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Documents declaring the myth that the Soviet Union in 1940-1941 was declassified. was going to attack Germany

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Today, on the day of the 75 anniversary of the German attack on the Soviet Union, Igor Permyakov, head of the Central Archive of the Russian Defense Ministry, spoke at an international scientific conference called “75 years of the beginning of World War II: on the verge of a catastrophe”. During his speech, he presented the most important documents of both the epoch of the Great Patriotic War itself and the years preceding it. The documents include materials from the German intelligence agency 1940-1941 and the previously secret interrogation of German field marshal Friedrich Paulus.


From the materials that were collected in Nazi Germany before the invasion of the Soviet Union, there is a clear refutation of numerous statements by pseudo-experts, saying that the Soviet Union "was preparing an attack on Germany." Igor Permyakov presented the most important documentation, from which (from German intelligence reports and statements by Paulus) it follows that the Soviet Union did not make any preparations for an attack on the Third Reich either in 1940 or in 1941. Documents dispel the myth formed by certain circles about the upcoming "Soviet aggression".

Statement by Igor Permyakov about documents with the texts of interrogations of Field Marshal Paulus (citation RIA News):
This document is called "Testimony of Field Marshal of the German Army Friedrich Paulus on the reasons for refusing to conduct Operation Sea Lion" (unrealized landing of the Germans in Britain). At first, we kept this document in special storage, then, after the need arose to make public documents that directly speak of falsification historical events, we decided to remove it from special storage and submit it for introduction into scientific circulation. I am not in vain focusing on this document. Many historians are well aware of how Operation Sea Lion is presented in modern Western historical society. The testimony of one of the leading specialists of the German General Staff, such as Friedrich Paulus, speaks for itself.


Documents declaring the myth that the Soviet Union in 1940-1941 was declassified. was going to attack Germany


According to Paulus, the refusal of the Sea Lion operation was the fact that in 1940, plans appeared of a blitzkrieg war against the Soviet Union.

Archive Manager:
First, despite the falsely asserted propaganda, especially in Western countries, the Soviet Union did not plan an aggressive war against anyone, its military planning was entirely and entirely aimed at ensuring the country's defense. Offensive fighting was considered only as a response to aggression. This has documentary evidence, including German documents. Second: the allegations that someone in the top leadership of the USSR allegedly did not believe in the possibility of a military clash with Germany and its allies are also unfounded, unfair and amateurish. The study of archival documents shows that the leadership of the USSR was aware of the situation and, to the best of its military and economic capabilities, took appropriate measures. The only question is how effective and sufficient these measures were at the beginning of the war.
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  1. Irokez
    Irokez 22 June 2016 17: 49
    +45
    The USSR at that time and Stalin himself needed to raise the country and there could be no question of any kind of attack there. Moreover, in some areas they generally collaborated with Germany on the military commissar.
    1. Vend
      Vend 22 June 2016 17: 55
      +39
      But I’m wondering why it took so long to publish these documents. It could have been done before.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 22 June 2016 18: 00
        +21
        Quote: Wend
        It could have been done before.
        And in my opinion, it's time. When Russia is demonized in every possible way, it is once again exposed as the aggressor, citing all sorts of pseudo-historical fakes as evidence of the "natural malice and cunning of the Russians." Although our "Western partners" and our liberal-minded citizens, who are in solidarity with them, will undoubtedly yell: "You are lying! The USSR was a devil, and the Stalinist regime is worse than Hitler's!"
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      2. alex_V15
        alex_V15 22 June 2016 18: 19
        +17
        And now not only such documents have been published.
        Now and amers, and even the British frankly blamed for all serious. Moreover - with EXTREME (!) Evidence. The rhetoric is so tough, even in Soviet times it was not like this! And no matter what a blow, then a powerful "information sledgehammer" - that is, unbreakable facts!
        This is always saved up to different times.
        These are the times.
        With regard to Ukraine and the history associated with the development of ukronatsizma - there, of course, that part of the leadership of the USSR, which was with the USSR, carefully at one time picked up everything in the back box, allegedly "to prevent ethnic conflicts." After the dismantling of the Soviet system, the lack of a vaccination first led to ukronatsionalizma - "self-divisiveness", and then - to a hybrid ukronatsizma and Bandera.
        And further.
        It seems to me that they are still not doing something out of a cushion!
        Someone there in Europe will be very unhealthy.
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        2. jjj
          jjj 22 June 2016 19: 56
          +21
          During the war years the Dnepropetrovsk underground was betrayed. After the war, the traitor went to the nomenclature of the Central Committee and held significant posts. When the facts began to emerge, the former underground survivors who began to speak were killed. I had a father-in-law in that underground and served in Mauthausen. When they came to Brezhnev to ask questions, he said in a clean eye that he knew nothing and had not seen anything, had not heard anything.
          So, I suppose, Bandera was no longer eradicated, but cultivated
        3. rostov-dad
          rostov-dad 23 June 2016 23: 15
          +4
          Americans and Europeans are trying to rewrite history in their own way, advantageous for themselves, but you can not rewrite it, because if you shoot into the past with a pistol in response there will be a salvo from a gun.
      3. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 June 2016 18: 25
        +7
        Quote: Wend
        It could have been done before.

        Floppy flywheel state secrets.
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        "Western partners" and our liberal-minded citizens, who are in solidarity with them, will undoubtedly yell: "You are lying! The USSR was a devil, and the Stalinist regime is worse than Hitler's!"

        This is 100%.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 22 June 2016 18: 37
          +16
          And yet, why couldn't it have been done earlier? Well, of course, in 91 nobody wanted to answer the Rezun at the state level, but in 2006? Didn't you too? In fact, all Paulus's words on this topic were published back in the USSR, long before 91 in the "Notes of a Soldier" and were officially published quite so-so. Ten or fifteen years ago, reminding those who have forgotten, and especially those who did not know, could have been completely. Now we are collecting the fruits in the form of commemorative plaques to Mannerheim.
          1. bovig
            bovig 22 June 2016 21: 42
            -1
            Among the documents - German intelligence materials from 1940-1941 and previously previously classified secret interrogation of German Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus.

            Pay attention to the highlighted !!! German intelligence materials and the interrogation of Paulus here go AGAIN!)))
            Quote: NDR-791
            Well, of course, in 91 nobody wanted to answer the Rezun at the state level, but in 2006? Didn't you too? In fact, all Paulus's words on this topic were published back in the USSR, long before 91 in the "Notes of a Soldier" and were officially published quite so-so.

            And in 2006 they still could not answer! Why? - This is a separate topic and not for comment ...
            It's not at all a fact that EVERYTHING was published in the "Soldier's Notes"! Perhaps only what you could afford, or what was enough at that time ... So, your statements are not very justified. A wise strategist keeps his main arguments in reserve until a critical moment ... It is possible that these documents are not all, and there are still those that are waiting in the wings ...
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 23 June 2016 10: 24
            +6
            Now, if they had arranged a detailed investigation in Katyn, let the documents be dumped. And then besides the film Mukhin, there is nothing.
      4. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 22 June 2016 18: 32
        +15
        You can’t go with trump cards. You need to upload them strictly at the right time.
      5. bovig
        bovig 22 June 2016 21: 53
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        But I’m wondering why it took so long to publish these documents. It could have been done before.

        And in my opinion - at the right time! There is such an expression "moment of truth" ... This is when not earlier, not later, but at the most necessary moment!))
        1. aba
          aba 23 June 2016 19: 03
          +1
          There is such an expression "moment of truth" ...

          There is only one inconvenience at the present time: the truth is known to many people who are supposed to know, but they have no task to convey the truth. And what can Russia do when a hundred-voiced barking from all sides is in one word? So in this cacophony no one will hear it.
          So I think that now is a disadvantageous time for us. And it is unlikely that Russia would imagine such a time while the ball on Earth is ruled by world democratizers.
      6. Aleksander
        Aleksander 22 June 2016 22: 30
        +3
        Quote: Wend
        But I’m wondering why it took so long to publish these documents. It could have been done before.


        This is the first question that has arisen with me: WHY is there such a secret that there is such a secret that 70 has not been shown for years?
        The second question is how many more such important documents of the war are hidden under the absurd heading "Secret?"
      7. brn521
        brn521 23 June 2016 10: 32
        -1
        Quote: Wend
        But I’m wondering why it took so long to publish these documents.

        This is not unveiling. Not a single link.
      8. kalibr
        kalibr 24 June 2016 06: 34
        -1
        Is this really a question? Why??? That Russia has not been demonized before? Demonized even harder than now! Have not whole streams of Suvorov's books appeared in their (recent!) Time? And not only him ... What has changed and what has happened that "allowed" this to "open"? That’s what to ask him about and answer him. I am sure that the truth would be more interesting even than these documents themselves.
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        2. Idiot
          Idiot 24 June 2016 08: 36
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          Didn't there appear in their (recent!) Time whole streams of Suvorov's books? And not only him ... What has changed and what has happened that "allowed" this to "open"?


          When faeces are released in a living room, they call the plumber, and do not argue: "what made it possible to open THIS?" I answer: in the early 90s the USSR was sentenced, the victim had to be demonized. The work was carried out by a team of specially trained authors under the pseudonym "Viktor Suvorov", who was actively assisted by a support group headed by Yakovlev. The archives were turned inside out, there are now more fake documents than the skulls of Louis the Fourteenth ...
      9. Military Builder
        Military Builder 24 June 2016 12: 43
        +1
        under the USSR there was no need, no one doubted then that the USSR was not going to attack and that the USSR was the winner, in the 90s, on the contrary, to kick and throw mud at the "dead lion" (USSR) was a matter of "honor" for any "hare", but now is the very time and has come - THE MOMENT OF TRUTH
      10. iliya87
        iliya87 24 June 2016 15: 04
        +1
        It’s immediately obvious that you did not deal with classified documents. It happens that a document is classified, and even at that moment it does not represent much significance, and then after the neck, in order to declassify it, you need to go through a ton of bureaucratic dregs. Who will do this? It is clear that when there is a need for this, then of course they will declassify with ease and very quickly. If there is no such need, seven pots will come down.
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    4. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 22 June 2016 19: 43
      -5
      Quote: Irokez
      Moreover, in some areas, they generally collaborated with Germany on the military

      Not that in some, but in quite specific ones, for example, in the reconstruction of German aviation:
      “Among the conditions of the Versailles Peace, limiting the number and armament of the German armed forces, was the prohibition of Germany to have its own military aircraft. Thus, if the air force continued to develop in other countries in the interwar period, Germany was in a state of stagnation in this matter. Officially, however, unofficially, German generals almost immediately after the war began to take measures to create an air force, which is still secret. In 16.4, secret courses for the training of German pilots and observer pilots were launched on the territory of the USSR in Lipetsk. In Germany itself, the Air Force began to revive within the framework of various supposedly public organizations, such as the German Air Sports Union. "
      http://coollib.net/b/72657/read
      There is information that some of the Luftwaffe pilots, led by Goering, took internships at the airport, which has not yet been opened and is located under the territory of Vitebsk! And all this was before the Second World War.
      1. pilot8878
        pilot8878 22 June 2016 19: 59
        +3
        Quote: SMikhalych
        Not that in some, but in quite specific ones, for example, in the reconstruction of German aviation ...
        ... There is information that some of the Luftwaffe pilots, led by Goering, took internships at the airport, which has not yet been opened and is located under the territory of Vitebsk! And all this was before the Second World War.

        Since you are so informed about everything, then negotiate: tell us with facts how many pilots were trained, what kind of machines were designed, how many were built, and at the same time tell us in which year this collaboration ended. Without this information, I put you minus for ... ram throwing.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 22 June 2016 21: 00
          0
          It is unlikely that he will do it.
        2. papas-57
          papas-57 22 June 2016 21: 33
          +4
          `` Since you are so informed about everything, then talk it over. '' It was so. Pilots were trained in Lipetsk, tankers in Kazan. There was even a rumor that Goering had a relationship with a Russian woman and a child was born. And German designers worked in our design bureaus, designed tanks, cannons, aircraft. Read the memoirs of our designers about those times, everywhere the Germans appear, and in fairly high positions.
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 23 June 2016 10: 13
            0
            It is believed that Lipetsk wasn’t touched or bombed for the reasons stated above, and nearby Voronezh was bombarded so clean. Facts are stubborn.
            1. sgazeev
              sgazeev 23 June 2016 20: 29
              +5
              Quote: Irokez
              It is believed that Lipetsk wasn’t touched or bombed for the reasons stated above, and nearby Voronezh was bombarded so clean. Facts are stubborn.

              The USSR did NOT prepare military personnel for Nazi Germany. The training of a small number of pilots and tankers was carried out by the Germans on the territory of the USSR themselves, exclusively personnel were trained for the MOST democratic country of then Europe - the so-called Weimar Republic. All contacts were terminated after Hitler came to power.
              1. yehat
                yehat 24 June 2016 16: 37
                -2
                Not all.
                Chic aircraft factory in Moscow built by the Germans under Hitler
                under Hitler actively conducted joint training of field commanders, tankmen and pilots. Under Hitler, various commissions for the exchange of experience and the procurement of various military junk actively traveled. As part of this work, for example, a light reconnaissance physler was purchased, which we began to produce under the name stork.
          2. pilot8878
            pilot8878 7 July 2016 21: 11
            0
            Quote: papas-57
            And German designers worked in our design bureaus, designed tanks, guns, airplanes. Read the memoirs of our designers about those times, Germans appear everywhere, and in rather high positions.

            So I'm trying to hear at least one clear answer: WHAT WERE DESIGNED ??? Or the main thing to say, and then even the grass does not grow? All the time association: designed - designed, but not designed. laughing
            I am aware of the facts that have taken place, but there is a little nuance: until the end of 1933, the work of ALL specials. schools was curtailed on the initiative of the German side, and the actual work has not been carried out since about 1929. If necessary, I can clarify.
        3. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 23 June 2016 14: 09
          -2
          Quote: pilot8878
          Since you are so informed about everything, then negotiate: tell us with facts how many pilots were trained, which machines were designed, how many were built, and at the same time tell us in which year this collaboration ended. Without this information, I put you minus for ... ram throwing.

          Put your minus in yourself ... it’s clear where.
          ... which machines were designed, how many were built, at the same time tell us in which year this collaboration ended

          What is this nonsense of a sick imagination? fool
          I gave a link to the material quoted. And then it begins: give the fish, a fire ... and look weak yourself?
          So minus return with full responsibility ...)))
          As for Vitebsk, I recommend finding memoirs of the Faith of the Arms. The rest of the information is collected bit by bit by Belarusian search engines, but you also need official published data))). Duc flag in hand and Google to help.
        4. sgazeev
          sgazeev 23 June 2016 20: 27
          0
          Quote: pilot8878
          Quote: SMikhalych
          Not that in some, but in quite specific ones, for example, in the reconstruction of German aviation ...
          ... There is information that some of the Luftwaffe pilots, led by Goering, took internships at the airport, which has not yet been opened and is located under the territory of Vitebsk! And all this was before the Second World War.

          Since you are so informed about everything, then negotiate: tell us with facts how many pilots were trained, what kind of machines were designed, how many were built, and at the same time tell us in which year this collaboration ended. Without this information, I put you minus for ... ram throwing.

          “Soviet-German non-aggression treaty” Foreign press on the Soviet-German non-aggression treaty (Leningradskaya Pravda, USSR) http://politicon1.at.ua/forum/34-2594-2
        5. NikolaiN
          NikolaiN 24 June 2016 07: 30
          +3
          Quote: pilot8878
          Quote: SMikhalych
          Not that in some, but in quite specific ones, for example, in the reconstruction of German aviation ...
          ... There is information that some of the Luftwaffe pilots, led by Goering, took internships at the airport, which has not yet been opened and is located under the territory of Vitebsk! And all this was before the Second World War.

          Since you are so informed about everything, then negotiate: tell us with facts how many pilots were trained, what kind of machines were designed, how many were built, and at the same time tell us in which year this collaboration ended. Without this information, I put you minus for ... ram throwing.


          Indeed, many "forget" that all these schools were closed and cooperation ended when Hitler came to power. (Lipetsk was closed, if I am not mistaken, September 15, 1933) And Germany before Hitler, this is "another" Germany and it was associated with the Weimar Republic and not with the Nazis ...
      2. bovig
        bovig 22 June 2016 21: 22
        +2
        Quote: SMikhalych
        Still secret. 16.4. 1922 representatives of the RSFSR and Germany in Rapallo signed a peace treaty, which also provided for cooperation in the military field. In 1925, on the territory of the USSR in Lipetsk, secret courses were launched to train German pilots and pilot-observers. In Germany itself, the Air Force began to revive within the framework of various supposedly public organizations, such as the German Air Sports Association. "

        And with whom, in those years, the RSFSR could still be in international isolation?)))) Yes, and the Nazis came to power in Germany only in 1933, but even in those years they did not inform anyone of their plans ... Their aggressive international politics began to appear on the eve of the war. By the way, England collaborated with fascist Germany no less (if not more). I don’t understand, with what hint did you bring this fact?
        1. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 23 June 2016 14: 15
          -5
          Quote: bovig
          I don’t understand, with what hint did you bring this fact?

          And where does the hint come from? I found this material on the net, gave a link, what else is needed? Everyone seeks to find some kind of subtext ...
      3. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 22 June 2016 21: 59
        +2
        You have brought a little information, I add.
      4. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 24 June 2016 07: 35
        +2
        Quote: SMikhalych
        There is information that some of the Luftwaffe pilots, led by Goering, took internships at the airport, which has not yet been opened and is located under the territory of Vitebsk! And all this was before the Second World War.

        It was not like before the Second World War, it was before the Nazis came to power! An alliance with Germany, including militarily, is a natural counterweight to the Anglo-Saxons and their worst nightmare. That is why they supported the rise to power of the fascist anti-communist regime, on which military cooperation ended!
      5. MrK
        MrK 25 June 2016 17: 46
        +1
        Quote: SMikhalych
        There is information that some of the Luftwaffe pilots, led by Goering, took internships at the airport, which has not yet been opened and is located under the territory of Vitebsk! And all this was before the Second World War.


        Dear SMikhalych, modestly silent that it was all before Hitler came to power.
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 22 June 2016 21: 11
      -2
      Bialystok ledge is a Soviet wedge deeply driven into the body of Poland conquered by Hitler. June 41. The 10th Army of the Western Front was there sharper on the wedge. Major General KD Golubev commanded the Army. Hitler had nothing equal to that army at that time neither Roosevelt nor Churchill. The 10th Army included 5 corps; 2 mechanized (6th and 13th) 1 cavalry (6th) and 2 rifle (1st and 5th). Total; tank -4, Motorized 2, infantry 6, cavalry 2, aviation 1. About the power of the 10th Army. In the 9th avaadivisia there were 435 fighters alone. The color and pride of the 10th army were the 6th mechanized corps. 1021 tanks, 229 armored vehicles, 163 mortars, 76 anti-tank and 36 anti-aircraft guns. This army was not prepared for defense.
      1. B-15
        B-15 24 June 2016 06: 14
        0
        For completeness, you need to add the ratio of new technology to the old and the combat readiness of these parts (trained personnel, good equipment) on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX.
        Then it’s possible to talk about some kind of wedge.
        And so, alas, just numbers. Just plans to prepare a retaliatory strike of crushing strength.
        Find at least one document that speaks of preparing the people for an attack on Germany. Without this, one cannot have the appropriate spirit and attitude for victory. There will be such documents - come.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 22 June 2016 21: 12
      +10
      People confuse different things. "Was Russia-SSR going to be the first to attack Germany?" And "Was Russia-USSR going to fight Germany on its territory."

      The first to attack Germany? That is, the first to declare war on Germany? Stalin and the Soviet government were not suicides. Therefore, in order to declare war on Germany, it was first necessary to conclude an agreement with England, and enter the war on the side of England. In this case, it would be possible to declare war on Germany first. But here is the possibility of concluding an agreement with England - was there such an opportunity until June 22, 1941?

      As for "fighting on the territory of Germany" - a senseless question. Of course, after the German attack, everyone thought that Russia-USSR would quickly repel the blow of the fascists and go over to the enemy's territory to completely defeat it. As a matter of fact, the whole policy was based on this calculation - to repel the first blow and defeat the enemy on his territory.

      PS I will add that the Soviet government and Stalin were not suicides. Let’s think a little - what would happen if the Red Army dealt a preemptive strike on fascists on fascist territory? And how would the USA and England behave? With a high probability they would declare the USSR an aggressor, and began to help under the Lend-Lease of Germany. Moreover, the USA could do this quite legally, being a neutral party. And the British would quickly make peace with the Germans.
      1. bovig
        bovig 22 June 2016 22: 07
        +3
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        People confuse different things. "Was Russia-SSR going to be the first to attack Germany?" And "Was Russia-USSR going to fight Germany on its territory."

        The first to attack Germany? That is, the first to declare war on Germany? Stalin and the Soviet government were not suicides. Therefore, in order to declare war on Germany, it was first necessary to conclude an agreement with England, and enter the war on the side of England. In this case, it would be possible to declare war on Germany first. But here is the possibility of concluding an agreement with England - was there such an opportunity until June 22, 1941?

        As for "fighting on the territory of Germany" - a senseless question. Of course, after the German attack, everyone thought that Russia-USSR would quickly repel the blow of the fascists and go over to the enemy's territory to completely defeat it. As a matter of fact, the whole policy was based on this calculation - to repel the first blow and defeat the enemy on his territory.

        PS I will add that the Soviet government and Stalin were not suicides. Let’s think a little - what would happen if the Red Army dealt a preemptive strike on fascists on fascist territory? And how would the USA and England behave? With a high probability they would declare the USSR an aggressor, and began to help under the Lend-Lease of Germany. Moreover, the USA could do this quite legally, being a neutral party. And the British would quickly make peace with the Germans.

        This is the point! +
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 25 June 2016 12: 22
        0
        They would not only start helping. Britain would immediately have signed a separate peace with Germany, and sent expeditionary corps to the East. It's a simple matter. These British gentlemen have had their hand full of such reversals over the past 4 centuries. And in France, the Vichy government would have hurried in advance similarly. Plus "private" raw materials and military-technical assistance from overseas. Yes, we would have been driven beyond the Urals then. Over the bones, over their corpses, but they would have driven. Planning an attack by the Soviet Union on Germany in such conditions could only be a complete go-from, well, or, a modern "liberal".
    7. Cresta999
      Cresta999 24 June 2016 18: 38
      0
      I draw your closest attention to the fact that the USSR cooperated with Germany only BEFORE Hitler came to power! And at the expense of Germany. I think this is an important point to remember.
  2. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 22 June 2016 17: 50
    +13
    This proves nothing for those who receive green tenge for their "research" in the field of history. After all, whoever pays the historian is the one who dances, and if they urinate against the wind, everything will come off as dew. And such documents will be declared a falsification of the bloody Putin regime and will continue to sing songs about the evil empire request Or they will hush up stubbornly, as they hush up the current reality, which diverges from the officialdom of the Western media, aimed at discrediting Russia ...
    hi
  3. vladfill
    vladfill 22 June 2016 17: 52
    +4
    And the documents - where7
    1. Homo
      Homo 22 June 2016 18: 09
      +3
      Quote: vladfill
      And the documents - where7

      As a pity, you personally have not been delivered by courier! Complaint to the ECHR, urgently write! laughing
      PS And this is so, for general development - "During his speech, he presented the most important documents of both the era of the Second World War itself and the years preceding it. Among the documents are materials from German intelligence from 1940-1941 and the previously classified interrogation of the German field marshal Friedrich Paulus."
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 22 June 2016 18: 34
      +1
      This event happened only today. Let's wait a couple of days and the scans will appear, quite possibly, even on Wikipedia
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 22 June 2016 17: 53
    +3
    Liberasty got in the groin? In your introduction, the EBN era is a pure triumph of democracy and Hitler is a white fluffy cat.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 June 2016 18: 00
    +6
    The winners write the story. Or those who consider themselves so. Geyropeytsy with hegemons suddenly decided that it was they (together with Germany and its allies) who were victorious, and rushed to all the hard ... They did not regret the money. Well, we know who won. And we will not succumb to provocations.
  6. masiya
    masiya 22 June 2016 18: 06
    +1
    And who would doubt it, it was only necessary to talk about this 40-45 years ago to the whole world, maybe there wouldn’t have been 90s with liberals and whistleblowers, and the khrush would no longer be relevant in their revelations of Stalin. In the 60s, Brezhnev began to roll back everything, but the party was apparently slowing down ... it was scary to admit to something that they themselves did not understand ... and now the result is now partially coming out ...
  7. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 22 June 2016 18: 09
    +9
    Maybe they will tell the truth about Katyn. Maybe enough for pouring slop?
    1. bovig
      bovig 22 June 2016 20: 32
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
      Maybe they will tell the truth about Katyn. Maybe enough for pouring slop?

      It has long been known about Katyn that "the most evidentiary documents" turned out to be fabricated - some of them bore the seal of the CPSU Central Committee, which was not even in sight ...)) God marks rogue and makes mistakes ... By the way, the claims of the victims' relatives Katyn was never accepted by Russia in the international court ... It was just that there was no loud noise about this story, perhaps to save Medvedev's face ...
  8. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 22 June 2016 18: 09
    +2
    Archive Manager:
    First, despite the falsely asserted propaganda, especially in Western countries, the Soviet Union did not plan an aggressive war against anyone, its military planning was entirely and entirely aimed at ensuring the country's defense. Offensive fighting was considered only as a response to aggression. This has documentary evidence, including German documents. Second: the allegations that someone in the top leadership of the USSR allegedly did not believe in the possibility of a military clash with Germany and its allies are also unfounded, unfair and amateurish. The study of archival documents shows that the leadership of the USSR was aware of the situation and, to the best of its military and economic capabilities, took appropriate measures. The only question is how effective and sufficient these measures were at the beginning of the war.


    It was necessary to begin with this. And for a long time.
    1. bovig
      bovig 22 June 2016 20: 24
      +1
      Quote: wanderer_032
      Archive Manager:
      First, despite the falsely asserted propaganda, especially in Western countries, the Soviet Union did not plan an aggressive war against anyone, its military planning was entirely and entirely aimed at ensuring the country's defense. Offensive fighting was considered only as a response to aggression. This has documentary evidence, including German documents. Second: the allegations that someone in the top leadership of the USSR allegedly did not believe in the possibility of a military clash with Germany and its allies are also unfounded, unfair and amateurish. The study of archival documents shows that the leadership of the USSR was aware of the situation and, to the best of its military and economic capabilities, took appropriate measures. The only question is how effective and sufficient these measures were at the beginning of the war.


      It was necessary to begin with this. And for a long time.

      When playing a fool, the main trump card is left at the end of the game, but not dropped at the beginning ...)) During the battle on the Kursk Bulge, the main striking forces were cherished until a critical moment - that's why they won, breaking the Wehrmacht ridge completely.
  9. Monos
    Monos 22 June 2016 18: 15
    +22
    An interesting point: for us, the Day of Sorrow is the beginning of the war (June 22), for the West - its end (May 8).
    We grieve for the dead, and their logic, as I understand it, is this: not only did they put a bunch of people, but they did not achieve their goals. Sadness.
    1. Қarabas
      Қarabas 23 June 2016 08: 19
      +1
      Well yes. We have sorrow that the war has begun. And they have the sorrow that ended (
  10. wadim13
    wadim13 22 June 2016 18: 21
    +4
    What kind of nonsense? How can a sensible person even enter into a discussion about the possibility of an attack by the USSR on the Third Reich? Guys over 35 years old, in what country were you brought up? Did you forget her? I have not forgotten my grandfather, although I live in the former USSR.
    1. Comrade Glebov
      Comrade Glebov 22 June 2016 18: 30
      +14
      Come on, I had a friend historian anti-Soviet-Russophobe, who in one conversation, trying to "lower" the USSR, proved to me that our warriors were stupid, because having the newest T-34 at the beginning of the war they lost to the "civilized" on "old", and through For 10 minutes he told what stupid Russian engineers and designers were, because the Germans came to Moscow on "Tigers" (yes, it was near Moscow, and it was on the "Tigers" and no arguments that the "Tiger" only went for testing in 42 do not work, since he has a "diploma"), and we fought on rusty teapots. He did not see any internal contradictions, these are "scoops". And such clinical idiots - two buckets around each corner, I am sure that no documents will prove them. The more arguments "against" the more they are "for". Here only KPVT will help.
      1. wadim13
        wadim13 22 June 2016 18: 47
        +6
        Comrade Glebov, I think that our life experience will not allow us to identify the final winner in terms of the clinical idiots encountered on the path of life. Our task with you is not to get dirty about them, entering into their discussions. :-)
        1. seveddi
          seveddi 22 June 2016 19: 16
          +9
          It is still necessary to debate, otherwise, you will not have time to look back as everyone will agree with these "clinical idiots".
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 22 June 2016 21: 03
            +3
            The most dangerous thing is that these clinical ones (without quotes) shout out those who really understand the topic.
      2. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 22 June 2016 22: 01
        +1
        But is it worth spending such a large caliber on idiots?
  11. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 18: 23
    +6
    It is necessary to digitize and put these documents in the public domain ... let liberalists and other turbidity choke on bile
  12. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 22 June 2016 18: 24
    +1
    So, I myself know what it is: "Sov.secretno" and "DSP" ...! Or maybe it's enough to keep secrets, under different "vultures" there ?! That's it, guys, the game is open! Well, you can't "75 years", "100" years "and," keep forever "?! Or, Russia, is there something to be ashamed of ?! Oh, I don't think so ... recourse
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 22 June 2016 18: 39
      +3
      There are things, names and surnames, nicknames and pseudonyms that are not worth revealing, and even God forbid saying it out loud - this can pass the entire intelligence network or expose active figures of the country (and I'm not talking about the state apparatus).
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 22 June 2016 20: 16
        0
        "There are things, names and surnames, nicknames and pseudonyms that should not be disclosed ..."
        Icon-spoke! belay Nicknames for thieves and dogs, pseudonyms for writers, names and surnames, for ordinary citizens ...! About "things", enlighten ?! winkSudoplatov, is not included in the list?! Alas, I entered, contrary to your imaginary secrecy .... Just 75 years .... since the beginning of the war!
        1. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 22 June 2016 21: 59
          0
          Spray some water because it burns with you.
          Nickname - A conspiratorial nickname for a person who is in a secret organization, including a party nickname for many prominent members of party organizations during their illegal existence.
          The rest is in the same section. Things from the same documents. Sudoplatov I have no honor to know.
          It is necessary to store it in order to open it at a strictly necessary time, otherwise they could have evaporated by the efforts of some partners, or even were misinterpreted.
          1. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 22 June 2016 22: 08
            +2
            "... Sudoplatov have no honor to know ...."
            I have no more questions ...! hiUnified State Exam ..... diagnosis, eka, you "poked" ... recourse
            1. Shadowcat
              Shadowcat 22 June 2016 22: 48
              -2
              And I see you are a doctor once you make diagnoses.
              1. ALABAY45
                ALABAY45 22 June 2016 23: 04
                +2
                By the way, have you found out who Sudoplatov is ?! Immediately, I will make a reservation, you should not look for his name in the sections: "Top 10 Best Comedic Actors in Hollywood" and "The Most Famous Characters of Computer Games" ... And, work with spelling and punctuation (yes, these are long and unusual words! I hope they don't scare you ?!), "rise above yourself" ... smile
                1. Shadowcat
                  Shadowcat 22 June 2016 23: 37
                  -4
                  Here I am amazed by the love of stigmatizing everything and everyone. You understand so well, remember the thousand and seventy-two characters? Cool. But here it is worthwhile to encounter someone who is inferior in something, or is not sufficiently enlightened in the subject, and immediately trample it in the dirt, spread it on the floor and brand it with an uneducated type.
                  Perfectly. Or maybe you, an incomparable scholar, will be able to read such grudges? ไม่รู้ จริงๆ ว่า เค้า นำ เข้า มายัง ไง
                  I think you can’t immediately determine what language it is written in, how many words are in the sentence. Frankly, I won’t be able to confess right away, but I’m quietly learning to add to the piggy bank those languages ​​that I already know.
                  And yes, Sudoplatova recalled. Sudoplatov Grisha, he and I were in fifth grade, six months, after I moved because of my father’s work. It was about twenty years ago and did not remember immediately. But, you, how do you know him?
          2. lwxx
            lwxx 22 June 2016 23: 23
            +4
            Sudoplatov I have no honor to know. Are you with such knowledge and such stars? wassat You would be more careful here on the site, all the same people, for the most part, with a good education and a lot of military men. Before writing, sometimes it’s better to keep silent, marry a smart one. You are right about nicknames and pseudonyms.
  13. Stas157
    Stas157 22 June 2016 18: 33
    +8
    We know who and why is talking about the fact that the USSR was supposedly going to attack Germany. They want to equate the Communists with the Nazis! The cynicism of the situation is that we are accused of what we did not do! And, history, according to one famous person, does not tolerate the subjunctive mood.
    Well, I want to bring one well-known fact, that Stalin during the German attack on the USSR, according to eyewitnesses, at the first moment was so depressed that he did not begin to appeal to the people about the German attack, but ordered this to Molotov. Well, Stalin did not look like a man who wanted to attack a country that conquered half of Europe!
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 22 June 2016 19: 00
      +3
      Quote: Stas157
      The cynicism of the situation is that we are accused of what we did not do! And, history, according to one famous person, does not tolerate the subjunctive mood.

      There is a logical and purposeful cynicism, to tie all possible and impossible actions of the USSR authorities to modern Russia. To put forward requirements for historical facts and try to tie Putin to the decisions of Stalin and the party.
      Actually, there is a strict definition for such actions and it is called information war.
  14. Verdun
    Verdun 22 June 2016 18: 41
    +3
    I wonder how many times will I have to prove that the water is wet and the Earth is spinning? Moreover, each time presenting new evidence ...
  15. NDR-791
    NDR-791 22 June 2016 18: 42
    +1
    Quote: alex_V15
    It seems to me that they are still not doing something out of a cushion!
    Someone there in Europe will be very unhealthy.

    Very well noticed! We have not yet reviewed the British "History of 2WW" in forty-six volumes! It’s something impudent from the European Union trying to get rid of, no matter what is responsible for anything by tradition.
  16. masiya
    masiya 22 June 2016 18: 49
    +4
    The wrong topic was chosen to be minus, again some sort of liberal rot stinks ... no words ..
  17. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 22 June 2016 18: 58
    -7
    That is, they give us, as confirmation of the absence of Soviet plans to attack Germany, read the testimony of a German officer that Germany did not plan to carry out Operation Sea Lion against Britain?

    WHAT FOR Nonsense ???

    Which "victims of the exam" is this meant for?


    I would not be surprised if they declassify a napkin with the inscription: "I order in the 40s and 41 not to attack Germany. Stalin."
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 22 June 2016 20: 39
      -1
      now you’ll be called an adherent of the rezun, but the article is horse ravings fool What is the difference from the opus of a traitor? the approach is even more idiotic: some kind of material from some German intelligence and ... Paulus, don't get upset - that's the explosion, then we can light something up from our archives, at least one of the options in case of war, for example, a dead German coward dug up - super negative
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 22 June 2016 22: 59
        -1
        Quote: vanavate
        now you’ll be called an adherent of the rezun, but the article is horse ravings



        So I say that the article is nonsense.

        Already minus actively wink
    2. Two handed
      Two handed 23 June 2016 04: 47
      -1
      "During his speech, he presented the most important documents of both the era of the Second World War itself and the years preceding it. Among the documents are materials from German intelligence from 1940-1941 and the previously classified interrogation of the German field marshal Friedrich Paulus."
      Read it again, then cross out the Paulus interrogation and read it again.
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 23 June 2016 22: 52
        -1
        Quote: Zweihander
        Read it again, then cross out the Paulus interrogation and read it again.


        First of all, don't poke me around.
        Secondly, where in the phrase: "During his speech, he presented the most important documents of both the era of the Second World War itself and the years preceding it. Among the documents are materials from German intelligence from 1940-1941", it is said that the USSR was not going to attack Germany? There is generally no talk about the USSR.
        1. Two handed
          Two handed 24 June 2016 05: 00
          0
          Can't you read? Apparently still not. I'll even highlight it for you, suddenly the meaning will come to you: "Today - on the day of the 75th anniversary of the German attack on the Soviet Union - the head of the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Igor Permyakov spoke at an international scientific conference called" 75 years of the beginning of the Great Patriotic War: on the verge catastrophe. ”During his speech, he introduced the most important documents of both the era of the Second World War and its preceding years. Among the documents are German intelligence materials from 1940-1941 and the previously secretly interrogated German Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus.

          Of The materials that were collected in Nazi Germany before the invasion of the Soviet Union began, followed by a clear refutation of the numerous statements of pseudo-experts who spoke in the spirit that the Soviet Union "was preparing an attack on Germany." Igor Permyakov presented the most important documentation from which (from reports of German intelligence and statements by Paulus) it follows that The Soviet Union, neither in 1940 nor in 1941, made any preparations for an attack on the Third Reich. The documents debunk the myth formed by certain circles about the impending “Soviet aggression”. "

          It first.
          Secondly, on the Internet, under the conditions of anonymization, it is accepted to address "you", it would be time to get used to it and not cry about this. How do I know if you are an eight year old girl, a bot or a cat.
          1. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 24 June 2016 11: 00
            0
            Quote: Zweihander
            How do I know, maybe you are an eight-year-old girl, bot or cat


            On this I need to poke? And what does the internet have to do with it? If a person is not raised, then he behaves everywhere like that.

            Quote: Zweihander
            Can't you read? Apparently not. I’ll even give you away, suddenly the meaning will reach you


            This, apparently, you do not know how to read. And there is no causal relationship. The testimony of a German officer and German intelligence is NOT a proof that the USSR was not going to attack Germany. You show me the domestic declassified documents, where it can be read.
  18. Omsk
    Omsk 22 June 2016 19: 00
    +6
    it would be strange if there were no attempts to rewrite history. almost all of Europe was either an ally of Hitler, or under him. who is now a hunt to remember. The Poles scream the loudest, prudently silent about the joint campaign with the Germans in Czechoslovakia and attempts to join the axis countries. Turt at least declassify all the documents, the West will blow into his pipe ...
  19. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 22 June 2016 19: 00
    +1
    Mdya, how many more documents are classified! But you can’t publish them in any way. It's a pity. I can’t even imagine the amount of classified information stored in our archive:
    The Central Naval Archive (TsVMA) is the Russian departmental archive, a branch of the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It is the departmental archival repository of documents of the Navy. More than two million documents are stored in the archive.included in 6 thousand funds and covering the period from 1941 to 1993 year. This is one of the largest archives in Russia containing documents of the Great Patriotic War. The archive is subordinate to the General Staff of the Navy of the Russian Federation (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) as a department. Address: 188300, Russia, Leningrad Region, Gatchinsky District, Gatchina, Krasnoarmeysky Prospekt, house Xnumx
    1. pilot8878
      pilot8878 22 June 2016 20: 08
      +1
      Quote: LÄRZ
      in our archive

      In ours: in the sense of sea or Gatchina?
      1. LÄRZ
        LÄRZ 22 June 2016 20: 38
        +2
        Quote: pilot8878
        In ours: in the sense of sea or Gatchina?

        IN OUR, TSVMA, GATCHINSKY!
        1. pilot8878
          pilot8878 23 June 2016 00: 21
          +1
          quote = LÄRZ] IN OUR, TSVMA, GATCHINSKY! [/ quote]
          Countryman. wink [
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 24 June 2016 10: 22
      0
      and what for do you need them?
      You’ll read them, for example, I have no problems with archives.
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 22 June 2016 19: 15
    0
    Friends, do you doubt that German historians knew about the true state of affairs and plans of the Wehrmacht without publishing these documents? Let's not underestimate history as a science and do not mix with politics.
  21. user3970
    user3970 22 June 2016 19: 21
    +5
    It was, It was. I personally saw Leningrad TV, Channel 5, teleconference, live broadcast, on one side of the screen Rezun (Suvorov), on the other - a team of military historians with stripes. By the end of the discussion, the military reluctantly admitted that plans for a preemptive strike towards the oil fields of Romania in the General Staff of the Red Army were being worked out in the staff games. I will repeat myself. It was a live broadcast. By the way - if the documents confirming these facts had been published earlier - there would have been no book by Suvorov "Icebreaker", he would not have earned a very frail money for falsehood. So the president, like the last sucker, is messing with the Poles, apologizing for the execution in Katyn. But it seems that he once worked in special agencies. And access to the Podolsk archive of the Ministry of Defense is closed even for professional historians. Although in the days of fucking tons of archives were exported to the West, the KGB archive was also taken there, there was a scandal in the press.
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 22 June 2016 22: 03
      +1
      Medvedev did not work in the organs.
  22. afrikanez
    afrikanez 22 June 2016 19: 21
    0
    Russia has already been “bombarded” with false accusations so that the declassified document arrived just in time. One can only imagine how many things have not yet been declassified. what
  23. fa2998
    fa2998 22 June 2016 19: 23
    +3
    Quote: Wend
    But I’m wondering why it took so long to publish these documents. It could have been done before.

    Our "state historians" every five years will declassify a couple of pieces of paper, and again they shout that history is being misinterpreted! And this history is different for each government, for each ruler, and different. We still have many documents "in special storage", "secret" just "service". How that the new president (or another name for the ruler) will again declassify new documents - and we will have a new look at history
    the rest will be reproached for "falsification" again. wassat
    And what new said the employee of the General Staff of Germany. All headquarters for their work use intelligence data. What did the German intelligence know when! It worked outrageously. Already in combat conditions, the Germans got acquainted with the T-34, KV-1,2. And work on the RS (Katyusha ), too, missed! How did they know about the plans of the USSR, when the KV-1 was driven from shop to shop, THROUGH THE TRAM ROADS in Leningrad, and they don’t know! And so "considerations" of this type are kept secret for over 70 years. laughing what hi
    1. pilot8878
      pilot8878 22 June 2016 20: 17
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      Already in combat conditions the Germans met with the T-34, KV-1,2

      And even then they were not appreciated. In Guderian, the attitude to the T-34 changes only near Moscow, when it is necessary to start coming up with the reasons for the defeats.
      Quote: fa2998
      what’s new was said by a German General Staff worker. All headquarters use intelligence data for their work.

      This is the problem of Canaris' service, its flaw. And the calculations when building plans are the work of the General Staff. Paulus, as an employee of the General Staff and the author of "Barbarossa", outlined what these calculations are based on.
  24. bovig
    bovig 22 June 2016 19: 59
    0
    Well, here is the stud in the anus to Western propagandists and Resunovites! Bravo!
  25. Irbis5974
    Irbis5974 22 June 2016 20: 58
    +6
    [quote = user3970] It was, It was. I personally saw Leningrad TV, Channel 5, teleconference, live broadcast, on one side of the screen Rezun (Suvorov), on the other - a team of military historians with stripes. By the end of the discussion, the military reluctantly admitted that plans for a preemptive strike towards the oil fields of Romania in the General Staff of the Red Army were being worked out in the staff games. I will repeat myself. It was a live broadcast. By the way - if the documents confirming these facts had been published earlier - there would have been no book by Suvorov "Icebreaker", he would not have earned a very frail money for falsehood.
    I don’t want to say anything bad about your comment, but let it be known to you that the plans of preemptive strikes in various situations were developed even in the General Staff of Tsarist Russia and the General Staff of the USSR, and the General Staff of the Russian Federation have worked and are still working in this regard. You, I hope, understand the need for preparedness for various options for the development of a situational situation, both tactical and strategic. Yours faithfully hi
  26. petrovihdanil
    petrovihdanil 22 June 2016 21: 08
    +1
    These documents should have been declassified for a long time. And then all sorts of Rezuny, traitors to the Motherland, wrote a bunch of books to defame the USSR. That then they did not understand that an informational and ideological war was always waged against us. And she did not stop for a single moment. And the USSR was not defeated in the Cold War, as the Americans attribute it to itself, and it was ruined by three drunken morons: Alkash Yeltsin, liberal Shushkevich and Bandera messenger Kravchuk. Which place was right behind the bars or near the wall. But Gorbachev, a coward and a purchased associate of the West, sold everyone along with the traitor Yakovlev and ignored the referendum on the USSR and did not take any measures against them.
  27. masiya
    masiya 22 June 2016 21: 10
    -1
    Yes, gentlemen, minusculers, and if you can’t get the hell out of you ... according to the old Russian tradition, you probably don’t expect such a thing in your liberalistic environment ...
  28. Papin
    Papin 22 June 2016 21: 23
    0
    I'd like to read it!
    I wonder when they will publish?
  29. iouris
    iouris 22 June 2016 21: 25
    +1
    The Soviet people, the Soviet Union won the war. The Russian Federation is an anti-Soviet project. That says it all.
  30. Laspie
    Laspie 22 June 2016 21: 50
    -4
    But Rezun-Suvorov was never really denied. Recently, a program was broadcast on Russian television stating that the USSR was still preparing its first attack on Europe, but Hitler was ahead of it. They found someone to believe in Paulus.
    1. Two handed
      Two handed 23 June 2016 04: 56
      +3
      Attack Germany in 1941? Yes you are funny. The most primitive analysis of the military-political situation and industry of the parties leads to the conclusion that 1941 was the only year when Germany had a chance to defeat the USSR, which they did not fail to take advantage of. A blow to Europe, lol, as loudly said. And why not a blow to humanity? Beat the light elves? Beating pale-faced babies?
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 23 June 2016 10: 19
      0
      Paulus, by the way, was Field Marshal, and was not the last person in the Reich. But who Rezun-Suvorov is is unknown. Rather, it is known, a traitor, and in addition to betrayal in his life did nothing.
    3. iouris
      iouris 23 June 2016 10: 55
      0
      Quote: Laspie
      But Rezun-Suvorov, so no one really denied.

      Too much honor. Rezun's writings are an ideological war, not a science. The version of the preparation of the Soviet attack on Europe does not hold water, given the technological backwardness of the USSR, the volume of production, the state of the armed forces and the moral factor.
      In the event of a quick victory of the USSR over a united Europe led by Hitler Germany, the entry into the US war on the side of a united Europe was inevitable. The volume of production in the USA on the eve of the war reached 40% of the world; technologically, the USA is the most advanced country in the world. With the beginning of WWII, capital and gold from Europe moved to the United States. The US industry during WWII was never transferred to military rails (!). After the war, the United States - about 60% of world production and 70% of world gold.
      One of the main goals of US policy in Europe was the organization of a bloody war between the USSR and Germany, undermining the influence of the British Empire on the European continent. All these goals have been achieved. Ambassador A. Garriman reported in a famous report that, according to his estimates, the forces of the Russian people were irreversibly undermined.
      The main goal of Stalin was to retain power at any cost (!) And not allow himself to be drawn into a war with the United States. This goal has also been achieved. The huge losses of the USSR - this is the price that the US administration was ready to accept.
      It is important to understand this logic of the US administration today, when the world is in a similar situation. The USSR in 1991 reduced its population. Who is next?
  31. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 22 June 2016 21: 58
    0
    I look forward to the document. That's right. Hopefully there will be a link. Or someone from the members of the forum will give it
    1. disgraced shooter
      disgraced shooter 23 June 2016 02: 43
      -1
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      I look forward to the document. That's right. Hopefully there will be a link. Or someone from the members of the forum will give it

      wait wait) ,,,, but whether you wait for him is a question.
  32. Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 22 June 2016 23: 18
    +2
    To attack Germany is to get a war with three countries under the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo pact. Attention! after the Wehrmacht would land, and for a while bogged down in England, the USSR would be worth it, but in 1941 for sure - no. So Hitler from the East was not in danger.
    1. disgraced shooter
      disgraced shooter 23 June 2016 02: 39
      0
      You think if the USSR would attack Germany, the Allies would famously harness themselves) ,,,, but never would.
  33. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 23 June 2016 03: 10
    +1
    It seems that everyone knows that Hitler started Barbarossa not because he was afraid of a blow to Stalin in the back, in any case he did not talk about it. Why specifically? - opinions may be different. It is likely to deprive England of another ally and force it to surrender, as well as obtain land and resources, according to its Mein Kampf. German intelligence before the war discovered the concentration of Soviet troops and Hitler used it as an excuse for an attack, but he himself did not expect a blow. It has long been known that German intelligence did not find information that Stalin himself was planning to attack or could attack under some circumstances, and the German leadership did not warn about this. This is known. There are many memoirs of German superiors. What can Paulus' interrogations add to this? If there was anything else in the protocols, then it would follow that he said it under pressure, or did not say at all, and then these papers were written. All this had to be declassified a long time ago.
    1. disgraced shooter
      disgraced shooter 23 June 2016 16: 51
      -1
      It seems that everyone knows that Hitler started Barbarossa not because he was afraid of Stalin’s blow in the back
      Judging by numerous documents, he was most afraid of this. But Stalin was really scared already when a piece of Romania was chopped off without a fight, and there was oil nearby, and without this oil Adolf would be very ill).
  34. Mwg
    Mwg 23 June 2016 04: 11
    -2
    Funny article. They are trying to justify the absence of the USSR’s plans to attack the 3rd Reich by the absence of actually information about this in the 3rd Reich. So, did Reich 3 have intelligence, maybe it was dumb? And maybe the Soviet counterintelligence was excellent?
    1. Two handed
      Two handed 23 June 2016 04: 52
      +1
      sure sure. Therefore, on June 22, the Germans knew where all the Soviet units, depots, airfields, and the Soviet leadership ofigelo learned about the German attack.
  35. user3970
    user3970 23 June 2016 06: 07
    +3
    I repent. Itself once fell under the charm of Rezun-Suvorov. As for his betrayal .... Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Gaidar, and now Ivanov (general GRU-nek khukhra-mukhra) and the darkness of others ... Yes, he is a microbe in comparison with the above! The fact that Stalin and the Red Army were not going to FIRST to untie WWII was convinced by the following ... The famous TASS appeal of June 14, 1941. it was addressed to US President Roosevelt. Because in 1937, Roosevelt said, and in April 1941, the American Congress decided that if Germany attacks the USSR, then the United States will help the USSR, and if the Soviet Union attacks Germany or LETS EVERYTHING provoke itself, then the USA will help Germany. Next, read carefully.! MILITARY POTENTIALS AT THIS MOMENT WAS SUCH: GERMANY - 14, 4%; USSR - 14%; BRITISH EMPIRE - 6, 10%; USA - MORE THAN 2%; IMAGINE THAT THE USSR HAVE MADE HIMSELF TO PROVIDE ... HE GETS AGAINST HIMSELF A GERMAN GERMANY (WITH WHICH THE BRITISH EMPIRE IS PALMATING) AND THE USA. It is clear that Turkey and Japan are joining them. Stalin is a genius.
    1. Sower
      Sower 24 June 2016 17: 08
      +1
      What nonsense. By June 22.06.41, XNUMX Germany was at war with England. England was an ally of the United States. The USA was helping England to the utmost. There were no guns fired, but essentially America was already at war with Germany.
      But the appeal of TASS was primarily addressed to those and where it was read, and this is the USSR.
      Strange argumentation.
    2. Mwg
      Mwg 24 June 2016 17: 53
      +1
      For user3970. Rezun’s version seems to me very close to the truth. It’s just that the policy is manifested - it is multi-layered both in relation to goals and in relation to unions. In this situation, it does not matter who declared what and what alliances he made. It is important - who did something secretly at the same time. Only this can indicate true intentions. Here, for example, the Directives for the Red Army of the pre-war period and the outbreak of war. Has anyone posted them in the public domain? No? And why? Germany attacked the USSR in 1941, and the United States waited for two (?) Years with the opening of the 2nd front. And why?
      Yes, I.V. Dzhugashvili is a genius. And his genius was that he gave Hitler the opportunity to conquer all of Europe, and had the intention to hit him when Europe knelt (and the UK too). However, the Britons were more cunning and merged the plans of the USSR to Hitler. So the USSR had to fight without being ready for defense. Accordingly, the pre-prepared concept of war did not come to the realities of war. I had to change plans in the course of hostilities. is logical? Very relevant to the Rezun version.
      However, we won under the leadership of Stalin. And this is also his merit.
      But the cynics from the United States did not care with whom to agree on the result of World War II, they all the same had their own by the end of it. Hitler would have won, would have agreed with Hitler. And the communists from the USSR and their supporters, respectively, would be convicted, pasted with labels and still be under indemnities, reparations, etc. And no one knew better than Stalin at that moment. And therefore, when Hitler was defeated by the result of World War 2, and decently torn from the Western world, the position of the USSR strengthened disproportionately in Europe, and the United States had to agree on less favorable conditions for the future and very favorable for the USSR. It was the post-war victories in Stalin’s policy and the system of relations built by him in Europe that provoked his assassination and, at the same time, became the key to stability of the USSR until 2
  36. Orionvit
    Orionvit 23 June 2016 10: 15
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    Quote: Wend
    But I’m wondering why it took so long to publish these documents. It could have been done before.

    And how many more such documents. Let them dump more, otherwise Russia is already tired of constantly making excuses on any issue. And in general, excessive secrecy is good in moderation, otherwise it only plays into the hands of such as "Echo of Moscow".
    1. disgraced shooter
      disgraced shooter 23 June 2016 16: 40
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      Quote: Orionvit
      And how many more such documents. Let them dump more

      Yeah, they’ll throw you a whole cart and a cart in addition). Yes, it would be a real document, everyone would have posted it long ago ,,,,, like to read it. And so they secret and secret ,,,, means there is something to hide from the people.
  37. Selevc
    Selevc 23 June 2016 11: 09
    +3

    I can’t understand one thing about the war? Why are things like the bombing of Dresden and Hiroshima from Nagasaki and other Anglo-American feints of the 2nd World War still not recognized as crimes against humanity? After all, civilian objects were deliberately bombed and not military !!!
    These bombings had little effect on the course of hostilities. Intimidated intimidated, killed interrupted - but mainly children, women and the elderly !!!
    How is it in American way to water everyone and everything indiscriminately right and left - and then after time with a sweet smile of Judah, to blame atrocities for anyone but yourself !!!
  38. nnz226
    nnz226 24 June 2016 10: 59
    -1
    And why the hell were such documents kept under the stamp ?! Could have discovered 50 years ago, and there would have been no Western "vonism" in the style of the traitor Rezun with his delirium in "Icebreaker" about the USSR's desire to attack "white and fluffy" Hitlerite Germany. No - it was necessary to wait for the apotheosis of the screeching, and who will hear about Paulus's testimony from the snickering Gayropean ordinary people. And the screeching in the brain will remain!
    1. disgraced shooter
      disgraced shooter 24 June 2016 11: 43
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      Quote: nnz226
      And why the hell were such documents kept under the stamp ?! Could have discovered 50 years ago, and there would have been no Western "vonism" in the style of the traitor Rezun with his delirium in "Icebreaker" about the USSR's desire to attack "white and fluffy" Hitlerite Germany. No - it was necessary to wait for the apotheosis of the screeching, and who will hear about Paulus's testimony from the snickering Gayropean ordinary people. And the screeching in the brain will remain!

      Fake is not a document, and they won’t even show it to you. But I don’t understand what's wrong with Stalin wanting to attack Germany in July. She was at that time a world aggressor and not a small, peace-loving neutral Switzerland. For the liberation from Nazi Germany peoples of Europe. But if he would not be going then he would be a coward who wanted to sit out in his den.
  39. South Ural
    South Ural 24 June 2016 14: 09
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    Absolutely right. The USSR was in no way purely economically and militarily able to fight at least until 1942. Even without these documents, it is visible and clear to any thinking person who is not lazy - the country is rearming. Everyone knows that. that the T-34 was adopted and put into production in December 1940, new aircraft, etc. After all, it is necessary to rebuild the production base and train personnel for them. and you won’t do it in two months. And the scale? WHAT SCOPE OF WORK NEEDED TO BE DONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

    And new documents for historians to work is always good!
  40. Sower
    Sower 24 June 2016 17: 03
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    What kind of idiocy?
    Base the version on the testimony of the enemy. Where are the documents of the USSR?
    German reconnaissance was deeply mistaken. I didn’t know about tanks, the level of armament of soldiers and deployment. As a result, we lost. And we are trying to justify something with this nonsense. This is the height of idiocy.
  41. Old warrior
    Old warrior 25 June 2016 11: 21
    +1
    The USSR simply wanted to Live, and the world bastard in every way interfered with it.
    Naive Chukchi youth: Hitler was nurtured by the Anglo-Saxon clique to fight the Soviet Union.
    1. disgraced shooter
      disgraced shooter 25 June 2016 14: 26
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      Hitler was nurtured by the Anglo-Saxon clique to fight the Soviet Union
      Judging by the documents of Stalin, he also put a lot of effort into cultivating Hitler.
  42. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 25 June 2016 17: 49
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    Our army has been re-armed with might and main, what an attack there is! Addicts who think so. Can I have the documents themselves? Well, there are links or scans ....