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New data on flaws on the F-35. Now and failing software

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Information about the next problems associated with the US military aircraft 5-generation F-35, publishes an information portal DefenseNews. The material reports that the developers are struggling with problems in the software, which manifested themselves during the launch of aircraft engines. It turns out that the pilots who “had the honor” to fly the F-35 faced the need to restart the computerized devices on board the aircraft before take-off.


The article reports that dozens of cases of “hang-up” of various digital aircraft systems, including condition sensors on board the aircraft itself, were noted during the flight. The reboot not only took time and made the aircraft vulnerable, but also led to the fact that the claimed functionality of the newest fighter aircraft was significantly reduced.

Now, as reported, the developers have taken into account the problems with digital equipment and software. According to some reports, the main problems were related to the fact that the software used in the F-35 systems began to “misfire” during the engine start-up process.

New data on flaws on the F-35. Now and failing software


A representative of the United States Air Force, Captain Richard Paltz, who has experience with flying the F-35, notes that the software’s performance was also affected by the relatively fast discharge of the internal battery. One of the serious problems is the problem with navigation at the moment when it was necessary to restart the software responsible for the work of navigation equipment.

If, however, according to the command of the US Air Force, "pilots didn’t cause significant problems with the software." And if you believe the words of the developers, the new version of the software (referred to as 3ib6.21) will not be at risk of failures, either before taking off the F-35, or while performing tasks in the sky.
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Alaysia Berry, US Air Force
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 24 June 2016 15: 18
    +14
    They got a golden fig ...

    1. Vend
      Vend 24 June 2016 15: 19
      +7
      Quote: DEZINTO
      They got a golden fig ...

      Platinum fig laughing
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin 24 June 2016 15: 26
        +15
        Quote: Wend
        Platinum fig

        Nothing, they will force their allies to buy.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 24 June 2016 15: 33
          0
          New data on flaws on the F-35. Now and failing software

          If some partner countries refuse to buy this plane, then why is the software worse? - It also refuses ... to work. smile
        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN 24 June 2016 16: 51
          +2
          On the way, windows are driving there ...
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 24 June 2016 20: 28
            +1
            Quote: NIKNN
            On the way, windows are driving there ...

            And moreover, it turns out specifically ...
            But if the system fails in the office, this is one thing, even if the server, and if in the air ?!
            At a height, "catch" the bird with an air intake, even if it does not "get" to the engine, the air flow will decrease, that's a failure with the engine, and then the system "hangs"!
            Then try to "reboot"!
            He will fly without thrust like that ax down the river from the village of Kukuevo!
            And if he was shotgun on takeoff?
            Hmmm, you guessed all the controls of the aircraft in one system!
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 June 2016 21: 38
        0
        And if you believe the words of the developers, then the new version of the software (talking about 3ib6.21) will not be subject to the risk of failures either before takeoff of the F-35, or during missions in the sky.

        Well, of course, they will call the Chinese and they will reprogram them "as expected"! laughing
      3. SerAll
        SerAll 25 June 2016 00: 22
        0
        Zadornov was right ..........................._)))))))))))))))
      4. SerAll
        SerAll 25 June 2016 00: 22
        0
        Zadornov was right ..........................._)))))))))))))))
      5. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 25 June 2016 06: 01
        +1
        Take a look at the stock exchange. Platinum is CHEAPER than gold. Then it's already brilliant laughing
    2. Altona
      Altona 24 June 2016 15: 21
      +18
      Quote: DEZINTO
      They got a golden fig ...

      -----------------
      Gold smokes nervously and overly, watching as pieces of carbon, titanium and aluminum rise in price before our eyes.
      1. bastard
        bastard 24 June 2016 16: 28
        +2
        Quote: Altona
        Gold smokes nervously and overly, watching as pieces of carbon, titanium and aluminum rise in price before our eyes.

        Usually in such cases it is recommended to paint with green paint and. ... ...
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 24 June 2016 15: 23
      +13
      So there was kind of news of a software failure.

      And by the way, the conditions of Israel were, we will buy if we put our software. Jews are smart people.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 24 June 2016 15: 26
        +4
        Yes, I've read it more than once ....! Let's forget this miracle ... We have enough problems too!
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 24 June 2016 16: 35
          +2
          Quote: Chariton
          Yes, I've read it more than once ....! Let's forget this miracle ... We have enough problems too!

          Let's!
          Aren't you seeing Israeli flags? Ahhh, nooo ... Let's finish! laughing
        2. Schulz
          Schulz 25 June 2016 08: 19
          +2
          Quote: Chariton
          Yes, I've read it more than once ....! Let's forget this miracle ... We have enough problems too!

          Well, where have you "read more than once", on VO? And it’s not destiny to read the original source, so as not to look funny then?
          Another bullshit "article", if you can call it that.
          New data on flaws on the F-35. Now and failing software

          This is the author's translation of the title "F-35 Software Runs Smoothly During Mountain Home Deployment"?
          The material reports that the developers are struggling with software problems that have manifested themselves when starting the aircraft engines. It turns out that the pilots who "had the honor" to fly the F-35 were faced with the need to restart the computerized devices on board the aircraft before takeoff.

          "The material reports" that it was revealed in April, measures were taken to correct, and in June
          "Software glitches have plagued the F-35 in recent months, but operators said they noticed a marked improvement during a June deployment where the aircraft did not experience any shutdowns".
          The article reports that dozens of cases of “hang-up” of various digital aircraft systems, including condition sensors on board the aircraft itself, were noted during the flight. The reboot not only took time and made the aircraft vulnerable, but also led to the fact that the claimed functionality of the newest fighter aircraft was significantly reduced.

          Where in the article is it written about "dozens of cases" and "functionality has significantly decreased"?

          A representative of the United States Air Force, Captain Richard Paltz, who has experience with flying the F-35, notes that the software’s performance was also affected by the relatively fast discharge of the internal battery. One of the serious problems is the problem with navigation at the moment when it was necessary to restart the software responsible for the work of navigation equipment.

          The author translated this phrase of the Finger like that? Not weak !: "Spare F-35s were used twice due to minor hardware problems that kept jets grounded during takeoff, said Capt. Richard Palz, officer in charge of the 34th Aircraft Maintenance Unit. In one incident, an internal battery failed and had to be removed and replaced. During the second event, the plane's initial navigation system failed, necessitating maintenance."
          And if you believe the words of the developers, then the new version of the software (talking about 3ib6.21) will not be subject to the risk of failures either before takeoff of the F-35, or during missions in the sky.

          What do you mean, "if you believe .." and "will not be exposed"? The article clearly states that the aircraft were equipped with the latest software and there were no glitches on the ground, not in the air: "For the deployment, jets were outfitted with the latest version of the software, 3ib6.21, Matherne said. He said that no shutdowns occurred on the ground or in flight due to software glitches."
          Another article sucked out of the finger in which lies are more than truth and which in the original none of those discussing it here with the air of experts read.
          "Article" is a minus.
      2. Khariton
        Khariton 24 June 2016 15: 48
        -3
        Quote: Sith Lord
        And by the way, the conditions of Israel were, we will buy if we put our software. Jews are smart people.

        They don't need them ... Well, if for the image .... He took off and immediately landed! Bombers, short-range action is what they need ... and the rest of them will be covered by the lobby in the world!
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 24 June 2016 16: 51
        -3
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        So there was kind of news of a software failure.

        And by the way, the conditions of Israel were, we will buy if we put our software. Jews are smart people.

        Why do not weird junk drag here. The problems identified in February are completely overcome.
        F-3's Block 35i software problems have been successfully resolved in recent months, with no shutdowns recorded in June.
        In April, it was reported that problems with this software led to the fact that every three to four hours it was necessary to restart programs that were disabled without warning. The US Air Force, Idaho, operated 88 flights this month with 100% software reliability. The base has seven F-35A fighters with 160 flight, technical and management personnel. These aircraft are equipped with the latest version of this unit, designated 3ib6.21.
        It is noted that the flight readiness of the F-35 is approaching the level of the F-16. Previously, things were not so rosy - in February this year, at Edwards Air Force Base (California), an attempt was made to lift six F-35A aircraft into the air at once, but only one fighter was able to perform a quick takeoff. This failure has been described as a "symptom of immature systems and software"
        1. iwind
          iwind 24 June 2016 17: 04
          +3
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Why do not weird junk drag here. The problems identified in February are completely overcome.

          It's not even old. And just distortions of the new article about the F-35 wink
          http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2016/06/21/f35-soft
          ware-mountain-home-deployment / 86191386 /
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 24 June 2016 17: 09
            -4
            Quote: iwind
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Why do not weird junk drag here. The problems identified in February are completely overcome.

            It's not even old. And just distortions of the new article about the F-35 wink
            http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2016/06/21/f35-soft

            ware-mountain-home-deployment / 86191386 /

            Well, why do you need to know the truth? It's easier to believe in your own Wishlist.
            1. iwind
              iwind 24 June 2016 17: 24
              +8
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Well, why do you need to know the truth? It's easier to believe in your own Wishlist.

              Yeah. But now it looks quite ridiculous. It reminds the reaction of a child who closes his ears and eyes and yells, so as not to hear and not see what is unpleasant for him.
              Notice how news is selectively published here.
              Add. order for 11 f-35 - "silent".
              Order for 27 from Denmark - "silent".
              F-35 transatlantic flights home to the Netherlands + 3 week tests there - "silent"
              Sending F-35 to GSI - "silent".
              Delivery of the first F-35I of Israel - "silent"
              The completion of the ICG .... well, it would be better if they did not write. why so ..... distort the news
              And this is about a month and a half somewhere. lol
            2. Simple
              Simple 24 June 2016 17: 29
              +1
              Drop this thing, both of you.
              Why cotton wool to crush.
              The people will not believe you: gold / platinum / cut.
              This is in favor.
              SchA minuses stick, do not wash off.
              Now, if Aron wrote: Israel abandoned the penguin (and even better in favor of the MIG-35).
              Would be out
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 24 June 2016 17: 37
                +4
                Quote: Just
                Drop this thing, both of you.
                Why cotton wool is crushed. The people will not believe you: gold / platinum / cut.
                This is in favor.
                You’ll get the minuses, you won’t get washed away. If Aron wrote: Israel refused the penguin (and even better in favor of the MIG-35).
                Would be out
                why am I going to lie? Less business is gaining, and the forum is still not only for fans, but also for fans of military affairs and history.

                On June 22, 2016 at the Lockheed Martin enterprise in Fort Worth (Texas, USA), the roll-out ceremony of the first F-35I Lightning II fighter (Israeli designation Adir) built for the Israeli Air Force - aircraft with the serial number AS-1 (Israeli tail number) 901 "). The rollout ceremony was attended by Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who is on an official visit to the United States, Israeli Air Force Chief of Staff Brigadier General Tal Kelman, representatives of the Israeli and US defense departments and the management of Lockheed Martin Corporation.
                The first deflated F-35I will be handed over to the Israel Air Force at the end of 2016. To date, Israel has contracted 33 F-35I fighters through Foreign Military Sales (FMS) - 19 aircraft under an October 2010 agreement worth $ 2,75 billion and 14 aircraft under an agreement dated February 2015 worth $ 2,82 billion. (with an option for 17 more fighters). The first two aircraft under the 2010 agreement AS-1 and AS-2 (LRIP 8 series) will be used to test the integration of Israeli systems and personnel training. The deliveries of 17 combat fighters under the 2010 agreement will be made in 2017 (seven aircraft of the LRIP 9 series) and 2018 (ten aircraft of the LRIP 11 series), and 14 aircraft under the 2015 agreement from 2019 to 2021.
                The ordered F-35I aircraft should go into service with two Israeli Air Force squadrons at the Nevatim airbase - first the 140th squadron being reconstructed (was disbanded in 2013, previously flew on F-16A / B fighters), and then the 116th squadron (now also equipped with F-16A / B).
                In the coming months, equipment and software created by Israeli companies specially commissioned by the Israel Defense Forces will be installed on the aircraft, as well as the first flight tests.
                It should be noted that Israel will become not only the first US ally to receive the latest aircraft, but also the only one that received the right to install its own systems on the F-35. It was this requirement that explained the significant delay in the negotiations on the purchase of the first batch of aircraft.
                In addition, the Israeli concerns received orders for the production of individual elements for all the F-35 aircraft produced by the concern as part of a package deal. In particular, the Israel Aviation Industry concern is engaged in the assembly of wings for aircraft, and the Elbit corporation has developed a flight helmet specifically for F-35 pilots.
                In total, Israel should by the end of 2020 receive 33 aircraft and 4 flight simulators with a total value of $ 5,3 billion. It is planned that up to half of the training pilots will conduct it on simulators, which should significantly reduce the cost of training.
                U.S. Secretary of Defense Avigdor Lieberman has already announced that a decision has been made to purchase 17 more aircraft, bringing their total to 50 and the formation of two squadrons of 25 aircraft each until 2023.
                At the first stage, new aircraft will be entrusted only to experienced pilots who will undergo retraining courses from 4th generation aircraft. Graduates of the Air Force flight courses at this stage will continue training on F-15 and F-16 aircraft.
                1. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 25 June 2016 06: 14
                  0
                  A good plane or so-so, it will be clear only during operation. And the fact that the Israeli pilots "whole soul" from this plane was taken out. Well, with the help of our friends "from there" we are the first to find out whether the plane has justified the Hope of the developers or not.
              2. iwind
                iwind 24 June 2016 17: 42
                +2
                Quote: Just
                SchA minuses stick, do not wash off.

                Do you think I have at least some business and these minuses :)) This is such a fun, why quit?
                1. Simple
                  Simple 24 June 2016 20: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  but also for lovers of military affairs and history.

                  Aaron ... well, what then for "professionals military affairs topwar?
                  gold? cut? So i'm right hi
                  Quote: iwind
                  Do you think I have at least some business with these minuses :))

                  Well, sorry. I'm not knowing ...
                  Quote: iwind
                  This is such a fun, why quit?

                  well yes...
                  ZY.children sent. So have fun
              3. GSH-18
                GSH-18 25 June 2016 12: 03
                +1
                Quote: Just
                Now, if Aron wrote: Israel abandoned the penguin (and even better in favor of the MIG-35).
                Would be out

                Really out. Full! lol Such a combat unit like the Mig-35 does not currently exist in nature. The Mig-35 project has not yet fully completed R&D, let alone weapons for it, which is not there.
                1. Simple
                  Simple 25 June 2016 16: 44
                  -2
                  What out?
                  Well hotts, so replace with instant-29 ***.
                  The essence of the thought "" will not change ...

                  And what "R&D" do you broadcast about?
                  The difference between mu niokr and lki is still significant!
            3. slavinsk
              slavinsk 25 June 2016 09: 20
              +3
              Here they do not like the truth, as well as an opinion different from the majority. Hurray patriots in the majority, in which minuses replace intellect.
        2. Altona
          Altona 24 June 2016 17: 34
          +1
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Why do not weird junk drag here. The problems identified in February are completely overcome.

          -------------------------------
          Are eliminators and overcomers at the expense of the developer? They are also not free. It’s like laying a deliberately bad road, because we will repair it later, and this is money again.
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        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 24 June 2016 19: 55
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Why do not weird junk drag here. The problems identified in February are completely overcome.

          Well, not really old. English probably not forgotten yet?
          F-35 Software Runs Smoothly During Mountain Home Deployment
          Valerie Insinna, Defense News 8: 26 pm EDT June 21, 2016
          1. Schulz
            Schulz 25 June 2016 10: 56
            +1
            Quote: Алексей_К

            Well, not really old. English probably not forgotten yet?

            Interpretation of the article does not raise questions?
          2. Schulz
            Schulz 25 June 2016 10: 56
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К

            Well, not really old. English probably not forgotten yet?

            Interpretation of the article does not raise questions?
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 June 2016 21: 40
        0
        Quote: Sith Lord
        And by the way, the conditions of Israel were, buy if we put our software. Jews are smart people.

        To Chinese buggy iron ??? belay laughing On it, only Chinese software on hieroglyphs without failures (possibly) will work! laughing
        No, I do not mind, don't buy! lol
      5. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 25 June 2016 09: 19
        +1
        New software is already a new aircraft. To believe the military’s verbosity is the last thing. There may be several reasons, options:
        - the supplier supplied a low-quality cable (from experience)
        - programmers did not correctly allocate the "time budget" of the processes. (Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V) nobody canceled. Testers worked with one "time budget" process, but in real life, slightly others are required. (also from experience).
        - the developers did not fix all the remarks of the testers (this is widespread)
        As a result, they will figure it out.
    4. Homo
      Homo 24 June 2016 15: 37
      +3
      Quote: DEZINTO
      They got a golden fig ...

      They just got FIGUINA and not a plane!
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 25 June 2016 12: 10
        0
        Quote: Homo
        Quote: DEZINTO
        They got a golden fig ...

        They just got FIGUINA and not a plane!

        In three versions: Figovina, shnyagovina and bullshit! laughing
        But the Jews pour boiling water, so they want to get hold of lol this shnyaga flying through time laughing
        Nehai torment. Anyway, then they will turn to us for the Su-35! yes
    5. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 24 June 2016 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      They got a golden fig ...

      Yes ... sometimes it's better to redo than redo!
    6. Andrey K
      Andrey K 24 June 2016 17: 03
      +6
      Quote: DEZINTO
      They got a golden fig ...

      And in the meantime:
      "Lockheed Martin has unveiled the first 5th generation F-35i" Adir "fighter, which will be produced for the Israeli Armed Forces.
      The ceremony of handing over the first vehicle was attended by: Israeli Defense Minister, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Air Force Brigadier General Tal Kelman, representatives of the US and Israeli defense departments, as well as company representatives. "

      (http://warfiles.ru/show-121642-lockheed-martin-peredala-pervyy-istrebitel-f-35i


      -adir-dlya-izrailya.html)
      Not by washing, so by rolling - they sell the car to the allies. Probably they hope that the Israelis, where necessary - will tighten up, where necessary - they will correct it with a rasp, well, and the avionics themselves ... somehow ... laughing
      Although ... the Israelis have nothing to lose, because these planes will cost them nothing laughing
      The United States promised to put them on the bill for military aid lol
    7. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 24 June 2016 18: 02
      0
      Laughter laughter, but it has long been calculated that its cost is one to one with a weight of gold. In fact, every fighter is actually gold.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 24 June 2016 18: 05
        -1
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        Laughter laughter, but it has long been calculated that its cost is one to one with a weight of gold. In fact, every fighter is actually gold.

        Why is that? You yourself may think that this is nonsense.
        1. Nightrain
          Nightrain 24 June 2016 19: 38
          +1
          Why is that? You yourself may think that this is nonsense.

          The first F-35 was rolled out for the Israeli Air Force. With fanfare with all sorts of cheap special effects. We stock up on popcorn, soon, wangyu, from the Israelis we will hear a lot of affectionate words about this wunderwaffe.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 24 June 2016 19: 52
          +3
          Software is not such a big problem.
          In addition to avionics, I do not see anything outstanding in this aircraft. Yes, of course the engine, which gave a thrust of 20 tons during testing (this is really a great success). But in order to increase the resource, I think they will have to reduce the thrust. And the engine is one, which is not very good for reliability. Therefore, in terms of traction equipment, his performance is not the best (i.e. nothing outstanding). The T-50 breaks records for the rate of climb, and the F-35 is not a rival here. The speed is also nothing outstanding.
          The mistake was initially laid down, its universalization, its terms of reference. Therefore, as a bomber with small bomb compartments, it is not very; as an attack aircraft more suitable than A-10; and without close combat, like a fighter, he does not satisfy needs. His stealth technology against good AA defenses is nothing. And what is such a long-range strike strategy, if there are electronic warfare systems - you still have to go into close combat. And for such a strategy, missiles are needed in a larger range than the enemy's - while the Russian Federation is the leader here. I am afraid that for any type of American-made missiles, there are already countermeasures from the side of the growing. comp. Electronic warfare, since they are all pretty old already.
          Technically, the plane is very difficult, especially with a vertical. Then the question arises in its maintenance and operation - what is the intensity of flights during its maintenance, what will it cost !? Do you need such a car for that kind of money? Something like this. hi
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 25 June 2016 12: 54
            -1
            "His stealth technology against good air defenses is not at all" /////

            I must have missed something new. What a radar capable of directing missiles,
            sees an object the size of an orange at the maximum combat range of its missile?
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 25 June 2016 16: 37
              0
              Yes, we missed the statements of the Almaz-Antey hand that the F-22 and F-35 stealth technologies are NOT a PROBLEM for Russian air defense systems. The first such statement I heard from them at an exhibition in Abu Dhabi and a long time ago. Otherwise, it would not make sense to build new plants for this company and mass-produce these complexes. hi
              1. Berxen
                Berxen 26 June 2016 14: 44
                0
                It’s as if Boeing’s leadership had declared that Russian air defense was not a problem for the F-22 and F-35.
  2. Altona
    Altona 24 June 2016 15: 19
    +8
    Damn, I don't even know how to approach such "minor sores" of the "best fighter in the world." I myself have an Android on my tablet, it itself updates or restarts something. But then the tablet, you can throw it away. Now the Israelis will come and tell you how to handle such buggy things. request
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 24 June 2016 15: 48
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      how to handle such buggy things.
      It's all about the battery! It is indicated that "the relatively fast discharge of the internal battery also influenced the operation of the software." Nefig cheap Chinese junk to buy, let Boshevskie put it, only made in Germany. Good thing, I recommend laughing
      1. Samarin
        Samarin 24 June 2016 16: 56
        +5
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        let the Boshevskies put

        ALL rechargeable batteries batteries are made in China, there is no "exactly made in Germany"
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 24 June 2016 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        It's all about the battery! It is indicated that "the relatively fast discharge of the internal battery also influenced the operation of the software."

        The battery may have nothing to do with it, in my opinion the matter is in unoptimized software, so the computer consumes more energy
      3. Simple
        Simple 24 June 2016 17: 30
        +1
        Bosch has not produced batteries in Germany for a long time
    2. 0255
      0255 24 June 2016 16: 39
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Damn, I don't even know how to approach such "minor sores" of the "best fighter in the world." I myself have an Android on my tablet, it itself updates or restarts something. But then the tablet, you can throw it away. Now the Israelis will come and tell you how to handle such buggy things. request

      According to God's chosen people, the F-35 is the coolest and kosher nibbler of all times and peoples. laughing
      1. Altona
        Altona 24 June 2016 17: 19
        +1
        Quote: 0255
        According to God's chosen people, the F-35 is the coolest and kosher nibbler of all times and peoples.

        ----------------------
        Tsimes mit compote, last edishen. laughing
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 24 June 2016 17: 24
        +1
        Quote: 0255

        According to God's chosen people, the F-35 is the coolest and kosher nibbler of all times and peoples. laughing

        And according to the god-bearers?
        1. edeligor
          edeligor 24 June 2016 18: 04
          +4
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          And according to the god-bearers?

          Are you talking about the Russians? Personally, my version is that if only we, for free, like Israel, were given the F-35, we would not refuse for anything. The magic word here is FREEBIE! Have you forgotten the slang of Aaron ?!
          But seriously, this product is unlikely to go in a large series, most likely it is the development of new technologies. They will give you a gift, you will drive on "good" neighbors, and there they will see what kind of car.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 24 June 2016 18: 08
            0
            Quote: edeligor
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            And according to the god-bearers?

            Are you talking about the Russians? Personally, my version is that if only we, for free, like Israel, were given the F-35, we would not refuse for anything. The magic word here is FREEBIE! Have you forgotten the slang of Aaron ?!
            But seriously, this product is unlikely to go in a large series, most likely it is the development of new technologies. They will give you a gift, you will drive on "good" neighbors, and there they will see what kind of car.
            Well, everyone has their own allies. We have the USA, Belarus has Russia. It seems that not long ago Belarus received a couple of S-300 divisions for free as military assistance.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 June 2016 20: 06
        +1
        Quote: 0255
        According to God's chosen people, the F-35 is the coolest and kosher nibbler of all times and peoples.

        Of course, you can sit and laugh, given by Lightning and further, but the mattresses are increasingly offering this fighter-bomber to their vassals, and they, in turn, do not refuse.
        I would not be surprised if, in two years, the United States will start producing Raptors on a new basis.
        As for the software for these machines, the mattresses will suffer with it in Lighting, and then everything will go easier on the Raptor.
        It is clear that the F-22 is expensive, but I suppose it will be simplified somewhere, cheaper somewhere, but the heavy fighter will be returned to production.
        Why such thoughts? Yes, because the Russian Federation, China and many others are approaching their heavy and light serial fighters of the 5th generation, and oh, how do not want to lose the leadership in this matter.
  3. dojjdik
    dojjdik 24 June 2016 15: 24
    0
    more money should be thrown to your designers gentlemen Jews-greed is a big vice, therefore your airplane is neither here nor there, but bombing the village of gas and schoolchildren will do quite well on it
    1. cherina
      cherina 25 June 2016 01: 53
      -1
      Quote: dojjdik
      more money should be thrown to your designers gentlemen Jews-greed is a big vice, therefore your airplane is neither here nor there, but bombing the village of gas and schoolchildren will do quite well on it

      We will definitely test it on your friends from Hamas and on Hezbollah it needs to be tested, for everyone who has complaints against us, he will bring smart gifts that Arabesians love so much, and you will whine here at your murdered Arab friends
  4. antiexpert
    antiexpert 24 June 2016 15: 26
    +2
    it is worth noting that the lame goblin F-117 was an equally epic project, worth billions of dollars)))
  5. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 24 June 2016 15: 26
    +20
    Soon, during the flight, the pilot will see an inscription that the operating system of his aircraft has downloaded the server pack 3 update package and the computer will automatically restart to install new updates ...

    ... "Please do not leave the cockpit and do not use the catapult before installing new updates" ...
  6. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 24 June 2016 15: 27
    +14
    A grandiose saw cut.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 24 June 2016 19: 00
      +2
      You are a little higher in pure Jew ... ugh, they explained in Russian that the plane is gorgeous, his glitches are so tiny and completely scary, the allies scream with delight and buy it in thousands, and the article is the machinations of ungrateful cotton wool, fiercely envious of the Jewish fortunately to have such wonderful pepelatsy, and even for free.
  7. Arkan
    Arkan 24 June 2016 15: 30
    +3
    It's easier for Hollywood, their superplanes fly perfectly and shoot down the enemy in batches. In reality, everything is much more complicated and expensive. Maybe they have one of the military versions of the bucket, called 3ib6.21?
  8. X Y Z
    X Y Z 24 June 2016 15: 30
    +3
    The main question, to which the answer has not yet been received, is what it is: childhood illnesses of fine-tuning or cardinal miscalculations, the treatment of which is problematic or possible, but very expensive. In the second case, this machine can bury the entire Pentagon affiliate program. Even the most dedicated will think three times before buying it.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 June 2016 22: 43
      0
      Several planes in the United States have already flown 100 hours. It seems, no cardinal problems
      did not have. The aircraft gives the pledged performance characteristics. From Norway, Australia, England, Netherlands wherever they go
      training flights, too, there were no sos signals.
      1. iwind
        iwind 24 June 2016 23: 35
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Several planes in the United States have already flown 100 hours. It seems, no cardinal problems

        some more than one 1000 flight hours. (F-35 AF-2). and it was 2 years ago. now there are just a few of them.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 June 2016 01: 08
          0
          I got a seal - 1000.
  9. maksim
    maksim 24 June 2016 15: 32
    +1
    rubbish with wings and wheels, they can't do anything normally, except for gadgets, they even buy rocket engines from us, but everyone is told that they flew to the moon ...
    1. region58
      region58 24 June 2016 16: 15
      0
      Quote: maksim
      they buy rocket engines from us, but everyone is told that they flew to the moon ...

      maksim, here you have on an avatar like the ISS (hard to see), with a high degree of probability we can assume that you are interested in space. Well, take a deeper look: for what missiles the Americans buy engines from us, what missiles they launch, read about Aerojet Rocketdyne, go to http://www.membrana.ru/particle/16708/, go and see photos of human tracks on the Moon. Take time, you will not regret, you will learn a lot of interesting things. And then, well, by golly, like children ... Yes, and do not take seriously that nonsense that is shown on Ren-TV ...
      1. 0255
        0255 24 June 2016 16: 48
        0
        Quote: region58
        maksim, here you have on an avatar like the ISS (hard to see), with a high degree of probability we can assume that you are interested in space. Well, take a deeper look: for what missiles the Americans buy engines from us, what missiles they launch, read about Aerojet Rocketdyne, go to http://www.membrana.ru/particle/16708/, go and see photos of human tracks on the Moon. Take time, you will not regret, you will learn a lot of interesting things.

        Oh, right now, local Uriah patriots will accuse you of unpatriotism, corruption of the State Department and Obama laughing
        Quote: region58
        And then, well, by God, like children ... Yes, and do not take seriously that nonsense that is shown on Ren-TV ...

        Even on Ren TV they said that the Americans were on the moon, but they were driven out by aliens and reptiles, and the USSR stopped the lunar program so as not to quarrel with otherworldly forces laughing
        1. prorab_ak
          prorab_ak 24 June 2016 17: 24
          +1
          REN-TV just has a great dealer)) ... just the same dealer of the year !!!)))
  10. Koresh
    Koresh 24 June 2016 15: 34
    +2
    The black hole of the American budget.
  11. 75 hammer
    75 hammer 24 June 2016 15: 34
    +4
    Professor, ah !!!!!
    1. stone
      stone 24 June 2016 16: 00
      +1
      They also have news about the F-35. Roll out their first plane. And it seems his problems do not really concern them
      1. Operator
        Operator 24 June 2016 16: 20
        +6
        This is a semi-finished product, the transfer of the first complete F-35A to Israel is scheduled for December 2016.

        The question of partial or full replacement of the standard F-35A software with Israeli software has not yet been resolved: Israel only has to study the functionality of the standard software, develop its own, coordinate with the manufacturer, install, test, fix bugs and put into operation. In other words, start and end.

        The purchase of F-35A from the manufacturer is paid from the US budget, intended for annual financial assistance to Israel. They don’t look at a gifted horse in the mouth laughing
        1. 0255
          0255 24 June 2016 16: 52
          +5
          Quote: Operator
          The purchase of F-35A from the manufacturer is paid from the US budget, intended for annual financial assistance to Israel. They don’t look at a gifted horse in the mouth laughing

          But the Israeli comrades are very worried that they were not given the F-22 Raptor laughing
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 24 June 2016 21: 18
            +1
            Israel got a raptor this week
            http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2016/june/lockheed-martin-a
            nd-israel-celebrate-rollout-of-israels-first-f-35-adir.html
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 June 2016 01: 16
          0
          "The issue of partial or complete replacement of the standard F-35A software with Israeli software has not yet been resolved: Israel has yet to study the functionality of the standard software, develop its own, agree with the manufacturer, install, test, fix glitches and put it into operation. In other words, start and cum "////

          You have completely come up with this whole long paragraph - congratulations! smile - None of this is planned.
          We write software for our weapons, which integrates with standard F-35 software.
          If bugs are found in the standard software, they will be repaired.
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 24 June 2016 19: 05
      0
      Quote: Hammer 75
      Professor, ah !!!!!


      Aron Zawi for him.
  12. Region 23
    Region 23 24 June 2016 15: 39
    -1
    Set of nuts and bolts.
  13. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 24 June 2016 15: 41
    -1
    On the site, you can discuss two topics for an infinitely long time — how do we throw all our hats on, and problems with f35! wassat
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 June 2016 16: 21
      0
      It’s better to ask a question - what problems do we have with the T 50?
      1. Buffet
        Buffet 24 June 2016 16: 49
        +4
        Also missing. The problems were with electronic warfare. But quietly solved. Some R&D participants simply thwarted orders and had nothing to go to the test with. They said that they almost wanted to chop their heads. But while things seem to be moving.
    2. 0255
      0255 24 June 2016 16: 54
      -7
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      On the site, you can discuss two topics for an infinitely long time — how do we throw all our hats on, and problems with f35! wassat

      You can still endlessly discuss North Korea and their "great sun-like" Marshal Kim Jong-un laughing
    3. RedBaron
      RedBaron 24 June 2016 17: 37
      -5
      You can still discuss how Russian helicopters fly on .... Windows fellow
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 24 June 2016 15: 42
    +2
    But I'm wondering if they will have time to finish bringing to mind this mistake of the Congress before the start of the next world crisis? One gets the impression that potential buyers will soon have a headache about completely different items of expenditure. They are already beginning to cut their "wishlist under the push button" ahead of time.
  15. shadow
    shadow 24 June 2016 15: 47
    +3
    Read about these problems already fed up.
  16. Sars
    Sars 24 June 2016 15: 49
    +2
    The program was written in India. For reasons of secrecy, the task was divided into four parts so that even programmers did not understand what they were doing.
    1. Foresterer
      Foresterer 24 June 2016 16: 20
      +1
      Perhaps specially written with errors. Intelligence does not stop.
  17. Delink
    Delink 24 June 2016 16: 10
    +2
    They on our electronic warfare have not yet tested the operation of the on-board system, then they just rolled this unit to the trash)))
  18. prorab_ak
    prorab_ak 24 June 2016 16: 18
    -8
    That something like a weak seething goes on relative to the most hated aircraft on this site .... even surprising, and the "authoritative marshals" are silent .... oh, no good)))
    1. Beetech
      Beetech 24 June 2016 16: 30
      +3
      Perhaps because in this part, you can not see the plane as such? The totality of super-technologies is not yet a "combat unit as is" ...
      Be that as it may, I am ready to admit that the Americans have achieved perfection in the ability to sell the skin of an unkilled / flightless / non-shooting tiger. :)
      1. prorab_ak
        prorab_ak 24 June 2016 16: 38
        -2
        Seriously ??? Not visible ??? I’m looking for a long time and I can’t poke around at work, but you can even search on this resource for comments in articles on the F-35 theme .... a lot of visual material for the flight tests of this aircraft, a little more than doh ...
        Just look at the articles a year ago and later ... before this site turned into a mouthpiece ... well, or "our answer to the censor" fellow
  19. 3vs
    3vs 24 June 2016 16: 31
    +6
    And they seem to have updated their OS on Windows 10!
    Do you see anything left before the end of the free update - July 30
    here F35 and decided not too late to upgrade! laughing fellow
  20. Beetech
    Beetech 24 June 2016 16: 43
    +3
    The most colorful "successes" in the creation of the "final generation fighter" show the messages about the desire to resume production of the same F-16, which will be a hundred years old at lunchtime. Still, something is wrong in the Danish kingdom with the creation of the uber-machine ... recourse winked
  21. iwind
    iwind 24 June 2016 16: 47
    +4
    not so cool. I wonder why so lying and retyping the news :)))) Although in recent times on VO this has become the norm for the F-35. What was there in the original? .... fellow
    We completed 88 of 88 sorties, and we were 100 percent ready for these sortiesMaj. Brad Matherne, an F-35A pilot from 34th Fighter Squadron, told reporters during a conference call on June 21. "We had zero losses due to any software stability issues."
    "For deployment, the aircraft were equipped with the latest software version, 3ib6.21" - Maj. Brad Matherne. He also noted that no blackouts occurred either on the ground or in flight due to software failures.
    laughing

    "We cleared 88 of 88 sorties, and we were on time for 100 percent of those sorties for the large force exercises," Maj. Brad Matherne, an F-35A pilot from the 34th Fighter Squadron, told reporters during a June 21 conference call . "We had zero losses due to any software stability issues that were previously out there."
    "For the deployment, jets were outfitted with the latest version of the software, 3ib6.21, Matherne said. He said that no shutdowns occurred on the ground or in flight due to software glitches."
    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2016/06/21/f35-soft
    ware-mountain-home-deployment / 86191386 /

    And this article (original) is just about the fact that the F-35A passed the GSI on June 17.
    It was verified that the aircraft successfully operated away from its home base against various threats, said Colonel David Lyons, commander of the 388th wing fighter and pilot of the F-35A.
    The tests were certified by the F-35A in missions of restricting access, suppressing air defense, actions in the contested airspace. air defense, and immediate fire support. In August 2016, de jure must sign documents for the adoption of the F-35A for combat readiness
    http://www.tyndall.af.mil/News/tabid/6600/Article/808248/10-questions-on-the-f-3
    5a-lightning-ii.aspx
    1. Samarin
      Samarin 24 June 2016 17: 02
      0
      Quote: iwind
      And this article (original) is just about the fact that the F-35A passed the GSI on June 17.

      So here is disinformation? ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 24 June 2016 17: 17
        +1
        Deza in the message of iwind from Britain - if the Penguin allegedly passed state tests on June 17, then why will the documents be issued only in August? The answer is simple - the tests revealed the next problems of the Penguin, which they will try to eliminate within two months.

        US Air Force Colonel David Lyons and Major Brad Metyrn, for the sake of the uniform's honor, once again lied about the absence of problems with the F-35, since this has been their standard behavior for four years in a row.
        1. iwind
          iwind 24 June 2016 17: 38
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          Deza in the message of iwind from Britain - if the Penguin allegedly passed state tests on June 17, then why will the documents be issued only in August? The answer is simple - the tests revealed the next problems of the Penguin, which they will try to eliminate within two months.

          Dates were announced back in 2013, why shift them + preparing the base for receptions.
          //breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/05/F-35_IOC_Joint_Rep.
          Yes, and that would blame others for lying with his would understand
          Will there be proofs on Canada's R&D expenses of $ 6mln?
          Quote: Operator
          Quote: Operator
          If the income of Canadian companies from participation in the F-35 program is estimated at 9 billion dollars. (taking into account the R&D costs incurred in 6 billion dollars, this figure is reduced to 3 billion dollars), the costs of acquisition and operation from 65 to 80 Penguins are estimated from 32,5 to 40 billion dollars.
          Against this background, 3 billion dollars. revenue look like bullying.
          Yes, and the main goal has been achieved - Canadian companies participating in the F-35 program have mastered new technologies, it is time to move on to cooperating with Boeing, the manufacturer of Super Hornets in the Silent version (4 ++ generation) that the Canadian Air Force likes so much.
          1. Operator
            Operator 24 June 2016 20: 52
            +1
            "... when Canada entered the F-35 program, it was planned to buy 65 F-35A aircraft with a total cost of about $ 10 billion. Taking into account twenty years of aircraft service, all costs should have been within 14-15 billion.
            A little later, Canadians recounted the costs of the contract and it turned out that a total of aircraft will cost 25 billion.
            Finally, by the end of 2012, as a result of another recalculation, the total cost of buying and operating aircraft rose to more than 40 billion. "
            https://topwar.ru/23674-problemy-samoleta-f-35-lightning-ii.html

            The life cycle cost of a Penguin four years ago was 615 million $. Those. Lockheed Martin sells the F-35 at a dumping price, and beat off the headstock during operation.

            After the free delivery of Penguins to Israel, the annual financial state aid of the United States will go only for their maintenance. All for garlic: the entrance is the rupe, the exit is two bully
            1. iwind
              iwind 24 June 2016 23: 21
              0
              Quote: iwind
              Will there be proofs on Canada's R&D expenses of $ 6mln?

              understand ... will not
              mmm. Twenty five again. What year is it now?
              What's the breakdown of the covers? The fact that the operation of equipment for 60 years will be 2-3 valuable purchases? Well, how much will it cost to operate an ordinary car, say, 20 years? Why should an aircraft not cost two or three prices in 60 years, but this calculation includes (fuel, repair, maintenance, planned modernization). The F-16 and F-15 are the same.
              1. Operator
                Operator 25 June 2016 00: 04
                0
                Maybe you have 20 years in the West and are equal to 60 years, but we do not yet.
                Distort, however.
                1. iwind
                  iwind 25 June 2016 00: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Operator
                  Distort, however.

                  no
                  The service life of the F-35 is 60 years.
                  the now 60-year estimate to keep F-35s flying until 2070.

                  http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/03/25/f-35-acquisition-c
                  osts-drops-but-overall-operating-costs-increase / 82248008 /
      2. iwind
        iwind 24 June 2016 17: 28
        0
        Quote: Samarin
        Quote: iwind
        And this article (original) is just about the fact that the F-35A passed the GSI on June 17.

        So here is disinformation? ...

        Yes.
        What's so strange about that? She's not the first here.
  22. Buffet
    Buffet 24 June 2016 16: 51
    +2
    And to update the software, connect your iPhone and download for 19.99 $.
  23. Manul
    Manul 24 June 2016 17: 24
    +1
    But the fighting will begin and all the f-35s will fly? What if all this is minor disinformation and everything is all right with them? Well, and most importantly, what is the interest in making comments about sawing the dough for the hundredth time? What - for the comment that this plane can be good, it's scary to catch a minus sign, it's easier to get a guaranteed plus for hounding? In my opinion, there is no news more often than about the "problems" of the f-35. My dream is to go into the discussion and see someone's only comment - "So what?". I wanted to put the news minus, and the hand sent the plus automatically.
  24. Dr. Bermental
    Dr. Bermental 24 June 2016 17: 24
    +1
    maybe in f35 what a sensible thought there is) in the sense of an idea for our progress ... buy one and disassemble !!!)
  25. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 24 June 2016 18: 08
    +1
    Moscow was not built immediately, and the planes were not built immediately. Moreover, such complex ones. In my opinion, it is not appropriate to do harm to those who know at least something in the development of aviation technology. We all go through this difficult path, incl. and by trial and error. He who does nothing is not wrong. Expensive, but I think the plane will be brought to the appropriate conditions.
    PS. Waiting for minusers
  26. Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 24 June 2016 18: 16
    +1
    You have to refine your own, and not mock someone else's work. I don’t know, I can’t do it differently, probably the parents probably raised it like that. Let them build or saw it their money, we need to look at our saw cuts, in the sense (really saw cutters should be in prison). And our T-50 just in time keeps up, that's what I understand, words correspond to deeds!
  27. gridasov
    gridasov 24 June 2016 18: 53
    +1
    The further it goes, the more obvious it is that the Americans have the same problems as the Russians. The main ones are engines. And no matter how much money is promised and invested, one cannot do without fundamental decisions.
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  29. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 24 June 2016 20: 15
    0
    Apparently Windows on F-35 is installed)))
    1. RedBaron
      RedBaron 24 June 2016 20: 32
      -3
      It is mounted on Russian helicopters.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 June 2016 21: 49
        0
        Quote: RedBaron
        It is mounted on Russian helicopters.

        No, it's too complicated for us, we are on the Norton Commander. laughing
        Kindly inform the source of such delusional revelation.
  30. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 24 June 2016 21: 13
    +3
    this is the original article:
    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2016/06/21/f35-soft
    ware-mountain-home-deployment / 86191386 /

    it says "88 crashes with 0% failures completed and the software was running smoothly." I do not know who translated it and how - google translate to help next time
  31. Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 June 2016 07: 25
    0
    This happens because the plane does not have an anchor ... and without pin anchors ... Dos aircraft cannot fly ...
  32. Cat Workout
    Cat Workout 26 June 2016 01: 51
    0
    First, first, I am second. I see the target attack.
    Second, I am the first, now, just restart the engine.