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Is the anti-terrorism “package” strong?

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On Wednesday, 29 June, the Upper Chamber of the Russian Parliament approved a package of changes in the legislation of the Russian Federation concerning the fight against international terrorism. 24 June in the third reading this package was adopted by the State Duma. On the basis of these changes in the criminal field of the Russian Federation, the concept of “international terrorism” itself appears, which was not previously distinguished from the general concept of “terrorism”.

In other words, Russian legislation did not provide for virtually any serious responsibility for persons either in international terrorist groups or actively in contact with them. Recruiting centers could operate under the most decent form in the very center of Russia, but the law enforcement officers themselves didn’t have any real rights to suppress such activities. Any professional attorney could, as they say, “otmazat” the recruiter without much difficulty, declaring, for example, that the prosecution does not understand the canons of Islam at all and gives out “ordinary sermons about good and evil” for trying to recruit into international terrorist groupings. Will something change now?

A regulated legal base appears in Russia, on the basis of which a person who is in one way or another involved in the activities of an international terrorist group must bear personal responsibility, and the responsibility must be of a criminal nature.

From the statement of one of the co-authors of the package of amendments to the deputy of the State Duma from the faction "United Russia" Irina Yarovoy:
None of the proposed norms concerns the restriction of rights and freedoms. We are talking about security measures, responsibility measures, preventive measures, which are applied primarily to persons who commit crimes. In general, criminal law is repressive in relation to criminals, and in relation to Russian citizens, it is of an absolutely protective nature.


As soon as both chambers of the Russian parliament voted in favor of the amendments, the usual ferment among the masses began. LiveJournal, Facebook and other platforms, which, so it turns out, it is customary to gather at the "progressive public" of a mostly liberal sense, broke out in angry posts about "denying freedom of speech", "returning 37 of the year" and, of course, "The clawed hand of the Kremlin, tearing the foundations of democracy."

Is the anti-terrorism “package” strong?


If we collect all the liberal statements that "37 is coming back," over the past 5 years, then we should have fires of the Inquisition on the street - and this is at least ...

The greatest resonance of this kind of public caused the following points:
on limiting the right to leave the country for certain categories of citizens;
about the obligations of cellular operators and Internet providers to store data on conversations and correspondence of users for a certain period of time;
responsibility for failure to report on the preparation for the terrorist attack.


For greater objectivity of the conversation is to submit a few angry notes from the furious liberal users LJ.
Andrey Malgin gives material "News State Dura ", which is tormented mentally and, possibly, physically:

Internet providers and mobile operators will be obliged to store for six months all the data transmitted by users, the need to comply with this standard was previously estimated at trillions of rubles.

The FSB will have the right to demand keys from the operators and providers to decrypt the information, as well as get rid of the need to compensate for the damage caused during the special operations.

Deadline for failure to report. Finally. How we missed this rate.


Well, as an illustration of the author of mental torment from LJ - shots from the film “High Award” (USSR, 1939 year):



No, well, this is necessary ... Mr. from LJ is literally being pushed into informing ... And the person who clearly preoccupied himself with such a question along with the question of “trillion rubles of operators”, apparently, does not find a place for himself, thinking how can he now be - “to inform or not to inform”.

In fact, the case is surprising: people who are in complete ecstasy of life, for example, in the United States of America, including the American security system, suddenly become hysterical about the fact that Russia is going to introduce a legal framework that looks like a real kindergarten in comparison with the regulations in force in the United States. That is, the total wiretapping of phones, access of special services to the data bases of Internet providers and mobile operators in the USA is a great achievement of freedom and democracy, designed to protect law-abiding citizens, and, well, oh-so-very-great-stretch analogous Russian measures - this is “arbitrariness” and “antidemocracy in its pure form.”

It is also an amazing thing because when Edward Snowden published his revelations about total surveillance by the US intelligence, the entire Russian non-living brothers kept silent in a rag, either afraid to anger the grantors, or if they really believed that total surveillance by the CIA and the NSA around the world - the most important democratic goodness.

Through the same LiveJournal, human rights activists' bloggers spread calls to the president asking them not to sign a "totalitarian document."

What is it, huh ?! Appeals - to the president. The right (or crooked) defenders who "attacked" Putin "for the bloody gebnyu" since the time of the act of Dima Yakovlev, now suddenly turn to the "tyrant", "bloodsucker" and "the initiator of the bloody gebni." Hey, where is the logic, the Muchachos? .. It was necessary to go directly to The Hague or Strasbourg - there they ate a dog on a “bloody gebna” and finish eating Polish apples and French cheese with mold not supplied on the basis of counter sanctions.

And by and large, the anti-terrorist amendments with a huge stretch can be called really anti-terrorist. The ban on leaving the country of persons suspected of terrorism? Well, yes - the norm seems to be correct. However, practically nothing prevented such persons from leaving various paths before leaving Russia and fighting on the side of all sorts of terrorist groups in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and Kosovo. If you interfere now, then you can put in an asset.

Data storage by cellular operators and Internet providers, on the basis of which they predict a nearly threefold increase in tariffs - a measure that seems to be tough (almost NSA), but how much did this measure help the same States to catch terrorists? If it helped, then the States persistently keep silent about it. Although here in the States, whose representatives of the higher authorities themselves meet with the future leaders of the terrorists, there are some questions ... And these questions are also related to the reason for which the NSA and the CIA are actually carrying out their mega-tracking? - to identify and trap terrorists, or still to get information about the upcoming steps of the authorities of foreign states and for insider economics? Snowden seems to be talking about the second ...

"Consignment". Well, this is some kind of liberal horror story, which was already mentioned above. If a person knows about the preparation of the attack and is silent, then how is he different from a terrorist in this case? Punishment for such an actual accomplice should be appropriate. Although, given the current capabilities of lawyers associations, it can already be said that the prosecution side in this case will face obvious problems - go and prove that one neighbor knew about the trotyl bag in the basement of another neighbor, even if the first neighbor helped second, drag this bag out of the trunk of a car with "broken" numbers ...

The abolition of the initiative to deprive terrorists of Russian citizenship is altogether regarded as an act of the incredible humanity of Russian lawmakers. Apparently, the prospect of feeding terrorist ghouls (as an example, the notorious Nurpashi Kulayev is a Beslan militant) in a Russian prison, just because they have Russian passports, our legislators seem to be quite acceptable ... He will kill American, Saudi, Qatari and Turkish money people, fulfilling the will of the owners, and then the Russian taxpayer (if the ghouls are caught and convicted) will unfasten part of their payments to the state treasury for its maintenance. Humanism ... You will not say anything.

As a result, a comment on the “package of Spring” from the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Peskov (quoted Interfax):

We are aware of different views regarding this bill. We are aware of the specific comments that make, including communications workers, public activists, public organizations. Now they are being studied, and the decision will be made by the president when the document goes to him for signature.

In general, the fact that the package looks ambiguous is a fact, but the fact is that, against the background of increasing threats from international terrorism, it is strange to continue to ignore the concept itself, to put it mildly, if not to say criminally. Work, sort of, is underway. And whether the first pancake will come out as a lump will show in the near future.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 1 July 2016 05: 55
    +7
    Let them stick "rights and freedoms", well, you know where. Compliance with the law for all is the guarantee of rights and freedoms.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 1 July 2016 06: 11
      +5
      But with THIS (everyone’s observance of the law) we have problems .. There are untouchables. And informing, tricking, etc. is a common occurrence in the West. Just the Akhejakovs and Makarevichs try not to remember about it ..
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Let them stick "rights and freedoms", well, you know where. Compliance with the law for all is the guarantee of rights and freedoms.
      1. user
        user 1 July 2016 09: 00
        +6
        In general, the fact that the package looks ambiguous is a fact


        Knowing our Russian realities this. . . . . . tried to find the words, but all the words are obscene. For some reason, renunciation of citizenship is inhumane and not democratic, and these amendments were removed, and not even informing close relatives left (which incidentally is a violation of the constitution) you know how many people will suffer from this - our mentality simply does not allow us to knock on friends and good acquaintances. Moreover, current terrorists will be spared from such trifles.
        In short, this bill (in its current form) is a split in society and the extension of criminal prosecution to people who directly have no direct relation to terrorism.
        Well, we are waiting for what the president will say.
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 1 July 2016 10: 31
      +4
      I do not mind the data. Let them keep eternity. Just why should I (other subscribers) pay for storage? Whoever gets caught, even pays. And not to officials, but to these telecom operators. And to be honest, another feeding trough. And for officials, and for the type of businessmen from communication, and not only.
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 1 July 2016 13: 55
      +4
      Such an article will also appear in the Criminal Code - failure to report on an impending act of terrorism. Those who have not reported to the police or special authorities “about the person (s)
      >> Whoever knows about the impending terrorist attack is probably known to those who are preparing this terrorist attack. Those. de facto, the state forces them to risk their own lives.

      "who, according to reliably known information, are preparing"
      >> It's not clear at all here:
      1. What sources will be considered reliable?
      2. There’s some kind of plug here: if you find the information reliable, but they didn’t turn out to be that, it’s a false denunciation that there is a crime. If, however, the information was considered insufficiently reliable, and they were reliable, then, it turns out, it is already guilty of this amendment.
  2. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 1 July 2016 06: 18
    +2
    Viber, WhatsApp and telegrams seem to be protected so far.
    Ps I wonder if I write to my best friend as a joke "Allah Akbar" in VK in PM, does it mean that they left for me?
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 1 July 2016 12: 25
      +4
      left for you now ...
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 1 July 2016 06: 25
    +10

    Through the same LiveJournal, human rights activists' bloggers spread calls to the president asking them not to sign a "totalitarian document."

    A human rights activist-traitor, a hypocrite, a person who has lost conscience. Something like this will be written in the explanatory dictionaries of the future.
  4. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 1 July 2016 06: 29
    +5
    One question torments me ... how can deprivation of citizenship help the fight against terrorism? This is how parents abandon their children. If a terrorist has grown up in his family ... he will have to bear responsibility ... they have slandered ... in this case, feed him for life in prison.
    1. kebeskin
      kebeskin 1 July 2016 06: 43
      +1
      And it seems right to me. If you become a terrorist, then you are no longer a citizen of the Russian Federation. Terrorism has no nationality or state affiliation. For good, how to say wet a terrorist well, everyone knows where. But we do not have such a measure. And to feed a terrogyug for our money in prison is also not good. I think depriving citizenship of the most optimal measure in this case.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 1 July 2016 17: 20
        0
        Quote: kebeskin
        Terrorism has no nationality or state affiliation.

        And here you are wrong. All terrorism is paid for and protected by "someone". And it is easier to deal with a citizen of your country (For good how to say) than with a foreigner.
    2. Altona
      Altona 1 July 2016 07: 58
      +1
      Quote: Alexander S.
      One question torments me ... how can deprivation of citizenship help the fight against terrorism?

      ------------------
      Probably the very mechanism for implementing this rule of law. Where and how to send this type and who will accept it?
  5. Waltasar
    Waltasar 1 July 2016 06: 38
    0
    If this really helps to prevent a terrorist attack, save someone's life, then I do not mind. I'd like to believe that for this everything is created and not from scratch, but after analyzing the efficiency of such systems.
  6. Tsoy
    Tsoy 1 July 2016 07: 03
    +17
    I am not a liberal and do not admire life in the United States, I am more comfortable next to the Baikal, but I don’t like this package from the word at all. It's not just a violation of privacy rights, but also stupidly about money. Creating an infrastructure for storing the metadata of a conversation (that is, there will be no recording of the conversation itself, only the info. Time, place, duration, addressee) will require a huge investment. It's about nothing less than a couple trillion rubles! These are servers, software, new technical solutions, changes to the existing architecture. All this equipment needs to be bought in the west. And who will pay for gesheft? Correctly simple subscribers. Already announced a rise in tariffs three times. But security will tell you ... so the rise in price of cellular communication will not affect the activities of terrorists. They use viber and telegram no one can open them. From the spring initiatives of the Spring, too, there was both benefit and harm.

    The abolition of citizenship and the travel ban has already been withdrawn from the package.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 1 July 2016 07: 21
      +3
      I completely agree. This package will work in the West. because all electronic equipment will have to be purchased there. Those. the money of Russians will safely flow to the satisfied West. Well, a 3-fold increase in tariff is such a trifle! Less will hang on the tubes. and chatting in vain. Only this law is unlikely to affect terrorists.
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 1 July 2016 08: 40
        +3
        It is not yet clear what to do with Internet service providers, ip telephony services, hosting and others who can be affected by the law. Onitam completely crazy.

        The bill will affect Telegram, WhatsApp, Viber, ICQ messengers using end-to-end encryption. The document may also be affected by the Internet protocol HTTPS, which provides for the secure transmission of data from many Internet portals. In particular, Facebook, VKontakte, Twitter and other communication services will be at risk. This mechanism is also used by Internet banks, hotel and ticket booking sites, some media, online encyclopedias and other various resources. The head of Roskomnadzor, Alexander Zharov, estimated the share of encrypted traffic in runet at 30%. Internet companies gave their estimates on this score at different times: from 50 to 80%.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 1 July 2016 08: 49
        +5
        Quote: kuz363
        I completely agree. This package will work in the West. because all electronic equipment will have to be purchased there. Those. the money of Russians will safely flow to the satisfied West. Well, a 3-fold increase in tariff is such a trifle! Less will hang on the tubes. and chatting in vain. Only this law is unlikely to affect terrorists.

        Kalashnikov called the sum of 15 billion dollars - for the money that will go into the pocket of foreign companies, you can update our entire fleet with interest. And accused Yarovoy of lobbying the interests of Western companies
        1. vik669
          vik669 1 July 2016 18: 17
          +1
          Take spring!
          Yes, she deserves it and nothing else!
      3. kotvov
        kotvov 1 July 2016 11: 55
        +1
        Well, a 3-fold increase in tariff is such a trifle! ,,
        you think it’s not right. This will affect everything that has electronic media, and believe me, not a little.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 1 July 2016 07: 56
      +11
      Quote: Choi
      I’m not a liberal and I don’t admire life in the USA, I’m more comfortable next to Baikal, but I don’t like this package from the word at all. It is not only a violation of privacy rights, but also stupid in money.

      And it seems to me that this is just pre-election PR from Yarovaya and the YEDRO party. But this package will hit the common people. Perhaps Yarovaya will pay out of her own pocket for all the initiatives that she proposed? And now look at the example of Snowden. The Americans deprived him not of his citizenship, but simply an American passport and now they cannot get it. The same will happen with the terrorists. You have deprived them of their citizenship, they are not your citizens and what right do you have to demand their issuance?
      An example of cynical, but indicative. The rise by the Americans of our missile carrier K-129, who died at Hawaii. The example of ours not declaring the boat dead, gave Americans the opportunity to explain this blasphemy by the reason that it was nobody’s, abandoned property. So it will be with terrorists, they’re nobody’s and on what basis should we give them to you? Are there few cases of double standards in relation to Russia?
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 1 July 2016 08: 43
        +5
        yes here as if strange PR, rather antipiar. Nuts tighten, twist, they have that there is stakes when the revolution begins? Overhaul, Plato, excise taxes on fuel, now the Internet? The campaign above was already laid on the people so big and fat that even the Constitution was no authority for them. Spring this bill violates at least the secret of correspondence, but everyone is silent, only liberastov remember.
        1. gaura
          gaura 1 July 2016 09: 09
          +1
          Exactly. All these projects were aimed at loosening the situation in order to change the power of the masses like Maidan.
          There was Plato, there was Medved with his "hold on", now this anti-terrorist law and immediately the law on missionary activity, which bombed not sects, but Christians themselves. Even in doping scandals, our officials did not really defend the athletes, they didn’t defend them at all, they just bleated that they were ready to obey.
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 1 July 2016 09: 19
          0
          Quote: Choi
          Yarovaya this bill violates at least the secrecy of correspondence,

          Does not break. The data is simply stored for six months and that's it. Records of negotiations are provided only by court order; nothing has changed in this regard.
          Another thing is that the corruption component cannot be ruled out - you must agree that if some cunning tycoon from the operator’s company merges your negotiations with third parties, this will not be pleasant.
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 1 July 2016 10: 09
            +3
            You're wrong. It’s just as much howling due to the fact that operators are obliged not only to store data, but also to provide access to law enforcement agencies on request and assist in decoding. And now, as I understand it, the request in court is not needed. I was wrong about metadata too.
            Half a year is stored the content of the conversation itself, that is, the record. And three years meta data. This will also affect the organizers of the dissemination of information on the Internet included in a special registry.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 1 July 2016 10: 13
              -2
              Quote: Choi
              that operators are obliged not only to store data, but also to provide access to them to power structures upon request and to assist in decryption

              Ummm ... maybe I don’t understand what?

              - there is SORM (this is telephony, KMK)
              - there is SORM-2 (this is the Internet, again KMK)

              What's new? Why are mobile operators howling? What equipment purchases, why?

              Please explain who is in the subject ...
              1. Tsoy
                Tsoy 1 July 2016 12: 15
                +5
                Sorm is still operational development. A wiretap when the suspects are already known. And Yarovaya offers wire tapping of absolutely all interactive systems. Messengers, cellular communication, social networks, any content sent and received. Huge arrays of information - recording conversations, sms, dialogues, and more. Yes, the same comments on the sites. All this needs to be stored somewhere. That's what the datacenter building is for. The law does not imply the use of budget funds for these purposes, which means all expenses will fall on the operators.
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 1 July 2016 12: 00
            +2
            . The data is simply stored for six months and that's it,
            in order to store it, you need to have something to store. In addition, it should be storage centers, to which communications should be connected. Plus the service staff. It will result in such a pretty penny that spring is not combustible. And it just will not grieve, and we will .
      2. lwxx
        lwxx 1 July 2016 23: 10
        +2
        Amur. 7.56. You are absolutely right. This golden mandate deputy is simply afraid that Kamchatka will give her a ride like the first two times. Here it is, with all its strength, it gives out a high order for the law, the main quantity. And the fact that they do not work or need serious revision does not shake it. Ps gold mandate from the golden mandate that Medvedev gave her, since she did not go through the voices. Although it may have a direct meaning ....
    3. ZAV69
      ZAV69 1 July 2016 09: 52
      +1
      Yes, this infrastructure has already been created !!!! All metadata is already stored in billing. Even if the conversations themselves are stored, then too much is not necessary. It’s just that there’s a cartel conspiracy of operators to get rich
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 1 July 2016 10: 44
        +3
        Where is it created? Can you imagine the amount of information to be stored? Law unsuccessful for two reasons, expensive and stupid.
        Dear - according to the law you need to keep all transmitted data by users. This applies to telecom operators and organizers of information dissemination on the Internet, to which any Internet sites can be counted. Yes, even IN. This is just a huge amount of information. No data centers, no hardware, no software. 5 latest estimate trillion for the entire infrastructure. Both for the Internet and for cellular communication. This is almost half of budget revenues for 2015 a year. Plus corruption and otpily with kickbacks and the amount becomes more than the Vostochny cosmodrome, Sochi 14, World Cup, the rearmament of the entire fleet and a couple more aircraft carriers would remain. The laughter itself that the law does not imply the use of public money. That's bullshit. That is, they want the telecommunications companies to build everything themselves. Eprst they live in the country of unicorns? Wanted and self appeared!

        Stupid - The new law requires all “information dissemination organizers” who use “additional coding” of electronic messages to provide the FSB with information that allows them to “decode” everything they need. They forgot to say that now everything is encoded on the Internet. An image, text or sound file sent via e-mail is encoded using MIME protocol. The standard originates from 1982 year and what to tell the FSB about the principles of this protocol chtoli? Encryption. VO also works on https, as well as the site of public services. The owners of sites on the https protocol simply cannot transfer encryption keys to operatives, the technology does not imply that. And what about payment systems? Swift uses its own encryption protocols and the PCI DSS system does not imply the disclosure of keys.
    4. kotvov
      kotvov 1 July 2016 11: 54
      +3
      . And who will pay for the gesheft ?,
      Here the Ministry of Culture has joined. It proposes to equip hotels with CCTV cameras.
      I’m tracing the same gesheft here. What is the matter to the Ministry of Culture to the hotel? Someone is breaking through mass purchases of foreign electronic gadgets.
  7. Darkness
    Darkness 1 July 2016 07: 20
    0
    Cellular operators have already panicked.
    They promise to raise prices 2-3 times.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 1 July 2016 07: 35
      +1
      Quote: Darkness
      Cellular operators have already panicked.
      They promise to raise prices 2-3 times.

      They will have to purchase 30000 racks with data warehouses, without any import substitution. The stump is clear, they will transfer these costs to subscribers.
      If you judge by reason, then this is a kapets of course - people pay taxes to the state, the state ensures their safety with this money, but then they decided to get into their pocket, it’s not good.
      If they need it, let them allocate money from the budget and buy equipment for them; I personally disagree from paying in my pocket.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 1 July 2016 08: 52
        +1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        If they need it, let them allocate money from the budget and buy equipment for them; I personally disagree from paying in my pocket.

        It is also doubtful - they will reduce spending on social networks and the defense industry, which will be much more significant than the incomprehensible international terrorists that we have successfully dealt with recently
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 1 July 2016 09: 41
          +1
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          also doubtful - they will cut spending on social programs and defense, where it will be much more significant

          So you need to postpone this topic until the time when money appears on it.
          Citizens of the Russian Federation pay taxes and they are not obliged to pay the vagaries of the State Duma from their pockets.
          If these taxes are not enough, then it is necessary to raise the welfare of citizens to such a level as to be enough.
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 1 July 2016 10: 14
            +1
            whims speak? Primaries of the ruling party were paid from the budget of the party, which is funded by the state. It turns out the taxpayers paid for an incomprehensible event that came as much as 5% of voters in the Irkutsk region, and 10 throughout the country.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 July 2016 07: 43
    -1
    burst into angry posts about “infringement of freedom of speech”, "Return of 37 years" and, of course, “the clawed arm of the Kremlin tearing apart the foundations of democracy.”

    It is good to yell about 37 when they know that there will be nothing for it. At 37 they would shut up and scribble opera on their associates with small beads. Too freely they live in Russia, and therefore they are overgrown.
  9. Blondy
    Blondy 1 July 2016 07: 51
    0
    Well, I don’t know, with denunciations, here is more likely a plus. And it's not about denunciations. It’s just that it will be very difficult to recruit - the recruiter will already know in advance what he’s going to and what he’s going to do, because citizens will simply have to report about his initiative.
  10. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 1 July 2016 07: 55
    0
    The law is needed, but not in this form.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 1 July 2016 08: 10
      0
      Quote: Darth Revan
      The law is needed, but not in this form.

      No one denies this, and I agree with you. What they have just adopted is an election PR. Less important laws have been passed for years, and this raw paper for a day has been accepted in THREE readings. We did not think about how anyone would implement it.
  11. drop
    drop 1 July 2016 07: 57
    +6
    For terrorists, this law lacks the death penalty. It is high time to introduce it in Russia for treason and terrorism. Who defended our country in Egypt, Angola, Afghanistan I think will understand and support me. I have the honor.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 1 July 2016 08: 32
      +4
      based on the leaky legislation and problems in the judicial system, the introduction of the death penalty will be a disaster. I do not remember who said, but it is better to let go of the guilty than to kill an innocent. The death case is the ultimate form of punishment. If a person is innocent, and the system was mistaken, even one innocent would be enough for the Russian Federation to be mixed up with shit. And they will be right. For the death penalty, we need a working and properly functioning judicial system, which we unfortunately do not have.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 1 July 2016 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: Drop
      For terrorists, this law lacks the death penalty.

      I'm afraid that if Madame Yarovaya deals with this issue, then all this will result in something like that.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 1 July 2016 09: 06
        +2
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        I'm afraid that if Madame Yarovaya deals with this issue, then all this will result in something like that.

        United Russia will go like a forest, in the end - that's what it will result in. Deputies from this party cannot be punished for absenteeism, because when they are not at "work", they do less harm.
        This time I’m going to the polls - I’ll vote for the Communists.
  12. Mengad
    Mengad 1 July 2016 07: 58
    +2
    Quote: kebeskin
    And it seems right to me. If you become a terrorist, then you are no longer a citizen of the Russian Federation. Terrorism has no nationality or state affiliation. For good, how to say wet a terrorist well, everyone knows where. But we do not have such a measure. And to feed a terrogyug for our money in prison is also not good. I think depriving citizenship of the most optimal measure in this case.

    Well well. Suppose we stripped a citizen of a terrorist, and then what? imprisoned? expel outside the Russian Federation? The border guards came to the deserted section of the border and until he sees the other side stuffed it on the other side of the border? They say that you are not ours and you will not get back because you do not have Russian citizenship lol And take the other Party and give him the citizenship of your side and the name will change, and then what? winkedIn general, everything is somehow wrong.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 1 July 2016 08: 00
      0
      Quote: Mengad
      Well well. Suppose we stripped a citizen of a terrorist, and then what? imprisoned?

      In theory, on the contrary, it would be necessary - first to jail, and then to deprive already.
  13. Svoy_tovarish
    Svoy_tovarish 1 July 2016 08: 07
    +1
    Anti-terrorism measures are right, this is necessary. Now especially when so many threats are thrown to our country. Only I would suggest that our government paid for the costs of mobile operators to create these very repositories. Honestly, prices have already risen for almost everything, wages are being reduced, and in relation to imported goods we have already become 2-3 times less solvent. Personally, in my region, mobile communications and Internet at home will cost not more than 1000 rubles, but 2,5-3. With an average salary of 15-20 thousand, this is essentially not so.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 1 July 2016 13: 29
      +2
      where so much dough to take omitting the absurdity from the technical side, and the efficiency of putting such a system in place, spend trillions on what the mechanism created with the questionable utility is unclear ... This is a clinic. In a country that has nowhere to put money to the population? I just do not understand how it was possible to pass this bill faster than the law on collectors ...
  14. Mengad
    Mengad 1 July 2016 08: 10
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: Mengad
    Well well. Suppose we stripped a citizen of a terrorist, and then what? imprisoned?

    In theory, on the contrary, it would be necessary - first to jail, and then to deprive already.

    Then some garbage turns out: the court passed a sentence, deprived of citizenship, a person without citizenship of any country is in prison. winked
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 1 July 2016 08: 39
      0
      Quote: Mengad
      Then some garbage turns out: the court passed a sentence, deprived of citizenship, a stateless person is in prison

      So foreigners are planted. Who cares?
  15. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 1 July 2016 08: 16
    +2
    All lawmakers have shown how brilliant they are. And they also laughed at Brezhnev.
  16. Mengad
    Mengad 1 July 2016 08: 24
    +1
    Quote: tim00
    Quote: Gray Brother
    If they need it, let them allocate money from the budget and buy equipment for them; I personally disagree from paying in my pocket.

    you might think that the authorities will ask when your pockets are turned out. pay how nice they say

    Oh, it’s very expensive. Data centers need to be purchased, maintained, and even more so improved, and that’s billions, tens of billions of dollars and yarof. recourse
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 1 July 2016 08: 50
      +2
      Quote: Mengad
      l and this is billions, tens of billions of dollars, yarof.

      It would be cheap, there would be no questions.
      It’s just in Russia that the government, that the representatives of big business, have a wonderful habit - to solve their own problems at the expense of others.
      The only country in the world in which fuel prices rise with falling oil prices is Russia. Oil companies, you see, profits are falling - they raised domestic prices, got into the pocket of the population and all the norm.
      Now here's the connection yet ... All this makes me honest, to be honest.
  17. Mengad
    Mengad 1 July 2016 08: 36
    +1
    Here's the answer to the question: The UN Human Rights Council during the 32nd session without a vote adopted the resolution "Human Rights and Arbitrary Deprivation of Citizenship" proposed by Russia. It is reported by RIA Novosti. The resolution adopted deals with measures to prevent violations of human rights by arbitrary deprivation of his citizenship. https://rns.online/economy/Sovet-po-pravam-cheloveka-OON-prinyal-rezoltsiyu-Ross
    ii-o-proizvolnom-lishenii-grazhdanstva-2016-06-30 /? utm_source = rnews
  18. runway
    runway 1 July 2016 09: 01
    0
    No law will protect against terrorism.
    Only the effective work of special services is capable of combating this evil. Those who go to the terrorist act have already said goodbye to their lives. Therefore, all these punishments "from two to five years" ... they do not care. The law, which is now being actively discussed, is directed against protests by citizens. For this purpose, the concepts of "extremism" and "terrorism" are blurred in it. With the adoption of this law, ANYONE dissatisfied with the current situation can be prosecuted. And you say the prices for communication will go up ...
    Now is not 37 years old, but it seems.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 1 July 2016 10: 21
      0
      By the way, yes, that this is only about the cellular main directions of the Yarovaya-Ozerov draft law.

      Misconduct (terrorist attack, insurgency, unrest)
      Justification of terrorism in the social. networks.
      Telephone conversation and SMS recordings
      Data encryption
      Missionary
      Tougher punishment for extremism
      Declination to mass disorder
      Criminal liability with 14 years for international terrorists
      International terrorism
      Checking postal parcels
  19. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 1 July 2016 10: 39
    +1
    Quote: Choi
    By the way, yes, that this is only about the cellular main directions of the Yarovaya-Ozerov draft law.

    Misconduct (terrorist attack, insurgency, unrest)
    Justification of terrorism in the social. networks.
    Telephone conversation and SMS recordings
    Data encryption
    Missionary
    Tougher punishment for extremism
    Declination to mass disorder
    Criminal liability with 14 years for international terrorists
    International terrorism
    Checking postal parcels

    If there is an increase in tariffs, it will affect everyone, so the people react so violently. Naturally, no one likes (I am also no exception) a sharp increase in the price of something.
  20. snc
    snc 1 July 2016 11: 02
    +2
    The requirement to store ALL broadcast data for even six months (at first these stupid people wanted 3 years) is about how to require Roscosmos to double the brightness of the moon at night.
    And the requirement to provide encryption keys will kill online banking, Internet trading, payment terminals and bank cards. they will all be compromised. Small providers will close, such data centers will not be affordable, they can forget about the cellular Internet and we will sit at 128kb / s for 3000r. With such traffic and prices, the providers will probably be able to fulfill the requirements of the law.

    I would not begin to compare signalmen and oil industry workers either. Now in my phone there is a no-brainer Internet (except torrents) for 400r at a speed comparable to home, the coverage area and the quality of communication are abruptly often than behind a hill. And what can the oil industry boast of? The fancy import engines are still littering with our gasoline, only the price tag is growing.

    The actual absence of a parliament in our country is even more upsetting: only 1 deputy and 8 senators voted against this bill, i.e. only 9 people in parliament have their own opinions.
    Continuous "approvals" ((
  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 July 2016 12: 09
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    Quote: kebeskin
    And it seems right to me. If you become a terrorist, then you are no longer a citizen of the Russian Federation.

    If a terrorist is deprived of Russian citizenship by a court verdict, in 5 minutes he will become some kind of Qatari or a Turk and they will demand his extradition (it turns out in a moment that he committed more serious acts against them).
  22. Falconmg
    Falconmg 1 July 2016 13: 04
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    For me it’s just the usual election PR, only at the expense of the population. Wait, closer to the fall, several more governors or large officials will be tied up on bribes, pensions will be indexed by several percent, and others. All to splurge on how our state cares about the population. Well, after the election you yourself know what will happen.
  23. Kenneth
    Kenneth 1 July 2016 15: 24
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    Interestingly, in recent years, at least something has been allowed. And it’s also interesting how much money will be taken from us for the re-equipment of mobile operators with equipment for storing information for the year.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 1 July 2016 17: 55
      +2
      The Supreme Court allowed the arrest of the only housing of debtors
      Federation Council authorized the use of troops in Syria
      The president has allowed to have two passports
      Rosselkhoznadzor allowed the importation of Moldovan apples
      The President has allowed to ignore the decision of the ECHR to the Constitutional Court
      The RF Armed Forces authorized the confiscation of a computer for the dissemination of the swastika
      The Supreme Court allowed to criticize chiefs

      Approximately 45 / 45 good and bad. The remaining 10 percent cannot be classified. Either nonsense or nonsense.
  24. Kenneth
    Kenneth 1 July 2016 15: 27
    0
    It’s not clear what the topic of mission is. Does the ROC come in? Or I can’t cross myself on the street. Well, Allahu Akbar poor Muslims can only say in a whisper for a long time.
  25. Glaaki
    Glaaki 1 July 2016 15: 54
    +1
    Oh, it started. All those who are against it are immediately recorded in the fifth column and "liberal dandruff", traitors and provocateurs.

    Mr. Volodin Alexei, where do you think our operators and providers will get the money to create a technical base that meets the norms of this law? I give a hint - from the pockets of ordinary citizens. Now it’s clear why everyone is so negative about this?

    Well, for the sweet - why did the young bastards who brutally killed a domestic kitten and filmed this on video give a sparse 30 days, and for repost the pictures give a full few years? Or, in general, science fiction - the Nazi propaganda case was opened for reposting the cartoons (!!) of Kukryniksy (!!!).
  26. would
    would 1 July 2016 16: 11
    +3
    We have another law from "people's representatives" (I did not choose these ...). Another pro-Western sabotage law.

    For now, we’ll touch only on IT topics, namely, information storage: Calls, the fact of receiving and transmitting such, the text of SMS messages and the fact of receiving or transmitting such, video, etc.

    First you need a huge storage infrastructure. This is at best trillions of rubles that will be spent on Western equipment due to the fact that there is none and is not expected in the near future. Still have to spend a lot of money on its maintenance. Where did operators get these trillions of rubles? Correctly! From the pocket of subscribers both directly and indirectly. Directly by raising tariffs for communication services, and not directly by redistributing funds, abandoning the construction and modernization of existing communication networks. And with this in Russia, to put it mildly so-so, especially the Internet. That is, the probability of getting time-appropriate communication systems, for example, in the Far East is sharply reduced to zero.

    Oh well! Purely hypothetically, let’s say that the money was taken, the necessary capacities were built and put into operation, the collection of many exabytes began in the best case (if in simple terms: 1000 megabytes-1 gigabytes-1000 gigabytes-1 terabytes-1000 terabytes-1 petabytes-1000 petabytes = 1 exabyte ) data. And here comes the problem of modern intelligence services. There is nothing impossible in accumulating huge volumes of information; it is impossible to analyze it in the same quantities. There are no solutions that would allow the most reliable analysis of countless hours of talk and other similar data. There are too many of them and they require too complicated analysis. This is especially true for malicious messages that consist of conditional words and sentences (read the encryption) and it is often impossible to define them as malicious without clarifying data. Such systems, built as a rule on the basis of an artificial neural network, are now found only in some kind of futuristic and usually anti-utopian works.

    That is why in the United States, the CIA and the NSA were unable to present even dozens of captured terrorists with the help of the same mass surveillance.

    In the modern world, the information collected in this way is useless and in fact is accumulated for the sake of accumulation.

    Thus, it turns out the following: the West receives trillions of rubles (in dollars of course), Russia sharply reduces its ability to build communications infrastructure to a minimum, thus putting an end to the development of undeveloped territories and the further development of the IT segment. This is without a doubt a victory of the West.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 1 July 2016 16: 30
      +1
      I agree with you that the development of networks will stop. Providers and operators will think a hundred times whether to start a project to develop communications in a particular area. With the jump in the ruble exchange rate, the introduction of new protocols and data transfer methods has slowed down. And now everything seems to be on the spot, and the prices go back to the beginning of 2000.
  27. beer-youk
    beer-youk 1 July 2016 17: 48
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    Quote: Darkness
    Cellular operators have already panicked.
    They promise to raise prices 2-3 times.


    It would be worth freezing the tariffs for cellular communications by law. Overgrown profitability operators have already overtaken the drug business! And this screech is just an excuse to turn your penny costs into thousand rubles expenses of subscribers. Is Madame Yarovaya their shareholder? (Joke).
  28. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 1 July 2016 21: 12
    -5
    These laws should have been adopted twenty years ago, but measures against terrorism will never be redundant.
  29. GUSAR
    GUSAR 2 July 2016 00: 40
    +1
    But will not this stored data (as it often happens) merge, be sold, laid out FIG knows where and by whom? And it’s not a matter of terrorism, but suddenly the whole country, or even the world, will read what Petya wrote to Mane in the evening ...