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Revealed multi-million embezzlement funds in the repair of ships of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Federation

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Information Agency TASS with reference to the press service and information department, the FSB reports on the identification of large thefts during the repair of ships from the Northern fleet RF The report says that 15 criminal cases have been opened on the fact of theft, several of which are already being considered by the courts.

According to the materials published on the TASS pages, the cumulative damage exceeds the amount of 100 million rubles, and the extracted illegal income reaches the amount of 150 million rubles. From the message:

At the moment, criminal cases related to unlawful acts revealed during the repair of submarines and ships of the Northern Fleet have been initiated, investigated and considered in the courts over 15.


Not so long ago, according to the verdict of the court, the ex-director of the Zvezdochka plant, Fedor Barashko, was sentenced to 8,5 years of imprisonment. Barashko was convicted of a corruption offense. We are talking about the appropriation of funds allocated at the time for the repair of the cruiser "Peter the Great". The then director of the plant signed an act of execution of works that were not actually performed.

Revealed multi-million embezzlement funds in the repair of ships of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Federation


Newly identified corruption schemes include embezzlement of the state budget funds identified during repair and modernization work on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser.
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  1. tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 23 June 2016 16: 53
    +26
    Well, who doubted it, only modestly like 100 million, with such a budget.
    More like a struggle of interests, with such state. orders place will be bread and butter more than one year.
    We have always been tyril at all times. The main thing is that the ships are built and repaired normally, a low bow to the entire work collective.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 23 June 2016 16: 56
      +59
      In fact, this is a deliberate undermining of the state's defense capability. We are here repeating about a "new cold war", NATO is surrounding us with bases, and these citizens are stuffing their money on defense orders. Punish mercilessly! Only now will they be punished?
      1. aba
        aba 23 June 2016 17: 21
        +30
        and these citizens stuff their moshna on defense orders. Punish mercilessly! But will they punish them?

        What system is in the country, such are the heroes. Capitalism recognizes a full member of society who is willing and able to pay for a place in the sun. For this, people commit crimes. But as experience from the history of Oboronservis shows, if you stole more than everything, then you are not a criminal and will return "everything that was acquired by hard work." Maybe even quietly and apologized to them.
        1. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 23 June 2016 17: 43
          +19
          Mdya, since the time of Noah there were some ...... negative
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 24 June 2016 00: 34
            -1
            Quote: Major Yurik
            Oh, since the time of Noah, there have been some ...


            )) some, here and there, always and everywhere. sly-assed "God-chosen" and their descendants
        2. 30BIS
          30BIS 23 June 2016 22: 50
          +2
          People without honor and conscience. False patriots of the motherland. When they’ll get drunk, they’ll bully. They’ll burst from the devoured! Punish mercilessly! Concept-Enemies of the people, who has not been canceled. ....
        3. avia1991
          avia1991 24 June 2016 03: 17
          +1
          Quote: aba
          Capitalism recognizes as a full member of society one who is ready and can pay for a place in the sun.

          Mdya-ya .. Nothing changes under the Sun!
          The news does not even cause emotions anymore - it’s usual ..
      2. sever.56
        sever.56 23 June 2016 17: 25
        +59
        Under the "humpback", somewhere in the year 87, an order was read to us in the unit about one "business" caperang from the Headquarters of the rear of the Northern Fleet: - thanks to the mess, he managed to write off 4,5 tons of silver-zinc batteries from torpedoes, and tried to send them on the "steamer" of his son's company to Norway. The 1st department, and the KGB tracked all this, the result - the caperang papa was given twelve years, with the deprivation of his military rank and awards. My son is 8 years old.
        The second episode: already in the "dashing" 90s, captri, from the same headquarters (jerk, but dad was in the Main Command of the Navy), decided to turn the same scam, only with bandits. The result - the explosion of the car right at the headquarters, the fucking legs are torn off, an invalid. No money, no service, no health.
        It would be better with all the thieves in uniform going on, as in the second embodiment.
        I don’t believe in justice in relation to such thieves.
        1. doework
          doework 23 June 2016 18: 32
          +13
          To the wallbitch children!
          1. sub307
            sub307 23 June 2016 23: 57
            +1
            "To the wall, you sons of bitches!"
            Better - a bag on his head and a fence ....
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        2. Revolver
          Revolver 23 June 2016 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: sever.56
          With a "hunchback"

          You would still remember how to deal with such under Stalin. But, as the GDP said, now is not the thirty-seventh. Fortunately. Or maybe unfortunately.
          1. sandrmur76
            sandrmur76 23 June 2016 18: 59
            +2
            So this is not just theft, it is sabotage, the weakening of the country's defense. Why would a country cripple without legs? Feed it? Caught with similar deeds and to hard labor am
          2. In100gram
            In100gram 23 June 2016 20: 31
            +5
            Quote: Nagan
            But, as the GDP said, now is not the thirty-seventh. Fortunately. Or maybe unfortunately.

            I agree, but for me 37 is better, and we need to start with the "case of doctors." There were excesses, but so was order.
        3. PSih2097
          PSih2097 24 June 2016 09: 05
          +1
          Quote: sever.56
          I don’t believe in justice in relation to such thieves.

          And we have always been doing this recently, for a bag of potatoes - 5 years, but for the theft of 1 from the military budget - 000 years probation, with a pardon a year later, although the face of the crimes under Art. 000 and 000 of the Criminal Code.
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 23 June 2016 17: 26
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        In fact, this is a deliberate undermining of the state's defense capability. We are here repeating about a "new cold war", NATO is surrounding us with bases, and these citizens are stuffing their money on defense orders. Punish mercilessly! Only now will they be punished?

        Well, war crimes (abuse) should be considered by the TRIBUNAL. I don’t understand what the problem is.
        1. Neputin
          Neputin 23 June 2016 18: 19
          +5
          You naturally do not understand ... This is teleportation. Yes, yes the one that they are going to widely implement by 2035. True, apart from money, nothing has been teleported yet.
        2. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 23 June 2016 20: 34
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          TRIBUNAL.

          You forgot to put a hyphen there or two hyphens, although I support the idea, plus ... The fact that literacy has now decreased, also due to the fact that different officials steal a lot of money and not only in the defense industry, and therefore they teach poorly at school?
          No offense to you, Mavrikiy ...
          1. Volodin Dmitry
            Volodin Dmitry 23 June 2016 21: 13
            0
            Aime sorry, huge! belay I wanted to draw you a plus, but everything is fine on smart, I missed! recourse
      4. forester
        forester 23 June 2016 17: 35
        +12
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But will they punish them?

        Well, for the wit, they will slap on the ass and threaten with a finger, well, maybe they’ll slap someone 3-4 years old with the prospect of parole. But in general, it’s funny to me - judging by the damage, shooting from a gun on sparrows reminds me When it was called wrecking - a firing squad, and now theft is being reclassified to be especially large amounts in excess of official powers negligence and misuse of budget funds am
      5. 13 warrior
        13 warrior 23 June 2016 17: 50
        0
        When will the thefts reveal in our department !?
        1. Neputin
          Neputin 23 June 2016 18: 21
          +4
          Your question inspired me by an old anecdote about the struggle of the prosecutor's office against embezzlement and hunting for "big fish". The prosecutor's office catches a large fish, then ... fulfills 3 of her wishes and ... lets go.
        2. Volodin Dmitry
          Volodin Dmitry 23 June 2016 21: 16
          +6
          Today someone posted
      6. Foresterer
        Foresterer 23 June 2016 18: 06
        +2
        The FSB just recently removed two of the top management. So, not everything is still bad, specialists work.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 24 June 2016 09: 51
          0
          Quote: Foresterer
          The FSB just recently removed two of the top management. So, not everything is still bad, specialists work.

          maybe they didn’t share with anyone just, or they didn’t take the rank
      7. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 23 June 2016 19: 00
        0
        And it all depends on the circle in which the suspects enter .. and then suddenly the untouchables will fall ..
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        In fact, this is a deliberate undermining of the state's defense capability. We are here repeating about a "new cold war", NATO is surrounding us with bases, and these citizens are stuffing their money on defense orders. Punish mercilessly! Only now will they be punished?
      8. Bath
        Bath 23 June 2016 19: 12
        +2
        Caught still does not mean condemned, condemned does not mean planted, planted does not mean that you will sit, and then there’s another amnesty and just do not self-interest for the sake of tokmo ,,,
      9. finderektor
        finderektor 23 June 2016 19: 15
        +3
        After 3 lards Vasilyeva-Serdyukov-a trifle somehow.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 23 June 2016 19: 56
          -3
          Quote: finderektor
          After 3 lards Vasilyeva-Serdyukov-a trifle somehow.

          - Decoding 3 lards bring?
      10. staskaz1990
        staskaz1990 23 June 2016 19: 37
        +4
        If in our state to punish all the stealing, the AREA WILL STAY WITHOUT GOVERNORS, FACTORIES WITHOUT DIRECTORS, YES, AND THE MINISTRY OF GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUDDEN.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 23 June 2016 19: 57
          0
          Quote: staskaz1990
          If in our state to punish all the stealing, the AREA WILL STAY WITHOUT GOVERNORS, FACTORIES WITHOUT DIRECTORS, YES, AND THE MINISTRY OF GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUDDEN.

          - and then everything will become ... Coca-Cola, right? wink
        2. Woland
          Woland 23 June 2016 21: 00
          0
          so after all, a holy place is never empty. New ones will come basically the same
          1. Roman 11
            Roman 11 23 June 2016 21: 28
            +4
            Quote: Woland
            so after all, a holy place is never empty. New ones will come basically the same

            here it is necessary to put to the wall, so as not to walk in a circle .....
            1. Burivad
              Burivad 24 June 2016 06: 47
              0
              I'm afraid the wall will not help. Those who have to put should be the same ... and they will put on order from those who would have to be ... here is such a conclusion))
              I think a new system is needed. Own. Not a bit "foreign"
      11. staskaz1990
        staskaz1990 23 June 2016 19: 37
        0
        If in our state to punish all the stealing, the AREA WILL STAY WITHOUT GOVERNORS, FACTORIES WITHOUT DIRECTORS, YES, AND THE MINISTRY OF GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUDDEN.
      12. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 June 2016 19: 47
        +6
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Punish mercilessly!

        I have already said for a long time that embezzlement in the defense industry should be punished under the article "treason to the Motherland" and punished accordingly.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 23 June 2016 20: 00
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Punish mercilessly!

          I have already said for a long time that embezzlement in the defense industry should be punished under the article "treason to the Motherland" and punished accordingly.

          - Special GOZ accounts have been made for this
          - the people howl .. but it works

          The thing is, headquarters ... you need to not just know that the money spent - you need to know what it is actually spent on.

          The idea of ​​"theft in the defense industry is treason to the Motherland" - I support with two hands .. and there are two more legs - I can also, that .. support yes
      13. sherp2015
        sherp2015 24 June 2016 00: 32
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        In fact, this is a deliberate undermining of the state's defense capability. We are here repeating about a "new cold war", NATO is surrounding us with bases, and these citizens are stuffing their money on defense orders. Punish mercilessly! Only now will they be punished?

        What are you? We are not the 37th))))))
      14. bald
        bald 24 June 2016 03: 07
        +1
        Of course not. For example, I hear from year to year about fraud with the state. funds allocated for repair and modernization of the fleet from ordinary executors of orders. -Without shadow scrolling of funds allocated for fleet repairs within six months, or even more on the side by commercial banks, it does not cost a single year, and it is unlikely to cost. - It’s too fat to suck up pieces that have to be pulled out of the mouth (it’s convenient that the money is on the state budget, and gentlemen are used by bankers with accomplices from the highest echelons of power), and our nouveau riche people are unlikely to do such feats. only a drop in the sea of ​​lawlessness.
      15. lukewarm
        lukewarm 24 June 2016 08: 52
        +1
        Already punished. 8,5 years. It will probably come out on parole. Well this is your class. The people left Well this is not a patriot to close on the 282nd. Stole a little, and therefore sat down. By rank. If it were Vasilyeva, they would simply threaten with a finger.
      16. Skif83
        Skif83 24 June 2016 20: 13
        0
        Punish mercilessly! But will they punish them?

        But did they punish Serdyukov with Vasily?
        The Kremlin does not surrender angry
    2. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 23 June 2016 16: 57
      +6
      Until you see the documents of the case, you can doubt everything. Such persecution is sometimes undertaken to eliminate directors and specialists.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 23 June 2016 17: 02
        +3
        Quote: tiredwithall
        Until you see the documents of the case, you can doubt everything.
        Nobody will show you the materials, I have no doubt that the court will be closed. But the fact that such an official message appeared means that the case will be brought to trial.
        1. tiredwithall
          tiredwithall 23 June 2016 17: 22
          -3
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Nobody will show you the materials, I have no doubt that the court will be closed.

          Herein lies the quintessence. It means that there really is no right to information - no, there is no publicity in the trial, and that means no democracy. The moment of truth. Catch.
          1. 3 Gorynych
            3 Gorynych 23 June 2016 17: 33
            +2
            read carefully
            Not so long ago, according to the verdict of the court, the former director of the Zvyozdochka plant Fedor Barashko was sentenced to 8,5 years in prison
            things are going on - and some are already in the final phase! And what does democracy have to do with it?
          2. aleksfill
            aleksfill 23 June 2016 17: 35
            +2
            What democracy, what publicity, what are you talking about? You need specific pieces of paper,
            evidence of damage to defense, data that is secret?
          3. Homo
            Homo 23 June 2016 18: 22
            +4
            Quote: tiredwithall
            Herein lies the quintessence. It means that there really is no right to information - no, there is no publicity in the trial, and that means no democracy. The moment of truth. Catch.

            A defense order - what is publicity, the right to information, what are you talking about? What is democracy in the army ??? Young man, how old are you?
            1. tiredwithall
              tiredwithall 24 June 2016 12: 36
              0
              And if without emotion, Gennady. In such cases, it is not required to represent those. defense order documentation. There is not even a need to shine a budget. Question about the amount of damage and evidence of it. These are, as a rule, accounting and banking documents correlated with the articles of laws on misuse. That's the whole secrecy that is respected.
          4. gladysheff2010
            gladysheff2010 23 June 2016 18: 50
            +1
            Wrong website, fighter for democracy and glasnost? And here I am, like many who are present here, are fed up with such "values"! In regards to the former director of "Zvezdochka", the court must have its say - we must not slide into legal chaos, as it was in the nineties: the investigators catch criminals, and the court lets them go.
          5. aba
            aba 23 June 2016 18: 51
            +2
            and therefore democracy - no.

            No and no!
            But personally, I want socialism with its totalitarianism!
          6. Cat man null
            Cat man null 23 June 2016 20: 02
            -1
            Quote: tiredwithall
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Nobody will show you the materials, I have no doubt that the court will be closed.

            Herein lies the quintessence. It means that there really is no right to information - no, there is no publicity in the trial, and that means no democracy. The moment of truth. Catch.

            Democracy in governance is a mess.

            It reminds me of the commanders of the election times ... for some reason what
        2. your1970
          your1970 23 June 2016 17: 58
          0
          Ami du peuple
          и being considered in courts of more than 15 criminal cases,
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 23 June 2016 17: 03
        +2
        Quote: tiredwithall
        Such persecution is sometimes undertaken to eliminate directors and specialists.

        Or "forgot" to share.
      3. captain
        captain 23 June 2016 17: 05
        +9
        However, this is becoming a tradition. There is only one way out; plant with confiscation of property. But after the affairs of Serdyukov, one hardly believes in this possibility.
        1. berezin1987
          berezin1987 23 June 2016 17: 13
          +11
          Planting is not enough. We must start shooting, and do it en masse. The desire to grab should be balanced by the fear of getting a bullet in the back of the head. Corruption and theft are ineradicable, but their scale can be significantly reduced. Let the liberals howl, but I am for the return of the tower regarding embezzlers and bribe takers. Corruptionist - a malicious wrecker in peace and a potential suppressor in wartime
          1. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 35
            +11
            under Putin this will definitely not happen:

            Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the investigation has no complaints against former defense minister Anatoly Serdyukov, which means he can get any job.
            "Neither the investigation, nor the court, especially, no claims against Serdyukov personally have been made. This is a general civilizational practice - a person is considered innocent until the court determines his guilt," Putin stated.

            "Regarding the fact that he works in some capacity, as, for example, an advisor at Rostekhnologii, she is incorrect. He does not work anywhere yet. But if he wants to find a job somewhere and will be hired, I don’t think that we must hinder. A person has the right to work. We are not 37 years old, "the head of state said.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 23 June 2016 20: 05
              -4
              Trying to troll? Nude Nude.

              Many of you were already
      4. lelikas
        lelikas 23 June 2016 17: 21
        +8
        They are already, almost all with the former prefix.
      5. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 32
        +2
        and you won’t see. They will let everyone down on the brakes like Vasilyeva and Serdyukov
    3. nils
      nils 23 June 2016 17: 04
      +32
      The fight against corruption reaches its climax!

      Dod and Finkel committed theft of RusHydro's property on an especially large scale. In particular, Dod awarded himself a special bonus of 353,21 million rubles, overestimating the amount of the bonus by 73,2 million rubles.
      Those. The correct bonus is 280 million rubles!
      Dod, Finkel, Friedman, Koch, Vekselberg, Mikhelson, Deripaska, Abramovich, Aven, Tolokonsky, etc.
      Never before have Russian people lived so well! Thanks to Vladimir Vladimirovich!
      The main thing is in no case to revise the results of privatization and not to introduce a progressive tax scale. Russia is rising from its knees! Liberal - oligarchic system rules! Obama is terrified! Hooray!
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 23 June 2016 17: 15
        +8
        Quote: nils
        Never before have Russian people lived so well! Thanks to Vladimir Vladimirovich!
        The main thing is in no case to revise the results of privatization and not to introduce a progressive tax scale. Russia is rising from its knees! Liberal - oligarchic system rules! Obama is terrified! Hooray!

        Murderous irony. That's just the word "liberal" I would put in quotation marks. Our system has nothing to do with classical liberalism. This is one of the false terms that it uses as a cover.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 23 June 2016 17: 53
          +5
          Quote: Odyssey
          Our system has no relation to classical liberalism.
          And what is classical liberalism? If roughly, then the prevalence of the needs of the individual over the public interest. I see no contradiction - citizens "oligarchs, oligarchs and other oligarchs" (c) care about their personal well-being at the expense of the state.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 23 June 2016 19: 07
            +1
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            And what is classical liberalism?

            Of course there is. Capitalism as a socio-economic formation had many stages and many different ideologies corresponding to them.
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            If it’s rude, then the prevalence of the needs of an individual individual over public interests

            This is too general. In short: liberalism proceeds from the inviolability of an individual’s personal rights that are not connected by any general bonds with other individuals and accordingly do not have social rights. But his relationship with other people is regulated by a social contract (laws) and the state monitors the correct implementation of these laws.
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            I see no contradiction - citizens "oligarchs, oligarchs and other oligarchs" (c) care about their personal well-being at the expense of the state.

            This is just not liberalism. For a liberal, property is sacred, and any theft (including that of the state) is a serious crime.
            PS Personally, I am opposed to capitalism as such, including liberalism. But what we have is not liberalism.
      2. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig 23 June 2016 17: 16
        +2
        Quote: nils
        Those. The correct bonus is 280 million rubles!
        Dod, Finkel, Friedman, Koch, Vekselberg, Mikhelson, Deripaska, Abramovich, Aven, Tolokonsky, etc.
        Never before have Russian people lived so well! Thanks to Vladimir Vladimirovich!

        I respect Putin as president, but I just can’t understand why this bl ... doesn’t end? Do we need to go out with a pitchfork? After all, everyone knows that the Russian rebellion is terrible and merciless !! A Russian man, if he starts to do something, then to the end .
        1. dauria
          dauria 23 June 2016 18: 08
          +9
          I respect Putin as president, but I just can’t understand why this is bl..won't end?


          I just can't understand how you can respect if "this bl..won't end" laughing
          1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
            The Little Humpbacked Horse 23 June 2016 18: 11
            +10
            Quote: dauria
            I just can't understand how you can respect if "this bl..vo does not end


            Well, everything is simple

            The president and the government are United Russia.
            State Duma - “United Russia”.
            Governor, City Hall - "United Russia".
            And the State Department, the liberals, and the city of ee are to blame for the mess ...
            1. Altona
              Altona 23 June 2016 18: 54
              +6
              Quote: Humpbacked Horse
              The president and the government are United Russia.
              State Duma - “United Russia”.
              Governor, City Hall - "United Russia".

              -----------------
              Well, I'm writing about this in the next branch. That United Russia should be deprived of at least a technical majority in the Duma, so that it cannot stamp anti-popular laws. In a democratic way, at least to deprive the current government of the monopoly on everything, that is, come and vote. Exercise your legal constitutional rights. And then with such a policy, the authorities just jump to the Maidan. Perestroika 5 years was enough to dismantle socialism. The authorities should remember this, take their heads out of the money bag and look around.
          2. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 37
            +2
            along with Putin. When I'll come back. See you later!
        2. Joe stalin
          Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 44
          +3
          because the fish rots from the head:
        3. Roman 11
          Roman 11 23 June 2016 21: 41
          0
          Quote: demchuk.ig
          I respect Putin as president, but I just can’t understand why this bl ... doesn’t end?

          In our country,% 90, and 80 certainly do not understand this.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 June 2016 22: 38
            0
            Because power is always a compromise. Yes, under Stalin there was order, and there were no untouchables, but there is one thing but - after his death, the collapse began. At first, the system still worked by inertia, but Gorbachev was not a cause, but a consequence of what was happening.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 24 June 2016 14: 13
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              Because power is always a compromise. Yes, under Stalin there was order, and there were no untouchables, but there is one thing but - after his death, the collapse began. At first, the system still worked by inertia, but Gorbachev was not a cause, but a consequence of what was happening.

              Unfortunately, your comment is unlikely to be noticed.

              And YOU are right at all 120%, oddly enough request
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 24 June 2016 16: 42
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                surprisingly

                Nothing strange. It's just that humanity consists of ordinary people with their own merits and demerits, so there will always be, let's say, "imperfect solutions". This is not very good, but this is life and it always has been and always will be.
      3. Gray brother
        Gray brother 23 June 2016 18: 42
        +4
        Quote: nils
        Dod, Finkel, Friedman, Koch, Vekselberg, Mikhelson, Deripaska, Abramovich, Aven, Tolokonsky, etc.

        At least half of the above people were already on the Forbes list when there was no Vladimir Vladimirovich in the plan yet, they all lived well before him.
        I know that the top 10 richest people in the Russian Federation give 10% of the country's GDP, the top 100 - 26%. These are huge numbers.
        And it was not Putin who created the system, but these oligarchs, who supposedly are not there. There is none of them ( smile ), and there is an influence on officials and the state apparatus, and this is a huge problem about which the government is silent in a rag.
        Hence, the extraordinary Serdyukovs and Vasilyevs appear.
        Blaming Putin is stupid, Putin will leave, but this tribe will remain.
        The main thing is in no case to revise the results of privatization and not to introduce a progressive tax scale. Russia rises from its knees! The liberal - oligarchic system rules!

        26% of GDP is a serious tool against such measures. It seems to me that serious graters happened and this Caudla would remove Putin rather than Putin remove them.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 00: 14
          +3
          Quote: Gray Brother
          I know that the top 10 richest people in the Russian Federation give 10% of the country's GDP, the top 100 - 26%. These are huge numbers.

          Damn such a power in which a third of GDP is formed due to the top 100 Forbes, and not due to mechanical engineering, aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, high technology, etc.
          Quote: Gray Brother
          It seems to me that serious graters happened and this Caudla would remove Putin rather than Putin remove them.

          According to you it comes out: "And the king is naked!"
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 24 June 2016 08: 20
            0
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            and not at the expense of engineering, aircraft, shipbuilding, high technology, etc.

            These industries do not give quick money, so they (the industries) are mostly lucky and now they are part of state corporations.
            It is due to the development of these areas that oligarchy can be moved; for this, neither repression nor revolution will be needed, but only economic development is needed and when 26% of them (based, incidentally, on the banking sector, energy and the mining and processing industries) turn into 2,6%, then they will lose their influence.
            Only in this way and nothing else.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 11: 02
              0
              Quote: Gray Brother
              It is due to the development of these areas that oligarchy can be moved; for this, neither repression nor revolution will be needed, but only economic development is needed and when 26% of them (based, incidentally, on the banking sector, energy and the mining and processing industries) turn into 2,6%, then they will lose their influence.

              Nonsense again! Where did you see the capitalist who won’t even commit a crime for the sake of 300% profit?
              And who told you that the country's economy will be rebuilt from speculative raw materials to industrial?
              Now there are not only development trends, but even a hint of them in fact.
              Quote: Gray Brother
              What would you do?

              I see only one path - this is a transition to the socialist path of development.

              And as pmsAl once upon a time our colleague: "
              "You can consider my post as an advertisement for the socialist revolution!"
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 24 June 2016 12: 13
                0
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                "You can consider my post as an advertisement for the socialist revolution!"

                Well, let's say you take everything from the oligarchy. And then what? Now there is one Khodorkovsky, and there will be one hundred and one. In response, the West will impose sanctions like wolves, and what will you do with the selected non-working business? For a second, a non-working business = a loss-making business, there will come a collapse of the economy and a general _opa with the prerequisites for the final collapse of the country.
                No, thanks, I don’t like much in the current state of things, either, but I don’t want a revolution and prefer to choose the lesser of two evils.
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 25 June 2016 13: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  Well, let's say you take everything from the oligarchy. And then what?

                  There is 70 years of experience building another society.
                  I have no desire to discuss the reasons for its liquidation; I have already chewed and chewed a hundred times.
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  For a second, a non-working business = a loss-making business, there will come a collapse of the economy and a general _ope with the prerequisites for the final collapse of the country.

                  This is precisely the current model of the Russian economy that leads to the collapse of the country.
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  The West will in response impose sanctions like wolves, and what will you do with the selected non-working business?

                  Another nonsense! The USSR lived all its existence under sanctions. In addition, Russia is a self-sufficient country, and the fact that trade with the West does not go anywhere, the capitalists need markets and they spit on any sanctions if they smell the profit.
                  Or do you really think that there are some real sanctions against the Russian Federation? Screaming about sanctions is a zombie-nonsense for "cotton wool", the ability to write off their inability to manage on mythical enemies.
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  What would you do?

                  CM. higher.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 25 June 2016 14: 38
                    0
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    There is 70 years of experience building another society.
                    I have no desire to discuss the reasons for its liquidation; I have already chewed and chewed a hundred times.

                    There is only one reason - they thought that a new society would create a new humanity, but it turned out that humanity must first appear, which will live in this society, and only then it can be built.
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Screaming about sanctions is a zombie-nonsense for "cotton wool", the ability to write off their inability to manage on mythical enemies.
                    Goebbels invented the US missile defense at our borders? Examples of how sanctions are violated will be the same?
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    The USSR lived all its existence under sanctions. In addition, Russia is a self-sufficient country
                    That gave the United States a great opportunity to consolidate all of Europe against us and not only. Self-isolation is a way to a dead end, and the notorious iron curtain was created not by Stalin, but by the United States.
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 24 June 2016 14: 16
              0
              Quote: Gray Brother
              These industries do not give quick money, so they (the industries) are mostly lucky and now they are part of state corporations.

              Good advice: throw Asya PHANTOMASYu in an emergency.

              To argue with him to no purpose, the guy stupidly trolls.

              I’ve been in the emergency situation for three months now, and I feel good and calm about it ... I don’t even see one before my eyes laughing
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 24 June 2016 08: 31
            +1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            According to you it comes out: "And the king is naked!"

            What would you do?
        2. sherp2015
          sherp2015 24 June 2016 00: 53
          +1
          Quote: Gray Brother

          At least half of the above people were already on the Forbes list when there was no Vladimir Vladimirovich in the plan yet, they all lived well before him.


          The question is not what the thieves were before him, but the question: why are they stealing now?
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 24 June 2016 08: 30
            0
            Quote: sherp2015
            The question is not what the thieves were before him, but the question: why are they stealing now?

            They stole always and everywhere, all over the world, even in the USSR under Stalin they stole and will continue to steal. People can’t be remade; this is a matter of the essence of humanity.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 10: 44
              +1
              Quote: Gray Brother
              They stole always and everywhere, all over the world, even in the USSR under Stalin they stole and will continue to steal. People can’t be remade; this is a matter of the essence of humanity.

              Dear, stop chasing your utter nonsense! amAnd remember for yourself that

              "THE LAW ORDER IN THE COUNTRY IS DEFINED NOT BY THE PRESENCE OF THIEVES, BUT BY THE ABILITY OF THE AUTHORITIES TO DISARM THEM."
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 24 June 2016 11: 56
                +1
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                AND THE ABILITY OF THE AUTHORITIES TO DISARM THEM. "

                In China, they shoot and still steal. In the USA, in the stronghold of democracy, congressmen will always support those who are ready to share a piece of the grant; in the Pentagon they steal on shares with contractors.
                Under Stalin, they knew how to neutralize? They were able to. And still there were those who wanted it.
                Homo sovieticus, in the theory of the nonbeliever, could not be grown and no one will succeed.
                “LEIDERMAN L.G., a representative of the Rostov Trust, on a criminal conspiracy with Isaev and other employees of the Central Base and the Supply Department of“ Rosglavkhleb ”received for enterprises of the baking industry of different products worth 123,7 thousand rubles, but in the mountains. Rostov did not deliver them. He (by agreement with the chief accountant of the supply department of Glavka Rosenbaum) transferred cash from the Moscow State Labor Bank Savings Bank for some of the stolen products. Part of the goods were written off for individual bakeries for production as allegedly spent on the manufacture of bakery products.

                AE Frolov, working as a manager of the Arkhangelsk Bakery Industry Trust, in 1945 – 46. I received food products worth 86 928 rubles from the Rosglavkhleb base, of which I failed to deliver them to 66 569 rubles and stole them.

                In a similar way, foodstuffs obtained and stole:

                representatives of the Tatarsky bread-baking trust forwarder Kurochkin-Savoderov FN and Tsanin Y.T. - in the amount of 183 thousand rubles (of which Kurochkin-Savoderov - on 136 thousand rubles);

                the chief engineer of Altai, and then the manager of the Bryansk trust "Rosglavkhleb" Dashkovsky M.I. - in the amount of 10 600 rubles;

                freight forwarder of the Buzuluk bakery of the Orenburg region Spe-
                vak S.M. - in the amount of 94 thousand rubles, etc.

                Furthermore the investigation in the case established that Isaev M.I. by order of the USSR Ministry of Food Industry No. 104 from 18.03.46, he received vehicles from the Moscow Pecheniye 30 trust to be sent to a number of trusts of the Russian Federation. According to the criminal agreement with the manager of the transport office of the Moscow trust Melamed G.Ya. for sending cars to trusts they received bribes from their representatives at the rate of 7 thousand rubles per car. In total, they received about 200 thousand rubles. For example, the same Leiderman for 10 vehicles gave Melamed a bribe of 70 thousand rubles. Documented, Leiderman reported that he allegedly spent this amount on car repairs, which he carried out at Moscow enterprises in private. Bogus documents for a fee were forwarded to him by the forwarder of the Rosgalkhleb Central Base Rabinovich I.Z. For vacation cars Buzuluksky bakery with his representative Spevaka Isaev received 60 kg of saccharin, which he had to deliver to his bakery. As a result, in order to hide the shortage, the saccharin stolen in this way was written off into production ...

                A part of the illegally obtained money was spent on a loose lifestyle, in particular, on drinking in restaurants and on reveling with women of easy virtue. Another part was spent on the purchase of jewelry and household items. A bearer savings book worth 100 thousand rubles was seized from Isaev and an expensive summer cottage was described in the Moscow Region, where a whole warehouse of foodstuffs was found and seized, including sacks of sugar and flour, a large amount of canned meat and milk. bottles of expensive wines, vodka and sausages for tens of thousands of rubles, and so on.

                https://topwar.ru/16443-kak-brali-vzyatki-pri-staline-iz-istorii-borby-s-korrupc
                iey-v-rossii.html
      4. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 01: 12
        +1
        Quote: nils
        , Dod accrued to himself a special bonus in the amount of 353,21 million rubles, overstating the size of the premium by 73,2 million rubles.
        Those. The correct bonus is 280 million rubles!

        Is there such another country on the planet in which MONEY FOR OPERATIONS FOR SICK CHILDREN COLLECTES WORLDWIDE,
        and some .... (lice larvae) receive an official bonus of 280 cartoons, and even steal a third?
        Do we have at least one industry in our country, at least some direction where they do not steal?
        on fig me, my family, my children is a state-in? am
        One can only hope for an increase in the self-awareness of the population for the 100th anniversary. Or note, as it should, or ...
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 24 June 2016 09: 08
          -2
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          on fig me, my family, my children is a state-in?

          Move to another. Just don’t be surprised if you see the same thing there.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 10: 41
            +1
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Move to another.

            I would like our government to move to another state, or rather to the forefathers.
            And I will live on the land of my ancestors.
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Just don’t be surprised if you see the same thing there.

            Already tired of this your unreasonable kvass patriotism and zombie-delirium that steal everywhere, so bear with it.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 24 June 2016 12: 15
              0
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              And I will live on the land of my ancestors.

              What will this principality be called?
    4. Sharapov
      Sharapov 23 June 2016 17: 08
      +19
      Without justifying this director, I’ll just say that the system itself contributes to theft.
      For all state. Contracts registered an advance payment of 30%. 70% - calculated. Imagine a large contract was signed, for example, in November, prepayment was paid. The deadline for the development of money in the year is December 27th - that’s all - the Treasury does not miss the money further, transferring it back to the budget. So you have to sign acts (NOT) of work performed only for the purpose of transferring money to the contractor. Without these acts, payment will not work.
      And if the "leftist" performer then obscured the work - a formal reason for initiating a criminal case.
      Take into account the fact that state. financing, as a rule, is uneven - in the 4th quarter it is 50% of the estimate.
      1. Oznob
        Oznob 23 June 2016 17: 28
        +2
        For these reasons, I suppose the undercover movement is not weak is the real cause of the investigation. Although xs, maybe there is really not enough money, they minimize losses.
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 25 June 2016 00: 38
        0
        Quote: Sharapov
        For all state. Contracts registered an advance payment of 30%. 70% - calculated

        What? Where is this?

        Link to the document ... if you can
    5. Verdun
      Verdun 23 June 2016 17: 09
      +5
      Quote: tatarin_ru
      We have always been tyril at all times. The main thing is that the ships are built and repaired normally, a low bow to the entire work collective.

      You cannot endlessly carry water with a holey sieve and at the same time complain that it is not enough. And if thieves are not called to account, they are impudent and more than a dozen bars at times.
      1. tatarin_ru
        tatarin_ru 24 June 2016 01: 22
        0
        Quote: Verdun
        Verdun Yesterday, 17:09 ↑
        Quote: tatarin_ru
        We have always been tyril at all times. The main thing is that the ships are built and repaired normally, a low bow to the entire work collective.
        You cannot endlessly carry water with a holey sieve and at the same time complain that it is not enough. And if thieves are not called to account, they are impudent and more than a dozen bars at times.


        You can steal and do
        You can steal and not do
        Depends on the "stars" team and specialists (their availability)
        And of course, the size of corruption.
        I do not believe, unfortunately, that in our time when allocating a large budget, nothing will be stolen, this will be nonsense. I'm realist. But the adversary of this is just like you.
    6. forester
      forester 23 June 2016 17: 50
      +5
      Quote: tatarin_ru
      We have always been tyril at all times.

      Is it possible in this situation to build and repair normally? - No you can not!!! But greasy candles in the sides instead of rivets are possible - I exaggerate of course - but there was such a shameful fact in our history And if they seriously buy cheap Chinese electronic junk to invest in the estimate and some bastard major will have a new "Bentley" or "Ferrari" or appeared
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 23 June 2016 18: 09
        +2
        Quote: forester
        and some bastard major has a new "Bentley" or "Ferrari" or has appeared

        You do not confuse! Bentley and Ferrari are in the ground forces. And in the navy - yachts!))
      2. tatarin_ru
        tatarin_ru 24 June 2016 01: 16
        0
        logger (1) RU

        And is it possible in this situation to build and repair normally? - No you can not!!!

        I didn’t write about that. I agree with you in part, it all infuriates me, but I read the story (about the Romanovs, from beginning to end). So, embezzlement reached 30-70%, 70% represent from the state. treasury, but with some Romanovs, the population increased three times, incomes of the population 5 times, and with some it decreased two times and taxes increased by 40-60%. At the same time, they stole there and there.
        those. corruption is bad and it is necessary to fight it, but it is not a panacea, and not the cause of all ills.
        History - stubborn things hi
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 23 June 2016 21: 31
      +1
      The Russians are not sickly doughs, otherwise, in the morning, noise, dust, everything about the torpedoes "corrals" of m. they saw so much on the repair of ships, how much will they cut down on the "corrals"?
  2. Primipilus
    Primipilus 23 June 2016 16: 55
    +2
    When will they get drunk?
    1. nils
      nils 23 June 2016 17: 06
      +16
      Quote: Primipilus
      When will they get drunk?


      Russia is a rich country!
      Aborigines from the local indigenous population are slightly interfering. In general everything is good.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 23 June 2016 17: 12
      +10
      Quote: Primipilus
      When will they get drunk?

      Never! Stealing will cease when there is a complete confiscation of property from all close relatives + 10-fold penalties with serving in a debt prison not on time, but until you pay for everything stolen.
      1. your1970
        your1970 23 June 2016 18: 04
        +5
        Everyone beloved and praised for executions of thief-officials in China:
        "Over the past 12 years, 13 (!) Officials have been shot in China on charges of bribery, including the mayor of Suzhou and the deputy mayor of Beijing, the vice speaker of parliament, dozens of ministers and governors. And last year, 000 employees of the Chinese state apparatus were arrested by Altogether, since the beginning of the reforms (160 years ago) ... a MILLION officials have thundered into prison. "
        Translated into Russian, more than 10 people were arrested per month = more than 000 people a day ... Does it help?
        If at arrest 300 (THREE COTS !!!) people per day- officials continue to grasp knowing that tomorrow they will already be among those 300 - this means it is ineradicable.Shooting DAILY -3 (THREE THREE !!!!!) confirms my formula.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 23 June 2016 18: 35
          +3
          For his 1970.
          I transferred your data to the arrested 160 Chinese officials to Russia. It turned out (if correctly calculated as a percentage) 000 175 ...
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 23 June 2016 19: 01
            +1
            I hurried a little and counted by population. By the number of officials in the percentage terms, approximately 0.015625 percent, there will be 937 executions.
        2. Verdun
          Verdun 23 June 2016 19: 31
          +3
          Quote: your1970
          "Over the past 12 years, 13 (!) Have been shot in China on charges of bribery .... Does it help?

          Apparently it helps. 13000 is approximately one thousandth of the population of the Middle Kingdom. And a million is one tenth of a percent in 30 years. If theft "flourished" in this ratio in our country, we would live in full chocolate. laughing
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 June 2016 22: 42
            0
            Quote: Verdun
            13000 - this is approximately one thousandth of a percent of the population of China

            It’s only those who were shot, but not all.
        3. dauria
          dauria 23 June 2016 21: 02
          +3
          Translated into Russian, more than 10 people were arrested per month = more than 000 people a day ... Does it help?


          Advise your cat to not bite fleas - anyway, tomorrow there will be new ones ... laughing
        4. Slavin
          Slavin 23 June 2016 21: 50
          0
          It probably helps, they begin to live normally, the salary is higher than in Russia
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 23 June 2016 18: 09
        0
        Nope, in China, you’ll even have to earn money to shoot yourself / pay through relatives, confiscations, etc., but still the leaders in corruption and theft.
        1. dauria
          dauria 23 June 2016 21: 06
          +2
          but still leaders in corruption and theft.


          They are leaders in those caught and uncovered ... What is bad? If no one is imprisoned, this does not mean that they do not steal .. wink
    3. Verdun
      Verdun 23 June 2016 17: 42
      +2
      Quote: Primipilus
      When will they get drunk?

      While everyone else agrees and there are no serious objections, they will eat without a break.
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 23 June 2016 20: 50
        +1
        Rosoboronexport is the same gang-watering can also harm the defense of the Russian Federation, only manage to do it, supposedly with concern for the budget, about Russia, finally. But the essence is the filling of someone’s pockets with the broad support of the applauding couch army. Aerobatics theft of funds!
    4. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 00: 07
      +1
      Quote: Primipilus
      When will they get drunk?

      Never!
      Either we destroy them, or they destroy us and Russia.
  3. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 23 June 2016 16: 59
    +3
    Actually, they are not original, in the 90s the former and current admiral-generals ("cooperative" "Compass"), stole and betrayed with greater efficiency! And nobody sits on a bunk !!! (even a stoolkin could envy!)
    PS. however, all secret, lowering to plant, betray! O_o
    1. nils
      nils 23 June 2016 17: 11
      +5
      Quote: Cosmonaut
      Actually, they are not original, ... the "Compass" cooperative, stole and betrayed with greater efficiency! And nobody sits on a bunk !!!


      How do you like the Cooperative "Lake"? And nobody sits on a bunk !!!
  4. Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 23 June 2016 17: 00
    .
    After 30 years, they will write in the textbooks of World History:

    "Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (1952 -?)

    politician of Russia in the era of Vasilyeva - Serdyukov "
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 23 June 2016 17: 05
      +3
      Rejoice eccentric! They won’t write anything about you)))
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 39
        +6
        "The tsar is good, the boyars are bad"?
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 00: 04
        +2
        Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
        Rejoice eccentric! They won’t write anything about you)))

        About you too))))
      3. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 24 June 2016 01: 08
        0
        How do you know my ways?

        THE WAYS OF THE LORD, by which he leads a man through the land of the living, are UNKNOWN.
  5. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 23 June 2016 17: 02
    +2
    Consider in accordance with applicable law and .... On the count
  6. Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 23 June 2016 17: 03
    +12
    reading such articles, you begin to hate sharply all this 25-year-old liberal era of crap democracy and you understand HOW we all in Russia lack the Blessed Ages Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin !!!
    1. Oznob
      Oznob 23 June 2016 17: 13
      +2
      A cho 25? Stalin I.V. how he died a little earlier.
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 05
        +3
        since 1991 thieves in Russia have been free
    2. berezin1987
      berezin1987 23 June 2016 17: 18
      +4
      I fully support. Liberasts are the first enemies of the Russian people and state. They hate us worse than the West. Western-style democracy in Russia is unacceptable and brings only misfortunes to the people and colossal damage to the country in all directions.
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 23 June 2016 21: 58
        +1
        Quote: berezin1987
        Liberasty

        Yes, there is no such word - this word was replaced by the word thief, in an advanced manner ..... they are very smart
    3. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 23 June 2016 17: 37
      -8
      Quote: Joe Stalin
      you start to hate sharply all this 25 - year liberal era of shit democracy


      If you hate and suffer so much, then you can move to live in North Korea, closer to your ideals, and gain prosperity in your life, so to speak
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 23 June 2016 17: 47
        +1
        Since you hate and suffer so much, you may move to North Korea, closer to your ideals, and gain prosperity in your life, so to speak,
        Do you repair ships too?
        1. Joe stalin
          Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 09
          +5
          it is necessary to return the STALIN ORDER!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soBHbC0U_6w

          WE DO NOT NEED LIBERAL PUTIN - WE NEED STALIN 2.0!

      2. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 07
        +4
        it is necessary not to move, but to return the socialist system and Soviet power (with the recognition of private property) and be sure to introduce the DEATH PENALTY with confiscation of property for bribes and embezzlement, causing damage to the state in the amount of more than 30 thousand rubles as in China - and the order will be in the country.

        Only V. Putin will never agree to this, for he is played by his liberal retinue
        1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
          The Little Humpbacked Horse 23 June 2016 18: 15
          -6
          Quote: Joe Stalin
          it is necessary not to move, but to return the socialist system and Soviet power


          So, as if except you, no one wants to live in North Korea
          1. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 28
            +6
            Can we conduct an honest survey of citizens of the Russian Federation?
            Do they want the return of a nationwide socialist system with a guaranteed right to work, free education by Soviet standards, the death penalty with confiscation for bribes and embezzlement?
            1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
              The Little Humpbacked Horse 23 June 2016 18: 40
              -4
              Quote: Joe Stalin
              Can we conduct an honest survey of citizens of the Russian Federation?


              Who agrees to starve, work for a bowl of rice, and have the president a fat little baby in his right mind, if only retired pensioners
          2. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 40
            +7
            do you think everyone wants to live in a beggarly despised by the whole world, thieves dump, where all the president’s mediocre environment is only on raw materials and sits, with a shameful education and medicine?
            1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
              The Little Humpbacked Horse 23 June 2016 19: 00
              -4
              Quote: Joe Stalin
              in your opinion everyone wants to live in a beggar despised by the whole world, a thieves dump,


              I think that if you are faced with a choice, North Korea-Russia, then there will be no one who wants to live in North Korea
              1. Joe stalin
                Joe stalin 23 June 2016 22: 28
                +3
                And if you raise the question of choosing between the current liberal American colony of thieves and crooks and a socialist industrialized power built on Stalinist principles?
                1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
                  The Little Humpbacked Horse 23 June 2016 23: 49
                  -2
                  Quote: Joe Stalin
                  And if you ask a question about the choice


                  I recently heard such a thesis. Like, it’s better to march in line, as in North Korea, than to watch a bearded woman on TV.
                  These people do not understand the fundamental difference between the Great Leader and the bearded woman. You can turn off a bearded woman at any time. And the Great Leader can turn you off at any moment.
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 00: 01
                    +3
                    Quote: Humpbacked Horse
                    You can turn off a bearded woman at any time. And the Great Leader can turn you off at any moment.

                    If all the achievements of the Putin regime are reduced to the ability to turn off the zombie, then I’m definitely for the Great Leader and completely against the thieving dwarfs!
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 23 June 2016 23: 54
              +2
              Quote: Joe Stalin
              do you think everyone wants to live in a beggarly despised by the whole world, thieves dump, where all the president’s mediocre environment is only on raw materials and sits, with a shameful education and medicine?

              I will fully support you! +100500
          3. sherp2015
            sherp2015 24 June 2016 01: 09
            +2
            Quote: Humpbacked Horse
            So, as if except you, no one wants to live in North Korea


            And what are you still not in the USA or Israel?
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 00: 03
          +1
          Quote: Joe Stalin
          , for he is played by his liberal retinue

          You want to say that the tail wags the cat? belay
          1. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 24 June 2016 01: 11
            0
            Is this not obvious to any intelligent person?
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 01: 17
              0
              Quote: Joe Stalin
              Is this not obvious to any intelligent person?

              I believe that for any intelligent person it is obvious that the hydra in question is a single whole, from head to tail, performing a single task, which is also known to any sane person wink
              1. Joe stalin
                Joe stalin 24 June 2016 09: 54
                +2
                Putin - PART of all this liberal thieves' system of oligarchy, which has developed in the Russian Federation over the past 25 years since the time when he did dark things on the property committee in the Sobchak City Hall. He is a co-author of gangster Petersburg, sung by domestic cinema and therefore expecting a real fight against corruption from him is like waiting for the bees to come out against honey.

                He just needs to leave. With the honor of retirement.
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 24 June 2016 10: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Joe Stalin
                  Joe stalin

                  You wrote it right.
                  I agree!
        3. forester
          forester 24 June 2016 04: 59
          +3
          Quote: Joe Stalin
          as in China

          As it is unreasonable in the PRC - one can shoot there at least once a week - it will not disappear, but it’s more advisable for us to re-educate by striking labor at the construction sites of the national economy for the good of the Motherland (for life) with confiscation of property including from all relatives
      3. sherp2015
        sherp2015 24 June 2016 01: 00
        +3
        Quote: Humpbacked Horse
        If you hate and suffer so much, then you can move to live in North Korea, closer to your ideals, and gain prosperity in your life, so to speak


        And why don't you grab the liberal liberals yourself out of our country?
  7. Verdun
    Verdun 23 June 2016 17: 05
    0
    Revealed multi-million embezzlement funds in the repair of ships of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Federation
    Who would doubt that?! Here are just whether the results of these "reveals". and if so, which ones? Again, someone will paint and sing about slippers, and someone will be transferred to another position?
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 18
      +5
      Of course there will be - awards!

      “As stated in the text of the decree of the head of state, Chubais was awarded“ for his great contribution to the implementation of state policy in the field of nanotechnology and many years of conscientious work. ”


      Order "For Merit to the Fatherland", IV degree ... IN THE THEFT

      STEALING AT PUTIN - HONORARY!
  8. Pitot
    Pitot 23 June 2016 17: 08
    +5
    Nits, as they zadolbali, miscarriages of the 1990s gangsters. Yes, you need to shoot, otherwise they will multiply like fleas on a dog.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 23 June 2016 17: 53
      +8
      Fake article. The director of SPTB "Zvyozdochka" is not the director of JSC "Zvyozdochka."
      Nevertheless, SPTB "Zvezdochka" continues to work. Well, it was necessary to plant someone.
      And the amounts prescribed in the article are overstated.
      just in the subject.
  9. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 23 June 2016 17: 09
    +5
    All snickering at the fingernail! The Medvedev government shakes the last money out of the people (not from the aligarchs), and these guzzle three throats! I'll see how many minusculers catch up!
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 19
      +4
      and who appointed this government and who holds all these thieves - liberals in power?
  10. Khabarov
    Khabarov 23 June 2016 17: 10
    +2
    Something such news has ceased to interest. Everything is known in advance - revealed, arrested, tried, released.
  11. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 June 2016 17: 12
    0
    The eternal Russian problem: brain cancer at the sight of money.
    1. Oznob
      Oznob 23 June 2016 17: 14
      0
      I would not so narrow the prevalence of "brain cancer at the sight of money" on planet Earth. Yes.
  12. AlexTires
    AlexTires 23 June 2016 17: 15
    +2
    yeah, in fact ... now look for this money and fistula, and the thief got conditional terms after serving time under house arrest with days off on the warm shores, as always, will evade responsibility ... I'm afraid that not an external enemy will destroy our country, but such an attitude to yourself
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 25 June 2016 00: 59
      0
      Quote: AlexTires
      I’m afraid that it’s not an external enemy who will destroy our country, but such an attitude towards myself

      the external enemy is a bluff of the authorities. Their teacher Goebbels said, "Slip enemies into the people and it will be very easy to control it"
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 25 June 2016 06: 41
        0
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        external enemy is a bluff of the authorities

        Goebbels invented the US missile defense at our borders?
  13. atamankko
    atamankko 23 June 2016 17: 15
    +2
    And then their kids, "golden youth" will steer.
  14. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 23 June 2016 17: 17
    +2
    At the moment, criminal cases related to unlawful acts revealed during the repair of submarines and ships of the Northern Fleet have been initiated, investigated and considered in the courts over 15.
    You are amazed. Do not really last x .. eat up salt without salt. Salary do not compare mine. But I somehow live and I must say the refrigerator is not empty. And they turn out to steal from Us. Not only that, I also lower the country's defenses. It’s all that impunity. They will plant units, and thousands will steal. Tighter necessary, then they will think. To take or not to take. You can’t take everything with you. And they think that they will live forever. Eh flawed.
  15. Arkan
    Arkan 23 June 2016 17: 19
    +1
    Kaznokradam- fresh air and the beautiful Kolymaaaaaaa ...... An ideal place for weeding forests then felling.
  16. sa-ag
    sa-ag 23 June 2016 17: 19
    +5
    100 million, it will not be enough for the accused in the cosmodrome case of embezzlement of 1 billion to be released in the courtroom, he is innocent :-) And for a hundred million he will be sentenced for unprofessionalism :-)
  17. 31R-US
    31R-US 23 June 2016 17: 20
    +2
    at one time to repair the cruiser "Peter the Great". The then director of the plant signed an act of execution of works that were not actually performed.
    But the cruiser could have sank, people would have died, and the lamb put money in his pocket -8,5 years a ridiculous period.
  18. Valter1364
    Valter1364 23 June 2016 17: 20
    0
    Old story, fools built roads! smile
  19. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 23 June 2016 17: 21
    +7
    There is nothing surprising in this. Impunity always breeds irresponsibility, and fish always rots from the head.
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 21
      +3
      our head in Russia has long rotted
  20. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 23 June 2016 17: 22
    +16
    tie to the anchor and to the bottom. !!
  21. Yugra
    Yugra 23 June 2016 17: 24
    0
    Plant thief mercilessly. Plant without regrets!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 June 2016 18: 19
      +1
      Someday they would reach Rusnano with a red-headed macro-financier, and it would be nice to overtake all the plant managers — across Russia — in criminal cases worth trillions of rubles.
  22. BOB044
    BOB044 23 June 2016 17: 24
    -1
    Quote: Joe Stalin
    After 30 years, they will write in the textbooks of World History:

    "Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (1952 -?)

    politician of Russia in the era of Vasilyeva - Serdyukov "

    He will be remembered in our country and by more than one person. They will remember on equal terms with Peter the Great. And your relatives can only be questioned. hi
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 23 June 2016 17: 31
      +3
      Quote: BOB044
      They will remember on equal terms with Peter the Great.

      Peter the Great developed industry, understood its importance, supported education, science, no one will remember exactly in criminal cases of robbers, in reverence for Hitler's allies, because of “we will stand behind them,” “I don’t surrender mine,” “America - a great power, today, probably, the only superpower. We accept this ... ", according to" ... No nation should live an endlessly heroic past. We need to move forward. This opinion was expressed by Russian President Vladimir Putin The meeting was broadcast by the Russia 24 TV channel.
      "This is harmful and dangerous for the future of the nation, - Putin is convinced ...." and on various other episodes
    2. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 22
      +3
      But is there anything to remember besides limitless theft and Crimea?

      maybe the economic power of a country comparable to the Stalinist USSR?
  23. Ivan65
    Ivan65 23 June 2016 17: 26
    +1
    It happens in different ways - the dude won the tender, money for profits was barely possible, equipment for the euro, and here, as luck would have it, the euro doubled up, and the customer didn’t care, the contract was signed - all your risks. And there are a lot of such eagles, who went broke and hid, who inhales, who tries to explain to the customer and he goes to meet and closes other work. A bunch of options. It happens that everything was done according to the project and the ship does not sail and does not even go, the designers went bankrupt, that department was closed, and the Ministry of Defense screams, in the fall so that it’s about. Craftsmen and old peppers say what needs to be done for little money, but this money needs to be capitalized .... sculpt the acts. We need to create a transparent, simple and clear accounting system.
  24. BOB044
    BOB044 23 June 2016 17: 39
    +2
    For undermining the country's combat effectiveness. Judge as enemies of the people, the terms in full.
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 23 June 2016 18: 07
      0
      Significantly shoot at the stadium
    2. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 24
      +2
      just not under Putin: "we are not in 1937"
  25. fzr1000
    fzr1000 23 June 2016 17: 52
    0
    What day is it today? Poland was not surprised by its gas Wishlist, theft during ship repair, too. It's a pity.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 June 2016 18: 19
      +2
      This is not about Syria there is no news. Blacks were already at 30km from Itria yesterday-the day before yesterday (judging by their photos from today's report - where there are road signs) - the Syrian army was thrown back more than 100km from Raqqa.

      Riding on the highway in technicals, they are not afraid of anyone.

      Total they took a picture:
      T-62 - alive.
      T-55 with DZ - killed.
      T-55 / 62 is unclear - torn to pieces on the highway.
      BMP-1 - 2 pieces are trophy.
      BMP XU-23 - destroyed
      Grad and 23 rockets in guides - trophy.
      Several Zilkov - taken and loaded with trophies (2 ATGM, night Metis, riflemen, tandem shots to the RPGs, the RPGs themselves, several boxes, the rifleman).
      Several trucks destroyed.
      Armor KamAZ - burned.
      Ural Pokemon - shot.
      up to 10 technicals - destroyed or captured.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 June 2016 18: 37
        +1
        Of course they’re not afraid - the Syrian army has no attack helicopters.
  26. Haloperidol
    Haloperidol 23 June 2016 18: 02
    0
    It is necessary to punish, as it should, with confiscation of the property of the family, and not to threaten with a finger, then they will steal less.
  27. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 23 June 2016 18: 07
    0
    Quote: nils
    Quote: Cosmonaut
    Actually, they are not original, ... the "Compass" cooperative, stole and betrayed with greater efficiency! And nobody sits on a bunk !!!


    How do you like the Cooperative "Lake"? And nobody sits on a bunk !!!

    Links of one chain (gold)!
    shl. by the way. rumored to be demolished! Probably, so as not to "callous! belay
  28. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 June 2016 18: 12
    +1
    With such a turnover, such small amounts. And then according to the acts for the "outstanding" work! He didn't put them in his pocket. There was no word about the pocket. And to put this money in your pocket without a "special scheme" will not work. Therefore, it looks more like a covert struggle with "bases". As Stanislavsky said - "I don't believe"!
  29. moskowit
    moskowit 23 June 2016 18: 13
    0
    I suggest that all writers decide, by putting a punctuation mark in a well-known sentence:

    "Execution cannot be pardoned ..."
    And what do you think? Who will be more? I personally am sure that there will be more who put a comma after the first word!
  30. fa2998
    fa2998 23 June 2016 18: 22
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Well, war crimes (abuse) should be considered by the TRIBUNAL. I don’t understand what the problem is.

    You are so cool! To those who stole a lot of merciful justice from us! And their lawyers are strong, and they have something to "grease" the rusty judicial system! You will see either excess of your powers, or a banal fraud. And the fines are ridiculous. They are easy to get off!
    Literally every day I read in the comments, to increase funding for one thing or another! From ships to planes. Until steps are taken to fight corruption, all PUBLIC money flows like water in the sand. Here these courts are an excuse, it’s for printing and The media say that we are fighting! And they steal at all stages, from the government to the master of the workshop, each has its own scale. If something is really being built, but in small quantities, with delays, at an increased price. negative hi
  31. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 23 June 2016 18: 23
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    With such a turnover, such small amounts. And then according to the acts for the "outstanding" work! He didn't put them in his pocket. There was no word about the pocket. And to put this money in your pocket without a "special scheme" will not work. Therefore, it looks more like a covert struggle with "bases". As Stanislavsky said - "I don't believe"!

    If we talk about this article, then the variant of the undercover struggle is quite likely! Everyone wants to "felling"! wink "Saw" - don't build! fellow
  32. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 23 June 2016 18: 29
    0
    Quote: Haloperidol
    It is necessary to punish, as it should, with confiscation of the property of the family, and not to threaten with a finger, then they will steal less.

    Duma against !!! Impoverished! crying
  33. masiya
    masiya 23 June 2016 18: 32
    +1
    Here in the news flashed: "Archaeologists during excavations in Veliky Novgorod discovered on a birch bark letter a previously unknown ancient Russian curse word" posak. "Linguists believe that this word means" thief "or" swindler. "TASS reports this. for the first time in 60 years of archaeological work. It is noted that scientists were not immediately able to decipher it. " You can just use this curse in relation to our swindlers of state money, especially in the defense industry - "POSTS" such as the idea ...
  34. Cosmonaut
    Cosmonaut 23 June 2016 18: 34
    +1
    Actually, in my opinion, there is a redivision of the spheres of influence of certain groups, pay attention to personnel shifts !!!
  35. buywol
    buywol 23 June 2016 18: 37
    +1
    One another, as in China, was shot at by the people, those who wished to steal were reduced. The only inconvenience in this is to shoot all the officials, the guys of the firing squad will work without breaks and days off.
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 48
      +1
      50 thousand to shoot - and sharply corruption will decrease.
      Checked by I.V. Stalin
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 June 2016 19: 32
        0
        Quote: Joe Stalin
        50 thousand to shoot - and sharply corruption will decrease.
        Checked by I.V. Stalin

        Are you not afraid to get into the list?

        50 thousand ... Duc, your neighbor is swearing at you and rolls (damn, and mine - on me laughing )

        Kar-roche: in the next world we’ll count the coals (s)
        1. Joe stalin
          Joe stalin 23 June 2016 22: 31
          0
          I don’t take bribes, and those who take - do not mind
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 24 June 2016 01: 40
            0
            Quote: Joe Stalin
            I don’t take bribes, and those who take - do not mind

            - I believe
            - "I don’t give," huh? But in this - not willows even once ..

            Somehow request
            1. Joe stalin
              Joe stalin 24 June 2016 09: 56
              -1
              will have to believe
              I am generally a fanatic:
              I do not change my wife and do not drink
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 24 June 2016 14: 08
                +1
                Quote: Joe Stalin
                will have to believe
                I am generally a fanatic:
                I do not change my wife and do not drink

                This is all wonderful and easy to believe ...

                For example, I had it like this (under the Union, yeah):
                - the wife needs ... to operate. Nothing scary yet - a tumor on the thyroid gland, it is unclear what kind of tumor (already funny, right?)
                - Clinic - departmental (well, I worked then in the drawer, and my wife - she’s still mine)
                - they honestly explain to me (1994, be) how much it will cost to put my beauty tomorrow on the table and everything will go well ... belay

                Vasya, you will be surprised - I collected everything I could and gave it away.

                Now put yourself in my place. And once again repeat about that "I don't drink, I don't cheat on my wife, and I don't give bribes."

                Yours faithfully - hi
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 23 June 2016 20: 57
        0
        50 thousand to shoot, and corruption will decrease sharply. Checked by I.V. Stalin

        And here is the article, here, on VO dated 18.12.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX. "Meet the Russian-speaking agent of the State Department"
        MEMORY OF THE RUSSIAN-SPEAKING AGENT OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT. REAL

        .... at every opportunity, mention in a positive way the USSR and its leaders, especially I.V. Stalin
        The phrases work very well ..... and under Stalin they would already be sitting / they would have already been shot.
        1. Joe stalin
          Joe stalin 23 June 2016 22: 32
          0
          under Stalin, the Zaputinians would indeed have been sitting without any State Department
  36. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 23 June 2016 18: 46
    +1
    It's time to hang up and shoot this abomination! I agree to work without interruption 25 hours a day on a voluntary basis !!!
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 23 June 2016 18: 52
      +1
      how unbecoming and illiberal!

      philanthropy must be - teaches us the environment of V.V. Putin.
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    2. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 23 June 2016 19: 41
      0
      Quote: Fonmeg
      I agree to work without interruption 25 hours a day on a voluntary basis !!!


      And you, who are unemployed, can find a job for yourself.
  37. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 June 2016 18: 52
    +2
    For such tricks, but at such a time ... Return the highest measure for critters!
  38. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 23 June 2016 19: 05
    +2
    For the proven embezzlement of punishment should be one - Shot! Enough with the embezzlers to babysit!
  39. fa2998
    fa2998 23 June 2016 19: 26
    +1
    Quote: Captive
    For such tricks, but at such a time ... Return the highest measure for critters!

    Quote: Joe Stalin
    philanthropy must be - teaches us the environment of V.V. Putin.

    And what does the environment have to do with it? THE ETERNAL GARANT ITSELF said- "we are not 37 years old .." And the environment is an ECHO! angry smile hi
  40. Sergey333
    Sergey333 23 June 2016 19: 49
    0
    To shoot reptiles for deliberately undermining the country's defense capability in the conditions of an intensified confrontation with the West.
  41. antikilller55
    antikilller55 23 June 2016 19: 55
    0
    Every day, the same thing is there at the construction site of the cosmodrome, millions are here to repair the fleet, somewhere else they grabbed a wagon of money from the budget, how much can it be? Where are special services, loud affairs and landings ???
  42. sw6513
    sw6513 23 June 2016 20: 07
    -1
    For quiet theft, you must be a member of the EP-and the Sea knee-deep ..
  43. VB
    VB 23 June 2016 20: 31
    +2
    As always, many are guaranteed by our company. The great president bred, no wonder, the fish had already rotted from head to tail. It’s time for her to be completely thrown into the trash.
  44. samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 June 2016 20: 32
    +1
    Well, it was worth bringing down the Union, falling into endless "perestroika", breeding legions of "commissioners for rights ...", so that not a single serious case could do without the FSB.

    Russia is not Switzerland. Democracy is expensive and inefficient.
    PS .... I wonder if Lavrenty Pavlovich was able to provide "teleportation" by 2035? wink
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 26 June 2016 22: 46
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      PS .... I wonder if Lavrenty Pavlovich was able to provide "teleportation" by 2035?

      Hello hi

      Your previous thoughts are clear, except for "teleportation" .. can I explain it, if it's easy? wink
  45. DHA
    DHA 23 June 2016 21: 50
    +1
    Stalin is not on them. "Shoot at x @ th !!!"
  46. Papapg
    Papapg 23 June 2016 21: 51
    -1
    To rename the memorials to the victims of "repression" the results of the fight against corruption. It was their cubs who grew up and took up the old. Lavrenty Pavlovich did not complete it ...
  47. Rambylbafen
    Rambylbafen 23 June 2016 22: 02
    0
    come on you: shoot, plant and so on. etc. am Unbeknownst to the highest ranks in the Defense Ministry and the highest state. officials and a penny will not be stolen hi just the directors were leaked as unnecessary or intractability that's all belay 30% of the state order remains in Moscow for kickbacks and for some reason they don’t put anyone, and there the amount is an order of magnitude greater hi
  48. viktor.
    viktor. 24 June 2016 02: 33
    0
    Quote: sandrmur76
    So this is not just theft, it is sabotage, the weakening of the country's defense. Why would a country cripple without legs? Feed it? Caught with similar deeds and to hard labor am

    I am for! must work out a debt to the state and people. together with everyone who knew, guessed but ate stolen goods and live show how they plow (create a transmission as opposed to House 2) can the other robbers think about it? Of course, they will not stop stealing, but I think they will decrease fool
  49. Evil 55
    Evil 55 24 June 2016 03: 15
    0
    Fingers need to be cut for such actions .. And it will be immediately visible, and the hunt will disappear for the future ..
  50. Wolka
    Wolka 24 June 2016 05: 51
    +1
    used to be shot for such things, now they give 9 years l / s. Of course, as you can see after Serdyukov, little has changed