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Experts: Syrian BMP-2 - the most suitable technique for dealing with suicide cars

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The use of explosive vehicles by militants in Syria has become a very serious problem for government forces. According to experts, over time, such a threat will only increase, so it is necessary to respond to it more effectively using tactics and technology, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


Experts: Syrian BMP-2 - the most suitable technique for dealing with suicide cars


“If you evaluate the available in the Syrian arsenals weapon, then, apart from the relatively few T-90s, the BMP-2 can become an ideal tool capable of leveling this savage invention of terrorists. Its 30-mm gun 2А42 is known to be capable of destroying light-armored vehicles at a distance of 1500 m. Therefore, it will not be difficult to detect and smash any vehicle filled with explosives, ”writes the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

In his opinion, “for armored targets, like self-propelled torpedoes, made from tanks T-55 and T-62, effective anti-tank systems, for example, "Competition M", which can also be used with BMP-2. "



“And if the Syrian optical-electronic countering system of the Sarab-1 ATGM is installed on the“ two ”, then the machine will not be afraid of American TOW-2 anti-tank systems, and, consequently, the effectiveness of the BMP will increase even more,” the author concludes .
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  1. avvg
    avvg 27 June 2016 12: 27
    +1
    If the BMP-2 is tested in Syria in a combat environment, then the technique is one of the best options.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 27 June 2016 12: 30
      +2
      Well, check in a day) Babahs regularly send surprises!
    2. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 27 June 2016 12: 31
      +9
      And why is BMP-2 allocated? What armored personnel carrier, for example, can not cope with easily armored vehicles stuffed with explosives? Yes, and other manual, and not only shooter? I did not understand the author.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 27 June 2016 13: 08
        +17
        Quote: sdc_alex
        And why is BMP-2 allocated? What armored personnel carrier, for example, can not cope with easily armored vehicles stuffed with explosives? Yes, and other manual, and not only shooter? I did not understand the author.


        An armored personnel carrier costs 14,5 mm. KPVT machine gun, compare it with a power of 30 mm. automatic gun 2A42, the author was not going to yes
        Recent incidents have shown the ineffectiveness of small arms against "jihadmobiles", with sure armor plates request
        The author correctly points to a cure for these scourges in the form of 30 mm. guns in conjunction with ATGMs yes
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        2. Mama_Cholli
          Mama_Cholli 27 June 2016 17: 57
          +2
          Who says that the KPVT will not stop the car stuffed with explosives, he did not shoot from the KPVT ... IMHO
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 28 June 2016 05: 57
            +1
            Quote: Mama_Cholli
            Who says that KPVT will not stop a car stuffed with explosives, he did not shoot from KPVT ..

            Yes, he will not just stop, but will tear it! Especially quad installation. This is the density of fire better BMP-2 will be.
      2. Mengad
        Mengad 27 June 2016 13: 11
        +1
        They have more BMP 2s with 30-mm 2A42 than 80 armored personnel carriers 60 that were supplied by Russia, and they probably perform other functions. And the remaining 1 armored vehicles armed with the Syrian Army, I didn’t even see something in the chronicle from Syria. and -2 glow.
      3. sub307
        sub307 27 June 2016 14: 08
        -3
        "I didn't understand the author."
        It is not difficult to understand what the author is: if a car with a "filling" interferes with life, it can be eliminated from 2A42, and if something heavier rides on us, then an ATM (one or another) will be needed. There is no point in challenging the obvious. Unfortunately, such recommendations of the so-called expert are neither in depth of "digging" the topic, nor in originality.
    3. Fregate
      Fregate 27 June 2016 13: 31
      +2
      Its 30mm 2A42 gun, as you know, is capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles at a range of 1500 m. Therefore, finding and smashing any car filled with explosives will not be difficult

      It’s quite straightforward to get from 1,5 km into a jeep moving at high speed, also maneuvering.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 27 June 2016 12: 28
    +1
    “And if the Syrian optical-electronic countering system of the Sarab-1 ATGM is installed on the“ two ”, then the machine will not be afraid of American TOW-2 anti-tank systems, and, consequently, the effectiveness of the BMP will increase even more,” the author concludes .


    Isn't it cheaper to mine approaches to the object ...

    at worst, you can dig anti-tank ditches with traps.

    It will be harder to deal with live bombs (people) ... because women and children are used here.
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 June 2016 12: 31
      +5
      Mining approaches, danger to civilians, destroy only at a distance.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 27 June 2016 12: 36
        0
        Mining approaches, danger to civilians, destroy only at a distance.


        It’s all so ... but there are a lot of videos (IRAQ, SYRIA) ... where the militants manage to break through to the checkpoints ... I can’t understand that this is carelessness or ordinary sloppiness of the guard.
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    3. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 27 June 2016 12: 47
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Isn't it cheaper to mine approaches to the object ...

      at worst, you can dig anti-tank ditches with traps.


      One other does not exclude.
    4. Rash
      Rash 27 June 2016 12: 56
      +1
      Yes there is a desert around! This is how many traps do you need ?!
      And the war goes along the roads. If only busy roads and intersections to dig. request
      But this also requires a bunch of road construction equipment ...
    5. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 27 June 2016 21: 38
      0
      Anti-tank ditches? You watch a video from Syria! There the earth is a solid scattering of stone! belay
  3. Khariton
    Khariton 27 June 2016 12: 29
    +2
    There is a more effective way ... Leftovers from death row, sew up in pork skins and throw on the sidelines! Guria they certainly do not shine ...
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 27 June 2016 12: 33
      +2
      Sorry for the pigs. And where in Syria to get so many pigs. sad
  4. Smoked
    Smoked 27 June 2016 12: 31
    +1
    An important fire organization. This is another Americans in WWII suffering from the Japanese realized.
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist 27 June 2016 12: 34
    +1
    I dare to hope that Bashir Assad still has competent specialists in the General Staff (they knew how to teach in the Soviet Union). I believe there are also our "technologists"
  6. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 27 June 2016 12: 35
    0
    Yes, this is true until the terrorists from the first jihad mobile shoot first. I believe that BMP armor will not withstand a direct hit from an anti-aircraft gun.
  7. bronik
    bronik 27 June 2016 12: 36
    +5
    Also "Shilka" is well suited for such purposes. It was not for nothing that the spirits called it Shaitan-Arba.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 27 June 2016 12: 40
      -1
      Also "Shilka" is well suited for such purposes.


      There are hundreds of protected objects in Syria ... is there any way for the army to keep as many SHILOK and BMP-2 there?
      So it’s not so simple ... the capabilities of the ASADA army are not unlimited.
    2. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 27 June 2016 12: 42
      +4
      Yes, in fact, it is possible to shoot mobile jihad on such a "technique" wassat
      1. sdc_alex
        sdc_alex 27 June 2016 12: 44
        +1
        or on such
      2. KOMA
        KOMA 27 June 2016 15: 10
        0
        The suicide bombers use armored vehicles and tanks filled with explosives. "Maksimka" will not help, even with armor-piercing bullets.
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 June 2016 18: 01
          0
          "Suicide bombers use armored vehicles" - if these are ordinary cars hung with iron sheets, then 30 mm will be enough, even KPVT "will perform a solo number" quite energetically.
          But if the tanks are controlled by suicide bombers, then it will probably be really more efficient to leave the checkpoint, disperse it and burn it from all available weapons ... and the BMP-2 is not the best option here ..

          But there will not be a massive use of jihad vehicles ... For -1) a tank is valuable in itself, especially with a deliberately serviceable chassis, 2) the efficiency is approximately equal or even lower than that of cars - if the explosive is inside, if outside, then an ordinary shooter will explode, 3) camouflage - a car is one thing, a tank is completely different, especially where they should not be, 4) speed - the difference is at least twice - which dramatically reduces the response time, 5) tanks are calculated / reconnoitered at very large distances - which contributes "prevention", it is practically impossible to calculate the car in advance.
  8. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 27 June 2016 12: 43
    0
    Its 30mm 2A42 gun, as you know, is capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles at a range of 1500 m. Therefore, finding and smashing any car filled with explosives will not be difficult, ”writes the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

    The problem is how to detect, how to distinguish a civilian car from a stuffed one at such a distance?
  9. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 27 June 2016 12: 46
    +3
    In general, judging by an interview with the Syrian military (ANNA NEWS channel), they very highly appreciate the capabilities of the BMP-2. They especially note the high speed characteristics, maneuverability, excellent firepower.
  10. Same lech
    Same lech 27 June 2016 12: 46
    +1
    The problem is how to detect, how to distinguish a civilian car from a stuffed one at such a distance?


    Well, actually, a good search is needed in front of the object ...

    IN CHECHNYA we went through all this and for the mistakes and sloppiness paid with the blood of our soldiers.
  11. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 June 2016 12: 53
    +4
    Guided minefields have always been an effective means of preventing a breakthrough against both foot and heavy armored vehicles. On highways, barriers made of reinforced concrete blocks installed in a checkerboard pattern were very effective. And then finishing. I do not think that our specialists do not suggest.
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    avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 June 2016 13: 05
    +3
    Quote: Bulrumeb
    The problem is how to detect, how to distinguish a civilian car from a stuffed one at such a distance?
    Why distinguish. Approaching the object is possible only from a known controlled direction, otherwise it is an attack and broads.
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  • Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 27 June 2016 13: 14
    +1
    An armored object can be useful outside the city, and then provided that the inspection of the car goes in several stages and of high quality. If the car breaks through the first post and to the BMP, say km of open space, then the car is destroyed. But what about the city? There are many nuances that require not just finding BMPs, but also iron discipline and professionalism on the part of the Syrian army (the notorious human factor).
  • soroKING
    soroKING 27 June 2016 13: 14
    0
    Quote: sdc_alex
    or on such

    and a camel from birth is deaf?
  • tokarnik
    tokarnik 27 June 2016 13: 27
    +1
    If only the BMPT patria would be sent to Syria! I think the combat vehicle would have corrected everything!
  • svp67
    svp67 27 June 2016 13: 35
    +3
    Yes, the 30-mm BMP-2 cannon is good for these purposes, but the ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23 mounted on a self-propelled chassis are just as good, and the S-60 ZU could have made the life of these "living firefighters" very short, including medium armored. The main thing is that we still have enough of this metal and it can be safely delivered to Syria.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 June 2016 13: 49
    +2
    "Therefore, to find and smash to smithereens any filled with explosives
    the car will not be difficult ", - writes the author of the article Roman Katkov" /////

    To smash into smithereens - it is clear, from 30 mm guns.

    But how to detect? belay
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 June 2016 14: 27
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    To smash into smithereens - it is clear, from 30 mm guns.
    But how to detect?

    Do you think that here they will directly rush to set forth the methods and tactics of counter-terrorism measures?
    Why do you need this?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 June 2016 15: 15
      +4
      What do you mean why? Our fighters are also rampaging. That's interesting
      learn from the experience of others.
      With these exploding machines, like this: 80% of the difficulty is to determine
      that it’s about to explode, and 20% of the difficulty is to destroy it.
  • loki565
    loki565 27 June 2016 14: 47
    -2
    BMP2 is not the best option, there is no target tracking machine so it’ll get horseradish by car. It can shoot accurately only at a standing target, of course there are videos where BMP2 crashes a jet, but this is more advertising than true. For the destruction of an armored van, a tunguska is better suited (the shilka may not break through) the main thing is dust and smoke, as it accompanies the target with multi-channel including radar. This tragic video shows that a tank shot raises a cloud of sand and dust, nobody sees anything and shoots anywhere, when the car comes out of the cloud it is too close and the tragedy can no longer be prevented. So I'm for tunguska.


    1. loki565
      loki565 27 June 2016 15: 37
      0
      Who has no arguments, he stupidly minus)))
    2. MACCABI-TLV
      MACCABI-TLV 27 June 2016 17: 47
      +4
      Quote: loki565
      It’s better to destroy an armored van
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 27 June 2016 18: 18
        0
        Better but more expensive, and less, and not always in the right place.
        1. MACCABI-TLV
          MACCABI-TLV 27 June 2016 18: 47
          -1
          tank columns he should not cover, but the gum.mission should.
    3. your1970
      your1970 27 June 2016 18: 33
      0
      This is some kind of crap - not a checkpoint, a group of people who went into the desert with incomprehensible goals. What do two cars and a tank do in the middle of the desert without infantry cover (without which tanks burn everywhere and always) ?? If this is a military operation, where are the troops ?? Where is the artillery allowing to cover large areas in a fairly small country? Where is the aircraft? Where is the interaction with neighbors? Visibility 20 km minimum, 48 seconds video-i.e. they saw him minimum (!!!) per kilometer distance...
      I understand - Chechnya and the militants in the mountains have limited visibility, small time intervals for response, elevation differences, Israel and militant settlements, civilians, problems with the identification of such vehicles, it is impossible to strip from all trunks from left to right ..
      But here it is - maximum visibility (the table is almost), the deliberate absence of its troops and the presence of the enemy - shoot exactly at any target at any range and everything will be fine.
      No - 15 people were sitting in the middle of the desert, waiting for someone to arrive, they waited ..

      ZY And you are blocks, a snake, mines, an inspection ......
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 June 2016 15: 39
    +1
    If you have the right, with admission to the special library, well, but no, so clear the question.
  • Jack-b
    Jack-b 27 June 2016 18: 17
    +1
    According to experts, over time, such a threat will only grow

    I wonder where the experts are so confident? I read an article about suicide bombers, it states that suicide bombers are a very expensive pleasure, and most importantly, it is very difficult to prepare a suicide bomber. A bomber capable of "effectively dying" is being prepared for a long and difficult time. The process is costly and good specialists are needed for this work. There are, of course, "cheap" suicide bombers, but they usually do not fulfill their mission. Either they explode ahead of time without causing damage, or they are quickly calculated and destroyed. A "quality" suicide bomber is worth its weight in gold. But with gold from the Islamists, the further the worse.
  • Flatter
    Flatter 27 June 2016 22: 17
    -1
    Organizational methods-posters, with a requirement to reduce speed, check documents, 300-400 meters from the post, with the obligatory exit from technical equipment.