Shadows over Tomahawks

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Means of struggle with cruise missiles can be placed on combat platforms, fixed above the ground in aerostats.

The most likely threat to Russia from NATO, and in fact the United States, according to most military analysts, is a quick global strike (BSU) on strategic nuclear forces (SNF) and objects of the defense and industrial infrastructure of Russia with high precision weapons (WTO) with non-nuclear combat units.

Eliminating the first factor, we return to the times of the “strategy of mutual destruction”. It would seem that everything is simple: it suffices to detect the massive use of cruise missiles at a distance from which the flying time to the target is greater than that required for preparing and delivering a thermonuclear counter strike. In this situation, the BSU loses its meaning, since most of the strategic missiles will already be launched against the aggressor and he must immediately respond with the same. The consequences of such an exchange of blows are thoroughly studied and declared unacceptable to both parties. Creating a continuous radar field around the perimeter of Russia, especially along our northern borders, will provide a guaranteed determination of the moment of attack.

But timely fixing BSU is half the battle. Some of the missiles will certainly be aimed at stationary military and civilian objects, so the second most important task is the destruction of the Kyrgyz Republic in flight.

Create a continuous zone of destruction along the perimeter of Russia with classic air defense systems (aviation and SAM) in the near future is hardly realistic. There were ideas to use the upgraded MiG-31 for this, but there are a number of fundamental objections: the lack of sufficient quantities and the necessary infrastructure (airfields, fuel depots, ammunition, etc.), as well as the time spent on the reaction of the aircraft, which is especially important when the score goes for minutes. The chain of constant readiness air defense positions is not feasible for similar reasons, to which the specific conditions of the Arctic are added. It should also be taken into account that the BSU involves a massive attack (more than a thousand today, and then even more), it is unlikely to be able to repel it with the help of anti-aircraft missiles and aircraft. A different solution is proposed.

The combat module, equipped with a powerful radar that provides early detection of in-flight missiles, with electronic warfare equipment, which creates an effective field of interference to missile control and guidance devices, is suspended by a balloon at a height optimal for effective use of the weapon placed on it. One of the most promising means of combat is the so-called electronic bombs, which can exist in the form of warheads, rockets, shells or stationary ammunition, creating a powerful one-time electromagnetic pulse, which affects the electronic filling of the CD. The greatest effect will be caused by the failure of the on-board computer controlling the inertial and electron-optical correlation systems. Such platforms (if mass and size parameters do not allow, then several modules carrying individual elements of the complex) can also reliably hit not only control and guidance bodies of the CU, which fall into their area of ​​operation, but also CG themselves. Especially effectively can be their use on the span, since the top subsonic "Tomahawks" represent a contrast target against the background of the earth. The number of modules should provide a continuous zone of destruction by means of EW.

Shadows over TomahawksWhat are the advantages of placing these means of fighting the Kyrgyz Republic on combat platforms raised and fixed above the ground in aerostats? The first is constant readiness. The second is the cost. Placing on the ground the equipment for launching an aerostat with a combat module and several structures supporting it (for personnel, warehousing, energy supply) are much cheaper than organizing fixed positions. Third, the optimal height of the location will increase the detection radius. The fourth is mobility. Move the complex is not difficult. The fifth is much less stringent requirements for the choice of installation site, which is especially important in the conditions of the North. Taking into account the significantly lower costs for the deployment of air combat platforms and the possibilities for their improvement, we conclude that they can become one of the promising areas for the development of air defense systems.

The idea of ​​connecting the balloon with early warning radar is not new. One of the latest developments in this direction is the JLUNS (Unified Cruise Missile Aids Detection System) complex from Raytheon. The maximum detection range of air targets is up to 550 kilometers. Perhaps the addition to the specified complex of aerostat with radar, providing illumination and targeting of anti-aircraft missiles. Adding EW facilities to such a system will create a solid field of detection and a high probability of destroying air targets. Of course, there are objective difficulties - climatic conditions (temperature, winds), lack of roads and much more, which, of course, will make it difficult to implement the development. There is another danger - the appearance of hypersonic cruise missiles, the use of which will dramatically shorten the reaction time required for a forward retaliatory strike. But the countermeasure weapon also develops and sometimes outpaces the means of attack. The main thing is to choose the right direction of their development, start developing and delivering to the troops in time.
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  1. -3
    3 July 2016 06: 57
    Aerostat radar? In the north?? In winter ??? Author drink a sedative.
    1. +17
      3 July 2016 07: 14
      Aerostat radar? In the north?? In winter ??? Author drink a sedative.

      Do you think the radar will freeze blood ... But how do the radars work in space below -200С? ... or do you think they like radio waves warmly. fellow laughing
      1. +13
        3 July 2016 10: 50
        Quote: Sura
        You think the radar will freeze blood ...


        The corporal meant V.T.ch. and the fact that in the North (in the sense of the Arctic) there are such winds in winter (and not only in winter) that "blows off the pot" ... And the balloon is a capricious thing - passion does not like winds (especially stormy ones)! So it turns out that during storms they will have to be hidden in hangars, and a "hole" is formed in the defense system, which the enemy can use.
        In general, the idea is good, but it’s not always and everywhere applicable!
        1. +2
          3 July 2016 14: 05
          The corporal meant V.T.ch. and the fact that in the North (in the sense of the Arctic) there are such winds in winter (and not only in winter) that "blows off the pot" ... And the balloon is a capricious thing - passion does not like winds (especially stormy ones)! So it turns out that during storms they will have to be hidden in hangars, and a "hole" is formed in the defense system, which the enemy can use.
          In general, the idea is good, but it’s not always and everywhere applicable!

          Well, not on a string they will be launched, it all depends on the cable system and the height of the balloon position (the winds are different at different heights). Balloons have been used all over the world for more than a hundred years, and what’s really, really, they don’t understand anything? , cheaply and that’s it.
          1. 0
            4 July 2016 18: 17
            Quote: Sura
            Well, not on a string they will be launched, it all depends on the cable system and the height of the balloon position (the winds are different at different heights).


            Lord, what stubbornness! Yes! Not on a string, on ropes! And for a second, imagine how the balloon will "wobble" at an altitude of 200-300 meters, when on the ground on the ground, adults, strong people are knocked down by gusts of wind! It's not a joke! Imagine that this radar, fixed on a balloon WILL SHOW ???

            Quote: Sura
            Nonsense, vast experience has been gained, only in the states they use a large number, it is for all kinds of observations, both among civilians and the military, cheaply and that’s it.


            Yep, USED! But only in GOOD weather and where there are stormy winds - RARE !!! It would be different - it would be EVERYWHERE to abandon bulky ground-based radars and use "simple and cheap" balloons with suspended antennas! But for some reason this does not happen ...
            1. 0
              4 July 2016 21: 56
              Below Rus2012 detailed answer.
              When I visited my brother in the Leningrad Region several years ago, when I was in St. Petersburg, we checked our bags several times. To ensure the balloon was hanging, two weeks later it went back and everything was hanging, although there was bad weather, a storm from the bay. I don’t know whose production the balloon was.
        2. +1
          3 July 2016 21: 37
          Yeah, but at an altitude of 40 km, where it’s not particularly difficult to fly to a balloon, there are no winds or frosts - quiet, but the resort surface ... fellow
          1. 0
            5 July 2016 20: 43
            At 40 km, balloons do not fly. At least ordinary.
      2. 0
        3 July 2016 16: 45
        The radar’s blood will not freeze, but, now, the ball will deflate. Or it will crush him to the ground with the wind.
        1. 0
          3 July 2016 17: 03
          [i] [i] The radar’s blood will not freeze, but, now, the ball will deflate. Or he will crush him to the ground with the wind. [/ I] [i] [/ i]

          You wouldn’t put your ignorance on display, another one who has not seen a physics textbook, it’s ridiculous ... laughing
  2. -6
    3 July 2016 07: 23
    Large targets for EMO, the idea is no good, it seems to me that it is necessary to improve and increase the power of nuclear weapons in order to make the damage inflicted unacceptable even by one ammunition in the zone of geological faults and supervolcanoes, the development of BZHRK and ground RK, to develop the topic of underwater mega-ammunition))))) )). And it is imperative to be friends with China not just, but against a probable "partner".
    1. +1
      3 July 2016 18: 32
      Quote: Timur72
      the idea is no good

      Oh?
      In the concept of a global strike, the main thing is to proactively destroy as many goals as possible that can start - goals with strategic nuclear forces.
      To respond to the strategic nuclear forces, you must first detect the launches. Ballistic missiles are one thing - we have learned to see them beyond the horizon, well, that's why the "partners" apparently staked on cruise missiles. When bending around the terrain, it is more difficult to notice them, a balloon hanging almost free of charge at the required height will close the issue of detection, and if necessary, suppression by electronic warfare.
      Why are they in our territory will be targeted, explain ?? What other than cruise missiles will fly close and attack ???
  3. +3
    3 July 2016 08: 01
    Just the case when the new is completely forgotten old.
    1. +5
      3 July 2016 09: 32
      Quote: V.ic
      Just the case when the new is completely forgotten old.


      Quote: Author Boris Lozneva
      It is hardly realistic to create a continuous zone of destruction around the perimeter of Russia with classical air defense systems (aviation and air defense) in the near future. There were ideas to use modernized MiG-31 for this, but there are a number of fundamental objections: the lack of a sufficient number of them and the necessary infrastructure (airfields, fuel depots, ammunition, etc.), as well as the time spent on the aviation response, which is especially important when the count goes on for minutes. The chain of constant-readiness air defense positions is not realizable for similar reasons, to which the specific conditions of the Arctic are added. It should also be noted that the BSU involves a massive attack (more than a thousand today, and then even more), guaranteed to repel it with the help of anti-aircraft missiles and aircraft is unlikely. A different solution is proposed.


      /// there is another solution -
      Proposals for the appearance and organization of countering cruise missiles with the help of unmanned fighters

      The analysis shows that it is advisable to build a system to combat cruise missiles based on the use of relatively mobile units armed with guided missiles with thermal seeker which should be focused in a timely manner on the threatened direction. As part of such units should not be stationary or low-mobile ground radar, which immediately become the targets of enemy strikes using anti-radar missiles.

      Ground-based air defense systems with ground-to-air missiles with thermal seekers are characterized by a small course parameter, which is a few kilometers. Dozens of complexes will be required to reliably cover the boundary with a length of 500 km.

      A significant part of the forces and means of ground defense in the event of the passage of enemy cruise missiles on one or two routes will be "out of work." There will be problems with the placement of positions, the organization of timely warning and target distribution, the possibility of "saturating" the fire capabilities of air defense weapons in a limited area. In addition, the mobility of such a system is quite difficult to provide.

      An alternative could be the use of relatively small-sized unmanned interceptor fighters armed with short-range guided missiles with thermal seekers.

      Completely -
      https://topwar.ru/31118-aktualnaya-tema-krylatye-rakety-i-kak-s-nimi-borotsya.ht

      ml

      For all that, airships and balloons can also be used in the reducible version. Including as an early detection and automatic guidance. Especially in those places where stationary bases of the passive / active location have not yet been built, or for maneuvering means.
      1. +1
        3 July 2016 21: 04
        I developed this tactic along with my PVC UAVs 20 years ago - yes, it is the most optimal. And its main link: an inexpensive UAV with a unique low-resource two-stroke engine. You can offer, like mice, to hang a bell on a cat’s neck, but until there is one who can accomplish this - the idea does not make sense. So here - we need to start with the design of the UAV, and its use will not take long. While we buy Israeli and plan 9 for 2030 year - there will be no sense from any pictures.
        Similarly with underwater gliders and robotic sailing catamarans - we will also wait 20 years to realize their LIFE NEEDS ?!
  4. +3
    3 July 2016 08: 26
    How to power the radar? From the earth? or hang a diesel generator with a barrel of diesel? Calculate the costs ...
    1. 0
      3 July 2016 21: 44
      Well, for example, even solar panels can be mounted on the balloon itself. Clouds are often much lower than the height of the balloon. Horizontal movements are often achieved by changing the flight altitude (at different heights of the wind they can easily blow in different directions) ... belay There are also a lot of subtleties that it is better not to express at the level of a "couch theoretician" so as not to present yourself as a dense idiot ... negative
      1. 0
        4 July 2016 20: 06
        Well, yes, tell us, dense, about the development of flexible solar cells with a square meter ...
        At the same time, correlate with the warping of the radar with a range of 300-500 km ...
        Yes, at the same time, think about what should be the area of ​​these same batteries in light of the above.

        Yes, and more.
        How will you provide night mode? Batteries? What will you provide frost resistance?
        And until the end, the area of ​​solar batteries multiply once again three times more consumption, so that the stock has time to accumulate ...
        I can give you a dozen more ideas for TK, but you already decide what you’ve written first.
        So you made yourself a fool
        D, B!
        1. 0
          31 October 2016 19: 33
          So what do you dislike about food from the land? The aerostat will completely tighten over three mounting cables and a pair of power cables. And still the payload on the radar and weapons will remain. I’ll tell you more, at the top it’s enough just to have a transmit-receive path and a headlamp panel, and do signal processing on the ground. Although, now the processors are not so heavy and overall. Again, it is entirely possible to get along with only a passive location, such as Vega or Chain Mail. Together with a tracking device for their own location, this may not exclude, but very significantly reduce location errors. And even if there are at least three storms at a height, the location will determine the coordinates of the signal reflected from the target, taking into account the own place of the airship. Forget the P-15 antenna systems, now is not the time. And GLONASS was created just for such applications. And yet - excuse me, but on tanks, target tracking machines do their job perfectly, including in the process of moving through gully. Why can not a similar system cope at height? And about the fact that the ball will deflate in the cold - do not tell my sandals.
          1. 0
            31 October 2016 21: 41
            Quote: Vlad.by
            So what do you dislike about food from the land? The aerostat will completely tighten over three mounting cables and a pair of power cables. And still the payload on the radar and weapons will remain. I’ll tell you more, at the top it’s enough just to have a transmit-receive path and a headlamp panel, and do signal processing on the ground. Although, now the processors are not so heavy and overall. Again, it is entirely possible to get along with only a passive location, such as Vega or Chain Mail. Together with a tracking device for their own location, this may not exclude, but very significantly reduce location errors. And even if there are at least three storms at a height, the location will determine the coordinates of the signal reflected from the target, taking into account the own place of the airship. Forget the P-15 antenna systems, now is not the time. And GLONASS was created just for such applications. And yet - excuse me, but on tanks, target tracking machines do their job perfectly, including in the process of moving through gully. Why can not a similar system cope at height? And about the fact that the ball will deflate in the cold - do not tell my sandals.


            You power Normal, correct radar at 300 km look ...
            Type Aegis.
            A megawatt on a pulse is not interesting?
            Imagine a power plant in the far north, yes automatic?
            What would be 9 months in polar night?
            Do you know normal megawatt batteries?
            And that would not freeze and lose discharge at sub-zero temperatures?
            And the number of these batteries?

            And how will you ensure the accuracy of Glonass determining the rotation of the balloon around its axis with a jerk angle of 45-120 degrees and a deviation from the axis of 3-7 meters ... with an amplitude of 2-4 oscillations in 5 seconds?
            And what will be the final coordinates of the target?

            How does glonass help you here ... ???

            Well, think with your head.
            It’s just that you need to have knowledge - and if there is no understanding - do not panic there. what is zero ...
            1. +1
              1 November 2016 09: 19
              Well, I'll tell you about a dozen power plants, from diesel engines to small-sized nuclear plants. This time. Second - why do I need a megawatt in impulse at a high-altitude station? The station is not one, but a chain, and viewing space is not included in their task. In addition, with passive location, and I spoke in particular about this - in general, the pulse power is not interesting, the sensitivity of the receiver is more important there. As for glonass - do you know all its characteristics for military applications for sure? Besides, nobody canceled inertial systems. With regular calibration in between "jerks" will perfectly track the position of the location axis.
              No need to blow your cheeks - everyone would be as "smart" as you, and people would still be sitting in huts and chasing mammoths with sticks.
              1. 0
                1 November 2016 14: 58
                Quote: Vlad.by
                Well, I'll tell you about a dozen power plants, from diesel engines to small-sized nuclear plants. This time. Second - why do I need a megawatt in impulse at a high-altitude station? The station is not one, but a chain, and viewing space is not included in their task. In addition, with passive location, and I spoke in particular about this - in general, the pulse power is not interesting, the sensitivity of the receiver is more important there. As for glonass - do you know all its characteristics for military applications for sure? Besides, nobody canceled inertial systems. With regular calibration in between "jerks" will perfectly track the position of the location axis.
                No need to blow your cheeks - everyone would be as "smart" as you, and people would still be sitting in huts and chasing mammoths with sticks.


                Before you push your thoughts, re-read first where you fit first.
                What was the course of reasoning.
                How did the eccentric begin to carry nonsense about solar panels (and this is in the conditions of the polar night in 6-7 months of the year)
                We will not just consider the costs, or let in as much as it costs to illuminate Moscow?


                Well call ...
                What are the real, fast-made power plants.
                To take and bring to the tundra, to give up and so that everything would work automatically in the next six months -
                Do you just imagine the size of the Arctic?
                If you do not install powerful radars, then how many "weak" ones will you have to install to cover? Hundreds?
                Do you know the economy at all?

                What is the inertial system for a balloon that will rotate at a height of 300-500 meters?
                What is the calibration between jerks?
                You will trust the wind load for 8 months?
                Have you ever seen wind without stops for a month?
                Have you ever written a Terms of Reference in your life?
                Well, try to describe all the technological processes that may arise ...
                If you have never worked with a systematic approach, then at least ask a question.
                1. +1
                  2 November 2016 09: 34
                  You see, colleague, I have been managing my own enterprise for more than 20 years, so believe me, I am familiar with the economy. As for the number of location points, I don't need 300 km to illuminate the radar situation in the light of detection and target distribution of the CR. This range will be enough to combat CD flying at subsonic speed, and by raising the antenna to a height, an overview will be provided at low and extremely low altitudes at long ranges. And with much lower pulse powers. Which, by the way, "powerful 3 megawatt radars" cannot provide in principle.
                  Yes, the sky is good, but in relation to the Kyrgyz Republic they will need many times more than balloon radars, I am surprised that they wrote technical tasks, but you can’t calculate elementary things. The size of the Arctic is the same for powerful SRS and for balloons. And the winds ... and what do you know about the map of the Arctic winds at heights of 3-4 km? Straight, furious turbulence, corn blows? Do not bother with such technical details, believe me, they are solvable.
                  As for energy supply, ion sources have been working in space for years to provide surveillance radars and communications. No? So the problem has already been technically solved. To bring it to the practical plane - only write a statement of work, and give money.
                  It is necessary to THINK SYSTEMALLY, and you horned against the wind and completely deny the very possibility of creating a detection network. The Americans created their own hydrophone system and it has been working for decades. And in our country, people like you justified the complexity and high cost of such a solution, and so what? LA and Virginia graze in our waters like an alpine pasture. Time lost, a lot of state secrets lost. And systems of the same order, underwater, will be even more complicated. It is NECESSARY to think carefully.
  5. -4
    3 July 2016 08: 57
    Quote: Timur72
    And it is imperative to be friends with China not just, but against a probable "partner".


    And he (China) is like an Erdogan knife (rocket) in the back!
    1. +2
      3 July 2016 21: 48
      Well, yes, indeed, hundreds of thousands of our soldiers died in wars with Chinese adversaries! Type: everyone knows this! belay But the Germans are friends for us - do not spill water! Che tama 26 million dead ... And the heels of the Russian-Turkish wars - why count them there! .. fool
      You, sir, if you yourself do not want to think, at least take a look at historical precedents or something ... stop No. fool
  6. 0
    3 July 2016 09: 26
    We must try all the options, maybe it will work out.
  7. +2
    3 July 2016 09: 28
    EW tools with such power that can suppress satellite guidance, reality? If not, then destroy the GPS satellites. Of course, the options are not the best, but still the options. Of course, there are homing missiles, but as for cruise missiles, they cannot go around the surface of the earth without satellite correction. Or am I wrong?
    1. +4
      3 July 2016 18: 40
      Quote: AlexFU
      If not, then destroy the GPS satellites.

      in the cruise missiles of the partners, maps of the terrain were originally laid down and they were trained to bend around the surface by beam reflection. ZhPS also only increases accuracy, in general, I'm not sure that the destruction of the constellation (!) Of satellites will remove the danger.
      Ours, by the way, when solving similar issues, could snap to the stars, (we read Chertok), the Americans tried, but they didn’t succeed (we watch the video from the Yankees in YouTube).
      1. 0
        2 November 2016 20: 19
        Yes, let them bend around. Once the altimeter is on, then for passive location stations they glow like a New Year tree. The problem must be solved in a complex - they found a rocket - they crushed the railroad stations, and it is better to send them to the swing. Let them fly, produce fuel. That which for some reason could not be deployed - shoot down. Intelligence is primary here. It must be provided by all means, and with multiple overlap. And ground stations (passive and active) and AWACS and ... a chain of balloons. Why not. They will not be the most expensive. Yes, and "national economic" satellites, which for "geodesy, cartography and the search for natural resources" in orbit eat up the people's money, will also be connected. And what and how to bring down - we will find it.
    2. +2
      3 July 2016 20: 36
      Quote: AlexFU
      EW tools with such power that can suppress satellite guidance, reality? If not, then destroy the GPS satellites. Of course, the options are not the best, but still the options. Of course, there are homing missiles, but as for cruise missiles, they cannot go around the surface of the earth without satellite correction. Or am I wrong?

      There is such a magical thing as AWACS and fire spotters with laser and other target indicators Yes
  8. -4
    3 July 2016 09: 43
    I think this is from the field of inflatable aircraft. Scare amers))) !!!
  9. 0
    3 July 2016 10: 00
    Perhaps this idea makes sense. laughing
  10. +2
    3 July 2016 10: 20
    Quote: AlexFU
    EW tools with such power that can suppress satellite guidance, reality? If not, then destroy the GPS satellites. Of course, the options are not the best, but still the options. Of course, there are homing missiles, but as for cruise missiles, they cannot go around the surface of the earth without satellite correction. Or am I wrong?

    They can. A map of the area is loaded, with control points and heights. And on the way
    Missiles with GPS and GLONASS are for peacetime, bantustans are clumsy, cheap and cheerful. In the case of a decent war, something I doubt that these systems will work.
  11. +1
    3 July 2016 10: 28
    Quote: Sura
    Aerostat radar? In the north?? In winter ??? Author drink a sedative.

    Do you think the radar will freeze blood ... But how do the radars work in space below -200С? ... or do you think they like radio waves warmly. fellow laughing

    Blood will not freeze :) But such a design with an expensive set of equipment, moreover a secret one, will be at an arbitrary point in the Arctic Ocean after the first blizzard. You, as the author of the article, probably have not been to the coast of the Arctic Ocean, and you do not really imagine what a wind of 20-30 m / s is continuously blowing for a week. And there it is even cooler, I dare to assure you. In my memory, in Tiksi, stationary radars were demolished twice, and how many times planes were collected at the airdrome after a blizzard and not counted.
    1. +8
      3 July 2016 12: 17
      Quote: Yakut
      You, as the author of the article, probably have not been to the coast of the Arctic Ocean, and you don’t really imagine what the 20-30 m / s wind is continuously blowing for a week.


      What is and is being done for the North -
      The pride of the Avgur company is the AU-30 airship, which can carry out patrol, advertising, passenger and transport flights. The volume of the airship is 5200 cu. meters, length 54 meters, it is capable of flying at a distance 2100 km.
      ...

      Today AU-30 upgrade for polar flights. The airship is equipped with what is called, in the last word, it can fly on devices in conditions of zero visibility, in the northern latitudes.

      Well-known polar explorer Jean-Lou Etienne decided to purchase AU-30 for his research program. One of the AU-30 will take part in a polar expedition to the North Pole.

      In "Augur" they joke - the airship for the North will be "on the fur." In reality, this is a serial car, but the ballast tank will be used as a fuel tank, additional heaters will be installed in the cockpit, a more advanced navigation complex, and additional communications. And, of course, there will be additional research equipment - Russian and French. On board will accommodate two crew members and four researchers.


      Special project for the Arctic -
      stratospheric airship "Golden Eagle". This is a kind of alternative to geostationary Earth satellites. "Golden eagle" is located on the border between aviation and space technology. It is aimed at solving a wide range of tasks in the field of communications, surveillance, patrolling, and can also be used in the interests of the Ministry of Defense. At an altitude of 20 - 22 km, equipped with solar panels, the stratospheric airship with the help of electric motors can deal with wind flows and stabilize at certain points above the ground. Direct visibility from an altitude of 22 km - about 760 km.
      So for an overview of the entire European territory of Russia, two such devices are enough, Western Europe - two or three devices. The height was not chosen by chance: it is at 20 - 22 km that the wind speed is the lowest. However, the helium lift here is approximately 14 times less than in the surface atmosphere, therefore, the gas needs to be much larger, and the dimensions of the apparatus are impressive: length 204 meters, diameter 51 meters. The launch program from the airship of an artificial Earth satellite is being worked out. The stratospheric airship is also called the atmospheric satellite of the Earth. Its cost is from 30 to 50 million dollars, in the series - about 20 million. For comparison: the cost of a geostationary satellite (including launch costs) is more than 100 million dollars.

      The first Berkut samples will be equipped with unique turbo-charged diesel engines; gradually, solar batteries and high-capacity batteries will replace them. Unique propellers have been developed for Berkut - two-bladed propellers with a diameter of more than 7 meters, and in St. Petersburg valve motors are already being developed that are more capable of developing the required power. For such an airship, a movable pneumoframe hangar is designed, which unfolds in just a week. To release an airship, two halves of the hangar "fall apart" to the sides. So far, the problems are only with the fabric for the shell of domestic devices: the thread is produced in Japan, the material itself is in Canada and the USA, in Russia they are setting up the production of glue and are already gluing the shell.
      1. +1
        3 July 2016 21: 55
        Thanks for the interesting information. Purely intuitively, I understood that something of this kind should be. It's nice to know that I was not mistaken at all. hi
    2. 0
      2 November 2016 20: 32
      Colleague, at what height did it blow? And for 3-4 km, what are the winds and what is the turbulence of the atmosphere? But it is precisely at such an altitude in winter, mind you, 1941 more than 800 barrage balloons hung regularly over Moscow. And did not fly away anywhere. The task of holding the balloon in the zone, in principle, has long been solved. Yes, there will be a chatter, so forgive me, when flying, any plane in the atmosphere sausages. In any case, relative to the surface. And nothing. Algorithms for selecting and determining the true position based on data from gyroscopes, compasses, Glonass have long existed and show excellent results. On tanks, weapon stabilizers allow for automatic tracking of the target in motion and its firing, and there are jerks and fluctuations much more like a twist than from the wind. The fleet solved the problem of searching and shelling targets in motion up to 5-6 ball gales. Why then the headlamp with a gyro system does not give a clear view of the space on the balloon?
  12. -7
    3 July 2016 11: 42
    Quote: Sura
    [i] But how do radars operate in space below -200C?


    There is a vacuum in space, which means there is no ambient temperature.
    1. +6
      3 July 2016 16: 17
      There is a vacuum in space, which means there is no ambient temperature.

      Have you ever seen a physics textbook near? To get overwhelmed ... Striking ignorance ... laughing
  13. +2
    3 July 2016 12: 01
    Quote: AlexFU
    but as for cruise missiles, they cannot go around the surface of the earth without satellite correction. Or am I wrong?

    Not right, they can. Just with satellite correction accuracy is higher. And so it goes on electronic terrain maps
    1. 0
      2 November 2016 20: 34
      And how are they going along the ice fields of the Arctic? Just out of curiosity a question.
      1. 0
        7 November 2016 18: 54
        It became curious. Here, digging on the topic:
        "The speed and direction of the wind are variable quantities and change with changes in altitude, time and space. The maximum value of the wind speed reaches at an altitude of 9000-12000 meters in winter and at heights of 11000-12000 m in summer. In jet streams observed at different heights and in different regions of the earth's surface, the wind speed reaches hundreds of kilometers per hour. Over the territory of the Russian Federation, jet currents are observed most often in winter over the Barents Sea, Transcaucasia and the Far East. They can girdle the entire globe. The maximum wind speed in the jet current was recorded over the Japanese islands up to 800 km / h. "
        Well, for the sweet Direction and strength of the wind on Earth at different heights (100-26500 m) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2U0nAfXxjQ
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          15 November 2016 18: 13
          Three kilometers above the north - the very place for a radar on a balloon.
  14. +3
    3 July 2016 12: 20
    Quote: Krabik
    Quote: Sura
    [i] But how do radars operate in space below -200C?


    There is a vacuum in space, which means there is no ambient temperature.

    And in school you have a grade in physics :)
    1. +1
      3 July 2016 18: 45
      Quote: Yakut
      And in school you have a grade in physics :)

      the vacuum is wassat
  15. +2
    3 July 2016 12: 23
    KMK, it makes sense at a height of the stratosphere, from 20 km and higher (preferably 40 km, so as not to be shot down), and the main channel should be an infrared optic station (ROFAR) with a range of about 500 km.
  16. 0
    3 July 2016 13: 05
    It turns out only a powerful electromagnetic pulse to remove the electronics of the rocket or just knock down.
  17. 0
    3 July 2016 18: 18
    It is necessary to suppress the satellite constellation by them, and even better, to advance the amers moon and set the moon on something not so that the whole planet would sleep peacefully
  18. 0
    3 July 2016 22: 24
    How many millions of balloons do you need?
    1. 0
      3 July 2016 22: 31
      Quote: Kenneth
      How many millions of balloons do you need?

      ... read the forum or something ...
      already wrote above -
      stratospheric airship "Golden Eagle". This is a kind of alternative to geostationary Earth satellites. "Golden eagle" is located on the border between aviation and space technology. It is aimed at solving a wide range of tasks in the field of communications, surveillance, patrolling, and can also be used in the interests of the Ministry of Defense. At an altitude of 20 - 22 km, equipped with solar panels, the stratospheric airship with the help of electric motors can deal with wind flows and stabilize at certain points above the ground. Direct visibility from an altitude of 22 km - about 760 km.
      So two such devices are enough to review the entire European territory of Russia...
  19. 0
    4 July 2016 08: 13
    How great everything is. Only I'm afraid such a balloon will cost a dozen avax.
  20. 0
    4 July 2016 22: 42
    Israel actively uses for aerial reconnaissance (and sells armies
    USA) these are simple balloons
  21. +1
    7 July 2016 18: 09
    I think the idea proposed by the author of a solid radar and electronic warfare field around the entire perimeter of the Russian Federation and in the north in particular is too expensive. Smash forces all over the front. Still, reliable (read concentrated) object-based air defense is preferable in economic terms. It makes no sense to cover the polar ice, tundra and taiga. There is another idea: the use of spaced locators with a generalization of information about the air situation from all possible means of detection. Locators are on all civilian ships and aircraft, satellites are spinning in orbits, locators of other kinds and types of aircraft. Apparently for this purpose they gathered in the air force air defense, air defense and air defense systems. And in the general information field, airships, and automatic radars, and radio reconnaissance will come in handy ...
    1. 0
      15 November 2016 18: 20
      We are not talking about "spreading the forces along the front" - we are talking about the line of detection of the fact of an attack and preliminary target distribution.
  22. 0
    9 July 2016 20: 38
    The idea is good! In addition to regions with strong winds, we also have many calm regions. To equip and equip with our territory. And the border with Central Asia, with Transcaucasia. in mountainous areas, balloons will help a lot. And the target load can be very different, from an air defense radar to optics with a thermal imager.
  23. +1
    15 July 2016 11: 11
    friends, all opinions are interesting to me, it seems to me that criticism is useful. The main defense should generally be local protection of strategic objects so that there are no hunting and thoughts to attack and the defense of a multilateral echelon country as well as the interconnection of defensive systems is reliable simple and financially too expensive, but it is always expensive if qualitatively. Thank!
  24. 0
    15 July 2016 11: 26
    well, it’s badly said about inflatable planes why not make inflatable deceptive targets in addition, a powerful satellite umbrella, ships with missile defense, target missiles, electronic warfare, and finally strong special services, various deviation operations against the enemy in his den
  25. 0
    15 July 2016 11: 28
    and at the expense of fuel, yes it’s full of various stationary automatic batteries, etc., etc. solar wind batteries in the future, you can come up with something else
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  27. 0
    15 July 2016 12: 49
    defense must be effective easy to use
  28. 0
    15 October 2016 23: 33
    If you take the north, then the best missile defense is a sufficient number of hunter submarines in the proposed axes for launching axes. And one timely planted torpedo will replace a bunch of missiles and save nerves.

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