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The game around the Donbass and the mischievous Mr. Putin

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The game around the Donbass and the mischievous Mr. Putin



The amount of informational materials is simply overwhelming, even the laziest journalist or blogger has gotten into trouble on this topic. And everyone is trying to predict the development of the situation, and everyone is waiting for something extraordinary. And there will be nothing. Strategic deadlock. The world forces here have collided and come into balance, although this practically does not suit any of the players. The most ridiculous topic: “Will Putin give up the Donbass?” Those who ask this question have simply not well studied the psychology and “style of play” of the Russian president.

He is very reluctant to go to risky enterprises, but, as a rule, having got involved in something like that, he does not retreat. And here, there is practically no place for him to retreat: the discharge of Donbas by the “collective Bandera” will be sharply negatively assessed in Russia (political stability can be completely disrupted) and undermine the international prestige of Moscow. The funny thing is that the West has absolutely nothing to offer Russia in return. Well, they will remove the sanctions, and in a couple of years they will again impose (under the specious pretext).

There are no political reasons for such a decision. They are not visible. In fact, Mr. Putin took a great position - a position that absolutely does not suit anyone. Neither patriots, nor Westerners, nor foreign "partners." As for the “rush to Kharkov” and the big Novorossia: it's not customary to talk about it somehow, but we and the Donbas have had big political problems with local leaders, and everything is not so “chocolate”. Even in the face of frank aggression from Kiev. What would happen if Russian troops were brought in from Kharkov to Odessa, I’m even afraid to make plans.

The Ukrainian economy is falling "fast jack", housing and communal services prices soar, but the growth of pro-Russian sentiment is not seen there. This is in the complete absence of "Russian occupation." In theory, Ukrainians should increasingly hate the West and turn to Russia. However. We do not observe anything like this. By the way, I don’t know why. Take the same Saakashvili - he came to Odessa as a US protege. But this is our native Soviet-Artek Mishiko. And with another turn of events he could have come to Odessa with Russian tanks... Only, I'm afraid, would have met him in a completely different way. The same Mishiko, the same ties ... He in every way mocks at the inhabitants of Odessa, but they tolerate it. If he came from Russia, then the protests would be immeasurable (throughout Ukraine).

In fact, Ukrainians see us as enemies, and Americans as their masters. What kind of political diversion is possible here is not clear to me. Ukraine leaves us to the “third world”, but leaves ... In military terms, the Ukrainian army (like the entire state) is gradually falling apart and degrading. War is always very expensive. In 2014, they had a chance today not. The “state facility” is getting weaker, plundered more and more, the shells are over, people are tired. And the very unity of Ukraine causes more and more doubts. Late APU with the "victory". The rupture of cooperation with Russia killed the Ukrainian defense industry, and buy weapon and ammunition is expensive.

In general, I am personally waiting for the final collapse of Ukraine on the principality. And then there will be nobody to support the APU and no matter what. About this we observed in 1917 and 1991, and Ukraine is not the Republic of Ingushetia and not the USSR even once. There is such a shy hope. Any civilized society has a certain margin of safety, but it is not unlimited. Not at all unlimited.

The plan of the European Union was a genius to idiocy: forcing Russia to accept all its conditions for Ukraine. With the complete banderization of the Crimea and the Donbass and the continuation of full-fledged financing of Kiev from Moscow, directly and indirectly. Looks like they really believed it. In principle, Putin likes to negotiate, and it was perfectly possible to agree on something reasonable with him. It's already too late. The Minsk agreements really turned out to be a multistage trap: Ukraine sabotages everything and is not going to change anything, but this “de facto” means non-return of the Donbass. That is, it is impossible to remove sanctions from Russia because of its “non-compliance with the Minsk agreements”, but also the prospects for returning to Donbass are decreasing with each passing month. Just because Ukraine and Donbass are moving in very different directions. There were always contradictions, now they are revealed.

Today, Kiev and Donetsk are absolutely incompatible both ideologically and politically. They can not exist in one state. By the way, this is exactly the starting point for the collapse of Ukraine: Donetsk / Lugansk took the blow of the Supreme Court of Ukraine on themselves. And Ukraine has no more serious reserves - everything burned down in the Donbass, but it was not possible to return the Donbass. The process of "building" a united Ukraine came to a standstill. In a kind way, they would “drive” to the Crimea and Donbass, but too much was invested in the propaganda of the “united Krajina” ... Ukraine is very aggressive in its essence: in an intelligent way, they would be able to separate areas where they like Bandera and build their own life, but they started a war.

The process has begun, and the “Ukrainian project” is essentially destroyed. Russia blocked Ukrainian transit trade and imposed an embargo on Ukrainian goods. The stupid situation, when we financed the “Ukrainianship” hostile to us at our own expense, finally ended. Why hostile? France and Germany may not have the warmest feelings for Moscow, but for their existence, hatred of Russia is not necessary for them. Ukraine stands on the hatred of the "Muscovites". This is a completely artificial, “vampire” project. A vampire cannot live without the blood of his victim, but he does not begin to love her. And the relationship "normalized." And you thought?

Those who like to talk about the "fraternal Ukrainian people" can in no way explain the paradoxical behavior of this very people and their fierce hatred of the Russians. Not to the Poles, the Turks or the Germans (which would be understandable), namely to the Russians. Even in Hitler's Germany there were great psychological problems with the planning of an attack on Switzerland. The reason is not neutrality, but the overwhelming German language of it. There was Hitler and the Gestapo, and not the Security Service and Poroshenko. And yet it was precisely the questions. And in "fraternal" Ukraine, hatred of Russians exists as an official ideology. And in the Russia-Ukraine relationship, everything finally fell into place, the horizon was cleared.

I do not recall something of the split and contradictions in Ukraine among politicians and businessmen with respect to the “eastern neighbor”. There was no “pro-Russian party” there. In the winter of 2013 / 14, this pus simply spilled out. We in Russia cannot understand in any way that if people, for example, live in Kiev or Dnepropetrovsk and speak Russian, this does not mean that we will agree easily with them. Any dictatorship, you know, is conditional enough and must rely on the support of a significant part of the population. So, millions of Ukrainians approve of the ATO and the “cleansing” of the Donbass. And what should we do about it?

In general, the conflict around Donbass is interesting enough from the point of view that ordinary viewers see such things, which usually remain “behind the scenes”. The artists went to the hall, the policy went to the masses ... In theory, Putin, Merkel, Hollande were to meet in February 2014 and grind everything. For tightly closed doors. The result would be some kind of "rotten compromise." Why Merkel, Putin and Hollande? And they are all in Europe (and I am in Asia, and proud of it!), And they do not need war in their place of residence. But Putin "put in ignore." From here all troubles. Putin "harbored a grudge." But seriously, in the spring of 2014, all Europeans decided to drive Putin into a corner with a joint effort and presented him with an ultimatum. Hence, his very cautious game, and hence the complete “plug” in Ukraine as a result. In theory, the sanctions could be much tougher and many sought it.

That is, in the spring of 2014, European politicians did not think about what would happen to Ukraine, they thought about how to deal with Mr. Putin. It turned out funny in the end, is not it? Really funny. As a result, Europeans cannot just lift sanctions: this is a complete loss of face. The problem is: Ukraine is not so interesting for European business. And there is slowly growing pressure on European politicians over the lifting of sanctions. But they are completely deprived of freedom of maneuver: the Kiev comrades are inadequate and are not going to carry out any “Minsk agreements” in principle.

In general, yes, in the Donbass there was a war and tragedy, people died. But in general, following the results in Europe, a rather amusing political situation has developed, if you “understand a lot of perversions”. Once again they tried to turn off Russia from the European concert and solve the question of Ukraine without it. According to the results "everything is mixed up in the Oblonskys' house".

First: Putin will not retreat anywhere, forget. The idea that the Russian Federation "quietly" merges the Donbass, and the EU is withdrawing sanctions in response (that’s what our European friends and European enemies are now offering), Putin is not interested. Forget like a bad dream. But they have no other proposals.

Secondly: Ukraine is sick and tired of everyone. Poroshenko in Europe do not want to see. He really knocked them out and continues to enrage. Attitude towards Ukrainians continues to deteriorate. They certainly cannot admit this openly (neither of them).

Thirdly: in France, for example, a serious political crisis, and mass strikes, and enraged farmers. They are not up to Ukraine. The crisis in southern Europe has not gone away either, as has the migrant crisis. And like the cherry on the cake - Brexit ... And Britain was one of the three economic pillars of the EU. And now, the European bureaucrats also urgently need to redraw the budget. It’s not something that someone should be taken, someone should be expelled ... Someone from the “freeloaders”.

Fourthly: one of the trump cards of Germany, as a political leader of the European Union, was “special” relations with Russia. So, they are no more. No from the word at all. Many Europeans suddenly realized that all that Berlin could provide for them was an endless "war on the Eastern Front." Perhaps this is a German national idea, but it is very difficult to make it all-European. And the people jumped in different directions. And Merkel has so spoiled relations with Putin that, in principle, she cannot demonstrate something positive in this regard.

And now after Brexit, the situation becomes really interesting ... German politicians got too carried away with games in the east of Europe and forgot about the west ... And then such a zeal was drawn ... For us, of course, Ukraine is more interesting ... but for the EU and Germany. This is a catastrophe. This is a "tectonic shift in geopolitics." Drawing an analogy with historical events: "second front". The British demonstrated the classic of national geopolitics: “Britain does not have constant friends, but has constant interests ...” And again: “The enemy of Britain will always be the first strongest continental power ...”. And the Germans can now feel a little in the shoes of the Poles in the 39th or the French in the 40th ...

The idea is that resignation should be submitted not only to Cameron, but Merkel and Hollande. They are "discredited with particular cynicism." Britain firmly insisted on EU sanctions against Russia and immediately after the next extension, “dumped” from the European Union. You can not say anything, the Germans successfully podgadali with Donbas and sanctions ... Why do they need London? The main thing - Kramatorsk and Berdichev! The Germans (once again) led an openly anti-Russian policy, which now completely excludes the possibility of a compromise with Moscow. Too they are straightforward. And the conflict has gone too far. Especially got a “baby Hollande”: it was Britain who insisted on the cancellation of Mistral delivery ... It turned out to be funny, wasn't it? The British are able to (substitute "ally"). In fact, the proud Britons staged a “pretty fire in a brothel during a flood ...”. Honor and praise them! Nice to live when theyinteresting time...

Thus, the political situation on the European continent is very complicated and it is unlikely to be able to unravel it, and it will not “settle” by itself. Some landmarks are completely lost, and to predict something now is pointless. Europe is most reminiscent of the very "Oblonsky house". There is something interesting ahead.

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  1. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 1 July 2016 05: 21
    +15
    "There's something interesting ahead."

    More and more often I remember the Chinese curse wish: "so that you live in an era of change." Looks like the "powers of heaven" are in great anger.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 1 July 2016 05: 31
      +16
      ... the proud Britons made a "pretty fire in the brothel during the flood ...". Honor and praise be to them!
      Type of behavior - "English shits", nothing has happened. Well said.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 1 July 2016 06: 05
        +8
        Good article - I liked it! Especially a number of apt comments by the author - for example, this.
        The British demonstrated the classic of national geopolitics: “Britain does not have constant friends, but there are constant interests ...” And also: “Enemy of Britain will always be the first strongest continental power... ".
        Who! Clear business - Germany, followed by France. I’ll also add Poland here - since the author quite rightly compared the current situation with the situation in 1938 and 1939 year.
        In relation to these EU countries, Great Britain acted really, as always in history, with “special cynicism”.
        Britain firmly insisted on EU sanctions against Russia and immediately after their next extension, “FALLED” from The European Union. belay am laughing
        Britain, as always, lured everyone into a "trap", then "shit" everyone - and left!
        But Germany and France, it seems, are already used to breaking their foreheads, stepping in communication with the Anglo-Saxons, on the same historical rake.
        1. Comrade Schucher
          Comrade Schucher 1 July 2016 06: 43
          +9
          To put out a fire, there are two ways ...
          First: - find a bucket (or even two), run to the river (well, if not far), collect water and drag it to the fire (it may be necessary to do this several times), and pour this fire, spitting out smoke and steam, smearing hare snot and tears ...
          Second: - sit quietly at the fire, and patiently wait until the fire burns out (you can also bake potatoes on the coals), and goes out by itself - and your nerves are not disturbed, and the money is in your goals pocket.

          I like our Tsar for his wisdom, one might even say thoughtfulness, and I sincerely respect him for choosing the second method of fighting "fire".
          1. Crucian
            Crucian 1 July 2016 07: 14
            +4
            I like our Tsar for his wisdom, one might even say thoughtfulness, and I sincerely respect him for choosing the second method of fighting "fire".

            I also respect the GDP, and everything would be correct in your words about the second method of extinguishing if people did not die every day ...
            1. Comrade Schucher
              Comrade Schucher 1 July 2016 08: 35
              +6
              Quote: Karas
              if every day people did not die ...

              I would not want, here in VO, to look like a complete cynic, but the reality is harsh and inevitable.
              All military operations involve the attraction of manpower and technical means - and this is nothing but an expendable material for achieving the assigned task, and, as a side effect, the death of the civilian population ...
              And it is miscalculated, taken into account, even the language does not rotate - PLANNED !, in the development of combat plans.
              Only how this "military material" is spent and the protection of civilians is ensured - these are the worries and concerns of the fathers-commanders.

              Something like this ... He himself was in Afghanistan ... He survived, returned ... But not everyone had that.
            2. Olezhek
              1 July 2016 09: 25
              +2
              I also respect the GDP, and everything would be correct in your words about the second method of extinguishing if people did not die every day ...


              Politics is the art of the possible. Who was on the side of Russia in the spring of 2014?

              No, of course it's nice to demand that everything be without blood and war in the Donbass ...
              But about this we must first torment the Europeans ..
              1. Al1977
                Al1977 1 July 2016 10: 39
                -5
                Quote: Olezhek
                No, of course it's nice to demand that everything be without blood and war in the Donbass ...
                But about this we must first torment the Europeans ..

                Why only Europe? And Putin, who was not involved in the war in the Donbass?
                Are we playing further in "we are not there" and "vacationers" do not count?
                probably adult serious people here ... many.
                Blood on the hands of both.
                1. Krasniy_lis
                  Krasniy_lis 1 July 2016 11: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Al1977
                  Are we playing further in "we are not there" and "vacationers" do not count?
                  probably adult serious people here ... many.
                  Blood on the hands of both.

                  Do you consider yourself to be "serious people"? Volunteers, not "vacationers" yes there are.
                  А
                  Quote: Al1977
                  Blood on the hands of both.

                  it’s generally mild. That is, you think that if we just shot all those who disagree (and there are millions) and that’s all? Are you definitely Russian? Or maybe a liberal?
                  1. Al1977
                    Al1977 1 July 2016 12: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Krasniy_lis
                    Do you consider yourself to be "serious people"? Volunteers, not "vacationers" yes there are.

                    It’s clear, tanks in the bushes, miners of all the strongest and more. And the planes do not fly at the Ukrainians, because there is no fuel? Leave it for Solovyov.
                    "Volunteers" with weapons, communications and intelligence equipment superior to the Ukrainian ones, destroying entire groups. Okay, everything is clear with you.
                    Just explain how we didn’t let the "dissenters" shoot if we were not there? Who didn't give it?
                    And yet, what do not agree only in Donetsk? And why did they give Mariupol? In Slavyansk, Kharkov, Odessa? Is there something like shooting dissenters? And where are the vaunted volunteers there? AND???
                    And what is the format of such Minsk agreements. What does Putin have to do with it? Why not Lukashenko or Nazarbayev? Are we exactly the same with anything?
                    And the last one. Who is the shooter for you? He cannot be trusted? Why, then?
                    Although you may not answer, you are "in the tank". It’s easy to live, but)))) In the center of World Good, in the middle of the Ocean of Evil))) Just like in a Fairy Tale, your life ... I really envy))))) I would be like that ....)))))
                    1. Krasniy_lis
                      Krasniy_lis 1 July 2016 14: 53
                      +2
                      Quote: Al1977
                      the miners are stronger

                      Do you still think that there is no one here except the miners? My father, for example, is an Afghan, a helicopter pilot with the Order of Glory of the 2nd degree, there are a couple of his colleagues, who also live in Donetsk. Not to mention the fact that our people served in due time. And the planes do not fly at the Ukrainians because they shot down them + there is no resource because everything was stolen in a mess.
                      Quote: Al1977
                      with weapons, communications and intelligence superior to Ukrainian

                      are they superior? Or are you talking about "fittings" who "burned in batches and did not impress" so this is a fake.
                      Quote: Al1977
                      how we didn’t let the "dissent" shoot

                      You spoke above about the volunteer and Strelkov, as well as help from the Russian Federation, right? The fact that the Russian Federation supports and helps us is a fact, no one denies it. But where are the "vacationers" here? Invisible, obviously?
                      Quote: Al1977
                      And why did they give Mariupol? In Slavyansk, Kharkov, Odessa?

                      And Mariupol was not given, as was Slavyansk (nothing that had been defended for so much time?). Actually, they didn’t give Kharkiv too.
                      Quote: Al1977
                      where are the vaunted volunteers

                      I already wrote a lot of people from other areas. There is the Minister of Communications from Nikolaev.
                      Quote: Al1977
                      format of such Minsk agreements. What does Putin have to do with it

                      indeed, what does Merkel or Oland have to do with it?
                      Quote: Al1977
                      Who is the shooter for you? He cannot be trusted? Why, then?

                      Shooters piz ** bol, and I don't believe him. He has "all pi **** s, I'm the only one of our honor" Why, then?
                      Very easy to live. I know what shelling is, I served a year in the BCH, now I work for the good of the republic. As in a fairy tale, yeah, envy silently.
                      Z. It seems to me that you are stupidly trying to troll me.
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 1 July 2016 14: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasniy_lis
                        My father, for example, is an Afghan, a helicopter pilot in the Order of Glory, 2nd degree,

                        From this place can be more?
                2. Kochegarkin
                  Kochegarkin 1 July 2016 15: 48
                  +3
                  Sorry dear !!!!
                  we didn’t start cooking this porridge, for 25 years we were engaged in anti .... oh propaganda (anti-European or anti-American), and in '14 we didn’t come to Independence Square with cookies, but if you tell me what you had to do, then I’ll answer you like this - we’ve been dealing with issues of secondary agitation for 25 years, and gas at a discount, and long supply contracts, customs duties and a visa-free regime, but who decided that this is not suitable for Ukraine and it’s necessary - TERMINATE all communications with a reliable economic partner? Russia? but no ... the Europeans ... ssss ... and ... and the blood of the innocent victims of Donbass and on their hands
                  IMHO
          2. 34 region
            34 region 1 July 2016 08: 08
            0
            Shucher! 06.43. Why is the fire going to burn out? Since the 90s, it has flared up more and more. And we all sit and sit! And we are waiting for it to burn out! And why should he burn out? After all, the brushwood of war is constantly thrown into it! Maybe we are wrapped in this brushwood to burn at the stake !? As in the Middle Ages they burned. If our king were so smart, he would not stand constantly with outstretched hands and did not beg for help from the West. We need this and this. Who will do this to us? We do not have money. Something must be sold! And is that wisdom? Will you bend your fingers for me? Doesn’t resemble anything?
          3. madjik
            madjik 1 July 2016 09: 00
            0
            why stew? firewood there, but more ... laughing
          4. dauria
            dauria 1 July 2016 10: 02
            0
            I like our Tsar for his wisdom, one might even say thoughtfulness, and I sincerely respect him for choosing the second method of fighting "fire".


            Or maybe there is no bucket, and no river too? ... And not the Tsar at all? Well, Ukraine will burn through, what will we return? And who said that the US will give? And do not burn, do not exaggerate. This is not a puncture, but not Putin’s victory, but impotence.
          5. atos_kin
            atos_kin 1 July 2016 11: 57
            -1
            Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
            To put out a fire, there are two ways ...

            Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
            I like the king for his wisdom, one might even say thoughtfulness, and I sincerely respect him for choosing the second method of fighting "fire".

            In this "fire" for 14 years, in front of the "wise king" and with his knowledge, "financial firewood" was thrown. Gradually, the "fire" turned into a "fire" for the residents of Donbass, which can not be extinguished with Minsk buckets, "spitting out smoke and steam, smearing snot and tears on the hare ..." "The second way - to sit quietly by the fire" will allow not only "bake potatoes", but "fry the butt of a cute sage."
        2. asiat_61
          asiat_61 1 July 2016 06: 56
          +2
          I’m tired of already hearing about the Britons who, lured everyone, deceived. For those who were lured that their head doesn’t work at all?
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    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 July 2016 05: 43
      +1
      Thank you very much for the article, maybe. it contains detailed explanations about the intentions and behavior of leaders of different countries.
      The article says that Ukrainians look at Russians as enemies, that this is hatred of Russians and that it is incomprehensible to someone. Yes, it is probably impossible to explain. But a comparison is possible.
      What everyone knows. The betrayal of Judah.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 1 July 2016 06: 04
        +3
        And let's remember Germany at the end of the 20th and beginning of the 30s of the last century .. People lived poorly, the economy was in collapse, a political mess. But they were friends with Moscow .. Hitler came, united the Germans on the idea of ​​nationalism, and off it went .. To death. That the same thing is happening with the current country of U. The population was able to unite on the basis of the reflection of imaginary aggression, a common enemy and the same nationalism. I do not think that they will climb into the fray, this is the death for this misunderstanding. But there will be many floundering, which is more likely to happen. years ..
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 1 July 2016 07: 49
          +1
          Quote: dmi.pris
          I don’t think they will get into a fight

          they’ll not get into a fight. the gut is thin. but they will crap on all fronts
          1. Al1977
            Al1977 1 July 2016 12: 48
            -2
            Quote: Lukich
            the fight will not climb. the gut is thin. but they will crap on all fronts

            Who will spoil anyone? What for?
        2. 34 region
          34 region 1 July 2016 08: 14
          +1
          Pris! 06.04/XNUMX. Why look so far? May be closer. Like Yugoslavia, Afghanistan ... They also seemed to live like that. And now ISIS united and off and on! And also reminds Hitler Germany. Ukraine does not resemble Hitler's time and the Jews? Only in the role of Jews are Russians now. How are these analogies?
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 1 July 2016 06: 06
        +6
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Yes, it’s probably impossible to explain.

        On the contrary, everything is very simple. The article gives an example with Switzerland. Switzerland was an independent state with its own history. Yes, actually the same Germans live there, but they had their own history. But there has never been any Ukraine. Kievan Rus was, but not "Kievan Ukraine". It turns out that if we drop Russophobia, what will remain? Nothing. Initially, the Ukraine project could not but be Russophobic, simply because otherwise it would be meaningless in principle. And yes, in this sense, Russia is their worst enemy, simply because it is the enemy of the very idea of ​​"Ukrainism".
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 1 July 2016 06: 24
          +1
          For too long, Russia nursed them. Russia has always behaved nobly. The more they were helped for free, the more they hated Russia. That's such a vile thing.
          And RUSSIA is both noble and strong !!! Here.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 1 July 2016 08: 21
          +1
          Drt2027! 06.06. Although Switzerland was an independent country with almost Germans, there was a plan to capture Switzerland. Plan * Spruce *. And neutral Switzerland helped Germany until April of the 45th year. Good independent and neutral country !? With Ukraine. The project could be anything. Although anti-oligarchic as on the Maidan. The main thing is to grow discord and hatred. Well, like seven. In the beginning, liu, liu, and then, kill! First kitty, then mare!
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 1 July 2016 17: 33
            +2
            Quote: Region 34
            Good independent and neutral country !?

            This is not about that. It’s just that when a country, even being an ethnic part of another state, has its own story, it won’t go out of its way proving its exclusivity.
            Quote: Region 34
            The project could be anything. Although anti-oligarchic as on the Maidan. The main thing is to grow discord and hatred.

            And there can be nothing but discord. If Ukraine does not curse the "maskals", then the question will arise - why is it needed at all?
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 1 July 2016 06: 56
      +4
      Russia extended counter sanctions for 2017. The West has howled that Putin is acting dishonestly. What's wrong with that? We did not impose this game without rules.
    5. Lukich
      Lukich 1 July 2016 07: 45
      +2
      Quote: B.T.W.
      "There's something interesting ahead."

      we take seats in the orchestra, stock up on beer and fish and carefully watch the play called the death of the "Gayrotitanik"
      1. 34 region
        34 region 1 July 2016 08: 31
        +1
        Lukich! 07.45. I do not want to watch such performances. While the play * The death of the Middle East *. And the performance is not at all cheerful. Although these directors have all the shows. You just won’t be able to watch. The director will try to make everyone involved in this production. And everyone can be in the role of the executioner or the victim. Take Iraq. At first there were executioners and demolished the monuments to Hussein. And then? And then they were sent to die in ISIS. Do you go? Was there a great choice? How did you live in the 90s? Does the situation on the outskirts resemble nothing? There are also demolished monuments.
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 1 July 2016 09: 23
          -1
          Quote: Region 34
          Lukich! 07.45. I do not want to watch such performances

          but what depends on us? GDP persuade them not to scatter? it remains only to observe
  2. Yarik76
    Yarik76 1 July 2016 05: 30
    +8
    Well, the conclusion for me is this: when the options for moves on a chessboard end, the board itself goes into play! Ears are my ears! A classic of Soviet cinema.
  3. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 1 July 2016 05: 33
    +2
    Great, just beyond praise and beyond competition! To the author, Bravo! drinks
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 1 July 2016 05: 34
    +6
    Everything is so beautifully messed up! Gordian knot resting on the sidelines!
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 1 July 2016 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Everything is so beautifully messed up! Gordian knot resting on the sidelines!

      You can’t even imagine what a Gordian knot! In order.
      Article (+), but ...
      1. For some reason, Cameron, Merkel and Hollande are represented as independent actors. Sorry, if Obama is a cardboard president, then these are exactly examples, pieces of paper and a candy wrapper. So we do not see the Director, as it should be.
      2. Does the EU need adjustment? What's the matter, it will be, but not the same as ours. The peoples are told to smash, then smash, drive the migrants, and then restore order with an iron hand to United Europe. Whether the Poles will steer the Germans, anyway, at the direction of England-USA.
  5. engineering
    engineering 1 July 2016 05: 35
    +2
    Thank you Oleg for the excellent analytical article, very intelligible, complete and capacious.

    I apologize to the author for the last comment "article of June 19. Hot summer of 1941-42. Part 2", but then I definitely did not understand anything from that confusion.
    Hot summer 1941-42. Part of 2
    Oleg, no offense, who told you that you can be a historical expert?
  6. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 1 July 2016 05: 38
    +3
    I liked the article, I think that the author briefly, competently and interestingly analyzed the political situation in Europe. The author's position on the "brotherhood" of the Ukrainian people is also interesting, as well as on the leadership in the article.
    Thanks to the author, I have not come across good analytics on the site for a long time. hi
    1. Lyton
      Lyton 1 July 2016 06: 02
      0
      Yes, the article is funny, but we don’t even know and don’t see half, God forbid that our helmsmen act correctly from their position and vision of problems.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 1 July 2016 08: 37
        +1
        Leaton! 06.02/XNUMX. Can you evaluate the actions of the management yourself? There is no money in the budget, you need to sell something! They didn’t expect it, but then the prices fell! It is necessary to invite foreign investors! Here is their vision of the problems. Your word, comrade Mauser!
  7. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 1 July 2016 05: 54
    0
    I completely agree with the author. War would not be allowed in our direction.
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    2. 34 region
      34 region 1 July 2016 08: 40
      +3
      Sarmatian149! 05.54. In your opinion, the war does not go today? Sanctions is not a war? Media Chorus is not a war? Is the surrender of the Warsaw bloc and the CMEA countries not a war? NATO expansion is not a war?
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 1 July 2016 10: 27
        -1
        Not war, but preparation for it.
        Or consider your menacing statements as a war? Thunder is booming - this is the sky fighting the earth! )))
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 July 2016 06: 02
    +2
    The article is full of crap, well, half for sure. As an author famously did away with those who nevertheless take a pro-Russian position, as if there were none. It’s like sheer hatred of the Russians. I would look at this idiot, how he would express his opinion under the conditions of the Gestapo regime, when they put in jail for innocent words. That's when they go forward to Kiev and further, then we'll see who is for whom. It’s not yet evening, and not horseradish bury the living.
    As for Oyropa and subsequent events regarding the preservation of the EU, then my grandmother said in two. It will be shorter or not, fifty to fifty. And do not argue so categorically what will be there and how. Your little article, continuous ordering, but under the guise of independent analytics.
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 1 July 2016 06: 35
      +6
      Ros 56 (2)
      That's when they go forward to Kiev and further

      Let the immodest question. And who will go to Kiev and beyond?
      then we'll see who for whom.

      You, as I understand it, are not going to go? Will you look from the sofa on the box with a beer brewer and chips?
      Cool position. Almost like the Ukrainians. Who would do for us, but my hut is on the edge.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 1 July 2016 08: 44
        0
        Kos ...! 06.35. And you can raise the question differently. Who is coming to us from Kiev? We are for peace !? Well, greatly reduced the number of dill from the decline in LDNR? Did we run a lot from Kiev?
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 1 July 2016 12: 01
        +3
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Who would do for us, but my hut is on the edge.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 1 July 2016 20: 30
        0
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        You, as I understand it, are not going to go


        Yes, I would have gone without your jokes, but I’m the seventh dozen. But what are you doing on the couch? But by the way, my students were there.
    2. Olezhek
      1 July 2016 09: 12
      +3
      As an author famously did away with those who nevertheless take a pro-Russian position, as if there were none. It’s like sheer hatred of the Russians.


      No, it’s not continuous, but such a general background.

      The silent majority supports the junta. Hates, but supports.
      Pro-Russian sentiments - the lot of few and to the Maidan. Minorities.
    3. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 1 July 2016 09: 32
      +3
      Totally agree with you. I took the trouble to read the article with the greatest possible attention. and this, due to constant emotional retreats, is not so simple. But still I did not understand what the HPP consists of in the opinion of the author and why his plan wins. If the victory is another extension of the sanctions, well, I'm sorry! I believe that it is worth refraining from superficial judgment such as Ukrainians are enemies, Belarusians are friends. Both those and other nations are made up of people who have very different opinions. They have, but not always express to an outsider!
  9. Aleksander
    Aleksander 1 July 2016 06: 02
    +7
    Even in conditions of overt aggression by Kiev. What would happen if the Russian troops were introduced from Kharkov to Odessa, I’m even afraid to guess.

    In order not to be so fearful, you need to know the story and turn to it.
    Russian troops entered Novorossiya (flesh and flesh Russia) twice: in 1918-20 and in 1943-44: no one ever resisted them (they consisted largely of New Russians), several thousand or even tens of thousands of policemen or gaydamaks did not defined pictures: traitors in the same proportion were in native Russia. In Western Ukraine and even central, the situation was different.
    Transnistria (from where Russian troops never left) and Crimea are also integral parts the same Novorossiysk Territory-Where are there problems for Russia and its troops?

    PS My grandmother, born and studied in RUSSIAN Odessa, to the question: how did the inhabitants of Odessa perceive the inclusion of Odessa in Ukraine, answered: "Like an Odessa anecdote!"
    1. 34 region
      34 region 1 July 2016 08: 50
      +1
      Alexander! 06.02/XNUMX. What are the problems for Russia and its troops? Why didn’t they follow Strelkov? Why do not run to LDNR? Why do refugees from the outskirts travel across Russia with a yellow-black flag in a car? Why are there no protests against the current authorities in Kiev?
      1. Krasniy_lis
        Krasniy_lis 1 July 2016 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: Region 34
        Why do not run to LDNR

        running and not a few. There are a lot of people from Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Kharkov.
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 1 July 2016 06: 07
    -3
    well, thank God one more talker was reprimanded ... but there wasn’t a single way to solve the situation in the Donbass, and even to Satanovsky he was like cancer to China ...
    1. Olezhek
      1 July 2016 09: 14
      0
      yes to Satanovsky


      Satan Arabs Specialist ...
  11. domokl
    domokl 1 July 2016 06: 13
    0
    Bravo to the author! Beautifully written. I read it with pleasure.
  12. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 1 July 2016 06: 18
    0
    The Germans (once again) led an openly anti-Russian policy, which now completely excludes the possibility of compromise with Moscow.

    And Nord Stream 2 is steadily moving towards implementation. Economics and politics are inextricable.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 1 July 2016 08: 54
      0
      Michael m! 06.18. Economics and politics are inextricable. The task is to make the Russians go bankrupt for the construction of the Northern Stream, and then send them. Here are politics and economics. If the EU flares up, then no flows will be needed. Let's say they invested in Libya. And where are these investments now?
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 1 July 2016 10: 32
        0
        Do you know the economic component of SV-2? Obviously not.
        There 49% have already been invested by large Western corporations. A little over 3 billion. Remind me: when did the west easily part with money?
        And one more thing: keep in mind that gas via SV-2 will become cheaper. And Poland and Germany can save up to a billion a year only because of this !!!
        Where else can you find such a quick payback of a billions of dollars project ?!
        Less for trying to conclude when you don’t know the materiel.
  13. ML-334
    ML-334 1 July 2016 06: 19
    0
    All your life to consider yourself "exceptional", to bet on the United States and lose, hence the hatred of Russians.
  14. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 1 July 2016 06: 24
    +1
    In theory, the resignation should be submitted not only to Cameron, but Merkel and Hollande

    They are already finalizing the deadlines and leaving.
  15. olhon
    olhon 1 July 2016 06: 44
    +1
    And in addition to all this papandos, BB extended anti-sanctions for a year and a half laughing
  16. Veltmajster
    Veltmajster 1 July 2016 06: 46
    +1
    ,, By lifting the sanctions, Europe will lose face "Did she have it? They went about England when Cameron threatened to leave the European Union, went about Turkey, when Erdogan scared migrants, obey the shouts from Washington ... What is there to lose?
  17. edos1979
    edos1979 1 July 2016 06: 53
    -3
    It’s cool to read comments. Excuse me gentlemen. And you don’t know that under the Minsk agreements Donbass is an integral part of Ukraine? And after transferring the border to the Ukropogranets, you will also change shoes in flight as after deflection with Turkey. You bend along with the party line. And maybe there is no HPP ? Maybe someone just brought up someone upstairs? in a cello case.
    1. Olezhek
      1 July 2016 09: 16
      0
      and after the transfer of the border to ukropogranets


      And why dill not take the border under control? What is the problem? When will they take it?
      Can you indicate the dates?
    2. Bramb
      Bramb 1 July 2016 10: 35
      +2
      Go read the Minsk agreements again!
      And then Ukrainians remind. There it is necessary to carry out them in order. In order!!! And this is important, and changes a lot.
      Learn materiel!
  18. korvin1976
    korvin1976 1 July 2016 06: 55
    +4
    A good article, but there is one thing, but ..... I do not agree with the author that the Ukrainian people are not our brother and their behavior is not entirely clear.
    Just this behavior fits into the standard psychological matrix:
    There was a family: father, mother, and three sons. The elder (Russia), middle (Belarus) and the youngest (Ukraine), and the youngest, as a rule, were a favorite in such a situation, he was cared for and cherished by his parents.
    And now the parents were gone (USSR), it was hard for the sons. I had to share a family scrub, and as it happened to the elder, on whom was the whole household, all the debts of the family and other amenities of life remained. Each remained with his inheritance and allotment. The eldest and middle sons continued to live in much the same way as they did before, but the younger started having problems, he was not used to working, he was used to being a favorite, he was used to living at the expense of family wealth. And when the youngest ended, what he was given during the division of property, problems and resentments began.
    I think many people have met such a situation in life, perhaps at home, perhaps at their acquaintances, but this is a normal life situation, to say that it is normal ?! no is not normal, but it is the truth of life.

    I live in Novomoskovsk, Tula region. So here we have this: Novomoskovsk agglomeration which includes: Novomoskovsk, Uzlovaya, Donskoy and Kimovsk. Why agglomeration? Because all these cities are within walking distance from each other, neighbors look into each other's windows.
    If we draw an analogy with the above, then:
    Novomoskovsk - Russia
    Uzlovaya - Belarus
    Donskoy - Ukraine
    Kimovsk - Kazakhstan
    And believe me, there are so many common signs that you sometimes wonder. Despite the "step-by-step" accessibility, people can be defined by their dialects: in the Donskys it really looks like Ukrainian, in Uzlovaya it looks like Belarusians.
    Novomoskovsk has its own Kaliningrad - Sokolniki
    And you already believe that Donskoy is the same Ukraine for Novomoskovsk, the same envy, and the same bitterness. If at one time Novomoskovsk was able to leave and develop production, then in Donskoye for the most part it all fell apart, of course there is something else that remains, but .....
    For this reason, I am observing these relations not somewhere, really in my own right, and there are too many analogies.
    And to say that Ukraine, in my case Donskoy, is not a fraternal people, it’s strangers to us, I think it’s fundamentally wrong. Too much binds us, and what is envy, is anger and there are some kind of incomprehensible resentment, you can’t get anywhere from this.
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 1 July 2016 10: 38
      +2
      Another relative is worse than an intruder.
      Do not need such brothers to us!
      What do you propose to do with them? Feed them again - they will begin to prostitute again. No, really. Let yourself. All by yourself. And fuck them over the threshold!
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 July 2016 06: 55
    -1
    in relations between Russia and Ukraine, everything finally fell into place

    I wouldn't say that. In addition to the request from Ukraine for the supply of electricity, there was a request for the supply of gas. Russia quickly responded, and gas will be supplied at a price of $ 168, which is much lower than in Europe. Going to a meeting with Ukraine (the "brotherly people"), we ourselves once again supported the Kiev junta. And the "brotherly people" in the person of their politicians laughingly on the sidelines discusses how they once again cheated these simpletons Russians, who help them Svidomo find fault with Russia with insults and unfounded accusations. So, what fell into place?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 1 July 2016 07: 47
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      In addition to a request from Ukraine for electricity supplies a request for gas supply was received. Russia quickly responded, and gas will be supplied at a price of $ 168, which is much lower than to Europe. Going to a meeting with Ukraine ("the brotherly people"), we once again supported the Kiev junta

      - and now, as it really is:

      Quote: https://lenta.ru/news/2016/06/30/gazpromnaftogaz/
      ... According to Miller, Kiev asks to deliver 3 billion cubic meters of gas in the third quarter, however, for this prepayment required... "The price for Ukraine according to the price formula for the contract that was signed in 2009 is $ 167 57 cents for the third quarter," Miller said

      - You see ... the price of gas in the contract is tied to the price of Brent oil. This price, as you, of course, know now ... is not the highest (about $ 50 per barrel)
      - hence the price of gas for Ukraine. To the 3rd quarter of 2016. Prepaid ...

      That's something like ...
    2. Bramb
      Bramb 1 July 2016 10: 43
      +3
      But where do you come from? !!
      I give educational program: the gas price by Gazprom is set from the oil price with a time delay of 6-9 months. The biggest decline in oil prices was at the end of last year: almost 50%. Therefore, gas for Europe is also the lowest in recent years 10. And, accordingly, for Ukraine too.
      Now fell into place with you?
      Stop making idiotic conclusions without knowing the materiel !!! ((((
  20. oblako
    oblako 1 July 2016 07: 00
    +6
    All, ALL processes organized by man in the world of limited resources function according to the principle of a financial pyramid. Those who are at the top of this pyramid are skimming the cream (the positive aspects of its functioning), those who are below reconcile themselves with wealth above the average, those who are closer to the base look up and cherish hopes and suffer losses financing those who are higher. When at the base of the pyramid there is an understanding of what is happening, the pyramid collapses, the organizers are judged ... But there are those of the organizers who "knocked down" in time - this is basically all you need to know about the British Exzit. You understand that the pyramid cannot function without involving new members to finance its peak. Hence Ukraine and the new members of NATO and the global trade agreement with the United States. But there are those who were late to join the pyramid ... They were persuaded for a long time, showed that they are suckers, because they live outside this pyramid, they doubted for a long time, suffered, tried on and finally decided. Maidan, tires, heavenly hundred, the wide-open eyes of the intellectual Klitschko: "not only all this can be done" - they joined ... like a bae. But without visas so far, but so far with costs, but tomorrow it will be like in Europe - "jackpot and whores" bear with the crumbs ... Suffer for now. But the epiphany is not far off, although it will not be quick, we do not have 5 American lards for this and we do not need to harbor illusions. Hatred as a state ideology certainly unites. External common enemy, etc. 5 American lards invested in the formation of a picture of the world are working in Ukrainian heads. And since they work, then there should be no illusions about the "brotherhood of peoples". There was a brotherhood of peoples in the USSR and only there it is possible. Now no illusions. Ukraine is an enemy, just as a traitor who speaks the same language with you can be an enemy. It is clear that the categories are different, and any comparisons are flawed, but for clarity it will do. If a person hates you, he is your enemy and there are only two known ways out ... Which one is worse? Both are worse ... Since it was before it will no longer be. Minsk -2 is of course a dead end, I completely agree with the author, but one can speculate about the interesting position of Russia, it is even more interesting than it is described and it seems ... Firstly, in relations with the Western Pyramid we have one position, so that the West to survive, we must put Russia at the base of this pyramid - this is the law of its functioning and a way to save life. Is there a greater incentive to be active. That is why the West will never lag behind us until this civilization and the "pyramidal principle" of its functioning disappear. And what about Russia? Does it have to form a new pyramid along with China or form a new principle of functioning, different from the pyramidal one? It's time to take a closer look at the ghosts roaming Europe ...))) ba !!! yes, he already wanders all over the globe ...
    1. gorozhanka74
      gorozhanka74 1 July 2016 07: 43
      +1
      Everything is true to a single word, and about "brothers", and sworn friends, and enemies ...
  21. bald
    bald 1 July 2016 07: 01
    +2
    Yes! Europe one to one witch’s brew. And in this mess continue to throw all sorts of insects from behind the hill.
  22. Egoza
    Egoza 1 July 2016 07: 12
    +6
    It is a pity that the author did not notice the pro-Russian people in Ukraine. Why then are the SBU's prisons full, and even the OSCE has recognized this? How many people "disappeared"? And how many left for Donbass to fight with the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And why is it so urgent in Ukraine to try to educate children "correctly" in schools and kindergartens? Is it because not only veterans go out on Victory Day, but also young people? Is it because they stubbornly speak Russian, although everywhere they demand to speak Ukrainian? Why was A. Alexandrovskaya arrested at a run? They try to remove everyone who people follow. All the separatists! So too early all the inhabitants of Ukraine were registered as "non-brothers"
    1. Olezhek
      1 July 2016 09: 19
      +2
      It is unfortunate that the author did not notice pro-Russian people in Ukraine.


      They are in Germany and in Poland and Japan.

      Question in quantity ...

      In "free" Ukraine BEFORE Maidan-2 there were no mass pro-Russian sentiments.
      That is, when they didn’t put it yet, they were not there.
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  24. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 July 2016 07: 33
    0
    Until the partners from the United States and Europe stop playing Minsk-n, they will give up their attempts to clean up the territory of Ukraine with someone else's hands. They have no other interest.
  25. guzik007
    guzik007 1 July 2016 07: 41
    0
    In general, yes, in the Donbass there was a war and tragedy, people died.
    -------------------------------------------------- ----------------
    Oh how! play big politics, author?
    "Generally yes" (as I looked through a microscope). But this is not "actually" - these are living people and their children.
    ... actually yes ...
    1. Olezhek
      1 July 2016 09: 21
      -1
      "Generally yes" (as I looked through a microscope)
      But this is not "actually" - these are living people and their children.


      Comrad, you asked a very good question, but this is not for me, for the mass of those Russians who admire "civilized Europe" If not for one ...
      Then people in the Donbass would not die ..
      Wrong question
  26. igordok
    igordok 1 July 2016 07: 56
    +1
    ... And then such a zrad was drawn ...

    It seems to me that the word "zrada" - will become a word-parasite in the Russian language. They will use it for a very long time.
  27. Arkan
    Arkan 1 July 2016 08: 27
    0
    Yes, shaving in his repertoire. Regarding Ukrainians, let their phobias remain with them, do not mind them, their offspring, it's time to forget them.
  28. antivirus
    antivirus 1 July 2016 08: 36
    0
    Quote: 34 region
    Shucher! 06.43. Why is the fire going to burn out? Since the 90s, it has flared up more and more. And we all sit and sit! And we are waiting for it to burn out! And why should he burn out? After all, the brushwood of war is constantly thrown into it! Maybe we are wrapped in this brushwood to burn at the stake !? As in the Middle Ages they burned. If our king were so smart, he would not stand constantly with outstretched hands and did not beg for help from the West. We need this and this. Who will do this to us? We do not have money. Something must be sold! And is that wisdom? Will you bend your fingers for me? Doesn’t resemble anything?

    it all starts with a kindergarten teacher. Watch the programs of work with children for 2016 and up to 20-30 years ago + 50-70 years before the death of a generation (average will continue to live) and we will get the burning time of the fire and problems with "SOMALI" Surkov does not make keynote speeches in front of the party activists in Kharkiv and Zaporozhye regions (and does not give CU: but in kindergartens you need to say so and so) So, for another 10 (?) years, we will drive the gum convoy
    You can make a lot of things here, but it’s easier to do what you should do, rather than wait for Nuland (translate SOMALI into domestic politics. Who wants it)
  29. prior
    prior 1 July 2016 08: 58
    0
    Let's wait.
    Two more - three referenda in Europe and the Crimean referendum are recognized as legitimate (and why is it worse than the British),
    and the accession of Crimea is legal.
    Further, the referendum on the Donbass (the people of Donbass also have the right to their own opinion), Transnistria, Abkhazia, .... and further on the list. Not far off Odessa, Kharkov and .... Lviv.
    Stocking up popcorn ...
  30. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 1 July 2016 09: 14
    0
    I would like to read an article that began with the words: I recently visited Ukraine ... Because it seems that this is largely a personal view of the author, and not the real situation in Ukraine.
  31. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 1 July 2016 10: 26
    +1
    In fact, the proud Britons set up a "pretty fire in a brothel during a flood ...". Honor and praise be to them! It's nice to live when they have an interesting time ... laughing

    Thank you author! I have not read good articles for a long time hi
  32. bogdan4ik
    bogdan4ik 1 July 2016 10: 33
    -2
    The article is poor. Written boringly. And I liked the ending, after extensive scribbling, the conclusion is that everything is confused. Putin is deciding the issue, now, which is more important than Ukraine's 100. Elections and constitutional reform. After the repeal of the illegal, unconstitutional act on the dissolution of the USSR, then all the "independent" republics will be returned back to the USSR, or to Russia. And the war on
    Donbas, in Syria it is such a substitute for a world war, or rather the US war with Russia.
  33. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 1 July 2016 11: 18
    +1
    As my CHEF (also Egorov, only VN) says: "" Don't pour water ", let's get it done!" And the essence lies in the question: "Who is the donor (cash cow) in the EU budget? Who is the sponsor of the war in Donbass?" as soon as Merkel - Hitler gave Parasha money "for the restoration of Donbass", immediately pearl dill on the offensive !? And now money for "all the poor and the poor" like Greece, Turkey (?), The Baltic states, Poland will not be enough? Not that Dill "will drop something from the master's table"? And there, following the "interests of gentlemen" and the French "monsieur" will declare their unwillingness to contain Roma from Albania, Romania and Bulgaria, parasitic Greeks and other marginal euro rabble! Practical Dutch and calculating Belgians (Benelux) will be next "jump off the kukan"! Then the "macaroni" and "toreadors" .... And then the "Herrs" and "Frau" will ask a reasonable question to their "Fraulein Angela": "And what are we doing in the EU? And where do our" fascist tugriks "go? To friends - the fascists in Dill? Would you like Frau Hitler to return our Eurekas and go to hell .... "!!!
  34. 91vlad43
    91vlad43 1 July 2016 12: 22
    +1
    Why doesn't Russia cover Poroshenko's business? Taxes? So this is a penny ... It's bad that many damned Joseph did not finish off the fascist Bandera. Our Western "partners" would have no one to stand up for. And if you turn off the gas cock? We, then, ordinary Russians are not used to tightening their belts. But well-fed Germans, French and others like them ... Well, the "great mighty Soviet Union" lived in conditions that were much cooler than these sanctions. Our country is self-sufficient, although there were no oligarchs in those days. There would be a will ... Who? At the Government? Yes, it lives on another planet. His head doesn't understand a damn about economics (although lawyers seem to get a decent education in economics - Medvedev is probably the exception). As for Putin, it is probably more pleasant (and even easier) to do foreign affairs and drive tea with Medvedev than to rake the "Augean stables" (And manure, that is, shit has accumulated ...)
    1. Olezhek
      2 July 2016 09: 38
      0
      And why Russia does not cover Poroshenko’s business at home?


      And who is Poroshenko? belay
  35. Al1977
    Al1977 1 July 2016 12: 49
    -1
    First: Putin will not retreat anywhere, forget. The idea that the Russian Federation "quietly" merges the Donbass, and the EU is withdrawing sanctions in response (that’s what our European friends and European enemies are now offering), Putin is not interested. Forget like a bad dream. But they have no other proposals.

    And how is Putin represented in the Donbass?
    What does it mean to "drain", what exactly to drain.
    We are not there. This is the president said.
    Do you know. what Putin will be and what not?
    You can also predict the euro next year ... Although this is more predictable than Putin.
    Where are the predictions of this tuner about entering and the same conclusion from Syria, about Turkey, etc.?
    I read and forgot, an article about it
  36. Al1977
    Al1977 1 July 2016 13: 48
    0
    Donbass project is closed, what's the point of discussing something here. Discuss latak, or perdogan, this is closer to us. And Ukrainians, so they all need.
  37. Vorchun
    Vorchun 1 July 2016 15: 16
    0
    Quote: Krasniy_lis
    Are you definitely Russian? Or maybe a liberal?
    !!!
  38. Naum
    Naum 3 July 2016 19: 37
    0
    Quote: oblako
    ghosts roaming around Europe ...)

    God forbid us to repeat this terrible "rake trip" ... Everything was in the USSR and there was no need to idealize that Soviet "pyramid", at the top of which was the Communist Party