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Chamomile in Turkish. Turkish Prime Minister Yıldırım said compensation for the downed Su-24 was not discussed

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It seems that the Turkish authorities are starting the game “in the daisy” - “we will not, we will not”, “we will compensate - we will not compensate”. Just a few hours ago, Turkish Prime Minister Yıldırım declared its readiness to pay compensation for the shot down Su-24 Bomber Bomber of the Russian Federation, and now Yıldırım managed to get his words back.

Chamomile in Turkish. Turkish Prime Minister Yıldırım said compensation for the downed Su-24 was not discussed


The Turkish television channel NTV cites a new statement by the Turkish prime minister, who contradicts himself:
Payment of compensation (for the downed aircraft) Russia is not discussed. We only expressed our regret to the Russian Federation.


At the same time, the same Yıldırım declared that the ice in relations between Moscow and Ankara began to melt. Turkish Premier quotes TASS:
Finally, the indirect contacts between our leaders gave results. Ice in the relationship began to melt. The stage of normalization between Russia and Turkey has begun. I wish happiness to both nations.


If you believe Yıldırım, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan played a big role in the “melting of ice” between the Russian Federation and Turkey:
We especially thank our brothers - Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, other regional countries, their leaders - for their great efforts in this matter. We will not confine ourselves to Russia and Egypt. The development of friendly relations with all countries of the Mediterranean and the Black Sea region is our priority.


If Yıldırım stated today that there was no compensation, what prevents Erdogan from announcing tomorrow that he didn’t offer any apologies, especially since the Turkish president’s official statement about the letter to the Kremlin hasn’t yet been made .
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  1. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 28 June 2016 13: 54
    +24
    We are waiting for the second statement - that Erdogad did not think of anyone and nothing to apologize for.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 28 June 2016 13: 58
      +23
      According to a spokesman for Erdogan, the Turkish president only expressed his condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot, he did not apologize to Russia.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 28 June 2016 14: 17
        +2
        razmik72 AM Today, 13:58 ↑
        According to a spokesman for Erdogan, the Turkish president only expressed his condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot, he did not apologize to Russia.


        Here’s how they swear by their mother! What is not good to do so! They swear by their mother by the whole Turkish elite! Then we’ll just talk about some kind of dialogue! Correctly Razmik?
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 28 June 2016 14: 21
          +33
          An apology is an action package that includes:
          1. An oral (intelligible) public apology to the head of state of the Russian Federation, which contains such and such .....
          2. Compensation for the downed Su-24, just because of an apology, means admitting a mistake. Therefore, the recognition of the fact that the plane was shot down unreasonably.
          3. Compensation, monetary, to the family of the deceased pilot.

          All this, not only the budget of Turkey, but even Erdogan personally can handle. I think his family from the oil trade has not one or two annual budgets in New York.
          You just have to be a man, if you began to apologize, we welcome. Yes you are a scoundrel, but since we apologize, we are ready to listen. But if you start as a girl of easy virtue to twist it here - this creates the most negative impression.
          1. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 28 June 2016 14: 36
            +6
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            An apology is an action package that includes:
            1. An oral (intelligible) public apology to the head of state of the Russian Federation, which contains such and such .....
            2. Compensation for the downed Su-24, just because of an apology, means admitting a mistake. Therefore, the recognition of the fact that the plane was shot down unreasonably.
            3. Compensation, monetary, to the family of the deceased pilot.
            the punishment of the sacrament was missed. and retribution for a crime is a necessary thing, for prevention in the future.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 28 June 2016 15: 24
              +6
              Quote: wasjasibirjac
              the punishment of the sacrament was missed. and retribution for a crime is a necessary thing, for prevention in the future.

              If you are about Chilik, the group of which shot our pilot - I completely agree.
              Some people suggest bringing the F-16 pilot to justice - this is already wrong, because the pilot is a soldier who is obliged to follow the orders of superior commanders and commanders.
              1. cniza
                cniza 28 June 2016 17: 30
                +5
                Quote: Expelling Liberoids
                We are waiting for the second statement - that Erdogad did not think of anyone and nothing to apologize for.


                How can you do business with them and agree on something, they go by, until the powers that be are replaced, it is possible to talk to them and poke their nose, but nothing can change in relations.
            2. Rus2012
              Rus2012 28 June 2016 16: 51
              +2
              Quote: wasjasibirjac
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              An apology is an action package that includes:
              1. An oral (intelligible) public apology to the head of state of the Russian Federation, which contains such and such .....
              2. Compensation for the downed Su-24, just because of an apology, means admitting a mistake. Therefore, the recognition of the fact that the plane was shot down unreasonably.
              3. Compensation, monetary, to the family of the deceased pilot.
              the punishment of the sacrament was missed. and retribution for a crime is a necessary thing, for prevention in the future.


              ... it's all FLOWERS!
              Normalization of relations TO THE LEVEL OF DESTRUCTION OF OUR SU - involves more capacious, unambiguous and irreversible actions:
              1. Changing Turkey’s foreign policy towards friendly ones with the conclusion of unambiguous legally binding agreements in various fields of activity, including the military! Most likely, it will be without announcement (as with China).
              2. a change in Turkey’s domestic policy towards the Kurds ...

              Yes, this is Erdogan's "soft surrender" to Russia!
              The main thing is DEALS, not promises and words.
              The main thing is "judge him by his deeds!"
              Apologies were brought before the pilot's family - they repented The material compensation is likely to be transmitted behind the scenes and without witnesses.

              It is necessary to know the "eastern mentality", words and policies for "internal use".
              Here, some couch esperds from the Turks demand almost "pioneer oaths" around the fire ... not knowing and not understanding the East at all ...
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 28 June 2016 15: 31
            +7
            Turkish Prime Minister Yıldırım said compensation for a downed Su-24 was not discussed

            Why do we need compensation? Do we have enough money?
            The Turks, of course, need to buy our loyalty, and so that billions of dollars from tourism will again fall into their already empty pocket! But, this is unlikely to make the Turks forget about their national interests. It is unlikely that they will bomb the Kurds less and support the Turkoman.
            Well, what are we? Now, it’s not expensive, will we again build bridges of friendship with Turkey?
            1. aleks_29296
              aleks_29296 28 June 2016 16: 01
              +8
              Why do we need compensation? Do we have enough money?


              The plane, as it were, is not cheap, but building bridges, even after compensation ... is a very big question. Now many of our farmers have taken loans by investing them in production, which will begin to pay off only after a few years. So do we need back Turkish goods, to the detriment of our producers?
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 28 June 2016 19: 35
                +2
                Quote: aleks_29296
                The plane, as it were, is not cheap, but building bridges, even after compensation ... is a very big question.

                What the Turks want costs immeasurably more! Just because they will not compensate for anything!
                And, so for reference, the Su-24 is an old plane that costs no more than 5 million, and until 2020 all of them will gradually be decommissioned, that is, over three and a half years.
                I wouldn’t even bother with these kopeks, the Turks must bear (and bear!) The punishment for much more money.
            2. volot-voin
              volot-voin 28 June 2016 16: 16
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              Why do we need compensation? Do we have enough money?

              A matter of principle, the recognition of Turkey’s mistake and its leadership. It's not about the money.
          3. Thrall
            Thrall 28 June 2016 15: 51
            +13

            Errors must not be recognized. They must be washed off. Blood!
          4. Yeraz
            Yeraz 28 June 2016 16: 02
            +8
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            You just have to be a man, if you began to apologize, we welcome.

            So there was no apology. This Peskov issued. The statement that the Turks published in Turkish does not contain the word SORRY, if the word can be interpreted as sorry, but literally it does not translate. That's what Peskov played on this.
            1. VICTOR-61
              VICTOR-61 28 June 2016 17: 06
              +3
              here our fanned out sorry but it turns out they all came up - these United Russia people are such liars as promises of pensions in 2017 - it is POSSIBLE - but in the end, after the voting they will say no, but you hold on
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 28 June 2016 17: 08
                +1
                Quote: VICTOR-61
                here our fanned out sorry but it turns out they all came up - these United Russia people are such liars as promises of pensions in 2017 - it is POSSIBLE - but in the end, after the voting they will say no, but you hold on

                they are not alone so exceptional. Erdogan is also that storyteller.
            2. your1970
              your1970 28 June 2016 20: 16
              0
              "The statement that the Turks published in Turkish is not there" - appeals to the head of state are ALWAYS in 2 languages, so that it is clear what they said and what they wanted. Peskov is not a boy from the side street either.
              So I think that the maximum possible option is the multivariance of the interpretation of the word of a particular word ...

              Z.Y. no so no, we will wait ...

              And there the velvet season will soon be squeezed out of Erdogan, all that is necessary and not necessary ....
              1. serg2.72
                serg2.72 28 June 2016 20: 30
                0
                Once he watched an interview with the Israeli prime minister, he promised to clear the situation with Turkey. And then I look, Israel signed an agreement with Turkey and immediately we apologized. It seems that there is some kind of exchange and Israel is not the last in it. And secondly, I doubt that the Turks have squeezed the economy, you remember who, how and what shot down the Turkish helicopter. Erdogan is more afraid of Kurds and, accordingly, of our help (Kurds) is possible.
          5. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 28 June 2016 16: 33
            +5
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            You just have to be a man, if you began to apologize, we welcome.

            Yes, they, as the most insistent Men, gave their word, and again, as men took it back.
        2. razmik72
          razmik72 28 June 2016 14: 42
          +1
          Quote: Observer2014
          razmik72 AM Today, 13:58 ↑
          According to a spokesman for Erdogan, the Turkish president only expressed his condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot, he did not apologize to Russia.


          Here’s how they swear by their mother! What is not good to do so! They swear by their mother by the whole Turkish elite! Then we’ll just talk about some kind of dialogue! Correctly Razmik?

          I don’t swear by my mother, but I can’t say about the Turks, there were no contacts with them, I talked on trade matters with Azerbaijanis (Transcaucasian Turks), but they did not swear by mom fellow .
          1. Temples
            Temples 28 June 2016 15: 06
            0
            with Azerbaijanis (Transcaucasian Turks)

            Is that right in the face of the Azerbaijanis and said that they are "Transcaucasian Turks"?
            And did they agree?
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 28 June 2016 15: 23
              -3
              Quote: Temples
              with Azerbaijanis (Transcaucasian Turks)

              Is that right in the face of the Azerbaijanis and said that they are "Transcaucasian Turks"?
              And did they agree?

              Read the comments of Eraz and other Azerbaijani forum users on the forum, and I will surprise you, my friends do not need to say in person that they are Transcaucasian Turks, they are proud to talk about it.
              1. HERMES
                HERMES 28 June 2016 16: 10
                +7
                Quote: razmik72
                Read the comments of Eraz and other Azerbaijani forum users on the forum, and I will surprise you, my friends do not need to say in person that they are Transcaucasian Turks, they are proud to talk about it.


                Hello comrade Razmik ... if the opinion of the majority agrees, this does not mean that it is correct. It would be more correct - "Transcaucasian Turks". As in our languages ​​there is no word "Turk", there is a word "Turk" - but they refer to "Turks" Kazakhs, Azerbaijanis, Turks, Uzbeks, Turkmens



                , Tajiks. And here is a map of the distribution of the people:
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 28 June 2016 16: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: HERMES
                  It would be more correct to say "Transcaucasian Turks".

                  It will not be right. Because they started to pronounce it in such a way to separate the Turks from each other. They made some Turks and others Türks. Before that, they simply called everyone who spoke türk Tatars for the purpose of disassembling, since they first saw the Tatars, and then everyone those who spoke seemed to have become Tatars. But this does not mean that it was right.
                  If in our languages ​​there is no Türk, but there is TURK, that’s right. It’s just that Turkish Turks are one, Azerbaijan is different, and Cossack Turks are different.

                  We are Belarusians, Belarusians, but we don’t call Russian Russians.
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 28 June 2016 16: 38
                    +3
                    Russian rusky
                    quit verbiage. the same vinaigrette, some Russian Ukrainians, others Russians ...
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 28 June 2016 16: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      the same vinaigrette, some Russian Ukrainians, others Russians ...

                      No, if it comes to the names of Azerbaijanis, etc.
                2. razmik72
                  razmik72 28 June 2016 16: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: HERMES
                  Quote: razmik72
                  Read the comments of Eraz and other Azerbaijani forum users on the forum, and I will surprise you, my friends do not need to say in person that they are Transcaucasian Turks, they are proud to talk about it.


                  Hello comrade Razmik ... if the opinion of the majority agrees, this does not mean that it is correct. It would be more correct - "Transcaucasian Turks". As in our languages ​​there is no word "Turk", there is a word "Turk" - but they refer to "Turks" Kazakhs, Azerbaijanis, Turks, Uzbeks, Turkmens




                  , Tajiks. And here is a map of the distribution of the people:

                  "If the opinion of the majority of members of the forum agrees, then this does not mean that it is true" - I completely agree with you. Turkish Turks are often called Anatolian Turks or Turks, whatever you like. Azerbaijani Turks or Turks are the name of the same Turks, based on geographic affiliation.
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 28 June 2016 16: 07
              +1
              Quote: Temples
              Is that right in the face of the Azerbaijanis and said that they are "Transcaucasian Turks"?
              And did they agree?

              And what to refuse the obvious ???? We are Azerbaijani Turks. Net of ethnicity is Azerbaijani. This is like the Russians, but this does not mean that all Russians are Russians.
              And the Turks do not call us Azerbaijanis, but they call Azeri-Turk. And in Iran, where there are about 20 million Azerbaijanis, the Persians and others do not call them Azerbaijanis, but they call them TURK. The name Azerbaijanis is the case of Stalin, who began to change Turk to Azerbaijanis in passports .

              Here are the passports of the population of Azerbaijan before Stalin’s decree on turning everyone into Azerbaijanis.
              1. HERMES
                HERMES 28 June 2016 18: 05
                +2
                Yeraz .... "Azerbaijanis" are the same as "Russians". This name comes from the name of the state. The same story in the United States ... almost the entire population of which is never Americans in fact. Most of them these are the Germans and the British.

                The composition of the "Azerbaijanis"
                includes: Azeri ("long-suffering" Transcaucasian Türks), Avars, Lezgins, Armenians, Russians,

                Talysh, Tatars, Turks, Ingiloys (Azerbaijani Georgians) Kurds, Taty, Mountain Jews (there has never been persecution against them) and Udins. These are Azerbaijanis. And we all live together. Unlike the same Armenians. Whoever the Armenians are were friends ... few people live on their territory except themselves.


                Personally, I consider myself an Azerbaijani.

                Actually the Turks in the world from 150 to 190 million people.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 28 June 2016 18: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: HERMES
                  These are Azerbaijanis. And we all live together. Unlike the same Armenians. With whom the Armenians are not friends ... few live on their territory except themselves.

                  correctly.
                  Quote: HERMES
                  Personally, I consider myself an Azerbaijani.

                  Well, a Chechen with a Tatar can consider themselves a Russian, but then they don’t stop being a Chechen and a Tatar. Like a European, he can be a European and remain a German and a Frenchman.
                  By blood you are a Turk, and by land an Azerbaijani. One does not interfere with the other, if you come from Azerbaijan.
                  But if you deny your blood and adhere only to the land principle, then for me personally it is ridiculous.
                2. Lekxnumx
                  Lekxnumx 29 June 2016 04: 44
                  +1
                  I was born and live in Az-no and I do not call myself "az-cem" in principle Lezghin and call it. Do not confuse the media and the citizens of the Russian Federation themselves do not use the phrase "we are Russians Slavs" they say "we are Russian Slavs" and Russians call citizens RF of different nationalities. The exact opposite among az-tsev "we are Azeris are Turkiuk". If we take into account that in the documents the metric and military ID in the column nationality, I go like Lezghin, and Turkler are written as az-ts. CONCLUSION? Azeri is not the same as a Russian. there was no persecution of other peoples in Az-no less it is necessary to watch az-tv, but this is not the merit of the Az-tse people, but the merit of the authorities. In the 90s, after the well-known events, the Lezghins were recorded as az-tsev in changing documents, an example of my father and all my relatives in Baku are the initiative of the workers who issued the documents. Everyone knows very well that there are not much more Lezgins in Az-Azerbaijan than in Dagestan, for this statistics are not needed, just any Baku resident of Sumgait since childhood has at least one Lezghin friend. But Lezghins 180 people have increased by 000 since 1999. Taking into account the growth rate of the population of Az-na, this is nonsense, even taking into account the natural outflow of the population, assimilation, etc. In Az-no problems for the Lezgins, the government prints books for Russian schools , material base, universities. And AT THE SECOND NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE, they scored a bolt, no state support to preserve the language, they have to bring and learn books from Dagestan. and so on. Which I can write with examples and names and surnames!
                  1. Knizhnik
                    Knizhnik 29 June 2016 10: 32
                    0
                    any Baku People in Sumgait have at least one Lezgin friend since childhood

                    + 100500!
                    President Elchibey really broke firewood with national policy, Heydar Aliyevich had to work hard. As for education, Wikipedia cheerfully reports on how things really are, we need to ask Lezghin friends. Unfortunately and shame, we now generally have a common problem of issuing books, including in state language, the quality of books and generally education in state language leaves much to be desired. With a better Russian, it’s good that the Russian Federation publishes good books, they use them, we still cannot publish them ourselves. All hopes for Mikail Jabbarov.
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 29 June 2016 11: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Knizhnik
                      President Elchibey really broke firewood with national policy,

                      Elchibey did not calculate his strength; he could have achieved more if he had not been so direct and sharp. The tricks were not enough in him.
                  2. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 29 June 2016 11: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Lek3338
                    Azerbaijani is not the same as Russian

                    it’s the same thing. It’s just that the word Azerbaijanian was turned into a nationality. Nobody called himself an Azerbaijani before Stalin. Muslims and Turk-DA. But not an Azerbaijani.
                    And as a result of this policy, most of the Lezghins and Talyshs remained Lezghins and Talyshs, and the Turks turned into Azerbaijanis. Yes, for Azerbaijan, this had a certain positive moment, since it allowed many people to assimilate, but a powerful blow was delivered to the Turks.
                    But the benefit is changing, although there is still a long way to go. And the fact that everyone lives in Baku is also a huge step towards assimilation. And this is a necessity for state security purposes. The state could do this in a shorter time and more quickly, but everything happens naturally, but slowly.
                    And right now, in the republic, the struggle of the Turkists against the Azerbaijanists is essentially going on.
                    1. HERMES
                      HERMES 29 June 2016 17: 00
                      0
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      And right now, in the republic, the struggle of the Turkists against the Azerbaijanists is essentially going on.

                      Who do you belong to?
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      But the benefit is changing, although there is still a long way to go. And the fact that everyone lives in Baku is also a huge step towards assimilation. And this is a necessity for state security purposes. The state could do this in a shorter time and more quickly, but everything happens naturally, but slowly.

                      In this our opinions agree ... about the same I wrote a little higher.
                      Rapid assimilation would lead to blood ... this is unacceptable. Both in terms of humanism and sound logic in our case.
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 29 June 2016 19: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: HERMES
                        Who do you belong to?

                        Well, I’m more Turksit with forced Azerbaijanism, since assimilation has not reached a peak. Only after this peak, can Elchibei choose the path of ardent Turkism.
                        Quote: HERMES
                        Rapid assimilation would lead to blood ... this is unacceptable. Both in terms of humanism and sound logic in our case.

                        There is still assimilation of another plan. The Turks themselves. But there is a regional division, and if earlier marriages between the Nakhchivan and Agjabadi were rare, then right now you will meet more such marriages. And this is also a good moment in strengthening the national element.
                    2. Lekxnumx
                      Lekxnumx 30 June 2016 09: 36
                      +1
                      Eraz this kind of policy will come back to haunt for Az-na very harshly, state security is unbearable, if there is no trust in its citizens, even if this does not last for a long time of another nationality. And the Lezgins know perfectly well that they do not trust them and will choose a side from this context. I would not trust the country and the people when talking with whom, if the opinion goes against it, they are automatically called a “sadvalist.” And the same can be said about other Lezgins, after all, I am in the Lezghin community on social networks, not in one but in dozens. Assimilation is said too loudly, tough assimilation in relation to Lezgins would not have worked out for the government of Az-n, once they tried and Qusar already set up border posts with Az-n. Everyone already knows (I think it is not necessary to tell) which Lezgins are stubborn and direct in judgments still historically developed so, as Ichilov wrote among the Persians the proverb "if the shah is stupid goes to war against the Lezghins" among the Az-tsev proverb Lezgide henchel chykhdi gan chykhdi (if the Lezgin pulled out a dagger spilled to Therefore, the Lezgins in Dagestan and in Az are not called nationalists. But very often they make an elephant out of a fly, which turns Lezghins into nationalists. You can read the rest in an answer to Hermes.
                  3. HERMES
                    HERMES 29 June 2016 16: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Lek3338
                    any Baku People in Sumgait have at least one Lezgin friend since childhood


                    Among my closest friends, the Lezgins make up half of them) But I have never heard from them about oppression. Although knowing our "Nakhchivans" ... and other nationalists ... I have no doubt that harassment took place. In the comments above, I meant more "bloody" oppression. The Lezgins and Talysh are most likely subjected to nationalist oppression at the moment. Moreover, this is the fault of the peoples themselves. I will explain why: in the 90s SADVAL and a similar organization spoiled the State with a lot of blood. The war in Garabakh, the threat of civil war, the threat of the collapse of the country itself. They wanted independence. Only the Talysh did not understand that they had gained independence. They are seized by IRAN, and the Lezgins are that Russia will add them to Dagestan. Although the peoples themselves may think this option is better, but Azerbaijan is not very good.

                    Aliyev was forced to assimilate the Lezghins and Talyshs, because their desire for independence would ruin the State itself. From the point of view of the country's leadership ... it is a necessity. Absolutely any state would behave in such circumstances.

                    By the way ... Lek ... are you accidentally not from Nabran or from Akhta?
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 29 June 2016 19: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: HERMES
                      Only the Talysh did not understand that, having gained independence, Iran is seizing them

                      By the way, I think the opposite. Iran is not at all interested in Talysh independence.
                      After all, think, passively, both Nakhchivans and Yerazi are Shiites. But who are the active Shiites ?? What is Shiism essentially based on ?? Correctly on Talysh and Baku villages, these are the engines of Shiism, the fire that does not allow it to go out. And Iran understands if you remove- this fire the process of Sunnism or nationalization without an element of Shiism will quickly embrace the island.
                      The Lezgins do the same, only in a different way. Now the Arabs are not interested, since the Lezghins are the main element of Sunniism in Azerbaijan, in fact they are the Avars and are the majority of Sunnis. Plus Wahhabism is not small there. And here the Arabs are also for whole Azerbaijan, since without the Sunnis, Shiitization will be complete.
                      Although if Russia decides to add Lezgi, the Arabs will complicate the matter, but they will not be able to prevent it.
                      Therefore, Azerbaijanization, and then Turkization is not Turks, let alone the integrity of the state.
                      1. Lekxnumx
                        Lekxnumx 30 June 2016 10: 16
                        0
                        The biggest misconception is that the Lezgins are carte blanche of Russia in relation to Az-na. I will tell you a monstrous secret Russia is against the annexation of the Lezgins to Dagestan, against this and the Avars and all other peoples of Dagestan. And the special services of Az-na and the Russian Federation work together, after each events in Baku European Games, Eurovision and so on catch Lezgins "Wahhabis" and miraculously after Patrushev's visit))) Lezgins are the only people in the Caucasus who interfere with everyone with their nationalism, even Dudayev said there are two peoples in the Caucasus whose independence is in the blood of Chechens and Lezgins He then threatened Az-nu with the Lezgin question, and since then the special services of the Russian Federation and Az-na have been working together in this direction. Do you think Makhmudov is the head of the MTN, this one who blackmailed the singers and was engaged in simple extortion could prevent the flow of terrorist attacks into Az-no, yes He's a simple dilettante. Why wasn't Safar Abiyev tat caught by nationality, his bribes in the Ministry of Defense are monstrous, and who is actually running the Ministry of Defense of Az-na? Nadzhmetdin (az-nets on ation of Derbent) and both of them are people of Russia. Talk to the military, they will tell you everything why these people are untouchable, after the arrival of Zakir, the military complain about the detention of wages, the bribe has increased. Paradox? Az TV doesn’t say that? That’s exactly what you need to communicate with people who are in structure, they will tell a lot of interesting things about what I do not want to write here.
                      2. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 30 June 2016 20: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        I will tell you the monstrous secret of Russia against the accession of Lezgins to Dagestan

                        Now, what will happen in 10 years? We don’t know geopolitics so forward.
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        against this and the Avars and all other peoples of Dagestan.

                        But these are in any case against. And so the Lezghins are weakly represented in power in Dagestan with respect to their composition, and here a key of at least another 200 thousand Lezgins will lead to a crisis. They just can say our whole south and we spat on Makhachkala. Avars and others will not be able to, because in the south they are not or miserable.
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        . Do you think Makhmudov the head of MTN that who blackmailed the singers and was engaged in simple extortion could prevent the flow of terrorist attacks in Az

                        Well, of course, it’s not personally him. U Chovdarov, who is the main person involved in the position of head of the main security department in the field Energy и Transport.
                        There are other departments and offices that are directly responsible for agents abroad, intelligence of Armenians and other countries. Yes, of course, contacts are being made with the Russian special services, with Israel and Turkey.
                        But to say that no one is doing anything, but just sitting on the phone, waiting for a call from the Kremlin, is a spit in the direction of really working people in this area.
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        Najmetdin (Az-Nets by Derbent nation) and both of them are people of Russia

                        Well, I would not say that he steers right there. Yes, he has a great influence, but Zakir does not just wear a mustache.
                      3. Lekxnumx
                        Lekxnumx 30 June 2016 10: 35
                        0
                        Eraz in Az-not-enlightened people know very well who works for the Russian Federation and thanks to whom the Russian Federation sells weapons. With whom they first met after the April events, yes Najmeddin)) There is simply a big misconception that both Abiyev and Nadzheddin Lezgins therefore think that the Russian Federation through Lezgin presses, this is not the wife of Lezghinka Najmeddin and he knows the Lezghin language, but he is a purebred az-nets of Dagestan himself. Lezgins are generals and the military, but they are a separate issue. It is not surprising that Lezgins are many and often confused, historically Lezghins were divided into two parts. Plain and mountainous, the second ones were always mercenaries and there was no war in the Caucasus where Lezgin mercenaries would not participate. Our people are very simple and stubborn, we can’t trick and the biggest problem is categorical. If Lezgin says that he is an enemy to Azets you will never convince him, I tried a lot. In Az, there is no second nation that can talk so flattering about the titular nation as Lezgins, how many jokes around Talyshs but they seem not to answer they’re comfortable, and the Lezgins had a softer but more historically friendly name for the Az-Türks of the Türks Ts1apami, I argued a lot on this topic with them that it’s impossible to generalize. But to no avail, if we knew how to cheat and play on two fronts, we had everything. But ours it’s very difficult to think and say and to convince them, I’m a democrat myself in this matter. But sometimes I don't need them and I don’t trust us. Therefore, I say in politics there are no fraternal peoples, especially ours.
                      4. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 30 June 2016 20: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        There is simply a big misconception that both Abiyev and Nadzheddin Lezgins therefore think that the Russian Federation presses through Lezgin

                        Well, if these 2 idiots cannot connect 2 words in Azerbaijani, somewhere in Lezgi, they said something, he opened a school in Dagestan in honor of himself, is a national hero there and does not even try to prove to everyone, uh, why are you mən azərbaycanlıyam , people think, silent means truth.
                        I then know from Abiyev the same Lezgin as a Chinese from me.
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        .In Az, there is no second nation that can speak so flattering of a titular nation as Lezgins,

                        ummh, wait a minute. On the one hand, say that Lezgins do not know how to trick, cut the truth of the uterus and at the same time are the first in flattery towards Azerbaijanis. Does this mean that most Lezghins are good towards Azerbaijanis (Turks) ??? And those who hate make up a tiny minority?
                      5. Lekxnumx
                        Lekxnumx 1 July 2016 14: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        ummh, wait a minute. On the one hand, say that Lezgins do not know how to trick, cut the truth of the uterus and at the same time are the first in flattery towards Azerbaijanis. Does this mean that most Lezghins are good towards Azerbaijanis (Turks) ??? And those who hate make up a tiny minority?

                        Interpretation, however, no flattery, I met more flattery from Az-ts, starting with the army and ending with those at work. Ironically, I speak Az-ski better than many Az-ts themselves, and even more so without a northern accent. It often happened that I listened to what we were. We can suddenly betray the bad Lezgins)) And then, according to the template "her brother, you are our Gardashig, the Armenians are stirring up" What to want for your people is not a betrayal of the second people, the attitude to az-ts is 50 to 50 according to Az-well and 80 to 20 Negative to Dagestan. As for the Talysh who calls him a brother and then a flag. So you never thought he calls you a brother and not all of Az-an? You can mean flags but they can't? It's hard to imagine a people who would not want statehood and its attributes, the exception of mankurt who do not know their language, history, culture, and so on. So, as it were, do not care what he is. Let's return to flattery again to the north and a trip there to explain everything, if our people had flattery, we would swear "fidelity" and stir up the silence. And so our organizations in e That issue is sometimes open with nonsense, but in general they are open. Flattery from Az-ts, tolerance and all such crap, but in place of prohibitions. As a fact, there is flattery of the government of Az-na, and all the isolated cases in life mean ANYTHING by comparison.
                    2. Lekxnumx
                      Lekxnumx 30 June 2016 10: 03
                      +2
                      You didn’t hear from them because they are friends with you. I, too, have a cup of tea or beer with my friends, the last thing I want to discuss is politics, we prefer food ball girls and young people as they do. But when it comes to dealing with some, they agree with some some are not. I am exclusively friends with the Bakuis and Lezgins. As for Sadval, I wrote what came to this, the fault of the government of Az-na, in Sadval there were people who worked for the special services of Az-na, by the way of which they, too, ironically)) I myself am from Kusar from the paternal side! mutuyar tribe from my grandmother, from the grandfather’s side I’m from megyenar. Maternal grandfather of the mother from Agzegyar (Akhty) from the grandmother from the Kentsemar tribe. Here ask your friends what language they speak in the family? ask them to quote a classic in Lezgi, let them tell you about Lezgi to religious mythology, folklore and folklore. If they can’t, then the answer is simple they are NOT LEZGINS, I call such genetic trash. If a person’s past is not interested in culture or the future of his people, then I can’t name it differently. Don’t be offended for them, I have relatives, I tell them in person, therefore they don’t like me)) I prefer to sit and chat with az-ceme or an Armenian at the table who knows who he is, what he does not know about Lezgin and who does not think about his people preserving it. So in such things I am categorical even in relation to my relatives.
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 30 June 2016 20: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        You didn’t hear from them because they are friends with you. I, too, over a cup of tea or beer with my friends, the last thing I want to discuss is politics, we prefer foodball

                        I know a few Talyshs who in St. Petersburg have a brother, Jan brother say, but at home the flags of Talyshstan and the desire to separate. One thing is a wrapper, and another thing is chocolate itself)))
                      2. Knizhnik
                        Knizhnik 1 July 2016 11: 51
                        +1
                        such I call genetic trash

                        Brother, you judge such people very strictly. If someone is poorly educated, it is often not his fault, and in the end it can be fixed. The main thing, in my opinion, is self-identification, pride in your nation, for the absence of this you really should not be respected
                      3. HERMES
                        HERMES 2 July 2016 07: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Knizhnik
                        Brother, you judge such people very strictly. If someone is poorly educated, it is often not his fault, and in the end it can be fixed. The main thing, in my opinion, is self-identification, pride in your nation, for the absence of this you really should not be respected


                        I agree with you .... in most cases, these people simply do not want to deal with this. Too thorny (in black) this way. Nationalism and the thirst for independence have killed millions of people. Upon reaching this goal, for the most part it did not get better .... more often it got worse.
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        .If they can’t, then the answer is simple, they are NOT LEZGINS, such I call genetic garbage. If the culture of the past, present or the future of its people is not of interest to a person, I can’t name it differently. Don’t be offended for them, I have relatives, I tell them in person, therefore they don’t like me))


                        I still don’t agree about garbage ... my Lezgi friends
                        they are very proud that they are Lezgins ... and not knowledge of their language (with all that it implies) due to the fact that almost all of them are Baku Lezgins.

                        You know ... who in my opinion is genetic garbage? These are those who are ready to kill and slaughter for their beliefs and ideas. For those ideas and beliefs, the appearance of which is not the result of the first genocide.

                        What did the Nazis do in Germany ... they turned half of Europe into hell. For what? For their culture. For their "exceptionalism", for their Empire.For ideas and beliefs.Which can never justify the deaths of tens of millions of people, even if they are good.

                        You don’t even have to go far for the Germans ...

                        The Armenians and their craving for Great Armenia will be closer. I think you know perfectly well what happened. 75 years no one cut each other. And then “nationalists” appear. “They are pressing us” ... they want to liquidate our language, our culture. “We are proud "..." We will show you. "On the other hand, Azerbaijani urds-colleagues are the first to do the same. And what is the result? So much blood was shed that having collected it in some rocky hole, one could easily drown thousands of people. crimson like this text to the lake.


                        Friends ... let's live together ... when I can say this with a smile on my face ...
          2. Observer2014
            Observer2014 28 June 2016 15: 46
            +2
            razmik72
            I don’t swear by my mother, but I can’t say about the Turks, there were no contacts with them, I talked on trade matters with Azerbaijanis (Transcaucasian Turks), but they did not swear by mom as a fellow either.

            Personally, you may not have sworn. But what do you think (let's say diplomatically) In whose circles is this "word-growing" popular?
            And then I suddenly do not recognize Adler. laughing
            Razmik I will tell you a terrible state secret! That's how many Azerbaijanis and Georgians I personally know. They are all for some reason (unlike their officials) Just like specially they come across decent people in Adler!
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 28 June 2016 16: 36
              0
              Quote: Observer2014
              razmik72
              I don’t swear by my mother, but I can’t say about the Turks, there were no contacts with them, I talked on trade matters with Azerbaijanis (Transcaucasian Turks), but they did not swear by mom as a fellow either.

              Personally, you may not have sworn. But what do you think (let's say diplomatically) In whose circles is this "word-growing" popular?
              And then I suddenly do not recognize Adler. laughing
              Razmik I will tell you a terrible state secret! That's how many Azerbaijanis and Georgians I personally know. They are all for some reason (unlike their officials) Just like specially they come across decent people in Adler!

              I am not responsible for the Adler’s Armenians, I’m not the Catholicos of all Armenians. I can only answer for myself.
        3. joopel
          joopel 28 June 2016 15: 33
          +7
          An oath given to an infidel is not considered an oath. They can be sworn by mom and dad, and by all kagal, and by breakdown. This is just an empty phrase. There is no faith in the back! Turkey is our historical enemy. This will remain until its complete disappearance from the world map.
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        5. NIKNN
          NIKNN 28 June 2016 15: 52
          +2
          Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, .... ....
        6. Sharapov
          Sharapov 28 June 2016 15: 55
          +3
          Nevertheless, Putin has already made telephone calls with Erodogan.

          It comes to the point that there were no real apologies and compensations from the Turks, and Putin himself requested negotiations .... Yeah. East is a delicate matter.
        7. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 28 June 2016 16: 03
          +3
          Quote: Observer2014
          That's how they swear by mom!

          Yeah, almost like in the movie "On the Game", when gamers entered the warehouse (where there were already militants) to help out their comrade. They harassed a local and asked a question, he answered them with the addition - "I swear by my mother." And when the boys entered the hall and saw the militants who were hawking, he uttered the abbreviated phrase - "I have no mother" and slammed the door. Gamers, however, killed the militants, but this is KYNO.
          But the Turks, as they were, remained traders and it makes no difference to them what to trade: in a word, deed ...
        8. volot-voin
          volot-voin 28 June 2016 16: 14
          0
          Quote: Observer2014
          That's how they swear by their mother! What is not good to do so! Everyone tour

          If he undertook to apologize, then let him apologize to the end. Or went on ....
      2. marl
        marl 28 June 2016 14: 31
        +6
        Quote: razmik72
        According to a spokesman for Erdogan, the Turkish president only expressed his condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot, he did not apologize to Russia.

        But we didn’t think that Erdogan would take it so simply, after seven months of unconsciousness, and suddenly apologize.
        Yes, he will say "In the name of alleviating the pain and the severity of the damage caused, we are ready for any initiative."- quote from a letter to Putin.
        Of course, it was all a fake.
        One thing is strange, if there were no apologies yesterday, then why did the Turkish President’s press secretary today did not have refute? Maybe it was they who took their letter yesterday as an apology, but today they decided to get off? ...
      3. meriem1
        meriem1 28 June 2016 15: 15
        +4
        Quote: razmik72
        According to a spokesman for Erdogan, the Turkish president only expressed his condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot, he did not apologize to Russia.

        So it started! People words! they themselves said, they themselves abandoned what was said. And how to build such a relationship ??? They walked through the forest ...
        PS. And then We remember that- "To deceive the non-black is not a sin." Hence the disappointing conclusions!
      4. Altona
        Altona 28 June 2016 17: 04
        0
        Quote: razmik72
        According to a spokesman for Erdogan, the Turkish president only expressed his condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot, he did not apologize to Russia.

        ---------------------
        Tolmachi of the Turkish text yesterday generally said that Erdogan expressed bewilderment at the current situation, well, or something similar like regret, but as such, no apologies were made in the text.
      5. Scoun
        Scoun 28 June 2016 17: 06
        +1
        Quote: razmik72
        According to a spokesman for Erdogan, the Turkish president only expressed his condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot, he did not apologize to Russia.

        What can I say here? All sorts of speculations and statements will take place for a long time, there is a document, there are statements, and there is manipulation of statements designed for one’s own and not one’s consumer of "fried" news.
        Personally, I liked the excerpt from the American newspaper.
        Financial Times
        Turkish President apologizes to Putin for the downed bomber
        28th of June 2016
        Erdogan "opened the door" to detente in relations between Moscow and Ankara after a violent diplomatic quarrel. According to Russian diplomats and experts, the fact that the Kremlin announced an apology from the Turkish side is a sign that Russia has accepted them.

        but could not accept with all that it implies.
      6. weksha50
        weksha50 28 June 2016 19: 10
        0
        Quote: razmik72
        Turkish president only expresses condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot



        Very timely ... After 7 months ...
      7. Foxmara
        Foxmara 29 June 2016 03: 40
        0
        Quote: razmik72
        According to spokeswoman Erdogan

        and on the eve it literally sounded: "sorry"
        Turks everywhere behave like in an oriental bazaar, but it does not feed everywhere. Our "owners" do not value words.
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 28 June 2016 13: 58
      0
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      We are waiting for the second statement - that Erdogad did not think of anyone and nothing to apologize for.

      No, it’s not relevant - to declare - so immediately - It’s not we who shot down, but the Kurds and we are taking revenge for it!
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 28 June 2016 13: 59
        +8
        there is no former greatness of the Ottomans. So ... Big ambitions with low desires

        Therefore, not here and there, but ... hanging in the hole

        Now, against the backdrop of friendship with Israel, he will again change his mind. And then the EU will bark and change its mind again, then something else will happen and there will be a couple of high-profile statements

        Like a woman during menstruation. Here it is, what is modern Turkey under the ruler of imbecile


        wrote yesterday) so that he looked into the water.

        Sanctions do not cancel. Do not build a pipe. Let NPP finish building with Ukrainians brothers together

    3. Vend
      Vend 28 June 2016 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      We are waiting for the second statement - that Erdogad did not think of anyone and nothing to apologize for.

      He earns popularity, hopes to enter the big league on breaking Erdogan. laughing
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 28 June 2016 14: 38
        +2
        Quote: Wend

        He earns popularity, hopes to enter the big league on breaking Erdogan.

        WHO?????????? Yildirim?
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 28 June 2016 16: 01
        0
        Sorry, but who hopes?
    4. st25310
      st25310 28 June 2016 14: 00
      +1
      They still do not understand that they will have to buy not SU24, but SU34!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 28 June 2016 14: 20
        +5
        Quote: st25310
        They still do not understand that they will have to buy not SU24, but SU34!



        They do not understand another ... they will have to remove the mosque from Hagia Sophia ... and rename Istanbul ... repeat

        Although Ataturk made a really wise decision ...
        1. Artem25
          Artem25 28 June 2016 15: 00
          +1
          Your words, but to God’s ears ...
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 28 June 2016 15: 11
            +2
            Quote: Artyom25
            Your words, but to God’s ears ...


            everything has its time ... no need to rush ... wink
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 28 June 2016 14: 03
      +1
      It will end up crawling on their knees. But this will already be a cry for mercy, not forgiveness.
    6. Dimontius
      Dimontius 28 June 2016 14: 07
      +6
      The main thing is that now we would not seize on this letter as the only straw to normalize relations (but for now it seems to be going towards this, judging by our media). We need to be persistent !!! He is already retreating, a little more and taking flight.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 28 June 2016 14: 12
        -3
        Let ours continue to beg for apologies and compensations
    7. Mahmut
      Mahmut 28 June 2016 14: 11
      +3
      The owner can immediately see his word, he wanted to give his word, he wanted to take it back. The Turks agreed to pay $ 100 to Peshkov’s relatives minus the cost of transporting the body before handing it over to the Russian side. And on the Su-24 agreed to pay only the residual value of the aircraft minus depreciation. The Ministry of Defense, which trained the pilot, is not going to compensate anything at all. As expected, there is an imitation of reconciliation and apology. But Putin will surely meet the Turks and the next time the video on the destruction of another Turkish technology will not be accompanied by a Russian melody.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 28 June 2016 14: 16
        +2
        Quote: Mahmut
        The Turks agreed to pay $ 100 to Peshkov’s relatives minus the cost of transporting the body before handing it over to the Russian side. And on the Su-24 agreed to pay only the residual value of the aircraft minus depreciation. The Ministry of Defense, which trained the pilot, is not going to compensate anything at all. As expected, there is an imitation of reconciliation and apology.

        And where did you get such information?
        1. DIVAN SOLDIER
          DIVAN SOLDIER 28 June 2016 14: 23
          0
          Yes, no one will pay anything to anyone, and Putin will still shake Erdogan’s hand, you’ll see ...
        2. Khariton
          Khariton 28 June 2016 14: 25
          -6
          They will pay us bastards for everything! You have no idea what "negative" energy and claims everyone has gathered in this conflict against the Turks ...
          Russia is the first in line! soldier (Israel, let it not rub your hands, there is also a claim to you ..))) soldier
          1. miru mir
            miru mir 28 June 2016 15: 17
            +3
            Poor. If you don’t yelp at Israel, you cannot sleep peacefully laughing
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 28 June 2016 14: 27
        +2
        Quote: Mahmut
        But Putin will surely meet the Turks and the next time the video on the destruction of another Turkish technology will not be accompanied by a Russian melody.


        Are you talking about self-propelled guns and mestizo?
    8. The black
      The black 28 June 2016 14: 28
      +5
      It is absolutely impossible to believe .. in the morning compensation for the plane, at lunch ---- we joked ... as it was, it should remain so, relations will be when there is another president ...
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 28 June 2016 14: 32
        +3
        I am inclined to say that this is a sand duck, such as an excuse for normalizing relations. And well done Turks stubbornly defend their position.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 28 June 2016 15: 15
          +2
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          I am inclined to say that this is a sand duck, such as an excuse for normalizing relations. And well done Turks stubbornly defend their position.

          Yes, I wrote about this in the morning! Why isn't Erdogan himself talking about Erdogan’s apology, but our Peskov?
          Has anyone heard or seen an apology ?! Is the Russian people not worthy to hear these apologies ?!

          Well, well, we all unconditionally believe in Peskov! But, after all, someone may not believe! The whole world saw the Russian Su-24 shot down, but no one saw Erdogan apologize! If tomorrow the wind blows the other way and Erdogan again changes position? If he says, has this ever happened? We only have the words of Peskov and the bright faith that there were, of course, apologies!
          Personally, I don’t need an apology from a villain hunted down by circumstances! After all, circumstances can always change ...
    9. Wolverine
      Wolverine 28 June 2016 14: 31
      +1
      Yeah, the guys got hooked on the grass ... People of this level should have a sense of self-esteem and keep this word, or else right Gulchatai from the china shop.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 28 June 2016 14: 35
        +3
        Why keep your word to someone you don't respect?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 28 June 2016 15: 16
          +6
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Why keep your word to someone you don't respect?


          Turkish wisdom says ... Adam adamı bir defa (kere) aldatır. (Man deceives man once)
    10. asadov
      asadov 28 June 2016 15: 35
      0
      maybe then we should play some games with them too?
    11. RUS96
      RUS96 28 June 2016 16: 39
      0
      What kind of people are these? .. besides disgust for such people, I’m not experiencing anything.
    12. PValery53
      PValery53 28 June 2016 16: 43
      0
      About Erdogad - thanks. lol
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    14. papas-57
      papas-57 28 June 2016 19: 57
      +1
      Judging by the controversial publications, the Kremlin is eager to hear Turkey's apologies and other demands. But it looks like Turkey has hammered this big and fat one. As Ostap Bender said: `` A donut hole. ''
  2. sever.56
    sever.56 28 June 2016 13: 54
    +15
    This "camomile" is the whole "consistency" of Turkey's policy.
    In short: - "She died, so she died" ...
    And we do not need to look with some hope at the prospect of resuming normal, especially friendly relations. It will be more expensive for itself.
    Yesterday I read a commentary by a Turkologist who knows the Turkish language well, he said that the words "SORRY, FORGIVE, FORGIVE FORGIVENESS" in Erdogan's letter to Putin WAS NOT ...
    Only the words that they regret what happened. And this suggests that all their words are nothing more than a cunning move trying to mislead the country's leadership. I am sure that there are people around Putin who can explain to him all the subtleties of Erdogan's cunning policy. After all, in which case. he will be able to state, - "What are you, are afraid, where did you read in my message the words -" sorry "," sorry "... There was no such thing" ... !!!
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 28 June 2016 14: 07
      0
      Yes, compensation, no matter how generous it is, will not change anything. I am sure that the harsh sentence for Turkey has already been approved by the Kremlin. Nobody in Europe will feel sorry for her, rather, quite the contrary.
    2. reservist
      reservist 28 June 2016 14: 48
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      all their words are nothing more than a tricky move

      it seems like ...
  3. EvgNik
    EvgNik 28 June 2016 13: 55
    +4
    Well, what to talk about with them after that? Crocodile tears.
    1. Primipilus
      Primipilus 28 June 2016 14: 00
      +2
      In a word, Turks. Do not understand the head will understand the ass.
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    1. Dmitry_24rus
      Dmitry_24rus 28 June 2016 13: 57
      +2
      The usual practice of the Ottoman bazouzi bashi. Fuck them, not tomatoes ..!
  5. Oml
    Oml 28 June 2016 13: 55
    +2
    I hope they simply will not be forgiven.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 28 June 2016 14: 00
      +4
      Quote: OML
      I hope they simply will not be forgiven.

      It just didn't work out - a helicopter, 4 self-propelled guns and a tank are already in the assets of the "Kurdish comrades".
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 29 June 2016 09: 47
        +2
        Quote: lelikas
        It just didn't work out - a helicopter, 4 self-propelled guns and a tank are already in the assets of the "Kurdish comrades".

        Kurdish, but not ours! No need to experience illusions, the Kurds are fighting for themselves, and not for the downed Su-24! And the fact that our weapons are supplied to them can only be hypothetically assumed. There is no evidence for this!
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 29 June 2016 13: 10
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          There is no evidence for this!

          Well, yes - well, yes - of course not, I will say even more - there will never be any.
          The Kurds went on a mountain trail, and then, Allah sent them boxes with anti-tank systems and MANPADS. Kurds rejoiced and went on to fight on.
  6. avt
    avt 28 June 2016 13: 57
    0
    Come on . It’s not evening yet, there’s more to be discussed.
  7. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 28 June 2016 13: 59
    +1
    What should be expected.
  8. Crucian
    Crucian 28 June 2016 13: 59
    +1
    There are no words already ... Is it necessary then to talk to them at all ?! Let them sit on the deserted beaches of Antalya, devour tomatoes and cry about the unfulfilled Blue Stream ...
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 28 June 2016 18: 02
      +1
      Quote: Karas
      and cry about the unfulfilled Blue Stream ...

      Why is it unfulfilled, he - "Blue Stream!" It is quite functioning for itself, supplying gas from the Russian Federation to Turkey, regardless of what, maybe you meant the "Turkish Stream"?
  9. PDM80
    PDM80 28 June 2016 14: 00
    +1
    Che they smoke or drink there ?! Americans go and roared!
  10. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 28 June 2016 14: 01
    +2
    one thought, according to "panikovsky": "miserable, insignificant people ..."
  11. A-Sim
    A-Sim 28 June 2016 14: 01
    +4
    "... so far there has been no official statement by the Turkish president himself regarding the letter to the Kremlin !!!"

    And what kind of euphoria is being pumped into the media ...

    Who heard from him about an apology ????? Just someone needed this hype. And that’s all.
  12. Alekseits
    Alekseits 28 June 2016 14: 02
    +2
    Two-faced Turkish A.S. laughing
  13. HAM
    HAM 28 June 2016 14: 03
    +2
    The man gave his word, the man took the floor back! This is what MEN are "nice" to deal with, just look around in time! wassatEven in this serious matter they are trying to get out and slyice ... stubborn rams.
  14. Pitot
    Pitot 28 June 2016 14: 04
    +2
    Yes, tricks. Drive them to the historical - how is it - Anatolian Plateau? Well, let the damps out there ....
  15. V.ic
    V.ic 28 June 2016 14: 04
    +2
    The Turks not only ignition later, but it turns out without a checkpoint can be taken back, throwing the BB wires in places on the 3rd and 4th cylinders! Classic. Such is their wiring ...
  16. Primipilus
    Primipilus 28 June 2016 14: 13
    +1
    For this it is necessary to beat the face.
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 June 2016 14: 13
    +2
    It’s not worth it to flog the fever in the comments, but wait a while. You’ll have to pay, they won’t go anywhere. Another question is that they don’t want to advertise it. They will fulfill all the conditions, because they have no choice.
    1. Mengad
      Mengad 28 June 2016 14: 45
      +1
      You correctly noticed, They will fulfill all the conditions because they have no choice,, And if there were a choice, they would send us. Here and all their hypocritical politics.
  18. Mengad
    Mengad 28 June 2016 14: 15
    0
    History does not teach Russia what the Osman-Turks are like. A normal country would admit, apologize, compensate for the damage, and draw a conclusion from what had happened, so that this would not happen again if they want to see Russia as a friendly companion.I have not heard in the media that Mr. Erdogan would apologize for what happened.But the headlines of the media dazzled when they shot down the su-24.
  19. Foresterer
    Foresterer 28 June 2016 14: 16
    0
    One should not even expect a sincere apology from the huckster-huckster. In nature, there are no sincere Erdogans and Yildirim.
  20. parusnik
    parusnik 28 June 2016 14: 16
    +1
    what prevents tomorrow already Erdogan from announcing that he did not apologize, all the more so since there has still not been any official statement by the Turkish president about the letter to the Kremlin.
    - Shoot you right away? Or better torment?
    - I’ll suffer better ..

    Here, let the Turks suffer ... The further, the worse for them ... And then they whispered in my ear .. excuse me ... and decided that everything ..
  21. Million
    Million 28 June 2016 14: 17
    +3
    Yildirim.What can this word mean?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 28 June 2016 14: 37
      +6
      Quote: Million
      Yildirim.What can this word mean?

      I don’t understand how his moderators missed it. recourse
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  23. Evil 55
    Evil 55 28 June 2016 14: 20
    +1
    "Koldirim" - well, and a name .. Isn't Petit Piglet this drunk brother, twin brothers .. Judging by the ambiguity of statements and position, this person is still the Koldirim, although he is a Muslim ..
  24. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 28 June 2016 14: 22
    +1
    how can you believe a rat that has already attacked in the back ?! let them sit on their empty resorts!
  25. GEV67
    GEV67 28 June 2016 14: 22
    0
    Yildirim-pido-not ours are shorter. And behave accordingly.
  26. Baloo
    Baloo 28 June 2016 14: 23
    +2
    Will bargain? Money for an airplane on a barrel, monetary allowance to the family until the children reach the age of majority, then an apology can be accepted, and is it an apology, not a badly covered rudeness? angry
    And stump us Turkish GMO hydroponic tomatoes, when we have excellent Astrakhan and Volgograd soil natural tomatoes?
    And finally, the Janissaries are unreliable partners. Now build a pipe, then do not build.
    Need to think. lol
  27. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 28 June 2016 14: 26
    0
    I didn’t notice this before. Now there are more cases when after a loud news a refutation comes.
  28. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 28 June 2016 14: 27
    0
    In my opinion, Erdogad wanted Russia to pay him for the fact that the Turks shot down a Russian plane?
  29. Leto
    Leto 28 June 2016 14: 28
    +4
    Propaganda, as always, gives wishful thinking.
    Erdogan did not apologize to Russia or Putin, he brought condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot and said that he regrets what happened. I quote:
    Hayatını kaybeden Rus pilotun ailesine bir kez daha acılarını paylaştığımı belirtmek ve taziyelerimi sunmak istiyorum; kusura bakmasınlar diyorum

    He did not apologize for the plane, did not apologize for the blow inflicted on the reputation of the Russian Federation, he expressed condolences to the relatives of the deceased pilot.
    Binali Yıldırım on television said only the phrase:
    Gerekirse tazminat vereceğimizi, ilişkilerin normale dönmesini arzu ettiğimizi ifade ediyoruz

    Which means "If necessary, we will compensate, we express your desire to normalize relations." What kind of compensation and who was not told, but judging by the nature of the letter, it was about compensation again to the relatives of the deceased pilot.
  30. Mengad
    Mengad 28 June 2016 14: 28
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    what prevents tomorrow already Erdogan from announcing that he did not apologize, all the more so since there has still not been any official statement by the Turkish president about the letter to the Kremlin.
    - Shoot you right away? Or better torment?
    - I’ll suffer better ..

    Here, let the Turks suffer ... The further, the worse for them ... And then they whispered in my ear .. excuse me ... and decided that everything ..

    They won’t be tormented! They made a tricky move! They launched an incomprehensible duck that we and Russia normalize (and it’s always emphasized that it’s normalized and not apologized) the relationship, we’ve looked at the reaction and are beginning to bust! And Russia has swallowed this bait! How now to back up when the information went around the world that like Russia-Turkey extended their hands to each other to try on? Now they bustle and knock themselves out of the conference.
  31. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 June 2016 14: 30
    +1
    Of course, not discussed. laughing A Turk would not be a Turk if he had not begun to bargain. Well, nothing, we waited a long time, we won’t have patience. We will wait a bit. Only the percentile: cap, cap ... Moral percent, it is expensive!
  32. Mechanocleap
    Mechanocleap 28 June 2016 14: 35
    0
    Yes, he has a surname even saying Yildirim ... like a drummer what thread wassat
  33. yuriy55
    yuriy55 28 June 2016 14: 36
    +5
    What are you guessing there? On Wednesday, two presidents promised telephone calls. How and what will be is not for us to decide. No.
    Here, for some reason, I thought, but if Hitler would have apologized to Stalin on April 25, 1945 what So they say, and so, I'm sorry Joseph Vissarionovich, the error came out belay
  34. Cobra77
    Cobra77 28 June 2016 14: 37
    +1
    Well, as I said in the news about Turkey's alleged apology, that this is never an apology, it is just probing the ground, political games. They apologize publicly, compensation is paid, not an incomprehensible scribble. There was not a word of apology in the letter, there were only words about regret for the situation. Why all the media trumpeted the apology, I cannot understand. Some kind of "hohlyatsky peremogi" honestly ....
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 28 June 2016 15: 07
      +1
      And in the news yesterday they said that he almost called himself a fool in the text of the apology. Well, and how then to believe our life, news, etc.? They began to resemble hohlosmi for a long time!
  35. den848
    den848 28 June 2016 14: 37
    0
    let the Turks lick further pi n dos am anus, do not be friends with them
  36. Enoch
    Enoch 28 June 2016 14: 40
    +1
    It is easier to believe in the arrival of the Martians than in the veracity of the Janissaries.
  37. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 28 June 2016 14: 47
    +10
    I didn’t understand one thing - why did our whole country so much in paroxysms after yesterday's "apologies"? - "Ah, but did he apologize from a pure heart? Ah, but should we forgive him? Ah, and what compensation will be?" There won't be any. And there was no apology, you all heard it. Erdogan said - "so that you all were empty," Peskov translated - "I'm so sorry, well, I'm so sorry!" If our authorities are asleep and see how to restore relations with Turkey, this should be said in Russian, and not start this muppet show with an apology. And for me, the best thing to do is, as our friend put it a little higher - she died, she died. And now there is no such country and there is nothing to talk with it about, that's all.
    1. cap
      cap 28 June 2016 17: 01
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      And for me, it’s best to do as our friend stated a little higher — she died, she died. And now there is no such country and there’s nothing to talk to it about, basta.


      ++ good
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 28 June 2016 19: 49
      0
      As I suggested today at 14.47, just at 19.45 information appeared in the media that, according to data from Erdogan’s entourage, he didn’t even apologize at all, but simply expressed his regrets about the incident, which is by no means an apology. Q.E.D.
  38. genisis
    genisis 28 June 2016 14: 51
    +1
    As the Turkish proverb says: "The hand that you cannot cut off, kiss and bring it to your forehead."
  39. NordUral
    NordUral 28 June 2016 14: 52
    +1
    Competent diplomacy is the art of pausing, not fussing.
    Payment of compensation (for a downed plane) is not discussed in Russia. We just expressed our regret RF.

    So - not apologies, but regrets.
  40. Severok
    Severok 28 June 2016 14: 56
    +1
    "The East is a delicate matter ..." Comrade Sukhov
    Sometimes a strong stick in the east means more than the flattering honey of diplomacy.
  41. Arkan
    Arkan 28 June 2016 14: 59
    +1
    All empty Turkish track, this is their behavior. As soon as we at least somehow reacted to the letter of the Sultan, they immediately began to swing their rights. It is necessary to besiege them, in long, long negotiations, so far about nothing.
  42. afrikanez
    afrikanez 28 June 2016 15: 01
    +1
    We won’t see anything good from an apology. So. that it’s just a farce and nothing more. The tourism industry is disappearing, so he got alarmed. He thinks it will freeze, freeze the matter, but it seems that it was not there. negative
  43. Taygerus
    Taygerus 28 June 2016 15: 17
    +2
    as expected from these ghouls
  44. miru mir
    miru mir 28 June 2016 15: 22
    0
    Inaccuracies in translation are possible.
  45. Roman 11
    Roman 11 28 June 2016 15: 23
    +2
    For most, it is obvious that this flirtation with Russia is not from a good life. They exported a lot of goods to Britain, now after leaving the union they will probably not be up to Turkish clothes and oranges. But the Turks somehow need to earn money and big money for the war. Otherwise, the Kurds will break off a piece from Turkey ......
  46. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 28 June 2016 15: 28
    0
    Quote: wasjasibirjac
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    An apology is an action package that includes:
    1. An oral (intelligible) public apology to the head of state of the Russian Federation, which contains such and such .....
    2. Compensation for the downed Su-24, just because of an apology, means admitting a mistake. Therefore, the recognition of the fact that the plane was shot down unreasonably.
    3. Compensation, monetary, to the family of the deceased pilot.
    the punishment of the sacrament was missed. and retribution for a crime is a necessary thing, for prevention in the future.

    Forgot the family of the marine Pazynych No. . And also I would add here compensation to the families of another 9 servicemen of the Russian Federation. To not say, but Turkey is indirectly or directly to blame for their death recourse .
  47. ava09
    ava09 28 June 2016 15: 30
    0
    Quote: Arkan
    All empty Turkish track, this is their behavior. As soon as we at least somehow reacted to the letter of the Sultan, they immediately began to swing their rights. It is necessary to besiege them, in long, long negotiations, so far about nothing.

    While you discuss their "manners", Meaning makes history ...
  48. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 28 June 2016 15: 36
    +3
    Yes, what an apology, what money, what nonsense! Guys do not return! Then continue to strangle economically! am
  49. Chistorusogagauz
    Chistorusogagauz 28 June 2016 15: 38
    +2
    The Turks themselves are very stupid and treacherous, but consider themselves smart and brave, although everyone around knows their real nature.
  50. valent45
    valent45 28 June 2016 16: 15
    0
    Do not believe these Basurmans in Ankara! It’s just probing our intentions
    Middle Eastern situation. Erdosha will continue to wag and seek for himself some benefits.