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The politicians of Germany, France, and at the same time Italy, started talking about the “European superstate”, which should replace the EU. The project, which German Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier intends to submit in Prague in early July, describes a common foreign policy, tax and visa system. It also speaks of the weakening of the role of NATO in this super-education.

The idea of ​​a single “superstate”, about which one very enterprising German person, Herr Steinmeier, will tell 4 of July (was this date chosen by chance - US Independence Day?) In Prague, has long been in the air. For several years now, experts have been talking about a certain “Reich” with the capital somewhere in Berlin and with the present government, and not with “supranational institutions” like those that the EU has. It seems that the idea is turning into a political initiative. And, of course, the Germans will represent the initiative.

However, one should not think that we are talking about some national values ​​and (God forbid) about racial purity. Quite the contrary: the ideologists of the “superstate” want to preach on the territory of the new union the refusal to control their own borders of the “former” states. Thus, refugee flows will be able to move absolutely freely.

It turns out that this initiative is generally consistent with the policies of Frau Merkel and is based on the very European values, which imply the free movement of individuals without visas and borders. A kind of European Union, only under the flag of the present state, and not a quasi-state entity with yellow asterisks. Well, it is clear who will be the main. Not Greece with Cyprus. And, of course, Britain, which is not slowly chipping away from the EU.

Presumably, Brexit and became a catalyst for political "fermentation" in Europe and led to a specific reaction of the leaders of Europe. It was not by chance that Berlin, Paris and Rome came out right now, after the British referendum, in which almost 52% of voters voted for the United Kingdom to leave the EU.

As transmits "RFI", Germany, France and Italy promised to submit a plan of reforms to the European Union and commented on the likely exit of Great Britain from the EU (Brexit).

"We agree on this issue: we will not conduct any formal or informal negotiations on the British withdrawal from the EU until an official request is made at the level of the European Council", - quoted Chancellor Angela Merkel, speaking at a press conference in Berlin after meeting with the President of France and the Prime Minister of Italy.

Regarding the reform plan of the European project, the leaders of the three states in a joint statement designated three priorities: “internal and external security”, including the fight against terrorism, the development of European defense and the protection of external European borders, “strong economy” and “ambitious programs for young people” .

As it turned out, the “case” is also Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg. RIA News" notes that some passages of the German-French project were included in the final statement of six foreign ministers (Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg). The ministers met on June 25 at the Borzig villa in Berlin.

The draft states that Germany and France “regretfully take note of the fact that the British people voted for the United Kingdom’s withdrawal from the EU”, and therefore Berlin and Paris call on the rest of the EU members 27 to perform a “dual task”: to concentrate on addressing common challenges and achieve results on previously raised questions.

The paper explains why the role of the initiators belongs to Germany and France: “Germany and France are responsible for increasing solidarity and cooperation in the European Union.”

So that “Europe jointly and confidently spoke in the international arena”, the authors of the project suggested concentrating on three areas: security, migration policy and economics.

The security alliance means pursuing a common defense policy. It is necessary to adopt the EU Global Development Strategy, which would emphasize the role of the European Union as an “independent and global player”.

“Germany and France are convinced that the time has come to substantiate a truly integrated European migration policy,” the document further notes. The question of the protection of the borders of the European Union “has long ceased to be a national task,” and therefore it is proposed to transfer it to the “first multinational agency for the protection of borders and the coast.” There is also a reality: human and technical resources will be transferred to the agency FRONTEX in the medium term. In addition, the project provides for the creation of an electronic system of entry permits for ESTA for citizens of “third countries” - with a visa-free regime. And, of course, the authors of the project emphasize the right of refugees to seek asylum (according to the Geneva Convention).

Finally, the monetary union. "France and Germany are jointly responsible for building a strong monetary union that can compete internationally," RIA quotes "News»Document.

And the question of power. According to the draft, it is proposed to create the post of head of the Eurogroup. This official will be accountable to the relevant committee of the European Parliament. The European Stabilization Mechanism (ESM) will be transformed into a European Monetary Fund operating under parliamentary control. In addition, it is planned to take steps to create a unified budget.

Polish state television channel TVP, which quotes BFM.ru, notes that the project proposed by Berlin and Paris, involves the creation of "a single European state, dependent on the strongest players of the EU today."

The states that agree to participate in the new union will lose the right to their army, special services, criminal codes, the tax system, their own currency, and central banks that are capable of "really protecting the financial interests of the national state."

The most interesting thing is that simultaneously with the EU transformation project another high-profile initiative was announced.

The draft version of the “global strategy” of the EU has been edited Financial Times.

The document notes that political uncertainty creates threats and opportunities for the EU. Germany and France see, against the background of the coming split of Britain, an impetus to deepen cooperation in the field of common defense and security within the EU. Discussion of the document promoted by Mrs. Mogherini will be discussed at the summit of EU leaders on Wednesday.

The draft document specifically mentions the need for a "consistent and unified approach" to the "strategic challenge" of Moscow, since "the EU and Russia are interdependent." We are talking about cooperation with Russia.

“Therefore, we will cooperate with Russia to discuss differences and cooperate in cases where our interests overlap,” the strategy states.

The document clearly hints "at a gradual process of reconciliation," says correspondent Alex Barker. "Reconciliation" with Moscow is associated with the likely separation of Britain from the EU.

The EU has not updated its security strategy since 2003, the publication reminds. At that time, the spirit of optimism prevailed in the union. Not so now. The authors of the document are concerned about “Russian aggression in Ukraine,” “terrorism at home,” and “the migration crisis at the borders of Europe,” the journalist lists. The project “ominously” notes: “We need a strong Europe. This is what our citizens deserve, this is what the whole world is waiting for ... "And finally:" Our union is under threat ... Our European project, which has set an unprecedented pattern of peace, prosperity and democracy, has been called into question. "



Undoubtedly, projects of such great historical The changes were inspired by the decision of the British in the recent referendum to leave the European Union: almost 52% voted for Brexit. The political career of EU supporter Prime Minister Cameron has collapsed. And we are already talking about the secession from the United Kingdom of Scotland.

The will of the British people, in fact, launched a ready mechanism for political modernization of the European Union. Obviously, after the exclusion of Britain, a new troika of leaders will be formed in the EU (we can say it has already been formed): Germany, France and Italy. Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg have joined them. The case for the following.

An unexpected Brexit gave some chances to the Kremlin. No wonder Mr. McFaul in the United States stated earlier about the victory of Putin in the British referendum. The UK, which advocated sanctions against Russia, will no longer play any role in EU policy. Probably, the new alignment may cause, if not cancellation, then easing sanctions against Moscow.

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  1. Passer
    Passer 29 June 2016 05: 56
    +24
    Germany, France, Italy ...
    And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians? They also want to be in charge.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 June 2016 06: 03
      +32
      What to do to these lacks? To be depressed, squashed, squeezed, like lemons, ruined, impoverished, aching .... THAT'S WHAT.
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 29 June 2016 06: 20
        +12
        Quote: Reptiloid
        what should these nonsense do? To be depressed, squashed, squeezed like lemons, ruined, impoverished, aching .... THAT'S WHAT.

        Nobody asked them before. They put puppets at the head - they stupidly carried out orders from Brussels. This is cannon fodder. The toilets will be cleaned for a while until they die out - and there their territories themselves will be left to the Germans. Without war. There is no one to protect them, no one asks their opinions ... the main thing is that the Soviet Union was bad.))
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 29 June 2016 06: 39
          +10
          The European Union is a CIA project, as evidenced by the recently declassified CIA documents on this issue. From the documents follows
          In the 1950's, the purpose of the American operation - and the documents prove that the Americans carried out this set of measures just like a covert operation - was to control a diverse set of states from across the ocean (even dwarfs could defend their national interests), and create a single managing center in Europe and flood it with its agents of influence.
          See - http://politobzor.net/show-97911-evrosoyuz-porozhdenie-cru.html
          It is unlikely that the Americans abandoned this idea, contrary to the assurances of Merkel and Hollande.
          As for Britain’s exit from the EU, the hidden true motives of the UK that pushed it to this are very well commented by Nikolai Starikov.

          See "Nikolai Starikov on Britain's exit from the European Union." Published: 24 Jun. 2016
          1. Bramb
            Bramb 29 June 2016 06: 51
            +5
            Quote: Tatiana
            As for Britain’s exit from the EU, the hidden true motives of the UK that pushed it to this are very well commented by Nikolai Starikov.

            And the devil is in the details!
            The man told very interesting details. The referendum is fake !!!
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 29 June 2016 07: 13
              0
              Quote: Bramb
              The man told very interesting details.

              - the main thing that the person said was about "voting with pencils" and "uncertified letters" belay

              Tell me, do you always believe everything you are told?

              All the other gems (about the "negative percentage", "falling balloon", "the need for chaos or war", TTIP, etc.) are either already known for a long time, or, sorry, far-fetched. And here it is:

              Quote: Starikov
              UK disconnect from EU throws out Europe (!) "outside the balloon basket"

              - IMHO is just a masterpiece laughing

              Here is such an interesting person Starikov, and he says such interesting things request
              1. Bramb
                Bramb 29 June 2016 07: 20
                +2
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - the main thing that the person said was about "voting with pencils" and "uncertified letters"

                Tell me, do you always believe everything you are told?

                This is precisely the main thing. after 5 minutes you can not listen.
                I don’t believe anyone at all. Even to you! )))
                But if you had a refutation of this statement, then you would have cited, right?)
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 29 June 2016 07: 37
                  -1
                  Quote: Bramb
                  I don’t believe anyone at all. Even to you! )))

                  - and it is right! good

                  Quote: Bramb
                  This is precisely the main thing. after 5 minutes you can not listen.

                  - in fact, IMHO, no. The main (IMHO) is still about the "balloon" and "poor abandoned Europe"

                  Quote: Bramb
                  But if you had a refutation of this statement, then you would have cited, right?)

                  - I expressed my doubt. I have no explicit refutation (and how do you, by the way, represent such an "explicit refutation"? belay )
                  - Great Britain is a country with very old ... um ... democratic traditions, "pencils" and "left letters" when voting in these traditions fit into ... with difficulty laughing
                  - there are many more technologically advanced ways to get the "correct" referendum results than the aforementioned "pencils"

                  All IMHO, naturally request
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 29 June 2016 08: 07
                    +7
                    With Britain's exit from the EU and Cameron's resignation, things are not so simple. In politics, nothing is unexpected - especially in the English monarchy! It's like a suitcase with a "double" bottom. Let's try to find the "second bottom" - what may be hidden in politics!
                    Firstly, the EU is a US project to manage continental Europe. The English bank is part of the US Federal Reserve. It cannot be that the United States so unexpectedly released Britain from the EU. Moreover, as some recent publications in the media report, on the one hand, the very presence of England in the EU created EU credibility in the eyes of other non-EU countries. (Now almost all European countries have entered the EU.) And secondly, contrary to popular belief, England supposedly still more “fed” from the EU countries than contributed to the EU. Therefore, in theory, it is beneficial for England and the United States that Britain remains in the EU. To get such a result when voting in a referendum, they could very well use falsification of the voting results - all the more so since the difference could be eliminated only in 1,9%. But they didn’t. Why? Let's try to find the answer.
                    Imagine that the USA is really preparing for the 3-th MV from the Russian Federation.
                    The English Bank is the head bank of the US Federal Reserve (the Rothschilds, merged together with the English monarchy). What does the global elite need to do strategically? It is necessary to withdraw England from the Russian retaliatory strike in the 3-th MV with Russia. In other words, England should not immediately be included in the TMV, but should be at the beginning of the war only as an outside observer of the events. This will allow: 1) to keep it intact, clean and tidy, 2) to observe the progress of the war in Europe and 3 painlessly) at the end of TMB to enter as a “liberator” with the corresponding preferences for the winner in 3 world war. Everything, as in WWI and WWII.
                    How to do it now? Strategically, the UK needs:
                    1. relieve oneself of obligations in the EU - withdraw Britain from the EU;
                    2. to break free of NATO commitments - to withdraw from NATO;
                    3. to conclude fictitious "allied" defense treaties separately with NATO countries without their ratification, as Great Britain did before WWII, counting on its final geopolitical victory on the principle "Winners are not judged! The winner is always right!" (And the UK may well find a loophole to refuse from its ratified "allied" treaties.)
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 29 June 2016 08: 10
                      +2
                      If it seems to someone that Britain, leaving the EU and NATO, will remain unprotected, then this is not so. Namely.
                      If Britain also leaves NATO, leaving the EU, it will conclude separately with each European country an "allied" defense treaty. Such a treaty will be drawn up with the proviso that England will comply with her obligations to her ally only if he himself does not start the war first. If an ally starts a war, England will remain neutral. That's the trick!
                      If, for example, NATO countries (and they are actually being prepared for an aggressive war against Russia) attack Russia, then Britain's withdrawal from NATO, as well as such an "allied" defense treaty with each individual NATO country, allows Great Britain to maintain its neutrality in the 3rd MV (TMV). And then, by the end of the war, she is free to join the war herself on any side she sees fit.
                      Moreover, such neutrality will allow the UK during the TMV to sell weapons to all warring parties.
                      Further. In this situation, the main thing for the British is that someone from the NATO countries begin a war in Europe.
                      Therefore, the Anglo-Saxons will do everything to start a war in Europe.
                      As for the attack on England, then according to this "allied" defensive treaty, all countries will have to defend England if anyone attacks her. So England does not remain without protection from the "allies". Moreover, it should be remembered that the United Kingdom through the Bank of England is connected as an umbilical cord with the US Federal Reserve and the United States itself. In fact, England and the United States are one and the same. The USA is England's executive arms. And the influence of Great Britain on NATO when Britain leaves NATO still remains through the US Federal Reserve, the US State Department, the CIA and the Pentagon, which leads NATO.
                      Besides. The entire EU will not break up. Rather, according to the Anglo-Saxon plan, this is not provided. Most likely, only his center of gravity in Europe will shift. It may, for example, be Poland with its plans to recreate the Commonwealth “from mozh to mozh” (from the Baltic Sea with access to the Black Sea). From the side of the Anglo-Saxons it will be pure water the exact same geopolitical “setup” that it was for Hitlerite Germany and its allies in WWII.

                      I myself made this forecast for TMV on the basis of historical data on how Great Britain and the USA prepared WWI and WWII, how they participated in them. This information about WWI and WWII can be found in the following books:
                      1. Starikov Nikolay. Geopolitics. How is this done .- SPb .: Peter, 2016. -368 with
                      2. Starikov Nikolay. 1917. The answer to the “Russian” revolution. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -416 with
                      3. Starikov Nikolay. Who made Hitler attack Stalin. Hitler's fatal mistake .-- St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -368 sec
                      4. Starikov Nikolay. Who is financing the collapse of Russia? From the Decembrists to the Mujahideen. - SPb .: Peter, 2016. - 288 sec.

                      The radical proposal of Merkel and Hollande to unite all national states in Europe into one state also does not contradict the commercial interests of Great Britain, since the European market for it is in any case maintained and even centrally simplified in the administrative and managerial plan.
                      1. sgazeev
                        sgazeev 29 June 2016 11: 49
                        0
                        The scenario of the 20th century in the 21st will not work for Britain.
                        So, bullshit, an empty thing,
                        Your britain has slain
                        And the rest, beautiful marquise,
                        All is well, all is well! lol
                      2. grandfather Mih
                        grandfather Mih 29 June 2016 13: 57
                        +1
                        I began to prepare abstracts for the article I read. Even on a piece of paper I sketched a quote of one impudently: “Our goals in this war have been achieved.” (As a result of the war, the Russian Empire was destroyed). Fulton speech - assign victory to the Naglo-Saxons, Ireland (same-sex marriage - substitution of moral values), linking some German chancellors to the perverse morality of the Naglo-Saxons and squeeze it all into a small comment. In order not to repeat myself with someone, I read the comments. And then bang! "I made...". Nick is a matter of everyday life. The image of a VO reader has formed. Breaking the template, as in that joke: the wife says to her husband, “Oh, throw it out? The man threw it away. It turned out to be a boomerang! My computer screen went out! What was that stroke or stupor?
                      3. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 29 June 2016 21: 45
                        +1
                        Rich fantasy! Are you, by any chance, not one of the Galkovsky ducklings?
                    2. dauria
                      dauria 29 June 2016 09: 06
                      +1
                      Imagine that the USA is really preparing for the 3-th MV from the Russian Federation.


                      You know, Tatyana, I had a chance to work with a man who once served an urgent 3 years at the Premier League. So somehow he dropped "a couple of years of nonsense about anxiety and war dreamed from time to time." wink
                      This is not the first time you are starting a conversation about the 3 world, and even according to some amazing unknown scenarios. Both the United States and we have long been ready for a long time ... therefore, we will not start. Take it easy.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 29 June 2016 22: 25
                        +3
                        I decipher the term TMV, which was introduced by Tatyana, as Tatyana’s World War II.

                        The books of Starikov with facts and history are weakly joined.
                        Conventional conspiracy.
                        The story of Bank of England is a typical example. The bank was completely
                        nationalized by Labor in 1947 and the Rothschilds withdrew their assets from it.
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 29 June 2016 23: 56
                        0
                        dauria
                        This is not the first time you are starting a conversation about the 3 world, and even according to some amazing unknown scenarios. Both the United States and we have long been ready for a long time ... therefore, we will not start. Take it easy.

                        First, repetition is the mother of learning. Secondly, the site is called "Military Review". And thirdly, far from all forum users read these my comments right away. The audience from article to article is changing. There are always people who read these my comments about 3-th MV for the first time. But I know for sure that this point of view of mine can very much shed light on the correct understanding of the real state of affairs. That's why I repeat myself in the articles, because I want to convey my idea to a large number of readers. And this is normal and correct. And the reviews of members of the forum push me to develop my thoughts further.
                        Fourth, dauria, it seems to me that in vain do you simplify the international situation and the enemy so much. The situation does not stand still, but develops. The question is in which direction? This is important to know. That's what analytics is for.

                        Yes, I know that our Sergey Shoigu has already warned the UK and the USA that in the 3-th MV their territories will not remain without retaliation from Russia - that the RF Armed Forces are ready for this. That the Anglo-Saxons will receive their retribution; that with them will not be the way it was in the WWII and WWII.
                        But the fact is that the Anglo-Saxons in their mentality are racists and hereditary sea pirates. They have been accustomed for centuries to consider themselves "chosen." And what kind of “pirates” are they if they will not mortally risk for the sake of profit as a result of robbery? Will be required! They will "grope" and find our "Achilles" places in Russia. Namely, in the field of the RF Armed Forces, industrial defense, social programs, work with the “5” and “6” columns, and even attempts to remove the same GDP from power, etc.
                        The media has already reported that the Anglo-Saxons in the Pentagon are stubbornly developing a combat strategy for launching and maintaining the 3 MV with Russia.
                        The essence of their strategy, in particular, is as follows. Try to deliver a preemptive strike by NATO forces against Russia to exchange nuclear attacks only between Europe and Russia, so that Russia will use up all its nuclear potential before it can be used against the United States, and only then fight with what remains. Therefore, do not think that Great Britain and the United States refused or will refuse to attack Russia. This will never happen! Now the hybrid war of the USA against Russia is the preparation of the population of Europe for the preventive attack of NATO countries on Russia.
                        Therefore, it is very important to carefully monitor and correctly assess the international situation - and promptly eliminate the risks of starting TMV. Russia cannot "miss" the time of the beginning of the war!
                        Thus, it is impossible for all Russians to engage in hatred in matters of national security of the country before the threat of an enemy attack! Every observation and every informed opinion is important both from the side of the special services of the Russian Federation and from ordinary Russians.
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                      4. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 30 June 2016 16: 55
                        0
                        voyaka uh
                        I decipher the term TMV, which was introduced by Tatyana, as Tatyana’s World War II.
                        The books of Starikov with facts and history are weakly joined.
                        Conventional conspiracy.
                        The story of Bank of England is a typical example. The bank was completely
                        nationalized by Labor in 1947 and the Rothschilds withdrew their assets from it.

                        Alexey! You can ironize as much as you like, but you are biased!
                        Firstly, the Rothschilds are really, remaining in the shadows, completely guilty of British policy after they opened their private Bank of England and organized many wars: in particular, Sweden against Russia, the French Revolution, Napoleonic Wars and the Great Patriotic War of the 1912 of Russia, in unleashing the WWII and WWII, the February and October Revolution in Russia, etc.
                        However, you are illogical. For WWII in Europe ended in the year 1945, and the Rothschilds withdrew their capital, as you say, when? That's it - after WWII - supposedly during the nationalization of the Bank of England after the war in 1946! If withdrawn, then why? To speculate on usurious% on!
                        You advocate the Rothschilds! Do you want to whitewash the Rothschilds and absolve them of guilt for crimes against humanity? And to say that the usurious nature of the banking financial clan of the Rothschilds has changed? And what do you think, in the Bank of England, Rothschild did not leave his lobbying managers or bribed them after? If you, Andrey, really think so, then you personally do not understand either business or politics! Or are you just trying to hide something from us. That's all.

                        See “Money, Bank of England.mp4” Posted on: 3 Feb. 2013


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                    3. Altona
                      Altona 29 June 2016 10: 12
                      +3
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      . In other words, England should not immediately be included in the TMV, but should be at the beginning of the war only as an outside observer of the events. This will allow: 1) to keep it intact, in clean and tidy, 2) to observe the progress of the war in Europe painlessly and 3) to enter as a “liberator” at the end of the TMB with the winner’s preferences in the 3rd world war. Everything, as in WWI and WWII.

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                      This is some kind of completely unrealistic scenario. That is, you believe that the war will be fought with conventional weapons, in which NATO has overwhelming superiority in aviation, navy and living people, at least on paper. To sit back on the island and overseas will not work. The answer from our side will immediately wet the United States and its closest allies, Britain will also fall under attack as a key CP in Europe. Base Clyde will be covered with the first blows as a haven for Weingard nuclear submarines with Trident missiles.
                    4. Mavrikiy
                      Mavrikiy 29 June 2016 11: 01
                      0
                      Answer for Tatyana

                      "Imagine that the United States is really preparing for the 3rd MV with the Russian Federation."

                      Warn the United States that the first shot in our direction is Missiles in England, including London.
                      3MB will be postponed for 50 years.
                    5. gg.na
                      gg.na 29 June 2016 11: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      moreover, the difference could be eliminated only by 1,9%. But they didn’t. Why? Let's try to find the answer.
                      Imagine that the USA is really preparing for the 3-th MV from the Russian Federation.

                      So I’m also thinking about the Euro-European chitrozagogulin (all these ongoing actions and conversations, especially in the last month), and also damn, I’m inclined to about the same opinion as Vashe.NO! If I and you have roughly the same opinion (I just didn’t want to voice it (I don’t know request why I didn’t want to)) ... So that's what I mean ..., what Oh yes! If you and I came to the same conclusion, then surely in the government, and Vladimir Putin himself came to the same conclusion. And I think that any countermeasures have already been taken so as not to unleash the TMV !!! But for analytics, I would put you 100500 ++++++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!!! good
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                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 29 June 2016 17: 31
                        0
                        Ha! If you, my dear forum users, my analytics "intrigued", then here is the factorological information still interesting to you - for dessert, so to speak!

                        So, in terms of the preparation of the US and the "collective West" of the 3rd MV against Russia and the appearance of purely German (German) military units in the Baltic states - count on the Russian border - the following message draws attention to itself.
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                        On June 27 on June 2016, at a meeting in Prague, German Foreign Minister Steinmeier and his French counterpart Eiro presented to the Foreign Ministers of the Visegrad Four countries (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia) an 9-page document in cat. we are talking about a plan to create a "European superstate." The Polish television channel described this document as an ultimatum. It is understood that the constituent parts of the projected superstate will lose their sovereign right to have their own armed forces, national currency and their own tax system. In addition, member states of the proposed supranational entity will lose control over their borders, as well as procedures for the reception and accommodation of refugees.
                        The Steinmeier-Eiro Memorandum, entitled “A strong Europe in the world of uncertainties”, was prepared, as it turned out, even before the referendum on Britain's withdrawal from the European Union. This information, of course, sheds additional light on the reasons that prompted the British government to organize this referendum. One way or another, Brexit facilitated and accelerated the advancement of the “European superstate” project, whose idea had matured and hatched for a long time.
                        Polish Foreign Minister Vashchikovsky reacted negatively, diplomatically stating that "Europe and our voters do not want to give the Union into the hands of technocrats." In addition, the most important component of Warsaw’s European policy is the “containment” of neighbors: Germany in the West, Russia in the East - it rises to the degree of Germanophobia (!) And Russophobia (!). And no matter how much they say in Berlin that they don’t think of a “superstate”, but only think about how to create a “better Europe” after Britain’s “departure”, the Poles understand that "Better Europe" in the view of the Germans is German Europe. In this part of the Old World, no other is given.
                        And the appearance of parts of the German (German) armed forces in the Baltic states only prove this.
                        See details - http://politobzor.net/show-97913-cherez-brexit-k-evropeyskomu-supergosudarstvu.h
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                        In all these cases, the behavior of the leadership of Poland itself immediately after the endorsement of the UK referendum on the country's exit from the EU is extremely interesting. London's assurances of support for Poland were executed in exactly the same spirit as the fraudulent assurances of Poland by London before the WWII - i.e. before the seizure of Poland by Germany.
                        In European affairs, the policy of the ruling party in Poland, Law and Justice (PiS), is oriented towards London. Immediately after the results of the referendum in the UK, Foreign Minister Vitold Vashchikovsky held urgent telephone conversations with his British counterpart Philip Hammond. He reassured the Pole, saying that Brexit would not affect London’s support for Warsaw, nor Poland’s position in NATO.
                        http://politobzor.net/show-97913-cherez-brexit-k-evropeyskomu-supergosudarstvu.h
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                      3. Andrey Yuryevich
                        Andrey Yuryevich 30 June 2016 02: 39
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                        Quote: gg.na
                        Oh yes! If you and I came to the same conclusion, then surely in the government, and Vladimir Putin himself came to the same conclusion.

                        wassat amazing self-doubt ...
                    6. joopel
                      joopel 29 June 2016 15: 06
                      +1
                      Yes, everything is simple with this braxit, his mother ...! Another US-Aglitsky zalipuha! Before pushing the geyropu on a campaign east, England is taken to the audience at the first stage with a further transition to the winners in any situation. Everything is exactly the same as in the Second World War. True, Hitler has not yet been appointed in the geyrop, but soon, I think, this loshara will appear in full growth.
                    7. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 29 June 2016 21: 39
                      0
                      To do this, you need to leave NATO, what does the EU have to do with it?
                    8. Heinrich ruppert
                      Heinrich ruppert 29 June 2016 22: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      1. relieve oneself of obligations in the EU - withdraw Britain from the EU;

                      This is exactly what Vladimir and Jean agreed in Brisbane.
                      When Vladimir allegedly talked with Angela for 2 hours. In fact, only 20 minutes were spent on her, and then Jean got the hell out of the box. And she sat the rest barking and sniffing in two holes.
                      And what a contented snail Vladimir from Brisbane. He didn’t give a damn. He agreed with the main money bag in Europe. Tech as Jean was the head of Europe’s largest Afshor in Luxenburg. And a lot of money bags in Europe very much want to work quietly and have good relations with their neighbors. And jean is the official representative of this block. And since many opponents of this block depend on America. In particular, Angela and other Baltic mongrels, therefore, they will work off the grandmothers who stole from the European taxpayers.
                  2. 27091965
                    27091965 29 June 2016 20: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    - I expressed my doubt. I have no explicit refutation (and how do you, by the way, represent such an "explicit refutation"?


                    Decent answer. +
            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 29 June 2016 07: 13
              +1
              Bramb
              Quote: Tatiana
              As for Britain’s exit from the EU ..., Nikolay Starikov comments very well.
              And the devil is in the details!
              The man told very interesting details. The referendum is fake !!!
              That's just it, that the referendum is "fake" !!! repeat
              1. BARKAS
                BARKAS 29 June 2016 08: 25
                +4
                I look at the news on some European politicians and it seems that they are most pleased with the results of the British referendum but carefully hide it, they really want to change Europe themselves, without the participation of the USA today there is a unique chance for this!
              2. gg.na
                gg.na 29 June 2016 11: 50
                0
                Quote: Tatiana
                That's just it, that the referendum is "fake" !!!

                Maybe not fake, but if you wish, you can simply ignore it by the government and other high authority of small-sized people "
          2. Sergey39
            Sergey39 29 June 2016 07: 15
            0
            Of course, all this is very similar to the truth, but not a fact. It could be a fatal mistake, especially with such a commander.
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 29 June 2016 11: 02
              0
              Quote: Sergey39
              Of course, all this is very similar to the truth, but not a fact. It could be a fatal mistake, especially with such a commander.

              Do not worry, the commander is being looked after there and people are more serious than you and I.
          3. Observer2014
            Observer2014 29 June 2016 08: 24
            +4
            This is what I want to publish. Europe is disintegrating. The question arises: What to do with the project "refugees"? And not for this reason they were herded there and driven in such a quantity. Maybe they will launch a Euro-caliphate? Without England! In this matter, the main thing is to get away, under a plausible pretext. Well, and then, as in the immortal saying. "We wanted to do the best, it turned out as always." And everything in the world is going according to plan. Some political processes do not start themselves. These very processes are controlled artificially. Any spontaneous deviation from the intended goal is corrected.
            This is very well seen on a small scale by the example of Donbass. On a larger scale, artificial control is less noticeable to the eyes of a simple layman.
            1. gg.na
              gg.na 29 June 2016 11: 54
              +1
              Quote: Observer2014
              This is very well seen on a small scale by the example of Donbass. On a larger scale, artificial control is less noticeable to the eyes of a simple layman.

              So this is the way it is, even without any questions. Everything is done artificially and everything is guided by those who remain in the shade!
            2. Heinrich ruppert
              Heinrich ruppert 29 June 2016 23: 05
              +1
              Quote: Observer2014
              .Can launch the euro caliphate? Well, as a horror story. For starters.


              Already launched, all the media trumpet this. Yes, the people are already so aggressive,
              * warm up * even more.
          4. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 29 June 2016 14: 01
            +1
            Mutation of the European Union - there was a state circus, there will be a state reservation. Something all of these changes resemble American politics with Native American tribes.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 29 June 2016 06: 39
        +9
        Quote: Reptiloid
        What to do to these lacks? To be depressed, squashed, squeezed like lemons, ruined, impoverished, aching ...

        Somewhere I already heard about this ... I remembered! Hitler was also met with flowers! They choke when the fellow fries - it will be too late ... They will not release it back. And how to imagine an independent, for example, Austria in the midst of a single European state? In our country, too, in the early 90s, when Drunkard Sverdlovsky said his famous phrase about sovereignty, there was talk that Tataria could secede from Russia, like, it would feed itself Tatneft and Kamaz ... And then they were asked to think how they will sell this oil and how their KamAZ will work "on its own", being in the middle of Russia - and the talk about sovereignty ended ...

        Interesting - to save Europe from the next Reich and the Fuhrer (this time not in Berlin sitting, but in Washington) will we have to again? Do we need it? ....
        1. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 29 June 2016 07: 00
          +10
          Quote: Reptiloid
          What do these nonsense do? To be flattened, flattened ...


          These are the nits of Eurovision -
          Insect of war.
          Disgusting kind
          A louse is climbing from the depths!

          Russians such a Mr. and a
          He strives to spank with a slipper, -
          Gnid is tormented by resentment
          What nits have is a lousy look.

          And anyone will see right away
          From which country is creeping
          Infectious
          Insect of war.

          But the nits of Eurovision -
          Lousy pyramid plans:
          West nnide blurt grandmother,
          To buy a louse slippers.

          But the nits have only the belly
          And the brains are deaf
          There’s nothing for her to think about
          What will happen to her later

          And slippers will crush her,
          What's on the western grandmother
          Will buy lousy for the country
          Insect of war!

          Slippers are very good
          To crush this louse, -
          The plane is not so good
          Slippers better crush the louse!

          And by lousy order
          Slippers crush like elephants
          Infectious
          Insect of war!

          This n Eurovision -
          t varia infectious, do not touch,
          Disgusting kind
          This future louse!
          Yunna Moritz
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 29 June 2016 13: 32
            0
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            Quote: Reptiloid
            What do these nonsense do? To be flattened, flattened ...


            These are the nits of Eurovision -
            Insect of war.
            Disgusting kind
            A louse is climbing from the depths!

            Russians such a Mr. and a
            He strives to spank with a slipper, -
            Gnid is tormented by resentment
            What nits have is a lousy look.

            And anyone will see right away
            From which country is creeping
            Infectious
            Insect of war.

            But the nits of Eurovision -
            Lousy pyramid plans:
            West nnide blurt grandmother,
            To buy a louse slippers.

            But the nits have only the belly
            And the brains are deaf
            There’s nothing for her to think about
            What will happen to her later

            And slippers will crush her,
            What's on the western grandmother
            Will buy lousy for the country
            Insect of war!

            Slippers are very good
            To crush this louse, -
            The plane is not so good
            Slippers better crush the louse!

            And by lousy order
            Slippers crush like elephants
            Infectious
            Insect of war!

            This n Eurovision -
            t varia infectious, do not touch,
            Disgusting kind
            This future louse!
            Yunna Moritz

            Well, you Alena, have fun)) +++ you Five!
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 29 June 2016 07: 14
          +4
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          It is interesting - to save Europe from the next Reich and the Fuhrer (this time not in Berlin sitting, but in Washington) will we again have to? Do we need it?

          no really. Stop killing the Russian people. So "the rescue of the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves"
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 29 June 2016 11: 07
          +2
          Answer for Zoldat_A
          Soldatik, and who will ask us? The pull-up mechanism does not have time to gasp. Do the Russians want war, you ask the silence. We do not want, but the clock is running. Maybe there are several years while the United States digests Europe.
        4. 72jora72
          72jora72 29 June 2016 13: 15
          0
          It is interesting - to save Europe from the next Reich and the Fuhrer (this time not in Berlin sitting, but in Washington) will we again have to? Do we need it? ....
          It’s not necessary, but it’s necessary ....... this is the purpose of Russia, and whether we want it or not, we will stand alone against all from century to century. We are a kind of antivirus ....... a kind of antivirus of the Almighty.
      3. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad 29 June 2016 08: 04
        0
        Quote: Reptiloid
        What to do to these lacks? To be depressed, squashed, squeezed, like lemons, ruined, impoverished, aching .... THAT'S WHAT.

        Why are you using all this in the future tense, the process is already underway, if it has not already passed.
      4. Lelek
        Lelek 29 June 2016 09: 09
        +1
        Quote: Reptiloid
        What do these nonsense do?


        At one time, the German Fuhrer Adolf Aloizovich measured the strength of arms and troops of the SS, SD, Wehrmacht to unite the European continent right up to the Urals under the patronage of Germany. He did not succeed, and the adjutant bullet put a point in his story. Today something similar happens, but with the help of other instruments, Frau Chancellor Angela Batkovna. But it seems that her mission will not end pinkly (these vassals, their mother, want to be identical and still live in abundance, and some even for free). Here it is, brothers, it turns out (IMHO) parsley.
        Oleg Chuvakin, as always, "on top" and thanks to him for the review.
        The other day I noticed an article about Die Zeit's opinions about Russia (click):
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 29 June 2016 06: 03
      +2
      Quote: Passer
      Germany, France, Italy ...
      And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians?

      Relax and have fun. Already migrants will provide them.
    3. The black
      The black 29 June 2016 06: 15
      +4
      And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians? They also want to be in charge.
      ... And they will be the main ... in the housing and communal services ... well, in the sense of toilets to scuffle ... laughing
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 29 June 2016 06: 48
        +7
        Quote: Black
        ... And they will be the main ... in the housing and communal services ... well, in the sense of toilets to scuffle ... laughing

        It is unlikely that it shines for them, this place is a "guiding star", "an outpost of the European Union" - Poland, is occupied laughing
    4. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 29 June 2016 06: 20
      0
      Glavnyuki rather ..
      Quote: Passer
      Germany, France, Italy ...
      And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians? They also want to be in charge.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 29 June 2016 06: 34
      +5
      So far, the United States has put on swaggering Poland. They also do not need the Reich, like the Russian or Ottoman Empire. But how to stop these democratic referendums of European nations? This is some kind of horror! Their results are becoming unpredictable for liberal democrats.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 29 June 2016 06: 44
        +2
        Right. "Uncle" will not allow himself to be counterbalanced, he needs a talkative, kneeling Europe, carrying out all the instructions ...
    7. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 29 June 2016 06: 36
      +3
      as during the Second World War, go to Khivi. what else can the deer offer "European masters" besides their service. another question - what kind of "European unification" will it be? it turns out over the past 3 centuries - the 4th: Napoleon, Hitler, EU, now EEG (a single European state)? the first two broke down on Russia. The EU again breaks down on Russia. Is it really necessary to break the EEG? laughing
    8. Sergey39
      Sergey39 29 June 2016 06: 45
      0
      And they will remain the last state stronghold in Europe.
    9. inkass_98
      inkass_98 29 June 2016 06: 45
      +1
      They will be the "chief" in the micro-reich under Polish rule.
      As for the Fourth Reich - I have long been waiting for the next step to merge the EU into one Reich / USSR / USA - whatever you like. This is a completely logical and obvious step in further reforming Europe in order to create a counterbalance to the United States and NATO. Moreover, the external enemy or "the most probable enemy" will remain the same: Russia, although it will periodically be perceived as one of the leading partners. Under Hitler, until the very beginning of the war, there was cooperation with the USSR, and during the Cold War everything was exactly the same. Trade is trade, and politics is on its way.
    10. Stiletto
      Stiletto 29 June 2016 09: 06
      0
      Quote: Passer
      And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians?


      ... And these Cameron deprived of the feed base hi
    11. Maksus
      Maksus 29 June 2016 09: 31
      0
      ..tells 4 of July (whether such a date was chosen by chance - US Independence Day?) in Prague ...

      This is Monday, no more)
      And so the idea is sound - one country, one laws and, most importantly, one border.
    12. Vend
      Vend 29 June 2016 09: 59
      0
      Quote: Passer
      Germany, France, Italy ...
      And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians? They also want to be in charge.

      Not such a vague prospect of the next Reich. The German idea played no imperial ambitions of France and Italy. That's just the French and Italians in power did not dare that Germany simply uses them. Theory of peaceful conquest. Only Germany will be the main thing, everything goes to that. The British can’t put up with this. And the other European liver, only as a territory in the end.
    13. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 29 June 2016 11: 34
      0
      And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians?
      So everything has been decided long ago. Guess whose sayings are these? - "one must be guided by one basic principle: to give room to those who wish to enjoy individual freedoms, to avoid any form of state control and thereby do everything to ensure that these peoples are at the lowest possible level of cultural development."
      "We must always proceed from the fact that, first of all, the task of these peoples is to serve our economy."
      "First of all, we must not send German teachers to the eastern territories. Otherwise, we will lose both children and parents. We will lose the entire nation, since the knowledge hammered into their heads will not be used for future use. The best thing would be if people only learned sign language there. The radio would broadcast what is useful to the community: unlimited music. Only they should not be taught to mental work. "
    14. marl
      marl 29 June 2016 11: 45
      0
      Quote: Passer
      And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians?

      The same as before - groveling in front of Europe and yapping at Russia. They themselves chose this role.
    15. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 June 2016 13: 10
      0
      Quote: Passer
      Germany, France, Italy ...
      And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians?

      Relax and try to have fun. smile

      UPD: well, above have already advised the same. smile
    16. Pitot
      Pitot 29 June 2016 15: 16
      0
      By the way, something this alliance reminds ..... somewhere in the back of History looms again the stinky union of cormorants ... or Mozahists ....
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 June 2016 06: 04
    +1
    That's right, a single space, from Lisbon to Vladivostok! And there was NO London laughing unfastened - and good. There is nothing for the Anglo-Saxons in a united Europe - only they will stir up the water. But who will rule in this alliance if the arrogant Saxons are moved away from their NATO is a big question wassat
    Who is the largest and most powerful country in Europe? Ha, this is a twist.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 29 June 2016 06: 40
      +1
      In peacetime, the one who has the most money rules. Even if there is a joint-stock company "From Ocean to Ocean", whose controlling stake will be?
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 June 2016 06: 07
    +2
    "Presumably, Brexit became a catalyst for political" fermentation "in Europe and led to a specific reaction from the leaders of Europe"
    The author is mistaken. The withdrawal of England was long planned. The transformation of the EU into a state is going according to plan, this is not an impromptu.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 June 2016 06: 38
      +1
      The exit process is gradual, not instant. Petition, talk of a veto ..? Maybe everything will end with words, so, an illusion of protest. Until concrete actions have begun, I think it's too early to say.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 29 June 2016 09: 20
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The withdrawal of England was long planned. The transformation of the EU into a state is going according to plan, this is not an impromptu.


      Wait and see. It is too early to "grumble" about this. What they will have there in Europe - deep "to Fenichka". You need to equip your Russia. yes
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 June 2016 06: 12
    +2
    "The unexpected Brexit gave some chances to the Kremlin as well. It was not for nothing that Mr. McFaul in the United States announced earlier about Putin's victory."
    Nonsense. Also say that this is the United States creates it for our convenience. It's just that HIS is a mousetrap from which no one will be released. The United States will buy the top and will also rotate it as the EU.
    And Putin’s Victory is a jabber. It is necessary to say something.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 June 2016 06: 27
      +4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      HIS is a mousetrap from which no one will be released. The United States will buy the top and will also rotate it as the EU.

      Absolutely true! good.

      And pay attention - if the United States previously adhered to the principle of "divide and rule", then the tactics have changed. It turned out to be expensive and ineffective to buy up many small governments at retail, to create a bunch of quasi-states in Europe. The borders of Western Europe have been too fixed for the last 70 years. The main thing that America needs from Europe is its sales market, open to American corporations, the primacy of American banks and the dollar, a common springboard for deploying its troops. And in this sense, managing one big supermarket is much easier than a bunch of small bazaars. .

      In this way - one market, one government under control - and America’s goal of FULL submission to Europe has been achieved! So that they do not vyzhivatsya with some of their "national interests", and recognize only the interests of the United States and live only for them.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 29 June 2016 07: 02
        0
        Not the fact that the US will succeed.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 June 2016 07: 23
          +2
          Quote: Sergey39
          Not the fact that the US will succeed.

          So why not try? Nobody believed in the collapse of the USSR either - and unexpectedly even for America, which put so much effort into this, BOOM! And all it took was to feed a small bunch of traitors with grants, American Express cards and loans ... And then, the Americans hope, it can work ...

          It’s incomprehensible - the President of a great country, the former General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, to buy a thousand cards of American money with a plastic card on 200! We now take more bribes in the district administrations !!! Well, America has enough green paper for everyone, so let's see if it works out with Europe or not ...
  5. surrozh
    surrozh 29 June 2016 06: 18
    0
    Throwing off ballast from economic freeloaders and making friends with us against the USA - it may well turn out to be an independent and independent state. And China is not far from us, the SCO, billions of consumers.
  6. Nix1986
    Nix1986 29 June 2016 06: 19
    +1
    The European Union is a large family, and as is often the case in large families, a couple of family members of exemplary workaholics (France and Germany) are pulling one gouging (Spain) and mother's son (Italy). Perhaps in the end we will see one state, but only on the territory of France, Germany and possibly Benelux.
  7. Cat man null
    Cat man null 29 June 2016 06: 20
    +1
    Here, IMHO, it's good about the "goals, objectives and driving forces" of Brexit:

    Quote: http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com
    The result of the referendum has nothing to do with "popular will" and "revolt of the lower classes against the political establishment" and other expert delirium.

    Yesterday there was a match between two warring segments of the British elite, which have absolutely incompatible images of the future for Britain.
    On the one hand, there were supporters of the "status quo", in which one of the main "functions" of Britain is to represent Anglo-Saxon interests in the EU and control the EU together with the "Brussels bureaucracy", which openly works for the United States.
    On the other hand, there were those who did not believe in the "end of history" according to Fukuyama and were trying to leave the EU and even the US "orbit" before the existing system went down. For this group, the role of the main offshore "hub" for yuan trading (for example) is much more attractive than the role of the American Cerberus within the EU.

    As an illustrative illustration, we can say that among the supporters and sponsors of Brexit are owners of companies such as Reebok and large hedge funds Odey Asset Management and CQS (owners of funds are billionaires who serve billionaires and manage their money)
    Those who want more interesting details can just carefully read the biography of Nigel Faraj - the head of the UKIP and the Brexit campaign
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 June 2016 06: 20
    +4
    I will say a proverb about the prospects of these plans. You can not harness in one cart, horse and quivering doe. Let's look at this with the help of a hyperbola - which state on equal terms can be created, say, by Germany and any republic of Tribaltia. Who will earn how much and who will spend how much. If Germany agrees to feed the Chukhons, this is her business, then what kind of equality are we talking about? I’m ready to help children unselfishly, well, in the end, to a friend, and excuse my neighbors, parasites.
  9. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 June 2016 06: 23
    +2
    "And we are already talking about a secession from the United Kingdom of Scotland.2
    Yes England will give North. Ireland, Wells and whatever you like. He will only leave City, "the needle of kashcheev's life."
  10. Bort radist
    Bort radist 29 June 2016 06: 23
    +4
    It will not work, gentlemen, without loss to jump from the EU into some other alliance.
    The periods of decay, half-life and fermentation of the masses will go through to the fullest. Everything that our country survived after the collapse of the USSR. Freedom is so bittersweet.
    Abroad will help you. laughing
  11. Bramb
    Bramb 29 June 2016 06: 24
    +1
    In general, such a boom (enlargement of states, seizure of territories, a bunch of global promises, unrest of various kinds), as history shows, always precedes a big war. This foam is the top of major changes that we do not see. But since the foam came out, then soon ...
  12. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 29 June 2016 06: 26
    0
    This is just a new wrapper, no matter how you say it or change the name of the projects, it’s good that only sharks will be in such an alliance. France and Germany and Italy will remain dairy cows and landfills. And there is nothing that can arlinally change the opinion of the people living in the EU. And I personally think that it’s just after Britain left that everyone rushed to take the vacancy of one of the leaders. Migration control is good of course, but as the economic parameter was weak, it will remain. people are not happy with cuts and its popular reforms, what is the new strategy? Vladimir Putin accurately said that any alliances are to some extent the loss of part of sovereignty. The union of the three states exploiting the others can no longer withstand today and the fact that the innovation is proposed .... it is only on paper. But the excessive demonization as it seems to me in the subject all the same shows. To begin with, the EU would have to revise the sanctions policy. Here's why it is tedious to start. This is the first thing the EU workers are waiting for after the migration issue, but the guys are just sitting in front of an overseas monkey. I think the changes are not far off. memoirs and in their place come those who have to solve the huge hemorrhoids left by their predecessors. For this we need radical decisions. reforms.
  13. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 29 June 2016 06: 33
    +1
    Quote: Passer
    Germany, France, Italy ...
    And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians? They also want to be in charge.

    Nothing! As they were nobody and nothing, they remained, this is a "world threat and an empire of evil" The USSR allowed the luxury of investing in these "suitcases without handles", they cannot live under someone else. repeat
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 June 2016 06: 35
    0
    The idea of ​​a single "superstate"

    One project is covered with a copper basin, we decided to go from the other side and try again. It was not for nothing that Grandfather Krylov once wrote in a fable: "How can you friends sit down ...".
  15. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 29 June 2016 06: 37
    0
    EU independent defense industry? This is a rejection of American bases in the EU? I don’t see what their defense industry depends on. Yes and why? Isn’t it calmer to live at the sight of our missiles and with a bunch of Bigmakov’s Amirans))
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 June 2016 06: 40
    0
    Well, in general, the right decision. To steer only those
    who is competent in this and has the ability to do so.
    And any mongrel agents of the USA, like Poland, the Baltic states,
    to deprive the influence on the decisions of real Europeans.
    In short, they will show the plumbers and governesses their place ...
  17. sa-ag
    sa-ag 29 June 2016 06: 42
    +1
    "... the new alignment may become the reason, if not the cancellation, then the easing of sanctions against Moscow." key point

    Still, the key point in all this is the lifting of sanctions against Parmesan and jamon, everywhere this guiding anti-sanction dream comes out of the bag as an awl ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 29 June 2016 06: 45
      0
      Quote: sa-ag
      Still, the key point in all this is the lifting of sanctions against Parmesan and jamon, everywhere this guiding anti-sanction dream comes out of the bag as an awl ...

      These parmesanhams were given to you ...

      For example, the Almaz-Antey VKO Concern is now "under sanctions". And it's not about parmesan-jams at all ... unfortunately.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 29 June 2016 06: 52
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        These parmesanhams were given to you ...

        Well, this is the general designation
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        For example, the Almaz-Antey VKO Concern is now under sanctions. And it’s not about parmesan-jams… unfortunately.

        But it’s generally strange that the military-industrial complex depended on the states of a potential adversary, it’s very strange
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 June 2016 07: 48
          +3
          Quote: sa-ag
          But it’s generally strange that the military-industrial complex depended on the states of a potential adversary, it’s very strange

          - just ... um ... you don't have to pretend to be a girl. It "depended" even under the Soviet Union - and not all equipment was domestic, and not all components were either
          - what was under the Broom (which Jackson) - was bought in cunning ways, I once heard something about "nesting dolls", for example. Haven't you had an hour? wink
          - and after in the 90s they killed both electronics and machine tools, and many more were killed, they will have to be reinstated a little more ..
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 29 June 2016 08: 36
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            it’s necessary to recover oooo still ..


            But still have to. Otherwise, we will return to the Stone Age and complete dependence on the supply of spare parts for machines.
          2. Beefeater
            Beefeater 29 June 2016 09: 03
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Quote: sa-ag
            But it’s generally strange that the military-industrial complex depended on the states of a potential adversary, it’s very strange

            - just ... um ... you don't have to pretend to be a girl. It "depended" even under the Soviet Union - and not all equipment was domestic, and not all components were either
            - what was under the Broom (which Jackson) - was bought in cunning ways, I once heard something about "nesting dolls", for example. Haven't you had an hour? wink
            - and after in the 90s they killed both electronics and machine tools, and many more were killed, they will have to be reinstated a little more ..

            Nowadays, everything is being restored very quickly there would be money. And markets. Sales markets are now the most important
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 29 June 2016 11: 03
              0
              Quote: Beefeater
              Nowadays, everything is being restored very quickly there would be money.

              Here, not so much money is important, although it is also, but first of all ideas, people who are able to turn ideas into hardware
          3. dauria
            dauria 29 June 2016 09: 24
            0
            It "depended" even under the Soviet Union - and not all equipment was domestic, and not all components were either


            It was once possible to launch a coordinate measuring machine. Italy, a marble table, amerovskaya PDP-8 computer ... Oh, and to Italy behind him a director, a bunch of deputies with a simple ... (translators) swept. wassat But then its (and not bad) was 99 percent. Import was rather an interesting curiosity, but I did not argue. Some moments in their glands were worthy of praise, but no more.
            And the lag slowly began to be felt towards the end of Gorbach.
          4. sa-ag
            sa-ag 29 June 2016 11: 01
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            and not all equipment was domestic,

            equipment is equipment, but what about power plants for the military unit? Or electronics?
          5. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 29 June 2016 13: 20
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - what was under Broom (which is Jackson) - was purchased in cunning ways

            Oh yes ... The Toshiba-Kongsberg case is still remembered - when ours managed to buy four unique machines for the production of propellers, delivering them under 5 separate contracts, separating the machine and CNC and falsifying documents for export control.
  18. Aleksander
    Aleksander 29 June 2016 06: 42
    +2
    started talking about a "European superstate"

    When it comes to anything with the prefix "super", it speaks of big problems with the one to which it is attached ....
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 29 June 2016 07: 15
      +2
      Quote: Aleksander
      started talking about a "European superstate"

      When it comes about anything with the prefix "super", this speaks of the big problems with what she is assigned to ....

      Only SUPER glue is worth it - only the fingers of the glue stick well and stick together ... And the superstate is there too ...
  19. CONTROL
    CONTROL 29 June 2016 07: 01
    +3
    Super Supereuroraich! ...
    It was: - the millennial Reich ... - blood and steel ... - drang nah ... - calipers for measuring the parameters of the skulls of the "Aryans" and "non-Aryans" ... - and so on!
    Just some kind of psychosis in the genes: to rule over everyone ... to unite under the auspices ... But the main thing still remains - drang tries ...!
    ... A united army? for the whole "European"? And who will be in charge of it? The command core from "Deutsche Official" und alte Camedena? ...
    ... I don’t know how anyone, but I was taught in the army according to the Charter: the main figure in the army is a soldier! And with that - with that sweet-fat-glamorous life in which Europe is mired - it will be taut!
    Therefore, the soldiers in the Euroreich army will be Somali blacks, Iranian-Lebanese-Kuwaiti militants ... Albanian drug traffickers ... well, maybe ukrobandera ...
    -------
    Well, this is so - the first impressions of the "ticking" Euro-Reich so far at the deliberative level ...
    ----------
    And Britain has never been a leader there - only as a chain mongrel of the USA!
    They barely squeezed into the "Common Market"; and even then - in those "shaggy years" half of the country was against ... without any "Brexits"!
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 29 June 2016 07: 11
    +3
    “We need a strong Europe. This is what our citizens deserve, this is what the whole world expects

    Oh! Rabbit Senya also said so: "We need a strong Ukraine ..." Well, let the EU be the same as in Ukraine now.
  21. parusnik
    parusnik 29 June 2016 07: 19
    +1
    Something reminiscent of it .. it was like more than 20 years, at sunset of the USSR, the union of the Slavic states of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus was discussed ... It didn’t grow together .. fled .. So here Germany, France Italy .. almost the empire of Charlemagne ..And the rest where: Poland, Romania, the Baltics .. in a bag .. and survive as you want? .. Like enough to feed Eastern Europe ..?
  22. Taygerus
    Taygerus 29 June 2016 07: 26
    +1
    in my opinion, the tribaltes are in complete prostration, they even stopped yapping at Russia, since the future has become dim for them, well, and svidomye about the EU in general can forget, the EU will definitely not feed them
  23. bad
    bad 29 June 2016 08: 10
    +2
    ... heh ... something I think the Saxons jumped off for good reason ... apparently the geyropa still does not understand that they raped and threw them like suckers laughing ..and the Anglo-Saxons will benefit in the long run..with mattresses..and if the euroreich does not grow together with their attempts, then we expect a parade of sovereignty and if not sad chaos and war .. all the same, I hope Russia will pass the trouble, but here it’s time for the geyropam to grab shit on the ears .. like we are in the 90s ..
  24. Amurets
    Amurets 29 June 2016 08: 11
    -1
    Quote: Passer
    And what about the Baltic states and other Ukrainians? They also want to be in charge.

    Wanting was not harmful! It was necessary not to ruin the industry, but to develop! Now Germany and France and Italy, which joined them, will be the leaders and masters of Europe. Germany’s dreams of the Fourth Reich are beginning to come true. Germany Italy has already been in the history of Europe. With the addition of France instead of Japan, the non-anti-Comintern pact against the Russian Federation, the more Merkel sees no reason to abolish anti-Russian sanctions, today's news reported.
    http://fb.ru/article/46797/antikominternovskiy-pakt
  25. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 29 June 2016 08: 15
    +3
    If the EU were created as a purely economic entity, God be with it, but politics intervened - the result is logical.
    Today, I personally care about only one question in his future fate - what will we gain with various scenarios.
  26. Arkan
    Arkan 29 June 2016 08: 21
    0
    Coal and Steel Union 2.0. The rake in the project is old, the British exit will soften the policy of this formation, but not dramatically, since there is nothing new to expect with the current leadership of the six leaders. The same US vassals, only in profile.
  27. PValery53
    PValery53 29 June 2016 08: 21
    0
    Of the remaining "heroic" European Sonderkommando "Merkel, Hollande and Renzi," the latter (Matio Renzi), with his progressive approach, clearly outperforms the remaining odious leaders. But ... he (his country) lacks economic weight for strong influence.
    1. Beefeater
      Beefeater 29 June 2016 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: PValery53
      Of the remaining "heroic" European Sonderkommando "Merkel, Hollande and Renzi," the latter (Matio Renzi), with his progressive approach, clearly outperforms the remaining odious leaders. But ... he (his country) lacks economic weight for strong influence.

      Only Italy itself is in line for economic assistance, followed by Greece and Spain.
  28. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 29 June 2016 08: 28
    +2
    Merkel spoke in favor of extending sanctions against Russia. Https: //lenta.ru/news/2016/06/29/merkel/
    Like, Russians rejoice early. Nothing has changed with the release of Britain. An old galosh in his repertoire.
  29. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 29 June 2016 08: 32
    +1
    "The Polish state TV channel TVP, which is quoted by BFM.ru, notes that the project proposed by Berlin and Paris envisages the creation of" a single European state dependent on the strongest players in the EU today. "

    I am sure that Poland will not be at all delighted that it was not included in the composition of the "superbison-founders" of the new superstate, thereby lowering it to the level of any Baltic-Bulgarian-Romanian. Now in the Polish press a wave of guano will rise!
  30. Beefeater
    Beefeater 29 June 2016 08: 54
    0
    In Prague, General Vlasov announced the Prague manifesto. On the same topic
    , namely, how not to let Russia into Europe, there must be, how many historical parallels.
    In my opinion, everything is in order to prevent further collapse of the fourth Reich
  31. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 29 June 2016 09: 16
    0
    The UK, which advocated sanctions against Russia, will no longer play any role in EU politics. Probably, the new alignment may become the cause, if not cancellation, then easing of sanctions against Moscow.

    Unlikely. There is still no way out, and it is unlikely to take place. It's all in the fog
    like the country itself. An even more unlikely option is a mitigation of sanctions. Gauleiter
    Merkel is firmly in the position of defending Europe from impudent Russia, encroaching
    on the "territorial integrity of another country." This is only allowed by NATO, and the rest - on the mow, take a bite. So, everything remains the same.
  32. atamankko
    atamankko 29 June 2016 09: 41
    +1
    For the first roles of the state already exist,
    and the rest mongers do not need anyone
    and they won’t ask for their opinions.
  33. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 29 June 2016 10: 06
    0
    Rather than making new friends, it is better to make friends with old enemies. After all, time-tested people. laughing
  34. guzik007
    guzik007 29 June 2016 10: 32
    0
    Napoleon sculpted, sculpted, did not blind
    Hitler sculpted, sculpted, did not blind
    For some reason, the old German sausage imagined that she would succeed.
    1. Foresterer
      Foresterer 29 June 2016 22: 31
      0
      It seems to me that professors from the Serbian Institute are looking more and more with interest at Frau Merkel. Here is a whole complex of phobias and mania against the background of incipient senility.
  35. JonnyT
    JonnyT 29 June 2016 12: 45
    0
    logical - the smell of fried and losses immediately ran away. Now they will start pouring water on gas and indulging in matches ... we are now waiting for the US to leave NATO
  36. masiya
    masiya 29 June 2016 12: 55
    0
    No radical changes will happen, this wave will subside with world-wide bolts, and everything will remain so, as long as all sides do not drive themselves into a corner ...
  37. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 29 June 2016 13: 09
    0
    Politicians in Germany, France, and Italy at the same time started talking about a "European superstate", which should replace the EU.

    Shaw, again ?! ©
    It was already: Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!
  38. iliya87
    iliya87 29 June 2016 13: 31
    0
    Who is next?... )
  39. antifa
    antifa 29 June 2016 13: 38
    0
    "The states that agree to participate in the new union will lose the right to their army, special services, criminal codes, tax system, their own currency and central banks capable of" really protecting the financial interests of the nation state. " THIS IS TIN. And the United States will rule this "formation". I am amazed at the venality of European politicians - at least they asked their people if they want to be enslaved. COLONY, NOT EUROPE
  40. puffnutiy
    puffnutiy 29 June 2016 15: 48
    0
    If everything is as it is written it is probably even good. I believe in the neighbors you need to have a strong country with an independent opinion and armed forces. And so there the ears of the United States and NATO stick out from everywhere. If after that the United States bases are thrown out of Europe and NATO is dissolved to create their armed forces without Britain and the United States, I will applaud them standing. There should be a mutually beneficial partnership with Europe without frivolities and everything will be fine. Some of the main haters of Russia are about to leave the European Union.
    I alone do not believe that some countries like Poland and France will be able to give up sovereignty, the army and the ability to pursue their own policies.
  41. SlavaP
    SlavaP 1 July 2016 23: 35
    0
    Yes, a new (Anglo-Saxon) union is clearly displayed: America + Britain + Canada for starters, then Australia and N Zealand, then Ireland + Malta + Cyprus (whose citizens living in Britain had the RIGHT to vote in a referendum). Although, we must pay tribute, this whole circus was performed masterfully - on Friday 24 the morning panic was terrible here!