A series of antiterrorist changes in the legislation of the Russian Federation adopted by the State Duma

Deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation adopted a package of anti-terrorist draft laws. The first thing that attracts attention is the exclusion from the list of adopted bills of responsibility in the form of deprivation of Russian citizenship for persons found guilty of crimes of a terrorist nature. However, in general, bills do respond to the gravity of terrorist crimes and look quite adequate in the face of the growing number of terrorist threats.

Thus, life imprisonment is introduced for participation in international terrorist groups recognized as such by Russia or the UN Security Council. Participation in the financing of terrorist groups is criminalized in the form of imprisonment up to 10 years. By the way, the very concept of “international terrorism” is now spelled out in Russian legislation with all the legal subtleties.

A new article is introduced into the Criminal Code of Russia, which provides for liability for failure to report a terrorist act in preparation, including the hijacking of an aircraft. The maximum term for this article is small - a year of imprisonment. At the same time, it is specified that criminal liability does not come if the close relatives did not report the impending terrorist act. Reports about it RIA News.

For a public call for terrorist activities (for example, on the Internet) a person faces up to 7 years in prison.

Recruitment to terrorist groups, inclination of a person to international terrorism is punishable by up to 10 years.

At the same time, it is noted that telecom operators are now obliged to store information about the facts of negotiations and user correspondence, so that using these data it would be easier to establish the involvement of a person in a terrorist group. It is this bill that caused the greatest rejection among the so-called human rights defenders. At the same time, the same human rights activists did not express indignation at this practice in a number of foreign countries, including the United States.

Comments

[sever.56]

Such standards, if not tougher, should have been introduced into the legislation the day before yesterday.
On "Mukho Moskvy", "Dozhd", "Novaya Gazeta" only yesterday began moaning about the thirty-seventh year, repressions and "Putin's bloody regime."

[Delink]

On good, return all the articles before perestroika in the current constitution, with appropriate modifications.

[cniza]

Quote: sever.56

Such standards, if not tougher, should have been introduced into the legislation the day before yesterday.
On "Mukho Moskvy", "Dozhd", "Novaya Gazeta" only yesterday began moaning about the thirty-seventh year, repressions and "Putin's bloody regime."

Correct corrections mean.

[Monarchist]

Field Marshal, you are absolutely right: the listed publications, as well as "Dozhd", have been in the "fifth column" for a long time. When the explosive began harassing ISIS, "Echo" found an observer who said: they are a little bit and they are harmless (almost). Assad has one of the best armies in the region and he them like police chickens. And how many times did NG talk about the Buryats? What did he think: maybe this is a dill?

[NIKNN]

We all know how cool the UN and its Security Council are, so we allowed ourselves to pull the phrase out of context

. So, a life sentence is introduced for participation in international terrorist groups recognized as such by Russia or the UN Security Council.

Well, he suggested that the guys recognize as a terrorist organization, for example, the EP party, then what? ...

[Fox]

Quote: sever.56

Such standards, if not tougher, should have been introduced into the legislation the day before yesterday.
On "Mukho Moskvy", "Dozhd", "Novaya Gazeta" only yesterday began moaning about the thirty-seventh year, repressions and "Putin's bloody regime."

so yes ... but the Kvachkovs, and not the dogs and Makarevichs, will sit. like 282.

[oldseaman1957]

"Recruitment into terrorist groups, persuading a person to engage in international terrorism is punishable by up to 10 years in prison." - For life !!!

[afrikanez]

It was this bill that caused the most rejection among the so-called human rights defenders. At the same time, the same human rights defenders did not express indignation at the similar practice in a number of foreign states, including the USA.

Isn't it time to disperse all this "pack" of human rights defenders who see what they want to see. The law should have been adopted long ago. It is a pity that the deprivation of Russian citizenship is not spelled out in the law.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: afrikanez

Isn't it time to disperse all this "pack" of human rights defenders who see what they want to see.

I agree.
Most of these "under-defenders" can confidently be equated with accomplices of the US terrorism incubator

[Executer]

Yes, not in vain! Will they be deprived of their citizenship - will they be expelled to Florida or Hyde Park? Nooo, dear, sit in the Pyatak for life!

[Homo]

Quote: Executer

Yes, not in vain! Will they be deprived of their citizenship - will they be expelled to Florida or Hyde Park? Nooo, dear, sit in the Pyatak for life!

A good example is Snowden. The USA has deprived him of citizenship, and now they bite his elbows, they can’t get it!

[Waltasar]

The controversial part of the project, although necessary, but crude. It will hit local companies and foreign affiliates. And the rest will be able to safely work in encrypted mode and no one will do anything.
It is necessary to make an analogue of the great Chinese firewall, and even that is not ideal.

[Basarev]

Quote: Waltasar

At the same time, the same human rights defenders did not express indignation at the similar practice in a number of foreign states, including the USA.

The difference is that in the USA and in other countries they do not dare to persecute for repost, and we already have the first precedent with a real time. Think about it: not even the author was planted, but only reposted. Although even if they would have taken the author, it’s still wild. Freedom of speech is indestructible and holy. It is time for the drafters of the bills to understand that word and deed are not synonyms at all, and therefore words should not be taxed.

[St Petrov]

sometimes words and rumors make big sacrifices

In China, they catch for spreading rumors and do the right thing.

"Don't talk! (C)

[Dart2027]

Quote: Basarev

It is time for the drafters of the bills to understand that word and deed are not synonyms at all, and therefore words should not be taxed.

In the dwelling gloomy shadows
They appeared before the judges
At the same hour: Robber
(He smashed along the big roads,
And finally got into the loop);
Another was the glory-covered Writer:
He delicately poured poison in his creations,
Instilled unbelief, rooted debauchery,
Was like a siren, sweet-eyed,
And, like the Siren, it was dangerous.

...

"Unhappy!" she says:
"Do you blame Providence?
And do you equal yourself with a Robber?
Before your nothing is his fault.
By his fury and anger,
He was harmful while only living;
And you ... already your bones have long decayed,
And the sun will never rise
So that new ones from you will not light up troubles.
Your creature’s poison not only doesn’t fade,
But, spilling, century-by-century lutes.

Look (here she saw the light for him)
Look at all the evil things
And the misfortunes you blame!
There are children, the shame of their families -
Despair of fathers and mothers:
By whom is the mind and heart poisoned in them?
Who, ridiculing like childhood dreams,
Matrimony, authorities, authorities,
They were blamed for all human misfortunes
And the connection of society was eager to dissolve? - you.
Weren't you imagining unbelief as enlightenment?
It’s not you who, in a tempting, attractive appearance,
And passion and vice?
And overwhelmed by your teachings,
There the whole country is full
Murders and robberies
Strife and rebellion
And brought to perdition by you!
In it, every drop of tears and blood - you are to blame.
And you dare to arm yourself with the blasphemy against the gods?
And how much will continue to be born
From your books in the world is evil!
Be patient; here for you and the measure of execution! "
Said the angry Meger -
And the boiler slammed the lid.
(I. A. Krylov "The Writer and the Robber")
http://rvb.ru/18vek/krylov/01text/vol3/01fables/172.htm

[efimich41]

Freedom of speech is indestructible and holy. It is time for the drafters of the bills to understand that word and deed are not synonyms at all, and therefore words should not be taxed.

The word = is a terrible power. A word can create and a word can destroy. Therefore, before you say something, you need to think carefully about the consequences for yourself and other people. It is high time to accustom the population to answer for their words in accordance with the law and conscience. The main thing is not to harm your neighbor.

[Monarchist]

These liberal defenders have a powerful "roof" with a star-striped flag

[Basil50]

But what about the compensation for the consequences of the * terrorist attack *? And when will the confiscations be introduced? And when will the deprivation of CITIZENSHIP be introduced? It is high time to return the DEATH PENALTY.

[Scoun]

Quote: Vasily50

But what about the compensation for the consequences of the * terrorist attack *?

The state pays compensation, and this also applies to natural disasters.

Quote: Vasily50

And when will the confiscations be introduced?

Well, it’s like they demolished the house at the root and did not give the bodies of terrorists (recently in Dagestan the crowd took the body away)

Quote: Vasily50

And when will the deprivation of CITIZENSHIP be introduced?

It doesn’t hinder like Hodor.

Quote: Homo

A good example is Snowden. The USA has deprived him of citizenship, and now they bite his elbows, they can’t get it!

Quote: Vasily50

It is high time to return the DEATH PENALTY.

Or maybe it's time to just put things in order? Here on the forum the guys described in detail their problems in Dagestan, money comes from the budget, and the local bureaucrats saw them in their own way, the execution is the elimination of the "pimple" and not the treatment of the disease itself. All prison sentences are the same bad, they are for most of the taxes are contained.

[Monarchist]

I agree that it is time to introduce capital punishment as an exceptional measure of punishment for terrorism, but a wild howl will rise among home-grown liberals

[Saratoga833]

Quote: Monarchist

wild howl will rise among home-grown liberals

And you listen to less liberals, but look less in their mouths!

[Dam]

And I would still deprive ISIS participants of citizenship

[VSZMK]

And now what about mobile companies? Or will the client pay for everything?

[Abbra]

Removed from the language ... By the way, this is a lot of money for mobile operators. Guess three times, how will they reimburse them?

[Executer]

Why guess? Nobody has canceled the Law on providing SORM ...

[Scoun]

Quote: VSZMK

And now what about mobile companies? Or will the client pay for everything?

Off-peak picks. )))
It’s just that they are cheating, I had a normal number without showing off))) for almost 10 years, the operator wrote off money from me like that, I’m calling that for ??? in response - you were roaming in an area called an area where I have never been, that is, they don’t control their connection, money remained on the account but the phone failed and I used the corporate number, so they began to debit money from the account and then they just took the number and how much do they connect additional services without notifying the client? Ours has allowed 4 companies to enter the federal network, which means there is a place.

Quote: Abbra

Incidentally, this is crazy money for mobile operators. Guess three times, how will they reimburse them?

so they have crazy money spinning and so and of course they will start to tear us.
At one time, with what kind of creak, the operators agreed to give numbers to another operator ... or whatever we adjusted and we left the operator for another after 6 years of use. They well understood that for a commercial company, changing numbers is fraught with losses and doing what they wanted.
Quarrels for off topic. )))

[Pitot]

Will the rain be closed and attracted? These nits sit and shit, stand and shit. Tweet and crap.

[nik-karata]

Pleases. Terrorism is a terrible thing. Accordingly, the punishment should be so terrible that it would not be desirable to become a terrorist. Well, and human rights defenders in .opu!

[silver_roman]

It would not be a bad thing to hold a referendum on the introduction of the death penalty: I believe that this is really necessary.
Not formally, the rule "we do not negotiate with terrorists" works and they kill them without talking at all, but there are gaps in the law.

[Corsair0304]

Quote: silver_roman

It would not be bad to hold a referendum on the introduction of the death penalty:

Not the death penalty, but forced labor in uranium mines or somewhere else in a similar place. So that not to spend the patron on him or to support the executioner and the rest of the staff, but so that this u.rod will compensate for the harm done to the state until the last breath. So that everyone else also realizes that just like that "Bakh - and in Paradise with the Hurias" does not shine to anyone. And there will be hard work to sweat and no way out. And if he decides to lay hands on himself in the process, then the entrance to paradise is forbidden to suicides. And the state has nothing to do with it either - he decided himself, he fulfilled himself.

[Basarev]

And why is everyone so afraid of uranium mines? In natural uranium ores, the proportion of uranium proper is within the limits of statistical error, and it is very heavily contaminated with impurities. The background in those places is even lower than natural. In this regard, even street rubble is more dangerous than uranium ores.

[Corsair0304]

Quote: Basarev

And why is everyone so afraid of uranium mines? In natural uranium ores, the proportion of uranium proper is within the limits of statistical error,

and forced labor in uranium mines or somewhere else in a similar place.

[Basarev]

It’s just that uranium mines, whose image has become directly a textbook, began to flicker especially often.

[Monarchist]

You just say about him and "Rain" or "Echo" will immediately recognize you as Malyuta Skuratov or Lavrenty Pavlovich

[Monarchist]

Dear members of the forum, remember when the Aerospace Forces started working in Syria? "Echo" found an expert who argued that there are few barmaleevs, they are poorly armed, and Assad's army is one of the strongest in the region and they seem to catch them ... In my opinion, "Rain" five times it shot down our planes, and NG claimed that our army was equipped with rusty and other weapons, and rearmament would be possible in about 50-60 years, and by that time, due to the ambitions of the explosives, we were in the dust a long time ago ...

[Saratoga833]

Putin introduced a moratorium on the death penalty in order to get into the completely unnecessary WTO (only our homegrown oligarchs need it).

[Verdun]

At the same time, it is noted that telecom operators are now obligated to store information about the facts of negotiations and correspondence of users, so that using this data it would be easier to establish the involvement of a person in a terrorist group.

It has already been calculated that in order to fulfill the requirements of this law, the world industry producing information carriers will have to work exclusively for Russia for several years. At the same time, to fight terrorism only with prohibitive measures is a pointless business. We need to change something in our world order. change so that people do not have a desire to go into terror.

[Monarchist]

Colonel-General, apparently, you already know what to change? Enlighten us "orphans." The whole world is racking their brains, but have you found a way?

[Verdun]

Quote: Monarchist

Enlighten us "orphans". All over the world they are racking their brains, but have you found a way?

There is no panacea. The solution should always be comprehensive. There is only a direction in which to move. If a person gets the opportunity to self-actualize within the framework of a certain society, if the level of his culture, education and, yes, welfare grows, then he does not seek to destroy this society. And if he is constantly poked with his physiognomy in the mud and on each occasion they demonstrate neglect of him as a person, then this person begins to look for a way out. And this way out is far from always ideal.

[Corsair0304]

At the same time, the same human rights defenders did not express indignation at the similar practice in a number of foreign states, including the USA.

It's just not worth looking at the United States at all. Not the best example. Assange is a vivid evidence of this. Generally an ambiguous law. Seemingly good goals, it is necessary to press the "Fifth Column" for a long time. But personally, I can't imagine how to escape to the NKVD and be held responsible for the failure to inform.
For example: here, on the forum, one of the participants said "Yes, blow up Yellowstone, so that the ocean splashes in place of the United States!" Maybe as a joke, maybe in hearts (cry from the heart, so to speak). How should this be regarded? How is the call to commit a terrorist attack? It seems that all the signs are there ... But in fact - a flood.
And what in this case to do, to flee to the NKVD or just to score on this matter? But the law is read literally, without interpretation, until judicial practice is gained.

With all this, I remain committed to the policy of our GDP.

[Basarev]

That's just the captain confidently leads the boat to the bottom and therefore the duty of all - who cares about the boat - to eliminate such a captain and all his henchmen. At any cost.
Or do you really think that Putin and the thieves surrounding him are not one gang-watering can?

[Monarchist]

Let me ask you, who is the captain: "Papa Zyu" (a charming person in himself) Kasyanov, or maybe yourself? You can also remember Masha Gaidar, she is unemployed now (they did not want her dill). will not work: Libirals do not like the history of the Motherland. It was possible that Vladyka acted as an arbitrator, and we have many confessions and that means ... In a stormy sea without a captain 100% shipwreck

[Monarchist]

General Army, I agree with you in many ways, but the caption under the illustrations: "I'm not a fan of Putin, but in a boat called Russia ..." lovely

[maxim1987]

previously there was such a concept-defeat in rights. Maybe it is worth depriving close relatives of terrorists of pensions, social benefits, medical insurance

[weksha50]

Quote: maximNNX

Maybe it is worth depriving close relatives of terrorists of pensions, social benefits, medical insurance

Hmm ... the medal has two sides ...

And normal people have ... abnormal children and grandchildren ...
Tough measures are needed, but I can't imagine how to deprive a 60-70-80-year-old father-mother-grandfather-grandmother from pensions and medical care for the "feat" of his son-grandson ...

Need a return of the death penalty ...
A moratorium was imposed on it only to please Western countries ... I still don’t understand - they (if not all) have the death penalty (in the states there is even a choice for every taste - gas, electricity and something else) and they are considered democrats ...

Is it for the sake of us not to legally shoot the 5th column ???

[Monarchist]

You yourself answered your own question. What can Jupiter ....

[Verdun]

Quote: maximNNX

previously there was such a concept-defeat in rights. Maybe it is worth depriving close relatives of terrorists of pensions, social benefits, medical insurance

Even a "bloody despot," as some will say, I.V. Stalin believed that the son was not responsible for his father.

[Corsair0304]

But this can not be done.

The son is not responsible for the father

The words of I.V. Stalin (1878-1953), uttered by him at a meeting of advanced combine operators (December 1, 1935) in response to a speech by A. G. Tilba, a participant in the meeting. The latter said: “Although I am the son of a fist, I will honestly fight for the cause of the workers and peasants”

[Monarchist]

It would be great, the relatives themselves will "knit violent", and those will think 10 times. R. Kadyrov proposed to burn down the houses of terrorists and by God, introduce such a norm into the law it will get better!

[samarin1969]

A) "At the same time, it is specified that criminal liability does not arise if his close relatives did not report about the impending terrorist act (!). RIA Novosti reports this."

B) "For public calls for terrorist activity (for example, on the Internet), a person faces up to 7 (!) Years in prison."

Some kind of legal inadequacy between crime and punishment between A and B. Vaughn Israel, without false shame, is bulldozing the houses of the families of "freedom fighters" .... And "accomplices" relatives will get off with a preventive conversation. As a carbon copy, there are interviews from the mountains: "a good boy, he loved to read, to music, played in the forest until he was 30, did not want to work for a pittance of 50000 rubles ... it is the" system "to blame that he went into jihad."

It is high time the outskirts of the Russian Federation (from the Far East to the Southern Federal District) come under the direct control of the security forces.

[Basarev]

First of all, Moscow and personally all the authorities should be placed under the direct control of the security forces. In order not to dare to live on many millions - and to broadcast the people about the crisis. The people from this are quite embittered and quite rightly take up arms. And there, and not far from terrorism. So, if you look at the root, terrorism is not from the rumors of the Koran. It is from embezzlement and duplicity of power. And only idiots are being conducted on religious nonsense.

[Corsair0304]

In 30-40 years. Moscow and Leningrad were under the tight control of the security forces. And this did not prevent panic among the party apparatchiks and the like in 1941, when they declared a "people's militia" by disrupting the mobilization by military enlistment offices, and then, when the Germans had already approached Moscow and a state of siege was declared, together with children and households, as well as junk acquired overwhelmingly rushed out of Moscow.
When Stalin was informed about this, he said something like "Let these rats run, our ship will not sink" (I cannot vouch for the accuracy, but there was a similar statement)

[Basarev]

This only confirms my words. When the capitals are under the tight control of the security forces, the statesmen remain on the ground and continue to work. And all sorts of pests are trying to escape and can no longer cause damage to the country. The effect is positive.

[Verdun]

Quote: samarin1969

And the "accomplices" will get off with a preventive conversation

Only a court can prove aiding. If there is evidence, judge, and there is no problem. But it is indiscriminate to assume that all relatives are accomplices of the criminal, in itself a crime.

[Monarchist]

i.e. introduce governor general? There was a tradition under Goudar, but now try what comes out of you

[weksha50]

"For participation in financing terrorist groups criminalize imprisonment to 10 years"...

Um ... I don’t know, maybe I’m not right, but I think that here too it would be possible to tighten the term, increase ...

How many problems both in the world and in our country are due to the financing of terrorists ... Yes, even in order to recruit young people, what finances are needed ... I’m not talking about bОmore significant details, such as the supply of weapons and other support ...

[olimpiada15]

The financing of terrorism is a decisive factor for terror, because the financing of terrorism is a level of severity as the customer and organizer of the crime, the punishment is no less than for the performer.
But there is a nuance about which we must not forget that when collecting money they sometimes declare a plausible goal and people are led to it. Formally, they sponsored terrorism, their money went to a certain account, but people were simply misled.

[weksha50]

Quote: olimpiada15

sometimes they declare a plausible goal and people are led to it. Formally, they sponsored terrorism, their money went to a certain account, but people were simply misled.

We are not talking about this, and you should clearly understand this ...

Nobody will land anyone if a person transferred some money to an account for operating a child ... And this money was used to finance terrorists ...

By God, you have now taken and spoke as a "mafia lawyer", indicating how you can beat these changes in the legislation ...

That’s who adopts these laws and changes in them, they just have to do so in order not to give different interpretations of the articles of the law ...

[sergeyzzz]

Quote: maximNNX

previously there was such a concept-defeat in rights. Maybe it is worth depriving close relatives of terrorists of pensions, social benefits, medical insurance

Then our liberties will continuously blame the government for all mortal sins.

[Vladislav 73]

It’s as if they’re not blaming now! Liberast is even a liberalist, he will find a bump out of the blue!

Quote: weksha50

A moratorium was imposed on it only to please Western countries ... I still don’t understand - they (if not all) have the death penalty (in the states there is even a choice for every taste - gas, electricity and something else) and they are considered democrats ...

The so-called "democrats" have the Saudis and other Jordanians quite "democratic" partners, where they publicly chop their heads, hang them, and stone them ... I also think that it is high time to send all these "human rights" horror stories about the death penalty to svalku.If we are told at all crossroads that a war is being waged against Russia, then the war is like a war! My opinion is that the death penalty is not terrible for "human rights activists", first of all, the authorities do not need it. How many laws on toughening punishment for corrupt officials and others " effective managers "GD hacked to death? And these horror stories about the death penalty from the same opera.

[atamankko]

I welcome tightening, but with human rights defenders
something is rather weak and the death penalty is needed.

[Hammer]

adopted laws that will complicate the lives of ordinary people, and most importantly - the deprivation of citizenship thrown out. And hamsters are pretty happy.

[7race]

The Reich is getting closer, and for some reason the autobahns are not being built ...

For a public call for terrorist activities (for example, on the Internet), a person faces up to 7 years in prison

Slippery phrase. If desired, almost any phrase can be summarized under the article - there would be a desire.
Desire, of course, will be. And then too much terpils began to excite against the masters of life and their hangers-on. Well, whip them!
Like Ain Rand:

“Do you really think that we want these laws to be respected?” - began Dr. Ferris. - We want them to be violated .... It is extremely difficult to control innocent people. The only power that the government has is power that can break the criminal element. Well, if there are not enough criminals, they must be created. So many laws are adopted that it is impossible for a person to exist without violating them. Who needs a nation consisting entirely of law-abiding citizens? What good is it? But publish laws that can neither be respected, enforced, nor objectively interpreted, and you will get a nation of violators, which means you can make money on crimes.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

- "At the same time, the same human rights activists did not express indignation at such a practice in force in a number of foreign countries, including the United States."

In the homeland of democracy, human rights are generally regarded from a practical point of view - if it is beneficial for us, we respect, if not profitable, sorry. That is to teach others to respect human rights, they are forever, and to observe for ourselves - why? They condemn our policemen for several bloodless dispersed unauthorized demonstrations, but with the American police, who first shoots at their citizens and then asks questions - everything is in order, excellent guys serve and protect! And the fact that they kill ten thousand of their citizens every year without any need, just like that, from fright or from unnecessary foolishness - that's okay, it’s a matter of life, everyone is mistaken .. We will teach the Russian democracies better than their mistakes to understand ..

[DECORATOR]

Only socialism will save Russia, and these ace Spring (not said by night) will drag it to the bottom ...

[Haloperidol]

Sorry, but I do not like it ... The death penalty should be introduced in Russia, with confiscation of property, for terrorists and their accomplices, all, without exception