Deceit and love. What does Erdogan want?

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The Turkish president made a smart move. In a short time, just a couple of steps shook the political "swamp" in Europe and even in the world. Two days political analysts and journalists speak about Erdogan’s letter to Putin. Two days the most popular thing in this environment is the coffee grounds. In this substance, it is believed, everyone can guess.



Erdogan’s actions do cause some shock. The longstanding conflict between Turkey and Israel was suddenly resolved. The months-long conflict with Russia is also at the resolution stage. And on the contrary, the almost come true dream of the Turks to become European Union failed miserably. Moreover, even the question of visa-free regime is not resolved.

I will not restrain myself from the general euphoria. Why, the great victory of Russian foreign policy! And a victory unexpected for the politicians themselves. And does it happen? And is there a reason for "distributing elephants"? This is what I want to reflect on today.

Turkey is the most at war with Russia. According to some experts, we are constantly fighting for about 65-67 years! What just was not the reason for these wars. And the Crimea, and the Balkans, and the Caucasus. In other matters, in fairness, Turkey was not always the initiator of such wars. We also have a stigma in the gun.

Turkey is the only country about which, according to Mikhail Zadornov’s apt expression, we can say, like about Russia, - Aziopa. A country whose geopolitical position simply obliges to become a bridge between Europe and Asia. In addition, the Turks, like us, are the heirs of the empire. So, somewhere deep down they have claims to restore their political weight in world politics.

Between us today is human life. More precisely, his death. Moreover, let me remind the reader of one of the first statements by President Putin. Backstab! Speaking to others, not in a diplomatic language, on the part of the Turks, we received treachery. A betrayal that is not forgiven. There is nothing worse than the betrayal of a friend. But this is how we perceived Turkey for many years.

I will try to consider the general situation around Erdogan. There is practically no neighbor of this country with which the Turks would maintain good neighborly relations. All enemies. NATO bluntly declared its unwillingness to participate in the Russian-Turkish "showdown." The European Union, as I wrote above, is also doing everything to prevent the Turks from entering its territory. Israel, too, is looking dubiously at the suddenly bursting friendship. There will be no refusal to cooperate, but he doesn’t have much confidence.

But the worst thing for Turkey is the cooling of relations with the United States and the almost complete cessation of relations with Russia. The Americans switched to direct assistance to the Kurds. Russia is actively helping Assad. In addition, there is help to Iran.

What awaits Turkey in the future? Why did Erdogan finally go to apologize to the family of the deceased pilot? By the way, this is exactly what is written in the letter. In the part that is published. I did not see any words of apology to the president. And to the people of Russia, too.

For seven months, the Turkish president tried to maintain Turkish influence in Syria. For seven months, there has been a struggle to preserve the “predatory ways” for oil from Syria. Seven months in his speeches, Erdogan accused Russia of violating the border. Seven months from the territory of Turkey, detachments of terrorists and military equipment were openly advanced. And most importantly, for seven months, the President of Turkey "put firewood" in the fire of nationalism and extremism in his own country.

And the letter to President Putin has now become a detonator precisely for the radical actions of these forces. It seems to me that those who considered Erdogan a Turkish nationalist will now take active steps to overthrow the president. Given the nature of these people, mass terrorist attacks in various parts of the republic should be expected. It should wait for the growth of civil war.

Thus, today the most decisive and unpopular measures within the country are needed. Before the introduction of martial law. Otherwise, we will soon get a new state - Kurdistan. And on the rest of the territory there are several quasi-states of local "sultans".

But back to the relations of Russia and Turkey. What will Putin do? On Wednesday there will be a telephone conversation between the presidents of Russia and Turkey. What will the presidents talk about?

The only question that is important today for Erdogan is the restoration of economic relations with Russia. Hundreds of billions of dollars, which Turkey will not receive this year, turned into a mine under the chair of the President of Turkey. This is not a small business that just quietly dies. These are large structures for which it is quite possible to buy a small army. In addition, Turkey needs to enlist Russia's support in the field of defense and security. As Syria has shown, it is Russia today that is able to really fight terrorism. The rest, alas, more imitate the struggle.

For Russia today, several aspects are important. First of all, Syria. As long as Turkey is on the side of the opponents of Assad, there can be no talk of normalizing relations. Only the complete cessation of confrontation and the cessation of military assistance to terrorists. In other words, Turkey should abandon attempts to become a regional player. And this demand will be made. And without discussion. Or...

The next demand should be the cessation of pressure on Azerbaijan on the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh. The conflict that smolders there is not needed by anyone. However, it is Turkey that constantly pushes Baku to solve the problem by force. Fortunately, the leadership of Azerbaijan has some political and economic sovereignty and political will.

Finally, what Erdogan has done today is not enough to normalize relations. Russia will not believe the claims of the Turks. We need specific cases. Including material compensation. And the Turks need to do this urgently.

On the whole, the victory, about which the “fighters for the good of the common people” so enthusiastically say, can be Pyrrhic. But only if Russia, according to our tradition, "enters the position of the poor" and does not demand it. And do not shout today about restoring relations, about the possibility of relaxing in Turkish resorts, about Turkish “tomatoes” at last.

When you cling the leg to the nail, you need an instant for a hole to appear. But darn is a pretty long process. But even with quality work your pants will never be the same as before.

For now, it should be understood that today the dialogue is just beginning. Only dialogue. And it is doubtful that the Turks agreed immediately to the conditions put forward by Russia. And there is no other way to establish peace in the region. Putin is always consistent in his actions, and it is problematic to “persuade” him to abandon his words.
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  1. 0
    30 June 2016 06: 24
    "The East is a delicate matter, Petruha! !!!"
    1. +19
      30 June 2016 06: 37
      What's so thin? Eastern man respects strength. But any manifestation of pity or an attempt to understand it is perceived as weakness. And the weak are beaten.
      1. +5
        30 June 2016 09: 18
        Yeah, and here the question arises: why did the farther promise Putin that we are starting to establish relations with the Turks, with what fright, I personally don’t believe the words of the Sultan, there are clearly some selfish motives, without even taking into account tomatoes and the travel industry, it is inconsistently obtained on our part.
    2. +3
      30 June 2016 11: 35
      Or maybe we just didn’t know the truth and still don’t know. The powers of the world are spinning in completely different realities than we are mere mortals. We can only guess and guess without stopping. Here is the question of trusting the ruler or not, for me the answer is obvious, but for you? And yes, of course, the people will demand to get wet without stopping Perdogan in the mud, but how much is it in the interests of Russia? as I said: only the Supreme Solitaire is completely decomposed. And forget the slaves already about tomatoes .. they threw you a phrase, you grabbed onto ..
  2. +2
    30 June 2016 06: 41
    He wants the same thing as Ostap Bender's childhood friend "Kostya Ostenbaken from the Polish beauty Inga Zayonts" (C). And quickly and without consequences, but with dividends. But this is unlikely. Geopolitics is a tricky thing, which only the Darkest will not do for the sake of their goals, but the former "love" will no longer be, public opinion will still have to be reckoned with, and it shows that more than 80% of the population see Turkey as an enemy.
  3. +2
    30 June 2016 06: 57
    It is not necessary to confuse the concepts of Turkey as an economic partner, Turkey as a not quite adequate state and Erdogan as a person. These are different concepts for Russia. Erdogan is not eternal, Turkey’s economic dependence on Russia is and will be, and Turkey will deal with time as a terrorist state.
    1. +2
      30 June 2016 07: 03
      What time will it take ... And who will figure it out with Peshkov? An economic partner who is a political opponent? An interesting approach.
      No one will go to a complete breakup. but recovery takes time. Not a month, not a year, not even a decade. This is a matter of several decades.
    2. +6
      30 June 2016 08: 49
      It seems to me that Erdoогan’s sudden confession of his guilt and an apology for the downed SU-24 are not connected with the empty beaches of Antalya. The Sultan specifically became ill.

      Judge for yourself: the Americans did not accept his irresponsible position on the Kurds and turned their backs on him (and in general - they have no time for Turkey now. They have enough of their own problems.); Europe got tired of enduring his rudeness and outright blackmail and they took a tough position; all neighbors, in general, are listed as enemies; Putin said that the current leadership of Turkey will not get off with tomatoes alone (and the whole world is already used to taking the words of GDP seriously). Add to this the Kurds, the opposition and the grumbling of the military who have been pushed aside. In addition, tame Turkoman fighters, ISIS and Al-Nusra are crushing everything and cheap contraband oil runs out. What's left? “The king is naked!” No friends, no allies, no money. And in the East, the weak are killed.

      It seems Erdogan specifically became hot. Putin does not throw words into the wind. Seven months is enough time to prepare for a retaliation operation. For example, the hands of the Kurds or the same military. So he ran to Putin to kiss his hands.

      I see it this way.
      1. -1
        30 June 2016 09: 25
        Quote: Monos
        It seems to me that Erdogan’s sudden confession of guilt and an apology for the downed SU-24

        apologies to the pilot's family for his death. There were no apologies for the downed plane, much less a plea for something there
        Quote: Monos
        For example, the hands of the Kurds or the same military. So he ran to Putin to kiss his hands.
        The US Kurds are sponsored, and it’s Putin ran to call Erdogan himself, and immediately lifted all sanctions, so who, whom, what he kissed is still unknown
        1. +5
          30 June 2016 18: 38
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          and this - Putin ran to call Erdogan himself


          You live in some kind of illusory world. It's time to wake up or grow up. In any case, stop making the brain to people with various liberalistic stupidities.
      2. -1
        30 June 2016 09: 49
        I see it this way.

        Another HPP? Oh well...
        1. +5
          30 June 2016 18: 35
          Quote: AK64
          Another HPP? Oh well...


          And what does your "HPP" mean? Judging by your love of acronyms, you are "dill". Well, sit in your shit.
          1. +2
            30 June 2016 18: 59
            Quote: Monos
            And what does your "HPP" mean? Judging by your love of acronyms, you are "dill". Well, sit in your shit

            - you are careful with AKS74U AK64 belay
            - otherwise it will declare you a "boor" and send you to its emergency situation (he has there, the campaign is already half of the inhabitants of VO counts) crying
            1. +6
              30 June 2016 19: 09
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - You are more careful with AKS74U AK64 - otherwise it will declare you a "boor" and send you to its emergency situations (he has there, the campaign already has half of the inhabitants of VO counts)


              So I will be in good company. laughing
    3. +6
      30 June 2016 09: 48
      It is not necessary to confuse the concepts of Turkey as an economic partner, Turkey as a not quite adequate state and Erdogan as a person. These are different concepts for Russia. Erdogan is not eternal, Turkey’s economic dependence on Russia is and will be, and Turkey will deal with time as a terrorist state.


      Oh yes stop it!

      Turkey has been and is an enemy of Russia for 500 years. 500 years! And it will always be so. It was so, is and will be simply by virtue of the geopolitical alignment.
  4. +1
    30 June 2016 06: 58
    The article is correct and the directions of work of our Foreign Ministry are also indicated correctly. The only thing about tourism is from the same series as the apologies of the Turks. Yes, they kind of opened it, but who will fly there now under such circumstances !!! When everyone blows up there. Surely, Tourism will require tour operators to insure tourists and insure in full, so that in the event of a terrorist attack, not the state should pay.
    1. +2
      30 June 2016 08: 38
      Quote: PDM80
      The article is correct and the directions of work of our Foreign Ministry are also indicated correctly. The only thing about tourism is from the same series as the apologies of the Turks. Yes, they kind of opened it, but who will fly there now under such circumstances !!! When everyone blows up there. Surely, Tourism will require tour operators to insure tourists and insure in full, so that in the event of a terrorist attack, not the state should pay.

      Fly even like. When still our tourist stopped before the threat of some sort of explosions. And now, ten meters from all this mess with four hundred victims, our children's ensemble from Tatarstan turned out to be.
    2. 0
      1 July 2016 08: 15
      To insure in full, you will oblige someone. And then to bring the insured coffins to our country? Maybe you don’t have to guess and decide on the prohibition of tourist trips to Turkey.
  5. 0
    30 June 2016 07: 01
    Well, because the dream of Europe failed and Brother Obama turned out to be not a brother, then the issue with Israel was quickly resolved, and the words for the letter "I'm sorry Vova" were found. Nobody wants to become like the DPRK in complete isolation.
  6. +3
    30 June 2016 07: 05
    What does Erdogan want?

    And he wants to remain in his own interests (close ties with ISIS, the smuggling of Syrian oil, the image of a guardian for the Turkish people, etc.) to restore tourist flow from Russia and the lifting of food sanctions. At the same time, it is not too obligatory for our country to remain, but to receive as much as possible from us. But this is the work of diplomats. They will throw us once again or not on how they will agree and which hard line they will build.
  7. -2
    30 June 2016 07: 27
    For now, it should be understood that today the dialogue is just beginning. Only dialogue. And it is doubtful that the Turks would immediately agree to the conditions put forward by Russia. ... Absolutely true .. I’ll add and the dialogue will be difficult .. But the ball is on our side .. Erdogan has nowhere to go .. In other words .. There are methods against Kostya Saprykin ..
  8. +5
    30 June 2016 07: 33
    "... Including material compensation. And the Turks need to do this urgently."

    Yeah, "... On Wednesday, June 29, Russia and Turkey agreed to lift the restriction on Russian tourists visiting the republic. Experts in the travel industry have already announced that air traffic between the states will be restored within a month." Https://lenta.ru/ articles / 2016/06/29 / aram_zam_zam /

    so, something tells me that if there is compensation, then it will be formed from the income received from the tourism business
    1. 0
      30 June 2016 10: 55
      laughing The Association of Russian Tour Operators has expressed doubt that it will be able to ensure the flow of tourists to Turkey this year ...
      In general, tourism costs Turkey approximately 3 billion US rubles. but the builders brought more than fifty billion .. and there is no talk about this area yet ...
  9. +1
    30 June 2016 08: 39
    Quote: sa-ag
    "... Including material compensation. And the Turks need to do this urgently."

    Yeah, "... On Wednesday, June 29, Russia and Turkey agreed to lift the restriction on Russian tourists visiting the republic. Experts in the travel industry have already announced that air traffic between the states will be restored within a month." Https://lenta.ru/ articles / 2016/06/29 / aram_zam_zam /

    so, something tells me that if there is compensation, then it will be formed from the income received from the tourism business

    Erdogan is still a rat. But it will make Russian tourists pay for our downed plane and losses from the food embargo.
    1. +2
      30 June 2016 08: 57
      Let them pay, no one forces them to go there ... Once upon a time in Turkey, and now in Crimea and Sochi - no worse
      1. 0
        30 June 2016 10: 58
        Quote: Air Defense SVSh
        and now in Crimea and Sochi - no worse

        I agree about Sochi. But in the Crimea ... Well, not so much I am unassuming to rest there. Invest and invest more money there ... In general, the Krasnodar Territory and the Crimea today in the established tourism industry, like under and the land ...
        At least I saw it that way ...
  10. +1
    30 June 2016 08: 39
    this zachukhmarenny Erdogan does not want anything, they want in Israel and the United States; and this poor sultan, if he doesn’t want to repeat the fate of Qadafi and Hussein, should trump his protégé on time and unconditionally fulfill what they tell him
  11. 0
    30 June 2016 08: 42
    The author absolutely did not mention the Russian help of the Kurdish army. We have traditional ties with Kurds. It is possible that this is the case.
    Anyone has to put up. A thin world is better than a good quarrel.
  12. +1
    30 June 2016 09: 18
    "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer." Maciavelli Niccolo di Bernardo (1469 - 1527)

    .. "he who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger even in a hundred battles
    he who does not know the enemy, but knows himself, will either win or lose
    one who knows neither the enemy nor himself will inevitably be defeated in every battle .. "Sun Tzu
  13. +9
    30 June 2016 09: 48
    I recall an episode from "History of the Russian Army" by AA Kersnovsky. It was in the middle of the century before last in the Caucasus, where Azerbaijan is now. The commander of the Azerbaijani fortress, with assurances of peace, invited the commander of the Russian unit, successfully advancing with battles, to tea. Words of apology, humility, friendship were spoken, a carpet was spread, a "clearing" was covered. And at some point, this half-Turk went behind our general's back, pulled out a saber and cut off his head. The orderly was also killed. The heads are on peaks above the walls ... - well, you know. The offensive ended without a commander.
    You can’t go to the world with them! You can’t substitute your back again! Press and push until you completely transmit.
    1. +3
      30 June 2016 11: 00
      Quote: Galleon
      You can’t substitute your back again!

      Can not argue with that. Right article title is remembered drinks
    2. +1
      30 June 2016 18: 57
      I looked through the History of the Russian Army of A. Kresnovsky. Here is the link: http://militera.lib.ru/h/kersnovsky1/index.html Something I did not notice your heartbreaking case of the insidious murder of a Russian officer. Is it just another Armenian tale about "insidious" and bloodthirsty Turks, or, in your words, "half-Turks"? Can you share the exact link? Otherwise, it will turn out according to Pikul, a fiction writer who shamelessly painted Ismail Khan of Nakhchevansky as a traitor (in the TV series this was further aggravated), who tried to transfer the Bayazid fortress to the Turks. In fact, it turned out that it was he who turned out to be loyal to the officer's honor and saved Bayazid from the Turks with his fearlessness, taking over the leadership of the fortress. By the way, his son, an officer of the Russian army, was seriously wounded while defending this fortress. Something I have not heard of such examples in the history of the Russian army. Read more from Rudolf Nikolaevich Ivanov (Caucasian specialist, professor): http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2003-11-28/5_bayazet.html
  14. -5
    30 June 2016 11: 30
    I put the article +, although the article is not complete from my point of view. I allow myself to the audience I respect, to express my personal opinion on this subject. From this article I support only one image - this is the image of torn pants, but for the rest you should look at the root. As you know, politics is a delicate and very dirty business, so a new round of political games begins, I explain. Erdogan is six, all the teams come from the gringo, so without delay a positive assessment was received from overseas of Erdogan's actions. Over seven months, the situation with our Shot Shot Flyer began to fade, and everything was already leading to a normalization of relations. At this moment, the Americans were in a shock, it was not in their rules to leave the operation incomplete (and I have no doubt that this operation was developed in the USA), even if it leads to complete collapse. After the normalization of Russian-Turkish relations, first of all, there will be a wish from the Turkish authorities to remove the Russian S-400 systems from Syria, on the grounds that we are friends again and further in order. At a press conference, GDP mentioned about friends in politics: There are no friends in politics, there are partners. Therefore, I am sure that the GDP has another joker in its sleeve for this case, it is not in vain that the Americans cannot calculate the next actions of the GDP. We are waiting for the development of the situation.
  15. +2
    30 June 2016 12: 32
    Yes, BB was specifically set up under Erdogan's divorce. Well, at least they would have taken a week to think it over, for decency. No, in 2 days they made friends again. It turns out all the words - it's zilch. A stab in the back comes out and you can endure it, we got off with tomatoes, Turkey is a country supporting extremists - it comes out partially supporting, and sovereign Syrian oil means not sovereign. How can you? It remains to receive congratulations from the residents of Sshans on the correct decision. And what will prevent them from pointing out these parallels? You didn’t blame Turkey for anything, but now you “understood and phostili” and then you were for these? I don't know, for me it looks like a setup.
  16. 0
    30 June 2016 12: 56
    All these events lead to alarming parallels. This truce is not a very pleasant sign.

    At VO there was a very good analytical article about Erdogan. The man is a pragmatist. Only business.

    Now about the worries.

    The British left the European Union to create neutrality between Russia and Europe.

    The Turks reconciled with Russia to create neutrality between Russia and Europe.

    Very reminiscent of the balance of power before the start of World War II. Both countries have earned money to sponsor the warring parties. Hitler, not needed. There is already NATO. Something like neither yours nor ours, but by itself. Like we are in NATO, but we are not NATO.
  17. +2
    30 June 2016 13: 20
    Britain leaves the Union, there will be fewer pennies, refugees in the UK will not be accepted. Turkey cannot see a visa-free regime as these ears and billions for refugees, too, can not be seen as ears. Their sidekicks from ISIS are blowing up Istanbul. There is only one answer, everything is about the same well in which he himself wrote and pumped, and now crawl on all fours and ask if they can give me a drink. There the neighbors are already asking for electricity, and when the Crimea was turned off, they jumped and shouted "Fat heroes" and where are you horses now !!!
  18. +1
    30 June 2016 16: 53
    Article (+)! It is a pity that the author's clever thoughts are not shared by the president and our government. It is especially insulting for our cattle already "resting" 30
    Erdogan got off with tomatoes and even then with a harvest of one spring ....
  19. -2
    30 June 2016 17: 46
    Sofa Generals rule the success ball for you!
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  21. +1
    30 June 2016 18: 57
    And in general, the apologies WERE, or they just SORRY! And yet, there is an apology - "I'm sorry, but you are to blame for flying into someone else's territory." terrorists caused the deaths of Russian servicemen. And the Turkish authorities deliberately slowed down the investigation. All those involved will be punished, and compensation will be paid to families and Russia! THIS IS ABOUT SUCH EXCLUSIONS YOU CAN THINK!
    And then one sent a piece of paper (and it is not known what is written there), the other rushed to the phone, and there are already messages about "warming relations, and decisions on travel business and the economy are being made! In my opinion, THIS IS A LOSS OF FACE, I want to listen to state Lavrov - so I believe the minister, let him explain. request what hi
  22. 0
    1 July 2016 10: 57
    Good day, everyone. I’m not going to teach and engage in politics here. But it seems to me that our guarantor and president are not as stupid as they want to introduce him. As I think, he understands everything and sees the situation, much wider than you, ordinary citizens of Russia. And no one said that he gave in to Erdogan and lifted the sanctions. There is no need to raise panic ahead of time. Everyone should do his own thing. I have to work at the plant, someone in the mine. And to our president, to manage a country. And think about how the situation will develop tomorrow, in the region and in the world as a whole. He is responsible for all of Russia, and maybe more. This is my personal opinion. In the KGB, they did not take fools and did not put stupid employees into the outside intelligence. Something like that.
  23. 0
    1 July 2016 11: 44
    Good day, everyone. I’m not going to teach and engage in politics here. But it seems to me that our guarantor and president are not as stupid as they want to introduce him. As I think, he understands everything and sees the situation, much wider than you, ordinary citizens of Russia. And no one said that he gave in to Erdogan and lifted the sanctions. There is no need to raise panic ahead of time. Everyone should do his own thing. I have to work at the plant, someone in the mine. And to our president, to manage a country. And think about how the situation will develop tomorrow, in the region and in the world as a whole. He is responsible for all of Russia, and maybe more. This is my personal opinion. In the KGB, they did not take fools and did not put stupid employees into the outside intelligence. Something like that.
  24. 0
    1 July 2016 18: 13
    It’s good that the leadership of Azerbaijan has some political and economic sovereignty and political will.

    Will you grill with them, is it with a fright? the difference with the Turks is only by location.
    1. 0
      1 July 2016 18: 28
      Only the blind does not see the difference. Azerbaijan is not a member of NATO, like Turkey and not a member of the EEC, does not even make any attempts to join, association, etc. That is, it does not show any interest in these entities, clearly dissociating itself from all these unions. Without trying to bargain with them and Russia, without running between these unions, that is, between the West and Russia like some, I will not name them)) flattered by the example of the European Greek woman, other Balkan and Baltic countries, trying to get any preferences for myself, including financial and protection from Azerbaijan, etc. Azerbaijan does not play any games with anyone or where. No need to bring the blame on the healthy and forcibly create imaginary enemies. In this course, there is a commitment to strategic partnership with Russia, with maximum regard for the interests of Russia as a strategic partner. The difference is obvious, isn't it?
  25. 0
    1 July 2016 20: 05
    God grant that the author's opinion about Putin turns out to be the opinion of Putin, and not of the chairman of Gazprom.

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