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“Let's write a truthful history textbook?” (Part Two)

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“Attempts to give an“ objective ”assessment historical events encounter: 1) the lack of evidence that is recognized by all as established facts, 2) the class bias of the researcher. If we assume that after 1991, having destroyed the communist formation, Russia entered the progressive universal path of development, then the entire period of history from 1917 to 1991 it appears as a series of terrible crimes of a regime that was not subject to change. ”
(iouris)

Do not pay the harlot's fee and the price of the dog to the house of the Lord your God for no vow, for both are an abomination to the Lord your God.
(Deuteronomy 23: 18)
Reject from me the deceit of the mouth, and the cunning of the tongue, remove from yourself.
(Proverbs 4: 24)


So, last time we started writing our “truthful textbook” of the history of Russia and immediately faced a huge amount of difficulties, even though we did not get to the 1917 year. But now the second part has gone, and our children are older and smarter. Here is the reform of 1861 of the year ... What did she give? The number of weekends and holidays gradually increased, but labor itself was intensified, since non-economic or forceful methods of forced labor were replaced by economic, market ones. But feudal, not market, remnants remained: landlord and communal land ownership! What about people? People, as J. Orwell wrote about this, have been divided into clever, medium and stupid since the Upper Paleolithic. The task of the smart ones is to keep at the very top, of the middle ones - to shift the “higher ones” and take their place. And only the lower ones are doomed to hard work, because they are poorly socialized, and few know, because they do not visit historical archives.


You can study history in different ways. I’m just happy to have the opportunity to present to the VO readers the opportunity to look at the works of the Penza artist Igor Zeynalov, who "opens" the Soviet era through portraits of veterans made on ... documents from that era issued to them. First of all, these are diplomas, in which, probably, the whole "salt" of that era! If I had the opportunity, I would have designed the entire history textbook of Russia with his works in this manner. Young people, by the way, really like it. But ... it is unlikely that at least some publisher will do it. But you can see the works themselves. Here is the first job: “Questionnaire” - I remember such, they included the questions “Do you have relatives abroad?”, “Did your relatives serve in the White Guard formations?”

Did people understand that at the time? Yes, they understood, although they were expressed a little differently. Here is what the Penza Provincial News newspaper of 5 November 1905 wrote in the Russian Press article: “The colossal degeneration of the people's way of life that happened before our eyes cannot be accomplished without painful shocks, and therefore one should temper their aspirations ... Consciously treat the word “freedom”, because after the “manifesto” the word “freedom of the press” is understood in the sense of being able to swear without regard to the merits. We need more restraint, more understanding, and this requires the seriousness of the moment. ” Just like right now, right? The years go by, and we all have the same rake!

What about remnants? And they persisted. Stolypin had been killed. And the psychology of paternalism persisted (which, incidentally, was written remarkably by the writer Mamin-Sibiryak in the novel “The Humpback Bear”, who did not read — I advise!), And it persisted when the market (and he already was!) Demanded that it be abandoned. And what about V.I. Lenin, he saw it, understood? Yes, I saw and understood what his book “The Development of Capitalism in Russia” testifies to, where, on the basis of open statistical data, he proved that we no longer have a single peasantry. There are fist-usurers with cognitive dissonance from what they do, middle peasants are horrified by how the indestructible, but stubbornly pulling the strap collapses, and the poor who have “everything collapsed”: the economy, and brains, one vodka remained !

But the question is: did Lenin know about the “Pareto law” discovered in 1897, when in 1917 he proclaimed the toast of the socialist revolution in Russia? Anyway, 80% of property always belong to 20% of citizens, that is, even if you don’t break the social pyramid, you still can’t change this structure of it. Moreover, the top (elite) will sooner or later rot away in any way, and then its (higher) will be replaced by “medium” (with the help of lower ones), there will be “new medium”, “lower” something they will give, but more promise and ... everything will remain as it is! And if he didn’t know, he was a “big optimist”, but if he did, then ... everyone can continue on. But how can all this be stated in the textbook?


"Veteran of Penza football"

What did V.I. Lenin, being at the helm of state power? That's right - he passed the famous Land Decree, “realized the age-old dream of the peasantry”. But what is written in this decree? First, it is not a Bolshevik program, but an SR program. That is equal land use, the prohibition of wage labor and the sale and purchase of land. That is, decree canceled what attitude? Market! What relations do we have now? Market! And no one is going to change them! Are there remnants of feudal relations? There is! Registration

“Let's write a truthful history textbook?” (Part Two)

Here is the text of the decree of those years! What if it is also a fake, eh? As well as bronze helmets from ancient Attica. But there are few of them, and there are many such newspapers! Too much faking ...

But if so, then everything that the “market” is good, then everything that brings us back to the days of the Egyptian pharaohs (a similar form of land tenure was in their presence) and the peasant community is bad! The election of leadership at the plants, by the way, was also not carried out for long. It is clear that in the conditions of war the directors became appointees, but ... what kind of socialism is this, and how did the workers then influence the nature of production and participate in its management? Essentially - no way!

That is, what we habitually call the October Socialist Revolution actually represented ... a set of anti-market measures in agriculture in favor of the peasants of the middle peasants and the poor, so that they would support the new government. And in industrial production ... the establishment of state monopoly in the country. That is, we almost never had any socialism, but there was state capitalism, covered with a loud left-wing phrase. That's all! It is enough to count the amount of property in the hands of the state and private owners in the USSR over different years to make sure that the main goal of all that was done in the country was state capitalism.


"Soviet Edison"

And all the contradictions between the same United States and the USSR in the past, roughly speaking, boiled down to the competition of two models of economic management. They have a public-private model (50 on 50), we have a state model (90 on 10). It turned out that their model is more efficient, and from 1991, Russia switched to it. Moreover, it should be emphasized that nothing bad, as we all know and remember, was socially in the state capitalism. The working masses received free medicine (albeit not the best, but accessible to all), education (albeit little, “and only with us”, but again - accessible to everyone). And, most importantly - confidence in the future. And for whom is it important? For 80%, the remaining 20% is well managed with “insecurity”.

People were underpaid for their work, they didn’t allow themselves to get ’not donated by the state, that is, to earn extra money (although they tried, otherwise where would the nesuns come from - - you are the master, not the guest, take even a nail away!), But With the money from this “underpayment”, the state gave its citizens quite a lot. But here are the market forms of economic management ... almost not used!

And how to give all this in the textbook? To say this briefly? So, how is it written here? This is unlikely to suit those who grew up on the myths of socialism. Explain long and detailed with specific figures and examples? Is it necessary in a school textbook?


In the USSR, diplomas were also given for staying in the ranks of the CPSU. There was a decent time - here you have thick paper with beautiful patterns and inscriptions.

But this is the economy. What about politics? Oh, it's even more interesting, and here's why. The fact is that the young Soviet state immediately put itself in a very difficult position, having adopted the Marx-Engels theory as its political basis. That is, we immediately became the vanguard of the world revolution. Therefore, they had to support it, help revolutionaries of the whole world, that is, to carry out the ideas of Marx-Lenin specifically and at the same time build their statehood, their economy and implement the policy of national interests. And national interests very often come into sharp conflict with international ones!

The first such conflict happened already in 1918 and ended with the Brest Peace. “Shameful” from the point of view of “true” revolutionaries, but quite logical from the point of view of the primacy of state interests. The second such conflict, only in a more acute form, took place in 1939, when the USSR government signed a non-aggression pact with fascist Germany. From the point of view of geopolitics, where state interests are at the forefront, this is a completely normal agreement. From the point of view of the interests of the “world revolution”, this is their betrayal. That is why this agreement and everything that followed it is so ambiguously assessed so far.

And now let's look at the consequences, again from a geopolitical point of view. At first, the Munich agreements were de jure, then the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. And it was a normal policy for the then West. “West is West!” Then 17’s “Liberation March” de facto made the USSR an ally of Germany and sparked a stream of caricatures depicting Hitler and Stalin in the West, tied foot-to-foot with their symbols in their hands, and the corresponding content of the scripture. But what is the main reason for this presentation of information? Yes, the fact that the USSR, by doing so, placed its state interests above ideological ones, which would otherwise require us to wage war with Germany for "saving Polish workers and peasants from the horrors of fascism and Hitlerism." And we ... we did what the British and French did, that is, purely pragmatic! And it did not like it, of course. Indeed, from the point of view of Marxism, we predictably should have done quite differently.

But when 22 of June 1941 of the year, fascist Germany attacked the USSR, this was a shock for Western propaganda, and it had to immediately turn to 180 degrees. After all, the attack on her own “ally”, which she put to the USSR in front of the whole world, was always the gravest violation of all human norms and de facto and de jure. And precisely because of England and the USA we had to help us, that in this case ideology gave way to geopolitics and national and state interests. But we naturally had to pay for it. Than? The dissolution of the Comintern, that is, the actual rejection of the slogan "We are on the mountain all the bourgeois world fire blown up!" And now everything - the revolutionary pathos is over, Russia grew out of the Red Army Budyonnovka, put on earlier epaulets hated, and left the revolutionary rhetoric to celebrate November 1918 and honoring the veterans who personally saw V.I. Lenin.


I always feel sorry for people with such faces and piercing eyes into your soul. They are all heroes for their participation in that Great War! But ... where are the white shorts, the pool house and the rest in Mallorca in the chair with a motor? For some reason, “their” veterans have enough money for this. Also not at all, but at many. Among my familiar veterans, no one can afford it!

It seems to me that all of the above is obvious and, by the way, fits perfectly into the theory of Malthus (which was discussed in the first article), and is confirmed by historical evidence and data from economists. But as all this is again stated in the school textbook, I do not imagine very well. Or, let's say, on the contrary, I imagine very well, but I don’t know how far it will be possible to describe it, and, most importantly, to prove the truth of these statements to those involved in publishing educational literature. And I don’t want to work “on the table”.

In addition, there are a number of historical events for which, frankly, we simply have very little information. No archival data, I repeat! Perhaps we will tell about it in a future article. However, in any case, it seems that the difficulties of creating a new and “truthful” history textbook for the school have become obvious to everyone. And - most importantly, which of the visitors to the IN will take to overcome them?

PS And now look again at all these faces. Some of them probably “crumpled” the girl in the hayloft, and then shot a corner for a sheet with her in the hostel, others played football and “half a liter” on the “October” in the doorways, to warm up, rejoiced at the purchased closet and the flight of Gagarin, plowed the Golodnaya Steppe, invented new rotors and received certificates of honor, and when the silenok diminished, they unanimously condemned the youth for licentiousness (though not all?). Anyway, each of them had his own life, which he wanted to make happy. And each of them had their own history of our country! Your experience. And can the story of each of them lead to a common denominator? And again ... you can! But remember the "Pareto's law". This again will be the story of 20%, and not 80%, which will be the only thing left to resent once again that this new textbook of the story went "not the one"!
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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 6 July 2016 06: 43
    +10
    Well, the author proved that history is not a science, and a textbook is impossible. Then what do all those who masquerade as * scientists * and those who have * degrees * do?
    1. venaya
      venaya 6 July 2016 07: 17
      +9
      Scientists ??? Scientists are probably the ones who have taught something, that's just what. Hence the definition of "degree" - that is, to what extent they have finished their education, to the degree of candidate, doctor, member. kor or even academician. Honestly, some scientists are moving away from this crooked path of "boobies in the Polish preference" and start thinking on their own, but they try to punish such people quickly, they disappear, sometimes from life. The example with M. Lomonosov is clear - the Senate of the Republic of Ingushetia sentenced him to death for his own scientific research. So the powers that be did not tolerate any independence in scientific research, and even now they often do not.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 6 July 2016 15: 23
        +5
        Quote: venaya
        Scientists ??? Scientists are probably those who taught something, that's just what

        Now it’s true that the scientists are those who have taught something ... As one assistant professor or how there, who proved to Vladimir Volfovich that NATO was created in response to the organization of the Warsaw Treaty. All right, what kind of scientists and science.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 15: 33
          +1
          Quote: Fitter65
          then NATO was created in response to the organization of the Warsaw Pact

          seriously, was that?
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 6 July 2016 08: 56
      +16
      A wonderful article (and the illustrations are simply awesome!) Minus those for whom it is "mnogabukff", it is understandable. Then for whom to write school history books if there is no state ideology? But it is with her that everything begins.
      As for Soviet state capitalism under the Soviets, it is clearly not rolling. We did not have private property. The ratio 20x80, as common for all state systems, was invented by the liberals, and it is not supported by anything. In the USSR, the miner received as a republican minister, and the deputies worked where they were elected from and did not have any "vacations". The system needs to be changed.
      1. jjj
        jjj 6 July 2016 09: 20
        0
        According to the textbook, I share Starikov’s position. For the period up to 1917, you need to take a pre-revolutionary textbook
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 09: 26
          +12
          Quote: jjj
          For the period until 1917, you need to take a pre-revolutionary textbook

          and you think you will see the truth there !!!
          maybe they will write that the policy of Peter I led the country to economic ruin ?!
          or maybe that Pavel was not a stupid person, but a leader, or something good about Ivan the Terrible? !!
          No no and one more time no
        2. Stas57
          Stas57 6 July 2016 09: 30
          +8
          Quote: jjj
          According to the textbook, I share Starikov’s position. For the period up to 1917, you need to take a pre-revolutionary textbook

          if you find and read it, and then find and read various modern smart books that are not written for circulation, articles in smart magazines, monographs and reviews, then you will never begin to take this character seriously again.
        3. Gvas1174
          Gvas1174 6 July 2016 09: 33
          +8
          Well, Comrade Starikov, the personality is ambiguous. And personally, my trust in him was undermined in connection with his theses from the time of the Yanyk. It is worth exploring them in order to understand its strategy. He is a good manipulator of facts. And for this I would not trust his word.
          The basis of the textbook is to take monumental works, but they must also be processed taking into account errors that are revealed over time.
          Article plusanul, because this topic is relevant.
          I will not say that I fully support the author, because you can see some points either poorly studied by him, or intentionally simplified, but the work is worth praising
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 6 July 2016 22: 39
        +2
        siberalt

        I support you. And thanks to the author for raising the problem.

        It must be admitted that the USSR was more like a super corporation. Which is generally not bad. Since getting a job, any person is looking for social protection. And under the USSR, social protection and the predicted future were given already with the birth of a child.

        And to write a story, it may and should be brief, as was noted by the author. So it is perceived easier.

        And of course, it is clear that, for these reasons, a single textbook is critically impossible.
      3. ava09
        ava09 18 November 2016 02: 11
        0
        (c) A wonderful article (and the illustrations are simply awesome!) Minus those for whom it is "mnogabukff", it is understandable (c)
        Especially this indecency: (c) Do not pay the harlot and the price of a dog to the house of the Lord your God for any vow, for both are abominations to the Lord your God.
        (Deuteronomy 23:18) (c)
        This refers to the "second" and "Lord". Russians never needed a Master over themselves, especially a foreign one ... Yes, and they lived at stake, and who was at stake - Yurod (not at all a "good city madman).
    4. Mother CheeseEarth
      Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 11: 30
      -9
      Quote: Vasily50
      that history is not science

      In all normal countries, history is a science.
      But in the authoritarian it really is politics.
      Why? Yes, because almost any authoritarianism, as practice shows, is not viable without lies, because initially it is not a natural form of society today.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 11: 40
        +7
        Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
        Yes, because practically any authoritarianism, as practice shows, is not viable without lies

        that is, in Pindocia authoritarianism? !!!
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 16
          -8
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          that is, in Pindocia authoritarianism? !!!

          You want to say that they don’t teach children at school that Indians were killed in the United States, and Negroes were slaves ?! And who told you such nonsense ?! belay
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 20
            +7
            you said "authoritarianism, as practice shows, is not viable without lies"
            since in the USA they lie
            1. Mother CheeseEarth
              Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 42
              -2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Since they lie in the USA, then there is atoritism

              I asked a question, and I repeat again: there, children are not taught at school that Indians were killed in the United States, and blacks were slaves ?!
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 6 July 2016 13: 04
                +1
                The title of training materials on this topic can be given
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 13: 05
                +4
                Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
                I asked a question, and I repeat again:

                you are trying to divert the argument into a completely different topic,
                after all, initially I utterly talked about something completely different, and you understood this, why quickly they began to blabber and lead aside
                I think that the fact that the Negroes were slaves write there, but about the cause of the war of the north and the south there
              3. Palch
                Palch 7 July 2016 17: 29
                0
                It turns out that they don’t teach, since segregation from the USA exists now in one form or another. Recall a series of murders by black police, especially recently. And do not say that here they are - black-skinned such asocial elements and it is only possible with them !!!
          2. Darkness
            Darkness 6 July 2016 13: 03
            0
            And can the title of the textbook?
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 11: 41
        +3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        In all normal countries, history is a science.

        yes science, science, only extremely controversial and in some places extremely deceitful, and so science
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 July 2016 12: 37
        +9
        Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
        In all normal countries, history is science.

        - Well, the USA, in your opinion, is a normal country? It’s quite such a ... capitalist ...
        - just one example: in the USA it is taught that the USA won the Second World War, and the Union there so ... passed nearby

        Is this a science? This is pure brainwashing wink
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 52
          -10%
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Is this a science? This is pure brainwashing

          Flushing, this is only communist propaganda, denying the more than significant role of the United States and Great Britain in the Second World War.
          And the Second World War, in fact, is not only Africa and Europe (where the Allies, by the way, have fought since 1940), but also Japan. And World War II ended, by the way, officially with the US victory over Japan. And this was not disputed even in the USSR. wink
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 6 July 2016 14: 15
            +6
            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            And the Second World War ended, by the way, officially the US victory over Japan

            - a wonderful phrase! "It's over officially" ... and what? Plausible so wink

            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            US victory over Japan. And this was not even disputed in the USSR

            - yeah. Nevertheless, the Kwantung Army (1.5 million people, over 1000 tanks, about 2000 aircraft, etc.) was "broken" by the USSR.
            - The Americans, in their own style, tried not to dry the land especially not to climb. Already then, by the way. So that:

            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            Flushing, this is only communist propaganda

            - Nope. Not only. And history is politicized everywhere, each country and each ruling group rewrites it for themselves, as a rule.

            Voooot ...
            1. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer 6 July 2016 15: 52
              +1
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - yeah. Nevertheless, the Kwantung Army (1.5 million people, over 1000 tanks, about 2000 aircraft, etc.) was "broken" by the USSR.
              - The Americans, in their own style, tried not to dry the land especially not to climb. Already then, by the way. So that:


              You give the figures of the Kwantung Army not exactly - by 1941 there were not even a million people, and by 1945 the composition of combatant and rear units was less than 370 people.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 15: 58
                +3
                Quote: DimerVladimer
                and by 1945, the composition of combatant and rear units was less than 370.


                Kwantung Army 1931-45
                33 - 100 thousand people
                40 - 300 thousand
                41 - about 1 million
                45 - 1.4 million
                By August 1945, over 400 airfields and landing sites, 7,5 thousand km of railways and 22 thousand km of automobiles were built.
                A barracks fund was created to accommodate 1,5 million troops (70 divisions)
                1. DimerVladimer
                  DimerVladimer 6 July 2016 17: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Kwantung Army 1931-45
                  33 - 100 thousand people
                  40 - 300 thousand
                  41 - about 1 million
                  45 - 1.4 million
                  By August 1945, over 400 airfields and landing sites, 7,5 thousand km of railways and 22 thousand km of automobiles were built.
                  A barracks fund was created to accommodate 1,5 million troops (70 divisions)

                  Source please - just don’t say that from Wicca based on an article from the great Soviet encyclopedia!
                  I have other numbers

                  For example, there is such data:
                  When Japan declared war on the United States in December 1941, 1,32 million soldiers were concentrated in northeast China. As Japan abandoned plans to invade the USSR to support the German offensive and gradually became increasingly drawn into conflict with the United States in the Pacific, the most combat-ready units were withdrawn from the Kwantung Army. The result of these decisions of the Japanese command was a reduction in the size of the group to 600 thousand soldiers (11% of the 5,5 millionth Japanese army). And now, for the most part, these were not experienced, battle-hardened soldiers, but recruits, who had been transferred to Manchuria since the beginning of 1945, anticipating the imminent Soviet invasion. Most of the modern military equipment was also withdrawn from the Kwantung Army long before 1945.
                  Sources: The surrender of Japan and the myth of the Kwantung Army; Joett F. Japanese Army. 1931-1942 - M.: Publishing House ACT LLC: Astrel Publishing House LLC, 2003
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 17: 24
                    +4
                    Internet help you
                    the absurdity of your "figure" of 300 thousand shows the fact that more than 500 thousand Japanese were taken prisoner, that is, ours captured the entire Kwantung army, and even the Chinese were captured laughing
                    1. DimerVladimer
                      DimerVladimer 7 July 2016 10: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Internet help you
                      the absurdity of your "figure" of 300 thousand shows the fact that more than 500 thousand Japanese were taken prisoner, that is, ours captured the entire Kwantung army, and even the Chinese were captured


                      370000 is concentrated northward on the border with the USSR
                      Do you believe that no one fought with Chiang Kai-shek?
                      The forces of the Kwantung army were scattered throughout the vast territory of China and fought even before the Soviet attack on Japan.
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 6 July 2016 17: 59
                    +4
                    Quote: DimerVladimer
                    Sources: The surrender of Japan and the myth of the Kwantung Army; Joett F. Japanese Army. 1931-1942 - M.: Publishing House ACT LLC: Astrel Publishing House LLC, 2003

                    - and with the source, I guessed laughing
                    - The surrender of Japan and the myth of the Kwantung Army; Joett F. Astrel Publishing House LLC, 2003 - Do you really think that this source is more authoritative than "Vika based on an article in TSB"? Eh ...
                    1. DimerVladimer
                      DimerVladimer 7 July 2016 10: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      - and with the source, I guessed
                      - The surrender of Japan and the myth of the Kwantung Army; Jowett F. OOO "Astrel Publishing House", 2003 - Do you really think that this source is more authoritative than "Vika based on an article in TSB"? Eh ...


                      There is a third source - there is an intermediate figure between million and 600.
                      I believe that all three figures cannot be taken for granted, and even more so 1,5 million - this does not at all seem true.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 7 July 2016 10: 56
                        +1
                        300 even less like the truth
                      2. DimerVladimer
                        DimerVladimer 7 July 2016 15: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        300 even less like the truth


                        Like 1400000 bayonets - this is an example of what the differences in various sources on this topic.

                        Personally, this source inspires me more confidence:
                        http://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/1004952/11/Moschanskiy_Ilya_-_Zapad_-_Vost
                        ok.html
                        ... in Manchuria in August 1945 there were only about 290 tanks. The situation was no better in aviation. By August, 2 operational combat aircraft remained in aviation units throughout Manchuria (230nd Aviation Army), 175 of which were obsolete. The remaining 55 were modern fighters, bombers and reconnaissance aircraft ...

                        In January 1945, the formation of about 8 divisions and 4 separate mixed brigades, which lasted about two months, began. The personnel entered the formed units and formations from the broken units and available compounds located in other areas of China. However, the Kwantung Army used all available methods to provide personnel for units during the May-July 1945 three mobilization calls for military service, recruiting even physically weak, middle-aged civil servants, colonists and students. In July, 250 people were called up for military service, of which 000 were of the male civilian population of draft age. They were enlisted for military service in the transport and communications forces. As a result, the Kwantung Army “on paper” turned into the largest army in the history of Japan with a total number of personnel 780 000 people, which, according to Japanese data, were part of 12 brigades and 24 infantry divisions, 4 of which in June and July 1945 arrived from the Chinese theater of operations ...

                        ... In total, in July 1945, according to Soviet data, the Japanese forces of the Kwantung Army included 31 infantry divisions, 9 infantry brigades, "special forces" (suicide bombers) based near Mudanjiang, 2 tank brigades and 2 aviation armies (2nd Air Army - in Manchuria, 5th in Korea).
                        The Manchu troops (Manzhou Guo army) consisted of 2 infantry and 2 cavalry divisions, 12 infantry brigades and 4 separate cavalry regiments.

                        The Mongolian troops (Inner Mongolia) - the army of the Japanese protege Prince De Wan - consisted of 5 cavalry divisions and 2 separate cavalry brigades. The western province of Suyuan had its own army, consisting of 4–6 infantry divisions deployed in the Suiyuan, Kalgan area.
                        In addition, in Manchuria and Korea from the Japanese reservists-immigrants were formed armed units that have undergone military training. The total number of these units reached 100 people ...

                        It can be seen that the author worked with some documents and more or less the figure of 780000 people is similar to the truth.
                        Moreover, far from all these forces opposed the Soviet troops, someone had to hold the front with Chiang Kai-shek.
                2. Romans
                  Romans 6 July 2016 23: 29
                  +2
                  There is a book "Japan in the War" by Hattori Tokuhiro, and he quite clearly writes that the number of the Kwantung Army and other formations in the service of the Japanese was at least in the region of a million at the time of the 1945 operation of the Soviet army.
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 6 July 2016 17: 14
              +2
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              by 1941, there weren’t even a million people, and by 1945 the composition of the front and rear was less than 370 people.

              - digital, camping, from somewhere here:


              - name at least one reason why I should believe you, and not the same Vika, for example?
              - I am allergic to "myth debunkers", keep in mind wink

              Quote: DimerVladimer
              I have other numbers

              - Well, Duc, give a link to the source ... or stick these numbers for yourself ... by the scruff of the neck laughing
  2. VSkilled
    VSkilled 6 July 2016 17: 07
    +6
    Then what do all those who masquerade as * scientists * and those who have * degrees * do?

    They - stupidly parasitize, devouring the resources of the owner and poisoning his body with his feces.

    So - all parasites are arranged.

    Still, Grandfather Stalin was a noble troll when he decided to organize an Israeli.

    As a result, when our parasites "with degrees" began to come there they were forced ...
    (Oh god !!) ... work!

    And, as our parasites did not know how to do anything, the maximum that was entrusted to them is ... to remove the dog's "guano"!

    That was just another "universal cry"!

    "I - so laughed!" ©

    And yet - yes ... Today I learned that the word "Jew" is on this site - "forbidden".

    At the same time, officially, in the list of "prohibited" (!) - not being.

    Oh how ...

    Ah, you say that "conspiracy theory" is fiction ...
    1. VSkilled
      VSkilled 6 July 2016 17: 33
      +1
      And yet a curious "rating" of the article "on the main page", and ... actually.

      Oh, you say "true story" ...

      “On the go - tearing out the soles!” ©
      yyyy
  3. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 6 July 2016 17: 30
    +1
    The author proved only his bias and nihilism. Its purpose is to disorient the reader and convince of the absence of objective truths and values: everything, they say, is relative.
    In the context of Trotskyist revenge and dictatorship in education, culture, information policy, gentlemen Shpakovsky are actively being introduced even on patriotic sites. One can’t even talk about television, cinema, radio and newspapers.
  • 34 region
    34 region 6 July 2016 06: 46
    +15
    I do not agree with the opinion that the Western model is more effective than the Soviet one. The year 91-93 is a pure betrayal, not a result of efficiency. And having lived enough, after the 93rd, I do not see the results of the effectiveness of capitalism. Therefore, it is probably useless to speak of one history textbook with one interpretation of events. Judging by the recognition of the repressions of the peoples and the installation of the board to the Finnish neighbor, it is already clear what the history textbook will be.
    1. Gvas1174
      Gvas1174 6 July 2016 09: 37
      +3
      Our model, alas, did not undergo timely amendments in connection with the changing situation and realities, which was facilitated by the "pensioners" from the Central Committee.
      And therefore, everything went to dust, since the large-scale restructuring of the started humpback was initiated not by us, but by the Westerners, so we all saw him ...
    2. Mother CheeseEarth
      Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 11: 34
      -7
      Quote: Region 34
      I do not agree with the opinion that the Western model is more effective than the Soviet one.

      How peremptorily! How arrogant! Are you a famous economist ?!
      1. tatra
        tatra 6 July 2016 11: 39
        +1
        But are you a well-known economist, or, like most enemies of the Communists, do you have a mentally servile worship of the West? And none of the enemies of the Communists in the territory of the former USSR wanted the same system as in the West, did not want to live by the laws and regulations like in the West.
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 19
          0
          Quote: tatra
          enemies of the communists

          How long can you write "enemies of communism"? Look for enemies in almost every comment!
          If this worries you so much, gather where there are no "enemies of communism", to North Korea!
          1. tatra
            tatra 6 July 2016 12: 22
            +4
            So you will not be hysterical, but answer my questions. And learn to read, I am not writing "enemies of communism", but enemies of the communists.
            Or are you, from the end of the 80s slandering the Communists in order to justify your capture of the USSR, are the great friends of the Communists?
            1. Mother CheeseEarth
              Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 45
              -7
              Quote: tatra
              answer my questions.

              I have already answered you everything - "welcome to North Korea" - forever!
              (there’s no Internet there, you don’t bother normal people there)
              1. tatra
                tatra 6 July 2016 13: 00
                +5
                What are you all, enemies of the communists, primitive and limited.
                From one after another and after your puppeteers, from the late 80s, repeat your anti-Soviet myths and cliches.
                1. DimerVladimer
                  DimerVladimer 6 July 2016 15: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: tatra
                  What are you all, enemies of the communists, primitive and limited.
                  From one after another and after your puppeteers, from the late 80s, repeat your anti-Soviet myths and cliches.


                  What are you stubborn - even the collapse of the empire did not teach you anything ...
                  And your cliches: puppeteers, enemies of the Communists - nothing changes.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 13: 05
                +2
                that is, you cannot answer direct questions and quickly switch to "lynching blacks"
          2. atakan
            atakan 6 July 2016 12: 44
            +2
            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            If this worries you so much, gather where there are no "enemies of communism"

            These are your problems, so go away to .. Canada.
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 50
            +3
            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            In almost every commentary, look for enemies!

            and why look for you, you yourself will be found
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 11: 41
        +2
        Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
        Are you a famous economist ?!

        and you?!
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 20
          -7
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          and you?!

          And initially I didn’t ask you at all.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 50
            +2
            and I asked you
            you want exclusively dialogue, in PM, but here, sorry, anyone can wedge into a dispute
            1. Mother CheeseEarth
              Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 53
              -3
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and I asked you

              But I am not you, therefore, pass by and do not flood.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 14: 27
                +3
                Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
                do not flood.

                Flood (from incorrectly spoken English. flood - stream) - non-thematic messages in online forums and chats, often taking up large volumes
                I asked a question on the topic, what is the flood?
  • free
    free 6 July 2016 07: 09
    +8
    It turned out that their model is more effective, and since 1991 Russia switched to it.

    lying! no effect is visible! and the artist is your berry field alone with you!
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 6 July 2016 10: 33
      +1
      Well, here everything is just logical, only you did not understand for WHO more efficiently.
  • Cartalon
    Cartalon 6 July 2016 07: 27
    -1
    Sumptuously
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 6 July 2016 07: 51
    +15
    Vyacheslav, I have the impression that you yourself cannot decide on your own worldview and outlook on history, despite the fact that this is your profession. Tell me, a former student of history, why stuff EVERYTHING into a textbook? In any case, you cannot grasp the immensity, most of the information is simply not needed in the general course of history, it will be redundant and should go on the list of recommended literature for self-education and in-depth study of the topic. Otherwise, it will all be just "information noise".
    And somehow the phrase about "scanty education" was scratched. Do you consider your education scanty? Me not. It's just that life turned out differently, thanks to your so much praised transition to the "American model" of capitalism, when everything that I learned became unnecessary and unpaid at one point. I had to look for myself in other areas of activity.
    If you successfully teach, as I understand it, then it is unlikely that your education was short. But basic knowledge without additional self-education will not give the desired effect.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 6 July 2016 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      Vyacheslav, I have the impression that you yourself can’t decide on your own worldview and outlook on history, despite the fact that this is your profession

      But Vyacheslav, I venture to suggest, like many here on the site, including myself, that I understand the changes that have occurred and accepts them in some part, because this is an objective reality that cannot be avoided, but with my heart and feelings, like a person brought up in other realities, can’t put up with it. In general, tear up, and leave, like Comrade Bender does not want to cross the Romanian border lol "White acacia, flowers of emigration ..."
  • atos_kin
    atos_kin 6 July 2016 08: 00
    +7
    It is because of people like the author of superficial speculators who "swung at William, our Shakespeare" (c), and it is impossible to write a true history textbook. In the textbook, it is desirable to tell WHAT happened in the old days and in what sequence, and not to argue WHY, relying on different "Wishlist" and "Yatakdumki".
  • parusnik
    parusnik 6 July 2016 08: 09
    +5
    A history book should be written by a team of authors .. But not one or two ...
    1. tacet
      tacet 6 July 2016 13: 38
      +2
      And it will look something like this: "Once a Swan, Cancer and Pike ..."
  • Riv
    Riv 6 July 2016 08: 17
    +13
    Now the technofascist will get to the bottom of words again. Although the article already has something to dig into (for example, distilled nonsense is written about the dissolution of the Comintern), today we have something else to do with it.

    "... they know a little ..." In fact, even if everyone in a crowd goes to the archives and begins to study diligently there, there won't be much sense. It is not enough to fill your head with facts. We must also understand the relationship of these facts with historical reality and correctly assess the role of the individual. Without this, any training is a waste of time. At one time in the USSR, dialectics was studied in universities as a method of understanding the relationship of events.

    Therefore, in my opinion, one cannot do without teaching logic in schools. Today's youth simply does not know how to coherently express their thoughts precisely because of the inability to build logical chains. God bless her, with vocabulary, but sometimes you read the text of an article, or a comment - a patient at the hospital. Kashchenko would write more coherently and convincingly. Actually, therefore, I am not against teaching the Law of God in schools. At least some kind of replacement for logic.
    1. Mother CheeseEarth
      Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 11: 48
      -6
      Quote: Riv
      Therefore, in my opinion, one cannot do without teaching logic in schools.

      What for? 80% of graduates of these schools will turn nuts and sell underpants in the store.
      Why do they need logic? They and the fact that today in schools they teach more than a lot and a lot of things are stupidly not necessary and not interesting.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 24
        +1
        Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
        Why do they need logic? They and the fact that today in schools they teach more than a lot and a lot of things are stupidly not necessary and not interesting.

        Forgive me, this is not an insult, it is a statement of fact that a schoolboy or a schoolboy can say that there are necessary or not necessary school subjects, because he still does not have experience of life, he doesn’t need certain knowledge (he himself was), but if this is stated by an adult, then he is definitely more like knowledge was not useful to him
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 14
          -2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          either a student can declare that there are necessary or unnecessary school subjects

          Oh, okay! Well, let’s explain why the future "panties seller" needs chemistry lessons at school? He still won't understand and remember chemistry, even at the level of the school curriculum.
          Yes, even I do not remember her, because then I was not interested, but now I just do not need it.
          PS And yes, now is not the 70s, now is the 21st century and everything is on the internet! And any person who has not learned chemistry or geography at school, today can safely and at home do it via the Internet, if he becomes interested. Catch the logic ?!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 13: 46
            +1
            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            He will not understand and remember chemistry anyway, even at the level of the school curriculum.

            It’s pointless to explain, but still I’ll try, the first variety of knowledge trains the brain and teaches to absorb knowledge, I did not finish physical education when I thought that biology would be useful, but it would be useful, and physics and mathematics in simple life are the same
    2. pimen
      pimen 6 July 2016 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      God bless her, with vocabulary, but sometimes you read the text of an article, or a comment - a patient at the hospital. Kashchenko would write more coherently and convincingly. Actually, therefore, I am not against teaching the Law of God in schools. At least some kind of replacement for logic.

      "I believe, because it is insane (absurd?)"
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 6 July 2016 08: 26
    +5
    It turned out that their model is more effective, and since 1991 Russia switched to it.

    Allow, Vyacheslav, to disagree with you. Not the model of the West turned out to be more effective, the country's leadership was ineffective. And the invasion of Western ideology is fatal to Russia.
    And for the wonderful portraits of Zeynalov - thanks, I have never seen it before.
  • Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 6 July 2016 08: 26
    +5
    You can’t reveal a lot in the comments. An article must be written, but there is no time. I believe that the author has a disease of the intelligentsia - he considers himself smart (but in fact he is just an ordinary person, with his own strengths and weaknesses). In fact, the author simply BELIEVES in the Western way of life. This is his FAITH. In Russian, in human terms, you need to feel sorry for him, he is some kind of restless, everything is always bad with us. But I don’t feel sorry for him, other feelings rise, as if I touched something vile, unworthy. Just muddies the water.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 6 July 2016 16: 38
      +1
      Quote: Sarmat149
      You can’t reveal a lot in the comments. An article must be written, but there is no time. I believe that the author has a disease of the intelligentsia - he considers himself smart (but in fact he is just an ordinary person, with his own strengths and weaknesses). In fact, the author simply BELIEVES in the Western way of life. This is his FAITH. In Russian, in human terms, you need to feel sorry for him, he is some kind of restless, everything is always bad with us. But I don’t feel sorry for him, other feelings rise, as if I touched something vile, unworthy. Just muddies the water.


      And what's wrong with the western way of life?
      They raise children, care about their daily bread, about education, work more, earn more, have more rights, have more opportunities - normal people (not counting politicians).
      And the neighboring country is restless - for the stupid population it SHREAMS THAT ENEMIES AROUND (to calm down the robbed people), but they themselves sell resources, oil, gas and buy up real estate to "ROUND ENEMIES", keeps bank accounts ... normal hucksters in Russia are in power ...
      And the stupid people are always dissatisfied that they would turn their discontent to neighboring countries and throw the slogan _ THE ENEMIES OF THE ENEMIES - the most stupid ones supported him - there is enough clicky.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 16: 45
        0
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        about education

        hee hee
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 July 2016 16: 53
        +1
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        SCREAM THAT AROUND THE ENEMIES

        - who is this "yelling", I wonder?

        Quote: DimerVladimer
        but yourself sell TO "ROUND ENEMIES" resources, oil, gas and is buying up the property, holds bank accounts ... normal hucksters in power in Russia

        - what a mess in your head ... thick, rich good
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 16: 59
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          thick, rich

          and people are not greedy with all this porridge shared
      3. Rivares
        Rivares 6 July 2016 19: 41
        +2
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        And what's wrong with the western way of life?
        They raise children, care about their daily bread, about education, work more, earn more, have more rights, have more opportunities - normal people (not counting politicians).
        And the neighboring country is restless - for a stupid population SCREAMS THAT AROUND THE ENEMIES (that would reassure the stolen people),

        As I understand it by a Western country, you cited Ukraine as an example?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 19: 46
          +2
          Quote: Rivares
          you cited Ukraine as an example?

          thin hi
  • Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 6 July 2016 08: 40
    +2
    An interesting look at the history of Vyacheslav Shpakovsky.
    I will try to answer the question at the end of the article as follows: a history textbook should not be written by the regulars of the VO, but by historians who love their homeland. It is the lovers who will become a kind of "filter" for deviations both to the right and to the left.
  • pimen
    pimen 6 July 2016 08: 44
    0
    Yes, you read it, and your hands drop. And no gap without religion is not even supposed
  • skeptic
    skeptic 6 July 2016 08: 45
    +5
    Young and cheese author ...
    Wanders, knowing little and seeing little ...
    A single History Textbook is needed.
    Without this, a new generation cannot be raised.
    But I do not believe in his appearance.
    So many lies and false premises and definitions have been driven into the brains of "scientists-historians" ...
    Starting, for example, with "revolution" and "perestroika".
    After all, objectively, it’s just-the coups in Russia carried out
    one group in order to seize the power and wealth of Russia.
    Hence the slander of the great history of Russia, its figures and their deeds.
    Young people today are blank sheets, on which all and sundry are dirty.
    The product of a disregard for the authorities.
    Urkaina is a good example of the manipulation of the Russian consciousness ...
    Camo coming?
    Huh?
    1. Riv
      Riv 6 July 2016 10: 46
      +3
      Yoda teacher ???
      1. Mother CheeseEarth
        Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 11: 55
        -3
        Quote: Riv
        Yoda teacher ???

        And I liked it! laughing
  • skeptic
    skeptic 6 July 2016 08: 46
    +2
    Really - thanks for the Portraits !!!
    Simple - Opening!
    Thank you!
  • Darkness
    Darkness 6 July 2016 08: 59
    +5
    That's interesting, but what about the situation in America? Is there a history of conquests, the genocide of the Indians, slavery, etc.?
    Maybe we should stop scourging ourselves?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 09: 16
      +6
      Quote: Darkness
      That's interesting, but what about the situation in America?

      just like everywhere else - LIE
      to the hell of the Indians there still (though like ours) many believe that the civil war of the north and south was fought to free the blacks from slavery
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 6 July 2016 09: 35
        0
        But!
        You can lie in different ways)))
        It is possible for good, but it can be harmful.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 6 July 2016 10: 03
          +9
          Quote: Darkness
          But!
          You can lie in different ways)))
          It is possible for good, but it can be harmful.

          In the mid-90s, I had a chance to talk to one American, like a smart person, an oncologist, a higher education, in the USSR, he took a residency, that is, there was no language barrier, and when the conversation turned to "Desert Storm", I , as a man of Soviet international education. I told him "well, how are you an intelligent person can support open intervention" he answered me something like the following (a lot of time has passed for accuracy, I can not vouch) "a gallon of gasoline costs 1 dollar, and then some kind of creepy unwashed Arab tells us that we will buy this gallon for $ 2. Naturally, we (the Americans) were indignant and said George (President Bush) how so, why gasoline is $ 2 when it costs 2. George said - Oh, kay! He sent troops and we buy gasoline for $ 1. "And they don't care about all the blacks, Indians, Chinese and Russians, the main thing is that" it is not soft and the belly is full and they are all universal patriots of their country on this basis and history is so as long as a well-fed existence was provided for them. what kind of patriotism is a better-fed belly, how liberals are strenuously imposing on us, or patriotism on the basis of pride for the country, for the Motherland, for its achievements from the knowledge of history, as it was in the USSR.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 10: 29
            +4
            Quote: Captain45
            the main thing is that it shouldn't be soft and the belly is full and they are all universal patriots of their country on this basis and history they should be as long as only they were provided with a well-fed existence

            but if ... it’s not soft, and the belly turns out to be hungry, how will they start to relate to the country?
            1. Mother CheeseEarth
              Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 02
              -4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              how they start to relate to the country

              It is important not how people relate to their state, but how the state relates to their people, because people's attitude to the state is always a consequence of the state’s attitude to people!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 25
                +1
                Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
                It is important not how people relate to their state, but how the state relates to their people, because people's attitude to the state is always a consequence of the state’s attitude to people!

                that is, your attitude to the mother is secondary, and not primary ?!
                if the mother, due to objective circumstances, could not buy you a game console, you have the right not to love her? !!
                everything is so extremely interesting how old are you
                1. Mother CheeseEarth
                  Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  that is, your attitude to the mother is secondary, not primary

                  Are you a healthy person? What does a living, native mother have to do with an abstract, inanimate state? In what kind of inflamed brains are such associations only born ?!
                  PS And yes, when men grow up, they usually leave their mothers to live with other women. Catch the logic?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 13: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
                    And yes, when men grow up, they usually leave their mothers to live with other women. Catch the logic?

                    iiii
                    forget and leave?
                    Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
                    Are you a healthy person? What does a living, native mother have to do with an abstract, inanimate state?

                    pointless to argue with the body about the Motherland
          2. Mother CheeseEarth
            Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 01
            -1
            Quote: Captain45
            A gallon of gasoline costs $ 1, and then some kind of unwashed Arab tells us that we will buy this gallon for $ 2. Naturally, we (the Americans) were indignant and told George (President Bush) how so, why gasoline is $ 2, when he is worth 2

            Cool!
            But it’s not even his position that amuses me, but yours.
            In your opinion, you can sell him "exorbitantly" because he is an Arab, but Americans cannot want to buy cheaper, because they are Americans? laughing
    2. Mother CheeseEarth
      Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 11: 57
      0
      Quote: Darkness
      That's interesting, but what about the situation in America? Is there a history of conquests, the genocide of the Indians, slavery, etc.?

      Unconditionally disclosed!
      If you don't believe me, you can ask about social guarantees and benefits for the "oppressed strata of the population." For example, about quotas "for colored people" when applying for a job.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 26
        0
        Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
        Unconditionally disclosed!

        What is the cause of the civil war of the north and south ?!
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 21
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          What is the cause of the civil war of the north and south ?!

          And you go to Wikipedia and read the article "Background of the American Civil War."
          It's almost copy of a similar English-language articleand almost all the "notes and literature" below are the work of American historians.
          From which it follows the completely logical conclusion that if almost everything that you know about US history is translations of American historians, then why do you suddenly think that they know less about your history ?! belay
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 13: 49
            0
            Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
            And you go to Wikipedia and read the article "Background of the American Civil War"

            I asked you a question, well, to hell with you I read the wiki
            "The main reason for the civil war in the United States was not slavery and the desire of the southern states to extend it to the northern states against the wishes of the latter." stupidity and lies from the first to the last line, slavery generally had nothing to do with this war
  • kmv 77
    kmv 77 6 July 2016 09: 18
    -1
    Under "their" system, everything was earned by generations from father to son, etc., and from us it was stolen almost instantly in several years.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 6 July 2016 09: 25
    +6
    I read yesterday's article by Vyacheslav, today's one, comments. How many people have so many opinions. I myself am from the USSR, I was brought up and educated in Soviet times, I also swore the oath of the USSR when I was recruited to the SA and when I entered the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so the impression from the material I read was twofold. Yesterday I did not comment because the article mostly dealt with the political side of history, but today it mainly touched upon the economic side of history, so to speak, the basis. But according to V. I. Lenin, "politics is a concentrated expression of economics" . "(c) to / f" Don't go crazy, d @ cancer .. ", so the conclusions of the authors are clear to me from a pragmatic anguish of view. Moreover, the country's leadership, represented by the President, declared that we have a liberal economy , we are integrated into the world economy (thanks to the Gaidar-Chubais am ), that is, there will be no return to socialism and all social plushies, but it is said that the state is socially responsible, i.e. some kind of social minimum, a pension will be provided, and then again some kind of "International" turns out: "We will achieve ... with your own hand, "that is, work, earn, provide for yourself, your family, as you can, as it turns out, since this is not prohibited if it is within the framework of the law. So from the point of view of pragmatics, all this is correct, but in the soul, in the heart "Yes, I do not agree! - Let me ask you with whom, with Engels or with Kautsky?" Yes, with both! "(C)" Heart of a Dog " pension, but here's the USSR ... it's ... it's ... Or maybe it's just nostalgia for youth, when the trees were big? Yes, on the general topic of articles, a general history textbook is needed, but without ideological distortions like "in a single burst Soviet people". And if they write about the "bloody Stalinist repressions", then not about 100500 million, but specifically, there are statistics, and do not forget to mention that it helped to unite society before the war, which even Adolf Aloizievich admitted, noting that if he had shot his generals before the war, like Stalin, he would not have suffered defeat. And if they write about an unprecedented rise in industry in Ingushetia in the early 1900s, then they should also mention whose money this rise was carried out, where and from whom they took loans, to whom and how much RI owed before WWI.
  • tatra
    tatra 6 July 2016 09: 30
    -1
    It is immediately obvious that the articles were written by the enemy of the Communists. The enemies of the Communists on the territory of the USSR have low intellect, low-grade parasitic consumerism, slavish worship of the West. No honesty and objectivity has ever been and never will be.
    And if the enemies of the Communists insist so insistently that the USA and England helped the USSR to fight the Hitler coalition, then the USA and England have no right to be considered among the winners in World War II.
    They are just "helpers" of the USSR.
    1. Mother CheeseEarth
      Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 04
      0
      Quote: tatra
      enemy of the communists

      And I have a question.
      And communism "where is this" ?! In which countries of the world was communism built in real life so that it could have enemies?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 27
        0
        once again you proved your stupidity
      2. tatra
        tatra 6 July 2016 12: 27
        0
        Ha, what are you so inadequate. I am not writing "communism", but about the communists, and you are their enemies.
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 22
          -3
          Quote: tatra
          I am not writing "communism", but about communists

          Ooooooooo, that is, in your brain "communism" and "communists" is something unrelated to itself ?! belay
          1. Kurasava
            Kurasava 6 July 2016 15: 39
            0
            Listen to no connections at all in your brain. fellow
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    2. Rivares
      Rivares 6 July 2016 20: 01
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      It is immediately obvious that the articles were written by the enemy of the Communists. The enemies of the Communists in the USSR have low intelligence

      Why are you talking about the enemies of the Communists, the Communists of the USSR have ruined and sold, the Communists have massacred people, the Communists have ruined the Russian Empire, the sad resolution of Communist Stalin on Communist Khrushchev - get rid of the idiot - also communist affairs. The Communist Eihe is still a model of philanthropy. For you, people's love.
      1. tatra
        tatra 6 July 2016 20: 17
        0
        Lying . and you, the enemies of the Communists, have ruined Soviet Russia and the USSR, and you have slandered them from the late 80s, starting with Gorbachev, just for the sake of justifying your capture of the USSR with the goal of large-scale looting of what the Communists and their supporters created.
        You yourself are only capable of destroying, destroying, parasitizing due to the labor of others and exporting natural resources, and robbing the country and people.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 20: 57
          -1
          Quote: tatra
          Lying . and Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union you ruined the enemies of the Communists

          Well, you’ve already had enough, EBN was still a communist
          1. tatra
            tatra 6 July 2016 21: 05
            +1
            Well, you are there too. As soon as Gorbachev, through lies, hypocrisy, seized power in the USSR and launched anti-Soviet propaganda, it immediately became clear who the true communist was, by conviction, and who climbed into the CPSU for the sake of profit.
            What can be called the communist Yeltsin, who forbade the CPSU to give Russia and the Russian people to the enemies of the communists for robbery and destruction?
            Perhaps the traitor of Vlasov is just as much a communist to you as those who defended the USSR and the Soviet people from the Nazis?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 21: 12
              0
              Quote: tatra
              and who climbed into the Communist Party for the sake of profit
              I don’t argue there were many of them, but nevertheless they were members of the CPSU, moreover, neither ideological communists nor Komsomol members (including myself, for which I am ashamed now, despite the fact that we were divorced as suckers) in defense of the Country and the Communist Parties did not stand up, which means it’s not bitter but the Communists, and not only the adherents, are responsible for the death of the USSR
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 21: 15
              0
              Quote: tatra
              Perhaps the traitor of Vlasov is just as much a communist to you as those who defended the USSR and the Soviet people from the Nazis?

              do not you think that you are going over the edge?
  • Captain45
    Captain45 6 July 2016 09: 43
    +3
    Yes, on the topic of the RI debts, there is an interesting book by gendarme general A.D. Nechvolodov "From ruin to prosperity", published in 1906 by the printing house of the Guard and the St. Petersburg Military District, everything is written there, Count Artemy Cherep-Spiridovich "Secret World Government" was published in In 1925, in New York, who ruled Russia at that time, was also a tsarist general, and these generals possessed the situation and information better than today's historians.
    1. Mother CheeseEarth
      Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 05
      -2
      Quote: Captain45
      , Count Artemiy Cherep-Spiridovich "Secret World Government"

      Everything is clear, you can not read!
  • Mengad
    Mengad 6 July 2016 09: 56
    +3
    Quote: parusnik
    A history book should be written by a team of authors .. But not one or two ...

    Not even the authors, the author is an interested person, but independent scientists from different fields of science, be it archeology, mathematics, philosophy, astronomy
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 10: 31
      -1
      Quote: Mengad
      independent scholars

      hee hee
  • 505506
    505506 6 July 2016 10: 32
    0
    History textbooks should state facts, and not deal with their interpretation. Interpretation will always be for the sake of any ideas. But leaving the country without ideology is to destroy it. Here is such a vicious circle, however.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 10: 37
      +2
      Quote: 505506
      History textbooks should state facts, and not deal with their interpretation.

      controversial issue
      that is, do you think that a history teacher describing events in Buchenwald or Auschwitz, in Leningrad or Stalingrad should give statistics on the dead without emotion ?!
      and the facts themselves are complex and not one-sided thing
      1. 505506
        505506 6 July 2016 10: 51
        +2
        Yes, of course I don’t think so. What I wrote about in a post. It is impossible without ideology. But ideology can distort any fact.
      2. cdznjckfd
        cdznjckfd 6 July 2016 15: 37
        -2
        ! Less Prohibited Tricks
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 15: 39
          +1
          Quote: cdznjckfd
          Less Prohibited Tricks

          which ones and who banned them? !!!
  • Mother CheeseEarth
    Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 10: 54
    -5
    Firstly, this is not a Bolshevik, but a Socialist-Revolutionary program.

    Well, to be honest, the Bolsheviks had no program at all. More precisely, it was, but not the program, but the goal, the seizure and retention of power at all costs.
    This was the main thing in the content of Bolshevism, everything else, easily changeable form.
    Yes, Ulyanov personally wrote and said that the "program" is garbage, the main thing for a revolutionary is to act on the basis of the "tasks of the day." In modern parlance, this is called populism.
    And practically nothing of the promised Bolsheviks naturally did not fulfill.
    it was precisely state capitalism.

    It is possible to say so and make little mistake.
    But for a complete understanding of the picture, one must always remember who were the Bolsheviks (and other "revolutionaries" as well) and Ulyanov personally?
    And they were engaged in economic terrorism (expropriation) and were VERY RICH by people.
    There is no exact data on Ulyanov’s well-being (and where will they come from if he was the de facto leader of the mafia, all accounts of which were secret and even the leadership didn’t know the exact turnover), but indirect evidence indicates that he was not much different from his disgraced in his well-being contemporary of Berezovsky.
    And now, having understood this, state capitalism in the USSR immediately becomes even clearer. Ulyanov already had money, and having made a "coup" he, in addition to "more money", also received unlimited power.
    He only cared about his own benefits, driving on Rolls-Royce, accompanied by guards in the country he destroyed.
    And the "proletarian revolution" is so, a means of achieving the goals set by him, above all personal enrichment and greater power.
    “Shameful” from the point of view of “true” revolutionaries, but completely logical from the point of view of the primacy of state interests.

    Brest peace is a shame from any point of view! But the Bolsheviks needed to work out the German money, and they did not spin, and they did, there was no choice.
    Meanwhile, RI initially emerged from the war not only as a winner, but also the least affected of all the warring countries!
    1. tatra
      tatra 6 July 2016 11: 02
      -1
      That is, you, the enemies of the communists, all who believe that it was necessary to withdraw the USSR from the Afghan war, surrender the USSR to its Cold War enemy, the United States, which seized the republics of the USSR and turned them into beggars, backward, dying out raw materials appendages and sales markets, which proved that What do you DON'T CARE that after you seized the republics of the USSR in them the mortality rate of the peoples increased sharply, by 20-40%, seriously think that you have at least some right to criticize the communists and accuse them of something?
      On what basis?
      1. Mother CheeseEarth
        Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 08
        -2
        Quote: tatra
        On what basis?

        On what basis do you "communists" decide what is good for Russia and the Russian people and what is not ?!
        You are absolutely alien people for Russian culture, why are you going to Russian people and teaching them how to live ?!
        You have your own country, called North Korea. So let's go there and live there and do not bother us Russian live!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
          You are absolutely alien people for Russian culture, why are you going to Russian people and teaching them how to live ?!

          One stupidity, by the way, are you sitting in nete through a proxy or are you really sitting in France?
          1. Mother CheeseEarth
            Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 23
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            By the way, are you in nete sitting through a proxy or are you really sitting in France?

            Who are you and for what purpose are you interested in?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 13: 51
              0
              why skerry?
              is there anything to fear?
              I just asked a question, well, it’s interesting to me that in this reprehensible, it’s rash and say I'm afraid, no, answer the directly posed question
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        3. tatra
          tatra 6 July 2016 12: 37
          -2
          This is your whole mentality, the enemies of the Communists.
          You ALWAYS justify yourself by the manic criticism of others.
      2. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 6 July 2016 16: 48
        +1
        Quote: tatra
        oh there are you, enemies of the communists, all who believe that it was necessary to withdraw the USSR from the Afghan war, surrender the USSR to its Cold War enemy, the United States, which captured the republics of the USSR and turned them into beggars, backward, dying out raw materials appendages and sales markets, What do you DON'T CARE that after you seized the republics of the USSR in them the mortality rate of peoples increased sharply by 20-40%, seriously think that you have at least some right to criticize the communists and accuse them of something?
        On what basis?


        On the grounds that you communists alone have arrogated to yourself the right to decide whose only right opinion was communist and wrong
        Or, as it is now, Putin’s opinion is wrong ...
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 16: 55
          0
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          On the grounds that you Communists have solely appropriated the right to decide whose only right opinion

          is communism in the USA?
        2. tatra
          tatra 6 July 2016 20: 22
          0
          Well, again, stupid criticism. Again, a cowardly answer on the principle of "myself". You, enemies of the communists, have not grown up to debate, neither in mentality nor in intellect.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 21: 18
            0
            Quote: tatra
            You, the enemies of the Communists, have not grown to discussions, either mentally or intellectually.

            this is already superfluous, sorry, but Churchill can be called anyone, but not an idiot, but he certainly did not feel love for the Communists.
            in addition, after such an opus, I begin to doubt your intellect, consider people stupid only because they are your ideological opponents the height of stupidity
            1. tatra
              tatra 6 July 2016 21: 29
              -1
              They wrote some nonsense. I do not communicate with Churchill, but with the enemies of the Communists who seized the USSR, and for the sake of justifying this, from the late 80s they slandered the Communists.
              The enemies of the Communists on the territory of the USSR are radically different in mentality, intelligence, and work, not only from Soviet people, but also from Westerners.
              They are similar to people in the West only in deceitful, slanderous, hypocritical anti-Soviet / anti-communist propaganda, in that they are all the same facts that they expose for "crimes of communism", in all other cases they justify or "do not notice."
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 21: 39
                0
                Quote: tatra
                They wrote some stupidity

                something all of you are stupid
                understand the adversary of communism is not necessarily stupid, let alone the enemy be considered an idiot the top of shortsightedness
                1. tatra
                  tatra 6 July 2016 21: 46
                  -1
                  You are a cheap demagogue. Good luck .
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 22: 00
                    0
                    and the arguments will be?
                    I read your comments carefully and realized that I asked in vain about the arguments, such as you are the main enemies
  • Mengad
    Mengad 6 July 2016 10: 59
    +1
    Quote: lukmag
    The old man is still a historian! And his opinion is worth a lot. Ha ha ha.

    Yes, I also began to look at him differently, after when he said that the Old Believers is a project ... of the West laughing
  • Igor V
    Igor V 6 July 2016 11: 03
    +2
    The basis of capitalism is profit. Who made a profit from a huge country - leaders? But from Krupskaya remained patched shoes and sealed pots, not a single pair of cups. Stalin was buried in a darned tunic. Where is the profit, where is capitalism?
    To understand the state of society before 1917, read Maxim Gorky's "The Life of Klim Samgin", after 1917 - materials for the rescue of Chelyuskin residents. For example, "How we saved the Chelyuskinites". After reading and studying these materials, one can draw conclusions, otherwise the author runs the risk of being known as a narrow-minded person. It's bad when the reader knows much more about the topic than the writer. And the reader is not to blame for this. It is necessary to be more careful (c).
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 6 July 2016 11: 23
      +3
      Now many advanced analysts in their works discard one of the main characters in history - the people. It doesn't seem to exist. Boris Lavrenev's father, a teacher, remarkably said: "If you see that the country is on the edge of the abyss, be with the people. The people will not let the country fall into the abyss." (I quote from memory, do not scold) To truly understand the processes of history, it is simply necessary to study the mood and actions of the people. Otherwise, it turns out that the workers in the USSR did not work, but "dragged every nail from the factory." Careful with the folklore.
    2. Mother CheeseEarth
      Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 10
      -8
      Quote: Igor V
      Stalin was buried in a darned tunic.

      I nearly vomited. Maybe he also had no soap ?! How can you not take care of yourself!
      He was the head of state, and not a homeless station! belay
      1. pimen
        pimen 6 July 2016 12: 27
        0
        Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
        Quote: Igor V
        Stalin was buried in a darned tunic.

        I nearly vomited. Maybe he also had no soap ?! How can you not take care of yourself!
        He was the head of state, and not a homeless station! belay

        You shouldn’t be so. Obviously, Stalin was larger than Peter
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 25
          +1
          Quote: pimen
          Obviously, Stalin was larger than Peter

          Yes, the 20th century was generally larger than the 18th!
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
        Almost vomited

        would you not go
        1. Mother CheeseEarth
          Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 26
          -1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          would you not go

          where do you all go, as I said, to "North Korea".
          Well, or to Cuba.
          (I don’t care at all, the Internet is not there either)
      3. Igor V
        Igor V 6 July 2016 18: 27
        0
        Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
        Quote: Igor V
        Stalin was buried in a darned tunic.

        I nearly vomited. Maybe he also had no soap ?! How can you not take care of yourself!
        He was the head of state, and not a homeless station! belay

        It was about the fact that there was no capitalism in socialism, and your attitude to everything is clear and does not require comments.
        You, liberals, and Stalin have directly opposite values, so you don’t understand us.
  • Mengad
    Mengad 6 July 2016 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Mengad
    independent scholars

    hee hee

    I understand why you are laughing yes and you are right, the words ,, independent ,, and ,, scientist ,, have long compromised themselves unfortunately. When I wrote this, I proceeded from my internal understanding of the world .. but I forgot a little about the realities. what
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 11: 28
      +2
      just academic science is still that viper
      1. Mother CheeseEarth
        Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 12: 32
        -2
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        just academic science is still that viper

        Yes. And here is the vocational school, here is the vocational school this is our everything!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 13: 35
          -1
          are you an idiot? !!!!
          A vocational school is a necessary part of the vocational education system, but the fact that opponents live in academic science like spiders in a bank is a fact proven by no one (well, except that you)
  • Mother CheeseEarth
    Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 11: 11
    -2
    It turned out that their model is more effective, and since 1991 Russia switched to it.

    It did not turn out to be, it was initially clear to everyone, including smart people in Russia.
    Because "communism", that the idea of ​​a revolutionary transition to communism through the "revolution of the proletariat," is all unscientific! And that is why, in the USSR, practically all social sciences were banned, so that there were fewer literate people, because with literate people "communism cannot be built."
    Moreover, it must be emphasized that there was nothing bad, as we all know and remember, in state capitalism in terms of sociality.

    It was!
    All this "social" is and has been in the capital cities. But there it is in a more efficient format, in the format of predominantly private property in the absence of a monopoly.
    And it was precisely because of this that England and the United States had to help us, because in this case ideology gave way to geopolitics and national and state interests.

    There is also a moment.
    Soviet aid was in full accord with the "national and state interests" of the United States and Great Britain.
    And the small chest opens simply that the 3 Reichs, that the USSR, were entities hostile to democratic countries.
    But the 3rd Reich was an order of magnitude more viable, had a more efficient economy, and in general, if he had planned to take the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line, having gained access to our resources, it would be a mortal danger for the UK and even the USA.
    But the USSR under Dzhugashvili, and many years after his death, did not present any danger, because it was a rather backward country in many respects, a country with an extremely inefficient economy.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 11: 38
      -1
      Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
      It turned out that their model is more effective, and since 1991 Russia switched to it.
      It did not turn out to be, it was initially clear to everyone, including smart people in Russia.

      as I understand it, you just refer to these "smart people"
      then please be so kind as to explain to STUPID people, and how was capitalism more effective
      Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
      And that is why, in the USSR, practically all social sciences were banned, so that there are fewer literate people, because with literate "communism cannot be built"

      MASTER, but let me know "smart man" you lived in the Union ?!
      Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
      3 The Reich was an order of magnitude more viable, had a more efficient economy, and in general, if he had taken the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line as planned, gaining access to our resources would pose a mortal danger to the UK and even the USA.

      why not borrow? !!!!
      only for the sake of all the saints do not have to write about the fact that thanks to the naglia and pindocia
      Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
      But the USSR under Dzhugashvili, and many years after his death, did not represent any danger

      Then why did you need an unthinkable plan and many others? !!!
      I'm starting to doubt your intelligence
      1. Mother CheeseEarth
        Mother CheeseEarth 6 July 2016 13: 29
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        explain to stupid people how capitalism turned out to be more effective

        Capitalism has been in the Russian Federation for 25 years, what exactly can you show that you don’t see ?!
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        only for the sake of all the saints do not have to write about the fact that thanks to the naglia and pindocia

        NOMENCLATURE Lend-Lease deliveries watched?
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        then why did you need an unthinkable plan

        In any unlikely event, to protect France-Holland-Spain.
        Under Dzhugashvili, the USSR did not threaten the well-being of Great Britain and the USA; there was no strength.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 13: 56
          0
          Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
          Capitalism has been in the Russian Federation for 25 years, what exactly can you show that you don’t see ?!

          Yes, that's just what I see that the USSR won in all respects
          Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
          Did you look at the LEND-LEASE DELIVERY NOMENCLATURE?

          iiiiii
          you will be surprised but the Americans and Hitler delivered a lot of what next what ?!
          business business and nothing but business, delivered for money, and not for thanks
          Quote: Mother CheeseEarth
          Under Dzhugashvili, the USSR did not threaten; there was no strength.

          Are you a fool or weed a smoke ?!
          you said that you would like to destroy the USSR destroyed, they answered you what they wanted, but you couldn’t therefore push the Wishlist back, now you are talking nonsense about the fact that the Soviet Socialist Republic had little strength to destroy someone
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 6 July 2016 14: 10
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            iiiiii
            you will be surprised but the Americans and Hitler delivered a lot of what next what ?!
            business business and nothing but business, delivered for money, and not for thanks

            No, they didn’t deliver anything to Hitler. The bottom line is different. Lendliz's mechanism spun slowly enough. And until the middle of the 1943 year, the USSR fought exclusively on its own. The lion's share of help came in the 1944 and 1945 years, when Hitler’s ridge was already broken, the USSR survived on its own, and it was only about how quickly the German kaput would arrive. Without help in 1944 and 45, this kaput would come a couple of months later. No more.

            Example: about 01.06.43 aircraft were delivered to the 5000 from the USA. Is it a lot or a little? During the 1941-1943 years, the USSR aviation industry produced 75000 aircraft on its own. American aid amounted to 6,5% of this number.
          2. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 6 July 2016 16: 57
            +2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Are you a fool or weed a smoke ?!
            you said that you would like to destroy the USSR destroyed, they answered you what they wanted, but you couldn’t therefore push the Wishlist back, now you are talking nonsense about the fact that the Soviet Socialist Republic had little strength to destroy someone


            Well, look at what year parity was achieved with the United States in nuclear weapons and their carriers - by the end of the 70s.
            What made the Americans sit at the negotiating table.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 17: 02
              0
              what are you talking about?
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 6 July 2016 17: 07
              0
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              Well, look at what year parity was achieved with the United States in nuclear weapons and their carriers - by the end of the 70s

              - this is, really, "about nothing"

              UNACCEPTABLE DAMAGE IN THE WAR - the level of defeat of the armed forces, military-industrial facilities, state and military control systems, in which the state loses the opportunity to continue the war or is deprived of the political and economic motives for its further conduct

              - But the Union could well arrange this byak to the States already in the 60s
              - that's why "there was no war" yes
        2. Kurasava
          Kurasava 6 July 2016 17: 32
          +1
          Of course, of course))) Every bourgeois will prove that taking away from him his "hard-earned hard work" is unscientific AHAHAHHA !!!!! And even in the 20s of the 20th century, the same bourgeois argued that teaching workers to write and consider it is also unscientific. And universal medical care is also anti-scientific .......... guess why?
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 6 July 2016 12: 17
    +3
    The “liberation campaign” on September 17 de facto made the USSR ally of Germany and caused in the West a stream of cartoons depicting Hitler and Stalin, leg-to-leg connected with their symbols in their hands, and the corresponding content of the scripture.

    Complete nonsense: England and France, under the Treaty with Poland, would have been OBLIGED to declare war on the USSR after the "attack" on Poland, however, this did not come from the word at all. Just like Poland did NOT declare war, but on the contrary, ordered not to resist.
    England took a Soviet position, and on October 17 and 27 it was reported to the USSR that London wants to see ethnographic Poland of modest size and there can be no question of returning Western Ukraine and Western Belarus to it.

    And what kind of "ally of Germany" is this? Nonsense...
    1. oking
      oking 6 July 2016 23: 37
      0
      Quote: Aleksander
      England and France, under the Treaty with Poland, would have been OBLIGED to declare war on the USSR after the "attack" on Poland, however, this did not come from the word at all

      This can only say that they were counting on Soviet "cannon fodder" in the future. And they did not lose.
      Quote: Aleksander
      Like Poland, DO NOT declare war,

      So the Soviet Union did not declare war on Germany either on June 22.06.41, XNUMX, or later. This is the responsibility of the attacker.
      Quote: Aleksander
      on the contrary, she ordered not to show resistance.

      Link to the order do not lay out? Or is everything at the level of rumors circulating in RuNet?
      Quote: Aleksander
      England adopted the Soviet position, and on October 17 and 27 the USSR was informed that London wants to see ethnographic Poland of modest size and there can be no question of returning Western Ukraine and Western Belarus to it.

      What opinion Britain had on the question of the borders of Poland is its private affair. And the fact that she did not want to quarrel with the USSR over trifles speaks of the foresight of her leaders.
      Quote: Aleksander
      And what kind of "ally of Germany" is this? Nonsense...

      Who? Enemy? Not simular. Neutral? It doesn't look like either. You won’t throw words out of a song ...
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 6 July 2016 12: 46
    -1
    in 1918 and ended with the Brest Peace. “Shameful” from the point of view of “true” revolutionaries, but quite logical from the point of view of the primacy of state interests
    1. A strange statement: true internationalist revolutionaries supported Brest's shame, for ALL borders were deeply indifferent to them: the inevitable world revolution would erase them anyway!
    2. For the first time I hear that state interests countries (any) include (under the terms of the agreement): transfer of a third of the country (population) to the invading invaders, 40% of steel, 90% of coal, dissolution of their own army (which means the destruction of sovereignty), transfer of gold reserves and recognition of defeat in the war. .. of Bulgaria! and so forth belay
    Let the author think what would happen if the Entente had not released Lenin from obligations under the Brest shame and not ordered the Germans to go home and if allowed to stay in occupied territories. But it could have been a disaster for the country ....
    1. tatra
      tatra 6 July 2016 13: 04
      -3
      The disaster for the country is YOU, enemies of the Communists, for almost 100 years.
      During the Civil War unleashed by you and your allies from the Entente in Soviet Russia, you tore apart centuries-old Russia to pieces, and having seized the USSR with lies and hypocrisy, you immediately divided it among themselves.
      And you also have the audacity to blame the Communists for something, and in the exact opposite.
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  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 6 July 2016 13: 16
    +1
    It seems that the History of Russia is like a stumbling block .... everyone knows about our history, but they cannot compile and systematize it, or no one needs it and they don’t want to ... Official history and alternative are quite happy with everything.
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 7 July 2016 18: 57
      0
      This is really a stumbling block. You can’t tell the truth, but you must be able to lie truthfully.
  • Borus017
    Borus017 6 July 2016 13: 20
    +1
    I put the article a plus, although I do not agree with everything stated by the author. In my opinion, the author has deviated from the principle of impartiality that he himself declared - emotions played. On the other hand, an attempt to consider the totality of facts and factors under the general title "History of the USSR" does not fit into the volume of the article at all - a completely different format is needed. And - candid a look at history, a comprehensive analysis is needed. "History does not teach anything, but only punishes for ignorance of its lessons."
    V. O. Klyuchevsky
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 July 2016 13: 29
    +1
    the author, you do not write a textbook, you push your ideology. an ideology of consumption, where you say shorts and yachts for veterans of the Great Patriotic War. But in the USSR we had everything.
    And then now the ideology is not liberal, not even consumption. Now the ideology of "why is this"? They rode on Gelenvagens, but why, they hung a board in honor of the Nazi in Leningrad, also what about, the law is anti-family, too, but what about this ... Now they came up with a new trick, let's forget everything, well, at least they remember the pilot, but the Marine, and the others have already been forgotten, but why is this ... the world is better all the more, again their zucchini, again their beaches, but what is this ...
  • user3970
    user3970 6 July 2016 14: 03
    +3
    With regards to the Comintern ... The main conductor of his ideas was Labla Bronstein - Leon Trotsky, who arrived in Russia not in a "sealed" carriage, but quite comfortably from the United States with the money of American Jews (I suspect the Rothschilds). The label considered Russia a fertilizer for the future world revolution. And therefore, the Russian leadership did not spare money for spending on all the crooks hiding behind the ideas of the Comintern, even in the most hungry years for the country. Lafa ended with this as soon as Stalin came to power, and Trotsky died from an ice pick in Mexico. All ! With regards to countries and systems ... Sweden - capitalism or communism? There are no beggars, no homeless people, the standard of living is beyond praise, a progressive scale of taxation (how much is there for the rich with a profit of 50%, and why does not capital flee from there?) ... The highest mortality rate from suicide. Switzerland is the same. Libya. Dictatorship. The standard of living under Kadaffi is at least not lower than in Sweden. Highly social state. Cuba. The dictatorship of Castro. Good education, medicine - at the level of the best world standards. Welfare state. The standard of living is poverty. She stretches her legs over the clothes. We'll see when Castro leaves and the country becomes the SGA brothel. Regarding history textbooks ... There is such a concept - CURIOSITY, followed by interest. If you read to children from grade 4 "Miniatures" by Valentin Pikul, it will be curious, and when interest arises in high school, then "Word and Deed", "Out of the Dead End" "" Cruiser ", etc. And at the exit we get patriotism By the way, "Miniatures" (if you haven't read it, I recommend it to everyone, you will find a lot of interesting things).
    1. tatra
      tatra 6 July 2016 16: 03
      -2
      The enemies of the communists also slandered Trotsky, for example, they attributed to him a phrase beginning with the words "we must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white blacks ...", and the Americans did not give him any money.
      Trotsky was nothing, he had not been in Russia for 10 years, there was no party behind him, no one would give money to such a person.
      Trotsky became one of the leaders of the October Revolution only because his Bolsheviks accepted into his party and made him Chairman of the Petrograd Soviet.
      1. Lyubopyatov
        Lyubopyatov 6 July 2016 17: 32
        +2
        My dear, do not spread your ignorance! Or you are a hidden Trotskyist.
        1. tatra
          tatra 6 July 2016 20: 29
          -2
          In order to expose anti-Soviet lies and slander, you just need to be an honest person.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 21: 20
            +2
            Quote: tatra
            you just have to be an honest person.

            unfortunately this is not enough, you still need to have knowledge, otherwise you will have to sit in a puddle
      2. Rivares
        Rivares 6 July 2016 20: 06
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        Quote: tatra
        Trotsky was nobody

        And who then was in charge of preventing worker disturbances in the factories of Bourgeois Schiff?
        1. tatra
          tatra 6 July 2016 20: 11
          -2
          And where did you find such stupidity?
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 21: 25
        +1
        Quote: tatra
        Trotsky was nobody, he was not in Russia for 10 years, there was no party behind him, no one would give money to such a person

        In 1897 he participated in the foundation of the South Russian Labor Union
        after the arrest of Khrustalyov on November 26, 1905, the Executive Committee of the Council officially elected Trotsky as chairman
        In 1908-1912 he published the newspaper Pravda in Vienna. In 1912, the Bolsheviks founded their own newspaper, Pravda, with the same name, which caused much controversy. Trotsky expressed extreme irritation with the fact that Lenin “intercepted” the newspaper from him (in a private letter to Axelrod P. B. even called Lenin “a parasite”), but he could not defend it. April 23, 1912 was the last issue of the Vienna "Truth".
        so declare that he was no one to put it mildly
        1. tatra
          tatra 6 July 2016 22: 13
          0
          Well, that's right, after Trotsky escaped from exile, he left Russia for 10 years, and wrote articles, there was no party behind him, so no one would give such a person "millions, tens of millions of dollars" to make a revolution in Russia .
          He became a significant figure in Russia only because 2 months before the October Revolution the Bolsheviks accepted him into their party.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 22: 21
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            Quote: tatra
            He became a significant figure in Russia only because 2 months before the October

            Immediately after the February Revolution, Trotsky sailed from America to Russia by ship. On the way, in the Canadian port of Halifax, Trotsky and his family were removed from the ship by the British authorities and sent to a concentration camp for the interned sailors of the German merchant fleet. The reason for the detention was the lack of Russian documents, as well as the fears of the British regarding the possible negative influence of Trotsky on stability in Russia. However soon at the written request of the Provisional Government, Trotsky was released as an honored fighter against tsarism and continued on his way to Russia through Sweden and Finland.

            do not find it strange this attitude to the "insignificant" figure
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  • arlekin
    arlekin 6 July 2016 14: 52
    0
    "It turns out that making history is easy. History is what is written in books. Everything is very simple." (C)
    The history of Russia, whether to please the rulers or ideology, has always been rewritten and rewritten. Sometimes dramatically changing the interpretation of events, sometimes gradually and gradually correcting them. For example, a chapel was opened in Khabarovsk last year with great fanfare. In it, as in coffee 3 in 1, they mixed the church, the Great Patriotic War and the St. George cross. But quite recently they could not even think about such a confusion, but now both the administration and the ministries and respectable organizations are taking part in the construction of the chapel, and no one has a shadow of any doubts. Yes, for God's sake, if it will serve to unite people in the country. I am depressed by only one thing, besides the clumsy meaning of the inscription, - the presence of a grammatical error (to workers of the rear). The chapel has been standing for a year already, or they don't notice, or they decided "and so it will do." request
  • arlekin
    arlekin 6 July 2016 14: 53
    -1
    I can’t put in one comment several photos
  • arlekin
    arlekin 6 July 2016 14: 54
    -1
    I can’t put in one comment several photos
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 14: 58
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      Quote: arlekin
      I can’t put in one comment several photos
      insert the first, place the room, and after editing insert the rest
  • cdznjckfd
    cdznjckfd 6 July 2016 15: 02
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    The only more or less truthful textbook can be written if you exclude from it any conclusions and analytics, only verified facts, and let yourself draw conclusions
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 15: 51
      -1
      Quote: cdznjckfd
      verified facts only

      ... and he drove out of paradise, EVERYTHING laughing
  • DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 6 July 2016 15: 46
    +2
    History should give facts and explain the essence of events, and the interpretation of these events - for those who know how to think logically.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 16: 41
      0
      that is, all historical science is still bizdy?
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 6 July 2016 17: 04
        +3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        that is, all historical science is still bizdy?


        Soviet? A lot of cliches and editing.
        It’s like Pokryshkin’s memoirs published in the USSR and in Russia - they differ drastically - then I would have to reconsider the history of the Soviet period.

        There is no such people that would not make mistakes - a strong people are those who are aware of their mistakes, draw conclusions from them and do not repeat - this is what history as a science is for.
        And not in order to serve political or economic interests.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 17: 06
          -2
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          Soviet?

          ALL
          1. Kurasava
            Kurasava 6 July 2016 17: 17
            -1
            Probably probably ALL lol I would also revise especially about LozhZhenitsyn and his "archipelago" which they taught us in high school ..... ugh, I already then asked questions about not docking and confusion for which I snatched from the teacher a liter of bad and two ... ...
  • Kurasava
    Kurasava 6 July 2016 17: 06
    -1
    Uv.Kamarada. Who is this "Cheese Earth" (God chose which name, necrophile or what?)? And why is a "personality" with such a mega negative rating still grazing here. And okay if he would say something sensible or at least something controversial, otherwise, after all, some cliches and stereotypes, he does not bring one topic to the end, he does not give arguments or facts, and as soon as someone starts to press on specifics here changes the subject. Where are you Moders? In the "firing base" such, for a flood.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2016 17: 28
      0
      Quote: Kurasava
      Lord, what kind of necrophile did you choose?

      well, it's you in vain
      MOTHER CHEESE EARTH - The most beloved and important character in Slavic mythology from ancient times to the present day. Mother Earth Cheese - Heavenly Goddess Patroness of Midgard-Earth. Goddess of earthly fertility and rich, plentiful harvest.

      PEDIGREE: It is said that Mother Earth Cheese was received by the Family in the process of churning (buttermilk) milk with Alatyr stone. (Milk was obtained from Zemun cow and Sedun goat).

      At the beginning of time, Mother-Raw-Earth from the great Family was born the son Svyatogor.

      From the Black Serpent (Chernobog), Raw Earth has a son Kashchei (the one who is Immortal).

      There were other children at the Earth. The father of Horynia, Dubyn, Adopt and Pan was Viy. Peleg's father was Ark.

      Earth also had a daughter, Chernava.

      Mother of Earth Cheese, consort of Heaven (Dyya). From him at the Earth's son is INDRA. And already from Indra, Mother of the Cheese, the Earth gave birth to God the Magus.
      1. Kurasava
        Kurasava 6 July 2016 17: 39
        -1
        Yes, the term is familiar to me, but it doesn’t fit with the avatar and ego texts, so I ventured to suggest that the motive was completely different when he chose a nickname. wink
        1. tasha
          tasha 6 July 2016 18: 21
          -1
          And you, Mr. Kurasava, what matters are the reasons why your opponent chose this or that nickname? So you also turn to reputable COMRADES for support, to the site administrators. By the way, why did you use the word CAMRAD? Do you communicate in certain circles? Oh well...

          I remembered here. As a child, I was one of my enemies. He himself never intervened in a fight, but instigated notably, masterpiece simply. Like innocent questions, such as: "Who said bad things about Vaska" or "It seems we all ran away from school, but these two didn't. Why?" Various, who are more stupid, immediately reared on their hind legs, carried out the analysis. And this one aside. And he had a nickname - RAT.
  • eyed
    eyed 6 July 2016 17: 17
    +1
    [quote = DimerVladimer] History should give facts and explain the essence of events, and the interpretation of these events - for those who know how to think logically.
    And what is a "fact" and who will "explain". It's easier than a steamed turnip in a textbook to put only the dates - the Battle of Kulikovo in 1380 - and that's enough. And leave the teacher to explain? Or two more textbooks with explanations in very opposite views? And the ability to "think logically" is not given to everyone, although there are a lot of textbooks on logic. So much for a vicious circle ...
    For me, the textbook for the school should be in the style "what was not done - everything is good and right"! There should be no negative - a textbook for children! It is necessary to finish the textbook with a chapter on the events of twenty years ago in the style of telegraph messages. Parents will tell about the next 10 years, and for the rest to themselves. But whoever needs it, THEN let him get to the bottom of the truth and how to look at it: right, left, maybe behind ...
    1. Kurasava
      Kurasava 6 July 2016 17: 24
      -1
      I agree with you! The main message should be like this - these are our ancestors and they are HEROES all of them fought for the good of the Fatherland and for our Motherland to be free and powerful and thanks to them we now live in peace and tranquility. And all OURS are good, enemies are bad. And no reeling and yawing in the right to the left. This is at school. Who wants to study more specialized, welcome to the university at the appropriate faculty.
      1. eyed
        eyed 6 July 2016 18: 40
        0
        It is necessary and possible to study history. Just let’s be puzzled - what is “history” itself? "The legends of deep antiquity" or is it already yesterday? If history is archives, excavations, memoirs and biographies, this is one story. If the backstage of the affairs of governments, presidents and parliaments, generals and "just colonels", secret police, gendarmerie, cereushe and kegebesh - then this is also a story, completely different and unknown to us, well, say, yes, at times and time, but not all "studying "to wait for that time, and in 50 years it will not be very interesting, so, for a narrow circle ...
        History in itself is interesting only at times difficult, crisis, reform, when a bunch of idiots to hoarseness prove to each other and to the heap that the glass is half empty or full. And in the days of well-fed, bready and profitable fuck, that story did not give up to anyone. And as the guide tells you - let him go and ....
  • Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 6 July 2016 17: 40
    +1
    Good articles ... about the story.
    Good in the sense that after reading the comments you are amazed at the spectrum of opinions of people.
    They simply shock the depths of the psyche.
    And some have somatics. Those. after their opinion - pulls to piss. There are schizoids with a fissured psyche. And there ... they write - do not stop. Just Count Tolstoy mixed with Sholokhov and Dostoevsky, and incidentally, all the founders of scientific masturbation.
    ...
    So what's the topic?
    Do we need a history textbook or not? A true textbook of true history.
    That's right - the right question already contains the answer.
    To learn to love the Motherland - a textbook is not needed. Neither true nor deceitful. Because the Homeland is your own life, either in a black strip or in a white one. These are your parents, relatives, kindergarten, school, college. The first teachers and teachers later. Your own achievements and deafening failures.
    But the Motherland does not cease to be a Motherland from this.
    ...
    And here - to hate - the textbook is already clearly needed here.
    Because you have to isolate ANY moment of your life. Turn everything upside down.
    For what?
    So that there is no holistic perception of the world based on your own experience.
    To make your psyche fractured, schizoid.
    Abnormal.
    And then you can vparivat any balcony under the brand of truth.
    ...
    Remember Belyaev's novel, "The Head of Professor Dowell." How the owner of the clinic easily and easily broke the psyche of normal people, convicting them of endless lies, allegedly.
    But this is the strongest and most effective method - to constantly show a person that he is constantly lying himself, they lie to him and his whole life is a lie.
    Another step - and we see ... what we see? What is happening in Ukraine now. Shiz on a schiz. Zoological schiz. And they sacredly believe in it.
    .
    No history books needed.
    We just need homeland textbooks.
    There is such a profession - to defend the homeland.
    And there is such - Life. To love the homeland. Like a mother!
    Everything else is from the evil one.
    1. eyed
      eyed 6 July 2016 18: 22
      0
      IS A QUESTION POSSIBLE? What kind of miracle is this "truthful textbook"? Hence the second question: who called this "truth" the truth? And, in the end, who will know the truth, who will lay it out, the uterus, in figures and documents?
      And yet - why a textbook for "hating"? For this, the government is ...
      Textbook of the Motherland ... And the question is possible? ....
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 6 July 2016 19: 34
        +1
        Duc for that and ....
        Who will determine - the TRUTH ....
        there is no answer, as in the first chapter of Tom Sawyer.
        ...
        Textbooks on how to hate the homeland - yes, take any current one. That they are.
        Turn on the "box" - the same thing. All these films ... Three days of the White Tiger ...
        .
        The textbook of the Motherland is the memory of my ancestors who created Russia, Russia, the USSR with their labor.
        And from the truth, I'm not cold. neither hot. True, she is either there or she is not.
        My grandfather and grandmother lived in an adobe communal apartment when I was born. But the satellite into space of the USSR has already launched.
  • sivera1116
    sivera1116 6 July 2016 17: 44
    +1
    "education (albeit scanty," and only with us "..." - the question arises, what is the "scantiness" of education? .. With what was it compared? .. And given the situation with education and science today, it turns out to be almost comprehensive.
  • Romans
    Romans 6 July 2016 23: 06
    +3
    education (albeit kutsee, “and only with us”, but again - accessible to everyone). - a question in a subject ?! And what is it? In the USSR, half of the world's scientists were, all sciences were at the forefront, but there was no problem with the history textbook! Any Soviet history textbook for the school is much clearer, more accessible, more logical and clear than any modern, and most importantly it does not have such a sea of ​​typos, spelling, punctuation and the worst of semantic errors!
  • Romans
    Romans 6 July 2016 23: 22
    +3
    Vyacheslav Shpakovsky is a great connoisseur of "Ancient history" and "History of the Middle Ages", these are his historical sections and he writes very interesting articles on them, but "History of Russia", especially during the reign of the Romanov dynasty and the Soviet period, is not his element! The question is why ?! But because he has a pronounced political position on both the tsarist and Soviet periods! He interferes with history with the propaganda of his political views and tries to impose it on the majority, and this is a deliberately destructive approach to business.
  • Romans
    Romans 6 July 2016 23: 45
    +1
    To write a textbook for a school, you need to understand in whose interests it will be written, what qualities, emotions and associations it will evoke in growing individuals ?! First you need to understand what kind of country we have today, what the elite wants, how they see their future and ours !? And with these basic concepts, we immediately have a mess in our head, because can not understand anything! The Russian Federation, throughout its short history, shies from side to side, like a "ship without a captain," then we are vassals of the United States, then the independent "Energy Superpower", then the best friends of the PRC, and now they are thinking again ... Who is interested in writing a textbook ?! In the interests of the ruling liberal crowd with their anti-values, and who will we grow up on their understanding of history ???
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 7 July 2016 15: 37
      +1
      "It is in the interests of whom to write a textbook ?!" ////

      In whose interests are math textbooks written? Or chemistry?

      Since in the history of Russia there were many turbulent events, changes in the system, revolutions, etc. it’s wise to finish the textbook somewhere ... by defeating Napoleon’s army.
      And then we will write social studies textbooks, optional for exams, where opposite versions of events with the possibility of discussions would be expressed.
      1. Romans
        Romans 9 July 2016 18: 06
        0
        In general, an interesting thought, you expressed smile , but history is a very political science and therefore it will not work out that way. For example, in "History of Russia" there are controversial points before the Romanovs. For example: 1) Genesis of the East Slavic proto-states; 2) The policy of Alexander Nevsky and the creation of the Russian-Horde state (with a vassal dependence on the Horde of the Russian principalities); 3) The significance of the Horde period for the entire History of Russia; 4) The reign of Tsar Ivan the Terrible and the significance of his period for the "History of Russia".
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  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 7 July 2016 22: 00
    +1
    Complete nonsense. The author really wants to be in the happy 20% of the hosts.