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Media: Navy armed with torpedo "Case"

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It is expected that at the end of the year the Russian Navy will adopt the deep-water torpedo "Case", which is currently undergoing state tests, reports TASS Post your source in the DIC.

Media: Navy armed with torpedo "Case"
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According to the source, the "Case" is a "modernized version of the recently adopted" Physicist "self-guided torpedo.

“Now the new version of the torpedo is undergoing state tests on the Issyk-Kul lake in Kyrgyzstan. They are scheduled to be completed at the end of the year. If they succeed, the torpedo will be adopted, and in 2017, the serial production of this marine weapons“- said the source.

He noted that "the new torpedo will be, like its predecessor, heat, but will be able to be controlled from the board of the submarine."

"The Case" will also receive an improved homing system with an increased range of capture of an underwater target. The firing range, travel speed and maximum depth of fire from the submarine will remain the same - 50 kilometers, more than 50 nodes, 400 meters, respectively, ”said a source.

The new torpedo "will first of all arm the nuclear submarines of the 955 (A) Borey and 885 (M) Yasen" projects, "he said, adding that" with the launch of serial production of the Cases, the release of the Physicists will cease. "

According to the information, the order for the production of new torpedoes will be placed at the Dagdiesel plant.
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  1. Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 June 2016 13: 51
    +33
    Well, yes, "Case" ... It's like a "Wooden Mac" for friends from NATA ...
    1. jjj
      jjj 22 June 2016 13: 54
      +17
      They solve a little torpedo question
      1. Comrade Schucher
        Comrade Schucher 22 June 2016 14: 09
        +5
        Quote: from article
        - 50 kilometer, more than 50 knots, 400 meters, respectively, ”the source said.

        There are no kilometers on the seas, there are miles and cable - if 50 km, then 27 nautical miles respectively.
        And so, the "gift" is very good for suppression, so to speak.
        1. kote119
          kote119 22 June 2016 15: 09
          +12
          SEA has both miles and kilometers
          1. Astor
            Astor 23 June 2016 08: 03
            0
            Quote: kote119
            SEA has both miles and kilometers

            Of course there are kilometers, but they are somehow incomprehensible at sea. The nautical mile is the minute of the arc of the meridian, 1852 m or, like the English, 6080 feet (1853 m). In addition, the author mixed kilometers with knots.
        2. cniza
          cniza 22 June 2016 15: 10
          +18
          I like our names of weapons ... "physicist" will decompose into atoms ... "case" will be packed forever.
        3. kamikaze
          kamikaze 22 June 2016 16: 44
          -9
          and where is the vaunted high-speed torpedo SHKVAL. there is no news about her. am am am
          1. Kite
            Kite 22 June 2016 18: 05
            +11
            Quote: kamikaze
            and where is the vaunted high-speed torpedo SHKVAL

            - she (him - a flurry) is already over 30, and you are all looking for him in the news. laughing
          2. INTA_VEGA
            INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 10: 18
            0
            Everything has its time. In the news they’ll tell lies, of course, but they’ll tell you exactly what.
          3. Ustinov 055 055
            Ustinov 055 055 24 June 2016 14: 59
            0
            Quote: kamikaze
            and where is the vaunted high-speed torpedo SHKVAL

            Long been in service
        4. Persistent
          Persistent 22 June 2016 22: 01
          +2
          And so, the "gift" is very good for suppression, so to speak.

          For example, Kuku, who already has two flights ... When she breaks the board, she will say to the dumbfounded mattress makers "Well, pour!" "With a date" !! laughing
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 22 June 2016 14: 10
        .
        Quote: jjj
        They solve a little torpedo question
        Decide, yes. About "Ash" is understandable. But "Borey" .. Maybe someone will explain why SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes? With whom is the strategist going to enter a torpedo duel? Or maybe the enemy surface ships will sink?
        1. Hon
          Hon 22 June 2016 14: 16
          +17
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Decide, yes. About "Ash" is understandable. But "Borey" .. Maybe someone will explain why SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes? With whom is the strategist going to enter a torpedo duel? Or maybe the enemy surface ships will sink?

          and if there is a need to destroy an enemy ship, and only the strategic submarine will be the closest?
          1. Vorobey-1
            Vorobey-1 22 June 2016 15: 35
            +5
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Quote: jjj
            They solve a little torpedo question
            Decide, yes. About "Ash" is understandable. But "Borey" .. Maybe someone will explain why SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes? With whom is the strategist going to enter a torpedo duel? Or maybe the enemy surface ships will sink?

            It’s understandable that one strategist doesn’t go around, at least one multi-purpose guard is nearby, but in case of an attack on a group, an extra torpedo gun will not hurt that it’s better to stand like a ram or help!?
            if even without security (which I doubt), at least there is a chance
        2. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 22 June 2016 14: 17
          +18
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Maybe someone will explain why the SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes?

          For defense.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 22 June 2016 14: 34
            -9
            Quote: Hon
            and if there is a need to destroy an enemy ship, and only the strategic submarine will be the closest?
            To risk a significant part of the strategic nuclear forces? Is it too wasteful?
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            For defense.
            From whom? How do you imagine an underwater duel between Boreas and Virginia or Ohio?
            Quote: gg.na
            There are different situations in life .. So let them be
            Well, then let's hook up air-to-air missiles on the Tu-160, because the cases are different. In my opinion, the torpedo armament of such nuclear submarines, solving the only task of "retaliation" on enemy territory, is an anachronism. Or a tribute to naval traditions smile
            If anyone has read the cycle of stories by Eduard Ovechkin "Sharks from Steel" (who have not read it, I recommend it, he writes better than Pokrovsky), he concluded that a miner as a strategist is the most unnecessary specialty. yes
            PS Wait to minus, just think.
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 22 June 2016 14: 48
              +9
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              From whom? How do you imagine an underwater duel between Boreas and Virginia or Ohio?

              The submarine can be tracked, the submarines or ships of the likely enemy, all countries are building SSBNs with torpedo weapons.
              In the United States, Ohio has 4 torpedo tubes 16 weapons in the torpedo compartment, French and English submarines also have torpedo weapons.

              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Well, then let's hook up air-to-air missiles on the Tu-160,

              By the way, Americans are going to install air-to-air missiles on bombers. Moreover, they already install radars with AFAR on B-1B and B2.
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 22 June 2016 15: 00
                0
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                The United States Ohio has 4 torpedo tubes 16 weapons in the torpedo compartment,
                Damn, I didn't mean Ohio, but Los Angeles. In short, multipurpose or strike submarines, sharpened, including for the destruction of SSBNs. What can a clumsy strategist oppose to such a "fish"?
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Americans, by the way, are going to install air-to-air missiles on bombers
                Gosha! Thank you did not know hi
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 22 June 2016 20: 38
                  +1
                  Gosha! Thank you did not know


                  And what are they not going to do with us? A long time ago there were rumors about arming a part of the TU-160 with ultra-long explosive missiles for the defense of a group of bombers.
                  1. prorab_ak
                    prorab_ak 23 June 2016 11: 14
                    0
                    Yeah, and with what to induce? Than to accompany and highlight? fool
            2. Amurets
              Amurets 22 June 2016 14: 52
              +2
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Wait minus, just think.

              And I'm not in a hurry. Remember Katyusha in the North, and not only. How many submarines used artillery during the Second World War. And the use of torpedoes for self-defense is not an exception, but a rule. So weapons are never superfluous.
            3. Stena
              Stena 22 June 2016 14: 53
              +5
              Torpedoes are also needed to break the ice thick (when the thickness of the ice is not important - but you need to surface and make a volley). And for defense, of course.
            4. just exp
              just exp 22 June 2016 16: 21
              +1
              and if the Amer ICAPL comes out to attack Borey, should he defend himself? and if necessary, how?
            5. Forest
              Forest 22 June 2016 20: 24
              0
              And they are going to put long-range air-to-air missiles on strategists. If an enemy submarine appears, then the submarine without TA will have the enemy a snack.
            6. mine
              mine 17 March 2017 14: 25
              +1
              before smacking nonsense - it's better to think YOU yourself
              Well, "Ykspert" Ovechkin level Pokrovsky.
              That chem, this one is hold. And in the fleet, "I saw the hold - kill"
        3. gg.na
          gg.na 22 June 2016 14: 29
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          by whom is the strategist going to engage in a torpedo duel? Or maybe enemy surface ships will sink?

          In life, there are different situations, and even in hostilities in general, everything happens unexpectedly and unexpectedly. So let them be and are not needed than when they are not and have to go to hand-to-hand combat what after surfacing.
        4. sub307
          sub307 22 June 2016 14: 38
          +12
          "With whom is the strategist going to enter a torpedo duel?"
          With a submarine interfering with the "main event" - the launch of an ICBM ... for example. Well ... and for self-defense, respectively. Well ..., more ice "to crack" pack ..., why - do not I hope to explain? So, this is not a "superfluous" weapon.
        5. kote119
          kote119 22 June 2016 15: 10
          +2
          Well, for example, for self-defense
        6. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 22 June 2016 15: 25
          +3
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Quote: jjj
          They solve a little torpedo question
          Decide, yes. About "Ash" is understandable. But "Borey" .. Maybe someone will explain why SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes? With whom is the strategist going to enter a torpedo duel? Or maybe the enemy surface ships will sink?

          And what should he defend himself against from DEPL hunting him? He walks without a frame, though a cruiser, but still underwater.
          1. prorab_ak
            prorab_ak 23 June 2016 11: 19
            0
            What are diesel-electric submarines ??? do you even look at the radius of the DEPL combat duty ... they’re splashing like kids in the paddling pool ... and now think about where the sectors of the military alert duty of strategic missile carriers are. For the SSBN, only atomic forces are chasing. And DEPLs to sink ships off their shores.
        7. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 22 June 2016 17: 03
          +6
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Decide, yes. About "Ash" is understandable. But "Borey" .. Maybe someone will explain why SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes? With whom is the strategist going to enter a torpedo duel? Or maybe the enemy surface ships will sink?

          Stupid question, from the topic:
          Why do airplanes need guns? After all, there is no melee ....
          Why do gunners need a personal weapon? After all, they do not directly enter the battle ....
          Why on the tank machine gun? Indeed, ATGM flies much further .... And others .... and so on .....

          In war, anything can happen.
          And it is better that at the right moment you had it, than it was not ....
        8. Koshak
          Koshak 22 June 2016 18: 46
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Maybe someone will explain why the SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes? With whom is the strategist going to engage in a torpedo duel? Or maybe enemy surface ships will sink?

          What about submarines - submarine hunters? If such a step comes to the tail of a strategist, how can we fight off it?
        9. Horst78
          Horst78 22 June 2016 20: 00
          0
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Maybe someone will explain why the SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes? With whom is the strategist going to engage in a torpedo duel? Or maybe enemy surface ships will sink?

          Since Soviet times, the tactics of missile carriers - to bypass the enemy fleet, shoot missiles, shoot torpedoes at previously bypassing enemy ships. It seems like it was.
        10. Rambylbafen
          Rambylbafen 22 June 2016 20: 11
          0
          it's like a machine gun on a tank or a bomber a rocket against an airplane repeat , for solving secondary problems hi
        11. Rambylbafen
          Rambylbafen 22 June 2016 20: 11
          0
          it's like a machine gun on a tank or a bomber a rocket against an airplane repeat , for solving secondary problems hi
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 22 June 2016 14: 25
        +1
        Quote: jjj
        They solve a little torpedo question

        "Case" is apparently a transitional stage from "Physics" to "Ichthyosaurus" ... but on "Ichthyosaur" there is very little information ...
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 22 June 2016 13: 56
      +9
      Deep meeting: Well hello Ohio! I am a Hard Case!
    3. Maksus
      Maksus 22 June 2016 14: 10
      -2
      I wonder why the tests are carried out in Kyrgyzstan? Is there a NATO base there, aren't they afraid of a leak?
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 22 June 2016 14: 22
        0
        Quote: Maksus
        I wonder why the tests are carried out in Kyrgyzstan? Is there a NATO base there, aren't they afraid of a leak?

        This is for you dear! .... laughing Present..! hi
        Specially shot from above! The truck is also top-secret ...
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 22 June 2016 20: 45
          0
          Harya, I would be silent, sofa fighter)
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 22 June 2016 14: 43
        0
        Quote: Maksus
        I wonder why the tests are carried out in Kyrgyzstan? Is there a NATO base there, aren't they afraid of a leak?

        What is the leak? Everything is closed there. And the base itself was declassified in 2005.
        http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1122931080
      3. Humpty
        Humpty 22 June 2016 20: 04
        +1
        Quote: Maksus
        I wonder why the tests are carried out in Kyrgyzstan? Is there a NATO base there, aren't they afraid of a leak?

        Oh-oh-oh ... Tohto steam locomotive. What is translated into Russian - stop train, once or twice. Not my "-", but deserved. Kyrgyzstan is a unique country not only for several natural objects, but also for the fact that it was able, not without external support, to close the American base. And who would invite the Americans to the test. And the torpedo range has not been closed since the days of the union.
      4. mine
        mine 17 March 2017 14: 26
        0
        because the journalist wanted so much
        just like "something was conceived" about "Dagdiesel" to write
    4. Pavel1
      Pavel1 22 June 2016 16: 50
      0
      articles in fuel are becoming like captions for pictures, even if they led to something to discuss.
  2. dsm100
    dsm100 22 June 2016 13: 56
    +7
    "Physicist", "Case" someone comes up with names with humor. wink
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 June 2016 14: 01
      +2
      Quote: dsm100
      "Physicist", "Case" someone comes up with names with humor.

      Most likely the Case is UGST-M (with the TPS-53 thermal propulsive system, the speed can reach 65 knots, and the maximum range is 60 km.).
      1. mine
        mine 17 March 2017 14: 27
        0
        most likely you write nonsense
  3. FID
    FID 22 June 2016 13: 57
    +7
    At a depth of 400 meters, the speed is 50 knots ... Very impressive, very!
    1. mine
      mine 17 March 2017 14: 28
      +1
      anything that Mk48 has over 60?
      Yes, and we also have far from 50
  4. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 22 June 2016 13: 57
    +8
    Great name) in general, the name of military equipment is the strong point of our military)) the next torpedo can be called a mac. Wooden. Once and the "partners" are dressed and tidied)
  5. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 22 June 2016 13: 58
    0
    He noted that "the new torpedo will be, like its predecessor, heat, but will be able to be controlled from the board of the submarine."

    And that the Physicist cannot be controlled from a submarine? Does she seem to have telecontrol? Moreover, it seems that the latest modifications of the USET-80 had telecontrol.
    According to the source, the "Case" is a "modernized version of the recently adopted" Physicist "self-guided torpedo.

    Well, does it make sense to take the Physicist into service, so that in a year it’s already possible to re-equip the capacities for the production of more modern torpedoes?
    How many Physicists will have time to make there in a year? 10-20 torpedoes?
    1. just exp
      just exp 22 June 2016 16: 44
      +1
      Duc production of the case will be at the production facilities of physicists.
      read the same torpedo, decl filling is different.
    2. INTA_VEGA
      INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 13: 01
      0
      The point, of course, is to improve product performance. Moreover, there, it seems, only the head is changing. What kind of refurbishment of capacities can we talk about at all? In the manufacture of torpedoes there is not much equipment, especially in the production of only a couple of dozen products per month.
      Mortgage technicians well done, congratulations!
      1. mine
        mine 17 March 2017 14: 29
        0
        With what? "congratulate"? Another journalistic "drop out of the closet"?
        1. INTA_VEGA
          INTA_VEGA 18 March 2017 08: 17
          0
          What does the journalism have to do with it? The company was congratulated on the fact that it lives, and manages to outsmart its competitor Gidropribor.
          1. mine
            mine 19 March 2017 13: 20
            0
            in which place Morteplo "competitor" "Hydra"? What kind of mushrooms do you smoke?
            Morteplo SLAVE Hydra with 2004
            1. INTA_VEGA
              INTA_VEGA 21 March 2017 19: 56
              0
              Have you fallen overboard for a long time? The concern is mired in litigation and is a fiction. Especially after the last failures ...
              Now the loot for MTT and Hydra is given targeted by program. For him and the struggle.
              1. mine
                mine 22 March 2017 01: 04
                0
                Quote: INTA_VEGA
                Have you fallen overboard for a long time? The concern is mired in litigation and is a fiction

                Hmm ... fences YOUR fly agarics ...
                especially considering that KTO Rusakova put on the post ...

                Quote: INTA_VEGA
                Especially after the last failures ...

                after the last failures, finally something similar to their clearing

                Quote: INTA_VEGA
                Now the loot for MTT and Hydra is given targeted by program. For him and the fight

                YOU just have no idea about the subject of conversation
  6. dsm100
    dsm100 22 June 2016 13: 59
    +3
    The name is great. I'm talking about something with humor.
  7. soroKING
    soroKING 22 June 2016 14: 01
    0
    I suggest the following name - reservoir good
  8. masiya
    masiya 22 June 2016 14: 02
    +3
    Everything that is not being done to increase the combat readiness of the Navy is a blessing for the RF Armed Forces, especially the submarine fleet, even if NATO and Amers reduce their jaw from anger ...
  9. sever.56
    sever.56 22 June 2016 14: 03
    +10
    At one time we had to visit both the "Dagdizel" and the "French" (as we called the manufacturing plant in Frunze, Kirghiz SSR). I can say that their production base is excellent, the specialists are great. In the 90s, when a drunk, they wanted to start up the plant in Kaspiysk for scrap metal, thank God, there were admirals and scientists who were able to convince that this would be a state crime.
    Our torpedo weapon was always better than the American one, and they were happy to catch somewhere in the Barents Sea our training torpedo that had gone astray. For more than twenty years of work in the military. where I was repairing torpedoes, there were only two such cases. And even then they caught torpedoes of the development of the early 60s.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 22 June 2016 14: 48
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      Our torpedo weapon was always better than the American

      Well, you turned it down .... we in torpedo armament lagged behind the West for 80-90 years and pretty much .... give an example where our torpedoes are better than the NATO ones? ... which ones ??
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 22 June 2016 15: 23
        +7
        Quote: gispanec
        Well, you bent it .... we in torpedo armament over the 80-90 years lagged behind the west and pretty much ....

        I was engaged in the repair of torpedoes "A" equipment, if this tells you something, if you don’t know I’ll explain it - this is a homing equipment. He did it from 1973 to 1996. In the 80s - 90s, at least seven new types of torpedoes were adopted, with different characteristics and types of guidance, which I personally maintained and repaired. So you don't need to talk about what you don't know.

        Quote: gispanec
        . give an example where our torpedoes are better than NATO? ... which ones ??

        No dear, you should give me an example of the fact that we "lagged behind the West, and quite strongly", as you say. All your words are nothing more than idle talk of a person who does not own any information on the topic.

        Quote: gispanec
        .which exactly ??

        Maybe you still need to lay out drawings and instructions for operation, maintenance and repair ???
        PS What do you have to do with torpedo weapons? Are you a developer, engineer, or service and repair specialist?
        1. xtur
          xtur 22 June 2016 16: 05
          +1
          > So there is no need to talk about what you do not know.


          I have one question for you - one of the famous authors, by nickname LJ mina030 / Maxim Klimov, regularly says that Russia is far behind the West in torpedoes

          did you read his articles?
        2. gispanec
          gispanec 22 June 2016 20: 55
          -1
          Quote: sever.56
          What do you have to do with torpedo weapons? You are a developer, engineer

          a utilizer ..)) .. this time, two you left the direct answer ... three - it is very familiar with the submariner ... from the 1st compartment ... he told a lot of things (+ read a lot of literature) ... unfortunately, our torpedoes are catching up (according to performance characteristics) NATO .... and not always successfully .... you are our developer))
        3. mine
          mine 17 March 2017 14: 33
          0
          Quote: sever.56
          this is homing equipment. Did this from 1973 to 1996 year. In the 80's and 90's, at least seven new types of torpedoes were adopted, with various characteristics and types of guidance, which I personally serviced and repaired.

          YOU better to be silent with this nonsense ...
          otherwise I can uncover by specialty - THIN LAYER
      2. Good_Taxist
        Good_Taxist 22 June 2016 16: 07
        -1
        "Squall"
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 23 June 2016 08: 35
          +1
          Quote: Good_Taxist
          "Squall"

          what a flurry? ... better? ... what ?? - specifically! .. or did you just hear about the barrage that it is?
    2. mine
      mine 17 March 2017 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      Our torpedo weapon was always better than the American

      what kind of grass do you smoke?
      Quote: sever.56
      For more than twenty years of work in the military. where I was repairing torpedoes, there were only two such cases

      YOU would be better not to mention “work in the industry” - not to disgrace
  10. Verdun
    Verdun 22 June 2016 14: 03
    +3
    "The new torpedo will be, like its predecessor, thermal, but it can be controlled from the side of the submarine."

    “The Case will also receive an improved homing system with an increased range of underwater target acquisition.
    Since there is a torred with such guidance capabilities, it means that the submarines with which it will be armed have appropriate means of detecting the enemy, which, however, is good.
  11. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 22 June 2016 14: 06
    +5
    The normal principle is to shoot and forget .... guaranteed destruction of the submarine .... everyone will be in the "Case" ... laughing
  12. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 22 June 2016 14: 16
    +1
    Production in Dagestan, and trials in Issyk-Kul, in Kyrgyzstan.
    It is clear that the lake is deep-sea, but are there really no such ones in Russia?
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 22 June 2016 14: 45
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Production in Dagestan, and trials in Issyk-Kul, in Kyrgyzstan.
      It is clear that the lake is deep-sea, but are there really no such ones in Russia?


      A closed deep-water reservoir, there is no one to stare at the trials. Water properties are similar to marine.
    2. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 22 June 2016 15: 00
      +1
      It is necessary to dig)))
      Baikal is a pity. Still useful)
      1. just exp
        just exp 22 June 2016 16: 41
        +1
        Baikal freshwater. Issyk Kul like with a marine climate or something like that.
    3. INTA_VEGA
      INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 13: 07
      +1
      A rare example when the test station was saved from the time of the USSR.
      Moreover, the place is really successful.
  13. vadimtt
    vadimtt 22 June 2016 14: 18
    +1
    The photo does not seem to be the torpedo about which the news bully
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 22 June 2016 14: 26
      0
      Quote: vadimtt
      The photo does not seem to be the torpedo about which the news bully

      But the devil knows what there ....! Some kind of zagogulin ...
  14. Stena
    Stena 22 June 2016 14: 29
    -3
    On the one hand, it is joyful, on the other, it is sad. Now all the leading torpedo-producing countries are making electric torpedoes, not thermal ones. The range, in comparison with foreigners, is not high. The speed is not high. Nothing is said about the guidance system here. I hope - everything is reliable, but apparently, in this matter - "on bezrybe and a" physicist "with a" case "- fish! I would like to hear the opinion of competent comrades (it seems a specialist with a call sign - MINA).
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 22 June 2016 14: 59
      0
      I agree. But the lag is closing
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 22 June 2016 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: Stena
      On the one hand, it is joyful, on the other, it is sad. Now all the leading torpedo-producing countries are making electric torpedoes, not thermal ones. The range, in comparison with foreigners, is not high. The speed is not high. Nothing is said about the guidance system here. I hope - everything is reliable, but apparently, in this matter - "on bezrybe and a" physicist "with a" case "- fish! I would like to hear the opinion of competent comrades (it seems a specialist with a call sign - MINA).

      And you can find out what kind of torpedoes are in service with the United States? Just really not interested in the topic, but what I found - Mark_48 for the same 50 km - 40 nodes. Our 50 to 50.
      1. Stena
        Stena 22 June 2016 16: 30
        0
        Recently there was an article on VO, as well as on the military-industrial complex. The author - it seems Maxim Klimov (nickname MINA). He has everything laid out and TTX (open sources). Unfortunately, I can’t give a link - I don’t know how to search in VO ...
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 June 2016 18: 53
      0
      Quote: Stena
      make electric torpedoes, not thermal ones.

      MK-48, Spirfish, thermal torpedoes, and quite modern
      German DM2A4 and Italian blackshark electric.
      Quote: Stena
      The range, compared with foreigners, is not high. Speed ​​is not high.

      Foreigners have the same range and speed.
      1. INTA_VEGA
        INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 13: 22
        +2
        For your information, the arsenal of the Russian Federation consists of both thermal and electric torpedoes. With the advent of thermal physicists, it was possible to solve the problems of deep-sea torpedo firing with a thermal mover.
        For 80-90, the lag was significantly reduced: a new multicomponent fuel was developed (for the UGST family (Physics, etc.), a new element base for the SSN of underwater weapons was obtained, new engines were developed, new algorithms for the operation of the SSN were applied. to modernize the "heads" of torpedoes already in service.
        Of the non-integrated Western technologies, this is the use of lithium-polymer batteries. We hope that the Gidropribor, if it is three times wrong, will not spoil all polymers and that a thread will give out in this direction.
        And according to Maxim is another story. Just don't draw conclusions from open sources. He with his chases and scarecrows was 6-8 years behind. Judging by the news, even this one, all decisions to restore order in the mine business have already been taken.
        1. Stena
          Stena 23 June 2016 16: 00
          +1
          Quote: INTA_VEGA
          Judging by the news, even this one, all decisions to restore order in the mine business have already been taken.

          Glad to hear the good news. Thanks for the info!
        2. mine
          mine 17 March 2017 14: 41
          0
          Monsieur, you don’t need to drag your cockroaches (etc. fantasies) to the forum
          1. INTA_VEGA
            INTA_VEGA 18 March 2017 08: 21
            0
            Justify your position, more specifically. But only the air is pushed away from indignation, but in fact - zero.
            There is something to object to - write, and flooding is a meaningless lesson.
            1. mine
              mine 19 March 2017 13: 22
              0
              fart here you deigned
              I have more than enough arguments in the articles, and so far there have been NO real objections from YOU (except for "puffing out" and "big eyes")
              1. INTA_VEGA
                INTA_VEGA 21 March 2017 20: 03
                0
                Quote: mina
                except for "cheeks" and "big eyes"

                Do not judge others by yourself, otherwise you start to look silly.
                Show your crazy articles. And then "arguments", "arguments", and you can’t connect two words, from you so far only one flood and rudeness.
                Who are you anyway? Name at least where were published, writer?
                1. INTA_VEGA
                  INTA_VEGA 21 March 2017 20: 52
                  0
                  mina, you can not respond to the previous message, found your articles on the military-industrial complex. They would immediately say that the "old sea wolf" and generally clever in torpedoes, otherwise they began to call names smile
  15. Engineer
    Engineer 22 June 2016 14: 35
    0
    And what kind of liberal minus set?)
    1. Stena
      Stena 22 June 2016 14: 48
      +1
      I put a minus article. For the topic is poorly disclosed, from my point of view, naturally. For us, the torpedo is not important in itself, but the ability to drown the enemy with its help. If she has a firing range (I'm not talking about accuracy here) - 50 kilometers (and, for example, the British (spearfish), Americans (MK 53, in my opinion) and Europeans - a range of 50 nautical miles (at least 2 times more), which Well, then rejoice then? Moreover, the electric torpedoes are less noisy and faster. And we - all the old fashioned way ...
      One thing pleases - work is underway. And perhaps in the near future and on our street will be the latest high-performance torpedo ..
      PS No matter how liberal I am .... It’s just my face smile
      1. INTA_VEGA
        INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 13: 25
        0
        Yes, again zhurnalyushki write heresy and copy. From the first physicist, the characteristics should have been equalized. With the new product, the travel distance is definitely no less than the spearfish. Obviously, the pen leader saw the distance designation in miles and did not understand what kind of dimension it was.

        "Don't read the newspapers."
        1. mine
          mine 17 March 2017 15: 03
          0
          Tell the tales of the grandchildren ...
          1. INTA_VEGA
            INTA_VEGA 18 March 2017 08: 23
            0
            You will give advice to your children. In the case, in the case, let's be more specific.
            1. mine
              mine 19 March 2017 13: 23
              0
              Flood your dumb cover
              1. INTA_VEGA
                INTA_VEGA 21 March 2017 20: 09
                0
                Well, about my advice, you, a fighter, remember ... but the case is nothing new, right?
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 22 March 2017 10: 36
        0
        Quote: Stena
        If she has a firing range ... 50 kilometers, and the British, Americans and Europeans - the range 50 nautical miles (at least 2 times larger) ...

        - um ... what kind of "nautical mile" is this? what
        - then twice two - this is "where is the seven-eight", right?
  16. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 22 June 2016 14: 41
    0
    Quote: vadimtt
    The photo does not seem to be the torpedo about which the news bully

    In which photo you saw a torpedo, if in the text of the article, it’s just a case for a torpedo.
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 June 2016 14: 41
    0
    Damn, all these torpedoes "look the same."
    Well, believe the word that is good.
    In Syria, you won’t check it ...
  18. OlegLex
    OlegLex 22 June 2016 14: 42
    +1
    Firing range, speed and ultimate depth of fire from the board of the submarine will remain the same - 50 kilometers, more than 50 knots, 400 meters, respectively ”

    This is some kind of transder, the speed of a torpedo under water under a hundred km / h, that is, at the maximum range to the target in half an hour it will run. This is cosmic velocity for the aquatic environment. And if we take into account that the detection of a torpedo by NATO warriors is carried out within a radius of ten miles (read almost twenty) with a guarantee of 85% (that is, they breached a little bit). So they found the alarms screaming and didn’t have anything else. gift on board
  19. sub307
    sub307 22 June 2016 14: 53
    +3
    About "Physicist":
    "Universal deep-sea homing torpedo. Development of a torpedo began on the theme of the ROC UGST" Physicist "in 1986 at the Research Institute" Morteplotekhnika "(St. Petersburg), the torpedo homing system was developed by the State Research and Production Enterprise" Region ", an alternative version of the SSN - Central Research Institute" Gidropribor " The torpedo is designed to destroy surface ships and submarines (universal). The APD engine developed by the Research Institute "Morteplotekhnika" was tested in 1995. The torpedo was adopted by the Russian Navy in 2002 and as of 2003 is offered for export. demonstrated in 2003 at the IMDS-2003 maritime show in St. Petersburg. By default, the data of the UGST torpedo for torpedo tubes of the Russian standard. Serial production of UGST torpedoes as of 2008 was carried out at the Dagdizel plant (Kaspiysk, Dagestan) .http: //militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-455.html
    1. mine
      mine 17 March 2017 15: 04
      0
      militarirash is not a resource, but a garbage can, and half of the data is personal LIRE DIMMI
  20. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 22 June 2016 14: 57
    +2
    The best news of the week. "Dagdizel drives"! fellow
    1. mine
      mine 17 March 2017 15: 05
      0
      He has nothing to do with her
  21. W1975
    W1975 22 June 2016 15: 05
    0
    The State Department is worried, are you going to bullet them in us? We are just expanding peacefully and that’s why you need new torpedoes.
  22. sinoptic
    sinoptic 22 June 2016 15: 12
    -2
    Interestingly, is there progress on the control coil? ... or all the same, towed.
    Already more than 20 years have passed, but we all can’t catch the Mk-48, the depth of immersion is still 1.5 times greater.

    Dagdiesel! Come on, push up!
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 22 June 2016 20: 30
      0
      and who told you that we are behind torpedo boats ???? Sivkov ??? believe mattresses on TTX is not very correct .. YOU saw the shooting .. or at least a report with the sign SV recourse
      1. INTA_VEGA
        INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 13: 32
        0
        There is an alternative opinion that the telecontrol of torpedo weapons did not give up at all, in the current conditions of the appearance of powerful small-sized computer systems, even taking into account the complexity of the jamming situation.
        Launched, forgot completely true principle.
        Yes, and Dagdiesel and so handsome - the tails are excellent.
        1. mine
          mine 17 March 2017 15: 07
          0
          there is a well-founded opinion that YOU, but telecontrol torpedoes still VERY necessary
          at least because of the small difference between torpedo speeds and targets
          1. INTA_VEGA
            INTA_VEGA 18 March 2017 08: 50
            0
            Quote: mina
            and the remote control of the torpedoes is still VERY necessary, due to the small difference between the torpedo speeds and targets

            What, nafig, the difference in speed when shooting in the wake track?
            The difference in speed is relevant only when firing in a “catch-up”, when the enemy dumps at full speed when a launch is detected. But the boat at maximum speed is yummy for the CCH.
            It is obvious that the enemy’s boat will have time to shoot back before dying / der. You are “tying” our submarine to the launch site of a torpedo with TU - you knowingly put it in a vulnerable position.

            Than you still cute "coil", do not hesitate to tell.
            Quote: mina
            There is a reasonable opinion that YOU

            Do not disgrace, let us be adequate without going to the individual. It’s better to learn how to formulate your arguments, and not cheek out of indignation.
            1. mine
              mine 18 March 2017 22: 55
              +1
              Quote: INTA_VEGA
              What, nafig, the difference in speed when shooting in the wake track?

              yes such that, when re-adjusting the same 53-65K from 45uz / 19 km to 48uz / 16 km, the effective Dz (volley range) increased NOT LESS than on the 5 cable (from the "standard")

              Quote: INTA_VEGA
              The difference in speed is relevant only when firing in a “catch-up”, when the enemy dumps at full speed when a launch is detected.

              don't bullshit hurt her

              Quote: INTA_VEGA
              But the boat at maximum speed is yummy for the CCH.

              is it "ducks in the dianna" that they told you?
              Unlike you, what is “Los” “tearing” from 2 salvos to “maximum” (with pointing at it) I know not by Murzil, but at sea — the distances were such that on the secondary search, after the “dump” "Los", a torpedo was aimed at us
              Quote: INTA_VEGA
              Than you still cute "coil", do not hesitate to tell.

              Sane it is obvious
              Quote: INTA_VEGA
              It’s better to learn how to formulate your arguments, and not cheek out of indignation.

              the argumentation is more than enough ... for some only with the "understander" it’s shitty (in spite of the show-off huts)
              1. INTA_VEGA
                INTA_VEGA 18 March 2017 23: 58
                +1
                Quote: mina
                yes such that, when re-adjusting the same 53-65K from 45uz / 19 km to 48uz / 16 km, the effective Dz (volley range) increased NOT LESS than on the 5 cable (from the "standard")

                And what does telecontrol have to do with it. Moreover, you answer the thesis about "homing along the wake of the boat."
                Quote: mina
                don’t smack nonsense, it hurts ... did they “tell” you “ducks in the dianna”?

                Wow, the new issue of "pop with accordion."
                those. do you think that the boat at full speed in the "screws to the GOS" position has the same capture distance as the "standing" one?
                Quote: mina
                Sane it is obvious

                This is obvious to adherents of the reel sect.
                In addition to the speed difference, no arguments were received from you.
                Quote: mina
                some only with the "understand" sucks (despite the huts ponte)

                Less pathos, more arguments. While Ponte is just coming from you:
                Quote: mina
                Unlike you, what is “Los” “tearing” from 2 salvos to “maximum” (with pointing at it) I know not by Murzil, but at sea — the distances were such that on the secondary search, after the “dump” "Los", a torpedo was aimed at us

                The grass is strong, it's over, but in what year did the elk dream of you?
                1. mine
                  mine 19 March 2017 13: 28
                  0
                  Quote: INTA_VEGA
                  And what does telecontrol have to do with it. Moreover, you answer the thesis about "homing along the wake of the boat."

                  Monsieur, are you a professional cheater? Here is who wrote:
                  What the hell speed difference when shooting at the wake track?

                  - about the "speed difference and was my answer

                  Quote: INTA_VEGA
                  those. do you think that the boat at full speed in the "screws to the GOS" position has the same capture distance as the "standing" one?

                  in my opinion you are stupid
                  for the main mode of operation of the CLP torpedo on a submarine is active, and to him (modern CCH) do not care - is the sub or running
                  Quote: INTA_VEGA
                  Poison strong

                  Sounding is YOUR part

                  Quote: INTA_VEGA
                  In what year did you see the moose?

                  "HAVE HEARD" is a HOOK submarine, and "dreamed" is the CLP of a torpedo that was pointing at him
                  e.g. June 2000 - BU ПТ-3 К-295 and К-506
                  1. INTA_VEGA
                    INTA_VEGA 21 March 2017 20: 17
                    0
                    Hooray! If you skip your shameless rudeness, then a good answer is "in the case." Thank!!!
  23. alex80
    alex80 22 June 2016 15: 23
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    From whom? How do you imagine an underwater duel between Boremi and Virginia or Ohio?

    According to some reports, the range of the Yuri Dolgoruky's hydroacoustics complex is superior to that of American Virginia-class submarines. That is, the Borei can detect targets under water, while remaining inaccessible to the acoustic equipment of any enemy ships.
    Link: http: //tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2710232
    1. mine
      mine 18 March 2017 23: 04
      0
      do not read Soviet newspapers for dinner
  24. antiexpert
    antiexpert 22 June 2016 15: 34
    +1
    still with such a filling)))
  25. Tektor
    Tektor 22 June 2016 15: 58
    -1
    Unfortunately, there is nothing encouraging about this "loud" news. This torpedo does not differ from Physics-1 in anything, except for a special warhead. It seems Physicist-2 was supposed to become an analogue of the Mk-46 torpedo, which was developed 30 years ago, but not a word about it. The saddest thing is that the news did not say that the torpedo had a cable coil, which Gidropribor developed for the Chinese back in early 2000:

    , and without such a coil, our torpedoes cannot be fired in one gulp, and often the control fiber breaks. Photo in the article - this unfortunately confirms. Alas.
    http://lib.znate.ru/docs/index-278756.html
    1. Camel
      Camel 22 June 2016 21: 27
      +1
      Sorry, but what does the photo in the article confirm? Specially returned, looked carefully, but there is just a model of a torpedo ... The photo you see shows a device that is attached to the main dashboard in 3 minutes with 8 bolts. Who told you that such a coil is not located inside the torpedo body, or is not mounted immediately before launch, or this (important, from your point of view) block was simply removed before the presentation? Questions may be amateurish, but ...

      PS reinforced fiber without an additional reinforced sleeve (armored shirt) can withstand a missile launch (acceleration and thermal trail), not to mention a torpedo launch.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 22 June 2016 21: 53
        0
        The information presented above was given to me by a designer who used to work in a hydraulic device ... Existing coils with fiber optics are too unreliable, and the fiber often breaks off immediately after the torpedo leaves the torpedo tube, imposing restrictions on the submarine's maneuvers, its speed, and the impossibility of salvo firing from - for entanglement of the optical fiber during submarine maneuvers. Telecontrol coils are needed to guide a torpedo to the distance from which the target is captured by the homing head, and this is a couple of kilometers from the target +/-.
        1. INTA_VEGA
          INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 13: 43
          +1
          Yes gyro instrument noble n-sys. The whole concern was profiled, even before the heap of sticks in the wheels Morteplotekhniki and the Region were introduced to their own wheels. What is the thriller with the adoption of the Physicist? It is because of these old (grandfathers) that they got behind the amers in the 80s. The concept of controlling a torpedo through a wire is the last century. Better overspending of torpedoes than tying a boat to a launch point.
          Especially when the hydraches stuff the **** wire into the armor and want rubles for it!
        2. mine
          mine 18 March 2017 23: 10
          +1
          they lied (or did not know)
          TSNIIAG "came up with" Gluing the fiber like an ordinary wire, and when I found out about this "creative" I just got bogged down by such IDIOTISM (since it was obviously clear what would happen - when a breakdown occurred, the fiber went to a small radius and the channel was locked)
          and “Steering Wheel” did VNII KP - not just “straight arms”, but PROFESSIONALLY
    2. mine
      mine 17 March 2017 15: 17
      +1
      ;)
      http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1321&a
      mp; p = 5 # p759779
      DECISIONS - were really made
  26. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 22 June 2016 16: 38
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Decide, yes. About "Ash" is understandable. But "Borey" .. Maybe someone will explain why SSBNs of this class generally need torpedoes? With whom is the strategist going to enter a torpedo duel? Or maybe the enemy surface ships will sink?


    Under water, boats can come together in battle, and then the one who hears before and who strikes from the ultimate distance wins. And the fact that they can converge, recall one of the versions of the death of Kursk.
  27. aleks26
    aleks26 22 June 2016 16: 43
    -2
    Firing range, speed and ultimate depth of fire from the board of the submarine will remain the same - 50 kilometers, more than 50 knots, 400 meters, respectively ”
    And if the enemy is swimming deeper (they have boats that dive up to 600 meters), what to drown? Who knows? Their MK48 of the latest modification reaches 900 meters.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 June 2016 18: 57
      -1
      Quote: aleks26
      And if the enemy is swimming deeper (they have boats that dive up to 600 meters), what to drown? Who knows? Their MK48 of the latest modification reaches 900 meters.

      Yes, they probably called the depth for the press, in reality, you can run deeper, by the way, the MK-48 can be used at depths up to 800 meters.
    2. INTA_VEGA
      INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 13: 54
      +1
      Shoot USETkoy. It is electric, it does not have exhaust, it does not care for it - the maximum depth according to the passport is 1000 m.
      Question to the public - have you even heard somewhere about the practical shooting of Mark48 from depths over 450 m? Just about volleys, they periodically publish data, but all the periscopic depths come across ...
      1. mine
        mine 17 March 2017 15: 19
        0
        Learn how to get started
        The “asshole” of USETki is valid for a kilometer, but the “American face” (stolen “head” from Mk46 OF THE BEGINNING OF 60x) is choked with pressure at MUCH shallower depth
        1. INTA_VEGA
          INTA_VEGA 18 March 2017 08: 59
          0
          If I were a miner, I would teach the “Romanian materiel”, but excuse the illiterate, a different profile.

          What about MK48 with depth? Is it at least realistically not to flatten on 900 meters?
          1. mine
            mine 18 March 2017 22: 58
            0
            be affectionate, tell me about your “profile” - something seems to me like you “float” in it as well as in torpedo issues;)
            Quote: INTA_VEGA
            What about MK48 with depth? Is it at least realistically not to flatten on 900 meters?

            And why should she "flatter"? If she did so (with the corresponding calculations and tests).
            And by the way, the depth at ADKEP has been further increased
            1. INTA_VEGA
              INTA_VEGA 19 March 2017 00: 25
              0
              Quote: mina
              be affectionate, tell me about your "profile"

              And for what purpose are you interested in?
              Excuse me, I don’t want to publicly dissolve the “show-offs, otherwise you'll be reproached again.”
              But the specialty is deeply inland - look at least at the profile picture (Moscow Region, 2011).
              Quote: mina
              and in it you "swim"

              Not for you to judge tongue

              Quote: mina
              the stale "head" from Mk46 BEGINNING of the 60s is choked with pressure at MUCH less depth

              those. our test and count not know how?
              Here is the hydraulic tool.
              1. mine
                mine 19 March 2017 12: 49
                0
                Quote: INTA_VEGA
                I do not want to "show off" in public to dissolve

                well then wipe their
                and no longer dissolve
                Quote: INTA_VEGA
                those. our test and count not know how? Here is the hydraulic tool.

                "Vodopadovskaya" ("native Hydrov" "head") was made for a kilometer, but with it ... - read Bozina
                but the "Ceramics" "hydra" TUPO torn with Mk46mod1 - with its shallow antenna
                1. INTA_VEGA
                  INTA_VEGA 21 March 2017 20: 28
                  0
                  Quote: mina
                  and no longer dissolve

                  Sorry, your value judgments about me are uninteresting and boring. You get better at the materiel.
                  Quote: mina
                  but the "Ceramics" "hydra" TUPO torn with Mk46mod1 - with its shallow antenna

                  And all the talk about the "new" ceramics is just talk, or did the Amers steal something new, do you not know?
  28. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 22 June 2016 19: 39
    0
    Quote: kote119
    SEA has both miles and kilometers


    well in meters only the depths are measured
    1. kote119
      kote119 22 June 2016 21: 02
      0
      ... and the range of missiles in kilometers, the speed of missiles and much more
  29. JD1979
    JD1979 23 June 2016 01: 24
    -1
    Nda ... Sorry, but this is old G. in a new wrapper. Those. as it was * pa in the torpedo business and remained. Explain to me how to ensure a range of 20 km with a length of TU (5 + 50) km? Or is someone lying, or finally, in the strictest secrecy, a normal coil is developed? And we did not have 25 km of wire but 70 at least? Sorry, but arming modern boats with this gang is a crime, because in the conditions of modern anti-submarine defense means trying to use the TU mode for torpedoes at a distance of 25 km or less is suicide. Only the wireless modes remain. Compared with German, Italian torpedoes with the TU regime, our total slag. The problem is not one year old or even 10, and what is still impossible to make a normal coil?
    1. INTA_VEGA
      INTA_VEGA 23 June 2016 14: 02
      +1
      It seems like a coil at 60 somewhere about 6 years ago was shown at the marine salon. But about her neither to hearing nor to spirit.
      It seems the fleet just does not care about coils. Manual control is for all sorts of China)
      1. mine
        mine 19 March 2017 12: 49
        +1
        did not show
        if only because they didn’t do this
        (although they could)
    2. mine
      mine 17 March 2017 15: 21
      0
      it was made a year and a half ago
      and thrown on a shelf - gather dust
      1. INTA_VEGA
        INTA_VEGA 18 March 2017 09: 03
        0
        Please explain if the coils are “so needed and have a lot of usefulness from them,” then why does this situation happen
        Quote: mina
        it was made a year and a half ago
        and thrown on a shelf

        Do not take the question with hostility, your opinion is really interesting.
        1. mine
          mine 18 March 2017 23: 01
          +1
          1. Because the swindlers from "Malachite" (there are also a number of "figures" from the 28NII of the USSR) lobbied the offer of the "machine gun" - with the mass dumping of safety in the sea
          2. According to “Steering wheel”, in the final version the cable was made, production was solved, the problem of high-speed unwinding was solved, but the development of a hose reel was PERFECT (from Hydra’s supply), and the problem of “creasing” was interfered with optically in NICHE TA (i.e., a bl hose was needed, it was on 211ТТ1, but they threw him out of the Helm))
          1. INTA_VEGA
            INTA_VEGA 19 March 2017 00: 33
            +1
            Please explain on the fingers "for those who are not in the subject" about a scam with mass shootings.
            Naval academics, those of them whom I know - to the coils with hostility, and their argument is understandable. Is this part of the plot?
            1. mine
              mine 19 March 2017 12: 55
              +1
              if YOU “academician” mean Sinyaev, then you just had to publicly “smear” him, moreover, he is very smart, understands everything, but ... "an accomplice in mastering ..."
              according to TU enough is said
              The level of remote control of torpedoes of the type UGST and ТЭ2 corresponds to the western end of the 60-s of the last century. The reason for the de facto half-century lag of telecontrol of domestic torpedoes from the western ones is Malachite itself. It was here in the 60-s that the torpedo complex of the 705 submarine of the project in the form of a machine gun on the torpedo deck was “grounded” (which excluded the use of effective telecontrol). The vicious ideology of this complex is still pushed through to the fleet. Effective telecontrol is not only and not so much a torpedo as a torpedo tube and a ship complex, for which the Malachite is responsible.
              We have not had any technical problems with the remote control of the torpedoes.
              The magnificent channel of telecontrol (telemetry) was performed at the beginning of the 80-s of the last century by the Research and Development Institute of Marine Technology for testing the Tapir torpedoes.
              More than a decade ago, the VNIIKP was successfully completed the design and development work on the creation of a domestic fiber-optic telecontrol complex with extremely high performance characteristics. As a result, the fabricated hardware collects dust on the shelf.
              It has also been more than ten years since the Central Research Institute Gidropribor passed a product with a telecontrol hose reel to a foreign customer. After that, this foreign customer began a massive transition to a hose reel, including for his old torpedoes.

              Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/21481
              A serious problem with the first serial remote-controlled torpedoes - significant limitations on maneuvering and number in the salvo due to the use of a "towed" carrier telecontrol coil.
              TT has two inertia-free coils - one in the torpedo, the other remains on the carrier, providing its sublimation maneuver submarine, that is, the wire itself is almost stationary relative to water. The towed boat reel (BLK) in case of use “falls out” together with the torpedo outside and hangs on the cable-rope (commensurate with the length of the submarine). Due to the impact of the oncoming flow, the BLK performs oscillatory movements that significantly reduce the reliability of the telecontrol, limit the submarine in speed and maneuver, and most importantly, make it impossible to use more than one remote-controlled torpedo in the salvo.
              The first patent on a telecontrol hose reel dates back to December 2 1965. The following application filed by 15 July 1970-th, corresponds to the actual design of the telecontrol system of the upgraded torpedoes Mk 37 Mod 1 with the introduction of a hose boat coil (CLS). It can be assumed that initially the idea of ​​the SLK came from the Germans in the process of “binding” the Mk 37 Mod 1 to the torpedo tubes of the new German submarines of the 205 project. The development was tested, and at the end of the 60-x - the beginning of the 70-s was implemented in all Western TTs. SHLK dramatically increased the reliability of remote control, speed and maneuverability of the firing submarine, and most importantly - the ability to perform multi-torpedo volleys with remote control. This significantly increased the effective shooting distances and entailed significant changes in the design of both torpedoes with new sophisticated CLS and high-precision navigation systems, and submarines with the introduction of airborne paths and modes of using the sonar system (ASM).
              The first domestic TT was TEST-68, created in 1968, on the basis of the antisubmarine torpedoes SET-53М with passive (noise-finding) CCH. Even then, several fundamental errors were made:
              1. TEST-68 could and should have been universal (with the possibility of defeat and surface targets). Passive CLO and electromagnetic proximity fuze completely provided work on the ships, since they were created on the basis of the SAET-50 anti-ship torpedo equipment. Fixing the top of the anti-subdivision depth pendulum did not allow the torpedo to reach the target above the artificially introduced limit. The mass of the warhead (90 kg) from the point of view of classic anti-ship torpedoes that had 300 kilograms of explosives seemed insufficient, but as a self-defense torpedo and for firing at escort ships TEST-68 was quite suitable.
              2. The low-speed channel TU provided the control of the torpedo only in the horizontal plane, excluding the possibility of changing the depth and effective use of difficult environmental conditions.
              3. The TU algorithms that were completely divorced from life and required, among other things, significant hardware costs (on the upgraded submarines of the 641 project, the ship part of the Dolphin telecontrol system occupied the cabin).
              4. The same algorithms ensured the use of only one torpedo in the salvo, despite the fact that in some submarines of the 641 project, under the TT, half of the torpedo tubes (TA) were being developed - two in the bow and four in the stern.
              Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/22251
              even short-term remote control dramatically increases the effectiveness of salvo on submarines in real conditions, and the implementation of firing positions on surface ships, the next anti-torpedo zigzag at a distance of more than 11-13 km, is possible only with remote control. And most importantly - until the middle of the 80's, telecontrol remained the only effective means of ensuring noise immunity of a volley in conditions of powerful sonar response. Homing systems in all countries before the start of the 80's did not have the necessary noise immunity, therefore, for effective firing from the 50's, the U.S. Navy had a prerequisite - telecontrol, and for surface ships - a large ammunition of the PLO - the ability to carry out multiple submarine attacks.
              All western heavy torpedoes and even the new torpedoes of the Chinese Navy have a remote control hose. The use of towed coils on our torpedoes is a vestige of 50 years ago. This puts Russian submarines virtually under fire from enemy weapons with much greater effective firing ranges.
              Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/6766
    3. mine
      mine 19 March 2017 12: 56
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      ask the right questions ...
      despite the fact that in “Steering Wheel” issues were resolved including "super long" TU
  30. Old26
    Old26 24 June 2016 08: 30
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    To be honest, torpedoes have almost absolute zero. But I heard about "Case" that he had a screw in the annular channel. And in the photo in the back of this something is not observed. Or am I wrong?
    1. INTA_VEGA
      INTA_VEGA 24 June 2016 09: 50
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      The photo card in the article is quite old and has nothing to do with the Case or the Physicist.
      1. mine
        mine 19 March 2017 12: 56
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        photo new, old torpedo (anti-ship 53-65К)
  31. bad
    bad 24 June 2016 21: 28
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    Quote: Astor
    Quote: kote119
    SEA has both miles and kilometers

    Of course there are kilometers, but they are somehow incomprehensible at sea. The nautical mile is the minute of the arc of the meridian, 1852 m or, like the English, 6080 feet (1853 m). In addition, the author mixed kilometers with knots.
    .. this he specially "mixed" .. for "partners" from nato bully
  32. mine
    mine 22 March 2017 01: 07
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    Quote: INTA_VEGA
    remember ... but the case is nothing new, right?

    according to CASE it is said enough - for those with a head on their shoulders

    Well, those who are "like a goat on a poster" are their personal problems
    1. INTA_VEGA
      INTA_VEGA 22 March 2017 10: 26
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      Do not lose the discussion thread. "In the case" is to see the comment was comrade Stena indicated:
      Quote: Stena
      If she has a firing range (I'm not talking about accuracy here) - 50 kilometers (and, for example, the British (spearfish), Americans (MK 53, in my opinion) and Europeans - a range of 50 nautical miles (at least 2 times more), which Well then rejoice then?

      Spears and MK53 really provide 50 miles of travel, and our "new" only 50 km?
      Didn't the Moscow Region require “equalization of characteristics” with the adoption of “Physics”? (Another thing is that, as I understand it, they did not align you).
      Quote: Stena
      electric torpedoes are less noisy and faster

      Electric torpedoes are more speedy and energy-armed than thermal ???
      1. mine
        mine 24 March 2017 01: 46
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        Quote: INTA_VEGA
        Didn't the Moscow Region require “equalization of characteristics” with the adoption of “Physics”?

        in their reports to the TTX management, the same Mk48 DM2A4 are intentionally UNDERSTANDING by officials of the Ministry of Defense (the “German woman” there was “cut off” from the actual FOUR times in general)


        Quote: INTA_VEGA
        Electric torpedoes are more speedy and energy-armed than thermal ???

        less high-speed, but more energy-armed (those that have aluminum-silver oxide batteries)

        I already wrote about this more than once