The Minister of Defense announced the removal from office of representatives of the command of the Baltic Fleet

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu held a meeting of the board of the defense department. The venue was the Patriot Exhibition Center in Kubinka, Moscow Region. It just so happened that in addition to discussing the possible actions of the RF Armed Forces in connection with building up the military potential of NATO at the western borders of Russia, the Minister of Defense had to touch upon personnel issues. One of these issues was dedicated to the Baltic Command Service fleet. It turned out that the minister removed the posts of representatives of the high command of the naval base of the Russian Navy.

From the statement of the Minister:

According to the results of the inspection and discussion at the collegium, the commander of the Baltic Fleet, the chief of staff of the fleet and a number of officials for the serious omissions in combat training, as well as the distortion in the reports of the real state of affairs were suspended by the defense minister from his duties. They are submitted for removal from office and dismissal from military service.

All violations and shortcomings were identified during the control check of the military administration of the fleet, which took place during the month - from May 11 to June 10.

Sergei Shoigu told about the re-equipment of the Baltic Fleet:

Continuing technical re-equipment of the fleet. Thus, over the past three years, two warships, six boats of various purposes, the latest salvo-fire systems and air defense systems have arrived in formations and military units. All this contributed to an increase in the combat potential of the BF.

Sergei Shoigu raised the question concerning the expansion of NATO and the deployment of NATO infrastructure directly on the Russian borders. According to the defense minister, such processes undermine the foundations of stability in Europe.

Comments

[Kibalchish]

"Gren" came out sideways. A ship with technology from the 1970s, which has been under construction for 12 years and it is not known when it will be completed. A lot of money and time to build a big target.

[chunga-changa]

What does the Baltic Fleet management have to do with the order and construction of the Gren? Moreover, he is assigned to the Federation Council.
Here it is more likely theft, fraud, and other minor joys of "businessmen in uniform."

[Reserve officer]

Quote: chunga-changa

What does the Baltic Fleet management have to do with the order and construction of the Gren? Moreover, he is assigned to the Federation Council.
Here it is more likely theft, fraud, and other minor joys of "businessmen in uniform."

Well, why immediately about theft? The Minister of Defense is not a prosecutor. He must provide the necessary combat capability of the Army and Navy. So, I think, the reason for such measures is connected precisely with its tasks.

[Inok10]

Quote: Reserve officer

Well, why immediately about theft? The Minister of Defense is not a prosecutor. He must provide the necessary combat capability of the Army and Navy. So, I think, the reason for such measures is connected precisely with its tasks.

... absolutely true, it began with the creation of the 11th army corps at the end of April, Major General Yuri Yarovitsky took matters and, as correctly stated in the article, a check lasted from May 11 to June 10, you can even guess for what reason:
1. for the condition of the army units transferred to the DCBF from the disbanded 11th Guards Army ...
2. for the 689th Guards Fighter Aviation Sandomierz Order of Alexander Nevsky Regiment named after Air Marshal A.I. Pokryshkina.
3. beyond the Nivenskoe airfield, there the "jackets" gathered to extract potash salt
4. Behind the Kos airport, at the beginning of the strip of which a garden society has grown
... there the conversation is not just about dismissal, but about dismissal from the Armed Forces ...

[Rriv]

And the airfield in Chkalovsk? When should it have been commissioned?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Inok10

began with the creation in late April of the 11go army corps, Major General Yuri Yarovitsky took charge

And it was he who tried to dig up "happiness" on the naval ships, avenging the 11GA, who had been desecrated at one time by Yegorov.

Quote: Inok10

the conversation there is not just ...

I am amazed at your awareness! Looks like they served in 11GA! Or in a headquarters, the size of a BV BF ... (?)
But in one I agree with you: tell the truth, no matter how difficult it may be. Then you don’t have to bustle and suffer on the carpet for deceit.
"A military man who does not have the courage to face the truth is a liquid man in his knees for a leading position: when he sees the enemy, he gets rid of it!" - I remembered it from Suvorov snot. This was said by the "gutter" Kudinov. And the major was absolutely right !!!
Best regards,

[nikowolf]

Here I fully support you. To hell with them to deputies and officials who will not get enough of it. But the military man, who took the oath and is the mainstay of the country's defense, fell to deception, only one thing can be said, SHAME.
In times of advice, they would definitely be shot. So it got off easy.

[ty60]

Under the tsar-priest-court of honor, if he didn’t have time to shoot himself ...

[Foxmara]

Quote: ty60

Under the tsar-priest-court of honor, if he didn’t have time to shoot himself ..

Damn, many who didn’t shoot themselves go out? Someone removed the tsar from power. And it was not the Bolsheviks.

[Foxmara]

Quote: nikowolf

In times of advice, they would definitely be shot. So it got off easy.

Even in the days of Stalin they were not always shot for such a thing. You are too harsh. But from posts flew at times, yes. The problem is not in one person. Our society has grown. You can shoot half of the country, anyway the second will steal. All our values, fostered by the Soviet system, have gone into perestroika. We need to grow something new. Children are our everything. Half my generation is probably already lost. Salvage is everything. There are those who work honestly, always and everywhere. The country rests on them

[Ros 56]

Quote: Inok10

, and about dismissal from the ranks

For such things, do not dismiss, but imprisonment for 10 years is necessary with a huge fine without the right to appeal.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Ros 56

For such things, do not dismiss, but imprisonment for 10 years is necessary with a huge fine without the right to appeal.

Do you know for what, specifically, they were removed?

[Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich]

Most likely for the presentation of biased (embellished) information about the state of affairs in the controlled agency.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich

Most likely for the presentation of biased (embellished) information about the state of affairs in the controlled agency.

And it drags on "10 years with a huge fine"? Nobody really knows anything, but a whole bunch of versions are piled up here.

[Mahmut]

Most likely for the presentation of biased (embellished) information about the state of affairs in the controlled agency.

Well, just like in our VO forum.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vladimirets

Do you know for what, specifically, they were removed?

Despite the fact that this region is warming up and growing with new NATO units, it seems that this decision is due to the fact that the remote servants did not perceive these circumstances as a threat to Russia, but as a kind of misunderstanding in their personal career.

[Aljavad]

Do you know for what, specifically, they were removed?

Among other claims against the Baltic Fleet, the low readiness of the combat core, including the four newest corvettes of Project 20380, can be mentioned. The lead ship of this type, “The Guardian,” was received by the fleet in 2007, and the serial ones, “Soobrazitelny”, “Boyky” and “Resistant”, in 2011, 2013 and 2014 respectively, but despite the sharp activation of the fleet as a whole and the numerous military campaigns of much older ships, including the frankly “museum” Black Sea watchmen, none of the corvettes in these nine years went to military service in key areas of the Mediterranean Sea and the Indian Ocean today.

[Ros 56]

Quote: Vladimirets

Do you know for what, specifically, they were removed?

The investigators should know exactly this matter, and in our country, as always, they are limited to dismissal, so as not to make dirty linen in public. If it were controlled and planted in time, well, it would be very indecent for a lot of money in the state budget to remain not plundered and possibly spent on business. I have lived quite a while in this world and I know perfectly well that any leader, starting from the middle link, can safely be untwisted and planted. And do not tell me tales about the presumption of innocence.
Only one question - how many percent of those with a driver’s license went through an official medical commission. When you answer, we can continue.

[Ros 56]

The thieves' minuser was sorry, well, well, forward and with a song about how hard the generals and other officials live.

[Foxmara]

Quote: Ros 56

I have lived quite a while in this world and I know perfectly well that any leader, starting from the middle link, can safely be untwisted and planted.

Like any construction superintendent.
Who will work? Or do you suggest, like Stalin's - in sharashki, then see how he behaves and back to the leadership? ;) Korolev and Tupolev went through such a school and nothing was built! True, Korolev was not very fond of remembering about the "school" ...
Precisely because the phenomenon is massive - you still can’t imprison everyone. We are stealing everywhere, from the head of the kindergarten .. But weeding gives weeds))
A couple of years ago, a couple of managers were planted in the housing and communal services management - they immediately recalculated and since then the numbers in the payments have only pleased.

[Damask]

They are all the offspring of this very power, they themselves have taught to kickbacks and bribes, theft and lawlessness, and now they are starting to fight like

[In100gram]

Quote: Ros 56

Do not fire for such things, but put them in prison for 10 years

Nobody has been fired yet. The Minister of Defense only removed from office, and presented for dismissal. To dismiss is a presidential prerogative. The level is not the same. But I think VV will agree with the arguments.

[97110]

Quote: In100gram

To dismiss is a presidential prerogative.

And to plant - there is no person authorized for such decisions?

[ty60]

With full confiscation, including family members.

[Cat man null]

Quote: ty60

With full confiscation, including family members.

- Do you offer family members to confiscate too?

[atalef]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: ty60

With full confiscation, including family members.

- Do you offer family members to confiscate too?

and to the galleys

[abrakadabre]

Due to the absence of galleys in the modern fleet, the link to the galleys is replaced by the link to the firewalls.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Inok10

there the conversation is not just about dismissal, but about dismissal from the ranks of the Armed Forces ...

Such posts are not removed with a lowering, you cannot send vice admiral to command a minesweeper, and there are no higher posts.

[KazaK Bo]

Inok10
... there the conversation is not just about dismissal, but about dismissal from the Armed Forces ...

If it is announced for the whole of Russia, it is not for battles. preparation. For her, the heads of services and combat arms are dismissed and retired. And the first persons - often quietly and with grammar! And if they announced through the media about the removal of the top officials, I am sure FOR FUNCTIONAL ACTIVITIES ... CORRUPTION. It means that they "screwed up" such that, like an awl ... you can't hide in a bag ... there will be an assessment in the Society ...
Look how many highly placed "jackets" have been moved to temporary residence in Lefortovo over the past month or two ... There are also many officials in the RF Armed Forces who sometimes confuse "state wool with their own ... personal" ... especially in the field of land allocation ... real estate, etc ..
Here is the Moscow Region and has made its contribution (100% sure that it is consistent with the GDP !!!) in the common cause of establishing order in the country ...

[Foxmara]

Quote: KazaK Bo

how many highly placed "jackets" have been moved to temporary residence in the last month or two

It seems to me that a grand schucher awaits us and the darkest one understands this better than anyone. IMHO cleaning in front of a schukher gives +50 to the survival of the country during a schercher. Stalin also cleaned the apparatus before the war ..

[Igor V]

The competence of people is amazing! Since the time the plates with GDP were taken from the Kos airport, more than one commander has been replaced, why should this be answered? Chkalovsk, as it was, is true, though by forging documents there was built a hotel with a restaurant and other things right in the area of ​​the glide path, but this is also not less than 10 years ago. The army ceased to exist in the 90s, again a puncture. My son served in the 98th, the army was gone, and the fleet had not yet been surrendered.

[nikowolf]

Plus to your comment. After the collapse of the USSR, the army collapsed after it. Now it’s kind of like to restore the army, but the army is not a fleet. How long does it take to build the same tank and BMP, and how long does it take to build a ship. So, after the collapse of the 90s, the fleet will be one of the last to recover.
Unless of course the world does not change and the power does not change, then it will be difficult to predict.

[Igor V]

Quote: nikowolf

Plus to your comment. After the collapse of the USSR, the army collapsed after it. Now it’s kind of like to restore the army, but the army is not a fleet. How long does it take to build the same tank and BMP, and how long does it take to build a ship. So, after the collapse of the 90s, the fleet will be one of the last to recover.
Unless of course the world does not change and the power does not change, then it will be difficult to predict.

I actually wrote about the 11th Guards but I agree with you in a global sense.

[svp67]

Quote: Inok10

... there the conversation is not just about dismissal, but about dismissal from the Armed Forces ...

It’s bad that there is no talk about the tribunal. And then some obviously already earned it.

[Alex777]

When more than 50 top commanders are fired, this is a serious conversation ...

[lukewarm]

Not a prosecutor, right. Down and Out trouble started. Maybe it will come to prosecutors. The previous commentator had something else in mind IMHO - he also writes "Ochkovotelstvo"

[WKS]

Quote: Reserve officer

The Minister of Defense is not a prosecutor. He must provide the necessary combat capability of the Army and Navy. So, I think, the reason for such measures is connected precisely with its tasks.

This is directly stated in the article. If they had stolen, they would have handed over to the prosecutor's office.

[svp67]

Quote: Reserve officer

Well, why immediately about theft?

If you look at some of the latest "papers", then such a conclusion can be made, and it is for the BF. Something too much there are a lot of "embezzlers".

[iliya87]

Could you give more details, I just don’t know what is wrong with him? Salvage heated on it or what?

[hirurg]

Kuzhugetovich - people are tough. The task is posed, are there opportunities for fulfillment? No Result -
organizational conclusions.

[goblin xnumx]

it’s just redistributing - they are putting their people in - and changing the environment accordingly so that it wouldn’t hurt — according to your internal forces and the sobr, they also couldn’t cope with the work that they were transferred to the National Guard? And he’s a shoigu?

[joopel]

Apparently too grandiose construction of Potemkin decorations led to this result. If you painted with fresh paint rye and rot, then do not think that you are the most cunning and quirky. Kuzhugetovich is not the kind of person who leads to such a cheap props. The army has changed, and some have not noticed. Results are needed, not imitation.

[vovanpain]

According to the results of the inspection and discussion at the collegium, the commander of the Baltic Fleet, the chief of staff of the fleet and a number of officials for the serious omissions in combat training, as well as the distortion in the reports of the real state of affairs were suspended by the defense minister from his duties. They are submitted for removal from office and dismissal from military service.

Dashing, but the mess and maybe should be uprooted with hot iron.

[97110]

Quote: vovanpain

rooted with hot iron.

Burn out with hot iron. And to eradicate-this is the leshoz.

[sever.56]

No ... I think that they steal a lot.
Criminal proceedings should be expected. If the dismissal is widely publicized, then there are obviously serious shoals. Just like that, big stars do not fly from the chases.
Ranks, awards, pensions, honor - all down the drain. Really thirst for the dough killed the honor and conscience of people ???

[g1v2]

Rather, they lied. Instead of real data, fake reports were sent upstairs. That is, the leadership, instead of the real situation, was lying. This is unacceptable in the army - hence the organizational conclusions.

[figwam]

The Minister of Defense announced the removal from office of representatives of the command of the Baltic Fleet

Or maybe Shoigu does not want on June 22 to hear a report on the surrender of the Baltic Fleet to the enemy, due to the departure of sailors to summer military camps, removal of sights and bolts from weapons for cleaning and repair, removal of guns and aircraft weapons from aircraft, sending them to warehouses, etc. d.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: figvam

Shoigu does not want on June 22 to hear a report on the surrender of the Baltic Fleet to the enemy ...

Mom didn’t drop you head down in childhood ???
How can such a thing come to an inflamed "mind" (apparently there is no brain at all!) Even after a big hangover - I can't imagine!
To refresh your memory, watch the films / films: "We are from Kronstat", "Baltic Sky", "Two Soldiers" ...
And if after that you think that * the Baltic people can surrender to the enemy * - feel free to go to a psychiatrist. Maybe the clinic has not gone so far and there is still hope ... to return the "unit" to society (call you a citizen, call you - I can't!)
Warm Baltic greetings, KAA
ps. I am ready to accept 100500 "-" for what was said, but I do not advise you to rinse the Baltic and the fleet in passing!
Sergey, the best way for you to hush up the situation is to follow the example of E. Erdogan.

[Kotyara Fat]

The Baltic Fleet will not surrender! Fact! But fat-bellied ones can. And it seems to me under the distribution they did not fall for theft. Nakosyachili seems to be concrete and the combat effectiveness of the fleet suffered from these arts. And what’s the minister there, who knows?

[weksha50]

Quote: sever.56

No ... I think that they steal a lot.
Criminal proceedings should be expected. If dismissal is widely publicized, then there are obviously serious shoals.

Hmm ... Once during the entire service I happened to get under a normal, sudden (!!!) check by the General Staff of the nuclear triad ... Somewhere in 1985 or 1986 ...

It was a terrible thing !!! Black generals and colonels took key positions and sat quietly, practically not interfering in anything ... It was simply said: "You have a plan to bring the formation to the highest degree of BG - so act on it" ...

The plan was both colorful and super handsome ... Approved by the army commander and the Strategic Missile Forces Commander ...
But ... but it turned out to be a beautiful house of cards ...

Epaulettes and heads then flew great (including in long-range aviation and in the navy) ...
More SUCH checks - no ...

Most likely, and now the same thing happened in the Navy when checking ... A beautifully designed plan is not yet a guarantee of high combat readiness, training, coherence and readiness for active and effective military operations ...

PS It’s good that Shoigu checked, not the NATO bloc ...

[Gamdlislyam]

Quote: weksha50

PS It’s good that Shoigu checked, not the NATO bloc ...

Apparently Sergei Kuzhugetovich (and naturally Vladimir Vladimirovich) does not want to repeat the events of 1938, when the Japanese "suddenly" checked the combat readiness of the troops of the Far Eastern Front under the control of Marshal of the Soviet Union Vasily Konstantinovich Blucher, in the area of ​​Lake Khasan.
During the work of the commission of the People’s Commissariat of Defense, it turned out that the troops of the Far Eastern Front had low combat readiness. Instead of military training, in fact, they were engaged in household work. All reports, reports and plans turned out to be fictitious.
In early October 1938, Blucher V.K. He was removed from his post, and on October 22.10.38, 9, he was arrested and transferred to Moscow. November 1938, 22 at 50 hours XNUMX minutes he suddenly died in the doctor’s office of the internal prison. Blockage of a blood clot vessel.

[Olegovi4]

Quote: Gamdlislyam

Instead of military training, in fact, they were engaged in household work. All reports, reports and plans turned out to be fictitious.
In early October 1938, Blucher V.K. He was removed from office, and 22.10.38/XNUMX/XNUMX

It’s a pity that until 22,06,1941 nothing has changed. Remember the facts, how the soldiers went on the attack with shovels, because there was a maximum of rifles on the battalion located at the digging fortifications.

[97110]

Quote: Olegovi4

remember the facts, as the soldiers went on the attack with shovels

Have not seen. Have you seen?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: weksha50

Once during the entire service I had the chance to fall under the normal, sudden (!!!) check by the General Staff of the nuclear triad ... Somewhere in the 1985 or 1986 year ...

George! Not one of you has been so happy!
In 1987, the shaggy year was subjected to a personal inspection by the Inspectorate of the USSR Ministry of Defense.
The main thing is that the inspector only timed and recorded. But the removal of code blocking from SLBMs was recorded on a dictaphone (* sleepyhead * - importing! Small, beautiful ... still before my eyes, like a living ...). The second time he launched a voice recorder while forcing the boundary of the PLO.
And then there was a personal check for the lice of each officer / midshipman according to his functionality. They fired from personal weapons (the naval officers saw him only when they stood guard), died on a cross, dived to a distance, swam at a speed ... 10 days they loved the crew without taking out. But while summing up the results, we felt like "real colonels"!
And then, according to the contribution of each, they moved the o / s up the career ladder. I stepped over 2 steps at once ("careerist", damn it!)
Such was the attitude of the upper commanders to combat readiness and to those who supported it in combat posts in ship's iron, at that legendary time ...

[weksha50]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The main thing is that the inspector only timed and recorded.

That's just what the whole "tsimus" is in ...

"BUT then there was a personal check on the liceiness of each officer / midshipman by its functionality"...

Mdaaaa ... Unforgettable ... for many ...

"And then, according to the contribution of each, they moved the o / s up the career ladder. I stepped over 2 steps at once ("careerist", pancake!)"...

Not everyone is so "lucky" ... Who became a "careerist" due to the fact that they "endured all the hardships and deprivations of military service", forgetting even about the family, and someone dived down or into civilian life ...

Our commander general was saved only by the fact that he was the son-in-law of Marshal Boychuk (chief of the 12th GUMO) ... And the chief of staff and the first deputy were dragging the entire test (and in everyday conditions - organizing combat training and combat duty .. .

I was ashamed to look at him at the command post, when he, like a two-year schoolboy, sweated, turned pale, and waited for prompts from his deputies or service chiefs ... Actually, the regular commanders of the duty forces competently directed the actions, and not he ...

[Andrey NM]

Over the years ... During the summing up of that check, there was one piquant case. If, of course, we are talking about the same check. Physical training was then seriously checked. Well, what kind of physical training will the crew return from the BS? In short, some major from the commission made a speech that physical training is the main type of combat training, but how can you perform combat missions with such a state of affairs (well, etc.)? So one of the commanders, I will not give his last name, at that time he had already signed an order for transfer to St. Petersburg, stood up and said: "Comrade Major, what are you telling us here? If physical training would be in such a volume like this is needed, so all the Jews would be dangling on the horizontal bars, and they are playing chess ... ". Somehow it was all hushed up. Well, the person, apparently, was sore. Then how was it? As a test, so is the organizational period with all the ensuing consequences.

[serg2108]

in real conditions, the entire NATO unit will not go into a puddle; it’s not necessary to exaggerate their capabilities; the same people serve and in some cases are much worse than our officers and generals ... so if you check them, then apparently everyone will have to be fired

[parafoiler]

Read carefully. They were not deprived of any ranks or pensions, etc., but were removed from their posts and presented for resignation.

[In100gram]

Quote: parafoiler

They were not deprived of any ranks or pensions, etc., but were removed from their posts and presented for resignation.

No one has been shot yet. The Minister of Defense only removed from office, and presented for dismissal. To dismiss is a presidential prerogative. The level is not the same. But I think VV will agree with the arguments.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: parafoiler

dismissed and presented for resignation.

For a professional, this is death ... professional.
It means falling from Everest into the Mariana Trench. The counts, princes and nobles in such situations fired, left for the village, went to monasteries ...
In the Red Army, the generals dismissed in this way were acquainted with the NKVD ...
Here, damn it, bad luck!

[Aljavad]

parafoiler (3) RU Yesterday, 16:32 ↑
Read carefully. They were not deprived of any ranks or pensions, etc., but were removed from their posts and presented for resignation.

"Suspended by the Minister of Defense from duty. They are presented for removal from office and dismissal from military service," the statement says.

At least they were kicked out in disgrace. "Deprivations" may follow.

[Alekseits]

Recently, there was a report on illegal amber mining, in an industrial way, right on the protected territory of the BF air base, and there all this time and flights went, and all the activities were planned. And, it seems, no one noticed anything. Probably this complemented the cup.

[gamer]

What the hell? Give a reference to this stuffing!

[Alekseits]

If you are to me, then here: http://realty.interfax.ru/ru/news/articles/68726

[In100gram]

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3415004
This will come down too, not nonsense, reality

[Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich]

According to old memory (since the Union times) I wanted to look better. Number failed. Stars with shoulder straps are unlikely to fly, but they will be removed to the reserve.
Here is a steady habit of embellishment. He quit 20 years ago, and the manners of the bosses have remained unchanged. Sad

[kodxnumx]

I’m sure this is a positive signal! Once they started to take off their posts, it means their time is gone, it could have gone a couple of years ago, if you lie to the Supreme and the Minister of Defense, this is a crime, so they lost armies on 41 posts and unsubscribes and retreated with great blood to Mother Moscow herself, I’m sure there’s hardly anyone in Russia who wants to re-experience such a failure for herself!

[Juborg]

“Gren” has nothing to do with this, everything is more serious here. There are systemic errors in the command of the fleet, systematic lies and so on. Such resignations are not made from scratch just like that. The resignation of any governor with the entire team including all the mayors of this province is nothing compared to this resignation and dismissal. A number of criminal cases may follow, although officials of this level, possessing state secrets, are not imprisoned. Let's look at the development of events!

[Todessichel]

Here they do not like truths.
I don’t think that in ё it is so sad, but the words of truth in what was said.

[svp67]

Quote: Kibalchish

Gren "came out sideways

The low combat readiness of the entrusted fleet is what happened sideways. Now the entire senior leadership of the army and navy has been given a clear signal that past merits are no longer counting. We must deal with the strengthening of combat readiness, and not with our personal affairs. Our army is on the verge of dramatic changes, according to the results of exercises and inspections, especially the latest ones and against the backdrop of an increasingly difficult military-political situation, many shortcomings have been identified that could lead to a tragedy akin to June 22, 1941, and that this would not have to be urgently addressed .

[oleg-gr]

He took and immediately removed part of the manual. So everything is serious with NATO, or did they dig up a lot of mess?

[Altona]

Quote: oleg-gr

He took and immediately removed part of the manual. So everything is serious with NATO, or did they dig up a lot of mess?

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Our entire system in the economy generates theft. The admiral probably signed the fake acts of the work done and took kickbacks from contracts for the needs of the fleet, or his subordinates twisted and turned ...

[weksha50]

Quote: oleg-gr

So everything is serious with NATO, or did they dig up a lot of mess?

Most likely, both that, and another ...

To take off both the commander and the chief of staff of the fleet at the same time was something super-duper should have been ... Most likely - window dressing and swindle, accompanied by excellent reports and not confirmed in reality ...

[97110]

Quote: weksha50

Most likely - window dressing and swindle, accompanied by excellent reports and not confirmed in reality ...

Most likely they did not take to Syria what according to the reports they could / should have taken. Or a flag where it is not necessary. I remember how in 1981, following the results of entering the Cossack Camps in Afghanistan, the partisan car repair battalion was trained.

[Monarchist]

If NATO had not "developed" in full, then it would still have been tolerable. The Balts knocked everything down "the Russians have already climbed up" The Americans are already climbing through the window (the blockade of Kaliningrad), and now the admirals are "playing pranks"

[black]

Harshly. It’s been a long time since we didn’t wave a saber.

[Banishing liberoids]

It was still easy to get off - they could and put it, and in the 30- and easily shoot.

[97110]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

It's still easy to get off

Already got off? A case to bring about negligence, and amnesty? They will be stopped for a long time in centimeters tail.

[Mengad]

It can be seen that there were good reasons for: ,, They are submitted to dismissal and dismissal from military service ,,

[pts-m]

That's right. The service must be carried out in such a way that it is not a shame for aimlessly lived years.

[Mengad]

Fortunately, there are still people who see the difference between Service and work.

[weksha50]

Quote: PTS-m

That's right. The service must be carried out asso as not to be ashamed of aimlessly lived years.

In order not to pr.s.s.sr.r.r.r.at Russia ... unlike politicians ...
Defense of the Motherland is a warrior’s business ...

[izya top]

officials began to clean, now the command staff they know something about GDP, what are they preparing for

[atalef]

Quote: izya top

they began to clean foreigners, now the command staff knows something about the GDP, they are preparing for something

37 year on the nose - tick, Izzy

[Berkut24]

Top management needs occasionally invigorate. Otherwise - a swamp.

[1 Nikita]

And, interestingly, some organizational conclusions will be made based on the results of the incident with "Yaroslav the Wise"? I am not a sailor, but I am deeply convinced that Yaroslav the Wise is a serious ship. I saw him from several meters, in St. Petersburg. I really want to be proud of our navy, as we are proud of military aviation. The grandson, (8 years old), over there, asks: "Grandfather, why didn't we kick his ass (amer)," I had to explain about high matters. And the grandson says: "oh, sorry, it would be better if they gave a kick"

[weksha50]

"for serious omissions in combat training"...

Everyone is trying to play funny amusements on paper ...

But during the sudden attack of Nazi Germany, it was the fleet, thanks to its Commander-in-Chief, who turned out to be the most prepared to repel the attack ... Here it is, what's the difference ...

[Monarchist]

Yes G.K. Zhukov did not like the People's Commissar of the Navy, but even then he noted that the fleet and especially the Baltic "did not show figs to flies."

[avg-mgn]

submitted for dismissal and dismissal from military service.

The next step is a criminal case. Generals and admirals are not fired for fraud.

[Monarchist]

All the same, it’s a pity that there is no Stalin on them, otherwise the next news would be: 58 and ...

[atamankko]

It’s harsh, but I think there’s something for which,
just like that they do not remove from such posts.

[Sasha_Sar]

DKBF has always been famous for "fraud" and money-grubbing. It is one thing to steal, so it must also be sold. By 91, almost all of the fleet's large landing ships were "mothballed", but when the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Poland began, they were reactivated in an instant. Kamaz trucks with vodka were loaded in Baltiysk, which then dissolved on Polish beaches. The presence of Europe close by is very demoralizing for the personnel. The rotation of personnel in the place with equipment must be introduced in the fleets. Baltika at Pacific Fleet, KChF at KSF. And so every five years. That would not make criminal connections. Look how the General Staff of the Navy did, from the capital to St. Petersburg and the "sea" of vacancies and promotion to honest officers.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Sasha_Sar

Kamaz with vodka loaded in Baltiysk,

Prior to loading onto the BDK, all KAMAZ vehicles are checked by the FSB. Then the same procedure with the ship. There was an attempt to export sugar under the guise of a food reserve. They found, unloaded, the commander was dismissed.
Also, the technical support is in focus when ship screws from brass / bronze were tried to be taken out. Also planted!
I don’t know other facts. 12 divnk was foolproofly checked, and the FSB spent the day and slept on ships. However, they did not find anything criminal.
So, science fiction writers on another site. Maybe you didn’t get there?

[Sasha_Sar]

Yes Yes! And also tell us how you took out property from Liepaja from warehouses. On the BDK from Severomorsk there are rusty helmets and broken bedside tables, and army sheepskin coats are Baltic. In the second half of the 90s, at the KSF, at the reception and delivery of fuel, the same "Chekists" stood at the fuel pump, but they stole and were not afraid of anything, although a couple of criminal cases were opened. Under the guise of bilge water, they poured the "unaccounted for".

[Tambov Wolf]

I don’t know, but what you want, but Shoigu should be made the head of the government. It seems to me that he will quickly put things in order there. All the shit will go to hell with the dogs. Yes, you can also nominate for President. It seems to me our man.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

Shoigu should be made the head of government.

I agree to all 155%!

Quote: Tambov Wolf

Yes, and the President can be nominated.

And here - call: the vacancy is busy!
The darkest in his place! No other politician in the world has such international authority! But "household chores" is time to get down to serious.
Otherwise, we will not see good luck!

[Aljavad]

KAA boa constrictor (3) RU Yesterday, 21:41 ↑
Quote: Tambov Wolf
Shoigu should be made the head of government.
I agree to all 155%!
Quote: Tambov Wolf
Yes, and the President can be nominated.
And here - call: the vacancy is occupied! The darkest in its place!

Who would argue. But it is necessary to preserve it (someone’s wheezing lately) - it will rest, and again into battle!

[Andrey NM]

Some time ago I wrote here about Shoigu. He was the Minister of Civil Defense and Emergencies - the ministry lives, led the troops - also the rise. Maybe it's time to change the prime minister? So they messed me up ...

[search engine]

no need to lie

[prior]

You can’t spoil Kozhugetych! Classics of the genre.
However, it is time for him to premiere .... True, there is work .... there is no end!

[satellite24]

It seems that problems are only in the Baltic Fleet!? Ah, fraud has always been and will be! (as by the way in any other army in the world)

[Muvka]

Quote: satelit24

It seems that problems are only in the Baltic Fleet!? Ah, fraud has always been and will be! (as by the way in any other army in the world)

Do you have more information than Shoigu? Will there be facts? Or by default EVERYTHING?

[satellite24]

I understand that you weren’t in the army?

[AlexTires]

In my opinion, for the first time in modern history, it’s not quietly translated, not for bribes and theft, but for military training also with dismissal. What happened to them, what flying NATO was not intercepted, or which ship with the landing party at the passage was stuck, we will never know. But the fact of public dismissal is surprising.

[max15243]

The campaign has come the time of demand for failure to complete the tasks. True, I doubt that we will find out why they were removed from their posts.

[russmensch]

However, they were treated badly. Have you ever heard of the retirement of COMMANDERS in the last 50-60 years? I personally don't. People from such positions are transferred to the life-long, so-called "paradise group". They are provided with an office, left with a paycheck, and they work as consultants at the General Staff and the President. And here they are deprived of everything at once. It's just not done - the nomenclature does not allow. We'll have to wait a bit. Now the journalists will quickly figure out everything and tell us the "harsh truth of life"

[russmensch]

Well, as I said, the first data rushed. And they are somewhat "worse" than those described in this article. I quote: "" The Commander of the Baltic Fleet, his chief of staff and a number of officers lose their ranks until the end of the investigation. If their guilt is confirmed, they will be dismissed from the Russian armed forces. The commanders showed serious shortcomings in the organization of combat training, poor care for their subordinates, as well as distortion of the real situation in the reports, "Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu read out a statement." Source http://maxpark.com/community/13/content/5315205
Can you imagine being dismissed without a title? After all, ordinary citizens will receive a pension.

[japs]

In 1985, in the GSVG, during the inspection, they raised and removed 6 guards of the TD from the Bernau region (Berlin) to the sorbes in the south of the GDR (Löbau-Bauzen). According to the report up, everything was in time and quantity approx. When checking the report, it turned out that even the division headquarters did not reach the designated area, and the division stretched from its barracks to their destination. Prior to the hell of technology did not leave the territory of the units.
Following the results of the 6th division became the 90th. With appropriate withdrawals and penalties.
And then, it went and went ... "Doctor" Lushev, "Photographer" - "... limonia, trophy Germany, a continuous suitcase" (c) Ie. "Pasha Mercedes" - all according to the chubas and Gaidar ...
God forbid once again to experience this ...

[fa2998]

Quote: chunga-changa

Here it is more likely theft, fraud, and other minor joys of "businessmen in uniform."

One gets the impression that the re-equipment of the army is carried out with the "sawing" of budget funds. Moreover, bankers, the military-industrial complex and the army get their own "margin". And most importantly, no landings and return of money to the treasury. so everywhere, a house is being built on public money, in a month it collapses, they make a road, in a month, already holes. I think the spending of public money needs to be reduced until the fight against corruption is progressing. Better help people, not officials!

[Muvka]

Quote: fa2998

Quote: chunga-changa

Here it is more likely theft, fraud, and other minor joys of "businessmen in uniform."

One gets the impression that the re-equipment of the army is carried out with the "sawing" of budget funds. Moreover, bankers, the military-industrial complex and the army get their own "margin". And most importantly, no landings and return of money to the treasury. so everywhere, a house is being built on public money, in a month it collapses, they make a road, in a month, already holes. I think the spending of public money needs to be reduced until the fight against corruption is progressing. Better help people, not officials!

Yes, your teachers of the Russian language obviously sawed through the budget, instead of teaching you.

[fa2998]

You, will you say something specifically by article or commentary, or just look for grammatical errors? I’m excusable, I’m recovering from a stroke. And you tell me, for example, they build cheap high-quality roads. We would send ALL the customers and performers to taiga 15 years, and with confiscation!

[Muvka]

Quote: fa2998

You, will you say something specifically by article or commentary, or just look for grammatical errors? I’m excusable, I’m recovering from a stroke. And you tell me, for example, they build cheap high-quality roads. We would send ALL the customers and performers to taiga 15 years, and with confiscation!

I don’t know about cheapness, but our roads are normal. Even because of this, speed bumps were everywhere done. The city of Vichuga, 36k population. I can name a couple of terrible streets, but generally normal roads. And for the future, do not write present tense verbs with a soft sign. You are welcome. Only in the verbs of the future tense. Now it’s being built, but it will be built.

[VladimS]

Quote: Kibalchish

A lot of dough and time in order to build a big target.

You tell your friends of America this about their aircraft carriers ... Together, laugh. Yeah.

[Cananecat]

Not for long, NATO rejoiced at the state of BG))))

[egor1712]

The State Duma explained the reason for the dismissal of the commander of the Baltic Fleet, Viktor Kravchuk.
“After a test of combat readiness to repel possible threats, it turned out that the fleet’s leadership was unable to cope with the tasks that the head of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff set today.” That's why it was decided to change the commander and appoint those people who are able to organize the work of the Baltic Fleet to bring all the tactical weapons to an appropriate state in order to ensure the implementation of the national security doctrine of the Russian Federation.

[colonel manuch]

It is hard for Shoigu, but he does his job confidently, maybe even the army will bring order. If the army and the navy will be strong, the fifth column will quieten down, maybe even then they will start talking differently with "effective managers".

[kolexxx]

Well done Shoigu, fired by the time. And then on Sakhalin, Vladik, Izhevsk planted, and Kezhugetovich still has not supported the initiative. The main thing in a timely manner!

[VP]

Following his former boss, Chirkov went

[MDS]

Exactly! One field of a berry, perhaps, in his youth Kravchuk was "cooler" in "commerce". The brigade commander drove a Land Cruiser

[t118an]

Not much is not clear .. "After a test of combat readiness to repel possible threats, it turned out that the fleet’s leadership was unable to cope with the tasks that the head of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff set today." ... or I quote RBC..http: //www.rbc.ru/politics/29/06/2016/5773bd769a7947475a50e771? from = main
...
..
"In recent months, several incidents have occurred in the Baltic Sea with the participation of Russian military aircraft and ships on the one hand and American equipment on the other. In April, the Su-24 of the Russian Aerospace Forces approached the American destroyer Donald Cook." In the same month, the American military said A Russian Su-27 made a dangerous maneuver near a US Air Force reconnaissance aircraft. In addition, a Russian Su-27 interception of an American RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft was reported. The United States and the Nordic countries issued a joint statement in May. expressed concern about the growing military presence of Russia in the Baltic Sea region. The Russian Ministry of Defense has repeatedly stated that the actions of the Russian military are in full compliance with international rules "....
Something is not clear to me here .., but on the other hand it’s not nice .....
I read all the news ... Analyze ... me ????

[kartalovkolya]

The grounds for "dancing with tambourines" and "sprinkling ashes on the heads" have not yet come, but it is good that the Minister of Defense has taken seriously and I think for a long time "cleaning the Augean stables"! Probably some of our far from "not quite friends", or rather to say "not friends at all," have already begun to shake the fever from the revival of Russia and its Army, so everything is going in the right direction! Keep it up, dear Kozhugetovich!

[Atlant-1164]

everyone .. who can’t adapt to the new realities and requirements .. it’s necessary to fire. Russia is ahead. !!

[bad]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

I don’t know, but what you want, but Shoigu should be made the head of the government. It seems to me that he will quickly put things in order there. All the shit will go to hell with the dogs. Yes, you can also nominate for President. It seems to me our man.

... he had just begun to bring the Army and Navy into the senses! .. only to the President ... and only after the GDP ...

[acetophenone]

Quote: Balu

...
As for the fleet, the naval always differ in discipline and order. ...

Yes, yes, yes, so if someone breaks or fucks something ... then this is called "lost by naval method" ...

[Svoy_tovarish]

Recently, they announced the strengthening of NATO's presence in the Baltic and Black Seas. So BF is poorly prepared.

[PValery53]

Could it be connected there with sea snobbery in relation to "plowing"? Does Shoigu have a deputy for maritime affairs? Did he decide "questions" or did they immediately slash at the leadership of the Baltic Fleet?

[Des10]

And, well, he took off, well, he fired ... Strictly like that. Oh yeah probably fired in disgrace .
Here it was made public - how much they gave dachas and money from commerce, but dealing with confiscation - it will be good. And so one blatata in the upper echelons of each other and hold on.

[Valery 1979]

Epaulettes flew

[Cosmonaut]

Quote: Stock Officer

Quote: chunga-changa

What does the Baltic Fleet management have to do with the order and construction of the Gren? Moreover, he is assigned to the Federation Council.
Here it is more likely theft, fraud, and other minor joys of "businessmen in uniform."

Well, why immediately about theft? The Minister of Defense is not a prosecutor. He must provide the necessary combat capability of the Army and Navy. So, I think, the reason for such measures is connected precisely with its tasks.

1. Shoigu, - Chairman of the Russian Geographical Society.
2. An expedition of the Russian Geographical Society is working on Gogland Island.
3. The Finnish Inspectorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation arrived at Gogland Island.
But !

[Sergey333]

But will the country house in the Canaries and the yacht be taken away or will they be left honestly stolen from the state?

[Taygerus]

even comrades recently such heads kneading to fly, both civilian and military, not about that, I think, probably ......

[termite]

they are all there with .. and like spiders in a bank for power for grandmas bickering among themselves

[Pastor]

At the Victory Parade in Kaliningrad they rattled with medals and impressed with their importance. In actual fact, the naval commanders turned out to be mediocre, idlers and parasites. At this time, not only campaigners are needed, but also managers, and they can eat vodka and shout "Hello comrades" in a braided language. Fortunately, they will, unfortunately, be more than worthy.

[Zomanus]

Here it is shown in more detail what they fired for
http://rusnext.ru/recent_opinions/1467231596
There, in a good way with the deprivation of military ranks and awards it was necessary ...
Well, so it’s clear, we clear the command from rot,
so that in case of something the "unexpected" came out, as in the 41st.

[Pitot]

Or maybe grandfathers just sat up with big epaulets? Way young? Maybe it’s just updating the staff with younger, more proactive, arrogant with a promising adversary? Which perestroika was not sniffed or sniffed, but few - did not have time to get dirty?

[VP]

This grandfather is 55 years old, for such a position he is still a young man

[Aljavad]

To whom much is given, much will be asked.

They remind them of this, reptiles, they remind ... But they are all sure that they caught God by the beard and they all have chiki-farts!

[Evil 55]

The Baltic Sea and the Black Sea Fleet are at the forefront of the State’s defense .. Fraud and corruption are unacceptable here and should be punished strictly and irrevocably ..

[user3970]

I rush to the embrasure. They say the fish has a memory for events for 2 minutes. With regards to the shoigu and the potential "future" president ... To paraphrase: "God save me from such a president, but we will somehow get out of NATO." Let's recall the biography of the future "President - Minister of Defense" ... A member of the "Semya" organized crime group ... Hello, crucians with the appropriate memory, forgot how a few years ago all of Russia was on fire thanks to the "reorganization of the fire department, carried out by the" valiant "Minister of the Ministry of Emergency Situations Shoigu Professional firefighters do not remember him except swearing. Find somewhere a VU, an Academy, which the current minister would graduate from? And why did he receive a hero's star (as well as a kadyrka)? Not for the fact that he put 1 assault rifles, Serdyukov was removed from his post and suddenly, by a pike's command, by a wave of a magic wand, a month later, when a shoigu was appointed, everything was miraculously transformed. Aren't you funny yourself? Serdyukov, the same the civilian shpak, like the Tuvan shaman shoigu, was CONSCIOUSLY thrown into the swamp of the Moscow region. As a result, thanks to Serdyukov, the land reclamation was carried out. We all remember Vasilyeva,But somehow they forgot their daughter Shoigu, this is not the last time in the medical unit immediately after the university, We remember the Yakunin with his fur store and forget about the same with the same Shoigu.

[goblin xnumx]

come on, he transferred shoulder straps from belly to shoulders and came up with a tank biathlon, he earned praise means :), and the fact that the successor in the Ministry of Emergency Situations is shooting the country and people are throwing children out of the balconies because there’s no technology or people already will not touch, no one will notice ...- God forbid that would not touch- good luck

[CT-55_11-9009]

About the fires. What, each moron who made a fire near dry peat bogs, will we personally hang on Shoigu?

[vadoc]

A good example for our bureaucrats in power - could not manage - to dismiss the hell ... But this is more likely from the realm of fantasy.

[gavrik]

Continue to clean up the army. Shoigu is the right guy. It is necessary to take care of those who defend their homeland. So they risk their lives every day (hello O. Buzova).

[Just a man]

When representatives of different structures of the armed forces gather in an informal setting, especially at the level of command at different levels, it is always fun to tell anecdotes, jokes and jokes addressed to each other. Moreover, everything is happening for the good. In the old days, there was such a kind, humorous saying in the military environment - only pilots are worse than sailors. But in essence of this situation, I believe that the report based on the results of the monthly inspection was no less than 100 pages, and apparently, there was not much fun there. In principle, this is a standard situation during inspections. The question is that this snowball of failures and shortcomings did not appear in one day, so it would be necessary to understand more deeply in the upper headquarters and leadership. WHO covered up this case and how.

[serg2108]

For 4 years he was the commander and then bam and a bad officer and commander, something is wrong in Shoigu’s kingdom... again theft and the inability of higher authorities to control local princelings...

[demotivator]

Quote: Angry 55

The Baltic Sea and the Black Sea Fleet are at the forefront of the State’s defense .. Fraud and corruption are unacceptable here and should be punished strictly and irrevocably ..

Exactly! And in the Baltic Fleet, the command decided not to defend the Motherland, but got down to business, that is, theft and additions. As can be seen by anyone who served in the army, this did not contribute to defense capability. That is why more than 50 senior officers and admirals were expelled from the Baltic Fleet...
While some people are going to succeed in teleportation by 2035, the Baltic people have long mastered this science - they have learned to distort reality so much that you just have to hold on. But seriously, the command of the Baltic Fleet was accused of inability to repel an attack by a potential enemy, to organize the life of subordinate troops and ships in peacetime, as well as of lying to the higher command. Under Peter I and Comrade Stalin, such accusations resulted in capital punishment. In the Russian Federation, this only results in dismissal. Bye....

[MDS]

In fact, the Baltic and Black Sea Fleet have been famous since Soviet times for corruption and connections with the top of Moscow, they had a lot of time for this and the ships are nothing, just window dressing. And in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet it is necessary to deal with BP and BG, the situation and service are not very conducive to corruption .

[dvg1959]

In the armed forces, after Serdyukov, many undesirable phenomena are happening, which, to put it mildly, do not contribute to their strengthening.
Under Shoigu, the armed forces began to develop intensively, this is obvious and even our “partners” notice it.
Thanks to this, Russia's position in the world has greatly strengthened.
This is also obvious.
Therefore, I support the actions of the country’s top leadership, including the Minister of Defense.

[vik669]

Quote: Igor V

a hotel with a restaurant and other things was built right in the glide path area

So drop something 500 kilograms right on this.