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Airborne began to enter heavy equipment

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Airborne units began to replenish tanks and large-caliber self-propelled guns "Octopus-SD", report News with reference to the representative of the Airborne Forces headquarters.


2C25 "Sprut-SD" - 125-mm self-propelled anti-tank gun

“We never had large calibers. We were forced to request support from ground units. Today, the tasks of the Airborne Forces have changed. The tactics of dropping airborne troops and seizing strategic areas for deployment remain the same, but the strategy has changed. In modern conditions, the delivery of the landing force to the combat area can be carried out both by air and by land. Therefore, we need our own heavy machinery, ”the source told the newspaper.

"The creation of tank companies as part of air assault units, announced by the commander of the Airborne Forces Vladimir Shamanov, will ensure the landing force unimpeded movement on the marches, guard and defense of strategic objects captured by parachute units and break through the enemy’s deeply echeloned defense," he added.

According to the director of the political conjuncture Center Ivan Konovalov, recently in all Airborne Forces exercises "demonstrate a new tactic to seize a strategic advantage in a theater of military operations."

"The Center-2015 exercises, recognized as the largest since the times of the USSR, showed the ability of the Airborne Forces not only to capture bridgeheads, but also to interact with other types and branches of the Armed Forces on 20 land, sea, aviation training grounds and areas of the Central and Southern military districts, - said Ivan Konovalov. "The latest exercises near Pskov showed that, having captured strategic airfields near the settlements of Ostrov, Gdov and Kislovo, the landing troops held them until the main forces approached, using heavy equipment."

He stressed that "increasing the firepower of the airborne assault brigades through the transfer of large-caliber equipment to them - airborne self-propelled artillery systems with the Sprut-SD 125 mm, T-72B3 tanks and BMD-4M combat vehicles with BMD-XNUMXM tanks and armored combat vehicles. it is an opportunity to create subunit breakthrough units, well-protected enemy infrastructure ”.

“In Italy, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Turkey there are five storage facilities for American nuclear bombs B-61, there are at least 200 units there. There is a control point for NATO troops, the US National Missile Defense System. The Airborne Forces is the spearhead, which is intended to be the first to neutralize the threat from these objects. It is possible to break through their defense only with the use of heavy equipment, ”said Konovalov.

“Giving new combat capabilities to the Airborne Forces is one of the latest trends in army reform. We are creating not just highly mobile rapid reaction units, but units capable of independently organizing both an attack and a defense. That is, in fact, a self-sufficient form of the armed forces, ”said Vadim Kozyulin, a professor at the Academy of Military Sciences.
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  1. Khariton
    Khariton 24 June 2016 13: 51
    +23
    DShB strengthen and do the right thing ... Mobility and firepower on time, much that can prevent!
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 24 June 2016 13: 53
      -6
      Quote: Chariton
      DShB strengthen and do the right thing ... Mobility and firepower on time, much that can prevent!

      plus attack aircraft in high mobility, heavy equipment fetters.
      1. grandson of the hero
        grandson of the hero 24 June 2016 14: 04
        +6
        The strategy has changed and this is impressive. A very correct emphasis and correct conclusions have been made.
        Remember "... if there is no way to avoid a fight, hit it first ...", that's how it is, Petrovich!
      2. Khariton
        Khariton 24 June 2016 14: 22
        +6
        Quote: alpamys
        Quote: Chariton
        DShB strengthen and do the right thing ... Mobility and firepower on time, much that can prevent!

        plus attack aircraft in high mobility, heavy equipment fetters.

        It can be abandoned as a last resort ... The main thing is that it submits to a single commander! And all sorts of approvals, requests for support for this all the time are necessary and, naturally, losses go big! soldier
      3. Homo
        Homo 24 June 2016 15: 41
        +4
        Quote: alpamys
        ... heavy equipment fetters.

        If it's just heavy equipment. And here is heavy equipment especially for the Airborne Forces. Mobility in place.
      4. DMB_95
        DMB_95 24 June 2016 16: 08
        +3
        Quote: alpamys

        plus attack aircraft in high mobility, heavy equipment fetters.

        To quickly capture a certain position, mobile assault units will operate. For their subsequent retention, fire support equipment will be pulled up. Each has its own role. soldier
        1. Ze Kot
          Ze Kot 25 June 2016 14: 31
          +1
          Quote: DMB_95
          To quickly capture a certain position, mobile assault units will operate. For their subsequent retention, fire support equipment will be pulled up. Everyone has a role


          So aren't ordinary MSV pulling up with heavy equipment "for further holding"?

          And the question is: where will the tanks for the Airborne Forces come from?
      5. Forest
        Forest 24 June 2016 18: 12
        +4
        And then the airborne commanders at all levels to their fighters beat out support for tanks and self-propelled guns, as was the case in Afghanistan and in Chechnya.
      6. Skif83
        Skif83 24 June 2016 19: 01
        +3
        What does it have to do with it
        ... heavy equipment fetters
        ?
        Is this a horse riding technique?
        The VDV technique was one of the most powerful per unit of mass, and the BMD-1 was the best in the world in terms of this indicator.
        Accordingly, all of the above equipment meets the necessary maneuverability. But without heavy trunks it’s hard.
      7. Ros 56
        Ros 56 25 June 2016 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: alpamys
        heavy equipment fetters.


        This is if you drag it on a hump, like the same 120mm mortars. And when she rides or flies herself, what is the problem?
    2. sub307
      sub307 24 June 2016 15: 06
      +2
      This idea has not "matured" today .... It's good that we are engaged in practical implementation.
  2. alpamys
    alpamys 24 June 2016 13: 52
    +8
    “In Italy, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Turkey there are five storage facilities for US nuclear B-61 bombs, there are at least 200 of them. There is a NATO command post, the US National Missile Defense system. The Airborne Forces is the spearhead, which is the first to neutralize the threat emanating from these objects. Breaking through their defenses is possible only with the use of heavy equipment. ”

    but not easier to bomb or throw rockets?
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 24 June 2016 14: 06
      +1
      Quote: alpamys
      but not easier to bomb or throw rockets?

      Everything happens in war.
    2. BARKAS
      BARKAS 24 June 2016 14: 27
      +2
      First, of course, then airborne missiles.
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 24 June 2016 23: 17
        +2
        After the missiles have to wait a week or two. Although a lot depends on the rocket’s filling, the landing party will have nothing to capture.
    3. berezin1987
      berezin1987 24 June 2016 23: 16
      +1
      It is much easier to demolish such an object with a ballistic missile than send guys to storm it. There are warheads for the destruction of deep-seated objects.
    4. Foxmara
      Foxmara 26 June 2016 13: 47
      +1
      Let me remind you of the tasks of the Airborne Forces:
      "... to cover the enemy by air and perform tasks in his rear for disrupting troop control, capturing and destroying high-precision weapons ground elements, disrupting the advance and deployment of reserves, disrupting the work of the rear and communications, as well as covering (defending) certain areas, areas , open flanks, blocking and destruction of landed air assault forces, penetrated enemy groups .. "
      Part of these tasks is easier to carry out, having the ability to promptly throw up heavy equipment that is on your balance sheet, rather than coordinating it and drugs with other types of troops. We have tanks like dirt in the garden and it’s okay if they are at the landing.
      It may turn out that rockets will not succeed, you can imagine? And now what to do, wait until the front line itself reaches the strategic targets?
  3. marshes
    marshes 24 June 2016 13: 53
    +3
    Question will Vienna be?
    1. avt
      avt 24 June 2016 15: 04
      +2
      Quote: marshes
      Question will Vienna be?

      request Here "Zauraltsa" was slowed down, about which the Shaman spoke as a sample already ready for transfer to the troops and decided to make "Lotus", and you remembered "Vienna", which you simply consigned to oblivion.
      1. Ride78
        Ride78 24 June 2016 15: 10
        0
        Oh how. And what is interesting for the car?
        I came up with several options. Lotus - I had a toe on the BMP-3m platform, with 20 guides, plus twenty shells in the stern.
        There was also an Orchid - with vertical launch shafts for homing pets, but this is hfantastic)
        1. avt
          avt 24 June 2016 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Ride78
          Oh how. And what is interesting for the car?

          "Zauralets"? Well, there was no photo, in the sense at all. So - the screensaver was given by "Tiger" with "Nona K" and that's all. And "Lotus" in general in dumka. request
      2. marshes
        marshes 24 June 2016 16: 09
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Here "Zauraltsa" was slowed down, about which the Shaman spoke as a sample already ready for transfer to the troops and decided to make "Lotus", and you remembered "Vienna", which you simply consigned to oblivion.

        A good thing Nona on the BMD-1 Chassis.
        By the way, how many AVTs are produced in the year 76, and then we have a serious interest in cars of this class, not less than 8-10 and faster.
        1. avt
          avt 24 June 2016 16: 21
          +1
          Quote: marshes
          A good thing Nona on the BMD-1 Chassis.

          "Vienna" is better, but more expensive, ours chased like that pop for cheapness, but in the end they piled the "Host" on a motorcycle. Lopatov gave an excursion on the website in the comments, well, somehow convincingly. "Vienna" is practically a new weapon and in peacetime conditions, it would probably be better to stock up not with versions of simplified machines that are produced in wartime, simplifying for mass production.
          Quote: marshes
          and then we have a serious interest in cars of this class, not a minor 8-10 and faster.

          What chassis are you using? Wheels? Well, like the Marines on the basis of the armored personnel carrier. Somehow with Lopatov in the comments they agreed that it would be good on the basis of 120mm "Vienna" a module of the type "Bakhchi" laughing What? Put on a tank platform, like object 782, book it according to a modern one, and here's a real assault unit - the Terminator of all rooms nervously smokes on the sidelines.
          1. marshes
            marshes 24 June 2016 16: 30
            +1
            Quote: avt
            “Vienna” is practically a new weapon, and in peacetime it would probably be better to stock up on versions of simplified machines that are produced in wartime, simplifying for mass production.

            Quote: avt
            And what chassis do you put on? Wheels? Well, like the Marines on the basis of armored personnel carriers.

            The fact that it will be 120 mm from the Elbits, on wheels. The winners are picked up, so maybe another BMP 1,2 chassis.
            And I asked about the IL-76, at the moment we are in dire need, If anything, let's go search the WORLD.
            Although I have already said that ours needs to have an AN-12, S-130 or Il 76 or A 400 m fleet.
            1. avt
              avt 24 June 2016 17: 59
              +1
              Quote: marshes
              And I asked about the IL-76, at the moment we are in dire need, If anything, let's go search the WORLD.
              Although I have already said that ours needs to have an AN-12, S-130 or Il 76 or A 400 m fleet.

              Airbus number 400, made from the principle of shitting Russia with Ukraine at that time and not allowing cooperation in the manufacture of An-70 with Germany, it is An-7X, complete ....., which they themselves finally publicly voiced, and I have long and constantly I’m talking about this. An -70 campaign stupidly killed ...... absolutely ..... recourse Of the working analogues, only S-130. When there will be Il -214 - a mystery of nature. According to your Kazakh, still Soviet 76th, I think this way - you need, like with your Mi-26, to look for a plant and agree at least for remotorization, in Soviet times Libyan people, for example, were repaired in Bykovo near Moscow. 476s are minimally alarming ..... again - a mystery of nature. If it is very unbearable - only the Chinese counterpart. request
              1. marshes
                marshes 24 June 2016 18: 50
                +1
                Quote: avt
                Airbus number 400, made from the principle of shitting Russia with Ukraine at that time and not allowing cooperation in the production of An-70 with Germany, it is An-7X, complete ....., which they finally publicly voiced, and I have long and constantly I’m talking about this. An -70 campaign stupidly killed ...... completely

                Well, before CADEX in 16 we felt this "propaganda"? in the press. Europeans brought it to the show.
                Quote: avt
                Of the working analogues, only S-130.

                The Americans offered about 8 years ago, although they were "refurbished". Ours got bogged down, but the Spaniards ordered 24 analogues, they said that we would only buy new ones. So we get one plane a year.
                Quote: avt
                According to your Kazakh, still Soviet 76th I think so

                76 after the collapse of 3-4 aircraft we had, and it was not in the Almaty parking lot, there 12 and 24 and 22 were limited there.
                Quote: avt
                as with your Mi-26s, look for a plant and agree at least on remotorization,

                And here, it’s interesting. 26 they dismantled it, they overtook it without armament and then 8 fell, in Novosibirsk repair-there is a criminal case, until the claim was taken 26 were not given.
                Therefore, on Koguar, take a look.
                Quote: avt
                in Bykovo

                What a live airport, there were interregional flights from it. According to the carnivores, Domodedovo 86, and 24 Bykovo to Yoshkar-Ola. laughing
                Quote: avt
                .Since when ours, at least for ourselves, such as 476s, are minimally challenging ..... again - a mystery of nature. If it is very unbearable - only a Chinese analogue.

                Yes, we’ll come to this, in the autumn they will allocate money and cars, after Aktobe, were needed yesterday. Americans, they have elections, and there’s parliament bureaucracy. Only if you buy 76 used ones, it will be great. And Antey 22, then But there is interest but specialists, except for my godfather laughing , no. Father on special engines.
                1. avt
                  avt 24 June 2016 19: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: marshes
                  And here, interestingly. 26 dismantled, surpassed without weapons

                  wassat With what fright on ,, korovka "weapons ???? request Yes, and did not overtake - Ut Air Mi 26 on the suspension pulled to Irkutsk seems to be two pieces for sure.
                  Quote: marshes
                  What a live airport, interregional flights from it were.

                  There, right when entering the field on the right, the hangars of the aircraft repair plant were - I saw the Libyan ones during it.
                  Quote: marshes
                  And Antey 22,

                  what request Where are these from ??? Like flying things two .... one, a parrot, was nicknamed.
                  Quote: marshes
                  Therefore, on Koguar, take a look.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 24 June 2016 20: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: avt
                    With what fright on ,, korovka "weapons ????

                    It was the Novosibirsk prosecutor’s office that came up with this, I’ll rummage no matter how I give the links.
                    Honest next I got too fucked up, although there was a 23 mm gun somewhere? And they remade them as firemen. As a military unit, we remembered Chechnya. There are better small ones.
                    Quote: avt
                    There, right when entering the field on the right, the hangars of the aircraft repair plant were - I saw the Libyan ones during it.

                    So at the moment LIVE? Not a bad airport, for the first time 84 Pepsi and Bananas tried fruit kefir. laughing I have a photo album, photographs — Moscow-Gum, the area, the Kremlin, Grandfather is resting — well, it’s forbidden to take pictures there, they bought a children's world-Moscow school uniform. There are a lot of memories. There were 86,88, and 90. And then, as necessary, already 2000x
                    Quote: avt
                    Where are these from ??? Like flying things two .... one, a parrot, was nicknamed.

                    So you have in the Novgorod region. Krechivitsy is not a bad park VTA.A Ours is IL 22, I flew to Romania in some places and in Samoli on takeoff "laid out". Africa is generally an interesting story, but then.
                    1. avt
                      avt 24 June 2016 20: 39
                      0
                      Quote: marshes
                      . I fucked up myself, although the 23 mm gun was somewhere to stand?

                      what Heg knows him! Previously, in the USSR, they put the Mi-6 under the nose blister, but on the "cow" ???? Maybe someone has forgotten the trunk in the cargo wassat
                      Quote: marshes
                      So at the moment LIVE?

                      Yes, like no, like Bykovo .... request By the way LADIES in Zhukovsky ,, international "airport ,, opened" .... but forgot to register wassat Neither at the Moscow air hub nor at the federal level, but an international flight is promised to Kyrgyzstan. wassat
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 24 June 2016 20: 51
                        0
                        Quote: avt
                        Heg knows him! Previously, in the USSR, they put the Mi-6 under the nose blister, but on the "cow" ???? Maybe someone has forgotten the trunk in the cargo

                        No, they didn’t forget, they just disarmed him, the jamb of the Novosibs had done repairs before that, and it had fallen and Garaniya was there. Somehow, on this site, I put up documents under something of the Air Force Veteran the investigation was sent, and so on ... There were counterfeit nodes and assemblies in quotation marks, just 8 went there for repair. Well, as it should be, they were razed, as well as on the Mi-26 and Mi-31, they sorted it out among themselves. Although people died.
                        Quote: avt
                        Yes, no, no, like Bykovo .... By the way, LADIES in Zhukovsky, the international "airport ,, opened" .... and forgot to register Neither the Moscow air hub nor at the federal level is not listed, but they promise an international flight to Kyrgyzstan.

                        I myself went nuts on the news, at the expense of Zhukovsky and another internationalist.
                        By the way, I have a complete package of satellite TV, plus Karsharing and so on ... although I don’t watch it, mainly the Internet. Comp, tablet, laptop, phone.
      3. Travian
        Travian 24 June 2016 23: 11
        0
        lotus is a continuation of the Trans-Urals
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 24 June 2016 16: 22
      +1
      Quote: marshes
      Question will Vienna be?


      Vienna is a specific thing, a mortar-gun-howitzer.
      Unification of the shells of the Octopus and tanks is useful.
      1. marshes
        marshes 24 June 2016 16: 33
        0
        Quote: Alex777
        Vienna - a specific thing for action in the mountains IMHO.
        Afghanistan, Tajikistan, etc.

        Yes, I understand, yet damn Vienna to put on the T-72 Chassis or on the Barys 8x8, this is not Momboe.
        This is for our specificity.
        T-72 chassis and Vienna 120 mm, plus various engineering solutions - an excellent tank for urban battles will work.
        1. marshes
          marshes 24 June 2016 16: 38
          0
          And the anti-tank, generally trudge from RUIKATU, our specificity requires a wheel.
          If only the Octopus with Ruikat to scrape. smile
  4. _NortoN_
    _NortoN_ 24 June 2016 13: 53
    +2
    correct solution good
  5. dsm100
    dsm100 24 June 2016 13: 55
    +1
    Good news. More such news.
  6. Ustinov 055 055
    Ustinov 055 055 24 June 2016 13: 56
    +2
    It’s great that every Polish and dill shushara there is afraid
  7. rabbi's pais
    rabbi's pais 24 June 2016 13: 58
    +2
    But will they give robots? In the battle to go under the blue splashed ... laughing
  8. Evil 55
    Evil 55 24 June 2016 14: 07
    +1
    Glory of the Airborne Forces !!! The more weapons of destruction in the unit, the higher the percentage of defeat of the enemy forces and the survival of the subordinate l / s ..
  9. Monos
    Monos 24 June 2016 14: 09
    +7
    I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the meaning and ideology of the airborne forces are somehow blurring. In my opinion they are aimed at tasks that are not peculiar to them.
    1. Alexei-
      Alexei- 24 June 2016 15: 37
      +3
      Yes, you are wrong, open the Airborne Forces, where in all units the main tasks of the Airborne Forces are traced with a red line - conducting raid operations and GENERAL combat in the enemy's rear. Yes, until recently, the Airborne Forces were aimed at performing tasks unusual for them: peacekeeping operations, tasks as part of the ground forces , convoy functions. Instead of qualitatively increasing the level of BP of motorized rifle subunits, the Airborne Forces were gradually and methodically "lowered" to the level of motorized riflemen, amid hooting about the "worthlessness" of airborne assault forces, weak armored vehicles, etc. The brainlessness of such "accusations" is obvious people in the slightest degree familiar with BU VDV and BU SV. I, as a paratrooper, are grateful to Shamanov that he did not bend under the "parquet-staff" lobby and brought his troops out of the fornication stupid guys of the 90s, moreover, I turned the Airborne Forces in the direction of the specified general Margelov, I am glad and proud of the motorized rifle units and formations, which, thanks to the reforms, have reached a completely new quality level, this causes Respect. But, it is bitter and insulting One look at the units of the Marine Corps. Here is where the meaning and ideology, not that they are blurred, they are destroyed, fucked up, forgotten. Accordingly, there is no equipment, no personnel. And this is ass comrades, ZHO-PA
      1. Monos
        Monos 24 June 2016 18: 28
        +6
        Quote: Alex-
        , The Airborne Forces were gradually and methodically "lowered" to the level of motorized riflemen


        So I'm talking about this. With heavy weapons, what kind of mobility and efficiency can there be? He shot the BC, burned the solarium and hello. Not to mention the transportation of tank tanks and self-propelled guns to the landing database area. However, the headquarters know better.
        1. alpamys
          alpamys 24 June 2016 21: 13
          +3
          Quote: Monos
          Quote: Alex-
          , The Airborne Forces were gradually and methodically "lowered" to the level of motorized riflemen


          So I'm talking about this. With heavy weapons, what kind of mobility and efficiency can there be? He shot the BC, burned the solarium and hello. Not to mention the transportation of tank tanks and self-propelled guns to the landing database area. However, the headquarters know better.

          So I wrote about this, but they gave me minuses, attack aircraft need mobility and not anchors in the form of heavy equipment.
  10. Riv
    Riv 24 June 2016 14: 09
    +5
    Of the airborne forces, they again make it unclear what. Rather, it is clear: plug every hole.

    Have you seen the "9th company"? Nobody asked themselves the question: what the hell were attack aircraft doing in defense? It is clear that they were ordered and they went. There were no others at hand. But for such a command, the commander of the formation must be removed from his post. On this mountain, instead of paratroopers, the usual motorized infantry was supposed to sit, armed, in addition to AKMS, with easel grenade launchers, with an attached BMP and other delights like a field kitchen. They would grind the spirits going into the attack for minced meat without any heroism, and then lunch on schedule.

    It was the same in Afghanistan. It is known by what methods the landing party put things in order there. Well, not their business, not theirs. Internal troops must restore order in the occupied territory.
    1. Alexei-
      Alexei- 24 June 2016 15: 45
      +1
      still ask Bondarchuk, what did the 9th company in defense do in his film?))) And if you want to know the facts, Yandex, "Operation Magistral" and everything will fall into place, I assure you.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 June 2016 15: 55
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      Have you seen the "9th company"? Nobody asked themselves the question: what the hell were attack aircraft doing in defense? It is clear that they were ordered and they went. There were no others at hand. But for such a command, the commander of the formation must be removed from his post. On this mountain, instead of paratroopers, the usual motorized infantry was supposed to sit, armed, in addition to the AKMS, with easel grenade launchers, with an attached BMP and other delights like a field kitchen.

      You propose to drag the BMP to a height of 3234?
      If it were possible, then they would have done it. Because the height was defended by a group of 345 Guards.PDP, which at that time was already actually a light motorized rifle regiment, armed with tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and howitzers. But because of the nature of the terrain, I had to confine myself to infantry reinforced by the CCP.

      The task of the landing in that operation was to throw out guard groups to the dominant heights south of the Gardez-Khost road. To support the groups, spotters were given, and the artillery of the 345th Guards Regiment received reinforcement from motorized rifles.

      Ideally, the paratroopers should have detected the enemy’s gangs in advance, adjusted the artillery fire according to the detected groups and not allowed the spirits that survived the artillery strikes to bring themselves down from the dominant heights. But, EMNIP, the spirits were able to go almost unnoticed almost close to the positions - and the landing party had to deal with a full-blooded, not weakened in advance artillery fire, a band group, and arte - jewelry to fire at targets almost next to the landing positions.
    3. Observer2014
      Observer2014 24 June 2016 18: 11
      +2
      Riv hi (4) RU Today, 14:09 PM
      “It’s not clear what they’re doing from the Airborne Forces again. Rather, it’s clear: every hole has a plug.” - “It was the same in Afghanistan. It is known what methods the landing force used to put things in order. Well, this is not their business, not theirs. Internal troops must restore order to the captured territory "

      Here’s a sensible reason for what the Airborne Forces need. Riv’s colleague That's it! The elders won, flew away. And the rest of the specifics, the other branches of the army should be engaged. And we have the Airborne Forces where they were thrown without hitting. Because as the most combat-ready units. , do not bother the temptation to use the Airborne Forces wherever you need and do not need. The Airborne Forces is an elite. Designed for lightning capture and holding until the main forces of bridgeheads approach.
      1. Riv
        Riv 25 June 2016 08: 05
        0
        Exactly! There is one more nuance. Elite troops do not just burn. It is hard in training, easy in battle (Suvorov said, who does not know). But! For example, if convicts escaped from the zone, or some kind of riot, they will definitely set the task for the next training VV. Patrolling, buffs and all that. They will both practice and complete the combat mission. But nothing special threatens them. Even if there are losses, they will be very small and they will only increase the combat effectiveness. And the paratroopers were simply put in the "9th company". That's it, the unit is gone. Prepare and teach again. And preparing a paratrooper is somewhat more difficult and more expensive than a BB-shnik.

        If the company could retreat, even with losses, its combat value would only increase. They give two unbeaten for beaten (again Suvorov quote). Such an opportunity is not something that wasn’t, but the landing party didn’t have a retreat.
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 25 June 2016 20: 15
          0
          It’s hard to learn, easy to hike (s).
          39 people participated, 6 died, 28 were injured, 9 of them severe.
          It was impossible to move away, the height of the battle at night (went 12 hours). They would be shot on departure.
  11. dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 24 June 2016 14: 10
    +3
    It is necessary to coordinate the issue of updating the BTA fleet in a coordinated manner, there is something to deliver, but the transporters are getting old and getting old
  12. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 June 2016 14: 16
    +1
    Previously, nuclear weapons storage bases and headquarters were like the purpose of the GRU special forces, now they have shifted to the Airborne Forces?
    1. dmitriyruss
      dmitriyruss 24 June 2016 14: 18
      +3
      For the number of targets, in principle, has not greatly decreased, and the means of their destruction (GRU brigades) have decreased dramatically, so you have to use "non-core assets"
    2. Alexei-
      Alexei- 24 June 2016 15: 58
      +1
      which means "shifted", they were a PRIORITY goal. How many years have passed, but my whole life has been imprinted in my head - "567 engineering company". The servicemen of this unit (or anyone who is in the slightest degree connected with this office) is exclusively alive deliver to the command, ignoring the combat missions received earlier.
  13. atamankko
    atamankko 24 June 2016 14: 18
    +2
    Great news, but BTA needs to be updated.
  14. KBR109
    KBR109 24 June 2016 14: 19
    +2
    Well, SPRUT - if he will land. And how will the T-72 be built into the Airborne Forces and why? Explain if not difficult. Again, is Chrysanthemum better than weight?
    1. dmitriyruss
      dmitriyruss 24 June 2016 14: 21
      +1
      Chrysanthemum on the front end cannot be used, only from the second line, and the T-72 is our native - "cast iron" it is on the front end like at home
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 24 June 2016 15: 04
        +2
        With what and on what "cast iron" will you drop?
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 24 June 2016 15: 59
          +1
          Why drop it? Transfer of BTA aircraft to your aerodrome, or captured by an advanced detachment (parachute landing, from helicopters, forces of Special Forces (Kosovo)).
          One way or another, during the Soviet era, 0,5 thousand tons of cargo per day was required to ensure the military operations of the Airborne Forces.
        2. Alexei-
          Alexei- 24 June 2016 16: 05
          0
          stop jerking, nobody is going to drop the t-72. Delivery by landing method, railway transport, raid .. in short, according to the situation
  15. Betahon
    Betahon 24 June 2016 14: 21
    +1
    Of course, the Airborne Forces need serious firepower of their own: how else, for example, to receive fire support from the White House or the US Congress ?! They themselves will fall under the distribution from "White Swans" or "Satan"! .... laughing
  16. Onegin
    Onegin 24 June 2016 14: 21
    .
    Airborne Forces - yesterday and as a branch of the armed forces it is not necessary - it’s just pumped infantry.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 24 June 2016 14: 29
      +4
      Go moat dig uncle, build trash cans Azov and envy silently. Gorgeous fluff on the tracks good Shamanov handsome cheers for his job and the designers are well done good
    2. avt
      avt 24 June 2016 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: Onegin
      Airborne Forces - yesterday and as a branch of the armed forces it is not necessary - it’s just pumped infantry.
      fool
      Aha
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Go moat dig uncle, build trash cans Azov and envy silently.

      The future lies with aeromogil troops equipped with surgical waste.
      Quote: KBR109
      Well, SPRUT - if he will land. And how will the T-72 be built into the Airborne Forces and why? Explain if not difficult.

      Not difficult, although they already got it. The Airborne Forces are in fact rapid reaction forces, and the response range depends on the transport capabilities. In terms of speed and response, BTA is a priority, but there are restrictions on weight and size, again, weight characteristics affect delivery methods. The main limitation is the parachute drop, which is the fastest delivery of equipment to personnel on almost any non-equipped beachhead runway - the clearing would be even. The second, combined arms kit, can be delivered by sea, or overtaken to the bridgehead from the nearest railway station. What actually did the US out of 82, when they sat with the old Sheridans in Saudi Arabia before the arrival of the transports from the MBT. Again, the same Pskovskaya in the quartering place, a combined arms kit with MBT in the current realities does not interfere with a single gram.
  17. vv3
    vv3 24 June 2016 14: 39
    .
    "The creation of tank companies as part of air assault units, announced by the commander of the Airborne Forces Vladimir Shamanov, will ensure the landing force unimpeded movement on the marches, guard and defense of strategic objects captured by parachute units and break through the enemy’s deeply echeloned defense," he added.

    Look what this unknown representative of the Airborne Forces headquarters says. What is the "breakthrough of the enemy's defense in depth"? How many thousands of paratroopers will die in this case. I would strangle this degenerate with my own hands. This is modern war, this is the doctrine of its conduct, which provides for the breakthrough of a deeply combined enemy defense! Why? What are the Airborne Forces in modern warfare, how should they be used? Look at what nonsense the author feeds us? Here is an example, which confirms, once again, about the complete idiocy of our military command and the General Staff. These narrow-minded senile people live in the old world, what are they preparing the army and the country for? WHAT information technologies, what is contactless war - they have no idea and do not want to have. They are not just stupid people, they are still criminals, because they occupy command positions, It's time before it's too late to figure out what modern war is, how it must be led, which we do not have for this. Develop a doctrine, discuss it at all levels and urgently correct the situation. And finally, to start creating information and combat control systems, without which such a war cannot be waged. Everything else will wait ... Konovalov and Kozyulin are also in trend ... Nuclear weapons are not concerned.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 June 2016 15: 19
      0
      Quote: vv3
      How many thousands of paratroopers will die in this. I would have strangled this degenerate with my own hands.

      Hear the strangler, and you think how many people will die if 200 nuclear bombs fall on our cities? I would choke people like you who love to shout. Strategies like you, better than generals, know how and what to do.
      USE then passed?
      1. vv3
        vv3 24 June 2016 15: 43
        0
        I, for those, as you said, without nuclear weapons. In 1977, I did not give up.
      2. vv3
        vv3 24 June 2016 16: 37
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        But in fact, I expressed my position, and you ... You are a descendant, and I am a Don Cossack. And I believe that Cossacks have a pedigree from the descendants of the Slavs in the Tatar-Mongol army and I have nothing to do with Zaporizhzhya ancestors, this is only one formation .
        1. marshes
          marshes 24 June 2016 16: 53
          +3
          Quote: vv3
          I’m a Don Cossack. And I think that Cossacks have a pedigree from the descendants of the Slavs in the Tatar-Mongol army and I have no relation to the Zaporizhzhya ancestors, this is only one formation.

          Do you probably have a genealogy book?
          I am Kazakh, we have Shezhere, a pedigree, according to tradition, I should know my ancestors up to the 7th generation, but we have further from the 12th century, there is a documented text. The book is in leather skin, though from the 19th century the records are in Arabic, then Latin and Cyrillic ... But they also released a continuation of self-publishing in the 2000s, there are blank pages at the end, but in a printed record my brother and I are there and I already wrote down my dunce.
          This is not a show-off, we have such a law with SEVEN Grandfathers, so that you wouldn’t get married when you are married to your relatives.
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      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 June 2016 16: 53
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hear the strangler, and you think how many people will die if 200 nuclear bombs fall on our cities? I would choke people like you who love to shout. Strategies like you, better than generals, know how and what to do.

        But in the main, he is right. ©

        How will the heavy landing technique be at the strategic targets of the enemy (including in Italy, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Turkey)? What forces will need to be used to deliver it? How to push these forces through NATO air defense?
        This is not World in Conflict with airborne T-72, but real life.
        1. marshes
          marshes 24 June 2016 17: 02
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          But in the main, he is right. ©

          Question IL-76 a year how many rivets?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 24 June 2016 17: 39
            +3
            Quote: marshes
            Question IL-76 a year how many rivets?

            He-he-he ... but the IL-76 will not help here. Because the T-72 climbs into the Il-76 only in the version "peel the tank to the thread, sew up the cabin with boards, sheathe the tank with the same boards and load and unload slowlySo far, only Indians have been engaged in such a technical Kama Sutra.
            In addition, in this version there will be no "from the ramp - into battle". Until such a T-72 is brought into combat readiness, the battle will already end.

            That is why I write that to consider the inclusion of tanks in the Airborne Forces in the context of protection and defense of strategic objects captured by the parachute landing units - this is the manilovism of a pure test. The BTA simply does not have enough sides to deliver tanks to such facilities in sane quantities, and the VKS forces to provide such an operation in terms of suppressing air defense and gaining air supremacy to the required depth.
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 24 June 2016 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: vv3
      "The creation of tank companies as part of air assault units, announced by the commander of the Airborne Forces Vladimir Shamanov, will ensure the landing force unimpeded movement on the marches, guard and defense of strategic objects captured by parachute units and break through the enemy’s deeply echeloned defense," he added.

      You look what this unknown representative of the headquarters of the Airborne Forces "breaking through the enemy's defense in depth"? How many thousands of paratroopers will die at the same time. I would have strangled this degenerate with my own hands. This is a modern war, this is the doctrine of its conduct, which provides for the breakthrough of deeply combined enemy defense! You look, what nonsense the author feeds us with? Here is an example that confirms, once again, the complete idiocy of our military command and the General Staff. These narrow-minded senility live in the old world, what are they preparing for the army and the country for? WHAT information technologies, what is a contactless war - they have no idea and do not want to have. They are not just stupid people, they are criminals because they occupy command posts, It's time until it’s too late to figure out what modern warfare is, how it must be conducted, which we do not have for this. To develop a doctrine, discuss it at all levels and urgently correct the situation. And finally, to begin to create information and combat control systems, without which such a war cannot be waged. Everything else will wait ... Konovalov and Kozyulin are also in trend ... nuclear weapons are not concerned.

      ====
      well, you can break through the defense from other sides, from the rear, from the flanks
  18. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 24 June 2016 14: 44
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    Airborne began to enter heavy equipment

    How can an airborne descent tank destroyer (and essentially an airborne light amphibious tank) be heavy equipment?

    one of the latest trends in army reform

    Well, if so, then everything is clear. "Hello" - to defective managers and office hamsters! laughing
  19. sogdianec
    sogdianec 24 June 2016 14: 46
    +6
    Can all tank and motorized infantry units be transferred to the Airborne Forces? Che trifle? There will be only two types of troops: the Airborne Forces and the Russian Guard (or the National Guard)
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 24 June 2016 14: 49
      +2
      Quote: sogdianec
      Can all tank and motorized infantry units be transferred to the Airborne Forces? Che trifle? There will be only two types of troops: the Airborne Forces and the Russian Guard (or the National Guard)


      Graceful joke! smile
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  21. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 24 June 2016 14: 52
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    "The creation of tank companies as part of air assault units, announced by the commander of the Airborne Forces Vladimir Shamanov, will ensure the landing force unimpeded movement on the marches, guard and defense of strategic objects captured by parachute units and break through the enemy’s deeply echeloned defense," he added.

    And what will the standard equipment of these tank companies be? If "Sprut-SD" or "Sprut-SDM-1" - then it's clear. If MBT is insanity.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 24 June 2016 15: 25
      +1
      An alternative is to introduce helicopters into the state of the airborne / airborne assault / assault units and strengthen the VTA so that these helicopters can be quickly transferred to the desired theater of operations. You understand, this is even less likely than delivering tanks in a landing way.
      When was the last parachute landing in combat? EMNIP 1000 people from 173 ATSBr and then to the territory controlled by Kurds.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 24 June 2016 15: 52
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        Quote: strannik1985
        You understand, this is even less likely than delivering tanks in a landing way.

        There are different tanks. Including and lungs - airborne. They are only designed to perform various combat missions.
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 24 June 2016 16: 07
          0
          Of course, the BMD-4 itself, and the Sprut, in fact, are light tanks, but their protection matches.
          In Afghanistan, the paratroopers had to be transferred to ground forces equipment, for example, 345 BMPs for 1700 people accounted for 105 BMP-2D (32 in the battalion), 26 BTR-70, 10 T-62M. Here are just the distances were relatively small, dismounted units were widely used in landing.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 June 2016 17: 06
      0
      Quote: wanderer_032
      And what will the standard equipment of these tank companies be? If "Sprut-SD" or "Sprut-SDM-1" - then it's clear. If MBT is insanity.

      Read carefully:
      increasing the firepower of airborne assault brigades of the Airborne Forces due to the transfer of large caliber equipment to them - airborne self-propelled artillery mounts with a 125 mm Sprut-SD gun, T-72B3 tanks and new BMD-4M combat vehicles with increased armor protection - this is an opportunity to create units for breaking through the enemy’s layered, well-protected infrastructure

      In principle, what the Shamans did was to be done 40 years ago. For the landing has long turned into a light motorized infantry, used for emergency reinforcement of linear units in threatened directions. And often - and to solve the problems of typical linear units in their areas. On 08.08.08, for example, our Airborne Forces intensely cosplayed the notorious American armored cavalry regiments, moving ahead of the line units and doing reconnaissance and strike work.

      The problem is that the classic airborne assault squadron makes it too light. And instead of reinforcing the linear units, the landing force itself needs reinforcement after the transfer. As a result, a confusion begins with the release of companies and batteries from motorized riflemen and tankers to support the Airborne Forces (in this case, it is clear who is given "to the side"), the coordination of units of two different types of armed forces, the solution of issues of using means unusual for a landing party, etc., and etc. It turns out that the linear units are also weakened, and the landing force is not sufficiently strengthened.

      The introduction of heavy units in the Airborne Forces will allow landing troops to gain experience in the use, interaction and control of similar equipment and similar units, as well as reduce the number of units taken from line infantry.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 24 June 2016 19: 45
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        In principle, what Shamans do was to be done 40 years ago.


        For what?

        Quote: Alexey RA
        For the landing has long turned into a light motorized infantry, used for emergency reinforcement of linear units in threatened directions.


        What for?
  22. Arkan
    Arkan 24 June 2016 15: 16
    0
    An "Octopus" with a 125 mm cannon is a very useful thing, since the "Nona" also shoots with direct fire, the distance of a direct shot is small to deal with enemy armored vehicles.
  23. hunt1
    hunt1 24 June 2016 15: 33
    +3
    Why can’t you increase the level of training of ordinary infantry to the Airborne Forces? in general, to make a unified training of all infantry according to the standards of the airborne forces. highlight in this super airborne units of constant readiness but standards should be the same for everyone. and parts of constant readiness should, like a banner, say 3 months, one regiment and then another to increase combat readiness, but this only works with equal basic training of the entire infantry.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 24 June 2016 16: 44
      +2
      The number of Airborne Forces is 45 thousand people, the number of Ground Forces is 395. Is it much easier to organize selection and preparation?
    2. Alexei-
      Alexei- 24 June 2016 16: 47
      +3
      Why can’t you increase the level of training of ordinary infantry to the Airborne Forces?

      I beg you)))) Look at the PPD of units and formations of the Airborne Forces, for the most part this is the "golden ring" of Russia. What kind of "clever staff" will go to raise the level of training of a motorized rifle regiment in the godforsaken taiga, steppe, tundra, mountain?)) )) IMHO, all this talking shop about the re-profiling of the Airborne Forces, as a rule, the desire to sit in a warm chair, closer to the Mother See, but the Varangian Officers who really stand up for the Army are only a few of them who are ready to go to the Darkness-cockroach to raise from the mud, get drunk, hopelessness, dolbo "bizm, theft, gossip, kumostva .... Is enough for you, otherwise I can continue?)))
    3. Svoy_tovarish
      Svoy_tovarish 24 June 2016 18: 34
      0
      Comrade, be realistic. Airborne is an elite, selected physical strong guys. It is impossible to adjust all land to their standard.
    4. Arkan
      Arkan 24 June 2016 19: 03
      +2
      It's simple, the elite cannot be too much. The cost of training and ammunition is not very small. I do not presume to compare prices at the end of the 80s of the last century, I served in the Airborne Forces at that time, but the hour of operation of the IL-76, as we were told, cost 60 thousand Soviet rubles. The personnel, as a rule, parachuted for the first time in DOSAAF, three jumps from An-2. That is, they were volunteers who had good physical training already in civilian life and who knew moral qualities. that the landing behind enemy lines could be one way. If so many people are gathered in the mabout, the flag is in hand, but the vest is not taken.
  24. Sars
    Sars 24 June 2016 16: 10
    +3
    Some kind of nonsense - on the verge of insanity.
    This is me about the T-72 in the Airborne Forces, and why not the T-14? It is also impossible to drop it, but it sounds more solid.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 24 June 2016 16: 39
      0
      Quote: SarS
      Some kind of nonsense - on the verge of insanity.
      This is me about the T-72 in the Airborne Forces, and why not the T-14? It is also impossible to drop it, but it sounds more solid.

      Okay, you will be malicious ... You will need and connect the T-14! All of you understand, perfectly .. hi The essence of all this, a single command! So that without any coordination ... DShB this is the whole point, just a jerk !!!!
      1. Sars
        Sars 24 June 2016 17: 09
        0
        Well yes. A single command should organize the optimal interaction of all kinds to perform specific tasks.
        And it is not necessary for each task to have a specific military unit. For example: to eliminate the American base Ramstein will need: six Escander missiles, two Tu-22m3, airborne regiment. For this, you do not need to have a military unit with the weapons listed above.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 June 2016 17: 21
      0
      Quote: SarS
      Some kind of nonsense - on the verge of insanity.
      This is me about the T-72 in the Airborne Forces, and why not the T-14? It is also impossible to drop it, but it sounds more solid.

      Because the Airborne Forces, motorized rifle and tank troops are different types of troops. The last two are generally included in a separate form - the ground forces.

      It’s easier to give your tanks a landing force than to constantly organize intergeneric and interspecific interaction. Hermann Goering guarantees! smile
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 24 June 2016 19: 49
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        It’s easier to give your tanks a landing force than to constantly organize intergeneric and interspecific interaction.


        Well then give them tanks with BHVT, old modifications. And not new and modern. Of which in SV themselves - one, two, and miscalculated.

        And by the way, all these attempts of the type - give everything to us, the airborne forces will not be brought to good.
      2. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 24 June 2016 19: 54
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Because the Airborne Forces, motorized rifle and tank troops are different types of troops.


        That's it. And therefore, as in the old children's song:



        It’s better to do what you do after all - the master. And do not try to carry water with a sieve.
      3. alpamys
        alpamys 25 June 2016 00: 41
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA


        It’s easier to give your tanks a landing force than to constantly organize intergeneric and interspecific interaction. Hermann Goering guarantees! smile

        it will be even simpler to build airborne forces in motorized rifle units and train them in parachute training.
  25. igordok
    igordok 24 June 2016 17: 08
    0
    ... capturing strategic airfields beneath human settlements ... and Kislovo.

    Thanks for the humor. Smiled. laughing
  26. Brigadier
    Brigadier 24 June 2016 17: 20
    -1
    All this is great! But you need faster! THE ENEMY AT OUR BORDERS HAS ALREADY PREPARED FOR JUMPING! We need to be in time! am
  27. igor 1976
    igor 1976 24 June 2016 17: 39
    +2
    Only one thing is frustrating, BMD and sau (octopus) did not put at least any protection against RPGs on the armored vehicles for the landing! And in modern combat, such a machine without it is a good target!
  28. gg.na
    gg.na 24 June 2016 21: 16
    -1
    In Italy, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Turkey, there are five storage facilities for American nuclear bombs B-61, there are at least 200 of them. There is a NATO command post, the US National Missile Defense system. The Airborne Forces is the spearhead, which is the first to neutralize the threat posed by these objects. Breaking through their defenses is only possible with the use of heavy equipment, ”Konovalov said.

    No one except the guys from the Airborne Forces (DShB it.d) For the Airborne drinks !!! Glory Airborne !!! drinks
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 24 June 2016 23: 04
      +2
      Quote: gg.na
      In Italy, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Turkey, there are five storage facilities for American nuclear bombs B-61, there are at least 200 of them. There is a NATO command post, the US National Missile Defense system. The Airborne Forces is the spearhead, which is the first to neutralize the threat posed by these objects. Breaking through their defenses is only possible with the use of heavy equipment, ”Konovalov said.

      No one except the guys from the Airborne Forces (DShB it.d) For the Airborne drinks !!! Glory Airborne !!! drinks

      I’m a DShBnik myself, but I don’t understand why to ruin the guys in capturing objects that a couple of missiles can easily handle, because capturing them whole is not practical?
  29. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 24 June 2016 21: 31
    0
    Yes ... BTA needs to be updated qualitatively and quantitatively. After all, the number of transporters is now calculated in units.
    1. Filxnumx
      Filxnumx 24 June 2016 22: 39
      0
      What kind of transport are you talking about? If we have in mind the IL-76M, MD, then there are almost two dozen of them being repaired annually, and they have had overhaul for 10 years, now it’s already 12. I would speak of hundreds.
  30. Tim
    Tim 24 June 2016 23: 05
    0
    We served before the Airborne Forces for 2 years, we had a serious selection of about 1/3 eliminated, now 1 year, and by this time only a soldier begins to understand the service, as for the article, this technique is undoubtedly needed for the Airborne Forcessoldier
  31. berezin1987
    berezin1987 24 June 2016 23: 27
    +1
    Why airborne non-transportable tanks. With the same success, it is possible to land an aircraft with SV equipment on a captured airfield. All landing equipment should be dropped from the aircraft and weigh in the 20 area. I hope the creators of the octopus have provided for the installation of an active protection complex on it. In the battle against the MBT, the octopus will not last long, and the chances are almost equal with kaz.
  32. Volksib
    Volksib 25 June 2016 06: 21
    0
    The commander of the Airborne Forces Shamanov has enormous combat experience and well-deserved authority. Armata is a crude machine. The T-72 is a proven machine and is in the right quantities at storage bases. The situation requires forced reinforcement of troops including the Airborne Forces. Moreover, the Airborne Forces are divided into two components -Assault and light parachute units. The creation of tank companies, on the contrary, will increase the mobility of troops. There is no need for any kind of coordination with the Ground Forces. Comrades are on the right track!
  33. Mentat
    Mentat 25 June 2016 18: 48
    0
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Hear the strangler, and you think how many people will die if 200 nuclear bombs fall on our cities? I would choke people like you who love to shout. Strategies like you, better than generals, know how and what to do.

    But in the main, he is right. ©

    How will the heavy landing technique be at the strategic targets of the enemy (including in Italy, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Turkey)? What forces will need to be used to deliver it? How to push these forces through NATO air defense?
    This is not World in Conflict with airborne T-72, but real life.

    Apparently, we are talking about counterattacks on the enemy, who managed to gain a foothold already in our territory. It seems that the concept of a long-term defensive war is being worked out.