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Security Council of the Russian Federation: Russia's level of dependence on foreign information technologies remains high

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Russia lags behind the leading states in the development of competitive information technologies, first of all, supercomputer, the draft new information security doctrine developed by the Security Council of the Russian Federation says.


Security Council of the Russian Federation: Russia's level of dependence on foreign information technologies remains high


“The state of information security of the Russian Federation in the economic field is characterized by the lag of the Russian Federation from leading foreign countries in the development of competitive information technologies, including supercomputers, and their use for creating products and providing services based on them,” the document quotes RIA News.

“The level of dependence of the domestic economy and industry on foreign information technologies (electronic component base, software, computers and communications) remains high,” the project notes.

Due to the low level of introduction of new technologies, the information security of the Russian Federation is under threat.

“The state of information security of the Russian Federation in the field of science, technology and education is characterized by insufficient efficiency of scientific research related to the creation of promising information technologies, low level of implementation of domestic developments, as well as insufficient staffing in the field of information security,” the authors of the document indicate.

They also note that "the state of information security of the Russian Federation in the field of strategic stability and equal strategic partnership is characterized by the desire of individual states to use technological superiority to dominate the information space."
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  1. evil partisan
    evil partisan 25 June 2016 10: 40
    +20
    No matter how new. But at the level of the Security Council, such a statement did not seem to sound ... So, we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.
    1. Schulz
      Schulz 25 June 2016 10: 51
      -37%
      Quote: wicked partisan
      No matter how new. But at the level of the Security Council, such a statement did not seem to sound ... So, we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.

      Spring law you to mobilize.
      Learn to communicate from childhood.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 25 June 2016 11: 11
        +13
        Quote: Schulz
        Spring law you to mobilize.

        Spring's accessory to you in a thought hole. yes Well, something like this:
        1. Monos
          Monos 25 June 2016 11: 26
          +7
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          into a thought hole.


          Is it in ahedron or what? He seems to be thinking them.
          1. Schulz
            Schulz 25 June 2016 11: 58
            -12%
            Quote: Monos

            Is it in ahedron or what? He seems to be thinking them.

            I think that when the NSA surfaced behind the sceneswatching the citizens of the United States, then everyone in Russia was righteously indignant: "How is that? The Constitution is being violated!"
            But you have nothing to worry about. In Russia, everything is legal. Tracking, neglect, reposts, pickets ... From 3 years ...
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 22
              +8
              Quote: Schulz
              The NSA is keeping an eye on the citizens of the United States, then everyone in Russia was righteously indignant: "How can this be? The Constitution is being violated!"
              But you have nothing to worry about. In Russia, everything is legal. Tracking, neglect, reposts, pickets ... From 3 years ...


              Hmm ... If it’s necessary for business, let them watch ...

              I’m absolutely violet and on the drum that the FSB or some other structure is watching my actions on the Internet ... I have nothing to fear ...

              PS The only thing - I’m embarrassed when sometimes I suddenly go to the porn site for senile insanity ... I think the guys are on duty, and the old man throws such a subtlety to them ...

              I’m joking ... A filthy joke ... But it has a sound grain ... laughing
              1. Schulz
                Schulz 25 June 2016 12: 30
                -13%
                Quote: weksha50

                I’m absolutely violet and on the drum that the FSB or some other structure is watching my actions on the Internet ... I have nothing to fear ...

                I am sure that you have no curtains on your windows either. Well, in fact, "why are you afraid, let them be watched."
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 25 June 2016 14: 50
                +6
                Quote: weksha50
                The only thing - I’m embarrassed when sometimes I suddenly go to the porn site for senile insanity ... I think - the guys are on duty
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            3. Bayonet
              Bayonet 25 June 2016 15: 02
              0
              Quote: Schulz
              But you have nothing to worry about. In Russia, everything is legal.
            4. Felix
              Felix 25 June 2016 19: 19
              +1
              Quote: Schulz
              I think that when it surfaced that the NSA was secretly following US citizens

              And what, after that, the NSA stopped monitoring? Dear, there is no reason to fear such laws for the common man, and let everyone shake.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 25 June 2016 19: 33
                0
                In general, you need to understand that in the technologies of combating illegal manifestations (to put it mildly) there is a dependence when counter technologies force the use of technologies to these counteractions. It's like philosophy. Therefore, the same NSA, with its tracking technologies, like the WATSON system, is not capable of anything except associative comparison with a certain "standard" or "sample" of a term that implies something illegal. Therefore, it is correctly said that an ordinary person needs to know his simplicity in order not to involuntarily become tracked.
      2. Thrall
        Thrall 25 June 2016 11: 13
        +19
        Quote: Schulz
        Learn to communicate from childhood.

        Omitting the flood, I will speak on the topic. It is in the imported software that the ability to "inform" the user where it should be is laid. So you still have to mobilize for the development and implementation of domestic information technologies. But not all at once and right now.
        Take GLONASS, for example, only three states have their own satellite navigation systems. The positioning accuracy provided for civilian purposes is significantly lower than for the military. It is impossible to imagine what our VKS would do in Syria With high-precision weapons using only the state GPS.
        1. Schulz
          Schulz 25 June 2016 11: 50
          -12%
          Quote: Thrall

          Omitting the flood, I will speak on the topic. It is in the imported software that the ability to "inform" the user where it should be is laid.

          Correspondence, conversations?
          And when I ask for the facts, you will merge, right?
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 25 June 2016 12: 15
            +9
            Quote: Schulz
            Correspondence, conversations?
            And when I ask for the facts, you will merge, right?

            ... rather, this fate will befall you ...
            Programmers from one small company, which has absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft, found fragments of someone else's code in the compiled code of their program. Specialists in information protection were called on alarm, because at first everyone thought that the company was attacked by hackers and built into the Trojan horse software or virus. Given that thousands of users use the company's programs, the situation looked extremely dangerous.
            Specialists investigated the incident and found out that foreign code really got into the final software product of the company. The code intercepted keystrokes, took various metrics and saved this data for future use. Researchers found that the spyware module belonged to Microsoft and entered the program through the Visual Studio development environment. It looked like this: programmers wrote a program, compiled it, and at the time of compilation, Visual Studio program secretly embedded code from itself. The resentful leadership of the affected company turned to Microsoft for comments. The answer has traditionally been designed for idiots: it's all for your own convenience. It turned out that Microsoft, through Visual Studio, integrated the telemetry module into other people's programs, and not only without the permission of the user, but even without his notice. Source: http: //liberatum.ru/exclusive/26816
            ... eloquent ... here's a clear attitude to private property, on the part of Microsoft, in this particular case - intellectual ... so what's up with the licensing rights ?! ... and the most interesting thing in this "telemetry" is that it intercepts keystrokes, then continue what does it sound like? ... laughing
            1. Schulz
              Schulz 25 June 2016 12: 26
              -11%
              Quote: Inok10
              The code intercepted keystrokes, took various metrics and saved this data for future use.

              For the most advanced: Did this code record telephone conversations and SMS texts and transmit them to special services?
              Quote: Inok10

              ... rather, this fate will befall you ...

              Based on bad code from Microsoft?
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 25 June 2016 12: 21
            +7
            Quote: Schulz
            And when I ask for the facts, you will merge, right?

            Read the user agreement for example to WINDOWS-10, wise guy! I predict high-speed discharge from the site lol
            1. Schulz
              Schulz 25 June 2016 12: 36
              -15%
              Quote: GSH-18

              Read the user agreement for example to WINDOWS-10, wise guy! I predict high-speed discharge from the site lol

              And why should I read it, I, unlike you, always read agrimenty.
              A quote where Vindos will record my conversations and SMS and I merge with the site right there.
              Smart ass.
              1. Jack-b
                Jack-b 25 June 2016 17: 24
                0
                Quote: Schulz
                A quote where Vindos will record my conversations and SMS and I merge with the site right there.
                Smart ass.

                Consent to the collection of data for Internet services. The software features described below, as well as in the Windows 7 Privacy Statement, connect to Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In some cases, such a connection occurs without any notice. In some cases, these functions can be disabled or not used. For more information about these features, see the Windows 7 Privacy Statement, available at go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=104604. Using these functions, you consent to the transfer of relevant data.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 25 June 2016 18: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Jack-B
                  In some cases, these functions can be disabled or not used. For more information about these features, see the Windows 7 Privacy Statement, available at go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=104604. Using these functions, you consent to the transfer of relevant data.

                  Moreover, whether you have disabled these functions or not, as a rule, does not matter. In such cases, the system can operate autonomously.
          3. 1976AG
            1976AG 25 June 2016 15: 07
            0
            Quote: Schulz
            Quote: Thrall

            Omitting the flood, I will speak on the topic. It is in the imported software that the ability to "inform" the user where it should be is laid.

            Correspondence, conversations?
            And when I ask for the facts, you will merge, right?


            The facts will be provided to you by the competent authorities, and I ask you to refute what was said about import software, will you merge?
          4. sherp2015
            sherp2015 25 June 2016 22: 55
            0
            Quote: Schulz

            Correspondence, conversations?
            And when I ask for the facts, you will merge, right?


            ))))) I suppose you will merge ...))
        2. Alf
          Alf 25 June 2016 15: 13
          +1
          Quote: Thrall
          the imported software has the ability to "inform" the user where it should be.

          To inform is nonsense, but at the hour "H" to send a signal that knocks out all the computers is already serious.
      3. Mitek
        Mitek 25 June 2016 11: 24
        +2
        Quote: Schulz
        Quote: wicked partisan
        No matter how new. But at the level of the Security Council, such a statement did not seem to sound ... So, we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.

        Spring law you to mobilize.
        Learn to communicate from childhood.

        In the country where you live, denunciation has been cultivated. And the nuts are tightened not in vain. Yours are preparing for us a repetition of the Ukrainian script. And when civil strife begins, they will strike.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 25 June 2016 11: 30
          +6
          Quote: Mitek
          In the country where you live, the infamy is raised up in a cult. And the nuts are tightened not in vain. Yours are preparing for us a repetition of the Ukrainian script. And when civil strife begins, they will strike.

          The more I look at our southern neighbor, the more I begin to respect the Belarusian Old Man, who drove all Soros out of the Blue-eyed with a filthy broom and put the Washington regional committee in place. And in Belarus it is impossible to imagine a governor sitting with glowing hands over 400 euros. It is necessary to more often "screw up" the embezzlers and bribe-takers in power.
        2. Schulz
          Schulz 25 June 2016 11: 53
          -14%
          Quote: Mitek
          [
          In the country where you live, denunciation has been cultivated.

          How do you know this? From "articles" on VO?
          1. armata37
            armata37 25 June 2016 12: 24
            +4
            1. Do you really think that VO is the only source of information for us?
            2. And what if we learn something from VO?
            3. How do you know everything? Share, purely to broaden your horizons is interesting.
            1. Schulz
              Schulz 25 June 2016 12: 48
              -10%
              Quote: armata37
              1. Do you really think that VO is the only source of information for us?

              I’m sure not.
              TVNZ
              RIA News
              Dmitry Kiselyov
              Rush Tudey
              Alexey Prokopenko
              etc.
              1. TOR2
                TOR2 25 June 2016 13: 12
                +6
                Quote: Schulz
                I’m sure not.
                TVNZ
                RIA News
                Dmitry Kiselyov
                Rush Tudey
                Alexey Prokopenko
                etc.

                You would look at your psaku for a start ...
                1. Schulz
                  Schulz 25 June 2016 14: 03
                  -9
                  Quote: TOR2

                  You would look at your psaku for a start ...

                  1. She is not "mine"
                  2. Can you show me where "your" Zakharova is interviewed at the briefing with the same passion. how is "my" psaki?
                  3. Show you where "yours" Zakharova, Konashenkov, Lavrov and Putin were caught lying? Want to? I have them. 100%.
                  1. armata37
                    armata37 25 June 2016 15: 02
                    +3
                    Maria Zakharova is also interviewed, but the difference from Psaki is evident here.

                    So you answered at the blackboard? So, when you answer the question completely, logically, meaningfully, then there are no questions for you. When you mumble it is not clear what, the teacher overwhelms you with suggestive and clarifying questions.

                    Throw me something about Zakharova, Konashenkov, Lavrov and Putin, where they are caught lying. I'll see, I'm interested)
                    1. Schulz2
                      Schulz2 25 June 2016 21: 18
                      -4
                      Quote: armata37

                      Throw me something about Zakharova, Konashenkov, Lavrov and Putin, where they are caught lying. I'll see, I'm interested)

                      Delayed a bit. For example
                      https://noodleremover.news/lies-kill-ae02a79e4330#.uj0nm9thm
                  2. Alf
                    Alf 25 June 2016 15: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: Schulz
                    3. Show you where "yours" Zakharova, Konashenkov, Lavrov and Putin were caught lying? Want to? I have them. 100%.

                    Damn, a link, well, please. I will thank the century.
                    1. Schulz2
                      Schulz2 25 June 2016 21: 20
                      -2
                      Quote: Alf
                      Quote: Schulz
                      3. Show you where "yours" Zakharova, Konashenkov, Lavrov and Putin were caught lying? Want to? I have them. 100%.

                      Damn, a link, well, please. I will thank the century.

                      Here, for example, look what happens to people like you if you pull them out of your usual habitat
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 25 June 2016 22: 18
                        +2
                        Damn, I didn’t even know how cleverly the 67-year-old Russian-speaking pensioner can smear along the wall of a young English-speaking boor, who during the whole conversation allowed himself to shamelessly interrupt the interlocutor.

                        Thank you very much.

                        By the way, you were actually asked to give examples of "catching lies" not of pensioners, but of Russian officials that you allegedly have. Pliz, we are waiting.
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 25 June 2016 22: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Operator
                        Damn, I didn’t even know how cleverly the 67-year-old Russian-speaking pensioner can smear along the wall of a young English-speaking boor, who during the whole conversation allowed himself to shamelessly interrupt the interlocutor.

                        The classic position of an Englishman’s conversation is to interrupt, or rather, hammer in his opponent’s speech, without giving (I apologize for taftology) to give an answer. As soon as our representative began to give clear but unpleasant answers for the journalist, he immediately left the topic, skipping to another question.
                        After some of his words, a true Briton with dark skin and a truly English name paused with such a look, as if saying, “What did I blurt out?”
                      3. Operator
                        Operator 25 June 2016 22: 55
                        +1
                        This Hindu - leader, as if just jumped from a branch.
                        But the English audience, which worked as a dancer for an Indian, looked especially "beautiful".
                        And he was also amused by an off-screen Russian-speaking commentator who had clearly torn his anus with shreds into an introductory word in which he tried to turn the situation upside down am
                      4. Schulz2
                        Schulz2 26 June 2016 08: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Alf

                        The classic position of an Englishman’s conversation is to interrupt, or rather, hammer in his opponent’s speech, without giving (I apologize for taftology) to give an answer.

                        Here's a look at how this boor interviews the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Qatar (his employer and boss), and then compare the same with the "interview" with Lavrov and, as they say, feel the difference.

                    2. Schulz2
                      Schulz2 26 June 2016 08: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Operator
                      Damn, I didn’t even know how cleverly the 67-year-old Russian-speaking pensioner can smear along the wall of a young English-speaking boor, who during the whole conversation allowed himself to shamelessly interrupt the interlocutor.

                      Yea Yea! It was especially a pity to look at him, smeared after questions, why the UN voted 100/11 and the fact that Ukraine is not part of NATO. Well, after his assertion that the Americans were in Iraq was illegal - he generally fell into a stupor. Everyone saw it.
                      Quote: Operator

                      By the way, you were actually asked to give examples of "catching lies" not of pensioners, but of Russian officials that you allegedly have. Pliz, we are waiting.

                      A top post with a link you did not read at all? Well then, here you are. Pay attention to the date
                    3. gridasov
                      gridasov 26 June 2016 12: 39
                      +1
                      You Mr. Schultz2 should at least understand that there are people, including myself, who belong to Lavrov, Putin, not just as people who are sympathetic, but people who have a huge potential of knowledge and experience. These are the people who raised the country from a crumbling community and made it a superpower in a new form. This cannot be noted and cannot be ignored. Not everything turns out as we would like, especially for ordinary people. But the facts are obvious, that these are talented leaders and time shows their ability to see the realities, and not the illusions of Western false leaders who have been committing anti-human acts for many decades. Although in historical terms, nothing has changed. Moreover, note that the Russian and Slavic peoples consolidated even more not in confrontation, but in upholding the ideals of healthy morality and the basic principles of humanity. Therefore, you yourself provide a service if you are more correctly expressed in the address of those people who are trusted and who inspire hope in sane people. In addition, the UN now looks like the Ukrainian parliament, when people are deprived of their individual opinions. This is no longer the community of common sense, when issues are resolved in the name of justice, and not of individual clans.
                    4. Schulz2
                      Schulz2 26 June 2016 13: 19
                      -2
                      Quote: gridasov
                      You Mr. Schultz2 should at least understand that there are people, including myself, who belong to Lavrov, Putin, not just as people who are sympathetic, but people who have a huge potential of knowledge and experience.

                      I understand that there are such people.

                      Quote: gridasov
                      Therefore, you yourself provide a service if you are more correctly expressed in the address of those people who are trusted and who inspire hope in sane people.

                      Am I speaking incorrectly about them? In principle, I can not say "lie", but "tell a lie." It's all right?

                      Quote: gridasov
                      In addition, the UN now looks like the Ukrainian parliament, when people are deprived of their individual opinions. This is no longer the community of common sense, when issues are resolved in the name of justice, and not of individual clans.

                      In the final part of your post you were great! My congratulations!
                    5. gridasov
                      gridasov 26 June 2016 16: 36
                      0
                      Thank! On many issues, and you can not disagree. And I admit that there are very rarely people who would know how to follow their own line from beginning to end, and this would be consistent with the opinions of others. Therefore, I believe that everything should be taken as is. It is difficult to recognize only wild fanaticism and lack of morality.
                      I meant another expression of yours, but I see that it is not worth focusing on this. And then I want to note that there are always "irrepressibles" from either side with whom it is difficult to conduct a dialogue. You can talk to and that's okay.
                2. Operator
                  Operator 26 June 2016 16: 04
                  +1
                  1. The results of the UN General Assembly’s vote are violet for Russia, since we are guided by the UN Charter and the decision of the UN International Court of Kosovo, which recognizes the supremacy of a nation’s right to self-determination over state sovereignty, as well as the right of a national minority to secede from the state, despite the existence of another state at the time of where this nation has the majority.
                  Crimea just fits these norms of international law.
                  The fact that the Indian who jumped from the branch and his English audience does not know the common truths is exclusively their problem.
                  If you are still trying to appeal to the decisions of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences and the Helsinki Act on the inviolability of borders in Europe - hammer: "Welcome to a wonderful new world"

                  2. Show condescension to the 67-year-old pensioner who was not able to immediately list Ukraine’s actions to join NATO.

                  3. No need to try to prove something with an inverted quote. The full version of Putin’s answer to the question of American journalist Charlie Rose 28 September 2015 year:
                  "Russia will not participate in any troop operations in Syria or in other states, in any case, today we do not plan this. But we are thinking about how to intensify our work both with President Assad and with our partners in other countries. "
    2. armata37
      armata37 25 June 2016 13: 38
      0
      So I thought that you would indicate only the media and that’s it. In addition to the media, there are also eyes, ears and a head.
      1. Schulz
        Schulz 25 June 2016 14: 06
        -7
        Quote: armata37
        So I thought that you would indicate only the media and that’s it. In addition to the media, there are also eyes, ears and a head.

        Well, and what is this manifested in you except for the lulling?
        1. Ivan Ivanych
          Ivan Ivanych 26 June 2016 09: 30
          0
          Yes you are my friend Tyrol! You should drink less laughing
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  • 1976AG
    1976AG 25 June 2016 15: 12
    +1
    And what are you Mr. Schulz Each time under a different flag? Can't decide who you are? Or are you so afraid of us?
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 26 June 2016 12: 04
      0
      Really! As in that joke - neither the homeland nor the flag ...
  • armata37
    armata37 25 June 2016 11: 30
    +3
    Somehow you yourself report there without us. Our people are not so educated that in the latrines one after another to peep and report who, where, when and in what quantity.
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 25 June 2016 12: 12
    0
    Due to the low level of introduction of new technologies, the information security of the Russian Federation is under threat.

    This is a true point. Our programmers and engineers have a lot to work on.
  • Pitot
    Pitot 25 June 2016 12: 24
    -1
    This ..... I know. From our edges, Kamchatka. If such gn .... are passing and joking in the Duma, our affairs will not get better ... it will only get worse, at least.
  • Felix
    Felix 25 June 2016 19: 17
    0
    Quote: Schulz
    Spring law you to mobilize.
    Learn to communicate from childhood.

    And nothing that the "Yarovaya law" is a copy of a similar American law?
    And by the way, I do not see the relationship between the backwardness of our hardware, which, however, is no secret and the law, designed to help the fight against terrorism ...
  • Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 26 June 2016 09: 24
    0
    You dear, what have I forgotten here? Costs (burping) of democracy?
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  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 25 June 2016 10: 55
    +10
    “The level of dependence of the domestic economy and industry on foreign information technologies (electronic component base, software, computers and communications) remains high”,

    Well, where is the nanochubiser, after all, it yelled that they have a lot of money, where is Vekselberg with SKOLKOVO? request After all, when it smells fried, pah pah pah, no matter how late it was.
  • zanoza
    zanoza 25 June 2016 11: 08
    +9
    We are reaping the fruits of the activities of state advisers in the 90s and the criminal activities of the young reformers, who erased whole branches of our industry. This is due to world globalization in the field of economy and production. Why do it and develop it, if you can buy it from other countries. And science is not needed, everything was invented and invented in Silicon Valley, come and work there ..
    Even then, in the 90s, we surrendered our economic and industrial independence, and now, not in the best times, we have to restore everything, overcoming sabotage from the pro-Western "liberals" who have settled in the government.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 25 June 2016 11: 09
    +5
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    So we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.



    Back in 1973, I heard from my teachers that information security is the future ...
    However, if we recall the persecution of cybernetics and genetics in those days, all the roots of our backlog went from there ...
    And we have this information security, like electronic warfare, right up to the collapse of Sobyuz, was somewhere in the backyards and funded according to the residual principle - on you, God, that we do not care ...
    One of the universities that trains specialists in this field, thanks to a stool, has practically ceased to exist for several years ... Now it is only recovering ...

    By the way, Kaspersky is one of his graduates, who left the Armed Forces almost immediately after graduation ... And ironically said that he did not make a specialist in this field ...

    It turned out ... And in the open press it repeatedly flashed that he had helped in some places our special services in the fight against the CIA and similar services from different countries ...

    Verily - external enemies are not so terrible as internal ones ...

    There is no worse than catching up ... But how many homegrown specialists who have not left anywhere yet, we have ... We only need a desire to bring them to the solution of the same information security ... And not only ...
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 June 2016 11: 18
      +3
      Quote: weksha50
      And not only...

      With "and not only" and should begin.
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 25 June 2016 11: 37
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        With "and not only" and should begin.

        In the 90s, it was from this that we started now that we have it.
        But there is, as an example, China, which did not have such "authoritative" advisers.
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 June 2016 12: 11
          0
          Quote: BARKAS
          But there is, as an example, China, which did not have such "authoritative" advisers.

          And what exactly has China achieved? Assembly shop of the world? What are the innovations in China? Plow for 12 hours. There are no pensions. In hostels live 10 people in a room. Do you want that?

          Quote: Schulz
          Lauren Graham is a professor at MIT, the same one for whom Skolkovo is $ 300 million. dollars off for "sharing knowledge."

          So he shared. wink

          Quote: Chariton
          So the professor appeared ... So not everything is so bad! hi

          Have a nice one you too. hi
          1. Schulz
            Schulz 25 June 2016 13: 09
            -9
            Quote: Professor
            Plow for 12 hours. There are no pensions.

            Professor, and that in China there are deductions to the pension fund but no pensions? In Russia and Israel, maybe not so? If Russia does not make these deductions, then there will be no pensions. In Israel, I think the same. Or not?
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 June 2016 13: 18
              +4
              Quote: Schulz
              Professor, and that in China there are deductions to the pension fund but no pensions?

              Maybe now there are deductions (after tomorrow I will ask the colleagues in Shanghai), but there are no pensions. Every man for himself.

              Quote: Schulz
              In Russia and Israel, maybe not so?

              No not like this. In Israel, pensions are paid even to those who have not worked a day.
              1. Schulz
                Schulz 25 June 2016 14: 31
                -6
                Quote: Professor

                Maybe now there are deductions (after tomorrow I will ask the colleagues in Shanghai), but there are no pensions. Every man for himself.

                You can not ask. I already asked. No deductions. Accordingly - pensions, too.

                Quote: Professor

                No not like this. In Israel, pensions are paid even to those who have not worked a day.

                Happy for you. As a percentage of those who worked?
                1. Professor
                  Professor 25 June 2016 14: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Schulz
                  As a percentage of those who worked?

                  Those who have not worked and a day receive more than those who have worked for 15-20 years ... In general, the pension "grows" by 2% of the salary per year, maximum 75%. It is now. There used to be communism in general. But the article is not about that. hi
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 25 June 2016 16: 01
                    0
                    Maybe the article is not about that, but it is obvious that the complete lack of money and lack of support makes us orient ourselves in search of cooperation with the West. Personally, I understand that the same function of a constant value of a number, which causes ridicule among many, at the same time, I should laugh on the contrary, and which can become the basis for machine processing of information on multipolar principles embedded in the same transistor and the mathematical method of distributing numerical streams on this, in fact, new, function, all this will be the basis for a new leap in development. And the likelihood that Russia will not take advantage of this is becoming increasingly obvious. It is rightly said that "they want milk without thinking about the cow." At the same time, I think not everyone even realizes it.
      2. Schulz
        Schulz 25 June 2016 12: 02
        -7
        [quote = professor] [quote = weksha50] And not only ... [/ quote]
        With "and not only" and should begin.
        Lauren Graham is a professor at MIT, the same one for whom Skolkovo is $ 300 million. dollars off for "sharing knowledge."
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 53
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        With "and not only" and you should start


        Ghm ... It's a shame ... It's a shame ... However, all this I changed my mind a long time ago and came to the same conclusions ... And the roots of this attitude towards inventors are still growing from the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR ... One could still have a couple of Japanese billionaires who have enriched themselves on the spineless souls and works of our inventors to bring ... However, in vain from the 10th minute a person switched to a politicized text ...

        I would like to say that "Milk without a cow" is the desired path followed by "boyars and clerks", not thinking that tomorrow the so-called "cow" will die ...

        Money-capital - THERE ...
        Children and often families - THERE ...
        And everything that is earned and exhausted is HERE ...
        And the fate of the "cow" IS INDIFFERENT ...

        However, I can sincerely admit that I will not rock the boat (no matter what it leaked) ... And this is not cowardice, which many could accuse me of ...

        Maybe - this is the wisdom that has come over the years ...

        In general, Oleg, there is a struggle of ideologies, capital, influence on this and that ... Including on the pages of this forum ...

        It’s interesting, but someday this struggle of people with themselves will stop ??? Probably never...
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 25 June 2016 11: 36
      -1
      Quote: weksha50
      Verily - external enemies are not so terrible as internal ones ...

      There is no worse than catching up ... But how many homegrown specialists who have not left anywhere yet, we have ... We only need a desire to bring them to the solution of the same information security ... And not only ...

      I fully agree with your conclusions. And the main pest in this, Kudrin, with his "Dutch gonorrhea, or syphilis." There was an opportunity to somehow catch up with the world level in the production of microelectronics, but he froze payments. And now he is screaming at least for the second role is to integrate into the world economy. I was looking for old articles and links on this topic, I found only this one.https: //habrahabr.ru/post/156843/
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 55
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        And the main pest in this, Kudrin


        Of course, I do not like this submarine snake ... But ... If only the problem was in it ...
  • Mitek
    Mitek 25 June 2016 11: 20
    0
    Quote: wicked partisan
    No matter how new. But at the level of the Security Council, such a statement did not seem to sound ... So, we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.

    In fact, over the past 2 years, more than 25 years before. Funds are allocated for these purposes, work is underway. The results are already there, but somewhat damp. Bring to mind in the near future.
  • Wolverine
    Wolverine 25 June 2016 11: 45
    -1
    In this direction, we have already created a Linux-based program, and gradually all Russian enterprises will switch to a new operating system. As for the production of our processors, they are already in production, though the most powerful at the Intel I-3 level. Everything will normally need political will and tough teams, plus control over their implementation.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 25 June 2016 11: 48
      +3
      So the professor appeared ... So not everything is so bad! hi
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 13: 00
      0
      Quote: Wolverine
      In this direction, we have already created a Linux-based program, and gradually all Russian enterprises will switch to a new operating system.



      Nuuu ... this is so far shaky and swath ...

      I am more than always interested in - who is it for you to drawbacks FOR ANYTHING instructed ???

      PS So to speak, I accept fire on myself ... For what a person hollow ??? Absolutely neutral positivist text of a person who does not possess complete information (by the way, like many of us) ...
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 June 2016 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: Wolverine
      the truth is the most powerful at the Intel I-3 level.

      And its price at what level? wink
    4. aba
      aba 26 June 2016 19: 00
      +2
      the truth is the most powerful at the Intel I-3 level.

      One trouble is that the computer on Elbrus stands like a server on Xenon
  • Amurets
    Amurets 25 June 2016 11: 47
    +1
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    No matter how new. But at the level of the Security Council, such a statement did not seem to sound ... So, we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.

    For corporate parties at Rusnano. Chubais asked Putin for additional funds.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 13: 03
      +2
      Quote: Amurets
      For corporate parties at Rusnano. Chubais asked Putin for additional funds.



      Hmm And then either 94, or 92 billion - this is to prepare for corporate parties ...

      PS What a great life ... In order to "walk" (take a good walk), you just need to stick your hand into the state budget ...
  • Blondy
    Blondy 25 June 2016 12: 25
    +3
    Security Council of the Russian Federation: Russia's level of dependence on foreign information technologies remains high
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    No matter how new. But at the level of the Security Council, such a statement did not seem to sound ... So, we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.

    Well, these are all particulars. All the crap is on a much wider scale. And this crap is value for money. With an average quality (TTX), domestic finished products are distinguished by exorbitant prices. You can recall our supercomputers and non-commercial servers on "Baikal" for 300 thousand rubles. Recently, the Ermak smartphone was released, also average in terms of parameters, but the price is 1.5-2 thousand ui. It's just about electronics. And here is a more general case: at the Alibaba auction, the "Russian project" of selling our finished products failed miserably - it turned out to be too expensive, for this reason, only 24 orders were sold in six months.
    The solution, you know, is trivial - increasing productivity and quality of work. In my opinion, the efforts of power structures from the Security Council to the Duma should be directed precisely here. But for now it’s shitty for them.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 25 June 2016 17: 04
      +3
      Quote: Blondy
      Security Council of the Russian Federation: Russia's level of dependence on foreign information technologies remains high
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      No matter how new. But at the level of the Security Council, such a statement did not seem to sound ... So, we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.

      Well, these are all particulars. All the crap is on a much wider scale. And this crap is value for money. With an average quality (TTX), domestic finished products are distinguished by exorbitant prices. You can recall our supercomputers and non-commercial servers on "Baikal" for 300 thousand rubles. Recently, the Ermak smartphone was released, also average in terms of parameters, but the price is 1.5-2 thousand ui. It's just about electronics. And here is a more general case: at the Alibaba auction, the "Russian project" of selling our finished products failed miserably - it turned out to be too expensive, for this reason, only 24 orders were sold in six months.
      Solution, you know, trivial - increasing productivity and quality of labor. In my opinion, the efforts of power structures from the Security Council to the Duma should be directed precisely here. But for now it’s shitty for them.


      Unfortunately, you miss the main reason for the lag in high-tech areas - this is the narrowness of the market. Developing a modern hi-tech is a very expensive pleasure and only fights with millions (in pieces) of sales. At one time, Billy Gates announced the amount of Microsoft investments in the development of Win98. Something around 4,5 billion dollars. Such investments are repelled only when selling hundreds of millions of copies. If you sold only a thousand copies, this system would cost more than $ 4,5 million per copy to the end user. This is the reason for the high cost of domestic high-tech, and not at all in productivity or quality of labor. Here, just, more or less order. This is also superimposed by the traditional reluctance in Russia to pay for software that can be pioneered. So, only companies focused on domestic antiviruses, accounting and advisory programs under domestic law are surviving now.
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 27 June 2016 15: 29
        0
        Well, this is a well-known reason, and the manufacturers refer to it, or rather not a reason, but a reason for excuse. After all, somehow the shipbuilders of Samsuga, or the lumberjacks of Nokia managed to win positions in high-tech areas. The approach is most likely flawed: you need to enter the market with something breakthrough - no one will pay extra money for "second fresh sturgeon." It's just that modern effective managers with a breakthrough have a hard time - they are sharpened to manipulate ready-made ones. The breakthrough is being driven by creators, not managers. And you need to break through quickly, because other smart guys can easily get around at any delay. And our system is not adapted to such things. I am not touching upon any reverse overhead costs (kickbacks, etc.) here.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 28 June 2016 10: 54
          +1
          Everything that you write has a right to exist. In my post, I only objected to reducing the entire problem to "increasing productivity and quality of labor."
          In reality, high-tech is primarily an infrastructure. Starting with school education and ending with high-tech industries, which are very difficult and expensive to replicate. In the absence of infrastructure, your creator will simply be outbid, offering a high salary and growth prospects in a Western company. Or by offering to read a series of lectures at Western universities, where he will simply lay out his breakthrough ideas on a plate. Recently, with great regret, I learned that a big specialist in the field of information security, one of the authors of the magazine "Hacker" and the author of several books, is now working in the USA (Chris Kaspersky). And what about Pentkovsiy, who took out the works of a whole research institute and on this basis created a Pentium there? On the one hand, there is condemnation from the point of view of patriotism, and on the other hand, if a person did not see the opportunity to realize his ideas here, then if he stayed and it is not known how his fate would have developed. How many stories like that?
          With regard to modern "effective managers", it looks more like their activity is focused not on creating a high-tech, but on creating an infrastructure for finding talented guys with the aim of further exporting them to countries where their talents will be in demand.
          And in relation to "Samsuga shipbuilders, or Nokia lumberjacks have managed to win positions in high-tech areas." Remember Sony, which began with the production of "high-tech" rice cookers based on a wooden barrel and a tungsten coil. People first made money in low-tech industries, went through rigorous natural selection, and only then gradually reoriented themselves. Those who succeeded and became leaders, those who do not simply disappeared and their majority (over 90%). In any case, modern high-tech is geared towards the end consumer from whom money is collected for the further development of technical progress. No one needs high-tech, not even the most ingenious manager can save it.
          http://1tmn.ru/ratings/world-ratings/top-50-innovacionnykh-kompanijj-mira-414000

          6.html

          And yet, teams are working in hi-tech now, the time of singles has passed. So again we come to the infrastructure.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 28 June 2016 12: 51
            0
            Any reasoning can be subjected to elementary mathematical analysis. That is, in your reasoning, everything is said correctly, but chaotically. And if you harmonize everything that has been said and reduce it into possible interconnected systems of variations, you will get a structure where any particular definition of a process will be in conjunction with other processes. In other words, the search infrastructure and the people-specialists themselves and individually inventive or other ideas are all systems in the system. But why am I all leading this? To the fact that it is individual loners who can create what they are not able to create and think through to the depths, groups of even two people. Alone, a person thinks more soberly unless of course he is capable of it. He is not subject to subjective analysis and evaluation of external judges. Therefore, the discoveries made by loners have not only fundamental foundations, but also pre-fundamental ones, since they can give just the right and justified direction for the development of research. For example . Why is there a struggle for the speed of pulse transmission between processors? And why should the number of processors themselves be increased? This is a dead end direction, although progressive so far. The fact is that after understanding the possible functions of the number, everything can be reduced to a multipolar transistor, which will give such an incredible combination of options for matched pulses that will be simultaneously expressed by a number, so that it replaces the mass of individual processors with their necessary function. But the main thing is this incommensurably will change the ratio of energy costs for the same impulse with the resulting effect. If you do not say that this concept is evened out. At the same time, modern supercomputers suffer precisely from the aforementioned and related problems. Or the same hydro-gas-dynamic flow converters. Now, after all, everyone works with iron, creating their diversity under the guise of novelty, but at the same time, all the processes in these new and old devices are exactly the same. However, it is worth working with the physical process in hydrodynamic flows, and only then the devices themselves will show what they should be. So, so far I uphold the idea that it is loners who are able to give the first impetus for the development of grandiose transformations. So you need to look for people with, at first glance, obscure ideas
    2. syndicalist
      syndicalist 27 June 2016 12: 54
      0
      The given examples of "domestic" technology are incorrect, since they are only a rework of Western products. But in order for us to have modern Russian products, you just need to go through a series of stages in sequence:
      1) Train teachers at all levels (from elementary schools to universities) in foreign universities. That is, to bring the level of teaching to the world
      2) Bring the material and methodological base of schools and universities in line with modern standards
      3) Teach students in normal schools with teachers who have been trained in paragraph 1.
      4) Trained schoolchildren to be taught at universities by teachers who have been trained in paragraph 1.
      5) Provide postgraduate internships with world technology leaders.

      After that, we have the right to expect that our specialists will be able to create a competitive processor for the military and civilian industries, and the operating system, and smartphones and real-Russian modern machines.
      That is, now we must blame the remnants of finances not on the production of obsolete valves and purchases of Israeli avionics yesterday, but in this program of 5 points.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 13: 38
    +3
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    No matter how new. But at the level of the Security Council, such a statement did not seem to sound ... So, we should expect the mobilization of all available forces in this direction.

    mobilization of all available forces in this direction

    Really not new, but in the question there are big doubts, our Evil Va. Indeed, it would be necessary to mobilize, but the question is how? If everything is ruined and left almost at the mercy of the heads of administrations of the federation, where corruption "does not grow", it simply flourishes. If in our region, the rollback for the municipal order was in the range of 20-50%, but now it does not fall below 50%. Can you imagine such depreciation.
    Yes, I forgot to add "Glory to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, I mean EDRu and LADY.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist 27 June 2016 13: 14
      0
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      Yes, I forgot to add "Glory to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, I mean EDRu and LADY.

      And the very fact, "whose name cannot be mentioned," the one who next year will break Brezhnev's record of being in power, will we not add it again?
  • Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 25 June 2016 23: 03
    -1
    until we shoot all liberal liberal slime-eaters of the West — kudrins, chubais, ulyukaevs, grefs, who have been strenuously integrating the Russian Federation as a raw material colony (gas station) into the world capitalist order for the past 25 years and not returning a socialist nation-wide system with a Soviet education to the Constitution of the Russian Federation - Russia will lag behind from the West.

    And this is possible only with the departure of Putin, because only he holds all this thieving liberal code in power
  • grau
    grau 25 June 2016 10: 43
    +1
    We must buy our own to stimulate demand and development
  • moskowit
    moskowit 25 June 2016 10: 44
    +4
    To say the least. Extremely high! And this addiction threatens our defenses!
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 11: 14
      +2
      Quote: moskowit
      And this addiction threatens our defenses!



      THIS threatens national security ...
      Western information systems have already entangled the whole world like an octopus ... Octopus ... Network ... Web ...
      Tin !!!

      In order to mobilize our smart guys to create their own programming environment, we need only funding and the desire of bureaucrats ...

      However, there is neither one nor the other for a good deed ...
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 25 June 2016 12: 29
        0
        Quote: weksha50
        However, there is neither one nor the other for a good deed ..

        That is, the Security Council was going to nothing on this topic?
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 25 June 2016 17: 06
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          That is, the Security Council was going to nothing on this topic?



          Yep ...

          If someone throws up a common idea (albeit belated), the "majority" will instantly sabotage and block it ...
  • atamankko
    atamankko 25 June 2016 10: 47
    +3
    We must rely only on ourselves, the neighbors will not help.
  • Hundred
    Hundred 25 June 2016 10: 49
    +9
    If we even do the Eftophone in China, what can be the lag in this area? -This industry, we simply don’t have any computer information technology at all! -And it cannot be a priori !!! - Where does it come from? Not a single microelectronics plant similar to we simply don’t have production of nano-products like telephones, computers! where should they be from? -They didn’t build. If something and we can then it’s not even a drop in the sea and not a grain of sand in the desert.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 11: 18
      +3
      Quote: Hundert
      we do not have a single microelectronics plant similar to the production of nano-products such as telephones, computers! where should they be from?



      Hmm ... Ask Chubais, Medvedev. and ... Vladimir Vladimirovich ...

      Ghmgm ... Having scratched my turnips, I realized that TODAY for the first time blamed a man whom, in general, I respect ... Do not think about Chubais and DAM ...

      But ... Stop "working" as an ostrich ... However, I will say right away - I will vote in the upcoming elections for him anyway, since I do not see an alternative ... hi
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 June 2016 12: 09
        0
        alternatives - I do not see
        Of course it’s your right, but it may be worth looking wider, not only among those who are shown.
        by the way, here’s no alternative to you: Sergey Naryshkin, Sergey Ivanov, Shuvalov, the Tula governor ...
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 25 June 2016 13: 09
          +5
          Quote: Gardamir
          Of course it’s your right, but it may be worth looking wider, not only among those who are shown.
          however here are no alternatives for you: Sergey Naryshkin, Sergey Ivanov, Shuvalov, Tula Governor..


          Excuse me, I’m from the Tula region ... I came to it after being transferred to the reserve ... With me, there was one governor, Hero of Socialist Labor, who ruined the entire economy of TO (you will agree with me - V. Starodubtsev), the second is a thief, whom imprisoned for 9,5 years (by the way, red), the third - recently departed Gruzdev (by the way, was the richest of the governors of Russia at that time), which can not be said bad ...

          But who came - we still don’t understand ... The conspiratorial versions have reached the climax that our current Tula governor is Putin’s successor in the presidential chair ...

          How to relate to this version - by God, I don’t know ... So, chuckling ... In Russia - anything is possible ...
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 June 2016 10: 49
    +1
    There are many ways to interrupt until we ourselves build the necessary base. So you need to push in this direction.
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 25 June 2016 10: 51
    0
    This cannot be. But what about Chubais with nanobots? And Skolkovo with saw cuts? Nano armies wander around the country and bring money to the redhead, and in Skolkovo they read lectures about nothing, and even on an international scale for a big loot, the truth of the lecturers is then put on the international wanted list. ? Even the guarantor of these "progressors" does not touch, probably sees something. Probably the unbelievers in Red is our everything.
    1. absaz
      absaz 25 June 2016 11: 37
      0
      Red should be pushed away from these undertakings, as well as all liberals. In the sun, you need to create a company of hackers, with them there will be more benefit.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 26 June 2016 01: 55
        0
        Quote: absaz
        Red should be pushed away from these undertakings, as well as all liberals. In the sun, you need to create a company of hackers, with them there will be more benefit.

        Who will move "Red?" If in 1998 he offered Putin to appoint acting Prime Minister, which EBN did in August 1999 by removing Stepashin.
        Hackers in the Armed Forces.? Yes, you are laughing? There will be no more comment on this topic. Just find the article, I do not remember the year of publication, or the magazine. It seems like TM. "The secret of one cent." in the USA.
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 25 June 2016 10: 52
    +5
    Fathers of the light, did the Security Council see something that everyone has been repeating for many years? And what kind of conclusions will the wise body accept? Or, most importantly, create the appearance of work, and even though the grass doesn't grow there?
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 11: 21
      +1
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      or most importantly, create the appearance of work


      And this has already a priori become the working method of our thinking boyars, sabotaging ministers in the government ... Did you hope that the Security Council has gone far ???

      So in the same place - the same "people" ...
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 26 June 2016 02: 05
      0
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Fathers of the light, did the Security Council see something that everyone has been repeating for many years? And what kind of conclusions will the wise body accept? Or, most importantly, create the appearance of work, and even though the grass doesn't grow there?

      I think I saw it because there was a data leak: who, with whom, when and in what position. And this is a scandal. Here and after the scandals with pop and other actors, they took care that their data appeared on the network.
  • vfqjh
    vfqjh 25 June 2016 10: 53
    +1
    Somehow, the question involuntarily arises - what do you want to have if you could only organize a brain drain abroad and ruin the system of vocational technical education? Since perestroika, everyone thinks that the West will help us. No, gentlemen, we must work ourselves, and not rely on our uncle. (I’m 60, I work as an electronics engineer, I repair microprocessor boards, but there is no replacement for me. So think about where we are going? But lawyers, managers and dentists are a dime a dozen)
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 25 June 2016 10: 56
    +2
    Yes, the Security Council would have, than the government bought debt securities of the United States, would have thrown these billions into this sector of Russia. The effect would be SPECIFIC. (Toko excuse me not in skolkovo, but in specific institutions and programs)
    Here I will forgive the GDP and the "main" bank of Russia does not agree. How HE otmazyvat them and her, the mind is incomprehensible .. I do not catch up with something ..
    Kudrin can see better .. Multimillionaire for a salary ..
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 25 June 2016 11: 29
      0
      The question is not about the lard to swell, the second splinterly or the third, not a problem to pull away. Now it’s not even at the level of managers, but also at the level of teaching in universities of the relevant disciplines that people work, who are good uncles from CISCO, Macrosoft ... the list of those who wish will continue, they taught to use only their tools and equipment. The CISCO is the best video course on network solutions, they buy all startups in this area for many years and release it under their own name (the CISCO certificate, by the way, obtained via the Internet, is a quality mark), students and teachers, especially those of relevant specialties, receive Macrosoft software for free or for symbolic money, you can continue indefinitely, I was faced with the fact that students of the local polytechnic and university did not hear about import substitution in the field of software and the link to the site providing the appropriate list was a revelation for them, and this is not even tomorrow, but practically today
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 25 June 2016 11: 57
        -2
        And what is it worth there Petersburgers, Muscovites, Novosibirsk, etc. give a task - to create an OS for Russia on the basis of Linux with applications. Then close the source code.
        And specific prizes to PEOPLE, not to institutes, believe yourself there are divided.
        Voice the figure of 100 million tanks, and believe me ... RACE WILL. Excluding financial western aid. FSB in control.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 26 June 2016 02: 12
          0
          Quote: Barracuda
          And what is it worth there Petersburgers, Muscovites, Novosibirsk, etc. give a task - to create an OS for Russia on the basis of Linux with applications. Then close the source code.
          And specific prizes to PEOPLE, not to institutes, believe yourself there are divided.
          Voice the figure of 100 million tanks, and believe me ... RACE WILL. Excluding financial western aid. FSB in control.

          Yes, there are, there are! Purely specific Russian builds: just go to the Linux website. It's just a little harder to work in Linux.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 June 2016 10: 56
    +3
    The false message of the liberal officials of the EBN period - why produce something when it can be bought for oil and gas in Europe and the United States, which is "friendly" to us, will haunt Russia for a long time.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 10: 57
    +5
    “The state of information security of the Russian Federation in the field of science, technology and education is characterized by insufficient efficiency of scientific research related to the creation of promising information technologies, low level of implementation of domestic developments, as well as insufficient staffing in the field of information security,” the authors of the document indicate.

    The state of information security of the Russian Federation in the field of science, etc. characterized not by the absence of smart people in Russia, but by the inability of the completely rotten and mired in corruption of the Nucleus, to create normal working conditions for such people. Our country is ahead of the rest of the planet on many technical issues, but this is not because we have a normal government, but in spite of this. Red-haired scum, claiming an overabundance of money from him, devours fabulous money, while not producing anything except corporate parties. The LADY came up with a "splinter" and wears a "fix" with this idea as with a written sack, though at the expense of our colleagues. The Minister of Agriculture enriched himself at the Olympiad to such an extent that even his great-grandchildren cannot master, but now he can calmly stifle the entire agriculture of the country in the name of his interests, he may have "turned down" about the whole country, but in the Kuban this is definitely ... Yesterday, June 24, the average price of tomatoes was 170 rubles. This is just madness, the product, which is grown in the Kuban and Adygea in huge quantities, costs so much money in its season.
    I love my country, I would love to travel around it, but the prices are such that, to me, a military pensioner, it simply can not afford.
    I apologize, colleagues, for some emotionality. hi
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 11: 24
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      I apologize, colleagues, for some emotionality.



      Not only we forgive, but also support ... At least - I'm alone - that's for sure ...

      Thank you for such a reaction ... A normal reaction for a normal person ... hi
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 11: 29
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        Not only we forgive, but also support ... At least - I'm alone - that's for sure ...
        Thank you for such a reaction ... A normal reaction for a normal person ...

        Thank you, colleague George, for support, in modern times even moral support costs a lot, especially since the person supporting you considers you normal, even with a rather chaotic and emotional performance. hi
  • Tusv
    Tusv 25 June 2016 11: 01
    +2
    I do not know. In our political talk shows, all sorts of different perform. Dumb and dumber called, in the form of a humorous transmission. And from smart only Alexander Rara
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: Tusv
      I do not know. In our political talk shows, all sorts of different perform. Dumb and dumber called, in the form of a humorous transmission. And from smart only Alexander Rara

      In many ways, the namesake agrees with you. The theme of our television in general is surprising, sometimes there is a feeling that our media work according to instructions from Washington, because it is simply not possible to understand the stupid effect of TV on the population differently.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 25 June 2016 11: 28
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        for it is simply not possible to understand differently the stupid effect of TV on the population.

        It’s very difficult to dull our people, especially after the vaccination of the 90s.
        In my memory, a conversation took place
        First - I hate cockroaches
        I'm so baiting
        First - So in the morning you get up with a bad mood, a hundred slippers slam, it gets better
        Third - In the evening, chop in a bowl of bread and in the morning to smoke
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 11: 43
          +2
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          for it is simply not possible to understand differently the stupid effect of TV on the population.
          It’s very difficult to dull our people, especially after the vaccination of the 90s.
          In my memory, a conversation took place
          First - I hate cockroaches
          I'm so baiting
          First - So in the morning you get up with a bad mood, a hundred slippers slam, it gets better
          Third - In the evening, chop in a bowl of bread and in the morning to smoke

          Namesake, funny anecdote, but let me disagree with you. A child (12 years old, dad and mom from 6.30 to 19.30, at least at work)) so "sat down" on STS and TNT that it forced me to block these channels, because the serials running there, like something about "Boys" and "Voronins" for the psyche of the child represent a specific danger. And I am not exaggerating at all, since childhood, for more than 40 years, I have been communicating with one normal person, we grew up together in the same yard, but he is "normal" because he graduated from medical, specializing in "psychiatry", and I went to a military school ... So he, having three daughters, removed these channels from the broadcasting network altogether, and precisely for the reason, as he says, "a negative and irreversible influence on the unstable psyche of a child due to its development."
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 25 June 2016 11: 55
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir 1964
            Namesake, funny joke

            This is not a joke, namesake. I heard this between semesters, when an acre of diploma, I earned a working specialty - a adjuster-puncher 3 categories
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 12: 07
              0
              Quote: Tusv
              earned a working specialty - adjuster-puncher 3 categories

              Already this alone, colleague, arouses respect! hi And then from the managers, especially the effective ones, are already sick. And a person who knows how to do something with his own hands always and everywhere inspires respect. hi
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 25 June 2016 12: 21
                +4
                First - I hate cockroaches


                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                so "sat down" on STS and TNT that it forced me to block these channels


                So are you comparing TV with cockroaches?

                Run fast like hares
                You will not catch up, you will not kill.
                Bred like the Chinese
                You just can’t take a step.
                drinks
                1. Vladimir 1964
                  Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 12: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Quote: Vladimir 1964
                  so "sat down" on STS and TNT that it forced me to block these channels

                  So are you comparing TV with cockroaches?

                  Run fast like hares
                  You will not catch up, you will not kill.
                  Bred like the Chinese
                  You just can’t take a step.

                  I won’t lie, colleague, commentary, cool. laughing
              2. Tusv
                Tusv 25 June 2016 12: 41
                -1
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                And then from the managers, especially the effective ones, are already sick. And a person who knows how to do something with his own hands always and everywhere inspires respect.

                What Russian Vanka knows how to do for a family for free, an effective manager must sell for a high price, but he does not know how
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 25 June 2016 11: 13
    +1
    It is up to the state only. Develop .. and implement. Above ... forcibly. Only there is one thing ... the state is not that with us. For with skolkovo and deceived by all sorts you will not go far. I am not a Soviet person. But you need to act here in the Soviet way. Give a task .. assign a responsible person, deadlines, implement it in your enterprises .. if standards ... then private traders will catch up. The same story with the refinery. After all, they can force it when necessary.
    Yeah ... as if the liberals did not ache ... but without planning nowhere)
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 25 June 2016 17: 16
      0
      Initially, for the purposes of officials, the task is to maintain the ratings or not to lag behind and catch up with the opponent. For the purposes of scientists, in most cases the task is to fulfill the desire and commission of officials. But only geniuses think how to do everything BETTER regardless of all circumstances.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 11: 14
    +5
    In medical technology, we are 80% behind. This is what I say as a doctor. If they cut off oxygen in this case - "mustache, karachun to you, Tseritelli" crying There are NO analogues.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 25 June 2016 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      In medical technology, we are 80% behind. This is what I say as a doctor. If they cut off oxygen in this case - "mustache, karachun to you, Tseritelli" crying There are NO analogues.

      We have normal medicine ... I checked it myself! High-tech operations are done in a stream (for simple peasants ..) Stop driving to medicine .. Everything is free!
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 12: 11
        0
        Quote: Chariton
        We have normal medicine ... I checked it myself! High-tech operations are done in a stream (for simple peasants ..) Stop driving to medicine .. Everything is free!

        Khariton, you simply command respect, if you still write where you live, then we are all "simple military pensioners" who do not have high ranks, already with you! fellow
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 12: 51
          0
          Vladimir, if you are a reserve officer, you have very good prospects in terms of medical supply .. I work in this area .. I can tell if that .. hi
        2. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 12: 51
          0
          Vladimir, if you are a reserve officer, you have very good prospects in terms of medical supply .. I work in this area .. I can tell if that .. hi
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 25 June 2016 12: 47
        0
        With all due respect, you are just lucky! For the first time I hear such words .. very nice hi
  • Igor39
    Igor39 25 June 2016 11: 15
    +2
    But what about Skolkovo, Rostec and Rusnano?
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 25 June 2016 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: Igor39
      But what about Skolkovo, Rostec and Rusnano?

      This is for you, Igor, such a joke, right? belay
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 June 2016 12: 38
      0
      Skolkovo is trying to do something, but Rostec, KRET and SWABE are already doing it.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 25 June 2016 11: 21
    +1
    Everything is not so scary! The fact is that having created the technological foundations for an educated global information space, Americans, as creators, faced, on an equal, with all others, the problem of analysis and the ability to process large information data. Their supercomputers do not provide the ability to predict or model fundamental processes in any field. They were like machines performing the function of accumulating statistics, and remain. If someone does not understand this, then it is not necessary. And those who understand why this is, with a calm soul, will develop those prerequisites. which lie in the minds of people and talented scientists. Moreover, the Americans created a very complex and vulnerable to this complexity economic management system, which ultimately stops them. Why is chaos and lawlessness in global processes profitable for them now? Because they believe that they come out of them faster than others. And they do, from their position everything is logical, otherwise, on their own technologies, others will catch up and be competitors.
    Therefore, from a purely scientific point of view, it is nevertheless necessary to develop new methods of mathematical analysis on the new properties of numbers, which already allow us to see new possibilities.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 25 June 2016 11: 22
    +2
    The most "advanced" Russian percent "Neuron" is stamped in Taiwan. And where is import substitution? What does the Security Council think? There are brains, but they are not needed in order to win at the Olympiads, and to rivet toys, URA shout. I WOULD THINK "Security Council".
    And by the way, on what machines did the participants of the doctrine development come, and cottages in which km from Moscow?
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 25 June 2016 11: 36
      +1
      Judging from what I know from public information, I do not think that the boyars are their own friends. There were scientific applied projects that were really crucial in creating a new effective elemental base. However, preference was given to projects simply repeating the development of Western experts. This only says one thing, that our scientific advisers are simply not able to see the direction of research that is advantageous for themselves. They simply are not able to figure out the amount of information that they can and do own. Therefore, statements about the backlog are, as it were, a product of one’s own creation.
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 25 June 2016 11: 47
        +1
        Yes, I agree. I had a teacher, a candidate of sciences, who wrote a doctorate, not knowing that his similar work was recorded in the United States a year ago. . Like a phone, or a light bulb in history ...
  • Khariton
    Khariton 25 June 2016 11: 53
    -2
    Yes, everything will be fine ...! We in Russia are calm people, for the time being ... We have everything! (In which case ..!)
    I’m watching the boys ... I think the West has no chance ..!))))
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 June 2016 12: 17
    0
    And you don’t need to write yourself 350 million bonuses, you need to support the young and create conditions. They don’t understand a simple thing, well, there are no pockets in the coffin, enough to grab both mouth and ass.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 June 2016 12: 40
      0
      Big money will always spoil people.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 25 June 2016 12: 29
    0
    All the money goes for maintenance skolkovo, for nothing else in science there is no money.
  • Naladchik
    Naladchik 25 June 2016 12: 53
    +3
    If anyone noticed, even the racks in the photo are on wooden pallets.
    Since the beginning of 2000, things have been said about the development of Russian software since then.
    Glory to the Almighty, even though the crystal was honored to pile.
    Until there is Cyrillic software, the Security Council can assemble as many as you like.
  • thinker
    thinker 25 June 2016 15: 30
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    ...
    And what exactly has China achieved? Assembly shop of the world? What are the innovations in China?
    Mr. Professor, clearly not in the subject. But nothing that the first two lines of the ranking of Top500 supercomputers for China.
    The new supercomputer was developed by the National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering and Technology of China (National Research Center of Parallel Computer Engineering & Technology). The system is located at the National Center for Supercomputers in Wuxi, Jiangsu Province in eastern China.The supercomputer is based on the new Chinese processors of the ShenWei family - SW26010 with the original 64-bit RISC architecture, presumably made using 28 nm technology. Each processor is equipped with 260 cores, operates at a frequency of 1.45 GHz and has a performance of 3.06 teraflops.

    https://geektimes.ru/post/277478/
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 June 2016 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: thinker
      Mr. Professor, clearly not in the subject. But nothing that the first two lines of the ranking of Top500 supercomputers for China.

      Mr. Professor is clearly in the subject. I have been working with the Chinese for over a decade. Been there I do not remember how many times. The example you quoted is just the victory of quantity over quality. Name pliz 10 innovations created by China. wink
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 25 June 2016 16: 06
      0
      You do not wonder that with such achievements, there are no results as such. What is any resulting product in the form of the ability to analyze the same turbulent hydrodynamic process? NO and will not. And at least you need to know why.
  • iouris
    iouris 25 June 2016 17: 49
    0
    All clear. There is no independence.
  • Operator
    Operator 25 June 2016 18: 37
    +5
    The current state of information technology in Russia is a direct consequence of state policy, more precisely - the policy of the Government, even more precisely - the policy of the relevant Ministry of Communications.

    He spoke personally with a senior official of the State Policy Department of this ministry - he openly said that they will continue to lobby for foreign system software and foreign application software in critical areas of the economy - banks, communications, electric power, and transport.

    And everyone else, including the military-industrial complex and law enforcement agencies, are forced to adapt to this. The only exception is the Ministry of Defense: in specific complexes, domestic support developed from scratch is used. Moreover, in the combined arms ESUTZ is full of import inserts. The very basis of ESUTZ is the MSWS operating system, which is a variation of western Linux.

    Nothing will change on the issue of import substitution, until there is an unequivocal decision on the transition of all state institutions and critical industries to the Russian system and application software, indicating the terms and responsibilities (in the sense of dismissal upon non-fulfillment) of the first persons of ministries, institutions and state organizations.

    The farther, the more information technology becomes a weapon.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 25 June 2016 19: 16
    +2
    To the operator. The current state of information technology in Russia is a direct consequence of state policy, more precisely - the policies of the Government, and even more precisely - the policies of the relevant Ministry of Communications.

    He spoke personally with a senior official of the State Policy Department of this ministry - he openly said that they will continue to lobby for foreign system software and foreign application software in critical areas of the economy - banks, communications, electric power, and transport.

    And all the rest, including the military-industrial complex and law enforcement agencies, are forced to adapt accordingly. The only exception is the Ministry of Defense: in specific complexes, domestic support developed from scratch is used. Moreover, in the combined arms ESUTZ is full of import inserts. The very foundation of ESUTZ is the MSWS operating system, which is a variation of western Linux.

    Nothing will change on the issue of import substitution, until there is an unambiguous decree on the transition of all government agencies and critical industries to the Russian system and application software, indicating the terms and responsibilities (in the sense of dismissal if not fulfilled) of the first persons of ministries, institutions and state organizations.

    The farther, the more information technology becomes a weapon.
    It would be funny and stupid if the answer was different. After all, it is quite obvious that modern software was created by people on the basis of advanced knowledge from the field of mathematics. Moreover, the software has been brought up to the level of modern requirements. Therefore, is it possible to create something more perfect based on the function of a variable value of a number than modern software. Hardly ! In this case, mathematicians have reached the peak of the possibilities of fundamental knowledge. Therefore, new software can be created only on the basis of new possibilities of mathematics and, in particular, new functions of NUMBER. It's just like a bright day. And then of course you can create something new and more perfect than we have now.
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    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 26 June 2016 01: 26
      0
      somehow it seems that some opponents, in the heat of the argument, have surpassed their level of preparation, the problem of the operating system itself is largely drained out of the finger, based on ReD Hat they created MSVS, there are operating systems based on Ubunta, quite functional, that's just ours military users, not to mention the representatives of the military-industrial complex, do not like to bother, they are the native Windows, which they have been accustomed to since childhood, on the other hand there are fewer various utilities and other tools for Linux and much less experienced users and programmers work there, and it was necessary to stamp the leg and throw Windows from the state apparatus, like the Chinese or the French, they have no Windows on computers in government agencies, and everything works out fine.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 26 June 2016 16: 45
        0
        I think that in your statement your own dominant opinion prevails. You like one - the other - the other. However, one must proceed from their concepts of effectiveness. And what is efficiency - so you can talk about it indefinitely, or even better, make a reference to fantasies about how we can be included in the system with one thought, receive exhaustive information in an exhaustive optimal volume, and be in the privacy zone. And my opinion is that on a binary code this is impossible in fact and in theory.
  • TOR2
    TOR2 25 June 2016 20: 07
    0
    The level of dependence of the domestic economy and industry on foreign information technologies (electronic component base, software) remains high

    You can talk about this topic as long as you like, when will you start doing that? We have 5 well-known enterprises such as the St. Petersburg "Svetlana". For the production of our own iron, we must finally decide what element base we have and the production of which needs to be adjusted. Moreover, in addition to the industrial element base, we also need a household one, otherwise the cost of the final product will be prohibitive.
    Specialists investigated the incident and found out that the foreign code actually got into the final software product of the company. The code intercepted keystrokes, took various metrics and saved this data for future use. Researchers found that the spyware module belonged to Microsoft and got into the program through the Visual Studio development environment

    Software products in the Visual Studio environment can be created for various fields, and once such incidents have appeared, you need to clearly create your own. From quick solutions to creating an analogue based on 1s.
    The question is that the state. support should be received by enterprises capable of real returns, and not "nanists" of all stripes.
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 27 June 2016 13: 16
    0
    Quote: TOR2
    From quick solutions to creating an analogue based on 1s.

    Cool joke!