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Sports Professionals - Parasites

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Alternative point of view on professional sport. The author argues for the fact that any good Russian person engaged in productive work is ten times more hero than all the "professional athletes" put together.

Since the wave of emotion finally reached the Russian national team at the Olympics, interviews and materials about professional athletes filled up everything, even non-sports publications, it was time to remind one simple, frightening truth:

PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES - DARMOUEDS.

These are people who do not produce any intellectual, cultural or physical product. Not even services — a crazy hipster, carrying fashionable sneakers from the US in his bag on his hump and then pushing them in Moscow at an expensive cost, and then creating a service (in this case delivering scarce shoes to your doorstep), while the athletes do not nothing.

They only train. Year after year. Month after month. Million for million (taxpayer money). After that they come out, and suddenly it turns out that these people, who cannot even sell sneakers, are the heroes and the personification of our country. We should all be proud of them, because nothing causes pride anymore than a genetic mutant parasite pumped by chemistry, dropping off a hill on a sled one second earlier than the same genetically paramedic pumped by chemistry from a neighboring country.

No, understand correctly, amateur sport is wonderful. Mostly because amateurs are involved in amateur sports, quite rightly. People who, besides skating on the sled race, have some other things to do in life. I rode on sledges, went on to build an atomic reactor or compose an opera there, what questions. This is great, this is correct, such a sport is needed.

But when a person GENERALLY ALL LIFE consists of running, skating to race (to prove what? To whom? Why?), Then this person is crazy, he needs to be treated. Moreover, it is necessary to treat us all, because this man runs on skates with our money. No, if you are a billionaire and the owner of a business empire, you can afford to even run on skates, even walk on your hands, the right of an individual to spend his money as he likes is sacred - but they are competing for our taxes there!

And I also understand, for example, hockey is a huge self-supporting, even profitable show business. Type "House-2". Where the goal is not to build your love or a house there, but to make as many high-rating episodes with scandals and intrigues as possible. Likewise, hockey players have the task not to win, but to produce a beautiful show with beautiful wrestling, fights, and dramaturgy. Or figure skating, Julia Lipnitskaya, is an excellent opportunity to look at the toned thighs of an 15-year-old schoolgirl and moo something about “what technique, what kind of performance, what ass” (nothing that figure skaters costumes as close as possible to striptease-burlesque stars).



I understand this: harsh men beat each other's muzzles, young meat in a tight-fitting suit is spinning like that, and that way, people are ready to watch it and pay for it even without any Olympiad. +

BUT CAN?

Do you know what “mogul” is? But after all, competitions are taking place on it, there even someone is awarded medals. They have their heroes, their villains, their schools, their own, of course, government funding.

Sports Professionals - Parasites


Or is it a "skeleton"? Which of us, Russians, is not proud of our great skeleton riders who, with the last of their strength, snatched victory from ... well, from someone snatched away. Or losers. What's the difference?



90% of Olympic sports are not of interest to the mass audience, this is not a show, but a fan club, a party of genetic freaks paid from the budget. “Nordic combined” - can any of you say what it is? When you first take away one ski from an opponent, and then the second? Or are you two just behind your skis, and you are fighting off them? +

No, let these skeletons and moguls do anything, we have a free country, but why do they do it with our money and show us like heroes? They say that you are sitting here, an engineer, you are drawing a new hydroelectric station, but you would have looked at the real hero Ahmed Zalupaenko, who was able to otmogulitsya and zkeletonitsya faster than others, which changed the world ... absolutely nothing. This is a man, this is a yes, not that you, an airplane turbine designer not glamorous!

Yes, during the existence of the USSR, its confrontation with the United States in sports was essentially such a little reduced war, pretext war, a light version of the Third World War, riveting the world's attention because of additional superpower meanings. But those days are long gone, no one seriously considers war with the United States (and the Olympics as a peaceful form of this war), enormous attention to the peaceful Third World War was gone, and countless hordes of skeletonists, bobsleighists (here, the Jamaican people went to their Olympics, collected via the Internet) and mogulistov remained. And with impudent mugs, they teach us to live on TV.

Therefore, what I want to say is: 90% of professional athletes are parasites and recipients of poorly veiled social assistance. Only if people with disabilities and veterans get help because of their infirmities and for their services to the country, then in the case of athletes we have healthy strong foreheads on which we can plow, who can only ride sleds from all merits. Someone like the famous Dagestan "invalids" who receive fake sickness benefits (but even fake Dagestan disabled people do not climb into the TV to receive medals, and modestly sit in their auls, grumble money begged from the state. In order to deceive the social system for this also awards they received fanfare - this is only possible in professional sports).

The remaining 10% of professional athletes pay for themselves and therefore are the heroes of the show, who by their general meaningfulness are most similar to the heroes of “House-2”. Of course, there are people who take the characters of “House-2” seriously, but for most normal people these are MURZILS FROM A TV set, created solely in order to make young thighs in the camera. There is nothing criminal in this (all are not killing and not stealing, although the young, strong, could be - the same hockey team is a ready-made gang), but you have to understand that any good Russian person engaged in productive work is ten times more hero than all the “professional athletes” put together. And the injustice of our world is that no one shows the work of the laboratory of nuclear physics for hours on TV (“Lord, they are close to discovery, they are close to discovery, what technique!”), But they show a lightly veiled striptease and amusing fights of millionaires on ice ( if not, forgive me, “skeleton”), suggesting that this should be considered a benchmark and an object to follow. Grow, they say, a Russian man, strive, and someday you will also be able to twirl ass in sparkles on the camera with the broadcast around the world!

It's disgusting.

And once again we want to say that our real heroes are soldiers, business people and intellectuals whose honor and glory are stolen by the constant imposition of genetic freaks as models for admiration and imitation

Source

Previously, the rich looked at how the poor play, and now the poor look at the way millionaires play.



About professional sports



Andrei Fursov “Football today is not a sport. This is business and politics. ”

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  1. asadov
    asadov 22 June 2016 16: 54
    .
    Bullshit
    1. Vend
      Vend 22 June 2016 16: 57
      +1
      So, according to the author of Russia, it is necessary to abandon sports competitions? Well, I do not.
      1. rabbi's pais
        rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 17: 02
        +282
        Quote: Wend
        7 ↑

        So, according to the author of Russia, it is necessary to abandon sports competitions?

        You have to give up football. You don’t have any urine to look at these nits in the form of the Russian national team. But it’s most tense when these devils draw another tournament with contented faces. We ask why the hell are these nonsense? I’m even afraid to imagine how these assy legs in two years to play at home champion.
        1. Temples
          Temples 22 June 2016 17: 08
          +220
          I agree with the author.

          By the box, we see not sport, but show business.
          And if it’s a business, please pay taxes, but don’t get money from the budget.
          Build your football stadiums at your own expense.

          And leave us track and field athletics, in which the inhabitants of the country and our children will go in for sports for their health.

          A sport that brings health to people is necessary.

          Create conditions for children and adults to play sports.
          Children in and after school.
          Adults in their free time from BUSINESS.

          CASE TIME fun hour!
          1. vlad66
            vlad66 22 June 2016 17: 20
            +362
            Quote: Temples
            By the box, we see not sport, but show business.
            And if it’s a business, please pay taxes, but don’t get money from the budget.

            I also agree with the author and with you. yes
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 22 June 2016 17: 23
              +86
              Support +++++ hi
              1. Temples
                Temples 22 June 2016 17: 32
                +60
                The right decision!!!
                1. Comrade Schucher
                  Comrade Schucher 23 June 2016 07: 55
                  +52
                  [quote? rabbi’s pace] Football must be abandoned.


                  I wouldn’t get so excited about football ...
                  We have an urban-type village of Urengoy, maybe someone heard, maybe a week - maybe more, but in our yard, guys about 10-12 years old got into a shy of a soccer team 6 to 6 ...
                  No show, no singing of the anthem - stamping, a cloud of dust, swearing (with mats), we managed to fight a couple of times, like in basketball (it seems 47 - 56) ...
                  Here IT is football, a real sport!

                  Respect to the author for the article, I vote FOR all the limbs screwed to my body!
  1. Dmitriy66
    Dmitriy66 23 June 2016 12: 53
    +1
    Also FOR! But I ask you to leave the skeleton --- that would not care who!
  2. 2ez
    2ez 23 June 2016 12: 56
    +1
    No one offers to give up sports and physical education ... There is only one suggestion - LET EARN !!!
  • papas-57
    papas-57 22 June 2016 17: 41
    +47
    No, let them earn their own fees. Salaries must be received from the profits of the stadiums where they perform. They perform well - there will be profit, there will be a salary. They perform poorly - sorry guys, there will be no salary, and also compensate for the monetary losses of the stadium from your pocket. And it quickly becomes clear who they go to see and who the hell is not needed there.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 22 June 2016 18: 14
      +45
      Quote: papas-57
      No, let them earn their own fees. Salaries must be received from the profits of the stadiums where they perform. They perform well - there will be profit, there will be a salary. They perform poorly - sorry guys, there will be no salary, and also compensate for the monetary losses of the stadium from your pocket. And it quickly becomes clear who they go to see and who the hell is not needed there.

      Here's another! While Gazprom is working, Zenit will buy new blacks for money comparable to the annual budget of a rather big city!
      I support the whole branch!
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 22 June 2016 20: 55
        +22
        Heh. Gazprom also contains the Echo of Moscow.
        I sometimes doubt whether the state still owns 50% of the shares, or not?
      2. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 02: 02
        +10
        Quote: Mikado
        Here's another! While Gazprom is working, Zenit will buy new blacks for money comparable to the annual budget of a rather big city!

        In the Far East a few years ago there was a scandal with the Far Eastern Economic Commission (it sets tariffs and money is transferred to its account for the Far East). The whole office of DEC is located in Khabarovsk, and it turns out that the population paid for their departmental machines (the cars themselves, fuel, maintenance, drivers, in general, everything connected with them. Quote from the Prosecutor's Office gene http://genproc.gov.ru/special/smi/ news / news-81951:
        Thus, the Committee on Prices and Tariffs of the Government of the Khabarovsk Territory illegally included in the cost of the guaranteeing supplier OJSC Far Eastern Energy Company (Khabarovskenergosbyt branch) the cost of voluntary transport insurance (CASCO) in the amount of over 700 thousand rubles and social expenses for amount of 24 million rubles.
        Thus, in the Khabarovsk Territory, the tariffs for electricity and heat supply include expenses on the maintenance of children of employees of the energy company in preschool educational institutions, on the purchase of tickets to health camps for children, one-time financial assistance in the event of the death of an employee, participation in improving the living conditions of workers and financing other benefits. All this led to a significant overstatement of these tariffs.
        Similar violations were identified in the Amur Region, where resource-supplying organizations maintained a football team at the expense of funds taken into account in the tariffs.
        And I don’t remember anyone counting the tariffs, as they say, they forgave everything to the population, and they still dug it without trying, so that no one should be punished.
      3. ddd1975
        ddd1975 23 June 2016 11: 19
        +4
        it’s not funny, but we’re keeping them - buying gasoline at a price more expensive than selling to Europe ...
      4. Avz
        Avz 24 June 2016 21: 33
        0
        If Gazprom doesn’t feel sorry for the money, let it even buy Eskimos. This is Gazprom’s business. If only the country's or region’s budget would suffer.
    2. Homo
      Homo 22 June 2016 18: 18
      +23
      Quote: papas-57
      No, let them earn their own fees.

      Salary - minimum wage, and the rest (at least lard) bonuses, if they earn!
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 June 2016 02: 27
      +14
      Here a couple of days ago, two dozen parasites with millions of salaries traveled to France to disgrace us for budget money.
      In the furnace, such a sport with fat ministers! am
      We were deprived of real sport, only show and business were left, but the spectacles were already not impressive for the people, and the daily bread was becoming more expensive.
      I don’t want to keep wooden freaks at public expense!
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 23 June 2016 09: 49
      +5
      The article is of course quite sharp, but on the topic. I do not agree with the author a little, if big sport exists, it means that they need to deal with, still the face of the country. Which Russians were not proud of another victory, for example, at the rhythmic gymnastics championship? If footballers are crooked, then other athletes can still defend the honor of the country. And about the fees it’s true, everything is turned upside down, indeed, turned the sport into a show business. Another question, here hotheads talked a lot about the fact that professional sports should be covered almost completely, if they are not profitable. There are such disciplines as the author has listed, or for example curling (delirium of pure water). And what about the children's sections, for example? Cover it too, but then you won’t even take the child to the pool? In general, the work of a professional athlete is very difficult, not only are they half disabled by middle age. There is one conclusion. Sport is needed, but if you do not show results, as they say do not torture yourself, nor the fans, nor the state.
      1. Berkut752
        Berkut752 23 June 2016 11: 09
        +6
        Dear, you are fundamentally wrong, because you contradict yourself. You confuse show business and sports. And about the material component, I generally keep quiet. I took my granddaughter to a music lesson (Volgograd music school), my daughter gives 1 rubles in cash, this is the cost of one lesson (500 MINUTES), THIS TEACHER has 40 CHILDREN (7 * 7 * 1500 working days = 20). At the military-industrial complex, Locksmith receives 210 rubles per shift (000 * 1 = 500). And this locksmith produces equipment that the whole country is proud of and envies the whole world.
        Our mentality is based on the SOCIAL STATE. It is necessary to build more educational and sports sections for FREE, so that children develop in the full sense of the word.

        https://topwar.ru/96856-pochemu-kommunizm-ostaetsya-horoshim-vyborom-dlya-rossii
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  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 22 June 2016 18: 05
    +41
    vlad66 hi
    Well, really, let's just conduct an experiment once! Not a penny from the budget for football players! (Why sponsor a half-dead horse !!!?) Let's get our sick people out of the budget! We were sucked in by swindlers for a very long time that if the loot flows like a river into football there will be a result !Well! and where is your result? laughingAND! Well, yes, if our fans still played in the place of our players. laughing Our fans at Euro 2016 were super! good I understand that our functionaries from football and footballers are not given the laurels of "cutting" the American military budget?
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 22 June 2016 18: 46
      +32
      Quote: Observer2014
      Well, really, let's just conduct an experiment once! Not a penny from the budget for football players!

      Sergey, if you conduct such an experiment, these half-dead horses will run away right away, I really won’t be upset about this, because it’s impossible to look such a SHAME, these horses (damn it, a noble animal horse) can only get these wooden blocks, they don’t give a damn about a country, they don’t give a damn about us, who were rooting for them, they don’t give a damn about our fans, who dispersed the arrogant Saxons who insulted Russia, the main thing is to get the loot and to dump more on vacation, which 10 people from the national team have already done, the poor fellow are tired, and meanwhile how much announcements on the Internet, on local TV channels, (I didn’t hear on the central ones) Help, whoever can, the child needs an operation. It’s painful, it’s painful to read such announcements, I help as much as I can, but it’s very painful to watch such a shame as the Russian national football team, of this team, only Akinfeev can still do something, the rest are snickering logs.
      Quote: Observer2014
      We were sucked in by swindlers for a very long time that if the loot flows like a river into football there will be a result! Well! and where is your result?

      The result after the silver of Europe in 1988 and the gold of the Olympic Games was only in 2008 and EVERYTHING! The rest of the years, after another failure. They clutched their heads, something had to be done. A lot of money was poured into football and ...... another shame, running in a circle without end.
      Quote: Observer2014
      Our fans at Euro 2016 were super!

      Bravo our fans. This is the real team of Russia. If you let them out on the field at least in tyr-pyr. You’d break everyone. Like an ace heating pad. hi
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      3. Winnie76
        Winnie76 23 June 2016 00: 54
        +6

        Selected about Russian football. I subscribe to every word ...
      4. Sirocco
        Sirocco 23 June 2016 03: 55
        +10
        Quote: vlad66
        , the rest are snickering logs.

        What to say? there are no words, I think everyone has already said what they think about this shame for our money, so to speak, they had us at our own expense.
        A good comment on this from the sports representative Yagudin.
        @ alexei.yagudin I was silent for a long time, I did not want to write anything, but it is more difficult to restrain myself, especially after the players return to Moscow! These "earn" millions of $ / € when our pensioners are only a few thousand! And this is not a shame and, most importantly, not do they understand why?!?!? (Golovin), some have fun (Shatov) !!! But really? For what? They don't give a shit, they have contracts for several years! They are already doing well! Everyone writes about the fact that it is necessary to abolish the limit on legionnaires, and I think that it is necessary to introduce a limit on loafers in Russian football. Or rather, what am I talking about? Russian football has not existed, by the way, for a very long time, except in Russia. It would be better if they were all disqualified instead of athletics in Rio 2016 !!! And, which is quite significant, unlike Akinfeev, we could not even thank the people who came to cheer for this tree !!!!!!!!
    2. AID.S
      AID.S 22 June 2016 21: 21
      +11
      Quote: Observer2014
      Not a penny from the budget for football players! (Why sponsor

      So I see, for some reason Ignashevich, - "Monsieur, do not mange pa sis zhur, give it to a former member of the Russian national team ..."
    3. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 02: 27
      +8
      Quote: Observer2014
      vlad66 hi
      Well, really, let's just conduct an experiment once! Not a penny from the budget for football players! (Why sponsor a half-dead horse !!!?) Let's get our sick people out of the budget! We were sucked in by swindlers for a very long time that if the loot flows like a river into football there will be a result !Well! and where is your result? laughingAND! Well, yes, if our fans still played in the place of our players. laughing Our fans at Euro 2016 were super! good I understand that our functionaries from football and footballers are not given the laurels of "cutting" the American military budget?

      I have been following Mutko since 2002 in Salt Lake City, United States (Winter). This is where we were for the first time completely humiliated, and Mutko only got up in a certain position in front of the pin ... dosami. I understood, of course, that Mutko had an idea to humiliate himself at the Olympics, there was an order from above, the first years of Putin's rule. But I always waited when in sports they would begin to defend our interests through the courts, at least, to prohibit entry into the country for the `` especially distinguished '' officials from sports, and not to wipe themselves off and flow around all the time. As they say, dreaming is not harmful. Mutko put sports to oversee and defend ours, or to please and humiliate ourselves in front of pin ... dosami?
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 23 June 2016 02: 32
        +7
        Quote: vasiliev yu
        The sport is lightly set to oversee and defend ours, or to please and humble ourselves before a pin ... dos?

        he bought the position wisely, until he took off the grandmothers and multiplied them, he would sit as a minister, not afraid of anything, just as the state duke Serdyukoff, the hero of the Russian Federation, was not afraid.
    4. yehat
      yehat 23 June 2016 09: 41
      +2
      to cure 1 patient with cancer with a relatively simple diagnosis, you need about 4-7 million rubles.
      And not enough for everyone - there is a tough battle for budget quotas.
      The same money can be spent so that 10 people do not get cancer, or they diagnosed it at the very initial stage, which lends itself to a much less expensive and more successful treatment.
      so do not throw slogans about treating patients, etc.
      Now our medicine - the same cut of money as patches on the roads - is expensive and useless.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 22 June 2016 18: 10
    +10
    Class! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 22 June 2016 19: 44
    +2
    To the very point ... good
  • Number 17
    Number 17 22 June 2016 20: 51
    +10
    I agree. Only SMS award for victory. And here is a picture of a firefighter who is holding a child in his arms. Indeed, why does he receive the state of the art established by the state and the athlete is well paid for him in FIG. The author is right that the word sports smells of money and politics. So what about football ??????????????????
    1. UREC
      UREC 22 June 2016 22: 41
      +1
      Patamushta per foot Balistami there is also a gopher. "Vidish gopher? Nope. And he is!"
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 June 2016 02: 28
      +2
      Quote: number 17
      So what about football ??????????????????

      football in the Russian Federation has died ....
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 June 2016 05: 39
      +4
      Quote: number 17
      So what about football ??????????????????

      Kokorin the bentopod and temples
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 June 2016 06: 13
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Kokorin the bentopod and temples

        And Mutko is handsome laughing
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 23 June 2016 12: 08
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          And Mutko is handsome

          Test video !!! laughing +100500
  • Hon
    Hon 22 June 2016 21: 51
    +1
    But do they pay from the budget? RFU does not seem to be a budget organization
  • 73bor
    73bor 23 June 2016 12: 18
    0
    There is a counter offer, for football players to buy air tickets only THERE (back only after victory), to give out a budget hotel for food 1000r per day!
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 23 June 2016 22: 05
    0
    Definitely + a lot!
  • Avz
    Avz 24 June 2016 21: 30
    0
    It will be true and honest. And then we will find out who the star is and who p ... yes.
  • evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 25 June 2016 16: 09
    0
    https://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/667/iiot32.jpg

    Good offer for football players. It's crazy to pay that kind of money for the pleasure they get - the game. I do not envy at all, but the “fees” of workers, engineers, doctors who bring REAL benefits to society are incomparable with the “FEEDERS” of even OUR footballers.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 22 June 2016 17: 33
    +30
    To me, a taxpayer and a citizen, it seems strange that professional athletes get more commandos. Maybe I didn’t understand something in this life sitting on the couch and poking a finger at the keyboard after work.

    By the box, we see not sport, but show business.
    I agree, I support. Many sores in children can be cured while they grow well-chosen sport and exercise therapy. Even some congenital heart defects (for example, non-closure of the oval opening) due to swimming can pass and the athlete can become a champion.
    Last year I could not arrange a grandson in the Children's and Youth Sports School for swimming, I did not find it in the lists. And he has all the data for a swimmer. Parents are thin, taller than 180 cm, "Australian test +", they are confident on the water, they are passionate, they like to compete, they are a clot of energy that has nowhere to put them. Not taken. And it would have turned out to be a good freestyle swimmer for middle distances.
    Still, a system of medical and physical dispensaries is needed, selection should be based on physical parameters. While an athlete is young, he can achieve a lot due to motivation. But if she is not engaged in her own appearance, after the growth is over, illnesses from overloads and injuries will begin, which will necessarily affect the results. Where is Plushenko now, what's wrong with him?
  • Lukich
    Lukich 22 June 2016 17: 34
    .
    Quote: Temples
    And if business, please pay taxes,

    pay
    Quote: Temples
    instead of getting money from the budget.

    if not in the know, football players, hockey players and other gamers have not received anything from the budget for a long time. each team has its own sponsor. Zenit has Gazprom robust? and so he decides exactly how much to pay each player.
    Quote: Temples
    Build your football stadiums at your own expense.

    And leave us athletics,

    fine!!! for each sport has its own stadium? then let's go to the disciplines. your runners, your discs, your jumpers. etc. you can go further. my skaters, my hockey players
    Quote: Temples
    on which the inhabitants of the country and our children will go in for sports for their health.

    and those children who love to play football are no longer children? or residents of the country who go to the stadium on weekends to play football are no longer residents of our country?
    1. Temples
      Temples 22 June 2016 17: 41
      +46
      Lukich, if you don’t know about state money in Gazprom.

      Lukich, if you don’t know, football stadiums are built with budget money.

      Lukich, if you do not know the access to the Olympic facilities built on state funds to citizens is closed. Open only to athletes.

      Lukich, what is the football stadium where I can play football with my son? (not a yard, not a playground near a school, namely a football stadium)

      Lukich, stadiums built in the USSR were intended for competitions in athletics and sports games including football.
      At the Central Stadium in my city, students from several universities played sports. Not to mention the mass of sports sections working on it.
      Now everything is ruined.



      Football players are not crazy about destroying the stadium for everyone and building in their place an arena for their business for state funds?
      1. AndreyS
        AndreyS 22 June 2016 18: 34
        .
        Quote: Temples
        Lukich, if you do not know the access to the Olympic facilities built on state funds to citizens is closed. Open only to athletes.

        Well, you dear deceit. They also make money from Olympic venues, so everyone is welcome! Pay money and go (although this is not only for Olympic venues). A reference for you please:
        http://sochiplay.ru/events/item/massovoe-katanie-na-konkah.html
        "... Sochi Olympic Park provides an opportunity for guests and residents of the resort to skate on the world-class ice rink in the Iceberg Sports Palace ..."
        Well, at least they would monitor it on the Internet.
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 22 June 2016 19: 43
        .
        [quote = Temples] Lukich, if you don’t know the state money in Gazprom.
        [/ Quote]
        so Gazprom earns them himself.
        [quote = Temples] Lukich, if you don’t know, football stadiums are built with budget money.
        [/ Quote]
        correctly. the state must take care of the health of its citizens
        [quote = Temples] Lukich, if you don’t know the access to the Olympic facilities built on state funds to citizens is closed. Open only to athletes. [/ Quote]
        I do not know. maybe rumors

        [quote = Temples] Lukich, if you don’t know the state money in Gazprom.

        Lukich, if you don’t know, football stadiums are built with budget money.

        Lukich, if you do not know the access to the Olympic facilities built on state funds to citizens is closed. Open only to athletes.

        Lukich, what is the football stadium where I can play football with my son? (not a yard, not a playground near a school, namely a football stadium)
        together to the stadium ???? or is it better that the son goes and enters a training group? and for family holidays and built yard and school grounds. and in general, STADIOS for ATHLETES. all ages

        [quote = Temples] Lukich, stadiums built in the USSR were intended for competitions in athletics and sports including football. [/ quote]
        are you telling me ??? So you suggest to build separate stadiums !!!!
        [quote = Temples] At the Central Stadium in my city, students from several universities played sports. Not to mention the mass of sports sections working on it. [/ Quote]
        here is the answer. in Lipetsk "Flame" stadium, every Sunday a company gathers, they pay little money and play football
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 22 June 2016 17: 44
    .
    Quote: Temples
    I agree with the author.

    And what do you agree on? In the author’s ignorance of the subject of his article?
    "Or here's a" skeleton "? Who among us Russians is not proud of our great skeletonists, who with their last bit of strength pulled out the victory from ... in general, from someone tore it out. Or losers. What's the difference?"

    I think many here know what a skeleton is, roughly speaking, it is a sledding sport, only forward not with your feet, but with your head. Meanwhile, our athletes first began performing in this discipline since 1994. And this is from Wiki:
    “In 2002, the favorite of the women's national team, Ekaterina Mironova, took 7th place at the Olympics in Salt Lake City, and in 2003 won a silver medal at the World Skeleton Championship in Calgary and set a new track record for acceleration. Medal in this sport Russian athletes won for the first time.
    In 2010, at the XXI Olympic Games in Vancouver, Russian skeletonist Alexander Tretyakov won a bronze medal and became the first prize winner in such competitions among our compatriots. At the 2013 World Championships in St. Moritz, Tretyakov won the first gold medal in history for Russia, and Sergei Chudinov took third place.
    In 2014, at the XXII Olympic Games in Sochi, the same Alexander Tretyakov became the first Olympic champion from Russia in skeleton. Athlete Elena Nikitina became the first in the history of Russia to win an Olympic medal in a skeleton, winning bronze. "

    Good progress, in my opinion. The short track is an even more obscure sport for us, but I did not see V.An indignant at the three gold medals in Sochi.

    "" Ski nordic combined - can any of you say what it is? When first you take away one ski from your opponent, and then the second? Or two of you right behind your skis, and you fight them off? "

    This, in my opinion, is generally a dull banter. yes

    "no one is seriously considering the war with the United States (and the Olympics as a peaceful form of this war"

    What, and is the author right in this? request Then the army must be dissolved. After all, according to the author, "These are people who do not produce any intellectual, cultural or physical product. Not even services." wink
    1. region58
      region58 22 June 2016 18: 29
      +21
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Then the army must be disbanded. Indeed, according to the author, "These are people who do not produce any intellectual, cultural or physical product. Not even services."

      I apologize, but do the military people have a salary like our footballers? Of course you need sports, but not as well now: I won a medal - here you have apartments and jeeps and so on ... this is in addition to basic fees. And in response we often hear: "these are your problems ...". Eeeh ... How good that I found the times when there were Mikhailov, Petrov and Kharlamov, and Dynamo Moscow, and Dynamo Kiev, and Zenit ... yes, there were a lot of things ... It did not always work out, but they played from the heart. Of course, they were honored and respected by the people, and of course there were benefits, but what is happening now is clearly too much.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 June 2016 18: 36
        .
        Quote: region58
        I apologize, but do military people have salaries like our football players?

        I'm not talking about football players, in principle, but about professional sports in general, since the author decided to speculate about it, not knowing the subject. I already wrote in the thread that the ugly situation with our “top” players has developed due to the limit on legionnaires and an acute shortage of even mediocre players. Therefore, they can wander around, begging for a European salary, without showing the European game.
        Quote: region58
        here you have apartments and jeeps and stuff ...

        Quote: region58
        and there were benefits, of course, but what’s happening now is overkill.

        Everything is relative here. Against the background of the general standard of living in the USSR, the received "Volga" or apartment was also an unattainable dream for the majority.
        1. region58
          region58 22 June 2016 18: 53
          +4
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Everything is relative here.

          Relatively. But the fact that the athletes did their best was hard to argue with. At least they were worthy of respect.
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Against the background of the general standard of living in the USSR, the received "Volga" or apartment was also an unattainable dream for the majority.

          Well, about the "Volga" is a controversial issue, most of it was of no use, but getting an apartment was, as it were, considered the norm, of course you had to work, and not one year (often not where you wanted, but where you could get an apartment faster), but that was also the norm.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 22 June 2016 19: 02
            0
            Quote: region58
            But the fact that the athletes did their best was hard to argue with. At least they were worthy of respect.

            You understand, the article is thrown very provocative. Against the backdrop of the failure of our football team (which, after playing with Wales, I myself posted so many epithets that the neighbors wanted to call the police smile ), the author speaks of the futility of all higher sports in view of its high cost. This is a very dangerous message. Footballers footballers, this is a separate issue. But ruining the whole system of sports of the highest achievements is a criminal promise.
            Quote: region58
            about the "Volga" is a moot point, most of it was useless

            Well, now I don’t need a jeep, about which you write.
            Quote: region58
            but to get an apartment was considered to be the norm, of course I had to work, and not for one year (often not where I wanted to, but where I could get the apartment faster), but this was also the norm.

            Well, these are already features of the political system, and after all, an athlete did not receive it in forty years of experience.
            1. region58
              region58 22 June 2016 19: 33
              +4
              Quote: Vladimirets
              You understand, the article is thrown very provocative.

              Quote: Vladimirets
              the author speaks of the futility of all higher sports in view of its futility. This is a very dangerous message.

              Yes, everyone understands everything (thank God we distinguish forget-me-not from crap (s)), I have not noticed a single comment against sports in general. People are outraged by the current ugly situation when professional athletes (how, by the way, get into the professionals? - this is an interesting question ...), while receiving good fees, do not even make attempts to portray the game. As a good example, football. Another situation: for example, Maria Sharapova - where does she live, where does she train, what is her current connection with Russia? Why in the same football there are almost more blacks than ours? I'm not a racist, but what guys we do not have worthy?
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Well, now I don’t need a jeep

              A jeep may not be necessary, only without a car it’s hard to get where you need it, especially in the evening. And in 82, I calmly arrived from the pool at midnight on a trolleybus. By the way, according to physical education they passed the norms there. It was also considered normal.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 22 June 2016 19: 44
                +4
                Quote: region58
                did not notice a single comment against sports in general.

                The question is not about "in general", but about professional sports. There are practically no self-sustaining professional clubs in the world. And the national teams in ALL sports are financed from the state budgets, and in all countries.
                Quote: region58
                A jeep may not be necessary, only without a car it’s hard to get where you need it, especially in the evening.

                Well, I have a jeep called "Niva". smile
              2. region58
                region58 22 June 2016 19: 56
                +3
                Quote: Vladimirets
                The question is not about "in general", but about professional sports.

                And few people object to professionals.
                Quote: Vladimirets
                There are practically no self-sustaining professional clubs in the world. And the teams for ALL sports are financed from state budgets, and in all countries.

                Yes, by and large spit me what's in the world. I see what is happening in sports in our country. And I really don’t like it.
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Well, I have a jeep called "Niva".

                It’s quite a normal car. In good hands especially. My opinion.
              3. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 22 June 2016 20: 25
                0
                Quote: region58
                It’s quite a normal car.

                Another one. smile
                Quote: region58
                In good hands especially.

                Here, my car, and the service (VAZ-21214) and personal VAZ-2123, were not very lucky. laughing
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 June 2016 22: 38
      +1
      That's interesting, out of 28 minuses, only region58 wrote opposing comments, the rest just stupidly minusanuli. You either don’t have the courage or you have nothing to say, do not be afraid of colleagues))) I do not bite.
      1. region58
        region58 23 June 2016 00: 50
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        out of 28 cons

        I would like to clarify a little: Firstly, I put the cons very rarely, for the whole time I put a few pieces. A person has an opinion - well, it's not for me to judge him. Secondly, I am not against professional and any kind of sport in general, even if they embroider with a cross for speed, BUT, the payment and requirements of the athlete himself should be reasonable (by the way, I think not only about sports). Thirdly, how much money someone has there, it’s very violet to me, but when they start to consider themselves better because there is more money, this is where their eyes begin to look for the weapons of the proletariat. Confusedly chaotically wrote, but something like that ...
      2. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 02: 51
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        That's interesting, out of 28 minuses, only region58 wrote opposing comments, the rest just stupidly minusanuli. You either don’t have the courage or you have nothing to say, do not be afraid of colleagues))) I do not bite.

        I so plus. Stupidly refuse prof. sports, you just don’t have to throw loot bags at once at the athletes, in moderation, and you don’t have to save too much. Not good, but you have to pay excellently according to the results, otherwise you’ll immediately get easy money without a result yet, they immediately swim in fat (especially brains). Gus Hidding, remember again, his salary.
        And how much do our diving officials receive from sports? And what is the main thing? Does anyone remember something good related to these dives?
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 22 June 2016 18: 01
    +2
    Quote: Temples
    Build your football stadiums at your own expense.

    I don’t know how anyone, we have several football leagues in the region. They are played by urban and rural teams, often financed from personal funds or symbolically by large enterprises and even SECs. Maybe they don’t need stadiums either?
    Quote: Temples
    And leave us track and field athletics, in which the inhabitants of the country and our children will go in for sports for their health.

    Tell them: bring down guys, we will be engaged in athletics here.
    Quote: Temples
    Create conditions for children and adults to play sports.

    You will be surprised, but many prefer to play football at an amateur and semi-professional level.
  • Foresterer
    Foresterer 22 June 2016 18: 33
    +4
    Curling is shocking. For the fact that floor polishers receive a salary, these "sportswomen" ride around the planet. And such sports are countless. The budget pays for everything and everyone.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 June 2016 18: 38
      +3
      Quote: Foresterer
      And such sports can not be counted.

      And what sports do you think have the right to life?
      1. Foresterer
        Foresterer 22 June 2016 19: 22
        +2
        Sport is obliged to be social and bring benefits and money to the country and its citizens, and not to dozens of Kokorins.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 22 June 2016 19: 48
          +3
          Quote: Foresterer
          Sport is obliged to be social and bring benefits and money to the country and its citizens, and not to dozens of Kokorins.

          I don’t want to offend you, but you turn everything upside down. First you write that curling is shocking. And if children, adults, are engaged in it, amateurly, is this an unnecessary sport? Moreover, you write
          Quote: Foresterer
          And such sports can not be counted.

          If you do not like any kind of sport, this does not mean that it should not be. I, too, do not understand many kinds or are not their fans, but people are really engaged. What, red light? request
        2. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 02: 54
          0
          Quote: Foresterer
          Sport is obliged to be social and bring benefits and money to the country and its citizens, and not to dozens of Kokorins.

          Biathlon? Like 'Ready for Labor and Defense'?
          You can still leave the nuclear throwers, a necessary profession. In the army, throwing grenades far and a lot.
      2. Number 17
        Number 17 22 June 2016 21: 06
        0
        And far to go inappropriately. Look at the pictures for the Olympic sports of the Olympic Games 80 there they are somewhat similar to road signs. Found ???? There are few of them; there is no curling; there is no snowboard; there is no skeleton; and by the way, why the hell ?????
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 22 June 2016 23: 19
          0
          Quote: number 17
          There are few of them; there is no curling; there is no snowboard; there is no skeleton; and by the way, why the hell ?????

          But now they are, take for a fact.
    2. Number 17
      Number 17 22 June 2016 21: 02
      -1
      I agree for this fictional sport. Well, for what ?????? For rubbing ice, ?????.? ... the feeling that hockey was not allowed into figure skating either.
      1. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 03: 02
        0
        Again about the same:
        Also a necessary profession. Do you know that in a city it is better not to throw a grenade, but to roll under your feet, under a car? Question: why is there still no curling team from CSKA? Give-more curlers in the army of different.
        1. Passer
          Passer 23 June 2016 06: 54
          +3
          Quote: Vasilyev u
          Again about the same:
          Also a necessary profession. Do you know that in a city it is better not to throw a grenade, but to roll under your feet, under a car? Question: why is there still no curling team from CSKA? Give-more curlers in the army of different.

          Yeah, considering that when I served, there was a small curling championship in the army every Saturday. PCBs are called. wink
          1. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 09: 33
            +3
            Quote: Passer
            Yeah, considering that when I served, there was a small curling championship in the army every Saturday. PCBs are called.

            Exactly, but I already forgot how we rubbed parquet in the company every day.
  • Hon
    Hon 22 June 2016 21: 50
    0
    Athletes generally then deduct personal income tax from their salaries
  • Berkut24
    Berkut24 22 June 2016 22: 52
    +6
    By the way, this is about show business. For one concert (2 hours), a singer earns like coal miners in a month. After that, she begins to teach us how to dress, rubs our brains on all the garbage from the TV and, as a result, having received the same loot and popularity, gets into the deputies. Then he begins to "heal" us at a higher level.
    In tsarist Russia, it would never have occurred to anyone to push the singers and circus men into power.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 June 2016 23: 20
      0
      Quote: Berkut24
      Here, by the way, and about show business.

      Have you ever read what this is about?
  • Dam
    Dam 23 June 2016 00: 34
    +2
    I agree. I do not see any point in professional sports. Disabled athletes are already forty years old. The whole show, the hype of the Olympic sports competitions is to sell the broadcast more expensively. It is necessary to develop the health of the nation, but about football, a separate topic. If these earflaps received money for the result, and not for stardom, maybe they would play. And so, a parade of lazy millionaires. It is necessary to break such a system
  • yehat
    yehat 23 June 2016 09: 33
    0
    I went in for sports (amateur)
    completely professionals should not be thrown out, because they can move the art forward in some discipline (for example, in swimming), which will be a reference point for amateurs. Test new uniforms or equipment. To be ASSISTANTS and instructors for amateurs. But what is happening now - when they are on their own, when amateurs are ousted from most national teams, this is very bad. "Pros" should not receive money for performances, nor should they receive training salaries for this. Prizes only.
    A pension and earnings should be formed from activities that help lovers.
    it is a social view, and on the other hand, from the Berlin Olympics of 1936, sport has become an instrument of ideological warfare. I find it difficult to evaluate this side of professional sports.

    my father was a skier. According to him, some Vasya electrician who trained well could really get into the national team. There is simply no such thing now. I would say that under Gorbachev the situation began to change.
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 22 June 2016 17: 15
    +48
    Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
    . Look at these nits in the form of the Russian national team there is no more urine

    Absolutely so. Say a word about "poor" Kokorin. am
    1. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 17: 39
      +6
      Quote: 79807420129
      Say a word about "poor" Kokorin.

      Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.Tak his father some of the rich, golden youth, the mother ih.V general rubbed his bezdyrya normal.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 22 June 2016 18: 13
        +1
        Student Kokorin from "Azazel" -? :))
    2. My address
      My address 22 June 2016 17: 43
      +28
      The author on 99% rights. What kind of skeletonists and other nihilists ?! Yes, even taking places from the fifth to the tenth ?! And in general, a professional can only be justified by professionalism.
      And now, sorry, but I repeat. Very nice joke and very disgusting to look at our football players.

      Marivanna in the classroom asks the children:
      - Masha, who does your dad work?
      - Marivanna! My dad is a mechanic at the factory, he can do everything!
      - Petenka, and who is your dad?
      - My dad is a doctor, he treats kids!
      - What are you, Vovochka, tell me about your dad?
      - And my dad is a stripper at a homosexual club.
      At recess, Marvanna approached Vovochka and again asked about his father. Little Johnny, crying, said:
      - Marivanna, my dad plays for our national football team, but I can’t tell my friends about it in class ...
      1. rabbi's pais
        rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 18: 25
        +5
        Quote: My address
        What kind of skeletonists and other nonsense?

        Wow, wow, wow, it’s easier. We recall the 2014 Olympic Games. Skeletonists, and we add bobsledders and sleds here, they performed very well. In addition, Sasha Tretyakov is my fellow countryman and our first Olympic athlete in skeleton + holder of all trophies in his sport. moment he is number two in the world, inferior to the younger Dukurs.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 22 June 2016 18: 28
          +1
          Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
          Wow, wow, wow, it’s easier. We recall the 2014 Olympic Games. Skeletonists, and we add bobsledders and sleds here, they performed very well. In addition, Sasha Tretyakov is my fellow countryman and our first Olympic athlete in skeleton + holder of all trophies in his sport. moment he is number two in the world, inferior to the younger Dukurs.

          The author of the article does not know such, the sport does not understand this, so they are not needed. laughing
          1. rabbi's pais
            rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 18: 54
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets

            The author of the article does not know such, the sport does not understand this, so they are not needed

            Apparently he is still a very young man.
        2. okunevich_rv
          okunevich_rv 23 June 2016 09: 02
          0
          I admit to put it mildly, it’s not interesting how these goons speak at the Olympiads, win, or lose when such money from the country's budget goes to the fat folds of ghouls, and not to the development of science and medicine. There is no money in the country for the treatment of children, but there are such fees to mutant athletes, there is money. Old men of pensioners were brought to the porch, for the fact that they had been working hard all their lives, and now they are collecting crumbs so that there would be enough medicine. It’s a shame for our government when you see deprived children and old people, it’s a shame for the country. In the sport it is clear that there is extra money in the budget, but there is no money for the treatment of sick children.
          The government loves football, but probably does not like children and the elderly.
          For engineers developing the country, probably also a squeamish attitude.
          It is necessary to hold an all-Russian referendum on the cessation of financing of professional sports and the allocation of budget funds to the development of medicine and industry.
        3. okunevich_rv
          okunevich_rv 23 June 2016 09: 02
          0
          I admit to put it mildly, it’s not interesting how these goons speak at the Olympiads, win, or lose when such money from the country's budget goes to the fat folds of ghouls, and not to the development of science and medicine. There is no money in the country for the treatment of children, but there are such fees to mutant athletes, there is money. Old men of pensioners were brought to the porch, for the fact that they had been working hard all their lives, and now they are collecting crumbs so that there would be enough medicine. It’s a shame for our government when you see deprived children and old people, it’s a shame for the country. In the sport it is clear that there is extra money in the budget, but there is no money for the treatment of sick children.
          The government loves football, but probably does not like children and the elderly.
          For engineers developing the country, probably also a squeamish attitude.
          It is necessary to hold an all-Russian referendum on the cessation of financing of professional sports and the allocation of budget funds to the development of medicine and industry.
      2. sir_obs
        sir_obs 22 June 2016 18: 50
        +13
        The forward of the Russian national team took off the girl, put her to bed and ... DO NOT GET!
  • Vend
    Vend 22 June 2016 17: 16
    +11
    Quote: rabbi's paisas

    You need to give up football. Look at these nits in the form of the Russian national team there is no more urine.
    Why refuse, we were champions.
    1960 European Champion (coach - G. Kachalin)
    silver medalist of the European Championship 1964 (coach - Beskov K.I.)
    silver medalist of the European Championship 1972 (coach - A. Ponomarev)
    silver medalist of the European Championship 1988 (coach - V. Lobanovsky)

    And even Olympic champions
    champion of the Olympic Games 1956 (coach - Kachalin G. D.)
    champion of the Olympic Games 1988 (coach - Byshovets A.F.)
    1972 Olympic Games bronze medalist (coach - A. Ponomaryov)
    1976 Olympic bronze medalist (coach - V. Lobanovsky)
    1980 Olympic bronze medalist (coach - K. Beskov)

    Players have no motivation, as in Soviet times or as it is now in the west. The fan must vote in rubles. That's when football fans stop going to football, then there will be a tantrum. Maybe they will think about it. Or reduce salaries to players for not being effective. Want to get well, play well. It’s like in the west.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 June 2016 17: 27
      +17
      Quote: Wend
      That's when football fans stop going to football, then there will be a tantrum.

      This is not Barcelona or Bavaria, attendance at our stadiums and so below the baseboard. What is the difference to them? Russian Railways, Gazprom or Lukoil and so give money.
    2. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 17: 38
      +9
      Quote: Wend
      Why refuse

      Then, in order not to see the muzzle of the snickering superprofessionals who are eating whiskey / smoking hookahs / traveling on private planes.
      1. Vend
        Vend 22 June 2016 18: 27
        -7
        Quote: rabbi's paisas
        Quote: Wend
        Why refuse

        Then, in order not to see the muzzle of the snickering superprofessionals who are eating whiskey / smoking hookahs / traveling on private planes.

        You have a ton of ways not to look. Football should not be closed because of your disappointments.
        1. rabbi's pais
          rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: Wend
          Football should not be closed because of your disappointments.

          It's about our football, and nobody is going to touch the imported one, dear compatriot!
          1. Vend
            Vend 22 June 2016 18: 52
            +4
            Quote: rabbi's paisas
            Quote: Wend
            Football should not be closed because of your disappointments.

            It's about our football, and nobody is going to touch the imported one, dear compatriot!

            So I am about it. You need to educate the players. There was once a yard competition "Leather Ball". Why do football players play in the west, leave the country, but their teams do not dishonor their countries. We need motivation for our players. He played poorly, was fined, or even reduced his salary. I played well, my salary and bonus are increasing. There are adequate reasons for failure, but there is ordinary laziness, not a desire to take risks.
            1. rabbi's pais
              rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 18: 58
              0
              Quote: Wend
              You need to educate the players. There was once a yard competition "Leather Ball". Why do football players play in the west, leave the country, but their teams do not dishonor their countries. We need motivation for our players. He played poorly, was fined, or even reduced his salary. I played well, my salary and bonus are increasing. There are adequate reasons for failure, but there is ordinary laziness, not a desire to take risks

              Since there is not enough mind for football, it is better to postpone it for a while.
        2. kotvov
          kotvov 22 June 2016 19: 41
          +1
          You have a ton of ways not to look. Football should not be closed because of your disappointments. ,,
          and let’s not look at anything, the fig is there, the state feeder is big for everyone (there is no stop money) there will be enough players.
    3. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 03: 13
      0
      Quote: Wend
      Quote: rabbi's paisas

      You need to give up football. Look at these nits in the form of the Russian national team there is no more urine.
      Why refuse, we were champions.
      1960 European Champion (coach - G. Kachalin)
      silver medalist of the European Championship 1964 (coach - Beskov K.I.)
      silver medalist of the European Championship 1972 (coach - A. Ponomarev)
      silver medalist of the European Championship 1988 (coach - V. Lobanovsky)

      And even Olympic champions
      champion of the Olympic Games 1956 (coach - Kachalin G. D.)
      champion of the Olympic Games 1988 (coach - Byshovets A.F.)
      1972 Olympic Games bronze medalist (coach - A. Ponomaryov)
      1976 Olympic bronze medalist (coach - V. Lobanovsky)
      1980 Olympic bronze medalist (coach - K. Beskov)

      Players have no motivation, as in Soviet times or as it is now in the west. The fan must vote in rubles. That's when football fans stop going to football, then there will be a tantrum. Maybe they will think about it. Or reduce salaries to players for not being effective. Want to get well, play well. It’s like in the west.

      But it’s not easier and much cheaper to level the clearing with bulldozers somewhere in the taiga, to put footballers nearby and let them train there. If they start to play well there, then in a flat European stadium they certainly will not leave any chances to their rivals.
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 22 June 2016 17: 37
    +8
    Well, why refuse ... Who wants to, let him play ... But! Tightly tie the work of a football player to the final result. There are no spectators in the stands, so you are not interested in anyone, and if you still lose, then you have zero in your pocket. Want to play for the national team too most-by the result. Do not like it, trade pizza ..
    1. Altona
      Altona 22 June 2016 17: 47
      +3
      Quote: dmi.pris
      Well, why refuse ... Who wants to, let him play ... But! Tightly tie the work of a football player to the final result. There are no spectators in the stands, so you are not interested in anyone, and if you still lose, then you have zero in your pocket. Want to play for the national team too most-by the result. Do not like it, trade pizza ..

      -----------------
      In the German national teams, such payments, lost, figs are bonus to you and so on, at least they will fill ..
  • Altona
    Altona 22 June 2016 17: 45
    +8
    Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
    There’s no more urine to look at these nits in the form of the Russian national team. But it’s most heated when these devils prosraf another tournament with contented faces fly home. Why the hell do we need these nonsense? I’m even afraid to imagine how these assies will be in two years play homemade champ.

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    I forgot to copy the salary table of our national team, but as a souvenir, offhand the salary range in "our football". Kokorin (Zenit) - 357 million rubles ($ 5.5 million) (!!!) a year (a million rubles every day), Neustädter (Schalke 04) - 68 million rubles a year (a million dollars roughly). Well, ok for the money. Moreover, they cynically ran away after the match, Akinfeev only apologized as if he was the only one to blame. I was already waiting for one goal, a goal of prestige. In advertisements, you watch, they juggle the ball, you watch the game - yard boys, the pioneer camp is the second shift.
    1. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 17: 59
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      I’ve been waiting for one goal, a prestige goal.

      And most of all I was waiting for Bail to beat us. It’s a pity I didn’t plant three.
      Quote: Altona
      Well, okay for the money.

      We, ordinary citizens, can never make that kind of money. And this despite the fact that we do not disgrace our country.
      Quote: Altona
      Yes, they cynically fled after the match

      It’s a pity that the children in Karelia died, and not .... Well, it’s clear who.
      Quote: Altona
      Akinfeev only apologized

      The best player in this competition from ours. But in the Champions League I set an anti-record, therefore they call him Dyrofeev.
      1. Altona
        Altona 22 June 2016 18: 37
        +5
        Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
        We, ordinary citizens, can never make that kind of money. And this despite the fact that we do not disgrace our country.

        ----------------------
        So I thought: "Why? 10 million rubles a year are not enough for these walkers with a ball? These fat bats are overfed. The Welsh made them happy with the game, and the fans sang beautiful songs from the stands."
        There was an interview with Jack Ma, the founder of Ali Baba, a consumer goods trading portal. He literally said the following: "A person needs one house, one bed, one plate of food, one cup to drink. A person does not need much. I do not wear any watch at all, everything is on the phone. I was a village teacher and lived on $ 10 in a month. The big money that the company receives is not my money, it is people's trust. People think that we are smarter and know where to invest them, how to promote them for the benefit of society. The Internet enables people to move towards their goods and services, to offer something unique to each other. " These are really golden words.
        1. rabbi's pais
          rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 18: 42
          0
          Quote: Altona
          There was an interview with Jack Ma,

          Well, Jack Ma is Chinese. And they have, thanks to God, the death penalty and the oligarchs are being wetted, therefore there are more orders.
    2. Neputin
      Neputin 22 June 2016 18: 03
      +8
      I can add: the annual salary of the Russian national football team exceeds 40 million euros. I will never believe that nothing of this money goes to our sports functionaries. Here it recently slipped that teleportation would be introduced in Russia by 2035. In my opinion, our officials have implemented it a long time ago. True, so far, apart from money, it is impossible to teleport anything, but "we are working on it ..."
  • Bath
    Bath 22 June 2016 17: 45
    +8
    Yes, our football team is really such a team they probably collected in the pubs
  • novobranets
    novobranets 22 June 2016 18: 06
    +8
    Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
    You need to give up football. Look at these nits in the form of the Russian national team there is no more urine.

    Millions of people in our country do not know how to play football, but only national team players do it for such a lot of money.
    1. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 18: 32
      +2
      Quote: novobranets
      Millions of people in our country do not know how to play football

      Before me, guinovites used to drive the ball under the windows. This is tin. So these elephants are worn around the field with a roar. I went out to the balcony to see a very interesting sight. And most importantly they have a great desire to play. And strokes, and pods, and goals from the center of the field, the technique is really lame, but it's okay.
      1. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 03: 20
        +2
        Camera with a balcony? I envy. I just have an apartment without a balcony, and it's sad.
  • Homo
    Homo 22 June 2016 18: 16
    +4
    Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
    You have to give up football.

    You can't give up football! We need to give up professional football. There is NO professionalism, but there are "professionals" ??? !!! belay
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 June 2016 18: 21
      -5
      Quote: Homo
      from professional football.

      Why only football? Let's give up sports of the highest achievements. The skier did not take the first place at the World Championship - the ski federation was closed. Volleyball players also lost them there.
      1. Homo
        Homo 23 June 2016 03: 23
        -1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        The skier did not take the first place at the World Championship - the ski federation was closed. Volleyball players also lost them there.

        Skiers and volleyball players, as well as many others, both win and lose (win more often) - this is a sport where there is a lot of luck. But the players that recently won? And in general, their victory count, fingers of one hand is enough!
      2. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 23 June 2016 03: 23
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Homo
        from professional football.

        Why only football? Let's give up sports of the highest achievements. The skier did not take the first place at the World Championship - the ski federation was closed. Volleyball players also lost them there.

        These are all half measures. Lost-shoot everyone. Immediately indicators for all sports will improve.
    2. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 18: 38
      +1
      Quote: Homo
      You can't give up football! We need to give up professional football. There is NO professionalism, but there are "professionals" ??? !!!

      First you need to throw out all the agents and the rest, which feeds for free. Recruit boys from poor and low-income families and put on a generous state allowance. This will be the result.
    3. trainer
      trainer 22 June 2016 18: 46
      +3
      What football do you consider professional? in every city there is a football club and they consider themselves to be pros. And their salaries are very decent. Mnooooogo more than in other sports. But they play as well in quotation marks as their older comrades. And why do we need such players. They play 20 leagues for 125 years in a row.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 June 2016 18: 56
        +1
        Quote: trainer
        What football do you consider professional?

        Judging by your nickname, you should know what a profession and professional sport are. wink
        Quote: trainer
        in every city there is a football club and they consider themselves to be pros. And their salaries are very decent. Mnooooogo more than in other sports.

        And how "decent"? And in which city? Moscow is a city, Olekminsk is also a city. When the Vladimir “Torpedo” won in the second league of the West zone, they never made it to the first league, because there was no money. And the salaries of football players are not royal, but, in comparison with other athletes, who generally receive a penny, they are, of course, large.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 22 June 2016 23: 23
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Why only football? Let's give up sports of the highest achievements. The skier did not take the first place at the World Championship - the ski federation was closed. Volleyball players also lost them there.

          Quote: Vladimirets
          And how "decent"?

          There are no answers, but there are cons. AU, backgammon are still adequate?
          1. trainer
            trainer 23 June 2016 21: 12
            0
            from 40 to 120 depending on the rating of the player. but for our city in the Volga it is very good money. I don’t mind that they get that kind of money, but they have to play and play well. and they are in last places in 2 leagues.
    4. Baloo
      Baloo 22 June 2016 20: 07
      +1
      I am for the cultivation of primarily applied sports, where endurance training and coordination of movements, mass and accessibility, but certainly not skeleton and curling. In the troops, it seems to me that it is necessary to promote rugby in every possible way, and not football. For the game of hand ball and equipment, special is not necessary, even on a halt: ball-berets, goal-backpacks and forward. Good training of team feeling, ability to sacrifice oneself for the sake of the team, win!
      1. Berkut752
        Berkut752 23 June 2016 12: 09
        0
        LOST one army connoisseur: "even at a halt:" ball-boots, gate-backpacks and forward. "Did you know that" gate-backpacks "thing a bag weighs up to 50 kg on" and forward. " military, throw march. "and forward." is calculated in 25 km.
  • Siga77
    Siga77 22 June 2016 18: 24
    +3
    Moreover, they do not necessarily fly home, for example, to expensive resorts for 3-5 rubles, - you need to rest after a vacation in France, and then again "earn" 3-5 rubles of green rubles. And so on ad infinitum. Russian football is senseless and merciless ...
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 22 June 2016 18: 43
    0
    To get started, make fans return money for tickets for the match and travel.

    Make these clowns highly dependent on the result. Won-received. Lost a serious penalty.
    And especially "odd" flogged with rods and expelled.
  • Svoy_tovarish
    Svoy_tovarish 22 June 2016 18: 57
    +2
    Most of the sport is a show. As well as all sorts of reality projects, pop, etc. They are and will be, but they should occupy a proper place in the life of our society, but not beyond that. We are not the United States, we are not a country of parasites. All that we have is created by the labor of millions of workers, including teachers, doctors, soldiers, rescuers, miners, drillers, sailors, engineers, scientists, technologists, builders and designers, workers in factories and combines, police officers, etc., etc. .P. These people work creating benefits not only for themselves, but also for society. Athletes and people of show business also work, but they create a spectacle for society and not a product of life, and they get much more benefits for it than those on whose activities the functioning and security of the state depend. But we do not see or hear about them, but they deserve it. In addition, after the last game of our national football team, it was once again confirmed that the sport was snickering. I think the author meant it.
    1. Altona
      Altona 22 June 2016 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: Svoy_tovarish
      Athletes and people of show business also work, but they create a spectacle for society and not a product of life, and they get much more benefits for it than those on whose activities the functioning and security of the state depend. N

      ---------------------
      Apart from biathlon, I don't see any such spectacles. But there people really work, they run 4 races a week per season. In the summer they perform in commercial starts, presenting only themselves. And who does our "gas-meat" football represent? Parastatals? Which are state-owned for losses, and commercial for salaries. I believe that Kokorin kicks our money, budget money, which is ripped off from all of us and which why we should pay him. Let him go to a foreign league and there sponsors pay him such fees. Our "Gazprom" has a lot of non-core assets - a football club, an echo of matskva, debit and refueling cards, a pension fund, a bank, snack bars. Miller with a salary of 2,2 million a day. Don't you care?
  • Maxom75
    Maxom75 22 June 2016 19: 19
    +7
    we have no student leagues at all. Look at the structure of hockey on the American continent: children's sports section, college or university student league AHL, Second Division, NHL. How many people play hockey in Canada? At the same time, according to statistics, from 600000 to 1500000 people, of which 28 can be selected, what do you think? Compare the level of our players from the NHL and KHL, heaven and earth. Four NHL traders in the team and the team did not recognize. This is what we should strive for, and not be clever and live for 60 years. time has passed irrevocably! About football is a disaster! There is no youth. Team 90% old proven LOSERS! With any coach they play for the KALEKI team! Why do we need the World Cup? A stadium is being built in Volgograd despite the fact that we do not have a professional team. Who will play on it then? What is he to us for? Spend another billions of rubles to then stand and rot? Let the roads be better done as expected, rather than spending on that championship in which we can win if we only naturalize the entire national team of Spain or Germany))) So I see the player of the Russian national team Messiah, Hulk, Schwansteiniger, Ribery))). Did you catch the idea? A ram and not a minister.
    1. Berkut752
      Berkut752 23 June 2016 12: 20
      0
      Countryman, you DO NOT TOUCH our STALINGRAD ROADS, THEY ARE STILL FROM THE WAR, AFTER THE STALINGRAD BOMB, THIS IS A MONUMENT ABOUT THE WAR. Like a mill, after all, it was preserved and not demolished, not restored. I remember climbing there as a kid. So are the roads, a "visual aid" for the future generation, about the war.
  • Rust0626
    Rust0626 22 June 2016 19: 51
    +1
    Most importantly, they are not even ashamed, do not apologize for the game.
    1. Maxom75
      Maxom75 22 June 2016 23: 40
      0
      and they do not care about us, their income does not depend on us. We are for them, and they are geniuses! (But they are not lazy, arrogant! And we need them to the army, there our geniuses immediately grabbed their faces in the face for the saying to the fans and would collect teeth from the floor. And for the rudeness, they’re also kidneys would be beaten off.
  • Hon
    Hon 22 June 2016 21: 49
    +1
    What's the difference? Gazprom coughed up money, so let it go and ask them. It’s good in the USA, there is sport in full self-sufficiency, only sponsors with minimal state participation, and there is enough money and there are results
  • viktorR
    viktorR 22 June 2016 21: 51
    +3
    Shakurov said not bad :)
  • Massimo
    Massimo 22 June 2016 23: 28
    0
    Part immediately flew to rest because they got tired very much.
  • hohkn
    hohkn 23 June 2016 06: 23
    +1
    I would suggest that for the game that our football players give out, it’s not the coaches to change, but the players themselves to be put on the minimum (legally established) salary of the nanny in the kindergarten until they learn how to play.
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  • azkolt
    azkolt 23 June 2016 09: 23
    0
    Yes, do not look !!!))) What force you to force?))))
  • 73bor
    73bor 23 June 2016 12: 13
    0
    I agree we need to end up with “Santa Barbara” called Russian football, our team is already regional clubs like Wales “have it as they want”!
  • Al1977
    Al1977 23 June 2016 12: 29
    -2
    Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
    You have to give up football. You don’t have any urine to look at these nits in the form of the Russian national team. But it’s most tense when these devils draw another tournament with contented faces. We ask why the hell are these nonsense? I’m even afraid to imagine how these assy legs in two years to play at home champion.

    And someone makes someone watch football. My wife is not looking. And I look.
    Who are you to decide for someone how to spend my leisure time and what to watch?
    If anything is forbidden, it is a KISELEVO-Nightingale trill, designed to incite hatred and causing only vomit feelings.
  • sivera1116
    sivera1116 23 June 2016 12: 48
    0
    Somewhere I heard or read an interesting proposal, but what if our "wonderful" football players were given a salary in rubles, the same figure, but in rubles, I received 1000000 euros, and now 1000000 rubles. And then it turns out the fees are ogogo what the boys are starring, and they wanted to spit (not everyone wants to hope) for some kind of European Championship, for some kind of honor of the country, pay the main loot ... And the Championship will quickly merge and have a rest, like it was in Brazil. They don't get paid for the national team ...
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 June 2016 12: 54
      0
      Quote: sivera1116
      They don’t pay money for the national team ...

      Get paid! Bonuses for reaching the final part of the European Championship or World Cup, for each game, for winning, for a draw and even for losing.
      Pays UEFA and Fed.Football.
      For the team is always a hot topic laughing
  • 73petia
    73petia 23 June 2016 19: 04
    0
    You don't have to give up anything. Even from the "skeleton moguls". It is necessary to abandon "professional sports". How good it is to run and play football yourself, and it will probably be a pleasure to "help" someone on skis. And the competitive moment will revive the whole thing. But the main thing is not "points-goals-seconds", but health and getting pleasure from the fact that you are participating in this. Even if as a "fan" (but not as a "fan").
  • northern
    northern 23 June 2016 19: 18
    +1
    it’s hard for them to run around the pole, with such a burden ...
  • disgraced shooter
    disgraced shooter 25 June 2016 02: 07
    0
    You have to give up football
    Beachmen, for example, won 2 world championships, only won the bronze in the third, and next year they may again become world champions.
  • just exp
    just exp 22 June 2016 17: 15
    +14
    from competitions maybe not worth it. but you shouldn’t do a cult with athletes either. I also really can not understand. what do millions pay them for? football players especially deliver, play something like that, the result is the same as the yard teams (the only loss is that the yard players get more goals in their own goal, but the result is the same on points).
    pancake in the tattered provincial teams get more than company directors.
    for what ? for what merit?
    1. Temples
      Temples 22 June 2016 17: 38
      +11
      I also really can not understand. what do millions pay them for?

      Yes, for the same as film and serial actors.
      For the movement of assholes.
      We are bred as suckers. Caught on patriotism.
      Only here is the MOTHERLAND and the kicking boy - as they say in Odessa TWO BIG DIFFERENCES.
    2. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 22 June 2016 17: 53
      +6
      What is it about? In our country, all these transfer payments, the maintenance of clubs, etc. - the usual washing of money for "offices" - sponsors.
  • Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 22 June 2016 17: 17
    +7
    He is an ordinary athlete, unfortunately he is a tool in the clutches of sports officials at any level. That's what crazy grandmas get for these bureaucrats — truly a question of questions. Athletes do not come up with all sorts of commissions, subcommissions, federations of the federation and other darmokhren. The bureaucrats make fake ratings for sports, and decide who is worthy and who is not. They invent a doping bootleg with pharmacists, and after inventing a new one, under the banner of the struggle for the purity of thoughts and bodies of athletes, they declare this bootleg a steroid and stick a new, more expensive one. Then someone said already, looking at the figure of Masha Sharapova and the village of Williams guess who takes steroids? But they didn’t guess, Sharapova, but a biorobot with eggs, Williams, the Yankees princess! To disperse all pederatii to ..... no mother, and will- Oh, sport, you are the world! negative
  • Maxom75
    Maxom75 22 June 2016 19: 08
    +11
    Why refuse? Here I have another question: Whose national treasure is Gazprom? Judging by the fact that with his money they buy legionnaires at the Zenith at the price of a pair of business jets, I don't understand - is this such a business? The Hulk cost 85 million euros, did he raise the country's GDP? Maybe the school's sports are in Russia? Why do we need this? At 85 million euro can support 85 sports schools across the country in which 400 children will study, and this is modestly 34000 children from which one Hulk can you choose? This is just one example. How many such proffies do we have in all sports? FC Lokomotiv is supported by Russian Railways. RAO "Russian Railways" 100% state the company, thus each of us pays for the whims of the management of RAO "Russian Railways" out of his own pocket, because all costs are included in the freight rate. And they asked me, do I need it? Profit of RAO Russian Railways in 2014 700 million rubles, the maintenance of FC Lokomotiv 12 billion rubles. After that RAO Russian Railways goes to the government and begs for money due to unprofitability. What kind of profits with such costs can be? And also volleyball clubs, basketball, hockey and more. Better to build more ice rinks for 5000 spectators across the country and for this crazy money open FREE children's sections, and in 5 years you will have legions of the Malkins and Ovechins. plus a child who has gone through a sports section will no longer become a drug addict or drunk. He is busy and will maintain his health all his life, as well as become a fan of his sport. I generally keep quiet about the skeleton and so on. But football is our toothache, it is impossible to look at these Pinocchio on the field without disgust. And what are their fees? These bow-legged cripples still go on strike if they do not want to pay 2 million euros or more, and you deserve them? after the RFU complains about the low attendance of the Russian championship - is it these freaks I have to look at and still pay for it? I'd rather look at the guys in the yard, that's where the passion for the game and dedication are. see how our soccer rabble flew to Slovakia, Wales. There are not the most stellar athletes, but the stars in their teams are worn like young boys. Ours crawl across the field as if they were in the ass all night with an enema. There is only one conclusion: more courtyards and small sports complexes, pools and ice rinks. A decent salary for coaches working in sports sections, and let the pros earn themselves and look for sponsors.
    1. rabbi's pais
      rabbi's pais 22 June 2016 19: 16
      +3
      Quote: Maxom75
      There is only one conclusion: there are more courtyards and small sports complexes, pools and ice platforms. A decent salary for trainers working in sports sections, and let the pros earn themselves and look for sponsors.

      So it was necessary to build all this and spend money on salaries for coaches and raising children, instead of wasting money on Sochi and Champions ’adventures.
  • fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 22 June 2016 20: 30
    +3
    Quote: Wend
    So, according to the author of Russia, it is necessary to abandon sports competitions? Well, I do not.

    Well, the draft can be counted. The author clearly brought to the grotesque, then - with which, deep down, almost everyone agrees. Hence the violent reaction.
    Now actually IMHO. Sports, including exotic, are needed. But financing is obviously required for some leeches to squeeze. And stop idolizing the jesters already. These are people who do the work (some are very shitty)
  • ANANATOLY PAULOV
    ANANATOLY PAULOV 23 June 2016 06: 22
    0
    You do not understand the author, he did not say a word about refusing to compete, on the contrary, he is for the competition. He simply says that we need really sports competitions, and not competitions of tight wallets. After all, look what happens, people who want to really go in for sports cannot get to the stadiums. There are "professionals". There people indulge the cattle who demand "bread and circuses" from life, and spectacle is not a competition. And the worst thing is that people participating in this madness maim themselves for the sake of records, maim themselves for the sake of some kind of primacy. Have you seen at least one of these champions healthy at the age of 30? No! And look what the doctors who serve these champions are doing, they are treating the injuries they received during training. Notice those, not competitions - tren erovok! They stuff them with dope. Do you think there are “clean” non-doping athletes among these champions. No, no and NO. Everybody uses doping. Everything. They just want to convict some of this and incriminate, while others turn a blind eye to others. And what is this sport? After all, sport is health, and what kind of health is it? The state spends money on these sodomazochists, the money that it should spend on the construction of sports grounds, public stadiums, on the organization of sports clubs. Understand! Where records begin, sports end.
  • nik-karata
    nik-karata 23 June 2016 11: 06
    0
    Comrade general, minus yours! You are not being asked to give up the competition. If you think a little, then the author's proposal to transfer any "forgiven the Lord" skeleton to self-sufficiency!
  • nik-karata
    nik-karata 23 June 2016 11: 06
    0
    Comrade general, minus yours! You are not being asked to give up the competition. If you think a little, then the author's proposal to transfer any "forgiven the Lord" skeleton to self-sufficiency!
  • Cruel beaver
    Cruel beaver 23 June 2016 11: 35
    0
    In the form they are (sports) now there is-YES!
  • 73petia
    73petia 23 June 2016 18: 51
    0
    Not from competitions, but from the sport of "high achievements".
    All this "high performance sport" doesn't make any sense.
    Physical education, it makes sense. And competitions within the framework of physical education make sense. Health, improving the quality of life - this is the goal of physical education.
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 22 June 2016 17: 00
    +63
    PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES - DARMOUEDS.

    Not all, there are real athletes. hi
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 22 June 2016 17: 14
      +1
      Well, yes, the athlete is different.
    2. Woland
      Woland 22 June 2016 17: 38
      +10
      Are these what? Who train at their own expense and earn their living by participating in sports? Don’t tell my slippers! They all live at the expense of the state, that is, ours for you. I can object, but people go to football, hockey, etc. and pay money for it? They go. Of the total number of our population, 1 percent. The stands are mostly 70% empty. And how much does it cost to maintain these stadiums (I'm not talking about the fees of these parasites) And the taxes from which their incomes flow are paid by ALL! You ask your friends. No, not those who go to these matches with you. and those who don’t go there (such as the vast majority) agree to pay for this sport from their own pockets. so that you are interested in spending leisure time. And you will be ANSWERED! But it’s necessary how all the artists come in. From their money they pay for the premises and all the costs of the concert. So athletes, all costs to bear out of their money. And then everything will be fair. But I'm 150% sure. that they would not be able to hold one competition. And they would have to go and WORK like everyone, so that there is enough for bread
    3. KCA
      KCA 22 June 2016 17: 44
      +2
      these are especially good fellows, but we also have beach goers - twice world champions, and even our homeless people in their championship seemed to perform quite well, can the homeless team, the national team in slops, and the homeless in Ferrari?
    4. Maxom75
      Maxom75 22 June 2016 20: 27
      +1
      And the Russian national beach soccer team is where the man beats. Uvazhuha to them) But the “kings of the green lawn” do not deserve anything other than mate.
  • vladfill
    vladfill 22 June 2016 17: 13
    +6
    Do you think it is normal to pay out of your pocket, from the budget, or by the sponsor "Gazprom"?
  • avt
    avt 22 June 2016 17: 16
    +8
    Quote: asadov
    Bullshit

    Demanding some kind of "patriotism" from millionaires and then getting Arshavinsky - "these are your problems", and even paying for all this money for tickets to see fool .If you really want to, then you need to, like in a Soviet film with Borisov as party secretary, where his driver woke up at night from the noise and saw - Borisov was playing the piano and saying - "You don't know how to play, you will dance to study", and the whole team will tap-dance beats.
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  • Delink
    Delink 22 June 2016 18: 01
    +3
    And the hell are they so "good"?
    Previously, they fought ideologically, now for grandmas.
    You get 30t.rub. They get independently many times more.
    And let them get the same amount every month, but if they played in a draw, here’s 50% of the 30t rub rate. And if you won, then here according to the contract. So at least some incentive will appear.
  • PKK
    PKK 22 June 2016 18: 12
    0
    it’s Mutko Amer’s litter, driving a coup against Putin. The author also veiledly supports the Minister of Sports. These are dangerous people.
  • PDM80
    PDM80 23 June 2016 05: 50
    0
    The author of the elder Raikin repeats what he said many years ago (literally I don’t remember: “About football - why should they run around, let them wear a bag, and the ballerina should spin, why should he spin, connect a dynamo to her, let it generate electricity”
    But seriously, the author, of course, is part of the rights about professional athletes, they really don’t produce anything and work in their own name and have money from it, BUT what about the facilities that they build for their sport, those children who are trying to be like their idols, they go in for sports, instead of thumping and drug addicts, they don’t become professionals, they become engineers, doctors, they teach their children to sport for the most part, HOW with this ?!
    We simply accustomed athletes to the fact that they are parasites, not in all sports, in which some, especially football, hockey, when they gather a bunch of professionals, but to no avail, everyone came to rest for himself or so.
    Well, about para-Olympic sports, I don’t even say these are special people at all, on whom we must look both small and old.
  • raif
    raif 23 June 2016 06: 55
    0
    in one, the author is right - figure skating, skeleton, and the like sports, especially art - is not even a sport. it all depends on the opinion of the jury. and about the bare ass of a young figure skater - also right, by the way. refuse to compete is not necessary, but what for remove such competitions as curling. otherwise there is a throwing of logs, wives and milk cans - let’s do it too. or eating hamburgers - here the states will directly support at the highest level.
  • Terminolol
    Terminolol 23 June 2016 08: 23
    0
    I support, nonsense, and everyone under one comb cannot be combed. My personal opinion is that too much money revolves around professional sports and this leads to corruption. To give up professional sports for the sake of saving money is stupid, let's give up the army, because there is no war. Big sport stimulates amateur and, accordingly, the health of the nation, life expectancy, working age ... and further, further. Recall the rise of amateur sports in Russia after the Olympics, wasn’t it worth it !?
    I agree that a more specific allocation of money to athletes is required. There is no need to support non-performing veterans, but rather increase funding as the athlete grows professionally. Stop pouring rabid grandmothers into unpromising forms such as football. To disperse a bunch of committees and ministries involved in sports, leave one, such as the Olympic and give everything to him alone, so that there would be someone to ask.
  • azkolt
    azkolt 23 June 2016 09: 28
    +1
    I fully support! The author is like! He does not understand anything not in sports and it seems that they are driven by envious malice! Some kind of dwarf states are trying to develop their professional sport, go to the Olympics, and this figure offers us to abandon the sport altogether! Probably he will listen to him all the time even of this charlatan Levashov. In my deep conviction, all his fans, or conscious enemies of Russia or just plain-minded people! Listen to this nonsense is simply impossible! truth in Russia they said, never believe the red-haired and crooked!
  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 23 June 2016 13: 18
    +1
    Quote: asadov
    Bullshit

    I minus an article.
    Why?
    I will try to explain.
    the author writes that you seem to read the right things - you agree and you nod your head. yes they say, everything is so. Until I read up to this
    But those days are long gone, no one is seriously considering a war with the United States
    . Do you know what rotten liberalism is? Remember the end of perestroika in the beginning of the nineties, when we saw our Power. Then the smart liberals poured the same thing into our ears.
    No one argues that a professional athlete does not directly provide a service and does not increase the country's runways, as a matter of fact, our poplars and armats do not increase it. And if they believe the author, we don’t need the same damn thing, they have one loss from them, are we going to fight with America?
    But to call a person who is really engaged in professional sports worthless, I would definitely not. Anya worked as an assistant for me, she gave figure skating for twenty years, then age, a set of injuries, and as they say, she went to the national economy. So this is what I am for. It is very difficult to find such a purposeful and efficient person. And I respected her very real.

    Well, as for the players (it was against the backdrop of the failed loss that the author threw this article) Yes, what the hell are they professional athletes. Let's talk frankly - football in Russia has died. And something tells me that the courtyard team of the years of the fifties and eighties of the last century would kick these foolball players their dear asshole without really straining.
  • vasari2
    vasari2 24 June 2016 01: 16
    +1
    I agree completely-Nonsense !!! This is the same, music, art, ballet, theater-people professionally involved in all this, call parasites ... Well, this scribbler about the Paralympic people did not write? Demagogue fucking! Also, professionals didn’t raise his hand To call disabled people parasites? Immediately they would drive us to a stall? And then they attacked them, Atu them, parasites !!! To the wall !!! You need to think - Your Mother !!!
  • 7race
    7race 22 June 2016 16: 55
    .
    In defense of our football team - at least they definitely did not accept meldonium! Infa sotochka.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 22 June 2016 17: 00
      +4
      Quote: 7race
      In defense of our football team - at least they definitely did not accept meldonium! Infa sotochka.

      Whether they accept it or not is unknown.
      But knowing the game of these funibolists, I think they were not even tested, there was not even a word about them!
      1. Riv
        Riv 22 June 2016 17: 05
        +11
        Yes, it would be better to take. Better disqualification than such a shame. In general, according to the concepts after Wales, they had to feed potassium cyanide as a dope, every tenth.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 22 June 2016 18: 06
          +4
          Quote: Riv
          In general, according to the concepts after Wales, they had to feed potassium cyanide as doping

          I have a different proposal, but alas, it is late.
          After such shameful games, they should not be allowed into any transport!
          So that they would return home by foot, each to their own city, since they don’t know how to use their feet more worthily!
      2. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 22 June 2016 17: 08
        +2
        Quote: Starover_Z
        But knowing the game of these funibolists, I think they were not even tested, there was not even a word about them!


        They checked, and took samples several times. A total of 47 samples were taken.
      3. Maxom75
        Maxom75 22 June 2016 23: 45
        0
        they don’t check the lawn mowers and cleaners of the stadium, ours probably decided to slip through there in the noise?)))
    2. vladfill
      vladfill 22 June 2016 17: 18
      +3
      And not only they, and the hockey team, and the biathlon team, and doping will not help.
  • Abbra
    Abbra 22 June 2016 16: 57
    +2
    Controversial thoughts, and even I would say stupid. Even the fact that the victory of our hockey players, for example, gives thousands of people emotional joy, awakens the FEELING of life in them (I'm talking about fans, not rabid fans), already says that athletes do not "work" for free. Sport is generally a largely philosophical category. This is a kind of human desire for perfection. If we talk as an author, then why the heck we have a movie, a theater, we need to disperse all the men for dominoes in the yard, play poker - rub elbows, burn books (and what do they give, besides wasting paper). You can go so far ...

    And regarding the fact that ours went too far in relation to exorbitant payment to professionals, I agree. Something needs to be done here. Everything is bought and everything is for sale. So Mutko Slutsky defends, they say, the players played at their limit. And who selected these footballers with their "borders" for the national team from 143 million of the country?

    Yes, and more ... What does this nonsense have to do with VO?
    1. vvp2412
      vvp2412 22 June 2016 17: 10
      +25
      You did not understand the author, and the author himself could not convey his idea for sure.
      He is against these athletes receiving unjustified fees!
      Was there a professional sport in the USSR ?! And the sports legends were not billionaires!
      Do you want to be a pro? Be. Here is ZP, like a good hard worker! But not millions for the fact that you squander everything in the team and everywhere ?!
      And also for the fact that you screw everything up and get fabulous loot, you are a "hero" ....
      1. wow
        wow 22 June 2016 17: 25
        +4
        I absolutely agree with you !!!
    2. Riv
      Riv 22 June 2016 17: 10
      +4
      Hockey players ... Kharlamov who was it? Major. Alexander Maltsev? Colonel And who are the current ones? Yes, no one. Success is consistent.
      1. papas-57
        papas-57 22 June 2016 17: 58
        +6
        '' Kharlamov who was? Major. Alexander Maltsev? Colonel. '' Don't make people laugh, what military men they are, they never served in the army. They were registered in the sports clubs of the SA and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. If you don’t believe, or you know something, name their military posts and units where and by whom they commanded. And the athletes were good, they fought for the clubs and the national team without sparing either themselves or their rivals, and did not whine about small salaries.
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    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 June 2016 17: 19
      -2
      Quote: Abbra
      ours have gone too far

      Our? This is a global trend. Is the same Ronaldo, Messi, Bale or Ibrahimovic worth the money that clubs pay for their transitions? Well, ours cost adequate money in comparison with them, because they are monopolists, the cat wept more or less high-quality Russian footballers, and there is a limit on legionnaires in football, so the price tags are lifted up to very average, by world (or European) standards of football players .
      Quote: Abbra
      Even the fact that the victory of our hockey players, for example, gives thousands of people emotional joy, awakens the FEELING of life in them (I'm talking about fans, not rabid fans), already says that athletes do not "work" for free.

      This is a joy for people, often the only one, the prestige and image of the country, which is also important.
      Quote: Abbra
      If we argue as an author, then why the heck do we need a movie, a theater, we need to disperse all the men for dominoes in the courtyard, play poker - wipe your elbows, burn books (and what they give, except for wasting paper). You can go so far ...

      What about the army? She also does not produce anything, maybe even that ... It seems to me that the author brings this to this. Well, looking at Levashov from the first video, it becomes clear that he definitely doesn’t need sports. yes Although, obviously, that would not hurt. what
      1. Abbra
        Abbra 22 June 2016 17: 21
        0
        Right I wanted to write about it, but then I thought - maybe a person is sick?
      2. SSW-GSM
        SSW-GSM 22 June 2016 20: 17
        0
        The army performs its tasks. And better than the players.
    4. Good cat
      Good cat 22 June 2016 17: 19
      +2
      All the same, the game itself gives you a greater sense of life when you play it yourself, and not just watch it.
    5. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 22 June 2016 17: 31
      +4
      Controversial thoughts, and even I would say stupid. Even the fact that the victory of our hockey players, for example, gives thousands of people emotional joy, awakens the FEELING of life in them (I'm talking about fans, not rabid fans), already says that athletes do not "work" for free.


      Then what emotionally give thousands of people their constant defeat? Following your logic: lost - money back !!!
    6. andrew42
      andrew42 22 June 2016 17: 33
      +13
      This nonsense still has something to do with VO. Let's compare the salary of Aleksandr Prokhorenko, who died in Syria, and, say, Dziuba (although there are not so many complaints against him personally, just a sonorous surname, he just did not hit the gate, just Zhirik promoted himself on it). And then there are "Arshavins", "Ignashevichs", "Berezutskys", "Kokorins" - these are common names of all this lads. Well, here's the salary of a similar domestic (!) Ball runner pulls on a million Euros. (no bonuses). This is an annual salary of 6000 thousand teachers / doctors / educators. Six thousand, Abbra! (I wanted to say, Karl, came to his senses in time). Six thousand of those who can hardly make ends meet with extra work! Roughly speaking, this is the salary of 1000 such contractors like the same Hero of Russia Prokhorenko. What kind of state is this that appreciates the performers of a shitty football show (and even if the talent is a la Streltsov), and in comparison with this does not value absolutely neither Teachers, nor Warriors, nor Doctors? What kind of patriotism will we instill in the growing population of the country, whose idols will be such "sportsmen"? - None. This "type of sport" fattening funkioners and impudent "clowns in the field" must be killed in the bud. This is a shame for the country, but it is important for the current state. but why, this is a different conversation.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 June 2016 16: 58
    +2
    Everything is good in moderation. Wild criticism is deadly to the cause.
    The athlete does not produce goods and does not provide services.
    The author, the article is resonant, but do not splash out the baby. There were always competitions, and always people went to them and cheered for their own. You still tie dynamo to the ballerina’s foot, oh energy will be free. And give the 22 m buoys rammers for tamper, asphalt the planet. But dope is a problem, you need to fight it. And there is demand from the trainer - 3-4 athletes are noticed, the asphalt track coaches should be laid.
    1. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 22 June 2016 17: 42
      +4
      Doping is not a problem; it is an ordinary ordinary phenomenon in almost any sport; to say something about pure sports without pharmaceuticals, all records must be reset to the 50s of the last century, and then German methane in my opinion at the end of 30 handfuls at the prosport is now a pharmaceutical concern competition which shove their freaks onto the stage
    2. Neputin
      Neputin 22 June 2016 18: 13
      +3
      Don't talk about doping! Everyone is doping. It's just that we have a backward pharmacology. so they catch it. Those who went in for sports more or less professionally know them. I went through the "school of the Olympic reserve" in due time. I can responsibly declare: everything up to the level of 1 sports category is sports. Further kms., Ms., Msmk, etc. everything is within human limits. Well, a person should not run 100 meters in 9 seconds or lift 400 kg. It doesn't work that way. But you need to. So everyone is stuffed with stimulants, antioxidants and other rubbish. Especially when you start showing results.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 June 2016 18: 22
        0
        Quote: Neputin
        here and catch.

        Especially if such a goal is set. yes
      2. trainer
        trainer 22 June 2016 19: 16
        0
        I agree to all 200%
      3. pv1005
        pv1005 22 June 2016 21: 21
        +2
        Quote: Neputin
        Don't talk about doping! Everyone is doping. It's just that we have a backward pharmacology. so they catch it. Those who went in for sports more or less professionally know them. I went through the "school of the Olympic reserve" in due time. I can responsibly declare: everything up to the level of 1 sports category is sports. Further kms., Ms., Msmk, etc. everything is within human limits. Well, a person should not run 100 meters in 9 seconds or lift 400 kg. It doesn't work that way. But you need to. So everyone is stuffed with stimulants, antioxidants and other rubbish. Especially when you start showing results.

        He performed the CCM track and field athletics at the school, doping was an extraordinary dismissal. And someone did the MS, they often went to the ridge, doping. yes
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 22 June 2016 17: 00
    +6
    Quite entertaining, and most importantly, there is a rational grain and common sense in the article. I always asked myself why the Olympic Games were called the Olympic Games, held every four years in different countries, and not in Greece, and include sports in which it is almost impossible to identify the sole strongest ??? request
    Of course, for the sake of money, shows are served, to which professionals are allowed, as the most "watchable" contingent.
    hi
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 22 June 2016 17: 37
      +5
      Well, that's the answer. Bravo! Indeed, there is no smell of sports CULTURE here. Show for plebs through highly paid "gladiators" advertising consumerism.
  • Oznob
    Oznob 22 June 2016 17: 00
    +5
    I'm just thinking about showbiz. Sokolov Andrey expanded his attitude towards prof. sportsmen. Looks at the root.
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    1. fiodor
      fiodor 22 June 2016 17: 16
      +3
      You have to pay after the fact, you won it worked out one hundred percent, get it and sign it, so to speak. and if you lose, don’t be blameworthy, sit without a salary, go earn extra money for bread. maybe then what kind of motivation will appear?
      1. dauria
        dauria 22 June 2016 19: 14
        +1
        You have to pay after the fact, you won it worked out one hundred percent, get it and sign it, so to speak. and if you lose, do not judge me without a salary,


        A little bit wrong, but the principle is true. This is a business; you won’t be able to name the language of sport. They get money for the right to broadcast, advertising, etc. That is, they will not be impoverished, even if they just walk around the field. Simply, the club (its owner and sponsor) pays a deposit for the right to fly under the flag of the Russian Federation. The size of the collateral should be such that it equals all incomes (entrust to retailers, they can count laughing) And that’s it. We scold, we are sitting on the salary of a guard ... We won, you get everything back or part of the result.
        They don’t want, don’t. Better without a team at all than with these ...
    2. Consul-t
      Consul-t 22 June 2016 17: 50
      +1
      And only apologies are incomprehensible. Yes, I don’t need their apologies to x .. I don’t need to give a damn about the country’s honor, I don’t give a damn about the people


      Yes, they are insolent that they don’t even apologize. See how their journalists met at the airport. They do not even consider it necessary to apologize, and some, like the famous Arshavin, generally believe that they did everything well.
      So, I have no words, only emotions.
      Drive the whole team from football forever, deprive all cash salaries. Let them go to the factories as loaders or couriers, though ... then how they run the couriers from them hre.ovye get
  • atamankko
    atamankko 22 June 2016 17: 04
    +7
    This is not a national team,
    where well-paid mercenaries play and compete.
  • amr
    amr 22 June 2016 17: 06
    +10
    In many matters, I agree with the author ...
    Children at an early age are sewn in the setting for records, fame, etc. .... in the age of 20-25 it turns out that 85% of these professionals are disabled, and from the beginning they were funded as super pros, and then also pensions ..... ..
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 June 2016 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: amr
      and from the beginning they were funded as super pros, and then also pensions .......

      Only superstars finance well, first find out how youth sports are funded, then talk. Well, about pensions it’s completely ridiculous.
  • Bramb
    Bramb 22 June 2016 17: 08
    +3
    Quote: 7race
    In defense of our football team - at least they definitely did not accept meldonium! Infa sotochka.

    If our football players took meldonium - then this meldonium is definitely not a dope!
  • UzRus
    UzRus 22 June 2016 17: 12
    -5
    If we continue the logic of the author, then we can agree the devil knows what. For example, a person is sick and will die after some time. After what it is unknown, in a year, two, three, but he will surely die. So now, doesn’t he need to be given medications, connected to a life support system? What for? Anyway, she’s going to die, what the hell are medicines to spend on it (it’s better to give them to others, yes), electricity, doctors' salaries, etc.? So what?
  • Old26
    Old26 22 June 2016 17: 12
    .
    Quote: asadov
    Bullshit

    I would say nonsense VERY mare. So you can reach complete insanity. Who does not produce something - parasites. for example, teachers, or doctors. They also produce nothing, no cultural or other things ...
    As it was in "Beware of the car": "How much better ... would play on stage if she stood at the bench during the day"
    Pancake. it seems that the author does not know that for the last 50-60t years we only had professional sports doing something at the World Championships or the Olympics. Or does the author think that CSKA hockey players came to the ice after a daily duty at combat posts or after a day in the company ???

    Article - MINUS
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 22 June 2016 17: 46
      +8
      Not understood. Do teachers produce nothing? Well, my dear, sit at home with textbooks, teach the child yourself. Do the doctors produce nothing? - Of course, medical specialties are different, but in this case, you will cut your appendicitis yourself, there is nothing to go to the emergency room, why treat / operate your old people? - so they themselves will leave. By the way, the Army and the Navy also "do not produce anything." We are talking about a glaring disproportionate pay in spectacular sports, compared with the state-forming professions. This disproportion is monstrous! This is a feast during the plague. It is time to establish a state monopoly on team sports, with limiting wages and administrative fines at half of these payments - "for deceiving the consumer." And then all the gingerbread, and not a single stick. And also irresponsibility as an initially inherent parameter. Here, Kokorin went for the national team to "play". I went. I would have played well, I would have received even more "sports capital". Would be appreciated more, would have added a couple of million Euros to the salary. But .. Kokorin and his comrades could not stand up for the honor of the country and the state. I went for bonuses, but brought the country to the closet in the sports arena. And what will the conditional Kokorin be responsible for? - And nothing! Returns to the club, will be legal 3 euro a year to master, and plus bonuses, if suddenly "flashes with talent." These are examples that corrupt the people. Why hunch back with creative labor? - Here he is, an example of "success in life."
      1. alexander 2
        alexander 2 22 June 2016 18: 32
        +2
        You really do not understand. There are a lot of necessary and important professions which, according to the author Andrei Sokolov, do not produce anything. Teachers and doctors relate to them. If you take his point of view, then not only they, but also the military are not needed. It is necessary to close all theaters, museums, circuses. All entertainment programs and much more. Close the entire paint and varnish industry, fashion houses, dismiss all designers and fashion designers, etc. Cancel all holidays. Would you like to live in such a world? Me not!
        PS The fact that in sport it is necessary to restore order, I agree. But stop funding because of this? I do not agree.
        By the way, in the 90s, by the same logic, Kudrin sent all the money to the west. Like, they still steal from us.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 June 2016 18: 31
      0
      Quote: Old26
      ... the impression is that the author does not know that for the last 50-60 years we have only professional sports, something there ...


      In order stop When it comes to theater, by the way (How much better would Ermolova play in the evening if she stood by the grinding machine during the day!), - one. A mediocre game of actors will not bring any benefit, etc., ... When the author makes a speech about sports professionals and their necessary demand, he tries to stir up the convolutions of the interlocutors (who have read the article) with the thought of the worthlessness of the role of some sports professionals with rather impressive costs for their maintenance and support, the main burden of which lies with the taxpayers, who, in turn, get negative emotions, resentment (it’s a shame for the State !!! wink ), and incomprehensible thoughts that out of the wide open spaces of their native country out of 146 (with too much) could not find and imagine a decent belay crying
  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 22 June 2016 17: 14
    +8
    But in some things the author is certainly right-exorbitantly inflated salaries, a complete lack of desire to give all the best in speaking for the national team, rudeness towards his fans ... The list can be continued for a long time.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 25 June 2016 07: 29
      +1
      Sport and human health are incompatible concepts ..
      But physical culture and human health are very compatible concepts ..
      This is what needs to be promoted and done. It's great when "boxes" are put in the courtyards for children - to play football and hockey and just go skating, you can remember the "towns" too ..
      A person must walk a day - 5 kilometers for health ..
      I have such a "feel" that there are fewer pedestrians in the city than cars, that it is not "ice" at all ..
  • major124
    major124 22 June 2016 17: 21
    +5
    I agree ... especially after the enchantingly pro-french Euro 2016 ... What kind of equipment do our guys have! Ugh, a herd of invalids ....
  • masiya
    masiya 22 June 2016 17: 21
    +1
    The author’s opinion is, of course, controversial, but it is necessary to give credit to the partially taking place event, and do not immediately dismiss it as anti-sporting, and even more so atirossiyskiy, every opponent needs to think about it individually, and even a consonant ...
  • Ivan65
    Ivan65 22 June 2016 17: 23
    +6
    In Soviet times, the coach constantly hollowed so that athletes received higher education. Some who, through strength after training and in hospitals after injuries, studied and received real knowledge, diplomas and even some who realized themselves in a non-sporting life.
    Athletes didn’t live badly, but now football players' salaries are a longed dream for kids who form a personality and desire to become a rich football player, and it’s bad that only a consumer personality grows.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 22 June 2016 17: 24
    +4
    The fuse of the author is clear. In ancient Rome there were gladiators and the audience was delighted with the sight of fights. Today, the desire for spectacles is no less than here athletes are trying. This is how they try to raise a lot of questions. The fact that professional athletes sometimes lose is simply amazing, but then there are long explanations of the heroic efforts and the impossibility of victory from the treachery of judges and other doping. It's time to admit that sports shows have only one goal: entertainment and earnings for * showmen *, then it becomes clear the irresponsibility of everyone who * is spinning * in this environment. Just like in the theater after the failure: well, think about it, but the next time we play. And there is a requirement to increase funding, but how can such professionals play and perform? The fact that athletes need to * let go * for self-financing is more than fair. Many claims to * parasites * will be removed immediately and again it will be possible to respect athletes.
  • chinelev. v
    chinelev. v 22 June 2016 17: 26
    +4
    I completely agree with the author!
  • activator
    activator 22 June 2016 17: 37
    -5
    The author of a snob and a hypocrite, all you see for him, do you see a profit at home, probably even a cat doesn’t have any use from him? especially in the apartment. Figure Skating Veiled Striptease request what can I say then when you piss and forgive the member you hold, then this is hidden masturbation laughing according to the author? By the way, even in childhood I watched with interest the skaters ’performances, it’s just beautiful, and the fact that people do all sorts of nonsense at a professional level is what we humans are, not ants. Life is boring without folly. By the way, I’m an adherent of alternative stories, but Levashev is not the hero of my novel. And it’s not that others are talking about him, but that he is talking about himself. And the pyramid in 2009 over the Kremlin of dark forces was destroyed and even the science named after Levashev appeared on seminars on improving the work of the brain. As for me, such people discredit the idea.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 20: 20
      0
      Quote: activator
      watched with interest skaters

      And what is there to watch? Neither boobs nor pussy .. sleepers. Like men in tights ... ugh
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 22 June 2016 17: 38
    +7
    Quote: Wend
    So, according to the author of Russia, it is necessary to abandon sports competitions? Well, I do not.

    Yes, we don’t have sport today, from the word at all. Destroyed instead of the USSR. There is only business in sports.
  • Skubudu
    Skubudu 22 June 2016 17: 41
    +2
    At least remove the fabulous premium medals.
    Many countries pay purely symbolic bonuses; many do not pay bonuses at all.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 18: 05
      +2
      Quote: Skubudu
      At least remove the fabulous premium medals.

      Prizes? For what? If you work and do not fulfill your function as an employee, what will the employer do with you? That's right, he’ll ask ... and these mediocrity is received simply because they are and receive so much that we never dreamed of ... what are their bonuses? For the average salary, parasites. Won, get paid, no - dosvidos ...
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 June 2016 19: 27
        -2
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        If you work and do not fulfill your function as an employee, what will the employer do with you? That's right, he’ll ask ... and these mediocrity is received simply because they are and receive so much that we never dreamed of ... what are their bonuses? For the average salary, parasites. Won, get paid, no - dosvidos ...

        Doctor, I don’t know what your specialty is, but let's say a surgeon. You are a good surgeon, for example, you bring two patients with acute appendicitis, one you operate on, the other surgeon from Israel, USA, Holland, it does not matter for speed and quality (albeit only for quality), an authoritative consultation determines the winner. You lose, and there is no monthly salary. But foreign surgeons will go home. and besides you, we have no one. How is the comparison? smile
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 20: 06
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          How is the comparison?

          Miracle You are wonderful .. hi Compare .op and finger ... Yes, I’m a surgeon, guessed it, and I think you are a big fan of sports, since you decided on such a comparison. I don’t want to comment on this, it’s going to be nonsense ... alright, let's))) I didn’t fulfill my function ... the appendicitis didn’t operate on you as it should, I made a mistake in the appointments .. well, in the end, you (don’t give God) become disabled due to my fault .. you go to me (or to court) with complaints .. and I tell you - I did everything I could, apparently this is my ceiling (as one of the players in our team said). And how do you like this answer? winked You say - yes you are a DOCTOR, as you could, you swore an oath, etc. And I’ll tell you, I was traveling, it was sick, dosvidos, I’m in the Caribbean .. an airplane with girls and champagne is waiting)))
          1. region58
            region58 22 June 2016 20: 31
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            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            I’m a surgeon and did not fulfill my function ... appendicitis did not operate on you as it should, I made a mistake later in appointments ..

            Continuing the analogy "and the dough from the patient was ripped off not childishly"
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 22 June 2016 20: 43
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            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            You are a wonderful miracle .. Compare .ope and finger ... Yes, I’m a surgeon, guessed it, and I think you are a big sports fan, since you decided on such a comparison.

            Comparison of these parts of the human body is an integral part of military service, sorry for the tautology. And I have a lot of acquaintances, namely surgeons (some are already dead, the kingdom of heaven), to get a little insight into your cynicism (no offense, I understand perfectly well what it means to pull people out of the other world and when it doesn’t work, you can’t let all of this through you , you can clink glasses without an internal mechanism).
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            I’m a surgeon and did not fulfill my function ... the appendicitis did not operate on you as it should, I made a mistake later in the appointments .. well, as a result, you (God forbid) become disabled due to my fault .. You go to me (or to court ) with claims .., and I tell you - I did everything I could, apparently this is my ceiling (as one of the players in our team said). And how do you like this answer? You say - yes you are a DOCTOR, as you could, you swore an oath, etc. And I’ll tell you, I was traveling, it was sick, dosvidos, I’m in the Caribbean .. an airplane with girls and champagne is waiting)))

            Well, that is, an excuse for the team?
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    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 18: 05
      +1
      Quote: Skubudu
      At least remove the fabulous premium medals.

      Prizes? For what? If you work and do not fulfill your function as an employee, what will the employer do with you? That's right, he’ll ask ... and these mediocrity is received simply because they are and receive so much that we never dreamed of ... what are their bonuses? For the average salary, parasites. Won, get paid, no - dosvidos ...
    3. alexander 2
      alexander 2 22 June 2016 18: 40
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      On the contrary. It is necessary to remove fabulous salaries, and leave bonuses. Played or performed well - get it, bad - figs to you.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 22 June 2016 17: 42
    +5
    In many ways, I agree with the author. With regards to non-Olympic species, the picture is different. Familiar with many athletes not Olympic type. Including the highest level, there is no higher. They earn money for the opportunity to play sports, the most natural way for a person. Sometimes they try to seek sponsorship. Some have their own powerful press.
    And the income of one professional of Russian football would be enough to maintain the sports sections of the whole city.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 22 June 2016 17: 48
    +4
    All these millionth salaries appeared in our country with the advent of foreign hockey players and players who had to pay accordingly.
    Question: What do they have to do with Russian sport. They go to work, as well as ours abroad, therefore they are not athletes and cannot be called such.
  • engineering
    engineering 22 June 2016 17: 53
    +4
    I think it will be right if I came to represent my country, especially for football, and did not take the prize, then pay all the services provided to you from your pocket, starting with equipment, flights, a hotel, training and other list services. Why should taxpayers' money be served by these lazy millionaires as government officials and diplomats?
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 18: 08
      +2
      In ... competent comment good They divorced juvenile parasites. 20 - with hell of a year, a salary of 4 million euros per year ... to drive a ball across the field ...
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 17: 55
    +7
    Respect and respect to the author, I fully share his opinion. Everyone is like fools sitting and watching how millionaires on the field run after the ball .. full, and yet they suffer, worry, get nervous ... I think it's all akin to gambling .. pathological dependence. Look, what smart people say about this before minus (by the way, a note like 3 years ago):
    1. Oznob
      Oznob 22 June 2016 18: 32
      +2
      Ready to subscribe to every word. yes
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 June 2016 18: 39
      +1
      I liked the interview. So many exact words and epithets !!! fellow Actually, there is nothing to add ... It's time to call things by their proper names, and "caress" so that they are afraid to go out ...
    3. Benjamin 48
      Benjamin 48 22 June 2016 19: 58
      +1
      I agree completely!
      Sergey Shakurov said everything correctly !!!
    4. ARES623
      ARES623 22 June 2016 20: 06
      -1
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Look, smart people say that.

      And who is this Shakurov, so that I listen to his opinion. He’s not poor either, and he’s a hack like our national football team. It's just that he is a "professional fan", an emotional boor, against the background of overexcitement, judges those things that he does not own even in theory. And the players were simply not ready, weaker than the opposing team. I don’t presume to judge what they wanted or didn’t want there, just hereditary imperfections, but with huge fees. I agree with the author of the article. Professional elite sport has entered a phase of perversion. And maybe the time is right when it is necessary to leave international federations and tournaments, organize such clones of the "night hockey league" in various sports, and redirect financial flows to the development of children's physical culture and sports, which really have a positive impact on the personality, but do not become a source of material well-being.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 20: 25
        +1
        Quote: ARES623
        And who is this Shakurov, so that I listen to his opinion.

        I presented my opinion, similar to a rather well-known and famous person .. to agree or not -Your right hi
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  • Pitot
    Pitot 22 June 2016 17: 55
    +5
    The meaning of the article for me is Clean, normal Sport has died. Now it's just a big talk show. Then - if some athletes (a non-important sport), let’s say gently, did not win, and this is systematic (because the stages of chance and periodically do not fit anymore) - drive them up or let them stupidly take on self-sufficiency. Like real talk showmen. It’s popular because it won - you get what you will be transferred via SMS. Or at the box office stadiums. Well, a bit of adverts on the sides of the sports grounds. Why did many dives (I mean football players and others, saw footage as some athletes leaving their hotel send their fans three letters), losing, not only aren't upset, and also rude to those for whom they were the type and who supported them? They don’t care at all about the result. Only their coaches are somehow to blame !! Nonsense. I do not want part of My Taxes going to these dwellers. I'm against. By this. To pay. They are not patriots. They are legionaries, just mercenaries. Let not shopping centers, etc. be built on my payments. Dick, and children's sports schools. And social payments to old, forgotten real Heroes of sports of the USSR. And not these miscarriages of a capitalist talk show called sports.
    Sorry, that messy, pent ..... And more. We lost a certain number of games (and etc.) not to be allowed to play for Russia. Haha, shame on us.
  • X Y Z
    X Y Z 22 June 2016 17: 55
    +4
    Many have already spoken and written about this, but things are still there. Only a very sick society can create a system in which professional athletes receive millions, and people who make world discoveries, produce advanced technology and save many human lives receive pennies. This is an abomination from any point of view, which you don’t take, it’s really not a sport, but show business with all its disgusting features.
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 22 June 2016 18: 01
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    I agree with the author. Sport should pay off. If some species do not pay off, but let amateurs get paid there, receiving money elsewhere.
    All these shows are needed only by advertisers, but even then not all of them are ready to shell out money.
    It is necessary to spend state money only on the development of mass sports. So that children can attend gyms and stadiums for FREE, as was the case in the USSR.
  • encarcelado
    encarcelado 22 June 2016 18: 11
    +1
    I also agree with the author that, in essence, professional athletes are parasites, since they do not produce material or cultural values. Recently I saw an interview with a professional footballer - he talked about how he trains two hours a day. Sometimes two workouts per day! Two hour work day!

    However, to understand why the state contains these parasites is simple - firstly, this show - people still watch and empathize, and secondly, this is prestige. Type the state has so much dough and so many talented people that you can spend resources on any garbage and in this garbage to compete with each other. Well, we also recall why the Olympic Games were created in Ancient Greece - there it was a way to show the physical superiority of citizens of one policy to others. In those days, physical superiority meant military superiority.

    For modern society, only amateur sports is of objective value, as it contributes to the health of the population.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 20: 28
      0
      That's right, support! hi
  • OlegYOla
    OlegYOla 22 June 2016 18: 13
    +1
    I hate sports, deleted all channels on tv am . Cheering for lazy millionaires (soccer hockey), receiving millions for Russia, I see no reason request .Although I partly deal with it, when you fly on a paraglider, at some kind of fucking room and leave them for two hours, three across the intersection repeat Better sports sections for children, made mass accessible and sponsored equipment for children good .
  • fa2998
    fa2998 22 June 2016 18: 19
    0
    Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
    You need to give up football. Look at these nits in the form of the Russian national team there is no more urine. But most of all it glows when these devils prosraf another tournament with happy faces fly home

    If this year one of our players makes a scandal, they pay him a little, the people will raise him to the pitchfork! am negative hi
  • Hammer
    Hammer 22 June 2016 18: 21
    -1
    the genetic mutant-parasite pumped over by chemistry, who had pulled out of the hill on a sled a second earlier

    I have a question for the "author", what are you doing? Do you benefit? Maybe you are producing something, except for the greatest propaganda articles with a bunch of errors? Here with the naked eye you can see that you don't understand a damn thing about sports. Let's get rid of the cultural figures, because they don't produce anything either, they just dance on the stages. The presenters are also not needed, why? Editors are not needed either, which you already do not have, why, the Word itself will find errors? Astronauts are also in the furnace, artists, poets, policemen (they are all corrupt creatures, as you know). So it will come to the point that pensioners will not be needed, students, large families and families who have lost their breadwinner, veterans. Personally, you do not see any benefit in them, so they are not needed. And up to the stake? How much diarrhea will you fill up on VO?
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 22 June 2016 20: 35
      0
      Quote: Hammer
      How long will diarrhea fill up in VO?

      Until the fanatics of sports, in the form of you, will not sponsor the crooked and vile word "sport" applied to millionaires representing sports in our country. Monkeys are building complexes for billions, but ZERO sense ... is it a sport? this is shit
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  • loaln
    loaln 22 June 2016 18: 24
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    The article is emotional, therefore superficial and true.
    And the essence is in those bugs (from officials to managers) who click athletes like seeds, throwing away husks and taking new ones. If only they brought them pleasure, MATERIAL.
    Therefore, we and coaches have trouble. What is needed is not a professional from sports, but a prokhendey from finance. So to speak, laying between the above and the athletes. So that they do not accidentally get dirty.
    What about sports? This is still a sight organized by financial seniors for mental senators.
    Naturally, the sport is PROFESSIONAL. And another action is an ordinary amendment of health and spirit.
    But is this necessary in a consumer society? So, both medicines and unfortunate doctors are not needed.
    Sheer loss!
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 22 June 2016 18: 27
    +1
    not ... professional sports are needed, but with an average salary in the country.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 22 June 2016 18: 28
    0
    This whole situation with overfed "professionals" to the point of disgust is just a burp of the current oligarchic state system. The oligarchs and "EdinMaya Raseya" ruined the state assets, and in order not to shine, pretended to be "managers of gazprom" (like, we are just managers, give them food). Well, what is a feast during the plague without clowns? - Here, please, the rabble of Russia in football! From the highest paid were selected! (as artists at a corporate party). What handsome men! Do you know, SKOKA are? - Ogogo! The dough is immeasurable! But I (the racial elite) are not sorry for ANYTHING! Yes, and would-lo at the same time look at the "beautiful life." - This is the real quintessence of what is happening. And you are sports / not sports ... It's not sports. What is the pop, so are the ministers. There are sharks, and there are sticky fish. Sticking to a privatized gold cracker.
  • sontinianin
    sontinianin 22 June 2016 18: 36
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    Since this is only a business for some, then (especially for football players) they need to introduce a tax similar to Plato, only the place of damage for the roads they will have to pay for the damage to our nerves, expectations ... With a higher coefficient !!!
  • cap54
    cap54 22 June 2016 18: 43
    +1
    When the turner makes a marriage, then the value of the damaged parts is deducted from it, and why are our fucking football players for asking. an early match in drabadan not meet the ruble? Although they receive their salaries in euros ... And it turns out that the rich used to watch the poor drive the ball, and now the poor watch how millionaires chew grass on the football field, and sometimes cry when they get a boot in the ass.
  • Avz
    Avz 22 June 2016 18: 56
    0
    They’re right. When football players, hockey players receive much more than the same turner or engineer, and at the same time do not produce anything, then this is unfair. Current professional football, Russian hockey is really a bunch of millionaires. They are not afraid to lose. They will receive money anyway. Therefore and I don’t feel like worrying about losing the teams, because they’re on the drum.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 22 June 2016 18: 57
    0
    Sport now is primarily advertising, and where there is advertising from hundreds of the largest companies in the world, there are big grandmas.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 22 June 2016 19: 07
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    What is it about? These grief representatives of Russia from sports don't give a damn to me, and I urge everyone who put the article (+) not to go to the competition of snickering "talents". Not supporting them with the ruble and their carefree life will end. Sports sponsors will immediately close the "shop" without receiving profits from Us!
  • Onegin
    Onegin 22 June 2016 19: 24
    +1
    all right! professional boxing doesn’t take money from the state, and football players are better? Say it to them, let them live with advertising on T-shirts and fees from TV
  • Benjamin 48
    Benjamin 48 22 June 2016 19: 52
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    I agree with the author of the article.
    Sport has turned into show business and let it live according to the laws of show business.
    Like singers and other partisans. With taxes.
    And the "prestige of the country" - who needs such prestige?
  • DimanC
    DimanC 22 June 2016 20: 03
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    Author, first read a fairly general theory of management (DOTU). Then it will immediately become clear to you that big sport is just one of the management methods. As an option - to influence other states. It is not in vain that so many copies break down regarding the behavior of our fans at Euro 2016 and even more so - regarding the (non) participation of our athletes in the upcoming Olympics.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 22 June 2016 20: 04
    0
    This opus resembles a school. The critic is a failed writer, and the failed critic is a literature teacher. Something like that they said.
  • Galim_66
    Galim_66 22 June 2016 20: 04
    +1
    The author is poorly versed in the topic.
    There are several reasons why there are some obscure sports and why professional athletes get so much.
    First: the "weird" sports at Olympic Games, World Championships and WC come from amateur. That is, amateurs come up with a competition themselves, seven organize tournaments, then unite into unions, create federations, etc.
    The most important thing is that at the initial stage, people pay for all this out of their own pockets, and the purchase of shells, equipment, travel to tournaments, trainings, etc., then there is a big sponsor, usually manufacturers of equipment, drinks, and so on. Sponsors begin to finance both individual athletes and entire federations, organize tournaments, pay for broadcasts, organize events, and more. The state, however, often does not finance non-Olympic sports at all and does not promote it to the masses (take snowboarders in Russia in the 90s). By the way, it is precisely because of the non-Olympic nature in Russia that the attitude towards Bandy (erroneously nicknamed "Russian hockey ", although it appeared as a sport in England) and a completely different attitude to ice hockey.
    Over time, of course, the state is already beginning to better relate to the "new Olympic medal-intensive" sports and begins to promote the construction of training centers and dt. But initially, the "founders" have to go through a difficult path to recognition. Therefore, the author should not worry about mogul, freestyle and other things, despite the fact that the state is building bases, athletes pay for all very expensive equipment out of their own pockets and earn their living by performing at World Cups, World Championships, etc.
    there are still traditional or classical species that, despite the lack of entertainment, remain in the OI program, because this is the basis of the foundations. For example, classic all-around, classic wrestling, ski two-sided events are all classic forms, this is where it all began.
    Regarding the "thighs and priests" of 15-year-old Lipnitskaya, well, it’s as anyone, since we do not see their thighs, the skaters still wear flesh-colored suits, and on top of the main suit. Personally, I get aesthetic pleasure from watching FC, regardless of the age of the athletes.
    Regarding the salaries of athletes, especially professionals in game types such as football, hockey, basketball, etc. Yes, it seems unfair that the guys chasing balls get millions of dollars / euros, and lifeguards / doctors are several times less. But here it is important to note that we all exist in those realities that there are athletes too. Athletes are not to blame for being willing to pay 10 million euros per year! Most of the athletes grew up in ordinary families (for example, read the biography of the same Messi, Ronaldo, Malkin, etc.) and they never saw the money that they get now. By the way, because of this, a lot of current or former athletes have problems with alcohol / drugs / law or are bankrupt (google the story of the hockey player Jack Johnson, who was framed by his own parents). For example, I don’t think that Messi himself made decisions not to pay taxes, he just was financially illiterate and entrusted the management of his assets to the wrong people. And blame that players get so much agents of players who inflate the contracts of their clients, club managers who are willing to pay the ball kickers millions and club owners. But nevertheless, there is also an economic component, for example, in clubs, all clubs strive to earn money and therefore consider how much money this or that player can potentially bring to their club, we are talking about tens of millions, only part of which falls into the player’s pocket. There, after all, not only the income from the game of a particular player that the club receives from broadcasts and sale of tickets for matches, but also the amount of sold attributes with a surname and number, as well as advertising contracts and more (for example, Crosby signed an advertising contract with Ribeau at the age of 15! )
  • Old26
    Old26 22 June 2016 20: 13
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    Quote: andrew42
    Not understood. Do teachers produce nothing? Well, my dear, sit at home with textbooks, teach the child yourself. Do the doctors produce nothing? - Of course, medical specialties are different, but in this case, you will cut your appendicitis yourself, there is nothing to go to the emergency room, why treat / operate your old people? - so they themselves will leave. By the way, the Army and the Navy also "do not produce anything."

    So I did not understand. The author states that professional athletes in their main part (90%) are parasites, since they do not produce material values. I just brought his thesis to the point of absurdity. Teachers also do not produce wealth, doctors, and even less so the army. so are they all parasites? Maybe you should still talk about "SALARY", and not that athletes are parasites? Our State Duma deputies receive about 460 thousand a month without producing anything. Parasites or not?
    Establishing a state monopoly? And what will it give: Or do you think that receiving, for example, 50-80 thousand rubles conditional "Ivanov" will give all the best for 100%

    Quote: indifferent
    I agree with the author. Sport should pay off. If some species do not pay off, but let amateurs get paid there, receiving money elsewhere.

    Yes? Then you can put a bold cross on almost all sports. Take biathlon for example. Self-sustaining? Can you even imagine how much good skis and the same rifle cost? How many decades will it take to recoup this sport.
    The question is different. In gigantic salaries for some, who sometimes show nothing - this is precisely the essence of the problem, and not that all professional athletes are parasites.
    One example from a past life (about 30-35 years ago).
    I was into pistol shooting. "Lover". Two workouts per week for 1-1.5 hours. The maximum "exhaust" is the 1st category (it did not reach the CCM). The maximum competition I have is regional. Some of the sections are Republican.

    But many times I saw how those who belonged to professional sports plow in the full sense, although we in the USSR "did not have" professional sports at that time. How are they laid out. Since they were from SKA, yes, they had titles, they received salaries that were not comparable to us, amateurs. But it was clear that this is the elite of the sport. And she gets paid for it. For giving all the best, for winning. Now, of course, they receive a lot more, but they plow at the same time.

    And we cut everything off the shoulder. Someone gets millions - a parasite. And we are not talking about any specific athlete, but indiscriminately about all. You think that salaries are extraordinary - decide the issue, not "cut everyone under the same size"
    1. sergo42
      sergo42 23 June 2016 22: 16
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      Maybe some of them plow - for themselves for our money. Personally, I don't need their medals and titles, and other nonsense about "the country's prestige" for nothing. Go in for physical exercise !!!
  • barsik92090
    barsik92090 22 June 2016 20: 18
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    Quote: Wend
    So, according to the author of Russia, it is necessary to abandon sports competitions? Well, I do not.

    We must refuse to feed the parasites, let them train, taking a loan from the banks, and if they win, they can count on a bonus.
  • Damask
    Damask 22 June 2016 20: 39
    0
    You just need to get from the Football League so that for the Russian national team, reduce the goal to hockey, increase the players to 22 people, set up leisure chairs with soda in the walking distance, and I think the result will be wink
  • Million
    Million 22 June 2016 21: 04
    0
    At all times, the motto worked: Bread and sight. Nothing changes
  • ML-334
    ML-334 22 June 2016 21: 09
    0
    They play so badly because the main thing is money for them. Why should they give all their best, risk their health when they are waiting for clubs where they earn money. If you compare hockey between the USSR and Russia, heaven and earth. Do you think it would be better if the yard team played, it even there is an incentive to show oneself. And these our legionnaires are so imposing. I watched Ukraine-Poland, the lads played fine, the Poles were just lucky, on ours, after the second plop, I got used to it and cut down the TV.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 22 June 2016 22: 08
      -1
      I’m wondering, did you swear at the “imposing” football guys in the same way in 2008? And to remind you how many times the Russian national hockey team "impressively" won the championship over the past 8 years?
      1. ML-334
        ML-334 23 June 2016 05: 20
        +2
        I perfectly remember the game of the USSR hockey players, when the guys selflessly gave all the best for the anthem for the flag and for us fans, now they are more worried about their health because it is money.
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 23 June 2016 07: 04
          +1
          Quote: ML-334
          the guys selflessly gave all the best for the anthem for the flag and for us fans

          And also for an apartment, a car, a trip abroad of our Motherland, admission to institutes without exams and diplomas without protection. Do not idealize or demean athletes. There has always been, is and will be a complex motivation for striving to win in sports. Membership in the national team of the country is still quite a significant incentive. But today, sports are a show with huge sums of money. And since athletes are the faces of this show, the amount of payment for participation in the performance will depend not so much on sports results as on the media attractiveness of this person. Although the result is of primary importance. You can, of course, by a strong-willed decision not to pay them for the defeat, but tomorrow this athlete will terminate the contract with the team and go to play in some African (Asian) team. Do you think that we can replace everyone at once? Khrenushki ... In general, all this shit about football is nothing but a splash of emotions. And judging by the comments, for many, these emotions replace brain activity ("all athletes are cattle" Shakurov). I read some comments and am amazed at the denseness of thinking. It is on a lathe that thousands of turners can make a qualitatively identical part, but in sports one team wins, all the rest ... alas. But audience love is cruel. Yesterday we carry them in our hands, but today they lost, and we are ready to quarter them all.
      2. Idiot
        Idiot 23 June 2016 10: 12
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        Quote: cast iron
        I’m wondering, did you swear at the “imposing” football guys in the same way in 2008? And to remind you how many times the Russian national hockey team "impressively" won the championship over the past 8 years?


        That's it! Eight years later, there was no longer any reason to be proud of the football guys. Hockey should not be put on the same board with football. Rhythmic gymnastics, synchronized swimming, figure skating, along with hockey, are sports where the Anglo-Saxons are powerless to dominate. And they began to change the rules. The doping scandals are the most dastardly they have undertaken to date. But this is the beginning. In my opinion, their main goal, by demonizing Russia in all spheres, is to deprive Russia of its veto right in the UN, to exclude us altogether from there, like the USSR from the League of Nations in its time. When the "international community" is in your pocket, everything is possible ... By the way, it will be interesting for me to see how our patriots will race to change their citizenship. Why: THIS COUNTRY did not give a damn about the work of their lives.