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Newsweek: Conditions for conflict between China and the United States matured in the South China Sea

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Conditions for a direct military confrontation between the United States and China have matured in the South China Sea, Newsweek magazine believes.



“Many high-ranking Chinese officials have long believed that war between China and America is inevitable. A new, growing power is always in conflict with the old dominant power. This is the current situation between the US and the PRC in the Pacific region as a whole and especially in the South China Sea (SKM), a strategically important reservoir through which 5 trillion dollars worth of cargo and goods pass through annually and that is also rich in minerals. . China claims almost 80% of the water area of ​​the UCM ", - the portal article provides Expert Online.

The magazine notes that “the United States supports other countries in the region — Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Brunei — in their territorial disputes with the Celestial Empire; besides, they have been sending US military ships and aircraft to patrolling in the UCM more often in recent months the need to protect trade routes. ”

“Washington protested when the Chinese built artificial islands in UCM and built infrastructure on them, including moorings and runways, which can be used in the event of an armed conflict .. Beijing claims that it intends to develop on the disputed islands, in particular on the archipelago Spratly, tourism. In Washington, they do not believe in the tourist “legend” and consider the disputed islands to be strong points created in case of a possible war, ”the article says.

According to the magazine, many "experts believe that a military conflict between the United States and China is impossible because of the scale and consequences, since America and China are nuclear powers, and this should already a priori put an end to any armed conflicts between them."

At the same time, they note that “it is not at all difficult to stir up a war - it may flare up due to some minor conflict, such as a collision of military aircraft or ships.”

“By the way, Washington’s sending aircraft carriers John Stennis and Ronald Reagan to escort ships to the region east of the Philippines provoked sharp criticism from the CCP’s mouthpiece, the Renmin Ribao newspaper:" China is not a country to play with in similar games "", - writes the edition.

“US aircraft carriers found themselves in the Philippines precisely in the second half of June, not by accident. Very soon, in the first days of July, the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) in The Hague will begin consideration of Manila’s complaint against Beijing, which manages the SCM, at home. Despite the fact that the decision of this court is only advisory and non-binding, and Beijing has already declared that it will not obey it, it is important for the country's image in the international arena. So, apart from the desire to show China that the Americans intend to continue to support the allies, aircraft carrier exercises may well put some pressure on the PCA judges, ”the article says.

Beijing is also not sitting idly, and right now it is going to send nuclear submarines to the SCM.

Arguing about the inevitability of war between the United States and China, the magazine emphasizes that the disputes over the SCS are not the main contradiction between the two states. “The main thing is the conflict between the two superpowers. The conflict, at least at this stage, is that China has become a leader in the Pacific region, and America continues to believe that it still remains the main police officer in this part of the world, ”the author believes.

“Of course, the price of the conflict between the United States and China is very high, and sober heads, which are more so in Beijing and Washington, understand this. But such provocative actions as sending aircraft carriers to a red-hot region and the appearance of Chinese submarines with nuclear missiles in it, further increase the level of confrontation, heat the situation and increase the likelihood of a military clash between the US and China, ”he concludes.
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  1. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 25 June 2016 10: 15
    +15
    "Newsweek: Conditions for conflict between China and the United States matured in the South China Sea"
    Putin went to China for a reason, and this issue will be discussed.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 June 2016 10: 16
      +14
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      discuss this issue.

      The main thing is not to fit into the "hot war" for anyone. yes
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 25 June 2016 10: 17
        +15
        Quote: Vladimirets
        The main thing is not to fit into the "hot war" for anyone.

        But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible!
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 25 June 2016 10: 23
          +8
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible!

          Help, after all, may not be military (or almost military). wink
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 25 June 2016 12: 49
            +14
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Help, after all, may not be military (or almost military). wink

            For example, under the guise of a couple of well-aimed salvoes of the "Caliber-NK" missile launcher from a submerged position, to thin out the number of American aircraft carriers lol
            By the fact that after China we ourselves can be in the queue.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 25 June 2016 12: 57
              +3
              Quote: GSH-18
              For example under the guise of a couple of well-aimed salvoes of the "Caliber-NK" missile launcher from an underwater position

              "Bang, the whole world is in dust, but then", but for now ours are just on the database
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 25 June 2016 13: 21
                +1
                Quote: Tusv
                Quote: GSH-18
                For example under the guise of a couple of well-aimed salvoes of the "Caliber-NK" missile launcher from an underwater position

                "Bang, the whole world is in dust, but then", but for now ours are just on the database

                Not necessarily with a nuclear warhead. 3-4 hits of "Calibers" on the side (or better at the waterline or in the bomb storage area) of the Aircraft Carrier are capable of sending it to the bottom.
                The warhead of the KR "Caliber-NK" contains almost half a ton of high explosives.
            2. lysyj bob
              lysyj bob 27 June 2016 09: 42
              +1
              Quote: GSH-18
              By the fact that after China we ourselves can be in the queue.


              Next in line, we are likely after America. Therefore, it will be necessary to help both of them ... for gold. As the a-braids did in the 1st and 2nd MVV. This massacre will only be on hand for us. Although, it would be better to do without it.
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 25 June 2016 16: 09
            -1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            “Many high-ranking Chinese officials have long believed that a war between China and America is inevitable.

            I’ll tell you a secret, you chose the wrong country, or your mother.
            Russia can rest against not four, but six points and will still be drawn into a showdown. For 400 years, the task of the West has been to seriously knead Russia. Yes, with Petit.
            Of course it's cool on a tree, and below there are two tigers fighting. Sitting on the shore, and past the corpse of the enemy, is also cool ... But ... herself, herself. It is called "Russian road".
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 25 June 2016 21: 00
              +2
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              I’ll tell you a secret, you chose the wrong country, or your mother.

              YOU quote this whom? Using YOUR style, your mom chose the wrong dad.
        2. passing
          passing 25 June 2016 11: 02
          +6
          But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible! Yes what for us these inscriptions for the neighbors. Something they did not rush to help our economy, All help is only subject to our BENEFIT, big BENEFIT
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 25 June 2016 16: 15
            +1
            Of course it's cool on a tree, and below there are two tigers fighting. Sitting on the shore, and past the corpse of the enemy, is also cool ... But ... herself, herself. It is called "Russian road"

            Quote: passing
            But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible! Yes what for us these inscriptions for the neighbors. Something they did not rush to help our economy, All help is only subject to our BENEFIT, big BENEFIT


            Do you want to live tomorrow? Then get your backpack ready.
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 25 June 2016 11: 22
          +25
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible!

          And this neighbor, at least somehow helped Russia in similar situations ?? Maybe Crimea recognized? Maybe he gave money on credit when the West cut off our banks from loans? No, of course there were discussions, but they didn’t get to the point!
          On the contrary, China always takes advantage of Russia's weakness; it makes money on it. Remember how the Chinese were breaking the price of oil for Putin when the West announced sanctions on us? And, the benefit of the gas pipeline is the strength of Siberia for Russia in economic terms is very controversial, but China has a profit!

          China has never openly stood up for Russia, only as abstaining. And always had a material benefit from this! And China is also very comfortable that Russia, through its conflicts, distracts the United States from China. China is, as it were, in the shadow of Russia, and does not fall under the distribution.
          Now the situation may change in a mirror. And God forbid, to meet Russia for China! It is also necessary, as China does, to be neutral to the conflict and act as peacekeepers to reconcile the parties.
          1. Salvodor
            Salvodor 25 June 2016 14: 04
            0
            That's right, you need to promise anything you want, and when China gets hurt, they say it’s not the time now, we have enough of our problems.
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 25 June 2016 16: 43
              0
              Quote: Salvodor
              That's right, you need to promise anything you want, and when China gets hurt, they say it’s not the time now, we have enough of our problems.

              True, cool revenge, for all the tears shed in the pillow. And then what?
              1. The United States has proven that China is convenient G ... with a capital letter and will throw it at us, for denyushki.
              And the dream of our Lieber will come true: we are at war with China, "we said, and you ..."
              2. China kicked the United States out of Asia and carefully looked around. Where is my reliable rear?
              No guys, Odessa had a simpler problem "between Scylla and Charybdis." And here, everywhere there is a wedge.
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 25 June 2016 16: 31
            +3
            Answer for Stas157 (1) RU
            How many words. Sadness.
            Well, we would not fit in 1MB, after France it would be our turn. And in WWII, if they had hit the Reich, when he fought with France, then there would be no Second World War. Yes, raw, rearmament, etc., but the Germans on scooters.
            It’s not China, the question is more serious. How do we survive? There will be no China, Europe and the USA will crush us, and if China is bent, then it will also help them, yes, yes. Here is a plot, Churchill suggested arming captured Germans in 1945. Captured Chinese the worse, but for the loot? Butchers will be still those. Because Stas hope in God, but don’t be foolish.
            1. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 25 June 2016 22: 00
              +1
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              And in WWII, if they had hit the Reich, when he fought with France, then there would be no Second World War. Yes, raw, rearmament, etc., but the Germans on scooters.


              It would be nice, but the Finnish showed that they were unprepared for large-scale offensive operations. And if Germany were crushed, then they would have gotten British and American against themselves. Moreover, Poland would cause problems.

              Quote: Mavrikiy
              There will be no China, Europe and the USA will crush us, and if China is bent, then it will also help them, yes, yes.


              The Chinese have never loved whites. So it’s not a fact. Moreover, against China, most likely, and Japan will want to get in. And they have centuries-old graters there ...
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 25 June 2016 22: 32
              +2
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Well, we would not fit in 1MB, after France it would be our turn. And in WWII, if they had hit the Reich, when he fought with France, then there would be no Second World War.

              What do you propose to fight with the United States if China and the Americans have a conflict? Want a nuclear apocalypse?

              Quote: Mavrikiy
              There will be no China, Europe and the USA will crush us

              Do you think that thanks to China, the USA did not crush us? And it always seemed to me that this was due to the nuclear triad! China has always stood apart on the sidelines.
        4. Orionvit
          Orionvit 25 June 2016 11: 26
          +11
          Such a "neighbor", on occasion, can insert a knife in the back, we know, passed. All China's policy is based on imperial ambition, and all the surrounding countries and territories (including Siberia), they consider the essence of the lost Chinese provinces. With such a neighbor and ally, you must always be on your guard.
        5. weksha50
          weksha50 25 June 2016 11: 51
          +7
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible!



          Hmm ... What a neighbor and in what trouble ???

          If you mean China, then it has a thousand and one ways to calm the United States ... Painless and not militant ...

          Trouble ??? Let's reason soberly ... Each of them - the United States and China is trying to pursue its own expansionist policy in this region ...

          Well, who's in trouble? One gopnik trying to offend another ???
        6. Delink
          Delink 25 June 2016 12: 02
          +4
          one more thing, so that later this neighbor wouldn’t stick a knife in the back.
          And then we have more and more such friends.
        7. Blondy
          Blondy 25 June 2016 12: 49
          +1
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible!

          Well, well, today we will fit in, and in five or ten years they will organize our "jump to the north". Or to the south, with Vietnam, or with India, to sort it out - and who to fit in there?
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 25 June 2016 13: 57
            +5
            It surprises me: as soon as things get complicated with the USA, we immediately hear shouts that an alliance between Russia and China would be very helpful. In all seriousness, people consider whether we together with China will be able to repulse the NATO attack. At the same time, he is not interested in whether China needs this.
            But even more surprising to me is the statement that in the event of US aggression against China, Russia needs to stand aside and in no case come into conflict on the side of China.
            Where is your logic, gentlemen commentators?
            Everyone knows that the United States will not attack China, because it could be fraught with the United States itself. All that is required of us is that we support a neighboring (friendly, mind you!) Country in difficult times. And it may not necessarily be military assistance, there are many other means to stop aggression against one state to another.
            1. Salvodor
              Salvodor 25 June 2016 14: 06
              +2
              The logic is that we need to act as beneficial to us, to learn from the United States in time to leave, in time to come.
              1. sergey2017
                sergey2017 25 June 2016 22: 07
                0
                Good strategy! All the same I put +1! And your full name is by chance not Salvador Domenec Felip Jacint Dali?
                1. Salvodor
                  Salvodor 27 June 2016 17: 04
                  0
                  No) I'm just SalvOdor)
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 25 June 2016 16: 56
            +2
            Quote: Blondy
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible!

            Well, well, today we will fit in, and in five or ten years they will organize our "jump to the north". Or to the south, with Vietnam, or with India, to sort it out - and who to fit in there?

            In fact, everyone, always, everywhere fit in for themselves. And about poor relatives it's Christmas tales. If after China it’s our turn under the knife, then probably our interest and not small fit in.
            It’s another matter, they will breed there, before a nuclear war, and then sharply once and from all sides on us. The layout is convenient. From the north of the USA, from the east of Japan, from the south of China, ISIS, Turkey, from the west of the EU (especially Poland, infection). Here is a carousel. And you are China, China .... Flowers.
            1. Salvodor
              Salvodor 25 June 2016 19: 17
              +1
              By the way, such a plausible option, China was promised part of our east, and under the guise of a confrontation with the United States, it will gather strength and squeeze us around the world, here's an ass.
          3. Amurets
            Amurets 26 June 2016 02: 48
            +1
            Quote: Blondy
            Well, well, today we will fit in, and in five or ten years they will organize our "jump to the north". Or to the south, with Vietnam, or with India, to sort it out - and who to fit in there?

            Would you like? With the final delimitation, they would not have made concessions, and the border would have gone along the Stanovoi Range according to the Nerchinsk Treaty of 1684, because the Aigun Treaty of 1858 and the Beijing Treaty securing it were violated in 1900.http: //milomalo.ru/archives/11896
            Although, the violation came from the Chinese side. The Chinese remember the "Manchurian wedge" and the Annunciation pogrom. In Hei-He there is a museum dedicated to the "Amur bathing" of the Chinese, and so Russians are not allowed into it under any "sauce". I do not deny that the Chinese have strong aspirations to the South and Southwest and to Central Asia and Kazakhstan. That it is madness to be thoughtless and hope that the PRC will not move to the Far East is madness, for this the PRC has other ways. one argument: for some reason everyone forgets that Russia serves as a shield against an attack by US strategic forces on the territory of the PRC from the north. This is even in the military concept of the PRC. There is a series of books called "The Red Dragon. The Armed Forces of China" find, including in the strategic aspirations of China.
            1. bald
              bald 26 June 2016 20: 53
              0
              According to earlier publications, the great China, after solving the southern problems (with India, Japan and the USA), will have to chop off Siberia, at the very least I do not want Russia, they have it clogged with plans. By the way, we already had a cut with the Chinese. If anyone reads, according to the results of the peace treaty, they were obliged to build the Great Wall of China along the border (why the loopholes were turned on it towards China) and didn’t settle outside it, which then violated.
        8. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 25 June 2016 13: 51
          +1
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible!

          It is preferable to us that both sides lose in the best case, well, or China should lose. Losing the United States will not be the best outcome.
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 25 June 2016 10: 25
        +1
        But this doesn’t work out if they start a war (nuclear war), then everyone will have to fit in because there will be no other choice, rockets will start letting everything go just in case they say that if everyone dies like that.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 25 June 2016 11: 54
          +2
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          But this will not work, if they start a war (nuclear), then everyone will have to fit in



          Calm down .. Nobody is throwing at anyone and not going to ...

          PS According to Lao Tzu - everyone will try to wait for the moment when the corpse of the defeated tiger flows past him on the river ...

          PS Corrupted the dictum according to modern circumstances ...
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 25 June 2016 13: 55
            +2
            Quote: weksha50
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            But this will not work, if they start a war (nuclear), then everyone will have to fit in



            Calm down .. Nobody is throwing at anyone and not going to ...

            PS According to Lao Tzu - everyone will try to wait for the moment when the corpse of the defeated tiger flows past him on the river ...

            PS Corrupted the dictum according to modern circumstances ...

            Here I would argue that the United States will squeeze China when it builds an operational missile defense system that can neutralize all nuclear potential. Further, the matter of global nuclear strike technology. China, like the Russian Federation, understands the threat of missile defense.
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 25 June 2016 17: 17
              +1
              [quote = Phantom of revolution] Here I would argue, the USA will squeeze the PRC when it builds an operational missile defense system that can neutralize all nuclear potential. Further, the matter of global nuclear strike technology. China, like the Russian Federation, understands the threat of missile defense. [/ Quote]

              Hmm ... And I keep talking about this all the time ... Whatever internally hidden feuds (what I came up with) between Russia and China, but the United States understands perfectly well that, having united, these two "friends" are antipodes quickly break their spine ...

              If China and Russia had united, a kirdyk would have come to the "hegemony" of the United States long ago ... Well, the fact that in the future there would be a struggle for world championship between the PRC and the Russian Federation is clear to the grandmother on the bench at the entrance ... smart and balanced policy on both sides - peace on the planet could have existed for another 50 to 100 years ... Then one tilt would have collapsed, the history of the development of human civilization has long confirmed this ...
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 25 June 2016 10: 32
        +4
        Quote: Vladimirets
        The main thing is not to fit into the "hot war for anyone.

        Why fit into the allies in the war? We are now engaged in fire prevention. For example, making a color revolution is now more expensive at times and victory is not unique, and war is even more unpredictable.
      4. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 25 June 2016 15: 56
        -1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        discuss this issue.

        The main thing is not to fit into the "hot war" for anyone. yes

        Smart you, Fedya. Well, do we have state geopolitical interests? Or put the question in a selfish manner, so that it would be more understandable. Do you want to live tomorrow?
      5. NIKNN
        NIKNN 25 June 2016 18: 31
        +5
        How not to interfere? To miss such a nuclear-free opportunity to visit the Yankees with the help of China? It is not necessary to drive the Yanks into the Stone Age with all their might, so that they are on their knees asking to join the EP with a lifetime payment of membership dues (indemnities). :)
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 25 June 2016 10: 45
      +8
      America continues to believe that it remains the main police officer in this part of the planet. "

      Well, yes, yes, the United States continues to consider itself the main gendarme of the whole world, and not just "this part of the planet", the exclusivity is so pretentious.

      “Many high-ranking Chinese officials have long believed that a war between China and America is inevitable. A new, growing power always clashes with an old dominant power.

      But mattressed high-ranking officials seem to count so little, sort of doves of the world, probably plant flowers around our borders, did you want to fight?
      China is not a country with which one can play such games, "" the newspaper writes.

      yes
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 01
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        Well, yes, yes, yes, the USA continues to consider itself the main gendarme of the whole world,



        Vladimir, this is their (the United States) and the mistake that they simultaneously appointed two of those responsible for the "drop in their world rating" - the PRC and Russia ...

        Speaking of mentality, Russia is much more dangerous for them ... Speaking from a pragmatic point of view, then China ...

        "World hegemon-gendarme-overlord" is the mentality ...
        "Money-wealth-management. And, yes, even writing off at the time of multi-billion dollar debts, which also refers to wealth and money ..." - this is pure pragmatics ...

        Well ... And what will get over ???

        Judging by Hillary Clinton - the mentality ...
        According to Trump - the second ...
        According to Obama - it’s already violet and on the drum ...
  2. grau
    grau 25 June 2016 10: 21
    +1
    No need to rush with help let yourself get bogged down from the beginning
  3. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 25 June 2016 10: 21
    +3
    .... A new empowering power always comes into conflict with an old dominant power ...
    Who is old here and who is new? Nothing beguiled?)))
  4. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 June 2016 10: 22
    +3
    If the United States will shamelessly provoke everyone, then these conflicts will ripen everywhere with them. It seems that the "friends" have absolutely nothing to lose, so everything has become bad.
  5. Yarik76
    Yarik76 25 June 2016 10: 22
    +3
    The situation in the world is tense and these movements are proof of this! Mattress on so many fronts is not enough - tear nafig!
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: Yarik76
      the situation in the world is tense and these movements are proof of this! Mattress on so many fronts is not enough - tear nafig!


      The whole problem is that a crazy person or drug addict absolutely loses the boundaries of real life ... This is so, in relation to the USA - but not to China ...
  6. Khariton
    Khariton 25 June 2016 10: 25
    +4
    The Chinese will not fight the United States ... (they are too connected with each other ..)
    And the Chinese have a thin gut to fight clearly! (They like to wait.)
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 25 June 2016 10: 41
      +7
      I would not say that the Chinese have a small intestine (you would know how they live in their villages, the barracks are heated by stoves, my dormitory barracks in the 90th hotel has 5 stars in comparison, but their computer class is always super) . The economy is simply tied to mattresses and their satellites.
      Everyone has already forgotten how to wake up under the anthem, the team is off, but they don’t ..
  7. hirurg
    hirurg 25 June 2016 10: 25
    +2
    The United States only flaunts, and in fact does not even jerk. What happens if China throws off US bonds? It is true that not only the US economy will collapse.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 June 2016 10: 28
      +5
      Quote: hirurg
      What happens if China throws off US bonds? It is true that not only the US economy will collapse.

      In the global war, nevermind who has whose bonds. The winner will receive everything with interest. yes
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 25 June 2016 10: 44
        +5
        Quote: Vladimirets
        In the global war, nevermind who has whose bonds. The winner will receive everything with interest

        It seems to me that if something happens, then at the level of a local conflict between the PRC and the Philippines. The Americans will play with muscles, and when they see that the PRC is not afraid of them, they will backtrack. This is how I see the development of the scenario of this conflict. Why do I think so ? Yes, because neither the Americans nor the Chinese need this conflict. The dismantling is going on locally.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 25 June 2016 11: 35
          0
          American muscles, like Schwarzenegger is now, seemed to be healthy, but take a closer look, everything is already flabby and hanging for a long time.

          According to the magazine, many "experts believe that a military conflict between the United States and China is impossible because of the scale and consequences, since America and China are nuclear powers, and this should already a priori put an end to any armed conflicts between them."
          So what. In World War II, everyone had chemical weapons, but this did not stop the unleashing of the greatest carnage, even without its use. In addition, indeed, China is the largest trading partner and holder of US securities. The truth is nothing but green candy wrappers this does not bring China.
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 08
          0
          Quote: Amurets
          Why do I think so? Yes, because neither the Americans nor the Chinese need this conflict. Disassemblies are taking place locally.


          Speak the truth ... It's all - politician and nonsense ... hi
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 25 June 2016 11: 48
        0
        In a global war, the winner will not get a damn thing, except for devastation. And if God forbid the war is nuclear, then there will be no winner at all.
      3. hirurg
        hirurg 25 June 2016 11: 52
        0
        Will not receive, there will be no winner. smile
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 25 June 2016 13: 18
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        In the global war, nevermind who has whose bonds. The winner will receive everything with interest. yes

        In the global atomic war, cockroaches adapted to radiation will be the winners.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: hirurg
      What happens if China throws off US bonds? It is true that not only the US economy will collapse.


      But nothing will happen ... Name the buyer who rushed to this waste paper ...

      And if you mean the failed fact that the United States will give real money for these securities, then remember how they "gave and give away" gold to their allies and partners ...
  8. atamankko
    atamankko 25 June 2016 10: 31
    +1
    If ensued, the whole world will suffer, God forbid.
  9. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 25 June 2016 10: 43
    +3
    In this fuss, I bet on China. Bets are accepted)
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 25 June 2016 10: 48
    +1
    Now the Chinese will simply take away their entire fleet from the United States in repayment of the debt! And the whole war will end before it begins.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 June 2016 10: 54
    +5
    "China is not a country with which you can play these games" "

    In recent years, China has repeatedly put the United States in its place (this is a US reconnaissance aircraft forcibly landed in China, these are harsh statements addressed to American politicians, which allowed harsh statements, etc.). It seems to me that the Americans are rattling their weapons and this will end. True, there is another option - to unleash a local conflict with the wrong hands and observe from the side. When there are dissatisfied with the actions of the PRC in this region, the most important thing is to provoke in time and in the right place.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 25 June 2016 11: 32
      +4
      rotmistr60 (4) SU Today, 10: 54
      Well, everything is simple, in the sky of Russia, the Americans and their friends are not even allowed to cross the border — the constant support of the Goals. They decided to check China weakly))) checked to their backsight.
      Landing plane, China did not give suspiciously long))))
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: VALERIK_097
        Landing plane, China suspiciously did not give))))



        Hmm ... As always ... It took time to copy ...
  12. passing
    passing 25 June 2016 11: 08
    +1
    Pay attention to Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Africa where it does not burn, it burns, the question is, where and when will it explode? And you may not agree, but a few seconds remain on the futuristic watch.
  13. berezin1987
    berezin1987 25 June 2016 11: 18
    +2
    It would be good to conclude an agreement on mutual military assistance with China. Russia supplies them with weapons, materials difficult to manufacture, energy, food, and the Chinese supply us with machine tools, electronics, and production lines. In the near future, Russia and China are on the way, but in 25-30 years, China will double the US in terms of economy (in terms of industrial output it is already ahead of now). Potentially, it will be much more dangerous than the United States now. All superpowers are aggressive in nature and China is unlikely to be an exception.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 25 June 2016 11: 46
      +3
      The entire "huge" US economy is based solely on printing the dollar. If during the Second World War and after, the states had a real manufacturing sector, now they have problems with this. The last jeans in the USA were made in 2002. It is as simple as an indicator because it applies to everything else. Even in the military-industrial complex, states have huge problems with skilled personnel. (as well as in the army) So if in the near future the states do not get involved in some kind of war, then in five years, they will simply not be able to fight.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 25 June 2016 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: berezin1987
      It would be good to conclude an agreement on mutual military assistance with China. Russia supplies them with weapons, materials difficult to manufacture, energy, food, and the Chinese supply us with machine tools, electronics, and production lines.


      This is good for you (us) ... Have you asked China?

      Yeah ... The first part is understandable ... They already got everything and still get it ...
      As for the second part ... For some reason, the same goods in the USA and Russia go of completely different quality ... Do you know why?
      The United States once closed its market for Chinese goods precisely because of their poor quality ... And what ??? Yes, after 2-3 years, high-quality products went to the USA ...

      Look at what goes to US ... "Machine tools, electronics, production lines" ...

      I think there are entrepreneurs on the forum who have repeatedly encountered Chinese supplies ... I hope they add something, tell me ...

      "Potentially, he (China) will be much more dangerous than the United States now. All superpowers are aggressive in nature and China is unlikely to be an exception"...

      What are we talking about ...
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 25 June 2016 12: 53
        +3
        The Russian hucksters are to blame for the poor quality goods. I often order Chinese goods and do not experience any quality problems. The Chinese can sell everything they want to buy from them. The buyer wants to make the goods cheaper in the Chinese factory - they will do the disposable thing, which is often dangerous to handle. You need quality and guarantees - pay the loot. Of course, the release of bullshit products hits China's reputation, but it allows you to get money from poor clients. While they take in quantity, but over time, the quality will be equal to Japanese and Korean, as well as the price.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 25 June 2016 17: 21
          0
          Quote: berezin1987
          The Chinese can sell everything they want to buy from them.



          Well so ... What I said ... I completely agree with your comment ... In the sense - to control the trade and quality of goods received from China, you can ... If you want some ...
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 June 2016 11: 36
    +1
    There will be no war between China and the United States. The reason is that the US is GUARANTEED to destroy all of China, and China has little to say. Is that ihnim 41 of something there Solid fuel. (Dunfeng, it seems). I spoke with friends from the Institute of Heat Engineering. They say that if the Chinese invented gunpowder, the calorific value is TWICE higher than liquid fuel, then yes, and so - "paper tiger". China does not publish data on its warheads - how many and which ones. But hardly a lot. China is starting to expand into its domestic market. It's still so ... ancient. Schools have shown them recently. In the province. Oh, mom ... we didn't have it in the 30s, during industrialization. Monstrous, all the same contrast - with high-speed trains and powerful production.
  15. weksha50
    weksha50 25 June 2016 11: 47
    +1
    ""The main thing is the conflict between the two superpowers... The conflict, at least at this stage, is that China has become a leader in the Pacific, and America continues to believe that it remains the main police officer in this part of the planet. "

    Hmm ... As a kitchen and sofa analyst, I can only say that all this possibility of a war between the PRC and the USA is media speculation ...

    Now, whatever one may say, the United States dominates the world ... Two opponents that hinder the "hegemon" are China and Russia, which suddenly entered the world arena with an attempt to regain the right of the decisive vote ...

    No matter how anyone shouted about the friendship of China and Russia (the USSR) forever, these people are mistaken ... Both Russia and China have long become NOT THESE states, which some of their politicians (including ours) continue to consider ...

    China, if I WANTED war with the USA, would long ago enter a military alliance with Russia ... Moreover, in the creation (imposition) of this alliance, it would play a dominant role ...

    And so ... He promised something to his neighbor (Russia), even "supported" him, not having voted against him in the UN ... But he did not help to solve at least part of his problems related to sanctions costs ...

    God forbid that China make a mistake by not embarking on the same position with Russia - not only defensive, but ... as if to delicately say ... restraining-attacking ...

    If the United States had not been chasing the role of "hegemon" EVERYWHERE on a global scale, it would have long ago ceased to climb into the Pacific region, giving it to China (having received a powerful global ally for a time), thereby redirecting its further foreign policy against Russia, to which The PRC has territorial claims that China does not publicize as loudly as Japan ...

    In general, if anything happens in this region between the United States and China, this will only confirm the short-sightedness of the US foreign policy, and I, as a kitchen analyst, will once again receive confirmation that only UE are in the US leadership ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 25 June 2016 12: 02
      +2
      Quote: weksha50

      In general, if anything happens in this region between the United States and China, this will only confirm the short-sightedness of the US foreign policy, and I, as a kitchen analyst, will once again receive confirmation that only UE are in the US leadership ...

      Nothing will happen? Putin’s visit to China will signal to the United States that Russia will support China. How this will happen is not yet clear. But Putin’s visit is China’s support, like Lavrov’s earlier made in support of China.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 25 June 2016 17: 26
        0
        Quote: Amurets
        Nothing will happen? Putin’s visit to China will signal to the US that Russia will support China. How this will happen is not yet clear. But Putin’s visit is China’s support, as did Lavrov’s earlier in support of China.


        Damn, the point is not that ...

        Again "Russia will support China" ... Yes, she has been supporting him for many decades, no matter how bad she herself is ...

        And when China seriously support Russia ???
  16. sieras
    sieras 25 June 2016 11: 47
    +2
    China as a "brother" can count on a kind word and for "abstaining" in the UN in a punitive vote against China :). They, after all, also "supported" by abstinence.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 June 2016 12: 12
    0
    Someone really wants to push the Chinese with striped foreheads, and they themselves, in my opinion, want to measure their strength, since the Chinese economy has come forward.
  18. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 25 June 2016 13: 00
    +2
    Yes, Americans only come into conflict with the weak, but they will not fight with a nuclear country, but they will incite other countries to denigrate China or other countries in propagating the American masters
  19. berezin1987
    berezin1987 25 June 2016 13: 07
    +3
    China now does not need a war with anyone, they are able to play in the long term. With the growth of the Chinese economy 6-7% every year, the mattress has no chance of holding global leadership in the coming 10-15 years. So far, the Americans still have significant military superiority over China in aviation, navy and missile weapons, but over time it will become less and less obvious. China is conducting a systematic economic takeover of the planet, buying up technology, scientists, patents, American and European high-tech companies. War is the last argument of a bankrupt who has nothing to answer to his opponent. In ten years, the United States will not have obvious technological advantages over competitors, even in certain areas, so they want to push them together: Russia with the EU, China with Japan and India. But the main victory for the United States would be a war between Russia and China with the use of WMD. The Americans dream of destroying China with the hands of Russia, helping us with weapons and materials. Such a war will be a disaster for two nations, hundreds of millions of people will fall into it, and mattresses will receive another golden age.
    1. MiRvSeMvDoM
      MiRvSeMvDoM 25 June 2016 17: 49
      +1
      Alexander, you shot at the top ten! Everything is very true yes
  20. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 25 June 2016 13: 17
    0
    Many senior Chinese officials have long believed that war between China and America is inevitable.

    Srendili? Have these high-ranking Chinese officials seen trade between China and China?
  21. Valkh
    Valkh 25 June 2016 13: 29
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    discuss this issue.

    The main thing is not to fit into the "hot war" for anyone. yes

    Exactly!!! It has long been time for the Chaynites to put an end to the Pendian leadership in their region !!!
  22. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut 25 June 2016 18: 44
    0
    "My enemy, the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
    So with China: to the best of our ability to trade, get investments, carry out joint projects ... It seems to be allies. This is better than open confrontation. This we have already passed ...
    There are not many economically developed countries left that did not impose sanctions against us ...
    And the excessive military efforts of the United States will sooner or later "tear the navel" of its economy. The conflict with China is not the occupation of some "banana republic".
    The more US troops in the east, the fewer there are in Europe. Today, Fashington troops are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, ... And powerful groups are in the east. Well, the United States will not be able to carry out a military occupation of "the whole world"
  23. Skubudu
    Skubudu 26 June 2016 00: 28
    0
    In the event of a conflict, the United States will not even have to use nuclear weapons.
    They will simply flood the entire Chinese fleet, impose a blockade and sanctions.
    The flooding of the Chinese fleet will strengthen US influence in the Pacific, give impetus to the return of production in the United States and indicate the Chinese their place in the world.
    If China dares to use even tactical nuclear weapons in US AUGs.
    In response, the United States will evaporate about 700-800 million Chinese.
    The Chinese live very urbanized and they are very vulnerable to nuclear weapons.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 26 June 2016 23: 48
      0
      But the US does not fall off the flooding? China is no longer the same, you know, and China has its own bastions, and decent aircraft, and they built ships pretty well. And fight them near the house, unlike the United States. So who else will flood the fleet ...
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 June 2016 03: 57
    0
    Why are you grinding so much for war?
    Nafig the war did not surrender to anyone. Everyone now prefers to quietly resolve issues.
    And again, until next year, sharp movements should not be expected.
    Yes, and Brexit this figs yet ... So the fuss around the world and without China is enough.
  25. oleg_1966
    oleg_1966 26 June 2016 09: 10
    0
    Forever where Americans are and there are conflicts
  26. Who said
    Who said 26 June 2016 18: 16
    0
    It is necessary to organize a small provocation and then, under the guise of turning both of them into radioactive ashes
  27. Vadim12
    Vadim12 26 June 2016 22: 24
    -1
    China is not our friend. Just a temporary coincidence of interests. Better to promise and stay away. Your worries up your throat. By the way, they did not even recognize Crimea. Just a neighbor.
  28. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 26 June 2016 23: 44
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    But throwing a neighbor in trouble is also impossible!

    And this neighbor, at least somehow helped Russia in similar situations ?? It is also necessary, as China does, to be neutral to the conflict and act as peacekeepers to reconcile the parties.


    And before that, give China and America a proper hand for each other, let them transfer resources.