeant staff eh? And then I am rather weak in terms such as the "non-commissioned officer component" But where else to protect, even if they don't wear outfits around the kitchen now.

True, about the year of the call: at the beginning he wrote correctly, "from the time of the call." If growing up. armies have outlived hazing, that's great. And the kitchen outfit does not contribute to the increase in combat effectiveness. In general, it's time to unite.

[joopel]

We will always be happy to see you. But father Rygorych tell. So far, he has not led Belarusians to the EU and NATO. It will become from him. Pouting my lip
They didn’t give it, they didn’t give it, it will not be enough. As a peasant was cunning, so he remained.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: tiredwithall

True, about the year of the call: at the beginning he wrote correctly, "from the time of the call." If growing up. armies have outlived hazing, that's great. And the kitchen outfit does not contribute to the increase in combat effectiveness. In general, it's time to unite.

Hazing is not obsolete. She will always be in one form or another. A class soldier (usually a senior officer) must teach recruits. They often understand this one-sidedly, it depends on the ambitions and conscience of a particular person. And the abolition of the kitchen dress leads to the fact that the soldiers do not know how to clean potatoes and carrots, and how to cook them. In war, such fighters die not from enemy bullets, but from hunger, because field kitchen can be destroyed. I read stories about the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, so there the soldiers from their stupidity ate oats or wheat directly from the ears, and then died from a rupture in the stomach, because grain dramatically increases in warm liquid (gastric juice). Ignorance of the basics of cooking is an army that is not fit for work.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Алексей_К

I read stories about the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, so there the soldiers from their stupidity ate oats or wheat directly from the ears ...

- I think not so much "from stupidity" as from hunger just

Quote: Алексей_К

soldiers ate oats or wheat directly from the ears, and then died from a rupture in the stomach, because grain dramatically increases in warm liquid (gastric juice)

- it is gonevo. It is necessary to devour half a bucket of oats ... which is difficult to do "from the ears"

[Pancho]

Quote: tiredwithall

If in growing up. army obsolete hazing, that's great.

Unfortunately, they didn’t get obsolete - they called on the employee’s son on June 26, and on the 28th he was already in the hospital with a broken jaw, some t @ ar from Dagestan did their best.

[Cat]

That's right - the junior commanding staff.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: tiredwithall

In addition, it is necessary to restructure the command and control system at the lowest level: to completely, rigidly equalize the soldiers, regardless of the year of recruitment, by reorganizing the non-commissioned officer component.

This is an empty slogan. Write your suggestions so that you can argue with you or just express your opinion. And yet, explain who in the Russian army, in your opinion, relates to non-commissioned officers.

[tiredwithall]

Quote: Алексей_К

This is an empty slogan. Write your suggestions so that you can argue with you or just express your opinion. And yet, explain who in the Russian army, in your opinion, relates to non-commissioned officers.

This is not an empty slogan. You can get rid of. To do this, first of all, a cool foreman of the company is needed (a sort of real non-commissioned soldier, a servant), who will be able to quickly calculate and hold slobs and lovers of sadism in his hands. He must come into the company before lifting and leave much later than the end of the day. Be with soldiers while eating and stop the abuse of the elderly. Demand a clear and honest performance of the service, and, if necessary, and defend what is assigned to the soldier in front of the authorities. Physically be strong and able to fight back. Here you can’t describe everything at once. But I'm trying to describe a real person.
Regarding the term non-commissioned officer. There are many variations: sergeant, junior commander, etc. But the essence of the definition best reflects the first term.
And about the "impossibility to get rid of" bullying. There are only three historical examples: in the Roman army, such a concept could not have arisen at all, as in the pre-war Red Army, and in the USA, with the formation of sergeants capable of removing bullying from the army, a general campaign to reform it after the Vietnam War began. As a result, the sergeant (non-commissioned officer, experienced and clearly knowing his powers and boundaries) determines the life of a soldier, and not yesterday's salobon spirits, crazy from his micro-power.
On the whole, bullying is an indicator of the weakness of army command at the grassroots level of command and the actual refusal of platoon company officers to complete part of their pedagogical tasks.

[dauria]

Strictly protect soldiers from left-wing work unrelated to training and military training.

You know, something is not too happy about the presence of cleaners in the barracks and waitresses in the dining rooms. Do the laundry laundresses wash HB?
This is the army, the "school of life" in the old way ... Tfu ... Any cadet used to know what it means to clean the shocks and carry out the "parasha" in the kitchen attire. This was not a mockery, but an elementary education of the ability to obey before giving orders. At the same time, he had to have time to study. And here the soldier cannot be forced to build, paint, sweep, load, drag (For yourself, an infection). What are they afraid of? That the "council of soldiers' mothers" will drop a tear? Yes figs with them. And not a year, but two must-at least get the men back from the army. "Ah, washing the dishes behind the mouth is not military training." This is just the most real training. And the combatant too. And mopping. And whoever doesn't like it, let them play airsoft, it's normal there, no leftist work.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Black

we have much more willing to serve than they can call ...

- In the Soviet Union, there were also enough volunteers, despite the fact that there was where to go to work. And now, for some, the army is the only place where you can earn NORMALLY. We survived, damn it ...

[The black]

for some, the army is the only place where you can earn NORMALLY. They survived ...

there is such a moment, unfortunately

[Alexander Romanov]

I look at the photos of the current conscripts and remember my call. A drunken carriage with 50 "volunteers" caught by military enlistment officers. The drunk captain who was supposed to take us to the distributor is in the trash.
Then there was the dispenser buzzing in a drunken stupor and only three days later, a slight sobering in the primary.

[The black]

In general, the first three days of service you drank ... and mother thought the post had already entered, you protect the homeland

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Black

In general, the first three days of service you drank

Yes, I’m okay, but the drunken demobilization part, it was a big surprise

Quote: Black

.a mother thought the post had already entered, you protect the homeland

Yes, it was almost like that, on the third or fourth day after arriving at the unit, until 4 a.m. I told a fairy tale to a happy demobil about what cool chicks with big tits are waiting for him in civilian life. There is a plus, I discovered the talent of a science fiction writer

[Air Force Colonel]

Where, in what gamna did you serve? The Ferghana school of 1983 is well remembered. Maybe he survived beyond the river because he went through this hell ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Air Force Colonel

Where, in what gamna did you serve?

CTOF, Kamchatka Pacific Flotilla!
The distributor was in Khabarovsk, and the primary in Petropavlovks Kamchatsky.

Quote: Air Force Colonel

.maybe and survived over the river because hell passed through this ....

Hell was in the neighboring battalion, where there were 30 demobilizers who had already served almost three years and still pulled the deck. When I saw them, I remembered the words of the military commissar that it was very honorable to defend the Homeland.
And when they saw us, they were so happy that at some moments, I wanted to kill the military commissar and burn the military commissariat ..... if I return.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Air Force Colonel

Where, in what gamna did you serve?

CTOF, Kamchatka Pacific Flotilla!
The distributor was in Khabarovsk, and the primary in Petropavlovks Kamchatsky.

Quote: Air Force Colonel

.maybe and survived over the river because hell passed through this ....

Hell was in the neighboring battalion, where there were 30 demobilizers who had already served almost three years and still pulled the deck. When I saw them, I remembered the words of the military commissar that it was very honorable to defend the Homeland.
And when they saw us, they were so happy that at some moments, I wanted to kill the military commissar and burn the military commissariat ..... if I return.

Didn’t they give you machine guns with cartridges? In his midst he threatened to be shot, they would calm down in an instant. Even the officers will not have to call for help, or you and the other conscripts were just cowards. In our unit there was hazing, but without bullying, because young people immediately rebuffed their grandfathers and senior employees (I personally spent days in the barracks and with soldiers). But, filing the gateways, washing the forms and cleaning the boots was not perceived as a mockery. Many of the conscripts were sissies, they did not wash the floors of the house, and did not hold needles in their hands. In a word - jerks unsuitable for war. Before the end, the grandfathers once again drove young people on the horizontal bar. By the end of the service, many soldiers not only made all kinds of uplifts on the horizontal bar, but also turned the sun. This is the healthy part.

[sdc_alex]

I can tell you a whole bunch of such "scary stories" from the life of the post-Soviet army. Generally the pattern break will be .
For example, as a captain, after the pay, he went and thought whether he would bring his pay to the house or not, the fighters could pick it up. Or like Comrade Before the platoon, the drunken lieutenant’s head was hammering his head against the wall of the barracks and he was seriously hammering it, this summer was treated for a long time. Yes, a lot of things you can remember ...
That was "ARMY", right? Real defenders of the Motherland.

[Koshak]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

CTOF, Kamchatka Pacific Flotilla!
The distributor was in Khabarovsk, and the primary in Petropavlovks Kamchatsky.

Sorry. Out of luck for you. In our unit at the KSF, dedoaschina manifested itself only in the fact that the "old men" taught the "young" how to maintain the materiel. True, sometimes it was a "face about a table" (about a control panel), but intelligibly, and no one complained or suffered.

[bk316]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In the trash, a drunk captain, who was supposed to deliver us to the dispenser.
Further there was a dispenser buzzing in a drunken stupor and only after three days, a slight sobering in the primary

Yes! Yes! I still remember everything.

[EvgNik]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Drunken carriage with 50 "volunteers

We were taken in a long train to Moscow, about 1000 Urals. Maybe there was more than one squad, but that in our unit there were about 500 Uralites - that's for sure. Moscow was divided into two parts. To drink - drank, but in moderation.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: EvgNik

To drink - drank, but in moderation.

Weak people of you are the Ural people. I thought you were stronger

[Khariton]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: EvgNik

To drink - drank, but in moderation.

Weak people of you are the Ural people. I thought you were stronger

We are stronger than you in the distant think ... We are the center!

[Bort radist]

Quote: Chariton

Quote: Alexander Romanov
Quote: EvgNik
To drink - drank, but in moderation.
Weak people of you are the Ural people. I thought you were stronger
We are stronger than you in the distant think ... We are the center!

They traveled from Western Siberia, full order, and officers behaved with dignity. ShMAS in Kansk - physical, psychological stress, sometimes on the verge of all forces. But the regiment is almost a resort. Rise in 2 minutes, .......

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: EvgNik

To drink - drank, but in moderation.

Weak people of you are the Ural people. I thought you were stronger

Alcoholics are never strong. They are arrogant, stupid and weak. Have you tried drunk to perform a coup up on the horizontal bar? Hardly! But to beat the muzzles to the sleigh, this is the first thing!

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I look at the photos of the current conscripts and remember my call. A drunken carriage with 50 "volunteers" caught by military enlistment officers. The drunk captain who was supposed to take us to the distributor is in the trash.
Then there was the dispenser buzzing in a drunken stupor and only three days later, a slight sobering in the primary.

You are very unlucky. As an officer in the Soviet Army, I often traveled around my youth, for draftees. Every one of them was checked for alcohol and weapons. In my carriage there were always only sober ones. He constantly went around and checked the carriage for the presence of hidden alcohol.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Алексей_К

I, as an officer of the Soviet army,

But here

Quote: Алексей_К

Didn’t they give you machine guns with cartridges? In his midst he threatened to be shot, they would calm down in an instant.

There are no words

Quote: Алексей_К

Every one of them was checked for alcohol and weapons.

The weapons of the recruits, with their machine gun in the army Uncle, don't write anything better

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The weapons of conscripts, with their machine gun in the Uncle's army, do not write anything better

And I did not write about machine guns, but about edged weapons. There was still not enough stabbing before arriving at the unit. Often among the recruits were former criminals. And about the machines - you yourself came up with this nonsense.

[Resident007]

and the number of couch troops is also declining

[ando_bor]

Yes, it's a mess in this matter - they don't call everyone, - everyone is not needed, they call for the required number, - somewhere around a third of the total number of recruits, maybe a little more in the demographic pit, that is, there is a selection, but there are no legal principles of selection, but holy the place is never empty, and if earlier they paid for something that would not be among the summoned - "to deny", now more and more often the opposite.

[sever.56]

Why not serve? The prestige of our army both in the country and in the world has reached the heights forgotten in the 80-90s. The technique is such a pleasure to watch. Serving people enjoy authority and respect, salaries are decent, housing is also in order.
A friend of mine had a son with us in the Northern Fleet in air defense units, a computer programmer from God. He was offered a contract with a salary of 70 thousand rubles, he might have stayed, but his year, which he served, was waiting at the company in St. Petersburg, now he works there, earns 150-180 thousand. Smart heads and skillful hands are needed everywhere.

[Imperialkolorad]

It is an encouraging fact that conscripts are not more afraid of our army than a NATO bloc.

[Yarik76]

One year is not a service 'in the course of a young fighter!

[razmik72]

Quote: Yarik76

One year is not a service 'in the course of a young fighter!

Do you have a whole year in Russia? We have been serving for two years.

[lysyj bob]

Quote: razmik72

We have been serving for two years

That's when you become Russia, then you will have a year to serve.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Yarik76

One year is not a service 'in the course of a young fighter!

That's for sure, the training was almost 7 months old.

[Mavrikiy]

"It is noted that almost one in five modern conscripts goes to work after receiving a higher education."
Mentally glad. But .... Restore military departments in universities. And the army will receive not only literate, but also military-trained recruits. For 3-4 years, oh-go-go that you can absorb.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

There are many factors, the prestige of military service, against the background of the successes of our defense industry, yes, no doubt. A sane Minister of Defense, yes, also a plus. Service preferences, yes, also good, very good. And as a fly in the ointment: unemployment among the draft age, uncertainty, uncertainty about "tomorrow", and, as a consequence, troops (although patriotism has not been canceled, such young people, fortunately, we also have).

[Cat man null]

Quote: Yarik76

One year is not a service 'in the course of a young fighter!

- adjusted for the lack of outfits for the dining room, cleaning the territory, tidying the lawns, painting curbs and other fiction (and, as they say, somewhere it is now) - the year of full study, IMHO, is quite normal
- As a mobile reserve, such a people will definitely come down. And there are still contract soldiers (I personally know a couple of young boys, served the army, came, walked for half a year .. and vice versa, already on a contract)

So - maybe not everything is so bad? Correct, if I am mistaken

[tiredwithall]

A year is better than nothing. And here

Quote: Cat Man Null

- adjusted for the absence of outfits in the dining room, cleaning of the territory, turfing of lawns, painting borders and other fiction (and, as they say, somewhere it is now)

problems remain and it’s not easy to get rid of them.

[bk316]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Correct, if I am mistaken

It is written correctly, but I know at least one BUT.

The physical form of the recruits is no worse than in the USSR, because in the school of physical education in the pen and for other reasons. It takes a month or two to cook purely in physics, not up to the specialty.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: bk316

The physical form of the recruits is no worse than in the USSR,

I believe that in the USSR, in spite of all the standards, exercises on charging, such as a goose step and squatting with hands behind his head, will knock out any well-trained person to zero. Especially if your beloved demobilization, you want the fighter to go with a goose step with an hour.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I believe that in the USSR, despite all the standards, exercises on charging, such as a goose step and squatting with hands behind his head

I will greatly surprise you, Alexander, these exercises at school in physical education are officially prohibited! Gymnastics at school, especially on the apparatus, are not. You will be tormented to unsubscribe for an injury. A horse in length (jump), even teachers do not know (young) how to teach, insure.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bort Radist

I will greatly surprise you, Alexander, these exercises at school in physical education are officially prohibited!

We had.

Quote: Bort Radist

A horse in length (jump), even teachers do not know (young) how to teach, insure.

Flashed in class 5 or 6 through the horses.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Bort Radist

I will greatly surprise you, Alexander, these exercises at school in physical education are officially prohibited!
We had.

For 10 years it was banned, and before the goose step, jumping in the squat, the neck on the wrestling "bridge" was shaking.

[Bort radist]

Quote: bk316

The physical form of the recruits is no worse than in the USSR, because in the school of physical education in the pen and for other reasons.

Not really, I assure you. Just before, everyone was more equal in terms of physical development. Now there is a huge gap, there are boys in grades 9-11, candidates for the Masters, fans parkourists, turnstiles, ..... But others - mothers packed with information from childhood on, will die on the first march.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Cat Man Null

So - maybe not everything is so bad? Correct, if I am mistaken

I agree. In our time, 20% were engaged in their military registration business, the rest were not allowed to approach the aircraft almost, with rare exceptions. Outfits, guards, cleaning the territory, work at factories ("Ekranas").

[ando_bor]

Indeed, the son served a term without "fiction", he saw that it was enough for a soldier, and coped with the sergeant, - he asked, the same says enough: - in two years I would have made a killing machine irrevocably.

[sw6513]

In my youth it was even a shame not to serve ..- many will not believe it but they remember the generation of conscripts of 78-80 years.

[gg.na]

And in the 90s, how they mowed down just awful was! And in those years, drug addicts bred ... Today, the young generation is seen going to the army and knows and believes that they will really serve and not break in the dachas at the senior officers !!!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: gg.na

And in the 90s, how they mowed down just awful

but because after the shooting of the "parliament" with tanks, the words: "the people and the army are united" lost their meaning, and people in uniform were often bluntly beaten ... guys from the service, in "civilian", "sneaked" home. I was ashamed of the army, the state, everything ...

[russmensch]

I'm already somehow wary of starting to look at such Relations. It doesn’t work like on the Baltic Fleet: "The audit revealed not only the facts of lies of the naval leadership ... The examiners also learned about the disruption of the state program for recruiting under contract."
(source "Fontanka.ru")

[bk316]

Quote: russmensch

It doesn’t work like on the Baltic Fleet:

Hardly. In our office yesterday, after an MEPhI, the son of an employee of our son pulled the draft and immediately released, they said all the plan for the draft was completed, wait for the next.

[reservist]

This year, the son was looking for a job with friends after a culinary college, so he was told in all decent places (cafes and restaurants are not civil service) to come after the army, the guy judging that there was no need to postpone service indefinitely, went to the military enlistment office, where he was told that their conscription plan had already been fulfilled, they say, wait for the next one ... but they still "put pressure on the military enlistment office," now in training ...

[Igor V]

Last year I sat for a cardiogram in the same queue with conscripts. We, two grandfathers, began to make fun of us that we wanted to serve so that you guys could be cut off. One said so weightily: "Now it is not fashionable to mow!" How. We didn't even find an answer.

[afrikanez]

In general, conscription is the duty of any Russian. I do not understand people trying to "roll away" from the service.

[bald]

Organization of centers is a necessary thing. In our time, they were also- DOSAF. The reason for the decline in draft dodgers is employment. Better Army than parasitism, for normal guys.

[atamankko]

The young man, having served in the army, grows up and becomes a man.

[BISMARCK94]

I myself think to leave for a contract. The wagon, who switched to the 5th course. The only question is, to what heights will a civilian tower allow me to serve in the same railway troops.

[Khariton]

What are you starting to remember ... Where do your children and grandchildren serve ??? Show off that! Remember .. Chubais also served!

[dmitriyruss]

But (or ATO) in Ukraine, the opposite picture is observed

[x.andvlad]

A year in 97 I brought inductees from Makhachkala from Pskov. Just then, from other regions there were shortages. Not a single drunk. There were many athletes. But restless guys, energetic. We drove in the first carriage, so one of them managed to open the front door in the vestibule and climb onto the locomotive, and all this on the go. I almost killed this horse. Upon arrival at the division, all as one requested in intelligence. There was someone to choose, but certainly not everyone got there.

[dmitriyruss]

Incidentally, I also have good impressions about the service of the guys from the Northern Caucasus, but "mine" were from Ingushetia - in terms of discipline there were no questions at all (I think that all the same, the generation born under the USSR is really very different from the current ones). Everything is like a selection of athletes, but boxers, weightlifters, wrestlers and once again wrestlers, but there was no worse punishment for them to run, there were constant problems in terms of marches ...

[engineering]

We in Siberia already have a competition for military service, and not everyone will get there either. The medical commissions are already beginning to mock, the severest selection, as if the selection for astronauts.

“Patriotism is the main motivation”

Russians want to defend their homeland - there are already not enough places for draftees
Since April, Russia launched the spring draft campaign, which will last until July 15. In the Krasnoyarsk Territory this year, 18 thousand men aged 18 to 27 years are subject to draft. But only 3,5 thousand of them will be able to go to the army on the instructions of the headquarters of the Central Military District for the military commissariat of the Krasnoyarsk Territory. Therefore, there were fewer places in the army than those who wanted to go there. About 10% of the recruits are dodgers, all the rest are ready to serve. But only one in five draftees will be able to join the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And now military enlistment offices are forced to arrange a tough selection for health reasons.
link: http://rusplt.ru/society/patriotizm--eto-glavnaya-motivatsiya-23311.html

[dmitriyruss]

Yeah ... the bloody tyrant Putin brought the country, it’s just not possible to get into the army ... not like with the well-known democrat in the 90s

[Bort radist]

Quote: engineering

We in Siberia already have a competition for military service, and not everyone will get there either.

Yes, he told the military commissar - anti-rejection. Three cases falsified certificates that are healthy.

[dmitriyruss]

Tell me something like that in the 90s you would send to a madhouse because it seemed incredible that someone would buy certificates to serve ....

[Banishing liberoids]

The year is now essentially serving everything ready, and not joining the army? Evasionists need to really be planted !!! All adequate men served, many remained on an overdue, and now they are hiding under the skirt of a mother!

[dchegrinec]

God grant that troubled times remain in the past.

[masiya]

a laudable trend, it is necessary to stimulate and support, you can even arrange contests for the best draftee, like shooting in the USSR, physical exercises, NVP in general, driving vehicles, well, in general, the earlier DOSAAF did ..., then the result will be fine from the streets it will decrease and normal guys will be pulled, only who will sponsor, the RF Ministry of Defense will probably not pull, and private investors are unlikely to be found.

[Dim Bes]

It fell on me here .. then the unlucky guy broke his leg, then the old dog is dying, but I can't put it to sleep (even though the veterinarian himself does not raise his hand). And then there was such good news in the evening .. I already wanted to live. I can also add to the hairpin: yesterday on the "foreign press" there was a translated article (mentioning Nemtsov's widow (maybe daughter?)) With a delightful description of how the number of young people who are interested only in "music and building a career" and not in the army is increasing in Russia. Maybe the authors of that opus live strongly in a parallel reality?
Or consider themselves the notorious 20% of the Pareto law ...

[gendir.grifon]

The military and political leadership of the country needs to pay special attention to the preparation of the mobilization reserve. It is necessary to increase the period of conscription military service by 2 years, in the navy 2,5 years. Who can be trained in 1 year? Yesterday's schoolboy begins to feel like a soldier only by the end of this one year and has learned something, but he is already being demobilized. Enough to be guided in this respect by the opinion of various councils (committees) of soldiers' mothers and other "human rights activists" who are "blindly" used by Russia's enemies. And why "reinvent the wheel" invented long ago? Wouldn't it be easier to return to the Soviet Army's mob-reserve training SYSTEM, which has been tested for decades and has proven its right to exist:
- to prepare soldiers and sergeants during 2-year military service,
- the officer corps in the obligatory military departments, followed by a 2-year service or annual fees with a total duration of at least the same 24 months, as well as at 3-month "courses for junior lieutenants", there were such in Soviet times, for sergeants who had served and foremen of excellent students of BPP.
Military service should not ask: "Do you want to serve or not? You are obliged!"
And there is no need to look for loopholes for your sons in the form of various invented mouths, such as it is ridiculous to say "production" or even funnier "scientific".
Then there will be a mobilization military reserve of the state, and the fact that it is needed now is understood even by those who most recently destroyed it.
A mobile reserve and command personnel are needed in case of war, when there will not be enough military personnel. And speaking of the experience of the Great Patriotic War, it was precisely the mobilization reserve that pulled it out, replacing the retired personnel at the beginning of the war.
The fact that at present in Russia with its stupid reforms, I cannot say otherwise, recalling the liberal "reforms", there is a dangerous situation with the state's defense capability, with the preparation of the army's mobilization reserve, this is FACT.

[Zomanus]

Remove the fool from the army, like building figures from the snow,
alignment of strips of blankets on a thread and other things.
With the current development of technology in the army, a close year is enough,
so that a soldier would be at least approximately able to use it.
And it happens that a soldier comes from the army, and from the skills only running and
construction of figures from snow plus continuous cleaning of the parade ground.
And the question is - what for he threw this year out of his life?