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Groysman insists on using the Ukrainian GTS instead of “Nord Stream-2”

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Kiev insists on using its gas transmission system for the transit of blue fuel to Europe instead of “Nord Stream-2”, reports RIA News Statement by Prime Minister of Ukraine Vladimir Groysman.


Groysman insists on using the Ukrainian GTS instead of “Nord Stream-2”


“I believe that such a project (Nord Stream-2) can be a threat from the point of view of the energy dependence of the European Union, including from a monopoly supplier. The challenge today is diversification. And it seems to me that it is necessary to make the most of the opportunities of Ukraine. We offer it and insist on it. And I think this makes a lot of sense, "
said the prime minister.

Earlier in Moscow it was noted that the “Nord Stream-2 project fully complies with the requirements of European legislation,” and that gas transit through Ukraine costs the Russian side 20% more than a new gas pipeline. According to the Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Novak, all attempts to disrupt the implementation of the project are caused only by political considerations.
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  1. Darkmor
    Darkmor 30 June 2016 08: 58
    +22
    But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?
    1. seti
      seti 30 June 2016 08: 59
      +46
      He can insist on anything and talk about anything. But he always, like the other jumpers, had nothing to say. So the Germans and the company will scratch their heads, beat the best conditions and sign up for the SP-2. The only question is time.
      1. 2224460
        2224460 30 June 2016 09: 09
        +20
        Groysman insists on using the Ukrainian GTS instead of “Nord Stream-2”
        Still he didn’t insist, the country was "ruined", production stopped, people are becoming impoverished, and then they are thrown off the chimney, how can we not be indignant. Do what is "maghem"? Only to steal, but from transit, truncated.
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 June 2016 09: 53
          +11
          So let them rush about with their pipe, nobody will take you into account, you have been multiplied by zero, it's time to close the project.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 30 June 2016 10: 09
            +20
            Nothing like this. The pipe will remain and will be in demand.
            After it joins the German gas transportation system, it will deliver Russian gas from the Nord Stream to Ukraine in reverse mode.
            Everything will be fine.
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        3. WKS
          WKS 30 June 2016 10: 31
          +6
          Groisman said - Germany did! Who is this Groysman, translated from German as a big man, either fat, or tall, or both, but in any case, the size of the body is meant. They know that this is actually a small pimple on the body of Ukraine in Germany.
          1. zennon
            zennon 30 June 2016 16: 25
            +2
            Quote: wks
            Who is this Groysman, translated from German as a big man, whether fat or tall

            Big. Tall is hoch, and fat is dicker.
            or both

            Yes, it is unlikely. From other characters is not very different:
            1. sgazeev
              sgazeev 1 July 2016 10: 06
              -1
              Quote: zennon
              Quote: wks
              Who is this Groysman, translated from German as a big man, whether fat or tall

              Big. Tall is hoch, and fat is dicker.
              or both

              Yes, it is unlikely. From other characters is not very different:

              The surname Groisman is formed from a nickname based on the word "groiser" (translated from Yiddish - "large"), more precisely - its abbreviated form "groys". The basis for it was the German word gros - "main". Perhaps the surname Groisman was given to the main people who occupied some specific position in society. However, this could be called simply a large, dense person.
              1. zennon
                zennon 3 July 2016 00: 09
                0
                Quote: sgazeev
                The basis for it was the German word gros - "main".

                The main one in German is Main, and the big one is spelled-große. You need to write not through the letter S, but through the ligature. Teach the grammar before you teach the people.
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 30 June 2016 16: 57
            0
            Quote: wks
            Groisman said - Germany did! Who is this Groysman, translated from German as a big man, either fat, or tall, or both, but in any case, the size of the body is meant. They know that this is actually a small pimple on the body of Ukraine in Germany.

            Small is small, but the head works:
            Quote: wks
            “I believe that such a project (Nord Stream 2) could be a threat from the point of view of the European Union's energy dependence, including on a monopoly supplier. The challenge today is diversification. And it seems to me that we need to make the most of the opportunities of Ukraine.

            I just don’t understand how. Whether through the "stream" or through the Ruin, the gas is Russian. Where is the diversification then? I'm going to get my glasses, otherwise I won't see it.
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 30 June 2016 09: 12
        +19
        Quote: seti
        The only question is time.
        The only question is when the Ukrainian GTS will finally become worthless. For some reason, Europeans prefer to invest in SP-2, whose value is estimated at 8 billion euros, but not in the upgrade of the Ukrainian gas pipe, the modernization of which will cost about 2,5 billion of the same euros. It seems that the bourgeoisie know how to count money, but hey, you prefer not to deal with Ukrainians. Better with a smart to lose than with a fool to find?
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 30 June 2016 09: 57
          +5
          For some reason, the Europeans prefer to invest in SP-2, whose value is estimated at 8 billion euros,
          I would add, “stability,” in the country. who knows that tomorrow he will wander into the head of the Svidomites, the pipe will blow.
        2. russmensch
          russmensch 30 June 2016 09: 59
          +4
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          For some reason, Europeans prefer to invest in SP-2, whose value is estimated at 8 billion euros, but not in the upgrade of the Ukrainian gas pipe, the modernization of which will cost about 2,5 billion of the same euros. Like bourgeois know how to count money

          Yes everything is correct. Investing money in "dead iron" in which anyway gas will not be just stupid. And so, albeit more expensive - for that it is more reliable.
          1. quote
            quote 30 June 2016 12: 54
            +3
            Quote: russmensch
            Invest in "dead iron"

            But what? Ukhraintsy already started to rust? It seems they were going to ride forever.
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 30 June 2016 10: 33
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          For some reason, Europeans prefer to invest in JV-2, whose value is estimated at 8 billion euros, but not in an upgrade of the Ukrainian gas pipe, the modernization of which will cost about 2,5 billion of the same euros

          They SAY that it will cost in 2,5. And the Europeans have already realized that the minimum in 20, and still will not be ready. Moreover, Ukrainian brigades that really know how to work on gas pipelines will not come from Siberia, why? To be thrown there habitually? Lyashko will cook, adnazannna ....
        4. zennon
          zennon 30 June 2016 16: 29
          +1
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Better with a smart to lose than with a fool to find?

          As an option. In addition, 2,5 mld is just the beginning. The coilers have a very old hydraulic system. In addition, it is much longer than SP-2. Transit is correspondingly more expensive.
      3. 79807420129
        79807420129 30 June 2016 09: 14
        +21
        Quote: seti
        He can insist on anything and talk about anything. But he always, like the other jumpers, had nothing to say.

        Yes, sadness for the jumpers of horses has come. laughing(Can be opened in a new tab)
      4. Kent0001
        Kent0001 30 June 2016 09: 32
        +2
        I agree, SP-2 be, in any way.
      5. The black
        The black 30 June 2016 09: 49
        +8
        The sense of Ukraine is to steal as much Russian gas as possible, because Ukraine is also against the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, because Ukraine is used to living for free ..... and Groysman let the city go through a cloth.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 30 June 2016 10: 21
          +5
          Quote: Black
          The meaning of Ukraine, to steal as much Russian gas as possible


          I would add that the main point is blackmail of Russia...
          Together with theft, this is called - to spoil a neighbor in full ...
      6. CONTROL
        CONTROL 30 June 2016 10: 32
        +4
        Quote: seti
        He can insist on anything

        ... Insisted, insist, and I will insist !!! Peppercorns ...
      7. NIKNN
        NIKNN 30 June 2016 17: 18
        +3
        He wants to let him use, the only thing that needs to be done is to carry out deliveries to the "DAFF border of Russia", and then let them think about how to receive ... At least through China, at least through America, we should be on the drum. Maybe 404 will be put in its place, although "the food is fresh, but gray ... with difficulty."
      8. sgazeev
        sgazeev 1 July 2016 10: 03
        0
        Quote: seti
        He can insist on anything and talk about anything. But he always, like the other jumpers, had nothing to say. So the Germans and the company will scratch their heads, beat the best conditions and sign up for the SP-2. The only question is time.

        And the clock is ticking, time is running inexorably. It's time for Groisman to lather his heels. wassat
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 30 June 2016 09: 01
      +34
      Quote: Darkmor
      And it seems to me that we need to maximize the opportunities of Ukraine. We offer it and insist on it. And I think that makes a lot of sense, "

      The meaning of what? Theft of gas or insanity? request fellow
      1. Comrade Schucher
        Comrade Schucher 30 June 2016 09: 12
        +2
        Senya Vovtsu didn’t leave a nifig, he tidied everything up to his raking legs, and the dough was pumped from the pipe like a bug of blood.
        Here is Vova’s toad and strangling - also the lard of the green hotz, and scratch the hemp.
        Previously, it was necessary to fuss, when there was still something to rest on.
    3. Andrey K
      Andrey K 30 June 2016 09: 06
      +10
      Groysman insists on using the Ukrainian GTS instead of “Nord Stream-2” laughing
      Outrageous impudence fool
      A beggar with a bare ass dictates how much he should pour out a voiced coin wassat
    4. vkl.47
      vkl.47 30 June 2016 09: 06
      +8
      I expected that he would say that this gas will be poisoned by the Russians. And that Europeans will turn into kammunists. That this is a special gas of the Kremlin and only SCHONEUMERLAND has special filters
    5. joopel
      joopel 30 June 2016 09: 18
      +10
      What diversification did this ethnic Ukrainian Groysman say? Both gas flows from one supplier, Russia, are pumped through both northern streams and through the ukropiteksky rusty pipe.
    6. inkass_98
      inkass_98 30 June 2016 09: 20
      +8
      If the gas transfer point will be the eastern, but not the western border of the Ruins - please. We will not be bothered by the fate of this gas. The Ruin will have to provide transit itself, repair the pipe itself, be responsible for leaks, accidents, gas theft - similarly. But no, that Svidomye, that Europeans want to maintain the status quo, and we somehow do not need it at all.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 30 June 2016 19: 19
        0
        And here the dog rummaged. The transit option from the eastern border is possible only in two cases:
        - Ukraine joining the EU
        - dissolution of the EU.
        The second is more likely, but this will definitely not happen for the comfort of Ukrainian leaders of thieves' culture.
    7. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 30 June 2016 09: 33
      +3
      Quote: Darkmor
      But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?

      It would be better to clearly explain what the fundamental difference is along which way Russian gas will go to Europe.
    8. Sly
      Sly 30 June 2016 09: 41
      +2
      ahah
      Do not take the feeder, please - asked Vladimir Groysman
    9. Dym71
      Dym71 30 June 2016 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: Darkmor
      But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?


      I beg you what kind of repair, now they will only blow the tune, as in a joke:

      “Uncle Izzy,” says Semochka, “thank you very much for the pipe that you gave me.” Such an expensive gift!
      - Yes, nonsense! What is there dear? 60 kopecks.
      - But then mom and dad give me 3 rubles every night so that I don’t play.

    10. Vend
      Vend 30 June 2016 09: 44
      +4
      Nothing personal, just business. But Europe’s dependence on gas will be after the construction of Nord Stream-2, completely in the hands of Germany
    11. The black
      The black 30 June 2016 09: 45
      +2
      But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?
      Right! But only the whole mosk in the cheeks leaked ... Like a hamster. laughing
    12. Angara
      Angara 30 June 2016 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: Darkmor
      But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?

      But what about the money of the aggressor country wassat
    13. Gray brother
      Gray brother 30 June 2016 10: 17
      +4
      Quote: Darkmor
      But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?

      It is interesting to whom he generally speaks all the time and who listens to him ... This is not even a talking head - it is body meaningless.
    14. Juborg
      Juborg 30 June 2016 11: 57
      +1
      And diversification due to what? Due to taking bribes for free, for driving this gas, or has Ukraine become a gas power? But not a monopoly, is it like Europe has options for the purchase of cheaper gas? It seems not, except for the expensive at times American slurry, which swims past Europe, despite all the pathos and promises. So what kind of diversification are you talking about? The supplier from the East is one, 49% of the European market is behind him, and it is not profitable for him to have unnecessary intermediaries in pumping gas, moreover, they are, to put it mildly, unreliable as the supra-state that this pure Ukrainian with an ambiguous name represents. (You don’t know what words to choose , so that the admin does not ruffle the text or delete it without explanation, as in my comment on the topic of Mannerheim!).
    15. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 18: 53
      0
      Quote: Darkmor
      But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?

      not hard to guess
  2. hirurg
    hirurg 30 June 2016 09: 00
    +10
    Of course. Who would doubt that.
    And you ask the Germans what they think about it.
    But the Bulgarians for the south stream.
    Everyone wants to live well and, preferably, at someone else's expense.)))
    And Ukraine must first take away the "rope".)
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 30 June 2016 10: 26
      +5
      Quote: hirurg
      But the Bulgarians for the south stream.


      What? Again ???

      PS Is the behavior of the Bulgarians in relation to the South Stream much different from the behavior of Ukraine ???
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 30 June 2016 15: 02
      0
      Quote: hirurg
      But the Bulgarians for the south stream.

      The Bulgarians, pleasing the EU, have already shot themselves in the foot, abandoning the South Stream, and then, having thought better of it, decided to backtrack. After all, there was no alternative to Russian gas! Now they are again trying to agree on the resumption of construction of the South Stream. Skins are corrupt!
      I still remember the words of Taras Bulba: "Well, son, did your Poles help you?"
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 June 2016 09: 00
    +11
    Europe ceased to take into account the interests of Maidania in its calculations. So Groisman can tear as much as he wants. They cut off the gas for him, and it’s the end. And then - the whole system will become unusable, because there will be nothing to maintain and repair. Northern fox comes closer.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 30 June 2016 10: 18
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      , because it will not contain and repair anything.

      They don’t repair it anyway.
  4. Karasik
    Karasik 30 June 2016 09: 01
    +11
    You have to be people! First they blackmail Russia, then they steal gas (brazenly, without hiding it!), And then they are surprised: "Oh, why does the" aggressor country "not want to use our gas transportation system?" D.B ...
  5. mpzss
    mpzss 30 June 2016 09: 02
    +3
    I'm wondering how Ukraine will fight the "monopoly" of GOZPROM !? Will they fart into the pipe?
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 30 June 2016 11: 26
      +1
      Quote: mpzss
      I'm wondering how Ukraine will fight the "monopoly" of GOZPROM !? Will they fart into the pipe?
      but is it someone forbids them? after launching the SP-2 it will even be easier - there is no back pressure.
  6. seti
    seti 30 June 2016 09: 04
    +5
    Quote: Darkmor
    But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?

    Yes, to all but the jumpers, this is obvious. Contracts in most countries end in 2020 and it is unlikely that Russia will renew them through the GTS. And gas, like firewood, in the apt expression of GDP, can only be bought in Mother Russia. Of course, we will not offer robe on shoulders and axes in hand, but they still have to sign contracts on OUR conditions. Then the Turks wanted to jump into the engine, but he had probably left - the Germans would not miss their profit and they did not care about the opinions of all the others.
  7. BARKAS
    BARKAS 30 June 2016 09: 05
    +5
    Now, at least for a few months, they will definitely not forget about Ukraine now! And the most offensive for Svidomo Putin is not to blame.
  8. Dr. Stein
    Dr. Stein 30 June 2016 09: 06
    +2
    Yeah, schaz, here's the current "Narodnoe Heritage" will take a longer run and give up Nord Stream 2.
  9. Enoch
    Enoch 30 June 2016 09: 07
    +2
    Money, money, money - now they are in a hurry to revive the Turkish Stream. Liberals. What would comrade Stalin to this.
  10. K-50
    K-50 30 June 2016 09: 08
    +6
    Kiev insists on using its gas transportation system to transit blue fuel to Europe instead of Nord Stream-2, RIA Novosti reports a statement by Prime Minister of Ukraine Volodymyr Groysman.

    And how many years has there been no access for Russian specialists for a routine inspection and preventive maintenance of the gas treatment plant? And how much without it can the GTS still be able to work trouble-free?
    I’m not even talking about the uninterrupted supply of gas to all consumers. Here we are talking about the security of the Ukrainians themselves. Once in the USSR there was a leak on a gas pipeline in Bashkiria near the railway. When passing a passenger train, an explosion occurred (as from a huge volume-detonating bomb, since the mixture of gas and air is explosive). There were a lot of victims.
    And here urkaina "breeds" such "BOMB" to itself. Yes, they have to squeak and squeal, so that they should be repaired, so as not to "bang"!
    And when it blows everything will be left without gas, if Nord Stream 2 is not started. Germany will have enough from the first line, and the rest? And if it happens in winter? LNG is not dung. Although certainly the beneficiary in this case will be a shitty mattress, well, the Saudis and the Emirates.
    And the Gayrepeans will have nowhere to go - if you don't buy it, you will freeze. Their houses are not very insulated, they build everything on "snot", it's cheaper. laughing
  11. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 30 June 2016 09: 09
    +16
    Today is Thursday, the work week is over. Among all the news, this is the most !!!
  12. Mengad
    Mengad 30 June 2016 09: 10
    +7
    As long as the regime in Ukraine does not change, until adequate people come to power who want to have fraternal relations with Russia and the Russian people, there can be no talk of any economic relations with this so-called country!
    1. Runx135
      Runx135 30 June 2016 10: 05
      +2
      Good idea! And tell yours. wink
  13. prior
    prior 30 June 2016 09: 10
    +5
    I would like to ask this, if I may say so, to the Prime Minister: "Whose gas is in the pipe? What is the security for Europe from the Ukrainian transit pipe? Whose side is the valve on?"
    What does Lafa end? Will there be no place to steal gas? Nothing to blackmail? Erdogan writes nothing from penitential letters?
    Eh, Vova, would trade better bananas on the Cherry and in the central market.
    1. Lyton
      Lyton 30 June 2016 09: 38
      +3
      It’s exactly where the horses will gas if they don’t go through their pipes, and they started to bustle with all kinds of statements and concessions for the transit fee, but it’s too late, at least our leaders didn’t backtrack on how much to wipe off.
  14. GAF
    GAF 30 June 2016 09: 12
    +4
    Dreams, dreams, "dreaming is not harmful."
    The challenge today is diversification.
    But the supplier remains Russia. This means only the transportation of gas. Real gas deliveries through SP-2 from Germany to Ukraine exclude fraud with virtual deliveries through Slovakia. You have to pay for everything.
  15. Xmyp
    Xmyp 30 June 2016 09: 12
    -3
    I’m interested in one thing, why should the residents of Russia rejoice? As I understand it, 99% here do not understand one thing, that if gas is launched through the Nord Stream-2, the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline line will not be needed in such a volume.
    Think with your own head how quickly people working in this enterprise will kick under the ass? How quickly do cities and towns die along this line? How quickly do technological equipment, pipelines, equipment, etc.

    I just don’t understand where adequate comments have gone on this site. Or, after 2014, the urapatriots came running, and the adequate ones were banned?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 30 June 2016 09: 33
      +4
      Quote: XmyP
      the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline line will not be needed in such a volume.

      Well, maybe in this case this pipe can be "reoriented" for the needs of Russian villages. and so ... really, where are we going to steal gas? belay
    2. Bramb
      Bramb 30 June 2016 10: 58
      +1
      Look at the pipeline map. And just look at the map of pipelines under construction.
      Immediately make sure that your fears are in vain on this issue.
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 30 June 2016 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: XmyP
      As I understand it, 99% here do not understand one thing, that if gas is launched through the Nord Stream 2, then the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline line will not be needed in such a volume.
      Think with your own head how quickly people working in this enterprise will kick under the ass? How quickly do cities and towns die along this line?



      Twenty-five again ... The Government of the Russian Federation should think about it, which it does not do ...

      Look at the map and the territories along which the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline is laid ...
      Its total length is 4451 km, 1420 km in Ukraine, that is, 1/3 of the ...
      There are 42 compressor stations on the gas pipeline, and only 9 of them are in Ukraine ...

      Included in Ukraine in the Kursk region ...
      If we consider the non-gasified part of Russia, then it will be no less than the Central and Western Europe ...

      Let them build branches, gasify villages and towns on the territory of the Russian Federation ... Yes, this will not bring SUCH profit, as when selling to Europe, and will not quickly return the invested funds ... However, it will be built FOR MYSELF and its people .. .

      So the jobs, logically, will not decrease, but even increase ...

      However, I repeat: this requires the political will of the government and the "desire" of Gazprom ... All the same, he is not a purely private person, but a state corporation ... And the state is not only a mechanism for managing and oppressing the people, but also a mechanism for protecting them. including social, according to the Constitution ...
    4. nekot
      nekot 30 June 2016 12: 35
      0
      Since you are interested, google)) Here's a snap: http://rian.com.ua/analytics/20160226/1005811217.html
      Are these adequate comments? That everything is lost and we must bitterly cry over any news? Well, the proportion of people suffering from manic-depressive psychosis, in general, is not too large yet))
  16. semuil
    semuil 30 June 2016 09: 13
    +3
    And it seems to me that we need to maximize the opportunities of Ukraine.
    Ukraine is already holding back the Russian threat to Europe to the maximum, and the Germans don’t want to overtax it with gas either. They feel sorry for fools. Appreciate it.
  17. Arkan
    Arkan 30 June 2016 09: 16
    +2
    Gazprom will decommission equipment in the Ukrainian direction. Let them insist on what they want, "Nord Stream 2" will be built. The Ukrainian GTS is worn out to the limit, no one will invest in its reconstruction, and these beggars do not have their own pennies.
  18. Bramb
    Bramb 30 June 2016 09: 19
    +2
    The largest world oil and gas players invested in SP-2. Do you think they will simply throw their billions, forget about profits and support the Ukrainian gas transportation system, which needed overhaul 5 years ago? )))
    We just watch the next circus performed by the horses.
  19. clinch63
    clinch63 30 June 2016 09: 24
    +3
    Miller at the SPIEF "put everything on the shelves", "chewed", but even basic things do not reach the dbl. It is cheaper to supply gas to Europe via Nord Stream 2, and the route is shorter and the environmental burden is less. Purely economic arguments and no politics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc0pbMyhIO8). Gazprom will optimize the gas transmission system in central Russia (in other words, it will get rid of unnecessary pipelines and pumping stations going towards Ukraine). Khokhlov can only cut their pipes for scrap. In general, follow the link in the video.
  20. Galleon
    Galleon 30 June 2016 09: 28
    +8
    I do not think that Gazprom employees will suffer from the closure of the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipe. The number and length of gas pipelines is not decreasing, but growing at an accelerated pace. But my old dream, which was born back in those years when Ukrainians were just beginning to master the theft of our gas and blackmail in transit, is beginning to come true. No matter how much the rope ...
    Of course, the poor thing can only scream, not sparing the voice.
  21. DMB3000
    DMB3000 30 June 2016 09: 28
    +2
    Quote: 2224460
    Groysman insists on using the Ukrainian GTS instead of “Nord Stream-2”
    Still he didn’t insist, the country was "ruined", production stopped, people are becoming impoverished, and then they are thrown off the chimney, how can we not be indignant. Do what is "maghem"? Only to steal, but from transit, truncated.

    Lukashenko and Putin are frying Yushchenko at the stake.
    Putin begins to spin faster and faster and Lukashenko is unhappy:
    -Vladimyr Vladymyrovich! But sho you twist it so, so quickly twist? He doesn’t fry properly, he will not be roasted, but you’re right in a circle ....
    Putin without stopping twist:
    - Well, you understand, when I start to twist it slowly, it is coal ... t.
  22. VP
    VP 30 June 2016 09: 35
    +7
    I have long despaired of looking for logic in the statements of hohlobossov.
    How does transit through Ukria solve the "monopoly supplier" problem?
    Well, let them drive gas "not monopoly" through their pipes, what is Groisman's problem, what does SP-2 have to do with it, how does it interfere?
    But the fact that SP-2 relieves consumers from the monopoly of transit countries affects the gas security of Europe very positively.
  23. Wildfox
    Wildfox 30 June 2016 09: 43
    +4
    20% is just an official difference, but there are also "costs" and all sorts of fraud. I wonder why the gas supply contracts are secret? If Miller managed to include transportation (costs) in the final price for the Europeans, then the Ukrainian GTS is sentenced, even if tomorrow they will modernize it all.
    I think the Europeans and engaged in SP2 to be safe from inadequacies.
  24. sgr291158
    sgr291158 30 June 2016 09: 46
    +2
    And what else remains for this Groisman to do, only demand. Dill then flies into the abyss in all directions. So at least there is some kind of money to squeeze out.
  25. BOB044
    BOB044 30 June 2016 09: 47
    +3
    “I believe that such a project (Nord Stream-2) can be a threat from the point of view of the energy dependence of the European Union, including from a monopoly supplier. The challenge today is diversification. And it seems to me that it is necessary to make the most of the opportunities of Ukraine. We offer it and insist on it. And I think this makes a lot of sense, "
    That is, the supply of gas through Ukraine is not dangerous for Gazprom, and through the Nord Stream-2 supply will be a danger. Tell Groceman honestly that from deliveries through Nord Stream-2 Ukraine will not be able to steal gas. And this is so insulting for Ukraine and the toad smothers it, that it doesn’t work out to make a profit in a freebie. hi
  26. Maks-80
    Maks-80 30 June 2016 09: 54
    +2
    He can insist on anything. Only to insist on it, few people care. wassat
  27. Angara
    Angara 30 June 2016 09: 57
    +2
    Chef, everything was lost: they don’t give money, they turn off transit! wassat
  28. mamont5
    mamont5 30 June 2016 09: 58
    +1
    Quote: Darkmor
    But Groysman said, what kind of pipes will his pipes be repaired?

    Why repair them? They will grease salome so that the gas skips faster and is enough. And if something happens - they are not to blame.
  29. Xmyp
    Xmyp 30 June 2016 10: 07
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: XmyP
    the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline line will not be needed in such a volume.

    Well, maybe in this case this pipe can be "reoriented" for the needs of Russian villages. and so ... really, where are we going to steal gas? belay

    I hope you do not believe in forest unicorns and flying ponies?
    Gazprom is not interested in villages, etc., all the costs of connecting the population come from the federal budget, Gazprom does not invest there. The interests of Gazprom are only the main line abroad and the withdrawal of money through gaskets.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 30 June 2016 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: XmyP
      Gazprom is not interested in villages, etc., all the costs of connecting the population come from the federal budget, Gazprom does not invest there.


      I already tried to answer your previous comment above ...

      The controlling stake in Gazprom belongs to the state represented by the government of the Russian Federation ...
      In general, who feeds the girl, he dances her ...
      And the same Miller could not do anything without Putin or Medvedev's approving nod ...

      But will this approving nod regarding the gasification of Russian villages and towns be a question ...

      The state is officially interested in Gazprom’s profit, receiving a tax on profits to the budget ... Revenues (profits) received from the Russian hinterland will be immeasurably lower than from the sale of gas to Europe ...
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 30 June 2016 15: 16
        0
        Quote: weksha50
        . Revenues (profits) received from the Russian countryside will be immeasurably lower than from the sale of gas to Europe ...

        And to Russia, our Putin and Miller do not care deeply! They need money, now a lot! And the fact that in Russian villages there is no gas they care less than anything else!
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 30 June 2016 21: 02
          0
          Quote: Saratoga833
          And to Russia, our Putin and Miller do not care deeply! They need money, now a lot! And the fact that in Russian villages there is no gas they care less than anything else!



          So, stop-stop-stop ... What were we talking about? Or - what does the article say ???

          I personally responded to the comment of a person who said that after the closure of the yellow-blue section of the pipe, people would be left without work ... And I tried a little to show the connection between the allegedly "independent" Gazprom and the state apparatus ...

          And you are trying to drag me into a debate about who the figs are in our power ... I can tell you that - in my opinion - EVERYTHING !!! However, this is not the topic for our discussion of this article ...
  30. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 June 2016 10: 09
    +2
    Kiev is not at the address, in North-2 from European countries Germany is primarily interested, which becomes a monopolist transit country, therefore it will have it from contracts, not Kiev, and therefore Baba Yaga is against.
  31. Berkut24
    Berkut24 30 June 2016 10: 11
    +3
    It is ridiculous to hear arguments about European security from a country that does not stop killing right and left, experimenting with nuclear reactors and cautiously looking for nuclear weapons to reproach Russia.
  32. Khariton
    Khariton 30 June 2016 10: 13
    0
    How did they all get these Waltzmans, Grosmans ... Freeloaders bloody ... am
  33. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 June 2016 10: 15
    +2
    It’s good to stir up topics against neighbors when everything’s normal at your place,
    booty in the heat, money in his pocket tossing.
    But when the house cracked half a wall,
    there were a bunch of uninvited guests, and lava is sparse in your pocket,
    all these games with neighbors abruptly cease.
    This is me about the EU and Ukraine.
    Now those EU countries that really decide
    will pull together the entire resource, so that later
    to share according to the mind, and not according to the wishes of all EU members.
    And what about the SP-2 account, so it does not cancel diversification.
    If you want through Ukraine, let through the joint venture ...
  34. weksha50
    weksha50 30 June 2016 10: 17
    +1
    "Kiev insists ..."...

    Somehow it’s not even funny anymore ... It's disgusting ...

    PS Where are the 3 lard of debt ??? Do you "insist" them to run up with interest under 5 lards? Well, well, keep up the good work ...
  35. certero
    certero 30 June 2016 10: 24
    0
    Quote: inkass_98
    If the gas transfer point will be the eastern, but not the western border of the Ruins - please. We will not be bothered by the fate of this gas. The Ruin will have to provide transit itself, repair the pipe itself, be responsible for leaks, accidents, gas theft - similarly.

    This is only at first glance. You understand in more detail that in any case, the supplier will be interested in ensuring that the consumer is satisfied. And nod to Ukraine or don’t nod - anyway. Therefore, bypassing the territory is the most correct move. Which was supposed to be made 8 years ago.
  36. renics
    renics 30 June 2016 10: 41
    +2
    But what about the propaganda company there, Russia is the aggressor and occupier of Ukraine. It means pouring mud and receiving dividends from Russia as a thank you for this. What do horses think with an ass instead of a head.
  37. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 30 June 2016 10: 48
    +3
    And not only Groysman ....
    Poland, which opposes Nord Stream 2 and thereby supposedly defends the interests of Ukraine, has given out its real interest in this project. According to two independent and public sources, Warsaw expressed a desire to buy gas coming through this gas pipeline. And although Poland itself refutes this, it seems that the real plans of Warsaw are just such.


    Poland requested deliveries via the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline annually in the amount of 11 billion cubic meters of gas. This statement was made by a member of the board of the German company Wintershall ("daughter" of BASF) Tis Thiessen.
    He “surrendered” to Warsaw, answering a question about the position of the Polish regulator regarding Nord Stream 2, which for the second time postponed the consideration of the application for a permit to establish a joint venture Nord Stream 2 AG.

    “Poland has requested 11 billion cubic meters of gas, which it is interested in receiving. Why should this project, as a result of which Poland receives the gas of interest to it, be torpedoed? ” - Thyssen said, adding that he expects a “positive decision” from the Polish regulator.

    Poland’s interest in Nord Stream 2 is not accidental. It is beneficial to Warsaw for two reasons. Firstly, it is a guarantee of gas production, which is much cheaper than LNG from Qatar or Norway, and secondly, this project also promises transit benefits.

    Poland is one of the leaders in the movement to abandon Russian gas, and it turns out that it is the first in line to supply gas without the participation of Ukraine.


    http://vz.ru/economy/2016/6/23/817630.html

    So, nothing shines for Ukraine, if even the most "stubborn" in the EU "opponents" of Nord Stream -2 are conducting hidden separate negotiations. And the rest of the "partners" ... wassat
  38. Bramb
    Bramb 30 June 2016 11: 18
    +1
    From the beginning of this year, Ukrainians increased the cost of transit through their territory (about 1300 km) from 2,7 to 4 per 100 km, i.e. almost one and a half times. In absolute terms, this is about 52 dollars per thousand cubic meters. instead of the previous 35.
    Now we consider: for every billion cubic meters. rise in price will be 17 million dollars. And taking into account volumes of 100 billion cubic meters it will be 1,7 billion dollars. Well, last year the transit amounted to about 70 billion. But even with these numbers plus 1,2 yards of greenery, they are quite substantial.
    As they say, find the stolen billion.
    Based on these figures, do you think Poland will save hundreds of millions of dollars without investing anything at all, or will it save on itself for the sake of these crazy horses? The question is rhetorical.
  39. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 30 June 2016 11: 22
    +1
    Quote: 2224460
    Still he didn’t insist, the country was "wasted", production stopped, people are becoming impoverished, and then I throw off the pipe

    well, neither of which he will hand over these pipes to ferrous metal and will be in fat
  40. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 30 June 2016 11: 30
    +1
    He expects that Russia will replace pipes and repair hydraulic structures. Relative of Yatsenyuk?
  41. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 June 2016 11: 39
    +1
    Well, who is this trickster that depends on him. But how many dogs bark on the street, and what to listen to? No, he is no one and there is no way to call him, what are we talking about gentlemen?
  42. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 June 2016 11: 56
    +1
    And this misunderstanding of nature was asked "his opinion"? wassat Who needs it with his statement? fellow With your pan-head? laughing
  43. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 June 2016 11: 57
    +2
    I have never been to Ukraine, but it surprises me why the Weltzmans, Groysmans, Skashvili rule there?
  44. Xmyp
    Xmyp 30 June 2016 12: 05
    -2
    Quote: weksha50
    Quote: XmyP
    As I understand it, 99% here do not understand one thing, that if gas is launched through the Nord Stream 2, then the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline line will not be needed in such a volume.
    Think with your own head how quickly people working in this enterprise will kick under the ass? How quickly do cities and towns die along this line?



    Twenty-five again ... The Government of the Russian Federation should think about it, which it does not do ...

    Look at the map and the territories along which the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline is laid ...
    Its total length is 4451 km, 1420 km in Ukraine, that is, 1/3 of the ...
    There are 42 compressor stations on the gas pipeline, and only 9 of them are in Ukraine ...

    Included in Ukraine in the Kursk region ...
    If we consider the non-gasified part of Russia, then it will be no less than the Central and Western Europe ...

    Let them build branches, gasify villages and towns on the territory of the Russian Federation ... Yes, this will not bring SUCH profit, as when selling to Europe, and will not quickly return the invested funds ... However, it will be built FOR MYSELF and its people .. .

    So the jobs, logically, will not decrease, but even increase ...

    However, I repeat: this requires the political will of the government and the "desire" of Gazprom ... All the same, he is not a purely private person, but a state corporation ... And the state is not only a mechanism for managing and oppressing the people, but also a mechanism for protecting them. including social, according to the Constitution ...


    I don’t want to argue with you.
    You probably know better than the Gazprom employee how they will do the branches (they will not be), how they will not cut (already cut), how they will not dismantle (they are already starting the conservation of the workshops at medical facilities), etc. wink

    I don’t understand one thing, as there is a conversation about gas and Ukraine, so there are many hamsters screaming about free gas to Khokhlov.
    Likely when the gas is closed or sent along another line, the hamsters will immediately receive a lot of $$$ from Gazprom? Nobody remembers their plebeians.
  45. Wolka
    Wolka 30 June 2016 12: 51
    +4
    everyone knows Ukrainian greed and pathological craving for freebies, but Ukraine has completely discredited itself as a gas transporter and currently does not represent any worthwhile prospect, its GTS is significantly worn out and requires huge investments in reconstruction and repair, and why our "national property "(To Gazprom) this shoe polish ...
  46. Shuttle
    Shuttle 30 June 2016 13: 34
    +3
    Generally speaking, Groisman is right, but not 100%. Nord Stream 2 would indeed threaten the European Union ... if Ukraine became a member of the European Union. Until then, it does not threaten. Quite the opposite.

    By the way, an interesting point about dependence on one supplier. Can the Ukrainian gas transportation system transport any other gas, except from the territory of Russia? If so, from what other territory? And if it cannot, then how does it affect the so-called. "monopoly" of Russia?
  47. atamankko
    atamankko 30 June 2016 15: 03
    0
    It's disgusting to talk to this unfinished
    and they are still trying to demand something, goons.
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 30 June 2016 15: 44
      0
      Quote: atamankko
      It's disgusting to talk to this unfinished
      and they are still trying to demand something, goons.


      And (under) country is a nation or government? Or people and government?
  48. afrikanez
    afrikanez 30 June 2016 15: 28
    0
    You might think. that if the transit goes through Ukraine, the EU's dependence on Russian gas will somehow change. Enough to feed these Ukrainians, it's time to build SP2. EU, in my opinion, will only be in the "plus" than to drive gas through the Ukrainians.
  49. koralvit
    koralvit 30 June 2016 16: 05
    0
    I fully agree with Mr. Groisman that diversification of gas supplies to Europe is needed, and therefore the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline needs to be built. As soon as the ukroskakuns are forgotten, as has happened more than once in previous years, turn off their GTS and send gas through Nord Stream-2. Russia must fulfill its obligations to Europe. And let the "great Ukrainians" heat with wood, they are now independent.
  50. darksoul
    darksoul 30 June 2016 16: 23
    0
    that Groysman was going to de-Russify? ........ so what is the primary source of Russian gas)))