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The regiment of the dead Red Army men buried in Rzhev after the 3-years of paperwork

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A year ago, the remains of Soviet soldiers found by search engines near the village of Pogorelki, Rzhevsky district of the Tver region, became the subject of litigation: the leadership of the search party insisted that the remains were buried in Pogorelki, as was indicated in the documents that Soviet officials sent to the relatives of the victims, - agency Ридус.




“The district head Valery Rumyantsev held a different opinion. From his point of view, "the territory of the military cemetery in Pogorelka itself has long been exhausted." It is worth noting that a graveyard for fallen soldiers in Pogorelki appeared as early as 1943, immediately after the liberation of the village from the Nazi invaders. Then under it allocated half hectare of land. In 2015, the local administration forces almost halved the cemetery area by planting an apple orchard there, ”the agency writes.

As a result, while there was an altercation with the local authorities, the remains of 1054 soldiers were kept in bags in an abandoned building.



After this история was made public, the All-Russian Popular Front joined in the case.

“When in the Popular Front they found out about what was happening, they immediately appealed to the administration of the Rzhevsky district and the prosecutor’s office. The latter, having considered the ONF request, sent a statement of claim to the court demanding that the search engines representatives be obliged to transfer the found remains of the district administration, and the officials to bury the remains. In the autumn of 2015, the court satisfied the requirements of the prosecutor's office, however, for objective reasons, the burial took place on 22 of June of this year, ”Reedus quotes the head of the ONF regional working group Andrei Rimdzenok.

“Perhaps it is still early to put an end to this story. The land of Pogorelok keeps hundreds of remains of Soviet soldiers, and the problem of their reburial will arise more than once. However, it can not but rejoice that the regiment of soldiers, raised from the ground, finally found its last refuge, even if not where they are already buried, ”the newspaper writes.

Rimdzenok recently reported that the issue raised by the ONF was continued at the legislative level - “deputies of the Legislative Assembly of the Tver Region expanded the powers of search associations, which will now take care of the preservation and transfer to local authorities of the remains of fallen defenders of the Fatherland.

According to him, “the law will allow to avoid unpleasant situations in the future and will even regulate the temporary storage of the remains discovered by search teams.”
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  1. Egevich
    Egevich 30 June 2016 09: 44
    +37
    an unpleasant aftertaste from reading remained ... officials, their mother ...
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 30 June 2016 09: 52
      +42
      Eternal memory and our deep bow to the fallen Soviet soldiers. hi
      “The head of the district, Valery Rumyantsev, had a different opinion.

      At stake, and this is where in 1941-43 there were fierce battles, a memoryless creature. negative
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 30 June 2016 10: 09
        +33
        “The head of the district Valery Rumyantsev held a different opinion

        There are simply no normal words to put it. From a grandfather's family, 5 people went to the front in July 1941, only one of my grandfather returned, and I still can't hear about the other four brothers: they went missing. Maybe and there their bones lie and ask for the last burial. request But this non-man is sitting and quietly doing his job; he himself needs to be put in a bag of Hitlerite. am
        the remains of 1054 soldiers

        Let the earth rest in peace for all Soviet soldiers who died in that war. crying
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 1 July 2016 07: 09
          0
          Quote: 79807420129
          But this non-man is sitting and calmly doing his job; he himself must put in the bag a little Hitler

          Who is involved search for relatives found remains of the dead soldiers sometimes encounters a situation when, having spent a lot of time and effort, there is a direct heir to the Hero who died for the Motherland. The "heir" (in quotes), having learned about the found relative, perceives this news as something ordinary, which does not concern him personally ...
          Comes to "So what .."; "And what will I have from this"; "Who will pay me for travel / presence" ...
          So not only "bureaucrats" grew up "Ivans do not remember kinship".
          Of course, this is not a common indicator, but it does occur. Most, which undoubtedly pleases, even distant relatives, some kind of grand-niece, for example, perceive the fighter found as the return from oblivion of the most dear and closest person.
      2. DMB_95
        DMB_95 30 June 2016 10: 18
        +18
        There was no land for those who defended this Earth ... It is to what extent you need to be your own.
        1. An64
          An64 30 June 2016 10: 41
          +8
          Quote: DMB_95
          There was no land for those who defended this Earth ... It is to what extent you need to be your own.

          I read about this story for a long time. It’s not just a matter of the land - it turns out that from the number of buried local authorities some funds from the federal budget are “dripped” for the maintenance of burials. So the head of the district wanted to bury the soldiers in the district center.
          And the not quite correct word in the article is "found". In fact, this is a reburial from small mass graves scattered across the fields. Therefore, the burial place of all of them had already been indicated in Pogorelki, therefore the search engines insisted on burial in Pogorelki ...
          Eternal memory to those who died for their homeland !!!
          1. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 30 June 2016 17: 47
            +3
            Quote: An64
            There is not just a matter of the land - it turns out that some funds from the federal budget for the maintenance of burials "drip" from the number of buried local authorities. So the head of the district wanted to bury the soldiers in the district center.

            Vile creatures! And then the money!
            And for the fallen heroes of the war, there is no longer any place to bury?!?
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 30 June 2016 09: 59
      +15
      Enrages one-naughty bureaucrats have kept their place !!!
      1. Vovan 73
        Vovan 73 30 June 2016 10: 20
        +3
        Duc "Vertical" Ely-Pali
        1. quote
          quote 30 June 2016 12: 39
          +2
          Quote: Vova 73
          Duc "Vertical" Ely-Pali

          And without "vertical", officials are "people" at once?
          -------------------------------------------------- ---
          Eternal memory to the dead!
    3. joopel
      joopel 30 June 2016 10: 03
      +10
      Yes, the bureaucrats we have are still .....! You need to drive such kicks along the main street. The dead warriors prevented him from enjoying life peacefully. Well this is so much trouble right away.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 30 June 2016 10: 10
        +3
        They buried them, thank God, with honors and as it should be, and these "bureaucrats" God will judge them ... hi
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 30 June 2016 15: 26
          +5
          "Trust in God - but don't do it yourself."
          Yes, it’s not God who should judge them ... They came up with an excuse for the afterlife - that’s why nonhumans breed !!!
          I myself, personally, faced a similar situation related to the reburial of Heroes. "Council of Veterans" - fat-bellied sit and just think how to conduct a larger-scale event for reporting and cutting, the heirs of the NKVD (the case concerned the border guards of the 101 border detachment who died at the border and did not let the Germans leave without an order to withdraw) the present FSB was sent away ... That's when everything grew together, when there was already an agreement about everything, when the reburial was carried out - then these and "flew up" the speeches to push, to stick out their bellies in front of the TV.
          PS A representative of the FSB border control was also present, but from the FSB, even a border cap was clamped to the grave, although they asked them about it.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 30 June 2016 11: 23
      +10
      “The head of the region Valery Rumyantsev was of a different opinion. From his point of view, "the territory of the military cemetery in Pogorelki has exhausted itself long ago."

      It’s you yourself, as a person you have exhausted, a dung worm!
      Quote: Egevich
      an unpleasant aftertaste from reading remained ... officials, their mother ...

      And what to take from them ?! They are kicking alive, from whom nothing can be fucked - pensioners and veterans!
      And what are the remains of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers that they once died in the war ?!
      Inhumans !!!
  2. Andrey K
    Andrey K 30 June 2016 09: 44
    +27
    Honor and glory to the dead, land to them rest in peace soldier
    On TV regularly showed about this story. Tyagomotin with a reburial was just idiotic request
    The head of the district, Valery Rumyantsev, with his "different opinion" did not care that the remains were in sacks.
    Inhuman, there is no other way to say. His, local "show-off", put above the law. He wanted to show - who is there, in the Rzhevsky district of the Tver region, the authorities negative
    Why is he still "working" negative
  3. Leto
    Leto 30 June 2016 09: 47
    +20
    Maybe I'm cruel, but in a bag in an abandoned building there is a place for the head of the district.
    1. quote
      quote 30 June 2016 12: 42
      +1
      Quote: Leto
      Maybe I'm cruel, but in a bag in an abandoned building there is a place for the head of the district.

      No, not even softly somehow.
      But roll into the asphalt, this is just right!
      I'm not cruel! I did not say pour concrete. That's cruel.
      (everything written only applies to non-People, named Valery Rumyantsev).
      When writing a comment, no one was hurt.
  4. volot-voin
    volot-voin 30 June 2016 09: 48
    +12
    Eternal through death! bright memory!
    Better late than never.
    an unpleasant aftertaste from reading remained ... officials, their mother ...
    Guilty to punish, for mocking the dead, so that others would not be accustomed. People gave their lives for us, maybe there were someone's relatives ...
    They have already proved everything to everyone by their feat, why do they have to prove something to someone even after death? Collect pieces of paper? In my opinion, such people are nothing better than "pusi right".
  5. Runx135
    Runx135 30 June 2016 09: 50
    +9
    Well, as always, the bureaucracy is on top ... It seems like a simple and unambiguous question has been resolved for so long, aren't you officials ashamed of you?
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 30 June 2016 10: 25
      +2
      Many officials often have no concept of shame or conscience. Regrettably! As if they were not born here, and not brought up here. Aliens ()!
  6. prior
    prior 30 June 2016 09: 52
    +14
    The fighters laid their lives for these Pogorelki, and the administration of these Pogorelki did not find land for the burial of the dead !?
    No words, just feelings.
    1. The black
      The black 30 June 2016 10: 02
      +7
      and the administration of these Pogorelki did not find land for the burial of the dead !?
      But where did she come from. Looks like everything has already been sold .... The prosecutor's office !!! AU !!
  7. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 30 June 2016 09: 58
    +6
    here is the thing. in many villages and villages there are memorials, military cemeteries and separate burials of the fallen defenders of the Motherland. where they died, there they buried. or where they found it, they buried it in a neighboring village. I will say in the Novgorod region, at present, there is a decrease in the population of small settlements, and indeed these points themselves. Already there are tracts that can only be reached in dry summers or cold winters. and then on the tractor, because the car will not pass. and in these deceased villages there are graves. and the graves will disappear. maybe all the same it makes sense to create memorials in large settlements, or communication lines (along the road Russia there are a lot of them), where to transfer the remains of the fallen from such forgotten places by God and people. where our grandfathers will not be forgotten and lost. this is just my opinion.
  8. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 09: 58
    +7
    The head of the district, Valery Rumyantsev, was of a different opinion. From his point of view, "the territory of the military cemetery in Pogorelki has exhausted itself for a long time". It is worth noting that the graveyard for the fallen soldiers in Pogorelki appeared back in 1943, immediately after the liberation of the village from the Nazi invaders. Then half a hectare of land was allocated for it. In 2015, the local administration limited the area of ​​the cemetery almost by half. having planted an apple orchard there ”
    I wanted to weld on this land is visible ,? And how else to explain the actions of the head of the district? I just can’t understand one thing: why was it necessary to stretch this for 3 years? The solution is simple: to remove the head of the district from office on the basis of moral inconsistency of an official of the Russian Federation. Detention before charges. Temporary Acting Commissioner for Supervision N. date, signature. yes
    PS Read an interesting story about this chapter and its actions: http://www.polk.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=8350
  9. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 30 June 2016 10: 03
    +3
    bureaucrats are liberals! so that they and their children are kept in bags in such a way!
  10. newcomer
    newcomer 30 June 2016 10: 06
    +7
    land rest in peace for our heroes of the Red Army. kingdom of heaven to the defenders of the motherland. and about bureaucrats_ completely agree with Leto.
  11. Berkut24
    Berkut24 30 June 2016 10: 07
    +8
    Thank you guys for holding on as best you could in a situation where there is practically no hope. No awards, no PR, not even surnames. They just fought to the end for life for others.
  12. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 30 June 2016 10: 16
    +7
    Eternal memory and eternal glory to all the warriors of their life who put for the freedom of our homeland, and to the official our general contempt. Su ... and you, Valera Rumyantsev.
  13. Mikado
    Mikado 30 June 2016 10: 33
    +7
    The day before yesterday I went to Pargolovo (the northern outskirts of St. Petersburg) to one enterprise for work. In the backyard of the enterprise, on a concrete slab, there is a helmet, rusty, one might say, a fine mesh frame remains. I ask: found? They answer: "Yes. And there were a lot of bones (so they answered, you can't insert another word)." Neither the Germans nor the Finns reached that place. Like, they say, they bombed heavily. Probably, there was a missing person .. How many of them are still there. Eternal memory to them! soldier
    1. 1rl141
      1rl141 30 June 2016 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: Mikado
      The day before yesterday I went to Pargolovo (the northern outskirts of St. Petersburg) to one enterprise for work. In the backyard of the enterprise, on a concrete slab, there is a helmet, rusty, one might say, a fine mesh frame remains. I ask: found? They answer: "Yes. And there were a lot of bones (so they answered, you can't insert another word)." Neither the Germans nor the Finns reached that place. Like, they say, they bombed heavily. Probably, there was a missing person .. How many of them are still there. Eternal memory to them! soldier


      About 10 km from Pargolovo there is the village of Luppolovo. On the outskirts of this village there are preserved remains of the first line of Mannerheim. That is, somewhere there the front line passed. I think they found a mass grave in Pargolovo. Or maybe the burial of the dead from wounds. Most likely with Finnish.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 30 June 2016 14: 04
        0
        Quote: 1rl141
        About 10 km from Pargolovo there is the village of Luppolovo. On the outskirts of this village there are preserved remains of the first line of Mannerheim. That is, somewhere there the front line passed. I think they found a mass grave in Pargolovo. Or maybe the burial of the dead from wounds. Most likely with Finnish.

        helmet of the sample of the 40th year, in Finnish they fought in others. Here I also have the feeling that it was the dead who were buried from the hospital. Only the presence of a helmet is confusing.
        As for the line - last year we went to Svetogorsk, where the customer was going to build an environmentally friendly poultry farm. The place is a forest, inside it is a cleared field. We worked it off - we look, a hillock on the outskirts of the site, we came closer - the remains of a bunker or dugout. And the traces of "diggers" are quite fresh. They dug exactly on the device. Thrown away two rusty forged shovels of the 1st half of the 20th century, the rest is carried away (if something was found). I mean that the line was saturated, and that place was not plotted on Wikimapia.
  14. igor67
    igor67 30 June 2016 10: 40
    +4
    http://ria.ru/tv_society/20130903/960326901.html Вот репортаж 2013 года, я вспомнил эту историю, блин три года лежали в сарае , у меня нет слов, мой дед пропал безвести где то в Сталинграде,
  15. quolta
    quolta 30 June 2016 10: 56
    +3
    Yes, face this head of the district to break for such things
    1. igor67
      igor67 30 June 2016 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: Quantu
      Yes, face this head of the district to break for such things

      For some reason, I just remembered this story, where there was a full report, they not only planted a garden there, they build elite estates, and many remains are simply bulldozed to the dump
      1. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 30 June 2016 13: 54
        +2
        There was a plot, you are right, and not one on the central TV!
  16. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 30 June 2016 10: 56
    +4
    And who will tell me that our bureaucrats are not fascists in relation to our memory, in relation to the remains of those who, in the hard years of a brutal war, put their lives on the altar of the Fatherland so that life could continue, including such scum officials! Bullet, honestly, sorry for these!
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  18. PValery53
    PValery53 30 June 2016 11: 09
    +3
    The nameless workers of the war have rested. Blessed memory of them. And officials, of course, need to be kept "in a black body" so that they would know their place, and not skate like cats in oil with poor people.
  19. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 30 June 2016 11: 17
    +3
    Quote: vovanpain
    “The head of the district, Valery Rumyantsev, had a different opinion.

    Who is he to adhere to a different opinion ??? Where and who would he be if not for the millions of those whom he, with his power, refused the last rest? Who gave him this power? People who still honor and remember their heroes. Yes, for one such outrage, to deprive of authority without the right to occupy leadership positions for life.
  20. as150505
    as150505 30 June 2016 11: 19
    +4
    My great-grandfather near Rzhev went missing.
  21. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 June 2016 11: 48
    +5
    Read about Rzhev the memoirs of Captain Shumilin A. "Vanka Company" you will understand the ins and outs of Operation Mars and how many people died there. Officials do not remember this and do not want to know who from the end of the century are born as if in an incubator or are cloned. After all this, I want to say "Let Stalin come and put things in order!"
  22. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 June 2016 12: 11
    +5
    We have that there is not enough land in the country, to bury the fallen soldiers? At the rot, it was necessary to dig these bureaucrats-ogloed nearby.
  23. Dr. Vlado
    Dr. Vlado 30 June 2016 13: 36
    +2
    Where do such Valeria Rumyantsevs and his ilk come from, but most importantly: will this Russian geek-defiler remain in office and climb further up the career ladder, spitting on all of us? In our memory! It would be right to track such resonant incidents so that we all can know that Evil is punished. I really hope that the Military Review will agree with the correctness of this thought.
  24. Not served
    Not served 30 June 2016 14: 15
    +2
    My grandfather died in the militia there.
  25. potapych
    potapych 30 June 2016 14: 32
    +2
    Eternal memory and peace to dust, the holy army finally found peace.
  26. egor-kz
    egor-kz 30 June 2016 22: 24
    0
    Eternal memory to the heroes of the Rzhev operation!