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About the plans of "Roskosmos" to create a habitable "lunar base"

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Newspaper "News" referring to the head of the press service of TsNIIMash, Olga Zharova reports that Roscosmos specialists are developing a project for the creation of a research station that will begin its work on the Moon. This is one of the segments of the so-called lunar program "Roscosmos", and its (segment) implementation is carried out by specialists from the head scientific department of the Federal Space Agency.


About the plans of "Roskosmos" to create a habitable "lunar base"


From the statement:
At the initial stages of the deployment of the lunar base, the number of its crew members does not exceed two to four people; at later stages, the number of crew members can reach 10 – 12 people. With four crew members and the duration of the 30 expedition of days, the minimum habitable volume of such a base is 20 cubic meters. For crew activity, the infrastructure must be on the surface of the moon. Radiation shelters can be created under the surface of the moon, power installations can be located. Sketchy designs exist, they were considered at TsNIIMASH. There are no plans to make test copies of such construction equipment. But their computer 3D models were developed.


According to Olga Zharova, a site is being selected for the possible placement of a lunar base. It is noted that the South Pole of the Earth’s natural satellite could become an area of ​​such location.

The draft lunar program (post-Soviet) was originally prepared by representatives of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Roskosmos and Moscow State University. The main declared goal is to create a habitable lunar base during 20-25 years - for research in terms of extracting lunar minerals. So far, it is not said what the real cost of this project is and whether there are adequate plans for the transportation of minerals from the Moon to the Earth?
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  1. sa-ag
    sa-ag 21 June 2016 07: 22
    +18
    There is no gas, missed the planetoid, it was necessary to write about Titan, there are hydrocarbons - threw a hose into the nearest methane lake and pump yourself :-)
    1. L. A. A.
      L. A. A. 21 June 2016 07: 25
      +13
      You need to try on the moon, and then you can choose another planet more suitable.
      1. Comrade Schucher
        Comrade Schucher 21 June 2016 07: 58
        +43
        Two will be against ...
        The first are sleepwalkers: they don’t need such restless residents as earthlings.
        The second is the Merikos: simply because everyone will find out that they WASN'T there.
        1. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 21 June 2016 08: 35
          +16
          Quote: Comrade Schucher
          Two will be against ...
          The first are sleepwalkers: they don’t need such restless residents as earthlings.
          The second is the Merikos: simply because everyone will find out that they WASN'T there.


          Third sa-ag. laughing He cannot live without our gas. laughing
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 21 June 2016 09: 33
          +11
          The second is the Merikos: simply because everyone will find out that they WASN'T there.
          And also because Americans there have long been selling land to everyone. I still do not understand why they also do not sell plots in the sun.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 22 June 2016 08: 35
            +1
            Now, you’ll land on the moon, and then you’ll get on someone’s site. Immediately slap a lawsuit for contempt of private property. Say stupid? But you can expect any idiocy from them.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 June 2016 13: 04
          +3
          Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
          The second is the Merikos: simply because everyone will find out that they WASN'T there.

          It would be more likely that you would be poked with nose with irrefutable evidence laughing but again you will claim that this is falsification fool laughing
      2. Shpagolom
        Shpagolom 21 June 2016 12: 51
        +2
        .... maybe try to establish life and life on earth first?
    2. kos2910
      kos2910 21 June 2016 07: 29
      +10
      why gas, there is deuterium - this is a good thermonuclear fuel. Although, everyone is more interested in what is on the other side of the moon and below the surface. The task is not mining, but intelligence. I remember that the USSR was pretending to mine expensive brown coal that was not needed by anyone on Spitsbergen, but itself ...
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 21 June 2016 07: 33
        +5
        Quote: kos2910
        there is deuterium

        There is deuterium on earth, if you are about helium-3, then it is also in the atmosphere of Jupiter, from where it’s easier to dial it with a spacecraft with a jet nuclear engine than to shovel the regolith of the Moon, and deuterium-tritium plasma was not really mastered, than Swing at helium-3, where temperatures are much higher.
        1. Simon
          Simon 21 June 2016 07: 56
          +11
          Well, that you scratch the wise guy! You still have to fly to Jupiter and there is a high attraction, how many times more Jupiter, and even our Earth, not to mention the Moon! fool Well, fly to the moon, much less cost, it is a satellite of the Earth, very close by cosmic standards. request
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 June 2016 08: 07
          +7
          that is, it is also in the atmosphere of Jupiter, from where it’s easier to dial it with a spacecraft with a jet engine than to shovel the regolith of the Moon

          If ... The powerful radiation belts of Jupiter and the same powerful gravitation somehow do not leave a chance for fuel intake. In the short term.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 21 June 2016 08: 51
            -6
            Quote: Wedmak
            The powerful radiation belts of Jupiter and the same powerful gravitation somehow do not leave a chance for fuel intake. In the short term.

            Well, let the robots work hard, but with a nuclear engine, gravity is defeated :-)
      2. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 21 June 2016 08: 48
        +3
        Quote: kos2910
        there is deuterium - this is a good thermonuclear fuel

        Deuterium alone is not enough for TN fuel; tritium is also needed, and the deuterium-deuterium cycle for TN reaction is more problematic. And in general, the extraction of helium-3 on the Moon is a PR move, because it is extremely unprofitable, it costs a lot, and the synthesis controlled by YOU is still not implemented, I still remember as a boy that they said that YOU synthesis will be carried out in 1985 year, then the dates were repeatedly postponed. And now there is no faith in all scientists in this field, they themselves do not know everything.
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 21 June 2016 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: kos2910
        Although, everyone is more interested in what is on the other side of the moon and below the surface. The task is not mining, but intelligence


        Is everything explored in our vast territories ???

        And the development of the fields has dirtied the whole nature around ... The Poor Moon and Mars (in the more distant future) - what awaits them ...
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 21 June 2016 18: 39
          +2
          Quote: weksha50
          Poor Moon and Mars (in the more distant future) - what awaits them ...


          Yeah, all the trees will be cut down, dumps, dumps from packages, chairs and old pots will also poison pesticides. Sorry for the birds. bully
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 21 June 2016 19: 38
            0
            Quote: Lelek
            Yeah, all the trees will be cut down, dumps, dumps from packages, chairs and old pots will also poison pesticides. Sorry for the birds.



            Yeah ... They forgot the main thing ... They will also teach fire sleepers and Martians to drink fire ... And craters will turn into garbage dumps ...
      4. Lelek
        Lelek 21 June 2016 18: 34
        0
        Quote: kos2910
        why gas, there is deuterium - this is a good thermonuclear fuel


        Well, for the extraction of deuterium and helium-3, large and complex enterprises are needed - a matter for the distant future. But the installation of a nuclear power unit for power supply of an inhabited complex is a real thing (liquid cooling of the reactor is not required at T = -190 deg.c.). Again, the transmission of electric power in ultra-low temperatures will find its application. The hardest problem (IMHO) is the Earth-Moon shuttle. And the location (again, IMHO) is better in the region of the North Pole, where reserves of water ice were found. Well, yes, our "eggheads" will solve the issues better than us-couch. yes
    3. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 21 June 2016 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: sa-ag
      threw a hose into the nearest methane lake and pump yourself :-)

      But on the Titan there is no oxygen, methane will not burn, and to carry it from so far away ... it will cost more than diamonds.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 21 June 2016 08: 46
        +1
        Quote: Starley from the South
        methane will not burn

        Why would he burn there? It can be used as a working fluid, pumping through a nuclear reactor
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 21 June 2016 09: 52
          +1
          Why would he burn there? It can be used as a working fluid, pumping through a nuclear reactor
          -----------------------------------
          From now on, please in more detail.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 June 2016 11: 31
        0
        and carry it from so far away ... it will cost more than diamonds.

        In the distant future there will be another option. Stupidly fit the Titan into the orbit of the Earth.
    4. i80186
      i80186 21 June 2016 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: sa-ag
      There is no gas, missed the planetoid, it was necessary to write about Titan, there are hydrocarbons - threw a hose into the nearest methane lake and pump yourself :-)

      There is gas there. Helium 3 is called. A lot of him in regalit. smile

    5. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 21 June 2016 10: 03
      0
      Quote: sa-ag
      There is no gas

      A nuclear reactor will not help?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 June 2016 10: 47
        0
        The reactor still needs to be delivered with something - but in general with Roskosmos, the Lunar Base, even in the long term, is an empty undertaking.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 June 2016 13: 09
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          The reactor still needs to be delivered there.

          Rogozin knows what - a trampoline! wassat
        2. Blondy
          Blondy 21 June 2016 14: 54
          +3
          Another noodle pro in 25 years. This base needs logistics, delivery ships in particular, perhaps an intermediate base. And about all this, a modest silence and no progress in this direction. Hence the diagnosis is another noodle.
    6. Andryukha
      Andryukha 21 June 2016 10: 16
      +1
      You shouldn’t joke. You just don’t know what minerals there are.
      And no one knows.
      The moon is like a target of a particle accelerator.
      Over billions of years, many utilities could have accumulated there.
      And since the composition of the target is not uniform, then the utilities are not evenly distributed.
      Who first took - that and slippers.
    7. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 21 June 2016 13: 26
      0
      Quote: sa-ag
      There is no gas, missed the planetoid,

      There is Helium-3.
  2. L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 21 June 2016 07: 26
    +4
    The main thing is to try to do this before the Americans, with the money of the Arab sheikhs.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 June 2016 07: 31
      +21
      Quote: L. A. A.
      The main thing is to try to do this before the Americans. And better with the money of Arab sheikhs.

      one person, it’s been on the moon! yes
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 21 June 2016 08: 54
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        one person, it’s been on the moon!

        And another person will be there again soon ... repeat
        Hi amateur! drinks
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 June 2016 07: 37
      +9
      Quote: L.A. A.
      The main thing is to try to do this before the Americans,

      While you are competing with amers, the first to come there are the Chinese.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 21 June 2016 08: 23
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        While you are competing with amers, the first to come there are the Chinese.

        Sasha hi . It's time for you to the moon. Otherwise, I will insist on your regional prosecutor about all your fraud with the natural resources of the region ... winked
        So come on, go to the heroes! Otherwise ... well, you yourself know ... repeat
        Hello sleepwalker! drinks
    3. Simon
      Simon 21 June 2016 07: 58
      -1
      The Americans won’t succeed, they don’t have our RD-180 engines anymore - they are over, and Russia has already refused to supply them. laughing
      1. romex1
        romex1 21 June 2016 08: 19
        +7
        reference about the rejection is possible?
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 21 June 2016 09: 27
          +3
          Who will leave them so big? They are Americans! We do not fly on these engines ourselves, we mold the "Angara" from ... we make everything to them.
  3. Riv
    Riv 21 June 2016 07: 28
    +1
    Yeah ... On Earth all things are done, the eggs (well, not the cats!) Can not be reached - let's design the lunar base. In my opinion, with a whisk on the street, such scientists will benefit by an order of magnitude more.
  4. edeligor
    edeligor 21 June 2016 07: 30
    +15
    Kudrin and Siruanov do not hear. They will show where Russia has a "lunar program", I'm not lying, the program will be implemented by canceling pensions. Sorry for the negative - a deviation from our team .......
    1. Simon
      Simon 21 June 2016 08: 01
      -5
      You want to say that pensioners are completely without pensions! fool Space and pensions are completely different budgets. request The pension budget is completely untouchable.
      1. edeligor
        edeligor 21 June 2016 08: 14
        +8
        That was sarcasm. Do not take to heart. Just don’t tell anyone else about the pension budget, okay? And then I will start to think that you are from the government ...
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 21 June 2016 10: 09
      +4
      Quote: edeligor
      Kudrin and Siruanov do not hear. They will show where Russia has a "lunar program", I'm not lying, the program will be implemented by canceling pensions. Sorry for the negative - a deviation from our team .......


      A bit of positive:
      I propose to send our football team to the moon as the first colonists. There they will be at an unattainable height. A close-knit team, reduced gravity, in which running is contraindicated. They will be accustomed to make smooth movements and short jumps.
      I propose to take funds for the expedition from the PHOTO of our beloved football players.
      The whole country will be proud of the cosmic success of our team.
      PS The pension fund will remain intact.
  5. avvg
    avvg 21 June 2016 07: 32
    +5
    The plans are grandiose, but I'm afraid that while we are firmly on the oil (gas) needle, they will also be told - "there is no money, but you hold on!"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 June 2016 07: 39
      +9
      Quote: avvg
      Grandiose plans

      What are the plans, to scratch your tongue about the base on the Moon, after 25 years. These are not plans, it was boring to people, so they sat and chatted about the Moon.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 21 June 2016 08: 12
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        about the base on the moon, in 25

        April 12, 1961 Gagarin flew into space. On July 20, 1969, Neil Armstrong entered the moon. 8 years have passed. From zero level, the first nuclear power plant was built in 9 years. So anything is possible. quarter-century long term
        1. 34 region
          34 region 21 June 2016 10: 27
          +2
          08.12/25. Well yes! The term is long. Or donkey will die or padish! Over the past XNUMX years, we have taken great strides! Russian unmanned vehicles plow the expanses of the universe, and self-propelled drones run around all the planets of the solar system! wassat
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 June 2016 10: 51
          +2
          At the end of the 60s, flying to the Moon was a very expensive undertaking - translating into modern money the USA spent about $ 2 trillion on the Moon saga.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 June 2016 11: 19
          +4
          Quote: Tusv
          On July 20, 1969, Neil Armstrong entered the moon. 8 years have passed.

          Well yes, I saw wassat
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 June 2016 11: 39
            -2
            The proof that the Americans on the moon were on all the videos - this in earthly conditions can not be removed.
          2. Red_Hamer
            Red_Hamer 21 June 2016 13: 17
            0
            laughing James Bond remembered! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9KmdhTNuaw
        4. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 21 June 2016 11: 40
          +1
          Quote: Tusv
          On July 20, 1969, Neil Armstrong entered the moon.
          and I went to the first grade, and THIS is documented by photographs without "photoshop"!
          blessed is he who believes ... laughing as colleague A. Romanov once said: they flew to the moon, and engines in the 21st century buy from us ... have you lost technology, or just forgot? and even easier, Hollywood no longer helps fly! wassat
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 June 2016 14: 04
            0
            It’s good that they are buying engines from us, and how they stop - so the production of RD 180 will have to be curtailed.
    2. aba
      aba 21 June 2016 08: 36
      +2
      "no money, but you hold on"!

      Yes-ah-ah ... Sayings of LADIES as an inevitable and all-encompassing Ebola virus. Although Ebola does not survive outside Africa, the quotes LADIES are popular "not only among everyone, very few people"
  6. Victor19
    Victor19 21 June 2016 07: 34
    +11
    Every year they announce some new projects. And how many of these projects did not take place Dawn, Clipper, Russia, etc. etc. So their work is such a language to work. Like we do something.
  7. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 21 June 2016 07: 38
    +2
    When drilling on the moon begins, start making an announcement that there is no fish!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 June 2016 12: 18
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      When drilling on the moon begins, start making an announcement that there is no fish!

      noot ... we don't need to drill in the lunar stadium ... it's funny, but we were "screwed in", we also drilled in the field ... there were no fish, but the ice screws "filled up" ... and the water was almost there, it was everything! oh, there was a time ... wassat
  8. dsm100
    dsm100 21 June 2016 07: 55
    +5
    You colleagues do not judge me strictly, what is the moon in FIG ?! Pensions would better raise or not raise the retirement age. Money is buried in this moon so much ....
  9. AID.S
    AID.S 21 June 2016 07: 57
    +1
    Or the donkey will die .... and if you already carry out the program for the exploration of the Moon (damn it sounds, DEVELOPMENT!), Then no Mikhalkovs, only Bekmambetov !!
    1. aba
      aba 21 June 2016 08: 37
      +2
      only Bekmambetov !!

      You are so sure. that ours are getting ready to follow the trail of Hollywood ?! wink
  10. kolkulon
    kolkulon 21 June 2016 07: 57
    -8
    What are the quilted jackets and the moon going to annex? smile Few sanctions good
    1. Marlen
      Marlen 21 June 2016 08: 08
      +3
      Yes, here we have a spy ...
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 21 June 2016 19: 40
        0
        Quote: Marlen
        Yes, here we have a spy ...



        More likely - kamikaze ...
  11. nikolaev
    nikolaev 21 June 2016 08: 08
    +1
    When mastering the Arctic, especially during the construction of military bases, it is important to develop mining technology for underground structures and create compact universal tools that will be applicable to lunar bases.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 21 June 2016 10: 39
      0
      Nikolaev! 08.08. What are the bases? If only they learned to build roads. Although what am I talking about? The roads are very expensive, but space on the shoulder! There aren’t enough road signs on the roads, columns for them (they hang on what’s necessary), and here’s space! They can’t do any street signs and house numbers, but they are swinging into space! Even for the president and the government they can’t create a car, but space can ?! And we have Russian-made computers? In general, fantasy leadership. Although it’s good that they even dream.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 June 2016 10: 53
      0
      All this will be created only at the expense of private investors.
  12. Dean
    Dean 21 June 2016 08: 14
    +12
    Another paper project for pumping out money. So you can draw 3D projects of Martian bases and at the same time not have normal carriers that can do all this. To have devastation in the industry such that "old" spent and reliable missiles are falling, not to have their own element base, and much more. So a bum digging in a dumpster can make plans to build a house on Rublevka. It is bitter to say this, but modern Russia is not capable of such projects
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 21 June 2016 08: 19
      +3
      Quote: Dean
      So bumzhik delving into a garbage container can make plans for the construction of a house on the ruble.

      So the bum is OUR! Anything can happen here. wink
      The Queen at one time trampled from the Kiev Polytechnic (I did not pass the math, I even know in which audience) .. and nothing ..
  13. hunt1
    hunt1 21 June 2016 08: 16
    +2
    while flights at our level of technological development will last for many months, not about any commercial or scientific (someone will not send 2-3 professors there for the sake of studying pebbles or something else it's just ridiculous) there can be no question of developing other planets except military. when they come up with how to reach the maximum a week before Mars, but if you think good for a day, then you can talk about space travel, but today our limit is near-Earth orbit unfortunately. Honestly, it seems to me that someone delays the development of cosmonautics around the world. the Yankees stopped developing in the 70s.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 21 June 2016 08: 28
      +3
      Quote: Hunt1
      someone delays the development of cosmonautics around the world

      It’s just that all resources are directed to earning profit as soon as possible, the capitalist model of world order, in principle, does not contribute to the implementation of global projects.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 21 June 2016 10: 48
      +4
      Hunt1! 08.16. Not only the development of astronautics is braked, but also the development of technologies in general. Judging by the corral of entire regions in the Stone Age, this is done purposefully. When the world of capital was threatened by socialism, science developed. There is no such threat today. Probably not in vain in the Middle Ages was the Inquisition, and today the North Atlantic coalition. They have one goal. Prevent scientific and technological development.
  14. Gray brother
    Gray brother 21 June 2016 08: 16
    0
    Under the surface of the moon, radiation shelters can be created

    They are strange, how are they going to choose a site without conducting geological surveys?
  15. Engineer
    Engineer 21 June 2016 08: 18
    +8
    I have only one question: what does Zharov think send to the moon all these modules of the lunar base and crews of up to 10 people, even if there are no plans to develop a superheavy rocket? How can you not recall the notorious trampoline.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 June 2016 08: 41
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      How can you not recall the notorious trampoline.

      There was such a project "trampoline" - called Angara. It’s unimportant and it was covered belay
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 21 June 2016 10: 19
      +2
      Quote: Engineer
      : and what does Zharov think send to the moon all these modules of the lunar base and crews of up to 10 people, even if there are no plans to develop a superheavy rocket?

      smile
      How do you like that?

      "Why do we need an expensive super-heavy carrier if there are no tasks for it?"

      We add this question to yours and as a result we have neither one nor the other. laughing
  16. Lazy ozzy
    Lazy ozzy 21 June 2016 08: 23
    +3
    Quote: Riv
    Yeah ... On Earth all things are done, the eggs (well, not the cats!) Can not be reached - let's design the lunar base. In my opinion, with a whisk on the street, such scientists will benefit by an order of magnitude more.

    Well, why are you talking about scientists. The statement was made by a certain madam, breed "effective manager". Most of our science is now in ... opera.
    1. Riv
      Riv 21 June 2016 08: 51
      +1
      It was these "scientists" that were meant.
  17. Million
    Million 21 June 2016 08: 24
    0
    Interesting topic. It would be only the result, but not cut the money
  18. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 21 June 2016 08: 25
    +3
    Again - they come up with different nonsense to steal money like a new nano project and let the people go hungry - The Edinoros are robbed of black thinking of a tax for nologs, you have to pay for everything, but in the end there is no money when pensioners ask
  19. Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 June 2016 08: 27
    0
    Quote: LazyOzzy
    Most of our science now in ... opera

    Therefore, from stupidity, they created Angara, Vostochny, an icebreaker as an atomic .. Well, there s-400,500, Armata, etc. not considered ..
    Think Michael sometimes what you write hi
  20. basy66
    basy66 21 June 2016 08: 40
    +4
    are there few problems on earth? in order to complete this program, you have to introduce an air tax, but where to get the money ?!
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 21 June 2016 08: 51
      0
      Tsiolkovsky least of all thought about money. Time will come sooner or later, everything will appear. And the scientific base is already there, not all at once.
  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 21 June 2016 08: 42
    +2
    What can we talk about if It is not yet said what the real cost of this project is and are there adequate plans for transporting minerals from the moon to the earth?
    Surely there are calculations both with us and with the Americans, and the Chinese have announced similar plans, and without numbers - profanity. Not that moment now, not those economic conditions. We would even begin to revive the program of automatic stations and count everything, otherwise it really is very similar to the next cut.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 21 June 2016 20: 03
      0
      All the calculations have been around for a long time, search the Internet. It turns out that one transport from the moon is enough for the whole planet for a year. smile
      And I’m sure that they will fly. And it is ours that will fly, because flights to space are primary only with us, all the others used our achievements. Let now everything is sold out, distributed and stolen. The Americans have our engine, but cannot repeat it - it explodes. Because they do not have the technology for its development, why it turned out like that. So it is with everything else. That's when they can make a space toilet, then we'll see.
      The first person to descend in large space was Valery Bykovsky, and immediately in an adult way. And they still go in diapers. smile
      I wrote it with great respect, it was an important problem.
  22. Lazy ozzy
    Lazy ozzy 21 June 2016 08: 47
    +4
    Quote: Barracuda
    Quote: LazyOzzy
    Much part of our science now in ... opera

    Therefore, from stupidity, they created Angara, Vostochny, an icebreaker as an atomic .. Well, there s-400,500, Armata, etc. not considered ..
    Think Michael sometimes what you write hi

    I think (sometimes), in Soviet / Russian science already read 30 years (KHN), Angara, icebreaker, S-400 basic principles Soviet, there is nothing particularly revolutionary there, I can’t say anything about Armata (not competent).
    ZY "big" and "all" are not the same.
    З.З.Ы. "academic" and "applied" are also somewhat different concepts.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 21 June 2016 09: 01
      0
      Fundamentals, so in the formulas and so everything is. A mathematical model - and implement it in metal, if industry allows. For some reason, the Japanese, for example, do not know much. Well, this is all interconnected. But I don’t see the difference between the USSR and Russia, the people are the same. And then we’ll get to the time of Ivan the Terrible.
    2. Erg
      Erg 21 June 2016 09: 03
      -1
      Basic science is artificially constrained. Progressive scientists are either destroyed or accused of pseudoscience. Unfortunately, about the world around us, the physics of its processes, utub gives more than "official science". That's how we live...
  23. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 June 2016 08: 55
    +2
    The exploration of the moon, of course, is an interesting thing and probably very necessary. But let's first solve the problem of the drain of talented brains outside the country. And then shit turns out, people study here, get serious knowledge and take it over a hill. Yes, to hell then this moon is needed so that the results also leave for the striped. Dima, are you out there, have your brains completely fooled?
  24. dzerzhinsky
    dzerzhinsky 21 June 2016 09: 03
    +1
    The main declared goal is the creation of an inhabited lunar base for 20-25 years - for exploration in terms of extraction of lunar minerals

    There are no words! Russia has the largest mineral reserves on planet Earth, which will last for hundreds of years (plus the undeveloped Arctic). Why spend money on projects that we don’t need at all, especially in such a difficult time for the country?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 21 June 2016 09: 10
      0
      Quote: Dzerzhinsky
      Russia has the largest mineral reserves on planet Earth, which will last for hundreds of years.

      And which Americans will exchange with us for helium-3, or perhaps even for some nishtyak, according to the predatory course.
      And all just because they will have a monopoly.
  25. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 21 June 2016 09: 05
    +3
    Apartments for all WWII veterans also promised.
    But too many veterans did not wait for them.
    Probably there were too many of them at that time ...
    ... veterans.
  26. Lazy ozzy
    Lazy ozzy 21 June 2016 09: 07
    +4
    Quote: Engineer
    I have only one question: what does Zharov think send to the moon all these modules of the lunar base and crews of up to 10 people, even if there are no plans to develop a superheavy rocket? How can you not recall the notorious trampoline.

    You are just a word like small. Let's blow a fanfare, knock on the timpani, say the magic words - "Tsiolkovsky!", "Korolev !!", "Russia forward !!!", and oops (!!!!) we are on the moon.
  27. hunt1
    hunt1 21 June 2016 09: 12
    +1
    maybe a breakthrough is planned in the engines on new principles, or they have opened a fundamentally new source of energy because it’s definitely cut to flights to planets and even to the moon on chemical engines. dates. what
  28. Lazy ozzy
    Lazy ozzy 21 June 2016 09: 32
    +3
    Quote: Erg
    Basic science is artificially constrained. Progressive scientists are either destroyed or accused of pseudoscience. Unfortunately, about the world around us, the physics of its processes, utub gives more than "official science". That's how we live...

    I don't know what you mean by "progressive scientists", everything is simpler here, Putin-Medvedev "boys" in suits from "Brioni" (well, "the toad strangles me," the "patriots" have a chance to throw at me ...) decide what is "promising" for science and, accordingly, what needs to be financed. These "boys", as a rule, have a legal / economic education (?), But physics / chemistry / mathematics are supervised "at once".
    1. Erg
      Erg 21 June 2016 21: 24
      0
      At least you yourself understood that you confirmed what I said? I am surprised by those who think that, in the light of recent (political) events, we are so daring ... But they don’t realize that we are only allowed to be one ... hi
  29. hunt1
    hunt1 21 June 2016 09: 40
    -2
    The main declared goal - the creation of a habitable lunar base for 20-25 years - for research in the plan extraction of lunar minerals.- maybe we lost all our minerals at EURO 2016 yesterday? then it’s clear where such plans come from, there’s nowhere to go.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 June 2016 10: 59
      -1
      "Extraction of lunar minerals". - More precisely, the extraction of public funds for a deliberately empty venture - with the subsequent closure of the program.
  30. Taygerus
    Taygerus 21 June 2016 09: 46
    0
    It’s high time for 20 years of stagnation, and after a civilian base to put up a military base (a joke, although there is some truth in every joke)
  31. Igor V
    Igor V 21 June 2016 09: 51
    +1
    Yes ... people do not understand the romance of interplanetary flights, they are all thinking about pensions. And in the old days they dreamed! smile
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 21 June 2016 10: 34
      -2
      Quote: Igor V
      Yes ... people do not understand the romance of interplanetary flights, they are all thinking about pensions.

      The people need to realize that from the salary in the envelope of contributions to the pension fund has never been and never will be.
      Putin is to blame, of course.
  32. RedBaron
    RedBaron 21 June 2016 10: 27
    0
    I rather believe in the Martian epic Ilona Mask ....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 June 2016 11: 06
      0
      And we can already say with absolute certainty that Musk will fulfill the Martian epic, and after that all the investors of the world who are interested in the exploration of outer space and other planets will flow to it, although Mask has plans in bulk.
  33. JonnyT
    JonnyT 21 June 2016 11: 59
    +2
    sofa conquerors of the moon)))) Well, there would have been an 3d model of conquering the sun right away on a computer
  34. weksha50
    weksha50 21 June 2016 13: 14
    +2
    " Under the surface of the moon, radiation shelters can be created, power plants can be placed"...

    Hmm ... I’ve probably become old ... I’m turning into a stagnant pragmatist ...

    We have that, in Russia, there are no more problems, except for the exploration of the moon ???
    Not to mention a simple landing, science fiction sawmillers even offer the construction of radiation shelters and power plants ... Space materials will deliver construction materials, equipment and migrant workers ...

    You will at least achieve the reliability coefficient for our transport missiles, in which they do not fall like mushroom rain ...

    TSNIIMASH is a very respected organization ... It was ... Under the USSR ... It is all the more strange to hear from its employee employees these Manilo projects ...

    I will say this: the next dough cut, which is already lacking ... Although - for whom it is enough, for whom - otherwise ...

    I would be in the place of VVP and the LADY told these science fiction writers sharply and categorically: "There is no money ... But you are there - hold on ... dream, that is" ...
  35. weksha50
    weksha50 21 June 2016 13: 25
    0
    I read the comments ...

    But how many optimists do we have ... After all, they seriously talk about the usefulness and even the need NOW to work on the lunar and even Martian problems ...

    But the fact that NATO clicks around the fence with its beak is not a problem?
    And the fact that we can’t produce our engines, and a lot of things, is this not a problem ???

    Yes, wherever we look, there are some problems that require the most urgent solution ...

    Which one. FIG Moon?

    Let's troll Amers: let's say we give them the right to the moon forever, provided that within the next 3-5 years they fly there and create their own station ... And there won’t be any war ... First, we’ll see whether they are there in real life ... Secondly, even their budget will be undermined ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 June 2016 14: 07
      +2
      On the moon they were confirmed.
  36. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 21 June 2016 13: 40
    +1
    Quote: weksha50
    I read the comments ...

    But how many optimists do we have ... After all, they seriously talk about the usefulness and even the need NOW to work on the lunar and even Martian problems ...

    But the fact that NATO clicks around the fence with its beak is not a problem?
    And the fact that we can’t produce our engines, and a lot of things, is this not a problem ???

    Yes, wherever we look, there are some problems that require the most urgent solution ...

    Which one. FIG Moon?

    Let's troll Amers: let's say we give them the right to the moon forever, provided that within the next 3-5 years they fly there and create their own station ... And there won’t be any war ... First, we’ll see whether they are there in real life ... Secondly, even their budget will be undermined ...

    SLS is almost ready, fly off without difficulty
    1. Lazy ozzy
      Lazy ozzy 21 June 2016 14: 50
      -2
      Quote: BlackMokona
      Quote: weksha50
      I read the comments ...

      But how many optimists do we have ... After all, they seriously talk about the usefulness and even the need NOW to work on the lunar and even Martian problems ...

      But the fact that NATO clicks around the fence with its beak is not a problem?
      And the fact that we can’t produce our engines, and a lot of things, is this not a problem ???

      Yes, wherever we look, there are some problems that require the most urgent solution ...

      Which one. FIG Moon?

      Let's troll Amers: let's say we give them the right to the moon forever, provided that within the next 3-5 years they fly there and create their own station ... And there won’t be any war ... First, we’ll see whether they are there in real life ... Secondly, even their budget will be undermined ...

      SLS almost ready, fly off without difficulty

      Oh, Ja! Ja! Super Rocket! Equipped with RS-25 \ 222,6 tf and J2X \ 133,4 tf (and why do they need the "Russian" RD-180 \ 423,4 tf). Well, the question for the "experts" - where did the "famous" F-1 \ 790 ts go (as they write in reference books, but you have to believe the paper!) - broke?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 June 2016 15: 26
        0
        F1 has not been produced for a long time, there is no longer any company producing them, and even these engines themselves are too healthy and not economical to put them on modern rocket carriers, all F1 are now museum exhibits -
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 21 June 2016 16: 02
      0
      Quote: BlackMokona
      SLS is almost ready, fly off without difficulty



      For God's sake, a feather in their back ... Let them all fly there ...

      I didn’t talk about that at all ... Yes, and the engines I didn’t mean were rocket engines, but for ships, helicopter planes in the first place ... Machine building is its own and many, and other, etc. ... We Now - not to race in the lunar and Martian odyssey ...
      There are enough of their burning problems ...
  37. alexfin
    alexfin 21 June 2016 14: 43
    +1
    .... "and the apple trees will bloom on Mars" ..... what a nafig moon passed already
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 June 2016 15: 50
      +2
      Apple trees on Mars can and will bloom - but only Russia will not have a relationship with this.
  38. Lazy ozzy
    Lazy ozzy 21 June 2016 16: 08
    -1
    Quote: Vadim237
    F1 has not been produced for a long time, the company producing them is no longer there, and these engines themselves too healthy and not economicalto put them on modern rocket launchers, all F1 are now museum exhibits -

    Nice person, of course I understand that the site "VO" is not scientific, and 90 percent (?) Of its visitors - "America - ... well, scatter - everything!", But sometimes you come across "very smart" (well, for example, like me) , therefore, the "fairy tales" about the F-1, this is for ... (I could not formulate "nice and decent", but what I think the "engine" of the forum does not miss).
  39. JonnyT
    JonnyT 21 June 2016 16: 54
    +1
    Barmigrad was much more realistic and viable, titanic in calculation and design was done, they decided to "invent a bicycle" anew and invented a scooter with square wheels ......... and when they were asked to report on the work done and the costs they would provide a miracle of a computer model for a few minutes of green paper ....... This is a real victory! Breakthrough in space exploration!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 June 2016 17: 13
      +1
      For 25 years those guys who are now offering all sorts of "Lunar not Lunar" projects will change several times and prices will change accordingly - towards a significant increase and there will be no one to ask.
  40. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 21 June 2016 20: 19
    +2
    If we turn our back on the cosmos, sooner or later, civilization will either simply die in an atomic flame, or it will numb to such a state that there will be nowhere else to go. What is now mass produced, except drochifonov, psychopaths and all Glaupenskoy crap? Almost nothing! Where is the advanced technology? Where are the new spacecraft engines? Where are the spaceships themselves? That's it. No them! For that 3d-backgrounds-pads-jerks up ... I and more! am This is not the way of development of civilization ... although it is beneficial for those in power to have a herd sitting on the Web ...
    1. Erg
      Erg 21 June 2016 21: 19
      0
      Plus, friend. We are the herd. Taxed, quitrent and hopeless. If we don't tell each other the truth, finding a way out will be extremely problematic. There will be no anti-gravity. There will be no "gravity". There will be no free energy from the ether, nothing will be ... Although, all this has long been there. The patricians decided that it was too early to give this to the plebeians ... They just need to remove the money, putting the whole herd in complete dependence on the digital code. Then, in general, each "sheep" will depend on the favor of the "doers". When I bring in something like that, the number of minuses further reinforces the idea that the herd is blinded. No - we will certainly live on. And our children? Grandchildren? .. hi