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MiG corporation has begun the modernization of the complex "Tretyakovo" for testing promising models of aircraft

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The MiG Corporation (part of the UAC) has begun the modernization of the Tretyakovo flight test complex, which will become the main base for testing assembled fighter aircraft. Here, both serial and promising samples will be checked. aviation technicians like the MiG-35 report News.




“The complex modernization of the airfield base Tretyakovo will allow the introduction of modern automated flight monitoring and control systems for ground services, which will make it possible to consider the test airfield complex to be one of the best not only in Russia, but also abroad. A new command and control center, modular administrative and residential buildings will be built, and the runway, radar equipment, power supply systems, the aerodrome water drainage system and all other external engineering networks will be completely reconstructed. All this should increase the safety of test flights, ”said Anastasia Kravchenko, a corporation representative.

Earlier, representatives of the company reported that the ROC for the MiG-35 will be completed in 2017 g, and the delivery of vehicles to the troops will begin in 2018.

“The MiG-35 prototypes have already passed a large amount of testing. The car was originally created under the requirements of the Indian tender for the supply of medium multipurpose fighters MMRCA worth $ 10 billion. Our fighter went through several qualifying rounds, was considered one of the main favorites, but in the final gave way to the French Rafale, and more for political than for technical reasons. Under Indian law, Delhi cannot buy weapons and military equipment from only one supplier. After all, RSK MiG has entered into a contract and has already installed the Indian Navy 45 MiG-29K / KUB ship fighters, ”said Andrei Fomin, an expert in aviation, chief editor of Vzlyot magazine.

According to him, “the MiG-35 is a further development of the family of fighter jets of the RSK. One of the most promising Russian fighters, to which it is possible to apply the definition of "combat aircraft of a new generation."

“A modern radar, the newest optical-electronic system, which allows seeing targets at night as during the day, multifunctional screens instead of switch instruments - all this places the new MiG among the most efficient fighters in the world,” the expert noted.

“There are no traditional analog (switch) instruments in the cab. Everywhere liquid crystal multifunction indicators. The fighter is equipped with the St. Petersburg-based Klimov RD-33MK engines, whose thrust has increased compared to the XDUMX% serial RD-29 used on the MiG-33 earlier, they have a modern FADEC digital control system. In the future, these engines will be able to be equipped with an all-view thrust vectoring system, thanks to which the aircraft can be more maneuverable than its competitors and better controlled in all modes - which is at a speed that in its absence, ”continued Fomin.

“It is planned to install the newest version of the Beetle Radar with an active phased antenna array (AFAR) on the fighter in the future. The angle of view of the new radar is plus or minus 60 degrees. Target detection range - 140 km. He can simultaneously accompany 30, and fire six targets. And both in the air and on the ground. In this new antenna allows you to solve a number of additional tasks. Transfer tactical data to other aircraft, conduct radar combat, and map the terrain. The presence of a new radar closely brings the MiG-35 to fifth-generation aircraft. Thanks to the new antenna, the MiG-35 will be able to equally successfully fight both air and land and sea targets (takes 6 and combat load), ”he said.

Opinion of the professor of the Academy of Military Sciences Vadim Kozyulin: “The modernization of production in Lukhovitsy indicates that the corporation intends to fight not only for the external, but also the internal customer. The beginning of the tests of the MiG-35 in the framework of the development work in the interests of the VCS shows that we will have not only fifth-generation T-50 heavy fighters, but also lighter vehicles with very high combat capabilities. Their cost may turn out to be noticeably lower, and their efficiency comparable, which makes it possible to count on the fact that the MiG-35 can become a fairly massive aircraft.
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  1. seti
    seti 21 June 2016 13: 55
    +17
    Recently, more and more news about the MiG-35 and, in general, Mikoyan's Design Bureau. It's good. So the matter lives on and the new plane will see the light in the next year or two. I would rather. Need a car. I just would like to know about the price - the plane can hardly be called a light fighter, a lot of new avionics plus the new Zhuk radar. Surely the price will catch up with the Su-30?
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 21 June 2016 14: 06
      +4
      The mig-35 has the same cockpit as the ship, that is, the plane can be single or two-seater. The engine of the new moment is more powerful, their resource is increased. The basis of the weapons control system is the ZhUK-AE radar station, the locator has a so-called active phased antenna array, which is an attribute of fifth generation fighters, and the Mig-35 is the first Russian combat aircraft with such a locator. The station allows tracking up to thirty air targets and simultaneously attacking six of them, the detection range of a fighter-type target is 160 km.

      The machine has two optical location stations, the one in front of the cockpit light is responsible for aerial targets. A station installed under a motor nacelle searches for ground engines, for example, a tank can be detected at a distance of twenty kilometers

      The combat load compared to the Mig-29 increased three times and reached six and a half tons, the number of weapon suspension points increased from six to eleven
      1. Pushkar77
        Pushkar77 21 June 2016 18: 14
        0
        I wonder why not immediately install engines with OBT, the technology is no longer new. And why is everything in perspective? AFAR, OVT. Why the characteristics of the AFAR fell in comparison with the AFAR MiG-35 of the Indian tender, I mean the detection range. The Indian version spotted a target at a distance of 160 km. During trials, at least the Indian spotted three fighter-type targets at a range of 150 km. and took them to escort. The idea is cool, but the project is being castrated all the time. Why is the MiG-35 better than the Indian project? This I am writing to the fact that the delay in the acceptance of the fighter into service was justified by the fact that the performance characteristics of the fighter should be improved. Here is the author, please show the improvements. Neither AFAR, it is OVT, but you can not stutter about the perspective, what this means we already know. The changes only affected the materials. And if your promising AFAR cuts by 140 km, then it is already outdated, since its direct competitors are already seeing further. AFAR fighter "Rafal" is now hitting 200 km. , AFAR fighter "Typhoon" cuts at 300 km. In fact, the slash will get a permanent registration for fighters, because all the money goes to Sukhoi, who managed to win a tender (without holding it) to create a high-speed fighter, despite the fact that only the MiG Design Bureau and the states have experience in creating such machines. As long as people from the Sukhoi design bureau sit on the board of directors of the RSK, everything will continue. Using their official position, they took away all the developments in the FAR, AFAR, now they were all familiar with the high-speed fighter, they also took the tender for the UAV. And they forbid the creator of all this (KB MiG) to install all this on their machines. The leftovers are thrown and the noodles are hung on the ears of people. Everyone was castrated, the MiG-35, the modernization of the MiG-31, and the promising MiG-41 has already begun. You need to have at least a little conscience, crazy grandmothers have already demolished roofs. Tenders should be conducted normally, otherwise Mr. Rogozin issued that the MiG Design Bureau for a high-speed fighter has nothing to imagine, although the MiG-25, MiG-31, who created Dmitry Olegovich? You've been put on a lobbing fight, but you seem to succeed otherwise. In short, half a barrel of ointment in a jar of honey lupanuli.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 22 June 2016 19: 36
          -1
          Under Indian law, Delhi cannot buy weapons and military equipment from only one supplier. After all, RSK MiG has signed a contract and has already supplied the Indian Navy

          Galimy trindezh! "Sukhoi" supplied Sushki as well as supplies. And on the Su-35 in general there is a queue of buyers! Fly Rafalu .. I have no words! Even a Soviet MiG-29 would have torn it like a Tuzik a heating pad! It means that even the Indians have already read what this new guano is from the migushniki!
          In India, it’s not a ride, now they want to vparit in our Air Force. Just say, stick your instant-35 to yourself .. in the hangar!
          Adios Amigo! hi
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 22 June 2016 20: 09
          0
          Quote: Pushkar77
          ogozin betrayed that there is nothing to be imagined by the MiG design bureau on a high-speed fighter, although the MiG-25, MiG-31, who created Dmitry Olegovich?

          You carry some nonsense fool Go home.
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 22 June 2016 19: 41
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        MiG Corporation (part of the UAC) has begun the modernization of the Tretyakovo flight test complex

        Interesting? And for what means do migushniki do this? Obviously not for their own. What pierced the loot through the government for a cut? After all, a hedgehog is understandable, they will not make anything good for the Russian Air Force, because they are technologically behind. Only for sale over a hill. Well, when will this big money be returned to the state? And will they even be returned?
        With this money it was possible to stamp T-50.
        And now say "thank you" to the flippers for their drinking and the incomprehensible wunderwaffe of the 4th generation!
    2. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 21 June 2016 14: 08
      +5
      Unfortunately, all the news comes exclusively from MIG representatives, or from "experts".

      About the Santa Barbara radar in general, it’s not clear how it will go to the troops (if it does, of course)), with an updated click (they will still rub about a non-analogous world), or really with AFAR. love
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 21 June 2016 14: 17
        0
        Quote: DarkMatter
        Unfortunately, all the news comes exclusively from MIG representatives, or from "experts".

        About the Santa Barbara radar in general, it’s not clear how it will go to the troops (if it does, of course)), with an updated click (they will still rub about a non-analogous world), or really with AFAR. love

        And you speak directly and do not be afraid ...! I understood you ... hi It happens with us ....
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 22 June 2016 19: 55
          0
          I get the strong impression that MIG has decided to take the Lockheed Martin lane. And I even attached the same number to my wunderwaffe lol
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 22 June 2016 19: 49
        0
        Quote: DarkMatter
        either really with afar

        In order to make and assemble a series aviation AFAR, it is necessary to have the appropriate operating time, R&D and production capacity. Of these three points, the migrant workers have NOTHING! Which hole AFAR ??? request
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 June 2016 14: 22
      +1
      Here, both serial and promising samples of aircraft, such as the MiG-35, will be checked.

      Mig would not hurt to be more modest. Even "Sukhoi" does not name the planes not entered into military service with the final name! Let's remember the T-10 (Su-27), or PAK FA T-50!
      And they have one converted and still unfinished Mig-29, in a single test copy (and that generation 4!) And they are already Mig-35! There is a good proverb to this effect: Say the GOP, as you jump over!
      Too much PR just spoils the whole picture!
      You see Sukhoi shouting about the T-50 everywhere? There's no such thing. The guys are working and not talking! Especially over a 5th generation aircraft, and not 4th generation like some.
      1. Temples
        Temples 21 June 2016 15: 06
        0
        You see Sukhoi shouting about the T-50 everywhere? There's no such thing.

        And all about this aircraft (T-50) whisper by word of mouth only wassat
        For more than six years, it took off for the first time. And no one screams about him)))
        Several regimes have fallen in the east.
        Crimea is back. Children have grown up.
        Cadets who dreamed of flying on it were about to start thinking about retirement.
        And they are silent, do not shout! Secret!!! laughing
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 21 June 2016 15: 15
          0
          Quote: Temples
          And everything about this aircraft (T-50) was whispers by word of mouth exclusively by word of mouth

          By the fact that this is our first "five". A real breakthrough in front-line aviation.
          Quote: Temples
          For more than six years, it took off for the first time. And no one screams about him)))
          Several regimes have fallen in the east.
          Crimea is back. Children have grown up.

          I understand your irony. But if you look at how long it took the Americans to develop and produce their "five" with their financial and production capabilities, then you will understand that we are really in the lead, and your jokes will stop by themselves.
    4. Verdun
      Verdun 21 June 2016 15: 19
      +2
      Quote: seti
      Recently, more and more news about the MiG-35 and generally Mikoyan Design Bureau. It's good.

      Yes, indeed, I really want to hope that the Mikoyan Design Bureau will return to service. It would be nice if, even within the framework of the UAC, other eminent design bureaus - Tu, Il, Yak - had a chance for their "renaissance".
      1. DarkMatter
        DarkMatter 21 June 2016 16: 05
        +2
        So there seems to be a working process everywhere.
        IL - new transporters: the updated IL-76 (the so-called IL-476) and based on them our AWACS and refueling tanks, light IL-112 and medium IL-214 (though something was stalled there, but work is in progress).
        Tu - launch of the Tu-160M2, work on the PAK DA (or the experience gained in these works, which can be applied in subsequent new developments).
        Yak - MS-21, which will probably be Yak-242 or leave such a name (the market dictates the rules), training desks Yak-152 and Yak-130.

        New engines are either almost ready, or in development.

        Of course, not everything is rosy and there are many problems, but when were they not? There is no way that something new and at the world level can be easily obtained wink
      2. dauria
        dauria 21 June 2016 16: 40
        +3
        ... It would be nice if, even within the framework of the UAC, other eminent design bureaus - Tu, Il, Yak - had a chance for their "renaissance".


        It will not be this. Even in Europe, the gut is thin in one country (not like a firm) to pull the whole plane. States under F-35 half the world harnessed both in money and in production. The times when Gakkel on his plane for the year collected did not return. request . So, they will compete in the drawings, then they will throw to someone a wing, to someone a tail, to whom paws and a scallop with a beak.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 21 June 2016 17: 55
          -1
          Quote: dauria
          So, they will compete in the drawings, then they will throw to someone a wing, to someone a tail, to whom paws and a scallop with a beak.

          In order for the aircraft made on this principle to get decent quality, you must first unify the existing design schools, which is very difficult. But even if this succeeds, there is a great chance that the head of each individual office will pull the blanket over himself and turn out like with a swan, cancer and pike. And if you combine the KLA under a single leadership - be so kind as to sign the receipt of a ready-made monopolist ...
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 June 2016 20: 02
      0
      Quote: seti
      Surely the price will catch up with the Su-30?

      More likely to overtake. And from here the question is, why do we need this prodigy, if we ALREADY have in our troops the latest MFI fighter Su-30SM and Su-35S ???
      The answer is obvious - only for export! And the money for the modernization of the flight testing complex "Tretyakovo" is 100% state. And which body do we support a private shop? Here, the state personally doesn’t support me either (to say the least) and most users of the site do the same. No, I'm not greedy, it's just a shame for me to see when my taxes stupidly flow into the scammers, and the state and people (that is, we) remain in flight!
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 June 2016 13: 55
    -2
    (takes 6 tons of combat load) ",

    This is how much hectare he can plow!?! good
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 June 2016 14: 28
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      (takes 6 tons of combat load) ",

      This is how much hectare he can plow!?! good

      Su-34, combat load of 8 tons with a combat radius of 1100 km
  3. Alexander War
    Alexander War 21 June 2016 13: 56
    +4
    MiG-35 It's time to put into service the VKS
    1. seti
      seti 21 June 2016 13: 58
      +3
      To put it as it were, but hardly a large series .. As a fighter for an aircraft carrier and as an addition to the Su-30 and Su-35 yes. But if the price goes off scale, it is better to export it and stamp PAK FA
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 June 2016 14: 33
      -2
      Quote: Alexander War
      MiG-35 It's time to put into service the VKS

      What for??? There are Dryers, which have a performance superior to this 4th generation flashlight. And on the approach to the Russian Aerospace Forces, a 5th generation PAK FA T-50 aircraft.
      Mig-35 in the VKS nafik is not needed! Its road is purely for export. Until Mig performs a truly worthy prodigy! yes
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 21 June 2016 16: 47
        +4
        Quote: GSH-18
        What for??? There are Dryers, which have a performance superior to this 4th generation flashlight. And on the approach to the Russian Aerospace Forces, a 5th generation PAK FA T-50 aircraft.
        Mig-35 in the VKS nafik is not needed! Its road is purely for export.

        The troops need a massive, and therefore cheap, front-line fighter, with low-cost operation. Mig-35 fits this role perfectly. Expensive PAK FA and Su-35 can not be stocked. And, in terms of the characteristics of the Mig-35, the Su-35 is closely approaching.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 June 2016 18: 12
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          The troops need a massive, and therefore cheap, front-line fighter, with low-cost operation. Mig-35 fits this role perfectly.

          Are you sure that the MiG-35 will be cheap and inexpensive to operate?
          Do not confuse the original light MiG-29 fighter with the current medium MiG-35. Mikoyanovtsy modernized their fighter to the point that it was already close in mass to the first Su-27s.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 21 June 2016 20: 13
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Are you sure that the MiG-35 will be cheap and inexpensive to operate?

            Me yes. Why not you?
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Mikoyanovtsy modernized their fighter to the point that it was already close in mass to the first Su-27s.

            The fact that it was possible to increase the take-off mass is only a plus for the characteristics! The glider itself became easier due to carbon fiber.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 21 June 2016 21: 36
              0
              Quote: Stas157
              The fact that it was possible to increase the take-off mass is only a plus for the characteristics! The glider itself became easier due to carbon fiber

              I do not want to discuss resuscitation of a slingshot with a pistol. Mig- (any number) for export, Su-in the Russian Aerospace Forces. So far, this is the case in terms of advanced aviation technologies in the Russian Federation.
              And I’m already tired of these advertising articles about Migov’s imperfections! Publish when really something new and breakthrough flashing lights will make! And so, over the past 10 days this is the second or third article ABOUT ANYTHING!
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 21 June 2016 20: 12
          -1
          Quote: Stas157
          The troops need a massive, and therefore cheap, front-line fighter, with low-cost operation. Mig-35 fits this role perfectly.

          Dear, before you make such statements, look at the preliminary declared value of this miracle from MIG! And this amount will increase even more in the course of R&D and factory adjustments. And about equipping with new weapons, I generally keep quiet! As a result, it turns out that the entire Su line, starting from the Su-30SM, is cheaper and better in terms of performance characteristics. Here is such a migoarithmetic, dear!
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 22 June 2016 17: 13
            +2
            Quote: GSH-18
            Dear, before making such statements, look at the preliminary declared value of this miracle from MIG!

            MO wanted to order Mig without AFAR and without UVT, so Mig for Russia should be much cheaper than the export option.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 22 June 2016 20: 30
              0
              Quote: Stas157
              MO wanted to order Mig without AFAR and without UVT, so Mig for Russia should be much cheaper than the export option.

              And even cheaper will be without wings, dvigunov and wheels laughing Think what you write.
              They wanted, but they got over it. Thank God!
              Videoconferencing needs real MFI fighters and "5". And Mig's imperfections are the only option to push over the hill, and then only because of the brand's past fame.
              Why scatter public funds that do not exist anyway? We must give them to the clear leader of the front-line aviation, Sukhoi. It will be correct and logical, and most importantly, it is guaranteed to be productive. yes
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 22 June 2016 19: 28
          -1
          Quote: Stas157
          And, in terms of the characteristics of the Mig-35, the Su-35 is closely approaching.

          And not close! By combat radius, by combat load, etc. etc. everywhere full oops! And the cost may well get ahead. Read less about promotional articles for migrant workers! So why shove the unfinished dear prodigy in the Air Force when there are already serial MFI fighters Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-35S in the VKS? And Mig-35 to the series, like to the moon with cancer! Explain to me please?
        4. GSH-18
          GSH-18 22 June 2016 20: 20
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          Troops need massive

          Wake up! The bulk of front-line aircraft in the Russian Air Force are Sukhoi aircraft!
          The cost is to let BB know how the main characteristics are always laid in the TK of the RF Ministry of Defense! So there is no need to fill in the cost here.
          Moreover, no one knows what the total cost of the prodigy from the article and the cost of its operation will be. In short, after a flight to India, migrarians want to vaporize this pepelats to our Air Force. Break off guys, not a ride! stop
  4. Alexander War
    Alexander War 21 June 2016 14: 04
    +4
    It is necessary to replace the Mig-29 with the Mig-35-worthy receiver and supply squadrons
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 June 2016 14: 37
      0
      Quote: Alexander War
      It is necessary to replace the Mig-29 with the Mig-35-worthy receiver and supply squadrons

      The MiG-29 has long been replaced in the troops by new MFI Sukhoi aircraft, and our five T-50 is on its way hi
      1. Genry
        Genry 21 June 2016 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: GSH-18
        The MiG-29 has long been replaced in the troops by new MFI Sukhoi aircraft, and our five T-50 is on its way

        The T-50 is not intended to replace the MiG-29 (35). For battles in the border (front-line) space, the T-50 is not needed. His job is like a saboteur, to crawl into someone else's territory and perform a combat mission (to slander). In close combat (up to 100 km), invisibility does not play a role and is not designed to patch small holes in the skin.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 21 June 2016 20: 25
          0
          Quote: Genry
          The T-50 is not intended to replace the MiG-29 (35). For battles in the border (front-line) space, the T-50 is not needed.

          Are you an Air Force strategist? Can you enlighten us, why do we need the T-50 in the VKS?
          T-50 together with the Su-35 are intended for this! Look at the TK of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for these aircraft, so as not to write children's conclusions on the site. MIG today has no place with its planes in the RF Air Force - that's for sure! They lagged behind our leader Sukhoi. The Migushniki have only a few real options: to muddle up a modern interceptor (long arm of air defense), or to muddle up a good attack drone for our VKS. They flew with MFI fighters, and even more so with "5", and now this is no longer their business in Russia.
          This is eloquently evidenced by the composition of the airborne group of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria, NOT ONE MIG! That's all yes
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      3. Pushkar77
        Pushkar77 21 June 2016 18: 30
        +1
        What are you talking about, "Sukhar" will never replace the MiG-29 (in its modifications). The T-50 is not yet a top five, this time, secondly it still needs to be finished and finished. Without the engines of the second stage, it is not a top five, and they will be finished for a very long time, in reality they can be finished after 2020. You will ask how the first cars feel, they are "spinning", and this is also not a small problem, to increase the strength of the hull, it will increase the weight, and therefore increase the traction. How? In general, the cars are different in class and purpose, it is ridiculous to compare them. The MiG-35 can take off and be repaired on a dirt road, including changing engines, which gives it a colossal advantage over all fighters, including Sushki. This makes its application more flexible than the same Sushki, which needs full-fledged runways, and we always have a problem with them. It is much easier to relocate them to the right place in war conditions, since it can land, if necessary, on a dirt road.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 21 June 2016 20: 46
          -1
          Quote: Pushkar77
          What are you talking about, "Sukhar" will never replace the MiG-29

          Already replaced and surpassed many times. Sukhoi switched to the production of front-line IFI fighters. And Migushniki continue to chew snot and beg for money for outdated projects and concepts that our country no longer needs. Well, read a little about the development of front-line aviation yourself, is it really that difficult? request
  5. seti
    seti 21 June 2016 14: 12
    +2
    Quote: Alexander War
    It is necessary to replace the Mig-29 with the Mig-35-worthy receiver and supply squadrons

    Again, everything depends on the price. We operate Mig-29 of various modifications, Mig-31, Su-27, Su-30 of two modifications and Su-35С. A year later, production of PAK FA (T-50) begins with the AL-41Ф1 engine.
    It makes sense to invest in it, gradually complete orders for the Su-30 and Su-35 and Mig-35, as it were, out of place. The costs are huge. Most likely the order will be, but hardly more than 30-40 pieces. But there is an export potential. The main thing is to interest potential buyers.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 21 June 2016 14: 22
      +2
      I’ll express my opinion that the Mig-35 and Su-35S are urgently needed to replace the Mig-29 and Su-27 that have expired
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 21 June 2016 14: 50
        +2
        Quote: Alexander War
        I’ll express my opinion that the Mig-35 and Su-35S are urgently needed to replace the Mig-29 and Su-27 that have expired

        Dear, you may not know, but a pair of mig-29 and su-27 are being replaced by MFI (multifunctional fighter) planes and ALL of them are still from Sukhoi. For example, Su-30cm, Su-34, Su-35S. There will no longer be any fighter weight pairs. I recommend that you forget about this outdated concept right now. The era of IFI and the 5th generation of front-line aviation has come.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 21 June 2016 18: 16
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          The era of IFIs and the 5th generation of front-line aviation has come.

          You are probably one of those who chase flies with a sledgehammer at home? The troops must have massive front-line fighters. Based on your postulates, you can come to the assertion that one super-expensive supercar will be enough for all the Air Force. How will it break? At the same time, all this talk about "generations of aviation" personally irritates me to heartburn.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 21 June 2016 20: 52
            -2
            Quote: Verdun
            The troops must have massive front-line fighters

            And they already are! These are Su-30cm, Su-35 and Su-35S. Wake up at last.
            1. samoletil18
              samoletil18 21 June 2016 21: 52
              +1
              "Kittel was shot down, now we are definitely finished"
              We need to calculate well: the cost of a fighter, maintenance, timing and cost of pilot training, basing conditions, weapons, and much more. I have no dainties, and I honestly admit that I have no idea of ​​the benefits or disadvantages of MiG promotion, but judging by the timing of the promotion and estimated production volumes, in the General Staff of the Russian Federation too.
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 21 June 2016 21: 31
            -2
            Quote: Verdun
            At the same time, all this talk about "generations of aviation" personally irritates me to heartburn.

            Drink a spoonful of soda with water. And forget about aviation generations, this is not about you. And sleep well hi
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 June 2016 14: 44
      -1
      Quote: seti
      PAK FA (T-50) so far with the AL-41F1 engine.
      It makes sense to invest in it, gradually complete orders for the Su-30 and Su-35 and Mig-35 is as if out of place.

      Absolutely right! Mig-35 was 20-25 years late for commercials!
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 June 2016 15: 11
      0
      Quote: seti
      The costs are huge. Most likely the order will be, but hardly more than 30-40 pieces.

      I think if there will be such an order, then there will be no more than 10-12 pieces. For "Kuznetsov" as a replacement for the deck MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB.
  6. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 21 June 2016 14: 16
    +1
    The old man MIG-29 has faithfully filled his 30 niche with more than a few years (according to various sources, there are about 40 machines in operation today), 35 will probably be a good alternative.
  7. engineer74
    engineer74 21 June 2016 14: 32
    +2
    Because of the MiG-35, it’s too cool to re-test the test base too much, even for Russia! smile
    It seems that soon we will see many pleasant surprises from the RSK - PAK DP or heavy impact UAV! wink
    IMHO
  8. newcomer
    newcomer 21 June 2016 14: 36
    +3
    if the 35th replaces the early 29m, then they need a lot, because this is a niche of front-line aviation. but TTX Mig35 is quite consistent with long-range heavy fighters. by weight it is lighter than su30. I dare to suggest that in addition to replacing the early 29s, it will occupy its own niche. in this case, a large batch is also needed.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 June 2016 20: 49
      0
      Quote: newbie
      by weight it is lighter than su30. I dare to suggest that in addition to replacing the early 29s, it will occupy its own niche. in this case, a large batch is also needed.

      What is such a niche, dear? There are no niches in the Air Force. There is the Doctrine of the RF Ministry of Defense and the tactics of combat use. According to the doctrine, we are moving from fighter pairs to MFI (multifunctional fighter) aircraft and to aircraft of the "5" generation. Tell me what the unfinished but already promoted MiG-35 belongs to ??? And I'll tell you, to generation 4. That is, he has no place in the Doctrine, there is no place in the combat tactics of application, but in YOUR opinion, for some reason there is a place in the VKS belay ? Doesn’t it seem strange to you?
      Buy a cart for your home. And what a cool thing! Previously, all the carts were, let's not break the tradition! lol
  9. serverny
    serverny 21 June 2016 14: 46
    +2
    Quote: aszzz888
    This is how much hectare he can plow!?!

    The right question is how many tens of kilometers from the airfield it can crawl with such a load.
  10. vv3
    vv3 21 June 2016 15: 07
    +5
    There are two approaches with the MIG-35. The first one is business! Create a truly competitive vehicle with modern engines and a large combat radius with a combat load. Judging by the developer's behavior, these issues have not been resolved, are hushed up and not particularly raised. In addition to a heavy fighter, there will also be an average one and they will compete, to a certain extent, only better for the business. The plane's glider is good, the brand is known, so they will buy their own Air Force, including ... Second, bureaucratic. At any cost, under the guise of a new one with old engines and low combat qualities, an outdated brand, and to get access to a feeding trough. It is futile, stupid, sorry for time and money .... If the first approach prevails, I am for.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 21 June 2016 16: 11
      +2
      There are not two approaches, but an infinite number located between those indicated by you. Accordingly, the result will be half-hearted, which will balance the interests of designers and traders (the opinion of the military will be "taken into account" by traders). Therefore, the MiG-35 will not be successful for the MiG-29 and MiG-21. hi
      IMHO
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 22 June 2016 12: 17
        -1
        Quote: engineer74
        Therefore, the MiG-35 success of the MiG-29 and MiG-21 does not shine. hi
        IMHO

        And he can only sell over the hill. Since the flashers were not worthy to make something new. Their 35th is a modernized modernization of the Soviet MIG-29. Moreover, they could not rise further than generation "4". It does not even reach the level of the MFI! That's why Rogozin said that the MIG corporation has nothing to offer the Russian Air Force at the moment. And he is completely right here! Since Sukhoi completely switched over to the production of MFI-class aircraft, and even more so in 17, serial production of the 5th generation T-50 aircraft begins and its delivery to combat units.
        So the question is, where do the flashing lights climb with their old stuff at the price of PAK FA ??? In the Russian Air Force they do not shine, this is a no brainer! hi
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 June 2016 22: 48
      -1
      Quote: vv3
      Judging by the behavior of the developer, these issues are not resolved, they are hushed up and are not particularly raised.

      Quote: vv3
      The second is bureaucratic. Sell an obsolete brand at any cost under the guise of a new one with old engines and low combat qualities, and gain access to the feeder.

      While this prevails.
      And that means
      Quote: vv3
      The first is business! Create a truly competitive car with modern engines and a large combat radius with a combat load

      Out of the question request
      Why this regular sucker-PR flashing on VO?
      Write better about the real leader and his latest planes! This will be really interesting to read. yes
  11. weksha50
    weksha50 21 June 2016 17: 17
    +1
    "Under Indian law, Delhi cannot buy weapons and military equipment from only one supplier."...

    Now, only now I have at least a little bit understand the "multifaceted policy" of the purchase of weapons by India ...

    Well, the fact that the MiG-35, consider it - as a "marriageable bride" - is already good ... And then too much "hit" only heavy fighters, completely abandoning the lungs ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 June 2016 20: 56
      0
      Quote: weksha50
      And then they too "hit" only the heavy fighters, completely abandoning the light ones ...

      How much can you repeat? Dear, there are currently no heavy and light fighters. This concept has long sunk into oblivion, and you're all about fighter couples of the 70s of the last century. Now the whole world is rearming or has already done so, on IFI (multi-functional fighter) airplanes and the 5th generation airplanes following them.
  12. cedar
    cedar 21 June 2016 18: 00
    0
    In a unified system of automated control of the battle of modern network-centric warfare, the MiG-35 can become a necessary element for solving the tasks of gaining air supremacy over the battlefield. Improving tactics and weapons can also make this aircraft a worthy successor to the glorious deeds of the MiG-21 over time. The issue of price is also relevant and can decide the fate of the MiG. In any case, the car must be brought to mind and delivered to the VKS, let the eminent design bureau spread its wings!
  13. vetlan19
    vetlan19 21 June 2016 21: 15
    0
    Quote: Pushkar77
    Conscience should be at least a little bit, crazy grandmothers have already carried roofs. Tenders should be held normal, otherwise Mr. Rogozin betrayed that there is nothing to be presented by the MiG design bureau on a high-speed fighter, although the MiG-25, MiG-31, who created Dmitry Olegovich?


    Rogozin, as the representative of the 5th column, is obliged to take care of the failure of his country's defense policy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhN1BmXJ-zw
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 June 2016 21: 52
      0
      Quote: vetlan19
      Rogozin, as the representative of the 5th column, is obliged to take care of the failure of his country's defense policy.

      This is something beyond good and evil. Also say that the whole General Staff and Shoigu help him in this. fool
  14. Skubudu
    Skubudu 21 June 2016 23: 23
    +1
    According to Wikipedia, the MiG-29 in air battles did not win more than one victory in a 4th generation fighter, to which it belongs.
    You can certainly say that the pilots are bad, the planes had outdated radars, etc. or the enemy is many times superior ... But the fact remains,
    SU-27, F-15, F-16 they all shot down the MiG-29 in various conflicts, the MiG-29 shot down only 3-generation aircraft.
    Therefore, the MiG-35 (the modernized MiG-29) ... it is better to try to sell for export. And the VKS to equip the SU-35 and T-50
    And it is time for MiG RSK to create an airplane from Zero, and not engage in endless upgrades of MiG 29.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 June 2016 21: 00
      0
      Quote: Skubudu
      Therefore, the MiG-35 (the modernized MiG-29) ... it is better to try to sell for export. And the VKS to equip the SU-35 and T-50
      And it is time for MiG RSK to create an airplane from Zero, and not engage in endless upgrades of MiG 29.

      Totally agree with you drinks
  15. Winnie76
    Winnie76 22 June 2016 15: 08
    0
    Comrades, what is the argument? No one really knows the cost of purchasing the Mig-35, Su-35, T-50. I suspect that the cost of instantly is very high (and for objective reasons) with obviously less possibilities ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 June 2016 21: 04
      0
      Quote: Winnie76
      I suspect that the cost of instantly is very high (and for objective reasons) with obviously lesser possibilities...

      So let them sell them for export! So they are trying to promote and steam them into our Air Force! angry
      The Indians simply overturned them deservedly, and no one else pops up. So they climb with their unfinished pepelats in the state order of the Ministry of Defense!
      And advertising articles scatter. Tired already!