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The C-350 prototype is nearing completion

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Creation of a prototype of the C-350 SAMs is nearing completion, the system will go to the troops in a timely manner, transfers RIA News a message from the head of the anti-aircraft missile troops section of the command of the air defense and anti-missile defense forces of the Russian Federation Sergei Babakov.




“Now the production of a prototype is nearing completion, preliminary tests are being conducted. I am sure that this system will go to the troops on time ”,
reported Babakov.

According to him, the Vityaz C-350 ZRS is a self-propelled launcher that works in conjunction with an all-radar with electronic scanning of space and a command post based on the chassis of a special BAZ vehicle. ”

He noted that "the complex’s ammunition includes medium-range missiles used in the C-400 missiles and short-range missiles."

The new complexes will be replaced in the C-300 ZRS troops with B55P missiles.
Photos used:
http://vitalykuzmin.net
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  1. bulvas
    bulvas 26 June 2016 11: 40
    +1
    Is the photo correct?

    Rockets are very small
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 26 June 2016 11: 45
      +4
      Quote: bulvas
      Rockets are very small

      Very similar to Buka-M3 containers. Maybe they have the same missiles?
      1. Mengad
        Mengad 26 June 2016 11: 55
        +37
        quote: ,, For missiles, a “cold" vertical start is used — before starting the marching engine, they are thrown out of the container to a height of more than 30 meters and, when rising to this height, are deployed towards the target using a gas-dynamic system. Due to this, the minimum interception range is significantly reduced. The gas-dynamic system also provides the rocket with a super-maneuverability mode and is capable of increasing the rocket overload by 0,025g in 20 s. The 9M96E2 missile is optimized to combat WTO, KR and BR, equipped with warhead weighing 24 kg and small-sized equipment, 4 times lighter than SAM 48N6 and in its main characteristics is practically not inferior to the latter, the end of the quote. source http://vpk.name/library/f/vityaz.html
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 June 2016 12: 00
        +9
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Very similar to Buka-M3 containers. Maybe they have the same missiles?

        9M96 missiles designed for Vityaz-type air defense systems and were never intended to be used as part of other air defense systems
        1. renics
          renics 26 June 2016 19: 14
          +1
          Full information.
          http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/index-1060.html
          S-350 / 50R6 / 50R6A Vityaz
          DATA FOR 2013 (standard replenishment)
          Complex S-350 / 50R6 / 50R6A "Vityaz" / ROC "Vityaz-PVO"
          1. PKK
            PKK 26 June 2016 20: 21
            +1
            Professionals enlighten how the system will work if hundreds of drones fly on it from all sides in a short period of time? This question has recently started to interest me. The question is of course stupid, layered system and all that. But nothing prevents the enemy from poisoning thousands of flying drones. Then what?
            1. Bronis
              Bronis 26 June 2016 20: 43
              +18
              Quote: PKK
              Enlighten professionals, how will the system work if hundreds of drones fly on it from all sides in a short period of time? This question has recently started to interest me.

              Not a professional ... but ...
              1. What drones ...? It’s one thing - like Global Hock, another - like a ripper, and a third - like X47V. But the first is a high-altitude scout, the third is generally closed. The ripper remains ...
              2. Suppose they even exist in such a quantity ... although I do not quite understand what they can do and why ... the speed is 300-350 km / h. ceiling 12-15 km. Armament - 600-800 kg short-range. rather weak ... In most cases, "torus" or "Pantsyr" is enough for them. And most importantly, remote control ... EW to help them.
              So far, the existing UAVs are able to carry out reconnaissance and strike only against the obviously weakest enemy and is very episodic. for which they were created

              Conclusion: how to say it ... do not watch American blockbusters ...
              1. PKK
                PKK 27 June 2016 06: 00
                -16%
                Interestingly, you tried to lull me. Why did you need it? Do you want to blur the topic, release it on the brakes? Theoretically justify the impossibility of a mass attack on air defense systems. From here it becomes clear who you are working for. which needs to be prepared today. Then it will be too late.
                1. Bronis
                  Bronis 27 June 2016 08: 40
                  +11
                  Quote: PKK
                  Interestingly, you tried to lull me. Why did you need it? Do you want to blur the topic, release it on the brakes? Theoretically justify the impossibility of a mass attack on air defense systems. From here it becomes clear who you are working for. which needs to be prepared today. Then it will be too late.

                  To lull ... yes ... of course. After all, today, perhaps, you need to get up for extended school at school ....
                  And as for whom I work ... Do not think too highly of yourself, dear.
                  And please listen to someone else's point of view more calmly. There is something to be said in essence - say no, it’s better not to ... Advice for the future. Sorry if I offended you. hi
                2. leytenant
                  leytenant 27 June 2016 15: 31
                  +3
                  Dear, your poor knowledge of the essence of this issue does not give you ANY moral right to rude and put forward assumptions about the work of an adequate VO member on the side of a potential adversary. I have the honor.
                  1. PKK
                    PKK 27 June 2016 16: 01
                    -5
                    Information about the upcoming massive drone attacks not only on air defense, but also on other types of troops is no longer a secret for many, but not for you. Adequacy is clearly not enough for you. Even if you start your own thought process, it will tell you that mass this is a real way to break through. Yes, it was always not theoretically but practically. The same ships always had more missiles than the enemy defenses could repel. And the question was for professionals, why climb with an answer if it’s far from the topic.
                3. oblako
                  oblako 29 June 2016 04: 21
                  0
                  Imaginary threats are usually answered with imaginary weapons, laser air defense for example, well, and electronic warfare has already proved to be quite good in the fight against drones, I'm not talking about mosquito nets and barrage balloons)))
                  1. complete zero
                    complete zero 29 June 2016 08: 27
                    0
                    about "laser air defense" where have you seen enough in blockbuster?)))) so this is your respected time to school, and more about the physical principles of the laser you do not petrite ... (excuse me) ... and you were correctly pointed out about a possible MASS attack UAV in the position of an air defense missile system (what is not real and impossible here?) ... are you and you like only "pluses and minuses" important on the site?
            2. venik
              venik 26 June 2016 21: 08
              +8
              Quote: PKK
              Professionals enlighten how the system will work if hundreds of drones fly on it from all sides in a short period of time



              PURE THEORETICALLY this is possible ... PRACTICAL - NEVER !!!! This is generally asking a question like: "What will happen if 500 rabbits attack 1 wolf? !!"
              In a war, the duchet is luxe, everything is much simpler (and more complicated at the same time). In the same Operation Freedom of Galilee, the Israelis really widely (one might say massively) used "drones" to force the Syrian complexes to spend missiles, but in fact it was a VERY SMALL part of a carefully thought out and planned operation ...
            3. The stranger
              The stranger 27 June 2016 23: 31
              +1
              Hitchcock recently opened? :) "Birds"? :)
              But nothing will happen. No one has such a flock of such drones. And to appear - that car will be carried away to the nest, and fed to the drones.

              Do you want an old army bike?
              Divorce of the guards. The inspector asks the chief of the guard: The enemy removed all the sentries, surrounded the guardhouse, machine guns stick out in all the windows. Your actions?
              He scratched his turnips - I will command!
              Is he coming? Cho will command something?
              To prayer - remove hats!
        2. Inok10
          Inok10 26 June 2016 19: 42
          +7
          Quote: Vadivak
          9M96 missiles designed for Vityaz-type air defense systems and were never intended to be used as part of other air defense systems

          ... request people start to scare me with materiel such knowledge ... 9M96 and 9M96M as part of the ammunition starting from S-300PM2 ... that is, S-300PM2 / S-400 and now S-350 ... four TPKs with 9M96 / 9M96M missiles for standard place SAM 48N6E / E2 / E3 ... clearly ... hi
        3. Alex777
          Alex777 27 June 2016 10: 10
          0

          Quote: Vadivak
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Very similar to Buka-M3 containers. Maybe they have the same missiles?

          9M96 missiles designed for Vityaz-type air defense systems and were never intended to be used as part of other air defense systems


          How do you like this picture? There are a lot of them. hi
      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 26 June 2016 12: 04
        +2
        100% hit)) Shasi current is different.
      4. ,
        , 26 June 2016 12: 06
        +4
        Well, right. Not for nothing, our president said, we all know. Here is our answer. Do you have to get out of business trip faster angry
      5. Barakuda
        Barakuda 26 June 2016 12: 25
        +8
        I "pawed" both the Buk and the S-300, even the S-200, the Ural is at least needed there.
        Not the right containers.
      6. Pavel1
        Pavel1 26 June 2016 12: 40
        +6
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Very similar to Buka-M3 containers. Maybe they have the same missiles?

        3m has a range of 70km, and on the 350th, replacing the c300 means at least 100km.
        1. renics
          renics 26 June 2016 19: 23
          +4
          The main tactical and technical characteristics of the S-350 50R6A "Vityaz" air defense system
          The maximum number of simultaneously fired targets:
          - aerodynamic - 16
          - ballistic - 12
          The maximum number of simultaneously induced missiles - 32
          Aerodynamic damage area:
          - by distance - 1500 ... 60000 m
          - in height - 10 ... 30000 m
          Ballistic target area:
          - by distance - 1500 ... 30000 m
          - in height - 2000 ... 25000 m
          Time to bring the means into combat readiness from the march - 5 min
          http://vpk.name/library/f/vityaz.html
      7. venik
        venik 26 June 2016 13: 52
        +7
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Very similar to Buka-M3 containers. Maybe they have the same missiles?


        No! Rockets are different! Buk-M3 uses 9M317M missiles (a further development of 9M317 missiles used in earlier versions of the Buk air defense missile system), and Vityaz uses 9M96E and 9M96E2 (used in some versions of the S-300 and S-400).
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 26 June 2016 15: 00
          +2
          Quote: venik
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Very similar to Buka-M3 containers. Maybe they have the same missiles?


          No! Rockets are different! Buk-M3 uses 9M317M missiles (a further development of 9M317 missiles used in earlier versions of the Buk air defense missile system), and Vityaz uses 9M96E and 9M96E2 (used in some versions of the S-300 and S-400).


          Buk-M3 rockets from Calm uses.
          Very different from old Buk missiles.
          I represent the difference between Calm and Buk.
          Guidance is organized in a fundamentally different way.
      8. adept666
        adept666 26 June 2016 13: 54
        +5
        Very similar to Buka-M3 containers. Maybe they have the same missiles?
        No. Vityaz has several types of missiles, since the S-350 is a ground version of the Redut complex, this is a unified solution with a naval air defense system, which, for example, is based on frigates 22350, so we can safely assume that the loading options are exactly the same up to 4 short-range missiles on one rail and you can collect the package on one BM to replace Thor, Buk and S-300 at the same time (IMHO and do not scold him repeat )
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 June 2016 00: 50
          +1
          Quote: adept666
          you can collect the package on one BM to replace Thor, Buk and S-300 at the same time (IMHO and do not scold for it)

          It is possible, but not necessary ... The S-300 will be replaced as I understand it gradually with the S-400 and S-350 in parallel. What will be the percentage of replacement is difficult to say, but I think everything will converge to the price difference.
          As for the Torahs, Bukos and Carapace, so why replace them then? Each SAM has its own niche, and specialization. The shells are covering the same S-400s, and are fighting fine with the KR and UAVs, Torahs with fighters, UAVs at medium distances, Buki as well ... For example, the S-500 will not go to replace the same 300s or 400s, and it will monitor near space and work on ICBMs and, in the future, on hyper-fast aircraft, expanding the capabilities of our missile defense system. Yes and 300 will serve for at least another ten years.
          1. adept666
            adept666 30 June 2016 13: 57
            0
            It is possible, but not necessary ... The S-300 will be replaced by what I understand gradually on the S-400 and S-350
            That's right, but the S-300 have several modifications, so IMHO S-400 will replace S-300PM2 (Favorite), S-350 covers the ranges of S-300PS and Buk, so it will most likely change them.
            With regards to Thors, Bukos and Shell, so why replace them then?
            Universality of application. In order for the same S-400 to manage its RTS, the S-300 launchers, Buk, Tor and Shell are needed special. means like Rangir-M, and S-350 can nominally be included in a single control post of S-400 and close the near and middle zone while also ensuring self-defense against massive shelling of the Kyrgyz Republic as they have solid ammunition on one launcher (if they can use 9M100 , then this is 48 missiles for the last line of defense of the air defense / missile defense position, which is not sour agree)
            For example, the S-500 will not go to replace the same 300s or 400s, but will track near space and work on ICBMs.
            This is all done with a pitchfork, the fact that airborne interception missiles will appear in the S-500 automatically does not mean that he will not be able to control the same S-400 and S-350 launchers with his RTS or will not be able to use the RTS of these complexes regularly. Now I see a tendency to link the three complexes (S-350, S-400, S-500) into a single control system. Wait and see.
      9. Alex777
        Alex777 26 June 2016 14: 57
        +2
        In general, missiles are not like Buk.
        Everything else from the name to the principles of guidance.
        Read about 9M96 and 9M100 rockets somewhere.
        A Buk M3 - 9M317M. hi
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 26 June 2016 15: 27
          +5
          Thank you all for the clarification! I read about these missiles and realized the incorrectness of my assumption.
          Special thanks to those who, knowing the topic, did not automatically set a minus, but clearly explained my errors! hi
      10. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 26 June 2016 17: 52
        +2
        You are right, this thing is in the photo, but in a more modern version of the ammunition.
        And so, for information, the Bukov regiment in Yevpatoriya was reduced to zero. There is nothing special to upgrade.
    2. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 26 June 2016 11: 45
      +16
      Someone small. And someone will be just right! laughing
    3. cniza
      cniza 26 June 2016 11: 47
      +8
      Of course, we don’t know much, but if there is already C-500, then what function will C-350 carry? Is he cheaper? Prompt, tell me.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 26 June 2016 11: 55
        +5
        The customer requested that they beat further than the S-300 and shorter than the S-400. The master is the master. Here, the matter is also connected with export. And the variability in modernization is only pleasing.
      3. Wiruz
        Wiruz 26 June 2016 12: 01
        +24
        Of course, we don’t know much, but if there is already C-500, then what function will C-350 carry? Is he cheaper? Prompt, tell me.

        S-500 is not only air defense, but also missile defense. It will hit targets at a distance of up to 600 km, at altitudes of up to 200 km, with a flight speed of up to 7km / s.
        S-350 is such a compact air defense system. The flight range of existing missiles is 120-150 km (they say that it will be 200-250 km), the high-altitude ceiling is about 30 km, and the maximum target speed is up to 1 km / s.

        In short, the S-500 is a 12,7 mm "fool", and the S-350 is a 7,62 mm rifle. hi
        1. gg.na
          gg.na 26 June 2016 16: 53
          +6
          Quote: Wiruz
          The S-500 is a 12,7 mm "fool", while the S-350 is a 7,62 mm rifle.

          Thank you for the clear explanation! Extremely clearly told and intelligibly! good
      4. Thrall
        Thrall 26 June 2016 12: 01
        +7
        Quote: cniza
        Of course, we don’t know much, but if there is already C-500, then what function will C-350 carry? Is he cheaper? Prompt, tell me.

        In the export version - the function of the insurance policy from intrusive overseas democratization.
      5. figwam
        figwam 26 June 2016 12: 01
        +18
        Quote: cniza
        Of course, we don’t know much, but if there is already C-500, then what function will C-350 carry? Is he cheaper? Prompt, tell me.

        Create layered air defense.
        C-500
        C-400
        C-350
        C-300
        BEECH
        TOP
        Shell
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 26 June 2016 12: 20
          +24
          figwam hi
          Create layered air defense.
          C-500
          C-400
          C-350
          C-300
          BEECH
          TOP
          Shell

          I want to add:
          "Srela" 10
          "Willow"
          zu-23 and its modifications
          each tank weapon capable of firing guided missiles
          All 30mm guns per BMP and 57mm developed
          Good old RPG-7 (By the way, for this purpose it’s possible to use Coca for close combat and a charge for it specially. And so on the luck and skill of the pellet launcher.
          Anti-helicopter mines
          In general, NATO "welcome to Russia" laughing
          1. gg.na
            gg.na 26 June 2016 16: 56
            +6
            Quote: Observer2014
            In general, NATO "welcome to Russia"

            Well painted good !!! Fun pancake laughing !!! You, as always, +++++++++ !!!! yes
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 26 June 2016 17: 26
            +11
            Quote: Observer2014
            each tank weapon capable of firing guided missiles

            And missiles too? belay
            But in general:
          3. The stranger
            The stranger 27 June 2016 23: 40
            +1
            And as a child I read in a book that in the defense of Sevastopol, sailors shot down Stuck from a mortar.
            And in the 91st, an Iraqi peasant shot down Apache from a hunting rifle.
        2. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 26 June 2016 12: 21
          +7
          Quote: figvam
          C-300
          BEECH
          TOP
          Shell

          C-300 is a whole family, C-300PM2 is modern, C-300В is mainly designed to fight against OTP and its ability to fight aviation is worse than C-300П. The air defense system Buk and Thor are complexes of land forces and do not carry permanent duty.
          1. figwam
            figwam 26 June 2016 12: 40
            +6
            SAM BUK - Anti-aircraft missile system can be used for air defense of troops, military installations, important administrative and industrial and other areas (centers) with a massive use of air attack, and also be a module tactical missile defense.
            SAM TOR - Self-propelled self-propelled anti-aircraft missile system is designed for air defense of motorized rifle and tank divisions in all types of military operations and in areas of concentration, as well as for protecting against military attacks, economic and other targets at a tactical level. SAM can effectively fight against various types of missiles (including cruise and anti-radar), unmanned aerial vehicles, aircraft bombs, aircraft and helicopters of the enemy.
            ZRPK Pantsyr - designed for the short-range protection of civilian and military installations (including long-range air defense systems) from all modern and promising air attack weapons. It can also protect the defended object from ground and surface threats.
            1. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 26 June 2016 14: 29
              +3
              Quote: figvam
              SAM BUK - Anti-aircraft missile system can be used for air defense of troops, military installations, important administrative and industrial and other areas (centers) with a massive use of air attack, and also be a module tactical missile defense.

              This is you advertising brochures have been reading No. Can you imagine the living conditions in the Buk air defense missile system adapted for escorting tank columns and in the S-300P cockpits? Almost every day I communicate with a man who has given up air defense for half his life and who has written quite a few articles on this topic on this site. So I also unwittingly picked up something.
              1. figwam
                figwam 26 June 2016 18: 15
                +1
                Quote: zyablik.olga
                This is you advertising brochures have been reading No. Can you imagine the living conditions in the Buk air defense missile system adapted for escorting tank columns and in the S-300P cockpits? Almost every day I communicate with a man who has given up air defense for half his life and who has written quite a few articles on this topic on this site. So I also unwittingly picked up something.

                You probably talk about peacetime, but I'm talking about fighting. All these complexes will protect the sky in the event of a global airstrike. By the way, Ukrainian BUKs in the conflict on 08.08.08, somehow, were on duty and shot down our planes.
                1. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 27 June 2016 02: 35
                  +2
                  Quote: figvam
                  By the way, the Ukrainian BUKI in the 08.08.08 conflict, somehow, our aircraft were on duty and shot down.

                  Formally with Georgian, but partly with Ukrainian calculations. You do not look that I am a girl, I assure you in some matters I am informed at least as well as you. Georgian air defense systems were not on duty, but took part in the hostilities. DB is a long-term service in constant readiness mode. I will repeat once more - the Buk military complexes in their current form are of little use for carrying long-term missile launchers. In addition, the troops of the "Bukovsk" brigades are several times less than the S-300P regiments.
                  1. figwam
                    figwam 27 June 2016 21: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: zyablik.olga

                    DB is a long-term service in constant readiness mode. I will repeat once more - the Buk military complexes in their current form are of little use for carrying long-term missile launchers. ...

                    I repeat once again, I'm not talking about military duty in peacetime, but talking about military operations, where all available air defense will cover dangerous areas and you will have to watch on duty, as these guys were on duty.
              2. Parsec
                Parsec 26 June 2016 20: 26
                0
                Quote: zyablik.olga
                Can you imagine the living conditions in the Buk air defense missile system adapted for escorting tank columns and in the S-300P cockpits?


                Where did the phrase (exactly the phrase) "to escort tank columns" come from?
                Medium-range air defense systems do not walk in tank columns, they cover them from a position, from a radar-friendly position.

                How do you imagine the conditions of habitability in the elements of the Buk air defense system and in the C-300P cabins?

                And moreover, how do these living conditions affect the inclusion of the complex in the air defense group?

                Communication, of course, is a source of scrap, but it would be better to operate on the level of knowledge, rather than oral legends and legends.
                1. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 27 June 2016 02: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Parsec
                  Where did the phrase (exactly the phrase) "to escort tank columns" come from?
                  Medium-range air defense systems do not walk in tank columns, they cover them from a position, from a radar-friendly position.

                  Certainly, but when creating the ancestor of Buk - ZRK Cube, this condition was put. One way or another, military complexes should be able to escort covered units on the march.
                  Quote: Parsec
                  How do you imagine the conditions of habitability in the elements of the Buk air defense system and in the C-300P cabins?


                  I was not in the Buk's cockpit, but I did it in the S-300PS. Would you personally prefer to be in which car in winter in cold weather or in summer in heat?
                2. The stranger
                  The stranger 27 June 2016 23: 17
                  +1
                  And this is not an empty phrase, but a whole technology.
                  The same UAZ - Kozlik - even he is from this row :)
                  In the tank column, and around it, with it, without any battle, few tenant. There, after the first company, the rut is what your horror film is, and it's on normal hard ground. When the dust is still dry with such pillars that the helicopter pilots spit and bite - do not want to meddle. In it, yes, all around, at the speed of light rush about the destroyers, who were brutalized by fatigue and nerves, and give everyone horns, and civilians. Wheeled small fry, as it is able to fight for survival too. All of a sudden wildly fall in love with their gunners, signalmen, especially sappers, and do not let anyone climb between them. Tow trucks and repairmen are not enough at all.
                  And among all this nightmare, who just touch the ordered place, and who work. Drivers, scouts, security, and so are the air defense - too. Hence the special requirements for the technique, which is also obliged to tighten. How people are bound to know what to do. Soldier's craft - it is simple, but whoever does not know - that is death. That's wrong technique - too kayuk. Yes, and people entrusted to her and boxes will not save. It is for all together, and not anyhow as individually. After all, each in itself is a corpse, and indeed all matters.
                  No, don’t think, everyone is friendly, everyone respects and loves each other, just to help each one just like that for everyone - he has no right at all. You just can't even stop, you can’t take it, and for three days it’s amateurish to repair a broken Beech, because with its loader, for example, you have a common canister of alcohol in your barracks.
                  Well, something like that, accompanied by tank collon :)
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 June 2016 13: 39
          +5
          A long-range missile for C 400 adopted?
          1. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 26 June 2016 14: 32
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            A long-range missile for C 400 adopted?

            What do you think? Our figures from the Ministry of Defense and politicians would not miss the opportunity to popiaritsya on this news.
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 27 June 2016 10: 22
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            A long-range missile for C 400 adopted?


            Adopted at the end of last year.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 27 June 2016 12: 32
              +1
              Quote: Alex777
              Adopted at the end of last year.

              The source of information do not share?
      6. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 June 2016 12: 12
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        Of course, we don’t know much, but if there is already C-500, then what function will C-350 carry? Is he cheaper? Prompt, tell me.


        It does not replace distant systems. It replaces only old modifications of the S-300. it differs from the s-400 and s-500 in the range and speed of its missiles as well as in the size of the warhead.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 26 June 2016 12: 32
          +1
          I warn the user of the DVG if you continue to mock the comments, I will pose a question about your blocking
      7. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 26 June 2016 12: 16
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        Of course, we don’t know much, but if there is already C-500, then what function will C-350 carry? Is he cheaper? Prompt, tell me.

        As it has already been written on the site more than once (even there were articles on this topic). C-500 is a mobile anti-missile system designed to protect against BRs and fight with satellites in low orbits, and it is too expensive to use it to fight aviation. Especially mass because of the high cost of the system itself and the missiles it will never become. C-350 is designed to replace the aging C-300PS built 80-s, which in our army is still a lot. In the future, the C-350 should become the main anti-aircraft object-defense system and be operated in the next 30 years along with the C-300PM2 and C-400.
      8. ilya_oz
        ilya_oz 26 June 2016 12: 47
        +5
        S-500 to combat AWACS, ballistic missiles and satellites at the NOU. Shooting front-line aviation with huge missiles is expensive and not very effective.
      9. Dart2027
        Dart2027 26 June 2016 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        but if there is already an S-500, then what function will the S-350 have

        500 is designed for long distances, and 350 works at medium distances. Separated defense.
      10. venik
        venik 26 June 2016 14: 07
        +5
        Quote: cniza
        Of course, we don’t know much, but if there is already an S-500, then what function will the S-350 have? Is it cheaper? experts tell me


        Significantly cheaper! The complex does not include: A long-range detection station, an all-altitude detector, and masts with an antenna for a detector of low-altitude targets. They simply are not needed there, because it has a limited (compared to the S-400 and S-500) area of ​​responsibility (up to 120 km in range and up to 30 km in height).
        In addition, KP and radar detection and target designation (in one bottle) are much simpler in design (including because they are designed to intercept mainly aerodynamic targets). The complex, in addition to everything, can exchange data with higher KPs and the same S-400 and S-500.
        In general - a very successful addition to these systems.
    4. Wiruz
      Wiruz 26 June 2016 11: 49
      +2
      Rather compact. I don’t remember the exact performance characteristics, but with a mass of 420 kg, the 9M96M rocket has a range of 120-150 km, which is very good. Only the effectiveness of such a weak warhead is doubtful - only 24 kg, but they say that managed what
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 June 2016 12: 14
        +4
        Quote: Wiruz
        such a weak warhead - only 24 kg, but they say that managed

        equipped with an “intellectual” warhead, it ensures the defeat of both modern and promising air attack weapons in a wide range of their combat use - from cruise missiles and fighters, to ballistic missiles and strategic bombers. It catches everything that flies above 10 m
      2. venik
        venik 26 June 2016 14: 30
        +3
        Quote: Wiruz
        Only the effectiveness of such a weak warhead is doubtful - only 24 kg, but they say that managed



        There, aiming accuracy is higher (less likely to miss) and, in addition, the technology of "directional detonation" is used. the detonation is initiated in such a way that the fragments do not fly 360 degrees, but most of them fly in a certain, "necessary" direction! So you can significantly reduce the mass of the warhead, while maintaining the same (or even higher) probability of hitting the target !!!
    5. berezin1987
      berezin1987 26 June 2016 11: 52
      +3
      The missiles are equipped with an active seeker, which reduced the warhead mass due to a closer detonation.
    6. Khariton
      Khariton 26 June 2016 11: 55
      0
      Quote: bulvas
      Is the photo correct?

      Rockets are very small

      Hopefully rocket containers reload quickly! THING!
    7. vodolaz
      vodolaz 26 June 2016 12: 00
      +9
      As I understand it, the photo is correct, markings are visible on board, clearly from the exhibition.
    8. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 26 June 2016 12: 04
      +4
      12 pieces of medium range approximately 20-50km march support system.
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 26 June 2016 12: 25
        +1
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        12 pieces of medium range approximately 20-50km march support system.

        in this configuration, most likely not. complex for videoconferencing - "Stationary object air defense". Army complexes are self-propelled. The analogue is rather "Buk".
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 26 June 2016 12: 43
        +9
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        12 pieces of medium range approximately 20-50km march support system.

        This is an object complex designed to carry a long database.
        Quote: Vadivak
        Sasha "three hundred" still fully meets the needs of the military department
        Does not satisfy No.
        Most of the C-300PS is to be decommissioned in the coming years due to obsolescence and wear and tear close to the limit, in addition, the 5В55Р / 5В55РМ missiles have not been produced for a long time.
      3. venik
        venik 26 June 2016 17: 20
        +6
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        12 pieces of medium range approximately 20-50km march support system.


        Firstly! Not from 20 to 50, but from 40 to 120/150! This time!
        Secondly! The very configuration of the system (separately the radar, separately - the command post, separately the launcher and everything on the WHEELED chassis, practically unarmored), suggests that THIS system does not in any way belong to the Military Air Defense, and certainly WILL NOT (and it cannot!) accompany the tank columns on the march !!! For this there are "Torah", "Armor" and "Buki" ...
        The S-350 is a purely "OBJECT" complex. Previously, they belonged to the country's air defense.
    9. BOB044
      BOB044 26 June 2016 12: 07
      +3
      Is the photo correct?

      Rockets are very small
      Small and remote.
    10. Bronis
      Bronis 26 June 2016 12: 18
      +5
      Quote: bulvas
      Is the photo correct?
      Rockets are very small

      All is correct. For the C-300 and C-400, a fairly large number of types of missiles have been developed. Naturally, the long-range missile is larger than the average missile in size. for example, you can compare 9M96 and 48Н6 (in the background). What is called, feel the difference.
      Now what is the S-350 for? Air defense is a kind of "onion" and at each "turn" of this line must have its own shield. for the Aerospace Forces it will be the S-500 missile defense and long-range air defense, the S-400 - the long-range air defense, to a lesser extent the missile defense, the S-350 - the medium-range air defense. Well, the "shells" cover all this economy (self-defense). The military air defense has its own bulb. And what about the S-350 - just good, why use the "long-range" S-400 with 4 launchers, if you can use the S-350 with 12 ... it is more efficient and cheaper. And the fact that they declare that the S-350 changes the S-300 - so there is no trouble. S-300P, PS, PM are not exactly the same ...
      And not so small containers can be there.
      1. Alexx40in
        Alexx40in 26 June 2016 12: 54
        +4
        Quote: Bronis

        All is correct. For the S-300 and S-400 developed a fairly large number of types of missiles. Naturally, the long-range missile is larger in size than the average missile. for example, you can compare 9M96 and 48N6 (in the background).

        I read somewhere that in addition to defensive missiles, offensive missiles can also be "loaded" into the American missile defense system in Europe. Interestingly, purely theoretically, do we have a similar rocket? Which can be placed on C-XXX systems? For example, in the event of a sharp exacerbation of the international situation, termination of treaties, etc.?
        1. Bronis
          Bronis 26 June 2016 13: 09
          +5
          Quote: Alexx40in
          Interestingly, theoretically, do we have a similar rocket? Which can be placed on C-XXX systems? For example, in the event of a sharp aggravation of the international situation, the termination of contracts, etc.?

          What for. The Iskander can accommodate the R-500 cruise missile (a development of the S-10 Granat). And why is this necessary for the S-300/400/500? as "universal calculations" for missile defense / air defense and missile forces and artillery how to prepare?, it will be amusing to see how all this will then be controlled by the SV-VKS. This is generally redundant. Although, for example, most naval air defense systems can work on ships. but there it is justified.
          In the case of the Americans, they used elements of a naval missile defense system ... The Mk41 UVP can launch both anti-aircraft "standards" and completely "ground" Tomahawks. As one bear used to say: "This is zhzhzhzhzhzh not casual"
          1. PKK
            PKK 26 June 2016 20: 38
            0
            It makes sense to charge an air defense missile across the Earth. At first, it’s purely political: we have not an offensive Iskander, but an defensive anti-aircraft gun close to the border. Secondly, the air defense missiles are the fastest, so the enemy does not have time to blink, and a missile flies into its control gear. to introduce a flight mission, the guidance system is different, but it is solvable.
          2. spravochnik
            spravochnik 27 June 2016 09: 42
            0
            Quote: Bronis
            What for. The Iskander can accommodate the R-500 cruise missile (a development of the S-10 Granat). And why is this necessary for the S-300/400/500? as "universal calculations" for missile defense / air defense and missile forces and artillery how to prepare?, it will be amusing to see how all this will then be controlled by the SV-VKS. This is generally redundant. Although, for example, most naval air defense systems can work on ships. but there it is justified.
            In the case of the Americans, they used elements of a naval missile defense system ... The Mk41 UVP can launch both anti-aircraft "standards" and completely "ground" Tomahawks. As one bear used to say: "This is zhzhzhzhzhzh not casual"


            All domestic air defense systems have the ability to fire ground targets. Moreover, exercises with such firing are conducted. Although this is more typical for military air defense systems.
        2. Wiruz
          Wiruz 26 June 2016 13: 16
          -9
          I read somewhere that in addition to defensive missiles, offensive missiles can also be "loaded" into the American missile defense system in Europe. Interestingly, purely theoretically, do we have a similar rocket? Which can be placed on C-XXX systems? For example, in the event of a sharp exacerbation of the international situation, termination of treaties, etc.?

          Call the FSB reception! Specialists will personally come to your home and explain everything. laughing
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 26 June 2016 15: 35
            +2
            The fact that C-300 on tanks at the exercises worked out no secrets. Another question: is it really necessary? And isn't it a little expensive?
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 27 June 2016 07: 48
              +1
              Quote: samoletil18
              The fact that C-300 on tanks at the exercises worked out no secrets. Another question: is it really necessary? And isn't it a little expensive?

              How can tanks be destroyed using the 5B55P missiles? wassat They have never been trained on "tanks" No. In my memory 10 years ago there were launches for the destruction of a conventional landing force that landed on the coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. With an airborne low-altitude detonation of missiles, a manpower and lightly armored vehicles may be damaged, tanks can only be destroyed with a missile with a special warhead.
    11. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 26 June 2016 13: 38
      +1
      Short-range system. There is also "Morpheus", but there is no rumor or spirit about it yet.
      Quote: bulvas
      Is the photo correct?

      Rockets are very small
    12. adept666
      adept666 26 June 2016 13: 47
      +1
      Is the photo correct?

      Correct.
      Rockets are very small

      Compact but long-range smile
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    15. sub307
      sub307 26 June 2016 16: 43
      +2
      LAUNCHER 50P6E
      The launcher is designed for transportation, storage, automatic prelaunch preparation and launch of anti-aircraft guided missiles
      The number of anti-aircraft guided missiles on the launcher is -12.
      Minimum interval between launches of anti-aircraft guided missiles - 2 s
      Charging / discharging time - 30 min.
      The maximum distance to the combat control point is 2 km
  2. avvg
    avvg 26 June 2016 11: 41
    +6
    In my opinion, it would not be bad for all gene designers in the military-industrial complex, they deserve to install monuments or a memorial plaque, and not Mannerheim.
  3. Wiruz
    Wiruz 26 June 2016 11: 42
    -2
    Do you need him? What for? All the same missiles from the 9M96 family can be launched through the S-400 what
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 June 2016 11: 46
    +8
    We’ll be late until they accept, while deliveries begin ........ A couple of years earlier sad
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 26 June 2016 11: 55
      +2
      Strategic Missile Forces and the construction of over-the-horizon radars are a more important task. Until they can attack suddenly and without consequences, they will not climb
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 26 June 2016 11: 55
      +1
      Everything as usual. They promised to accept it back in 2015. I strongly doubt that they will accept it until the end of the current one. But, each time, at the mention of this SAM, they will throw statements about how modern, powerful, unparalleled it is, etc.

      In general, if we judge, we do not need C-350. It was originally created, sort of, for export. His entire arsenal of anti-aircraft missiles can be launched through the C-400, and there will no longer be 12 missiles, but 16.
      1. figwam
        figwam 26 June 2016 12: 21
        +3
        Quote: Wiruz
        Everything as usual. They promised to accept it back in 2015. I strongly doubt that they will accept it until the end of the current one. But, each time, at the mention of this SAM, they will throw statements about how modern, powerful, unparalleled it is, etc.

        In general, if we judge, we do not need C-350. It was originally created, sort of, for export. His entire arsenal of anti-aircraft missiles can be launched through the C-400, and there will no longer be 12 missiles, but 16.

        You confuse, the S-350 one launcher has 12 missiles, a total of 8 missiles, and there are 96 missiles.
        The S-400 launcher has 4 missiles, a total of 12 missiles, and there are 48 missiles. It turns out that the ammunition load of the S-350 is doubled.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 26 June 2016 13: 12
          +6
          The S-400 launcher has 4 missiles, a total of 12 missiles, and there are 48 missiles. It turns out that the ammunition load of the S-350 is doubled.

          I do not confuse. At S-400, in place of one SAM 48N6 or 40N6, you can put four 9M96M missiles - a total of sixteen missiles on one launcher. If all PUs in the complex are equipped with such missiles, then this will give 192 (12x16) missiles hi

          Here is an example, where in place of one "heavy" missile there are four "light"
          1. atakan
            atakan 26 June 2016 18: 09
            0
            yes people, they remembered something for a long time about this one.

            + 4 pcs. 9M96E - 1 pcs. 48N6E2
      2. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 26 June 2016 12: 22
        +10
        Quote: Wiruz
        In general, if we judge, we do not need C-350. It was originally created, sort of, for export. His entire arsenal of anti-aircraft missiles can be launched through the C-400, and there will no longer be 12 missiles, but 16.

        Needed! C-350 with a smaller range has a greater fire performance, more compact and much cheaper C-400.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 26 June 2016 12: 46
          +3
          Quote: zyablik.olga
          Needed! C-350 with a smaller range has a greater fire performance, more compact and much cheaper C-400.

          Good girl! good Remember what I told you! wink
    3. hirurg
      hirurg 26 June 2016 12: 01
      +2
      I can say that the guys are not just working, but plowing.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 June 2016 12: 18
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      We’ll be late until we accept, while deliveries begin

      Sasha "three hundred" still fully meets the needs of the military department hi
  5. NordUral
    NordUral 26 June 2016 11: 58
    +1
    I like ammunition, beauty!
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 June 2016 12: 04
    +2
    This is a new S-300 with a MORNED ammunition, and another Buk replacement. During us, South Korea ordered the complex.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 26 June 2016 12: 11
      +5
      He will not be a replacement for Buka
  7. Observer2014
    Observer2014 26 June 2016 12: 06
    +1
    By the way, with the same success, you can make a launcher unnevirsally. Similar to the Armata platform. Hitch any container with missiles and here you have air defense or anti-ship missiles and MLRS. .How do you gentlemen idea? repeat
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 27 June 2016 03: 43
      0
      So they have been doing this for many years (at least 10 at least), they want to make a single complex of air defense + missile defense, tactical and strategic level, for land and sea. For the earth, they want to put everything on one or two types of machines. But this is difficult, and therefore has not been done so far. So far, the only thing that has been decided is that a gas engine is required to be used to correct the flight, both at the start and against moving targets. They also kind of decided that they needed a vertical launch with an ejection, but it seems like someone is against the fleet, something is not converging there. I saw a lot of articles and comments on this topic but did not see anything substantial and sensible ...
  8. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 June 2016 12: 06
    +2
    Waiting for this system. Still, 12 missiles in the launcher solves more than 4.
    In addition, each missile with GOS, which gives a plus to accuracy.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 26 June 2016 12: 13
      +1
      In addition, each missile with GOS, which gives a plus to accuracy

      Remember how Redoubt shot. But this is the same numbed S-350, the same missiles. GOS helped them? No!
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 26 June 2016 16: 28
        +4
        They wrote that last year, PR finally shot back normally
  9. sabakina
    sabakina 26 June 2016 12: 17
    +4
    I wonder who got the cons for the peasants? ... I'll go edit ...
  10. NordUral
    NordUral 26 June 2016 12: 22
    +3
    Good soul man, let him be pampered, do not bother to take the soul away.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 26 June 2016 12: 25
      +1
      And the lodge with him, I’ll go to paint the garage.
  11. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 26 June 2016 12: 22
    +3
    The liberal visited the branch, he put all the minuses !!! and on c350, they did well, put them on the stream and in the troops.
  12. Cat man null
    Cat man null 26 June 2016 12: 25
    +2
    Quote: Observer2014
    each tank weapon capable of firing guided missiles

    Himself (you) is not funny?

    Tanker, if Che. Cobra shot. But for volatile purposes, it does not work :(
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 June 2016 13: 44
      0
      Unless let on a hovering helicopter.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 26 June 2016 22: 11
        +2
        Vadim, a "hovering helicopter" is like a submarine in empty

        Nothing personal :)
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 26 June 2016 14: 32
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Quote: Observer2014
      each tank weapon capable of firing guided missiles

      Himself (you) is not funny?

      Tanker, if Che. Cobra shot. But for volatile purposes, it does not work :(

      I think people mean, it seems to me, KAZ T-14. Theoretically, again, it seems to me, he can shoot down flying KRs, because they fly low. No wonder that AFAR is standing there. Although maybe I'm wrong.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 27 June 2016 11: 45
        0
        Quote: Muvka
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Quote: Observer2014
        each tank weapon capable of firing guided missiles

        Himself (you) is not funny?

        Tanker, if Che. Cobra shot. But for volatile purposes, it does not work :(

        I think people mean, it seems to me, KAZ T-14. Theoretically, again, it seems to me, he can shoot down flying KRs, because they fly low. No wonder that AFAR is standing there. Although maybe I'm wrong.

        First of all. Not every tank gun (in my time. I was about 20 years behind) was capable of "firing guided missiles"
        Secondly. Against the helicopter, the tank (in my times, again) was blind, deaf and dumb. On 64-ke was a cliff, controlled from the inside ... damn it, it's easier to shoot at them from a slingshot ..
        Thirdly. KAZ T-14 (Afganit type, huh?) Has never really been seen in operation. Pictures from the Internet, with "shock cores" - go through the forest.

        You won’t be able to shoot down a helicopter with it .. well, if you are very lucky only.

        PS: I tried not to swear, although I really wanted to ..
    3. Observer2014
      Observer2014 26 June 2016 17: 25
      +1
      Cat man null
      Himself (you) is not funny?

      Tanker, if Che. Cobra shot. But for volatile purposes, it does not work:

      Yes, of course, they lied to us all the time. Even here they lied on the VO "Domestic tank missiles and shells
      24 September 2013 "
      “Reflex” also allows firing at stationary small-sized targets such as bunkers, bunkers and low-speed air targets (helicopter) at ranges up to 5000 m.

      9M119M Invar guided missile


      intended for firing from 125-mm tank guns according to calculations of anti-tank weapons, enemy manpower in open areas or in field-type buildings and shelters, at small ground targets such as embrasure of pillboxes, high-speed equipment, and low-flying low-speed attacking targets. The high probability of hitting, in combination with the great power of the high-explosive charge of the rocket, makes the ZUBK14F shot indispensable for solving many fire missions with minimal ammunition consumption and fire weapons attraction. With the use of 9M119F missiles, it is possible to destroy with one shot well fortified firing points beyond the range of the enemy’s retaliatory fire, since the missile’s controlled flight range is 5 km.

      And manufacturers in Russia of missiles for firing from tank guns, all the time they lie that they can knock down helicopters with missiles. laughing
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 26 June 2016 22: 14
        +1
        Quote: Observer2014
        And manufacturers in Russia of missiles for firing from tank guns, all the time they lie that they can knock down helicopters with missiles

        Have you tried it yourself? At least on a helicopter target?

        Yes-No-I don’t know?
  13. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 26 June 2016 12: 56
    +2
    The previously empty niche, an inexpensive complex for solving tactical tasks, is simply filled.
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 June 2016 13: 07
    +3
    Quote: Wiruz
    In short, the S-500 is a 12,7 mm "fool", and the S-350 is a 7,62 mm rifle.

    Very lucidly explained. Thank.
  15. konvalval
    konvalval 26 June 2016 18: 11
    +1
    Quote: bulvas
    Is the photo correct?

    Rockets are very small

    Yes udalenki.
  16. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 26 June 2016 20: 17
    -2
    Hooray.
    and to China, immediately sell it to China, as they are doing now with all domestic innovations, while we ourselves are rolling the Soviet resource.
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  17. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 27 June 2016 09: 36
    0
    Instead of the S-300. What for? Is the S-400 more expensive?
  18. senima56
    senima56 27 June 2016 12: 12
    0
    Quote: renics
    The creation of a prototype SAM S-350 is nearing completion

    Something incomprehensible ... If I'm not mistaken, Putin was shown this (with a photo) sample of the air defense system a year and a half or two ago. And then suddenly they write "The creation of a prototype of the S-350 air defense system is nearing completion"? ... Strange. Or the photo here is not related to the article (this often happens), or Putin was "hung up noodles"? I tend to think the former.
  19. Hauptam
    Hauptam 27 June 2016 17: 58
    -1
    A lot of air defense does not happen. Let it be 360 ​​and 370. The main overlap in all heights and ranges. The answer to the Amer missile defense in Geyrop should be.
  20. egsp
    egsp 27 June 2016 21: 48
    0
    enough tryndet, s-350 worthy replacement s-300 PS and PM. The military air defense has its own problems. So all is well.
  21. Noldor77777
    Noldor77777 28 June 2016 00: 57
    0
    It is interesting to know the difference in cost between the S-350 and S-400.