Experts: Syrian BMP-2 - the most suitable technique for dealing with suicide cars

The use of explosive vehicles by militants in Syria has become a very serious problem for government forces. According to experts, over time, such a threat will only increase, so it is necessary to respond to it more effectively using tactics and technology, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

“If you evaluate the available in the Syrian arsenals weapon, then, apart from the relatively few T-90s, the BMP-2 can become an ideal tool capable of leveling this savage invention of terrorists. Its 30-mm gun 2А42 is known to be capable of destroying light-armored vehicles at a distance of 1500 m. Therefore, it will not be difficult to detect and smash any vehicle filled with explosives, ”writes the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

In his opinion, “for armored targets, like self-propelled torpedoes, made from tanks T-55 and T-62, effective anti-tank systems, for example, "Competition M", which can also be used with BMP-2. "

“And if the Syrian optical-electronic countering system of the Sarab-1 ATGM is installed on the“ two ”, then the machine will not be afraid of American TOW-2 anti-tank systems, and, consequently, the effectiveness of the BMP will increase even more,” the author concludes .

Comments

[avvg]

If the BMP-2 is tested in Syria in a combat environment, then the technique is one of the best options.

[Alex_Rarog]

Well, check in a day) Babahs regularly send surprises!

[sdc_alex]

And why is BMP-2 allocated? What armored personnel carrier, for example, can not cope with easily armored vehicles stuffed with explosives? Yes, and other manual, and not only shooter? I did not understand the author.

[Andrey K]

Quote: sdc_alex

And why is BMP-2 allocated? What armored personnel carrier, for example, can not cope with easily armored vehicles stuffed with explosives? Yes, and other manual, and not only shooter? I did not understand the author.

An armored personnel carrier costs 14,5 mm. KPVT machine gun, compare it with a power of 30 mm. automatic gun 2A42, the author was not going to
Recent incidents have shown the ineffectiveness of small arms against "jihadmobiles", with sure armor plates
The author correctly points to a cure for these scourges in the form of 30 mm. guns in conjunction with ATGMs

[Mama_Cholli]

Who says that the KPVT will not stop the car stuffed with explosives, he did not shoot from the KPVT ... IMHO

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Who says that KPVT will not stop a car stuffed with explosives, he did not shoot from KPVT ..

Yes, he will not just stop, but will tear it! Especially quad installation. This is the density of fire better BMP-2 will be.

[Mengad]

They have more BMP 2s with 30-mm 2A42 than 80 armored personnel carriers 60 that were supplied by Russia, and they probably perform other functions. And the remaining 1 armored vehicles armed with the Syrian Army, I didn’t even see something in the chronicle from Syria. and -2 glow.

[sub307]

"I didn't understand the author."
It is not difficult to understand what the author is: if a car with a "filling" interferes with life, it can be eliminated from 2A42, and if something heavier rides on us, then an ATM (one or another) will be needed. There is no point in challenging the obvious. Unfortunately, such recommendations of the so-called expert are neither in depth of "digging" the topic, nor in originality.

[Fregate]

Its 30mm 2A42 gun, as you know, is capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles at a range of 1500 m. Therefore, finding and smashing any car filled with explosives will not be difficult

It’s quite straightforward to get from 1,5 km into a jeep moving at high speed, also maneuvering.

[Same lech]

“And if the Syrian optical-electronic countering system of the Sarab-1 ATGM is installed on the“ two ”, then the machine will not be afraid of American TOW-2 anti-tank systems, and, consequently, the effectiveness of the BMP will increase even more,” the author concludes .

Isn't it cheaper to mine approaches to the object ...

at worst, you can dig anti-tank ditches with traps.

It will be harder to deal with live bombs (people) ... because women and children are used here.

[cniza]

Mining approaches, danger to civilians, destroy only at a distance.

[Same lech]

Mining approaches, danger to civilians, destroy only at a distance.

It’s all so ... but there are a lot of videos (IRAQ, SYRIA) ... where the militants manage to break through to the checkpoints ... I can’t understand that this is carelessness or ordinary sloppiness of the guard.

[tiredwithall]

Quote: The same Lech

Isn't it cheaper to mine approaches to the object ...

at worst, you can dig anti-tank ditches with traps.

One other does not exclude.

[Rash]

Yes there is a desert around! This is how many traps do you need ?!
And the war goes along the roads. If only busy roads and intersections to dig.
But this also requires a bunch of road construction equipment ...

[sharp-lad]

Anti-tank ditches? You watch a video from Syria! There the earth is a solid scattering of stone!

[Khariton]

There is a more effective way ... Leftovers from death row, sew up in pork skins and throw on the sidelines! Guria they certainly do not shine ...

[sdc_alex]

Sorry for the pigs. And where in Syria to get so many pigs.

[Smoked]

An important fire organization. This is another Americans in WWII suffering from the Japanese realized.

[Monarchist]

I dare to hope that Bashir Assad still has competent specialists in the General Staff (they knew how to teach in the Soviet Union). I believe there are also our "technologists"

[sergeyzzz]

Yes, this is true until the terrorists from the first jihad mobile shoot first. I believe that BMP armor will not withstand a direct hit from an anti-aircraft gun.

[Bronik]

Also "Shilka" is well suited for such purposes. It was not for nothing that the spirits called it Shaitan-Arba.

[Same lech]

Also "Shilka" is well suited for such purposes.

There are hundreds of protected objects in Syria ... is there any way for the army to keep as many SHILOK and BMP-2 there?
So it’s not so simple ... the capabilities of the ASADA army are not unlimited.

[sdc_alex]

Yes, in fact, it is possible to shoot mobile jihad on such a "technique"

[sdc_alex]

or on such

[KOMA]

The suicide bombers use armored vehicles and tanks filled with explosives. "Maksimka" will not help, even with armor-piercing bullets.

[your1970]

"Suicide bombers use armored vehicles" - if these are ordinary cars hung with iron sheets, then 30 mm will be enough, even KPVT "will perform a solo number" quite energetically.
But if the tanks are controlled by suicide bombers, then it will probably be really more efficient to leave the checkpoint, disperse it and burn it from all available weapons ... and the BMP-2 is not the best option here ..

But there will not be a massive use of jihad vehicles ... For -1) a tank is valuable in itself, especially with a deliberately serviceable chassis, 2) the efficiency is approximately equal or even lower than that of cars - if the explosive is inside, if outside, then an ordinary shooter will explode, 3) camouflage - a car is one thing, a tank is completely different, especially where they should not be, 4) speed - the difference is at least twice - which dramatically reduces the response time, 5) tanks are calculated / reconnoitered at very large distances - which contributes "prevention", it is practically impossible to calculate the car in advance.

[Bulrumeb]

Its 30mm 2A42 gun, as you know, is capable of destroying lightly armored vehicles at a range of 1500 m. Therefore, finding and smashing any car filled with explosives will not be difficult, ”writes the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

The problem is how to detect, how to distinguish a civilian car from a stuffed one at such a distance?

[Dimon19661]

In general, judging by an interview with the Syrian military (ANNA NEWS channel), they very highly appreciate the capabilities of the BMP-2. They especially note the high speed characteristics, maneuverability, excellent firepower.

[Same lech]

The problem is how to detect, how to distinguish a civilian car from a stuffed one at such a distance?

Well, actually, a good search is needed in front of the object ...

IN CHECHNYA we went through all this and for the mistakes and sloppiness paid with the blood of our soldiers.

[avg-mgn]

Guided minefields have always been an effective means of preventing a breakthrough against both foot and heavy armored vehicles. On highways, barriers made of reinforced concrete blocks installed in a checkerboard pattern were very effective. And then finishing. I do not think that our specialists do not suggest.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Bulrumeb

The problem is how to detect, how to distinguish a civilian car from a stuffed one at such a distance?

Why distinguish. Approaching the object is possible only from a known controlled direction, otherwise it is an attack and broads.

[Sergey-72]

An armored object can be useful outside the city, and then provided that the inspection of the car goes in several stages and of high quality. If the car breaks through the first post and to the BMP, say km of open space, then the car is destroyed. But what about the city? There are many nuances that require not just finding BMPs, but also iron discipline and professionalism on the part of the Syrian army (the notorious human factor).

[soroKING]

Quote: sdc_alex

or on such

and a camel from birth is deaf?

[tokarnik]

If only the BMPT patria would be sent to Syria! I think the combat vehicle would have corrected everything!

[svp67]

Yes, the 30-mm BMP-2 cannon is good for these purposes, but the ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23 mounted on a self-propelled chassis are just as good, and the S-60 ZU could have made the life of these "living firefighters" very short, including medium armored. The main thing is that we still have enough of this metal and it can be safely delivered to Syria.

[voyaka uh]

"Therefore, to find and smash to smithereens any filled with explosives
the car will not be difficult ", - writes the author of the article Roman Katkov" /////

To smash into smithereens - it is clear, from 30 mm guns.

But how to detect?

[avg-mgn]

Quote: voyaka uh

To smash into smithereens - it is clear, from 30 mm guns.
But how to detect?

Do you think that here they will directly rush to set forth the methods and tactics of counter-terrorism measures?
Why do you need this?

[voyaka uh]

What do you mean why? Our fighters are also rampaging. That's interesting
learn from the experience of others.
With these exploding machines, like this: 80% of the difficulty is to determine
that it’s about to explode, and 20% of the difficulty is to destroy it.

[loki565]

BMP2 is not the best option, there is no target tracking machine so it’ll get horseradish by car. It can shoot accurately only at a standing target, of course there are videos where BMP2 crashes a jet, but this is more advertising than true. For the destruction of an armored van, a tunguska is better suited (the shilka may not break through) the main thing is dust and smoke, as it accompanies the target with multi-channel including radar. This tragic video shows that a tank shot raises a cloud of sand and dust, nobody sees anything and shoots anywhere, when the car comes out of the cloud it is too close and the tragedy can no longer be prevented. So I'm for tunguska.

[loki565]

Who has no arguments, he stupidly minus)))

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: loki565

It’s better to destroy an armored van

[Jack-b]

Better but more expensive, and less, and not always in the right place.

[MACCABI-TLV]

tank columns he should not cover, but the gum.mission should.

[your1970]

This is some kind of crap - not a checkpoint, a group of people who went into the desert with incomprehensible goals. What do two cars and a tank do in the middle of the desert without infantry cover (without which tanks burn everywhere and always) ?? If this is a military operation, where are the troops ?? Where is the artillery allowing to cover large areas in a fairly small country? Where is the aircraft? Where is the interaction with neighbors? Visibility 20 km minimum, 48 seconds video-i.e. they saw him minimum (!!!) per kilometer distance...
I understand - Chechnya and the militants in the mountains have limited visibility, small time intervals for response, elevation differences, Israel and militant settlements, civilians, problems with the identification of such vehicles, it is impossible to strip from all trunks from left to right ..
But here it is - maximum visibility (the table is almost), the deliberate absence of its troops and the presence of the enemy - shoot exactly at any target at any range and everything will be fine.
No - 15 people were sitting in the middle of the desert, waiting for someone to arrive, they waited ..

ZY And you are blocks, a snake, mines, an inspection ......

[avg-mgn]

If you have the right, with admission to the special library, well, but no, so clear the question.

[Jack-b]

According to experts, over time, such a threat will only grow

I wonder where the experts are so confident? I read an article about suicide bombers, it states that suicide bombers are a very expensive pleasure, and most importantly, it is very difficult to prepare a suicide bomber. A bomber capable of "effectively dying" is being prepared for a long and difficult time. The process is costly and good specialists are needed for this work. There are, of course, "cheap" suicide bombers, but they usually do not fulfill their mission. Either they explode ahead of time without causing damage, or they are quickly calculated and destroyed. A "quality" suicide bomber is worth its weight in gold. But with gold from the Islamists, the further the worse.

[Flatter]

Organizational methods-posters, with a requirement to reduce speed, check documents, 300-400 meters from the post, with the obligatory exit from technical equipment.