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On the visit of Vladimir Putin to China, or the difficult partnership for broad smiles

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The visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to China has ended, which allows us to sum up certain results. A visit taking into account the already numerous meetings of the Russian and Chinese leaders can be called special, if only because against the background of attempts to increase economic and cultural interaction between the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China in the crisis, the first call of the collapse of the European Union rang. The results of the referendum in the UK, finally voiced and confirmed during Vladimir Putin’s visit to Asian partners, became a kind of confirmation of the numerous ideas that a united Europe is “not a long-term resident”.


The official reason for the visit of the Russian leader to China was the 15 anniversary of the signing by Moscow and Beijing of an agreement on good-neighborliness, friendship and cooperation, and the 20 anniversary of the signing of an agreement on the establishment of a strategic partnership between the two countries.

On the visit of Vladimir Putin to China, or the difficult partnership for broad smiles


Information Agency Xinhua publishes a statement by the director of the Center for International Energy Strategy at the Institute of International Studies of China Shi Tse:
The fact of the development of our relations in recent years proves that these two strategic decisions, namely, the signing of an agreement on good-neighborliness, friendship and cooperation between the PRC and the Russian Federation and the establishment of Chinese-Russian relations of strategic interaction and partnership, are in the fundamental interests of the two countries and their peoples. and also keep up with the times. The process of developing relations in recent years also demonstrates that both countries have developed a mature model of cooperation, which has stood the test of practice.


Against the background of the same “Brekzit”, the statement about the “mature model of cooperation” is like a transparent allusion to the fact that in other regions of the world, where the external partner is trying to rule, the relationship is far from maturity. Although what kind of maturity of relations in the European Union can we talk about, if the EU has finally rolled down to the generation of hundreds of all sorts of directives and regulations that effectively deprive the countries of real sovereignty in the unification of the country? There was no real equality at all. Loans, quotas, overdue loans, new quotas, loans for the repayment of overdue loans, the next quota is a chain that actually reflects the essence of economic contacts within the European Union. As far as such a system, even if Western propaganda itself tried to set it up as ideal, turned out to be “viable,” the very results of the British referendum showed.

Against this background, attention to cooperation within the international organizations in which the Russian Federation is composed is particularly great. This, for example, is about BRICS and the SCO, of which China is also a member. Taking into account the most serious crisis facing the EU, there are no special reasons to declare the complete absence of problems for these organizations. There are certainly more than enough problems, but one cannot but admit that the relations here are different. To torpedo each other with quotas and demands, no one allows himself for the simple reason that all parties at least try to take into account each other's interests. Not always, it is true, with the same China it turns out, but no one said that the PRC is an “easy partner.”

So, what kind of economic picture appeared before the start of Vladimir Putin’s visit to Beijing? After a rather long period of decline in commodity turnover between the two countries, the bilateral trade bar began to move upwards. According to the PRC leader Xi Jinping, the volume of trade between Russia and China for the period from January to May of this year increased in comparison with the previous period by 2,7%, reaching the value of 25,8 billion dollars. By the end of the year is expected to reach the level of turnover in 65 billion dollars. Although China remains the trade leader for the Russian economy, these figures look quite low in relation to at least 2013, when it was predicted to overcome the psychological level of $ 100 billion. However, we must not forget that many mutual transactions are now carried out through the use of national currencies. And if the dollar equivalent due to the fall in the ruble exchange rate itself fell by a third, then the fall in the volume of direct trade and money supply in national currencies for transactions was not so steep.

What steps are determined for the growth of turnover? One of the industries - the development of mutual tourism. Last year, it was the Chinese who became the foreign people who won first place in the number of tourists in the Russian Federation. Mutual "tourist turnover" approached 2,5 million people. Next year it is planned to bring this number to 3 million. For this, a whole list of joint cultural programs and recreational projects has been created.

Another important industry is agriculture. By According to the President of Russia, in comparison with the previous period of supply of Russian agricultural products to China increased by 30%. China in this regard is a true supermarket of agricultural products, and is ready to increase the import of such goods produced in Russia. This is primarily about cereals. Several agreements on cooperation in the field of agriculture were signed, providing for Russian companies to enter the Chinese market to sell agricultural products. In turn, China will begin implementing an agreement on the supply of agricultural equipment in the Russian Federation.

Of course, energy was not left without attention either. The close cooperation of Russia and China on the creation of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, the launch of which is scheduled for 2020, continues. At the same time, China has achieved increased participation in the Yamal LNG project. This is the largest project in the Russian Federation for the production of liquefied gas. Chinese companies supply the necessary equipment for the project. So, in April of this year, the 2 module for the production of LNG from 36, which will be built in the PRC, was sent to Russia from the Chinese port of Qingdao to Russia. It should be recalled that China at one time claimed for more than 20% stake in the Yamal LNG project. Under the pressure of the Chinese partners, which, as already noted, far from easy to negotiate, it was decided to increase the “Chinese package” to almost 30%. 50,1% of the project shares is concentrated in NOVATEK, 20% in the French Total, 20% in the Chinese CNPC. Another 9,9% is now owned by the Chinese Foundation "Silk Road". For this, Russia turned out to "bargain" for itself participation in the project for the construction of the Tianjin oil refinery.

Understanding that the partnership between Russia and China in the energy sector could nullify all the energy sanctions imposed by the EU on the Russian Federation and finally finish off the crumbling European Union, Europe began to wag its tail. For example, Poland, without officially declaring support for the construction of Nord Stream-2, is submitting an application to purchase gas in annual volumes of 11 billion cubic meters from Germany after 2023 of the year. Given the fact that Germany with the current market situation simply does not have the opportunity to sell Russian gas in the volumes requested by Poland, the Polish application on behalf of Gaz System was the actual support (albeit veiled) for the construction of Nord Stream-2.

That is, the pragmatics of Russia in cooperation with partners (perhaps, somewhere and there are questions) today leads to the fact that it is such an economic policy that acts as a serious lever of influence of Moscow.

After the talks between the two heads of state, Moscow and Beijing signed more than 30 cooperation agreements not only in the areas mentioned, but also in the areas of innovation, technology, finance, the media, the Internet and sports. The total volume of mutual investments in the tens of billions of rubles and yuan. And each time the parties literally linked their participation in joint projects. However, the truly labor results of the negotiations led to the fact that the interests of the partners were eventually taken into account by both parties, and the glasses of champagne were not drunk.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 June 2016 06: 01
    +11
    Yes, and who said it would be easy. Everyone has their own interests.
    1. The black
      The black 28 June 2016 06: 03
      +6
      A difficult visit. It seems that the level of confrontation with the United States in Syria is so high that it needs real support from China to protect the legitimate leadership of Syria.
      1. drunkram
        drunkram 28 June 2016 08: 29
        +5
        I will tell you a secret, there are no easy negotiations. Always and in everything you need to find a compromise, because the interlocutor will push you in his direction, and you will turn him in your own, and we have something to talk about with China.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 28 June 2016 11: 39
        +3
        Quote: Black
        China's real support is needed to protect the legitimate leadership of Syria.



        China will not climb into the Syrian confrontation ...

        But to support in some areas of the geopolitical battle of Russia - maybe ... If desired ...
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 29 June 2016 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: weksha50
          China will not climb into the Syrian confrontation ...

          I heard that between the PRC and the Russian Federation there is a formal separation of spheres of influence: we have the Middle East, and China - Africa. Of course, these regions may overlap, but for the most part it works, which reduces the degree between countries.
          Quote: weksha50
          But to support in some areas of the geopolitical battle of Russia - maybe ... If desired ...

          Any support costs money. And China will not make exceptions for us in this regard. Another thing is that the "system of discounts and bonuses" can work for us.
          It's like in the market: the main thing is not to click the muzzle.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 29 June 2016 20: 24
            0
            Quote: silver_roman
            between the PRC and the Russian Federation there is a formal separation of spheres of influence: the Middle East is behind us, and the PRC is Africa.


            It may well be ... No wonder the information flashes that China is going to lay about 10 of its bases, including the MTO bases of its fleet ...
    2. oblako
      oblako 28 June 2016 08: 13
      +6
      And there is a difference when the owner "negotiates" with a vassal and when negotiations are conducted by equal partners, each with his own spectrum of interests. Negotiations are, of course, more difficult - this is the norm to which we also need to get used to ... We also had vassals, what really ...))
      1. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 28 June 2016 08: 54
        +3
        And there is a difference when the owner "negotiates" with a vassal and when negotiations are conducted by equal partners, each with its own spectrum of interests
        Today they showed Pyotr Alekseevich in Brussels, so the human master would not let him go further, canceled the press conference. True, someone took off on a cell phone, in the corridor, his bleating about visa-free travel and give me a penny. These are the "negotiations", as they say - feel the difference.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 June 2016 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Yes, and who said it would be easy. Everyone has their own interests.

      in the murky waters of modern history, everyone catches his fish ...
  2. PKK
    PKK 28 June 2016 06: 09
    +3
    There was something to discuss between the heads of the two states. The colossal changes in the World generated a lot of things, here Europe, where a new united state and Syria appear and ... a lot of things. And most importantly, Russia, China and their partners are winning in everything. Successes to the Presidents of both Russia and China.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 28 June 2016 16: 24
      0
      PKK

      In essence, of course, a dialogue must be maintained. But here there are contradictions. The problem is the economic system. The system is aimed not at an equivalent exchange of goods which can be agreed upon, but at the enrichment of one of the parties in the exchange of goods. What is extremely difficult to agree on, or to make losses, concessions to the most interested party.
      It is clear that Russia will incur losses. Since the enemy is so far at her gate. China is also not very calm, but there are more opportunities on its side.
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts 28 June 2016 06: 24
    +4
    The visit is really difficult, even a landmark one. Especially against the backdrop of growing confrontation between the United States and China in the South China Sea.
    The red dragon stands on the wing and needs help.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 28 June 2016 07: 19
      +11
      Quote: ImPerts
      The red dragon stands on the wing and needs help

      As if later this help didn’t come to us sideways .... sad
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 07: 34
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        As if later this help didn’t come to us sideways ....

        Igor, I’m waiting for the Chinese to capture me. I warn you, my patience does not last forever, I'm already tired of waiting.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 28 June 2016 11: 41
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I warn you, my patience does not last forever, I'm already tired of waiting.

          So surrender yourself, the border is near! laughing
          Hi Sanya! According to the inhabitants of the Far East, Chinese expansion has been felt for a long time. But you continue to repeat that everything is calm in Baghdad. Do you have a business with the Chinese? wink
    2. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 10: 02
      +17
      It has long been up. This is us - fell:

      In 1990, China's GDP was six times lower than that of the Soviet Union. Now it is difficult to imagine, but it is so. It's true. In "prosperous" 2008, China's GDP exceeded Russia's GDP by three and a half times.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 28 June 2016 11: 53
        +2
        V 2015-v 7-8 raz ... S ucetom oficialnoj statistiki KNR, kotoraja tradicionno zanizena .....
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 11: 44
      0
      Pomosch nuzna oboim stranam, vzaimnaja! V kratcajschie sroki, vremeni na raskacku malo ...
    4. silver_roman
      silver_roman 29 June 2016 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: ImPerts
      Especially against the backdrop of growing confrontation between the United States and China in the South China Sea.

      It is worth playing on the contradictions, I benefit from this process.
      The Chinese take advantage of the vulnerability of the Russian Federation in the west, pushing the price of their cooperation.
  4. ps-1972
    ps-1972 28 June 2016 06: 27
    +7
    Most likely: "You tell us this, we give you this."
    Normal diplomatic trade)
  5. siberalt
    siberalt 28 June 2016 06: 28
    +35
    For what the glasses of champagne were raised, we do not know. But, China is not a partner who is a friend. He was a friend under Stalin, when the USSR liberated him from the Japanese, armed him and poured into the economy, education and science free of charge. But this was all before Khrushchev's exposure of Stalin's personality cult was known. Then we became "traitors and revisionists". If anyone remembers what kind of propaganda against the USSR was launched by China, which almost ended in war. It was then that China came under the wing of the United States and made an excellent deal for itself using its cheap labor and Western technologies. At the same time, he did not hesitate to make money on the ruins of the USSR. Or can someone give an example when China provided us with real assistance? The author correctly noted the priority factor of the pragmatism of the Chinese economic policy. In our opinion, he will strangle himself for a penny with a wide friendly smile on his face. From that and the extreme "viscosity" of agreements. And we need to learn and learn to trade. In this, China has already surpassed America.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 28 June 2016 07: 25
      +3
      Quote: siberalt
      For what glasses of champagne were raised we do not know

      For Rosneft, I suppose ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 07: 34
        +1
        Quote: sa-ag
        For Rosneft, I suppose ...

        Gazprom + Rosneft = Saag.
      2. tolian
        tolian 28 June 2016 08: 48
        0
        I think that there should be no war.
    2. tolian
      tolian 28 June 2016 08: 47
      -1
      Showed how much you know? Or do you think others need your lecture? Why la la? Better teach trading with China. You probably know that.
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 28 June 2016 11: 38
        +11
        learn from I.V. Stalin:

        1. Export to China of high-tech products WITHOUT transfer of licenses
        2. a categorical ban on the import of Chinese workers into the Russian Federation
        3. The ban on the provision of agricultural land to the Chinese
        4. The ban on the export to China of the latest military equipment (times have changed, today it is dangerous for Russia itself)
        5. The ban on export from the Russian Federation of round wood and lumber - only finished wood products (furniture, prefabricated houses, etc.)
    3. Tsoy
      Tsoy 28 June 2016 09: 44
      -1
      Quote: siberalt
      For which we raised glasses of champagne, we do not know.


      Iceland won England on the Euro in France. They wished the victory of the island over all of Europe because of the offense for their own.
    4. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 11: 57
      0
      Cto plohogo v iskusstve torgovli, pragmatike ??? Daze v bytu ocen cennye veschi ...
    5. Hayer 31
      Hayer 31 28 June 2016 12: 54
      +5
      It’s not necessary to forget that at the far end there is a full expansion of the Chinese. Everywhere there are already mixed marriages, this is a time bomb of the city. Over the Urals, 30 million are Rassiyan, and China is 1,5 billion, and already under the new law, Chinese seed can have 2 children, the question is where to attach them later?
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    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 28 June 2016 07: 31
      +3
      chimchi from Koreans, you are our gourmet racist ...
  7. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 June 2016 06: 39
    +2
    Kefir and cucumber in Europe alone is not a tenant?
  8. Samy
    Samy 28 June 2016 06: 39
    +11
    Quote: uruss
    Chimchigryzy
    - these are Koreans, corporal. For you from Moscow-Saratov, everything is the same, of course, but in reality it is a big difference. With China, everything is not so simple, but even in the Chinese leadership there are no fools. They just go their own way, unlike us, shy from wall to wall.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 12: 27
      0
      Rossiju mozet ugrobit tolko nacionalnyj vopros ... Moe mnenie ... Po-hodu, obrusevschih korejcev na DV eti s Moskvy-Saratova za kitajcev i prinimajut .... Korejcev-grazdan RF ze na DV bolsche priezzih kitajcev
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 28 June 2016 12: 51
        +2
        Ethnic Koreans (kore-saram) are most common in Uzbekistan. More than in the Russian Federation. 184 thousand against 154. 2010-2013 data of the year. How come you ask? The fact is that the Far Eastern Koreans who still lived in the Russian Empire from 1860, were deported to the countries of Central Asia in 1937 by Comrade Stalin. Everyone knows about the Crimean Tatars, but they forgot about the Koreans somehow. They say they were deported because they were afraid of Japanese spies. There are also Korean diasporas in the rest of the CIS countries. Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan. The ancestors of the immigrants from the Korean Peninsula were from the northern regions. Sakhalin Koreans, on the contrary, originate from the Yuzhakov.
  9. saper2463
    saper2463 28 June 2016 06: 56
    +12
    The attitude towards China, I think, should be built in the form of "restrained optimism." Conduct a dialogue with them, the way they do, always with a smile and promises of the broadest opportunities and prospects for mutually beneficial cooperation. But in fact, never forget about the spirit of Chinese diplomacy and rivalry for influence, which Sun Tzu described so well ... Compliance, but cunning, in places turning into open deception ...
  10. kirgudu
    kirgudu 28 June 2016 06: 58
    +5
    I think here China acts as a big brother. He will always do what is beneficial to him.

    And if you recall the Far East and how the Chinese behave there and what they are doing, it’s not at all fun.

    Well and shame, of course, the supply of agricultural equipment. Some 30 years ago, we ourselves supplied them. I recall the 90s when they delivered Malaysia MIGi-29th in exchange for palm oil.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 12: 29
      0
      Tak kto vinovat v postavkah selhoztehniki iz Kitaja ?????? Do togo-iz Evropy ????
  11. Sasha75
    Sasha75 28 June 2016 07: 01
    +23
    What should they talk with us, we are the first in the world only by theft they build factories, we plunder any enterprise, take a thief director, what is wrong if not a thief then. In general, the mood fell when I watched a documentary about 350 km per hour about Chinese railways and managed to do it in 10 years, and we stuffed a little egg in the states.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 07: 39
      -6
      Quote: Sasha75
      we are the first in the world only in theft

      What is the truth?
      Quote: Sasha75
      they build factories we plunder any enterprise

      Fuck
      Quote: Sasha75
      take a thief director, what’s wrong if not a thief then

      Are you from any country? Or it’s enough for you, a few cases, to smudge it across the whole picture.
      Quote: Sasha75
      and we stuffed a little egg in the states.

      What is the bottle of China in the states? More than a trillion dollars, huh? This is garbage, now Russia has as much as 80 billion.
      Quote: Sasha75
      . In general, my mood fell when I watched a documentary about 350 km per hour about Chinese railways and managed to do it in 10 years

      So we can, give pension to pensioners canceled, as in China and with this money we will build a railway. Do you agree?
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    2. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 09: 48
      +9
      Yes, because they have SOCIALISM (according to the precepts of I.V. Stalin - with the private sector), and we have capitalism!

      And not one bastard of our politicians - Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Mironov, not to mention Putin, Medvedev and their ПЖиВ does not stutter that it is necessary to restore the socialist system and power of the Soviets in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to nationalize the extraction of raw materials.
      1. kirgudu
        kirgudu 28 June 2016 10: 47
        +10
        Because everyone is satisfied with the current state of affairs. Rob, steal according to the law - here it is happiness.
        1. Joe stalin
          Joe stalin 28 June 2016 10: 54
          +8
          all but ordinary working people
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 28 June 2016 12: 34
        0
        Esli vosstanovit cocializm, budet krestovyj pohod, ekonomiceskij, dlja nacala ....
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 28 June 2016 13: 59
        +1
        Socialism in the USSR began to be dismantled in the early 80s. To think that you can return to him by the whistle is cretinism. The next 50 years in the Russian Federation will be capitalism - this is a fact. What will happen in 50 years, we don’t know what the world will be like then. Maybe socialism will become popular again. request Talking about socialism now is cheap populism. A broken vase cannot be restored to the way it was. This is reality. You can dream about socialism as much as you like and remember the bright moments of a past life - I can only sympathize. Indeed, sincerely sympathize. But I’m not going to get involved in nostalgia myself. The world doesn't give a shit what we like. But it is necessary to live and develop in it. Capitalism is now in ALL COUNTRIES. In China itself, there is no socialism — there is one of the varieties of capitalism, no more. So, capitalism is prepared for us, the only question is which of its varieties. The promoted GDP of state capitalism relatively suits me. Opportunities to build something more convenient for residents and the country, I personally do not see. Dreaming and chatting about communism in these conditions is a form of masturbation. Only some savory girls imagine, and others an ideal society. The result is the same. request
        1. Joe stalin
          Joe stalin 28 June 2016 14: 43
          +5
          "Maybe socialism will become popular again."

          Joker you however! Already today, at least 70% of the population of the Russian Federation, including those born after 1991, DREAM DREAMS to return the socialist system!
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 17: 23
        -2
        Quote: Joe Stalin
        that it is necessary to restore the socialist system and power of the Soviets in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to nationalize the extraction of raw materials.

        Venezuela was nationalized, now there are hunger riots. You are 40 years old and laugh with you, to say the least fool
        1. Joe stalin
          Joe stalin 29 June 2016 00: 11
          0
          and in the PRC they didn’t refuse socialism — and are growing by leaps and bounds!
        2. R-22
          R-22 29 June 2016 00: 52
          -1
          Ears straighten the troll you're ridiculous
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 12: 32
      +1
      A esli ese posmotret pro kitajskie avtodorogi, aeroporty, morskie porty, verfi ....
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 28 June 2016 12: 56
        +1
        Was at the Beijing airport. We were pleased with the free lighters, which give in return given at customs.
    4. alexey water
      alexey water 28 June 2016 17: 51
      0
      Ravings of a madman! Actually, according to the rating of the Western agency Transparency International, which is not a fact that objectively evaluates data, our country takes 119 out of 167 places.
      Sasha75 answer for yourself, for others it is not necessary - "take the director a thief." Or rather, they don't judge others by themselves.
      We have a problem. But life in China is not sugar, and in some respects it is much worse than ours. For example, social, freedom of speech, ecology ...
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 29 June 2016 06: 24
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Vodyanoy
        social sphere, freedom of speech, ecology ...


        At least someone does not see the myth in China. They have such freedom of speech that if there were such things in Russia, we would have already been called the second North Korea. Mass propaganda on TV and cinema, censorship on the Internet, using services only with a scanned passport, and so on. Ecology is a separate story altogether. China's economic miracle came about only thanks to the full-fledged pollution of the entire country. Even the so-called "cancer" villages have appeared. Settlements near especially dangerous industries in which there is a general epidemic of oncology. With regards to the standard of living. On TV, you see cities with skyscrapers. But drive away from the same Dalian for a couple of hundred kilometers. and the village is the village.
        The quality of the products is also mildly bad. Recently there was a scandal with infant formulas that contained toxic substances. Russian products are now highly valued there, but their prices are high.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 28 June 2016 07: 15
    +2
    It is good that so many agreements have been signed, cooperation is developing, but .. with China, you need to be very careful ....
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 June 2016 07: 39
    +2
    Quote: Samy
    Chimchigryzy
    - these are KoreansCorporal. For you from Moscow-Saratov, everything is the same, of course, but in reality it is a big difference. With China, everything is not so simple, but even in the Chinese leadership there are no fools

    I fully support you. I was also going to write about "chimchigryz" (I found an insulting comparison uruss and still not at the address). Naturally, China will not miss its benefits, but ours have recently learned to speak with it not only in diplomatic language, but also in the language of commerce.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 12: 37
      0
      Vygody ne upusti kazdyj, zdes strocaschij ....
  14. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 28 June 2016 07: 52
    +1
    Believing in friendship with China is naive.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 June 2016 08: 03
      +1
      Quote: Valery Valery
      Believing in friendship with China is naive.

      Look for enemies! Good luck
      1. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery 28 June 2016 10: 29
        +8
        I’m not looking for enemies, I can’t find friends !!! After the announcement of sanctions by the West, China did not even give us one yuan on credit ....
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 28 June 2016 12: 44
          -2
          Licno vam ne dal ???? Socuvstvuju! Inye placut-kitajskie kredity i investicii ploho, ibo zavisimost! Tak ce delat-to ???? Ce ploho, kogda dajut, ili ne dajut ???
        2. Tsoy
          Tsoy 28 June 2016 13: 06
          +1
          gave All but ExIm Bank and China Development Bank were not allowed - analogues of VEB and VTB. Although there are problems.

          The main problems of the joint business of Russians and Chinese: the lack of understanding of the Chinese mentality and the desire of the Chinese side to control the business, which is why a significant number of transactions did not take place in 2015.

          In 2015, China invested $ 794 million in the Russian economy, which is only 0,7% of the total investment abroad ($ 116 billion).

          Also, in January — September, 2015, the supply of liquefied natural gas decreased significantly: by 51,3% in absolute terms, and by 71,5% in monetary terms.

          The overall decline in trade turnover with China in 2015 could be up to 30%.

          http://m.rosbalt.ru/world/2016/02/08/1487611.html

          Or here's the failure with AliExpress.

          A separate section was created in AliExpress, where clothes, shoes and accessories of Russian companies were presented, buyers made an 24 order and put off the 552 product in My Desires. At the same time, more than 130 thousands of people visited the section.

          466 Russian companies were invited to participate. Of these, 369 refused, citing lack of interest in online retail and retail sales. About a hundred of brands that agreed to participate faced problems with the work of AliExpress.
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 28 June 2016 12: 40
        0
        Indusov mnogo! Toze nado s nimi uschki na makuschki ....
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 12: 39
      0
      Gosudarstva ne druzat, oni-sotrudnicajut s vygodoj ... vzaimnoj .... Druzat malciki s devockami ...
      1. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery 28 June 2016 17: 36
        0
        The peoples are friends and come to the aid in difficult times.
  15. 1536
    1536 28 June 2016 07: 56
    +7
    It’s good that there are Chinese. I just don’t understand, they are really grateful to us that we helped them in the 40-50 years of the last century and consider us friends? Or do they have an interest in us as a lemon that still hangs on a branch but asks for tea? When we answer these questions, then the turnover will increase by itself.
    My generation, as a childhood memory, remembers Damansky and the faces of our border guards, enlarged by the lens of a KVN television (there was such a brand of TVs, not a game).
    1. kirgudu
      kirgudu 28 June 2016 10: 07
      +8
      China looks at the Russian Federation, like a boa constrictor on a rabbit.
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 28 June 2016 10: 20
        +8
        "After the Second Opium War, the Russian Empire, taking advantage of the capture of China by the army of Great Britain and France, occupied Chinese territories by force of arms, vilely appropriated the lands of north-east and north-west of China with an area of ​​more than 1,5 million square kilometers" - this is an excerpt from the Chinese a history textbook for the eighth grade from the item titled “The Thieves Behavior of Russia”, it also marks “Chinese Northern Territories”, including the Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories of the Russian Far East, which Russia stole from China.

        Such an educational policy of the PRC should be most seriously taken into account by the leadership of the Russian Federation in relations with the PRC, which has not yet been observed.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 28 June 2016 13: 51
          +1
          But what, is it not written in ucebnik? The empire did not exist in the intervention of the great daring in China ???
  16. Million
    Million 28 June 2016 08: 02
    +5
    Quickly glancing at the headline, I read Ridiculous partnership instead of Rough
  17. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 28 June 2016 08: 33
    +1
    .. "However, we must not forget that many mutual transactions are now carried out through the use of national currencies."
    Yeah. 10% if I'm not mistaken. 2% in rubles and 8% in yuan. recourse
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 13: 57
      0
      A river with a rutseyka natsinatsya ...
  18. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 28 June 2016 08: 34
    +10
    Look at the structure of the balance of Exports - Imports of both countries - all questions will disappear by themselves: FOOLS ARE ON THIS SIDE OF AMUR !? As the natives were sivolapy, distributing gold for glass, they remained - DDD (fools, roads, money - the first one is like manure at the bathhouse, the other two are not ?!). "And, you, friends, how do you not sit down, all are not suitable for musicians" !? This is me about our Government, of course! And the Chinese are great fellows, they milk Russia like a cash cow, and they also demand meat! Maybe when the communists come to power and in the government, things will begin to get better with the Chinese, but for now ???
  19. Beefeater
    Beefeater 28 June 2016 08: 52
    +8
    China is certainly a difficult partner. We treated them for a long time as brothers younger in reason, half-colonies, satellites, but the last 20-30 years of development have shown that China is by no means the younger Brother and not white and fluffy but a serious side in the negotiations, with its traditions and characteristics. So you have to relate to them. As a state with which we have common interests on the world stage and cooperation with which holds enormous benefits. But as they say tobacco apart.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 28 June 2016 09: 49
      +3
      Quote: Beefeater
      serious side in the negotiations


      Yeah, their side does not climb anywhere, and calmly rob the corpse of the enemy, well, or a friend ... how to turn. In most of the recent major events, China has taken a neutral position, or trying not to enter into confrontation with other countries.
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  21. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 28 June 2016 09: 03
    +5
    Nikita Mikhalkov on a possible Chinese attack on Russia. About the mess that is going on in Siberia and the Far East. In fact, we are already a colony of China ...
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 09: 08
      -1
      Predictions of Wolf Messing, who was NOT MISTAKED in his predictions:

      He spoke mainly about the fate of the three countries. So, he prophesied the USA ousting from the place of a superpower, losing the influence of this country on world politics and economy. He said that the invisible aggressor would move the United States from this place, a country that no one takes seriously, which acts secretly with the wrong hands. Perhaps it was meant that China would take over world leadership by displacing the United States from this place.
      The decline of the USA, as Wolf Messing predicted, will begin with the collapse of the country's economy, with the crisis in the sphere of monetary relations.
      Japan and Taiwan, the psychic foreshadowed a powerful strike, in the likeness of a nuclear strike, which will lead to huge destructive consequences, at the same time, Russia will have to cede part of its territories to China.
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 28 June 2016 09: 35
      +3
      Nikita Mikhalkov on a possible Chinese attack on Russia

      It was he who retold the script of the film, which he was asked to shoot. He naturally refused. Therefore, this is not Mikhalkov about a possible attack, but the authors of the script with a liberal color.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 02
        +1
        The man looked and the film and did not understand anything, what Mikhalkov wanted to say.
      2. Coffin Cross1
        Coffin Cross1 28 June 2016 14: 15
        +3
        Dear rotmistr60. In the second half of the program, Mikhalkov just shows that if everything goes as it is in the Far East and Siberia, the plot of the film can become a reality. This is the main idea of ​​Mikhalkov. Listen to the wise grandfather from Altai.
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 00
      0
      While all esche colony UCA and Europe ....
  22. Svoy_tovarish
    Svoy_tovarish 28 June 2016 09: 05
    +8
    Commodity exchange reached $ 25 billion). In my opinion this is a ridiculous figure. And his fall miraculously coincided with the Crimean spring and sanctions against us. By the way, we have not heard a single statement in our support from China. I also remember the announced campaign of Chinese ships to help our Mediterranean grouping, at the time of the most tense situation. But it turned out that, in fact, a delegation from the USA was met at the Chinese destroyer. And in general, we supply them with resources, but they are all for us to obtain and process these resources. Some kind of unequal cooperation. They do not look at us as partners. And they are not allies.
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 09: 16
      +2
      the question is in the structure of turnover
    2. Tsoy
      Tsoy 28 June 2016 09: 52
      +6
      Support? Chinese banks have essentially secretly joined the sanctions, refusing to lend to Russian companies. Only two state-owned banks continued to operate as usual. The rest were afraid to get on the US State Department.
  23. Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 28 June 2016 09: 58
    +5
    The industrial giant China from Russia needs only two things:

    1. the advanced military equipment and technologies that it is testing in Siberia and the Far East, as evidenced by Chinese military exercises at low temperatures (are you going to attack in Vietnam?)

    2. Raw materials for Chinese industry - oil, gas, metals, roundwood.

    China will not help Putin develop industry in the Far East - he is not interested in creating a powerful competitor for himself, he is interested in Russia remaining a raw material base for Chinese industry and nothing more.

    China respects only those interests of other countries that do not contradict its own, and if they contradict, grossly ignores them.

    By the way, the law on TOR in the Far East, signed by the Government of the Russian Federation, gives the PRC a legal opportunity to bring to Siberia to the Far East MILLIONS of Chinese workers without any quotas and visas - in fact, the creeping demographic annexation of Siberia and the Far East.

    Extremely dangerous "partner" - until the first weakness in the relationship.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 06
      -2
      If Russia will collapse, destabilize, deny sovereignty, then the next in focus is China ... China UTB as it understands ....
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 28 June 2016 17: 29
        +1
        in China, and so it is not very stable, and the situation is as dark as in the Russian Federation. Who recently was in China knows what kind of censorship is there now. Disable Google services on the anniversary of events on Tianananmen Square, remove video in social. networks qq (chinese facebook), propaganda pumping on tv and in movies. Not to mention their great firewall and control over access to the Internet on the passport. The terrorist threat in Uygur Autonomous Region, the recent attacks on police stations and the seizure of mines. In general, there is a lot that happens only in the media about it not talking.

        Do not forget about the activities of such an office-sect-non-governmental organization like Fallun Gong. It seems like they teach a special kind of charging qigong, but the joke is banned in the Russian Federation, and in China they are subjected to mass repression and have become the objects of horror stories about organ transplants and so on. In essence, thanks to the teachings of their creator, members of the movement are conducting anti-government activities in China. Funded from the United States, and some active members are invited to the abode of democracy for training. In Russia, too, there are their branches.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 28 June 2016 21: 21
          +1
          Google will be rejected from * partnering * stuffing .... In Russia there would be such * instability * ... as in China ...
  24. Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 28 June 2016 10: 28
    +7
    What kind of "cooperation" can a raw material colony talk about with an industrial metropolis ?!

    The main product groups of Russian exports to China in 2015 were characterized by the following indicators:

    “Mineral fuel, oil and oil products” (heading 27) amounted to 60,7% of the total value of exports. In physical terms, a decrease of 0,2% to 65,60 million tons was noted, in value - by 32,2% to $ 20,19 billion.

    Crude oil supplies increased by 28,2% to 42,43 million tons, while the cost decreased by 31,1% to $ 17,23 billion.

    Export of fuels and lubricants and fuels, incl. coal, diesel fuel, liquefied gas (commodity group 27 excluding crude oil) amounted to 23,17 million tons (-28,2%). Cost indicators decreased by 37,9% to $ 2,96 billion.

    Electricity supply in 2015 amounted to 3411,46 million kWh (-9,9%) in the amount of $ 134,92 million (+ 2,1%).

    The second position in Russian exports to China with a share of 9,39% is “wood and wood products” (commodity group 44). In 2015, deliveries for this group in value terms increased by 8,0% to $ 3077,57 million, in physical terms - by 12,1% to 16,18 million cubic meters. m

    Round timber accounted for 41,6% (against 49,3% in 2014) of the total volume of timber exports, the cost of supply fell to $ 1280,81 million (-17,0%).

    In third place are “non-ferrous metals” (commodity groups 74-81) with a share of 9,06%. At the cost of supplying this type of product, they increased by 83,3% to $ 3 million, in physical terms the growth was 016,57% (39,2 thousand tons).

    Copper supplies increased in physical volumes by 335,5% to 118,79 thousand tons, in value - by 271,9% to $ 747,73 million.

    Nickel exports grew by 157,4% to 194,56 thousand tons with an increase in value by 77,8% to $ 2280,80 million.

    Deliveries of Russian aluminum in physical volumes decreased by 79,9% to 15,19 thousand tons, in cost - by 69,3% to $ 47,62 million.
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 10: 36
      +1
      The structure of imports from China to the Russian Federation in January - June 2015 is formed by:

      machinery, equipment and vehicles - 53,3% (January-June 2014 - 53,6%);
      textiles, products from it, shoes - 13,1% (13,9%);
      chemical industry products - 10,0% (9,2%);
      metals and products from them - 7,7% (7,2%);
      food products and agricultural raw materials - 4,6% (3,7%);
      leather raw materials, furs and products from them - 1,3% (1,4%);
      wood and pulp and paper products - 1,2% (1,3%).
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 28 June 2016 12: 24
        +2
        it was easier to say that it was not imported from China ... even a completely "Russian" construction tool, the Craton and Interskol, come from China. Yes, even Makita and Bosch are partly Chinese, and it will be lucky if the instrument comes out of an official factory, and a fake does not come. Not to mention such eccentrics with a different letter who sell German car washes and generators, Latvian inverters and factory drills from China. (Hooter, resanta and whirlwind, secretly they are the same office)
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 10
      0
      An example from the history of the UCA from the Britons colony became a trade-in super-burglar !!!! Or did the Americans have to hang 200 years ago when they were a colony ????
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 28 June 2016 15: 20
        +1
        We have NO 200 years
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 28 June 2016 21: 24
          +1
          200 years ago, UkrSA was kilonia, and they became super-bored after 1945, about 30 years ago ...
          1. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 29 June 2016 00: 16
            0
            became a superpower in the US economy at the end of the 19th century, overtaking the Kaiser Reich
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar 29 June 2016 10: 36
              +1
              Until the 40s, Britain was on a horse. When Britain was overthrown in the 2nd World War, and before that, in the 1st World War — the French, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman, and Russian Empires, then essentially the UCA became a REAL (not nominal) super-bite .. ..
  25. Torins
    Torins 28 June 2016 10: 49
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    As if later this help didn’t come to us sideways ....

    Igor, I’m waiting for the Chinese to capture me. I warn you, my patience does not last forever, I'm already tired of waiting.

    What do you think, if China invades Mongolia and Kazakhstan, Russia will be able to oppose it? Will the Russian Federation get involved in a direct confrontation with China?
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 11: 00
      0
      except for nuclear weapons and tactical nuclear weapons Russia will not be able to oppose the PLA nothing
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 14
        +1
        Xiao-TNW is not enough ???
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 13
      0
      And then did not conquer Mongolia ??? They have an army of 10 people ....
  26. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 28 June 2016 11: 07
    +5
    In turn, China will begin to implement an agreement on the supply of agricultural machinery in the Russian Federation.

    Survived. The country has forgotten how to make combines and seeders, as well as many other things,
    down to the lighters. What's next?
    I will vote for the Communists, although I do not trust them much.
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 11: 11
      +2
      Communist Party - the party of the big bourgeoisie, Uncle Zu eats at the Kremlin parties from the same cup with the oligarchs. It is unlikely that besides words he will really return socialism
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 24
        -1
        Zyug is able to return military communism; there will not be enough tyma for more ...
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 23
      +1
      Vote for the Fascists ... Hitler from a devastated Germany in the 30s made an economical giant ... It’s a bad incisal topic, but they did it for 2,5 five-year periods!
  27. weksha50
    weksha50 28 June 2016 11: 37
    +2
    "Moscow and Beijing signed more than 30 cooperation agreements not only in these areas"...

    China is built up as a partner, very complicated ...

    Not so long ago, we at VO were glad that over a hundred such agreements were signed ... However, most of them are still stalling precisely because of the fault (or rather, on the reluctance) of the Chinese side ...

    Not all is so well with the Power of Siberia, the Great Silk Road (GSP) ... However, if we talk about the GSP, then in the coming years the Chinese will build a high-speed highway Moscow-Kazan ... And supply contracts of various grain crops from Russia subscribed to considerable volumes ...

    With energy, all right and wrong ... China strives to take part in various projects on almost equal terms ... That is, subsequently it will not be so difficult for him to achieve a controlling stake ...

    In general, all these agreements on cooperation are not bad, but one should not fall into euphoria and hope that "abroad (in the person of China) will help us" ...

    Each of the countries is trying to solve its priority tasks ... So, as always, you mainly need to hope for yourself, for your strengths ...
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 29
      0
      Western, Japanese, Korean firms entered China on an equal footing (49:51) ... Therefore, the Chinese should go inetz, entering themselves anywhere ???
  28. Holsten
    Holsten 28 June 2016 11: 43
    0
    Who knows, maybe China is also bonfiring Russia for being a difficult negotiator. But the main thing: there is a result.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 30
      0
      On the part of Russian cynus liberals, one hundred pounds is sabotaging the implementation of projects ...
  29. Operator
    Operator 28 June 2016 11: 48
    0
    Accents are incorrectly placed in the article - Russia is not a monopolist in the field of hydrocarbon production, the Gulf countries are the leaders and China plays this role, demanding discounts and a large share in the capital of the mining and transport enterprises of Siberia and the Far East.

    Since Soviet times, our trick is the mechanical engineering, which we supplied to China in the 1950's with entire factories. Now we need to renew this tradition. Plus, a new topic is food: the farther, the more China's agriculture, due to climate warming and droughts, will depend on the export of Russian grain, meat and milk.

    Well, it doesn’t hurt to widen the gap in the level of Russian technologies in the production of jet engines, aircraft, radars, anti-aircraft missiles, armored vehicles, so that China would be forced to buy the latest weapons only in Russia, without the sale of technology, of course.

    The Chinese themselves with their mentality are not able to develop innovations, primarily in the field of technology, and if they are not, then unlicensed copying is impossible. China has no other sources of technology - the United States and Europe have stopped placing new enterprises in this country, which has become their economic competitor.

    With the help of China, Russia has a chance to get off the oil needle and get away from the raw material component of Russian exports.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 28 June 2016 12: 32
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      Our chip since Soviet times - this is engineering, which we supplied to China in the 1950s with entire factories. Now we need to renew this tradition.


      ?? And how ??? belay

      PS Now in the yard is the 16th year of a completely different century (in contrast to the 1950s) ...
      And what - and most importantly - are necessary for China - plants can we supply ???
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 28 June 2016 13: 11
        +2
        in order to deliver something, you must first produce something
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 49
          +2
          For the production of knot machines (not a sample of the 30-60s), she builds knots of factories, she knows best logistics practices, she builds knots, ships, green roads and highways, etc. Where and for what money is everything taken, but in odnocase ????
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 43
        0
        China has successfully taken a barrier of 5 technological ways (30% of the industry), is actively working on the implementation of 6 technical storage, along with America and Europe ... Those who missed the 6 technical storage train are behind! Tsto Russia proposes on this topic ???
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 36
      0
      But what about the Chinese with their mentality over the course of a thousand years, right up to the 16th century, the Narea Yeri contested the world national, technological, economical championship ??? Or are you a champion of racial theory ??? The loyalty of racial theory to the Uze ruined Germany in the 40s ... Rake, odanaka!
  30. tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 28 June 2016 13: 08
    +1
    we China need it for sure .... as consumers of their goods .. and consumers in huge numbers .. do we need China ??? as a counterweight to the Yankees then yes .. but what is the counterweight .. is it while China is profitable .. they cunning guys on their own wave ... why don’t they sacrifice for us only if there is a benefit somewhere .. I don’t even know economically I had any particular hopes .. we’re eating their goods and eating and we don’t need them ..we will certainly hope that things will move .. but how could we not exorbitantly pay for it
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 14: 54
      +1
      145 million consumers in Russia are ardor compared with 1,2 billion consumers in India, with 1 billion consumers in the Muslim world, with 500 million consumers in Africa, with 500 million consumers in Latin America, 500 million consumers in Europe, and with 1,35 billion consumers in the domestic Chinese market ...
  31. tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 28 June 2016 13: 21
    +1
    but it’s better to have such a relationship than in 60-70
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 13: 49
      +2
      only due to unilateral concessions of V. Putin since 2005 from the island of Tarabarov
  32. amr
    amr 28 June 2016 13: 32
    +2
    Yes, we do not need China .... just taking this opportunity, shove us our barohelo in tridorogo and buy our hydrocarbons for nothing .... that’s all politics)))
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 13: 49
      +2
      China needs our resources
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 28 June 2016 19: 46
        +2
        And not only resources. Nuclear industry, aviation and shipbuilding, military-industrial complex, space industry, rocket technologies, agricultural sector, instrument making.
        I do not agree with some of your comments. China had an advantage in the cheapest labor force, and now this is practically nonexistent. And taking into account the fact that it needs imported raw materials; then his future may become hazy. Since the Chinese themselves and foreigners (working in the PRC), businessmen can begin to transfer production to where the slave will be cheaper. strength and local raw materials, good conditions for investors and desh. electric power. You guess what I mean - for example, in RK 50 industrial facilities with the participation of the Chinese will be transferred (built) (I don’t know how it is with the Russian Federation) ?! For example, that textile. Uzbekistan is gradually turning into a large sewing workshop - at least a lot of Uzbek cotton products (underwear, T-shirts, etc.) have appeared on our market. Even in the USA, whale. textile products are becoming less and less: Vietnam (a wife brought a couple of jackets from San Francisco), Bangladesh, Indonesia, etc.
        So, the PRC’s interest in the aircraft industry (heavy vert. And wide-body. Airplane) is clear that without the help of the Russian Federation it obviously will not pull for commercial success - others are unlikely to take such a step (Boeing and Airbus). Why not make money together, making it so that without components from the Russian Federation the project stalls (engines, etc.)?
        The PRC has been actively engaged in its economy for 40 years, the Russian Federation since 2004, the Republic of Kazakhstan since 1998 (when the main debts were closed). And our initial conditions are much better than that of China - with a competent approach, we will need less time. But the only thing we don’t have is markets (except for raw materials): East and West were closed until recently. And naturally, opening the East Gate, they expect something from us. It is only necessary to come to an agreement, defending key positions for yourself in the negotiations. And with a whale. resettlement must be approached with a competent migration policy and legislation. We have it 10-30% whale. personnel in Chinese and joint ventures in our territory. 50% - this is if there are no specialists and for us this is a new business. hi
        As I understand it, our leaders are primarily concerned about infrastructure (judging by the projects), for example, transport. That silos, North Sea, BAM and Transib, ports. Pipelines. It’s right, having connected the countries with them, then nobody will want to tear apart and, especially, to fight, is unprofitable. Those Chinese will trample in the Far East if they know that in case of defeat, the flows will turn to Japan, Korea, etc. - I do not think this will be the worst dream for the Chinese. The Chinese (from the experience of the North Koreans) know what happens when there are poor neighbors - nobody needs such a clamp; especially if such a poor neighbor would be a huge RF. So both the Chinese and us (Kazakhstan and Central Asia) need RICH RUSSIA. And the Chinese, whom the West is slowly beginning to poke, need a STRONG ALLY, in the presence of which no one would even imagine military aggression. The PRC does not yet have a full-fledged nuclear triad, and this greatly annoys them - judging by the attempts to build aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines. They only reached space when there was a swarm in the west. I'm not talking about combat experience. From this I conclude that China is very interested in a strong and rich Russian Federation, and not a raw materials appendage - they will find it in Africa and in Central Asia (30% of all exported gas is already coming from Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan; 4 branches are under construction Kirghiz from the Uzbeks and another one will go from Western Kazakhstan to the southeast to the gran. from China, i.e. if you need to throw abroad too, so more than half of all imported gas is closed by China, the rest of Iran can be blocked, which already interested in the land project). And why then Altai and the Power of Siberia? No, China has a very lively interest in Russia. hi
  33. Mentat
    Mentat 28 June 2016 14: 45
    +2
    Quote: lukmag

    Well, now our state is in a vassal position with its eastern neighbor, the days have gone by when Mao waited for weeks at Stalin's reception and asked the Leader to dine with the Chinese delegation.
    Now our chiefs are rushing with servility to the Chinese.

    What nonsense are you talking on your blue eye? The Chinese show maximum respect for our leaders at all meetings. At the Victory Parade in China, for example, the only leader who was next to Xi Jinping was Putin, the rest sat in a separate group. Yes, the Chinese are on their minds and it’s hard to bargain with them, but “subservience”, “vassal” is some kind of nonsense of a sick mare.
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 15: 44
      +2
      not showing respect, but COURTING. They hope for further concessions - the first of the Russian and Soviet leaders V. Putin gave them strategic islands near Khabarovsk in 2005, in 2015 - part of the lands of the border Transbaikalia under the guise of "lease".

      And so - Putin and his oligarchic camarilla and Russia itself are despised in the soul as a raw material warehouse from which you can drag whatever your heart desires.
  34. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 June 2016 15: 24
    0
    This is exactly what I wrote a year ago, and this direction will change the whole alignment of relations with the EU and Asia. Everything is correct. Only this is the beginning. You can still squeeze out five times more income for our country in this direction. And Europe will have nothing to do but hang out underfoot and ask to pay attention to it. The most "smart and shaggy" were left with an empty pot.
  35. JonnyT
    JonnyT 28 June 2016 15: 54
    +4
    China with the greatest pleasure will try to tear a piece from Russia. While our interests coincide a little, while Russia is too strong for China, here are kind smiles and incomprehensible cooperation.
    China in 2008 specifically ran into the Russian Federation, demanded uranium, and they gave him, because at that time if the Russian Federation had collected absolutely all the troops from Kaliningrad and Kamchatka, it could defeat only one Chinese military district, and there are FIVE of them !!!!. ..... In negotiations with China, you must always have a "loaded gun" ready in order to be ahead of the curve in case of danger.
    In fact, we are squeezed, so our diplomats are spinning as they can. At one time, all "pr0sr @ li" for a song, now we are trying to do at least something. China is accustomed to cooperation in the "freebie" style, when unique and high-tech enterprises were sold out and their equipment went to China at the price of ferrous and non-ferrous scrap. He is not accustomed to equal rights and he does not respect us and is not afraid, we think we are weak.
  36. Skubudu
    Skubudu 28 June 2016 17: 23
    +1
    China, this is a stage 4 cancer which, without control, is increasing at a rate of 100 million hours. at 000.
    When they come, it will not work out.
    It’s not too late to conduct aggressive treatment - Nuclear Therapy
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 28 June 2016 21: 38
      0
      Racist? 800 million Arabs (God forbid unite), the tumor is ???
    2. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 29 June 2016 00: 19
      0
      Radiation therapy. Gamma rays
  37. Mentat
    Mentat 28 June 2016 17: 41
    0
    Quote: Joe Stalin
    not showing respect, but COURTING. They hope for further concessions - the first of the Russian and Soviet leaders V. Putin gave them strategic islands near Khabarovsk in 2005, in 2015 - part of the lands of the border Transbaikalia under the guise of "lease".

    And so - Putin and his oligarchic camarilla and Russia itself are despised in the soul as a raw material warehouse from which you can drag whatever your heart desires.

    Yes, you are directly the counselor of all of China! And of course the omniscient and strategist of universal proportions.
    Just like the sources of your awareness appear: the kamikadzhedhead channel, which, on the advice of image makers, changed its profile picture with its addict photo, plus Navalny’s blog.
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 28 June 2016 21: 24
      0
      you just need to know the psychology of the Chinese - they respect only those who are stronger than them and look down with a smile at those who are weaker. and Navalny and the State Department have nothing to do with it. Change your obsolete training manual!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 June 2016 23: 23
        +4
        Quote: Joe Stalin
        they respect only those who are stronger than them

        They generally do not respect anyone.
  38. Platonich
    Platonich 28 June 2016 18: 57
    +2
    Yeahhh ... kapets of Russia! All subsoil sold and sell! Already Rosneft sold out! When will these bugs get drunk to the stage when they break it !!!
  39. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 28 June 2016 19: 36
    +2
    In general, I'm proud! Chubais himself went to China! Well now it will be all right! Are you worried! Anatoly Chubais has already inscribed himself in golden letters in our history. When such geniuses come to terms with China ... don’t worry, everything will be fine. Now the Chinese will be our strategic allies. You can sleep peacefully. We have already won. West, East, South, North and the 4th dimension (and even the 5th probably).
    "As part of the visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to China, an agreement was signed between Rusnano and the Ministry of Science and Technology of China on the creation of a joint Russian-Chinese innovative fund for direct investment in high technologies. Its volume and investment distribution mechanism have not yet been announced."
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 28 June 2016 21: 46
      0
      Quote: Coffin Cross1
      An agreement was signed between Rusnano and the Ministry of Science and Technology of China on the creation of a joint Russian-Chinese innovation fund for direct investment in high technology

      - that such a fund will be created has been known for at least six months
      - why did it surprise you (or upset you) so much?
      - what do you know about the work of Rusnano, besides the fact that there is "loot"?

      You can, by the way, go to the site of this very Rosnana and ask what projects and in what status they currently have wink
      1. Coffin Cross1
        Coffin Cross1 28 June 2016 22: 06
        +1
        Hello my old friend. I am glad that you, like me, are an ardent admirer of Anatoly Chubais. Now we will definitely "get off our knees" and surpass China in rice production and population growth laughing .
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 28 June 2016 22: 16
          +1
          Quote: Coffin Cross1
          I am glad that you, like me, are an ardent admirer of Anatoly Chubais. Now we will definitely "get off our knees" and surpass China in rice production and population growth

          - I do not care deeply about Anatoly Chubais
          - I, oddly enough, have heard that in Rosnan not only "loot"
          “You, in your wondrous manner, still prefer not to answer questions, but ask your own.”

          Funny you character GraveBezKresta Coffin Cross (numbered) laughing
          1. Coffin Cross1
            Coffin Cross1 28 June 2016 22: 28
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            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I do not care deeply about Anatoly Chubais

            Someone's? After all, he is a prominent state. figure. Our president loves and groomes him. He has done a lot for the country. And you do not care! Not patriotic UTB! I think he will teach the Chinese how to use money correctly. And I wrote all this, that even if the great Chubais himself goes to Beijing, our situation is very interesting. This is just like our princes went to Batu in the horde for a label on reign. Chezh nobody goes to Moscow? Ali is not the third Rome we? Let them go to us, but crawl on their knees. By the way, this was the case in the Soviet Union. Stalin didn’t go anywhere. They crawled to him. Ali wasn’t it?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 28 June 2016 22: 55
              0
              Quote: Coffin Cross1
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              I do not care deeply about Anatoly Chubais

              Someone's? After all, he is a prominent state. activist

              - prominent? Rather inconspicuous in recent years
              - I don’t like his face, and therefore do not care laughing

              - Chubais is going to Beijing to conclude some kind of agreement. On behalf of Rosnana, whose leader (whether you like it or me - the second question already), this very Chubais is
              - I don’t understand that it hurts you so much here

              Quote: Coffin Cross1
              Stalin didn’t go anywhere

              - yah? And didn’t go to Tehran either?
              - those who went according to the rank were supposed to go, and don’t doubt where you needed to yes
              - about "all crawled" - these are your girlish dreams

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          2. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 29 June 2016 00: 22
            +3
            how is it - to give a damn about V. Putin’s best friend ???
            Yes, he, along with Putin and Sobchak in the 90s, sold Russia to the West in bulk and retail, which they are now doing:
  40. Mentat
    Mentat 28 June 2016 21: 11
    -1
    Quote: lukmag
    Our tens of several billion $ of mutual trade with China, dust in comparison with their total volume for 4 trillion, if my memory serves me right.
    Therefore, do not overestimate yourself
    Today, on a corner of the corner of the eye, the show looked about how we bent the Turks and they ran to Putin to bow.
    So many were told to the Vottam about what kind of damage we did to the Turks with our sanctions.
    Delirium and only, because this year the Turks have growth, we don’t even dare to dream with an okak.
    So with China. We wishful thinking.
    We are such, we are such, cool, brutal and everyone envy us!
    This is for internal use, and all our opponents and adversaries, as they want our twists, put in a machine gun pose where they will be caught using it.
    Here again, the athletes were terrorized.
    In the show, Fetisov had some kind of bloke important to a question that was quite simple, Fetisova couldn’t answer anything, burst out of his hair and ran away. The Khmyr is still some kind before the State Duma Committee on Sport.
    The ruling country is absolutely knowing and not knowing anything people.
    IPhone, his deputy Arkasha.
    What can they do, what did they command, what did they create and organize? They can’t steer wives, they didn’t command two hens.
    I’m afraid that their wives are pounding them in the head with frying pans, which is why they got such.

    lukmag, you are writing here on the forum posts of a very specific content: "Russia is weak and cannot do anything." China supposedly neglects it.
    And Turkey is powerful in you, its economy is only growing.
    Meanwhile, unemployment in Turkey is almost two times higher than in Russia, and inflation is at about the same level, with all the anti-Russian sanctions and speculative pressure on the ruble.

    In Q1 2016, Turkey has an increase of 0.8% of GDP, before sanctions we had 0.49% / quarter. I would not call this difference enormous, but the very figure of Turkish GDP growth is the ultimate dream.

    According to Focus Economics, this year the Turkish economy will slow down by ~ 18%. In 2017, Focus Economics experts predict the growth of the Turkish economy by 3.5%, and the Russian one by 1.3%. I don’t observe something phantasmagoric, even taking into account the economic pressure on Russia.
  41. Mentat
    Mentat 28 June 2016 21: 36
    -1
    Quote: Joe Stalin
    you just need to know the psychology of the Chinese - they respect only those who are stronger than them and look down with a smile at those who are weaker. and Navalny and the State Department have nothing to do with it. Change your obsolete training manual!

    From the excitement, Joe has already passed on to you. Look still do not start stuttering, ignoramus. Deepest knowledge of the Chinese from where, Joe? Contempt, looks down on ... where did you get so much valuable insider information, overseas vagrant (Joe)?
  42. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 28 June 2016 22: 45
    +2
    Quote: g1v2
    Socialism in the USSR began to be dismantled in the early 80s. To think that you can return to him by the whistle is cretinism.

    No, they began to dismantle it almost immediately after the removal of I.V. Stalin and the coming to power of this illiterate Khokhloshut Khrushchev. By the 80s, the elite realized that nothing had come of it with the building of communism and that she had played with Trotsky’s idea of ​​a permanent world revolution and had already decided to simply assign part of state property to her personal pockets. It was necessary to govern the country based on the laws of economics, and not on slogans! But they couldn’t do it differently - that’s what failed the social experiment, and their heirs vividly blamed the theory of socialism for everything, which they themselves did not develop, but used it dogmatically!
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 29 June 2016 00: 24
      +1
      The USSR began to dismantle Bandera Khrushchev at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU in 1956, shouting a lie at the Great Name of IV Stalin
  43. Governor
    Governor 28 June 2016 23: 26
    +2
    Kicking Rasey all and sundry. Survived! We ask handouts from China, beauty! Colony in its purest form.
    I vote for the Communist Party.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 June 2016 06: 24
      0
      Quote: Governor
      I vote for the Communist Party.

      Correctly good
      - The ex-mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov, joined the election campaign for the election of deputies of the State Duma, he became the confidant of the candidate for deputies from the Communist Party of the Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov ...
      What a trusted Erysipelas face, such a party!
  44. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 29 June 2016 02: 46
    +1
    glasses of champagne were drunk not in vain.

    all together we take drums and ... tryn-dy-dy-dyn ... tryn-dy-dy-dyn - forward to the bright future of Chinese mankind!
    What is the article about? On the difficult everyday lives of Russian politicians and petty joys against the background of the suffering of the EU-people from Braxis and the Brussels bureaucracy ...
    And I'm terribly happy!
  45. Mentat
    Mentat 29 June 2016 10: 27
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Governor
    I vote for the Communist Party.

    Correctly good
    - The ex-mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov, joined the election campaign for the election of deputies of the State Duma, he became the confidant of the candidate for deputies from the Communist Party of the Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov ...
    What a trusted Erysipelas face, such a party!

    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation today is parasitism on symbols of the past era. Luzhkov has long sniffed at organized crime, in fact, it was its representative. Moreover, he had some contact with the orange revolutionaries. Such a fruit with rot. The fact that the Communist Party accepts this miracle speaks volumes. In fact, the fact is disturbing.

    I can still understand the feelings of the older generation towards the Communist Party, but outright betrayal, when scum, calling themselves members of the Communist Party, dragged the red flags to the meetings of Navalny and Co., in all its glory painted the current state of this imitation of yesterday. There was no censure, no rebuttal ... silence. So the “Communist Party” in quotes is ready to sell the homeland for power ?? To allow the collapse of the country and the grief of their own people? After all, they perfectly understand what and who is behind the neoliberals in Russia and what their goals are!

    I would like to hear clear and intelligible explanations to the people of Russia from Zyuganov about this. So far this has not been done, otherwise it is hardly possible to perceive this “Communist Party” to put it mildly by an unreliable organization.
  46. Olena
    Olena 29 June 2016 13: 38
    +1
    - Empty, everything is absolutely empty ... - There can be no cooperation, partnership, good-neighborliness, mutual benefit, let alone fraternal relations between Russia and China ... - They, in fact, never existed ... - The USSR at one time, through the thoughtlessness of Soviet leaders, at "its own expense" created, donated, built, supplied, equipped China with heavy industry, metalworking, "metal casting", the automotive industry, "oil refining", rocketry, nuclear power plants, the chemical industry, technical and scientific technologies of "all stripes", all types of weapons, including nuclear weapons ...
    -And now, when Russia is very weak, China simply engaged in arm-twisting from a weakened Russia ... -China has ensured that Russia has concluded with it a number of enslaving treaties and agreements, both long-term and short-term ... -China forced Russia will become its raw materials appendage .., and China sets the price of raw materials supplied from Russia ...
    -There is and has already taken root the myth of China's supposedly "powerful economy and prosperity" ... -There was no prosperity there and there is no .... -Yes, about 100 million Chinese live in China quite well, even there are rich and oligarchs ..; what can not be said about the remaining "other residents" of China ... is about 1,5 billion Chinese people who live below the poverty line ...
    -To this should be added, China's gigantic army (armed forces) ... -It is not difficult to guess for whom and for what purposes China created and equipped a colossal ground army ...- where is it, this army can still, except for the territory of Russia invade ..? - Nearby there are no more states ....
    - The same applies to the "trade and economic" relations between Russia and China ... - In this respect, China has already begun its "treacherous invasion" into the territory of Russia ...
  47. Mentat
    Mentat 29 June 2016 13: 55
    0
    And who minus me something? Of those who at the rallies of the "opposition" enthusiastically clapped Nemtsov, fending a red flag? Come out, minuser, explain the position, if you have something to say.
  48. dojjdik
    dojjdik 29 June 2016 18: 55
    -1
    no matter how gentle you gentlemen are, Jews and Putin will not listen to you — China and India are our not only economic but also military partners — this has always been and always will be