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Death planes on car bombs: how to protect against them in Syria

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Death planes on car bombs: how to protect against them in Syria



A recent video of the explosion of a car bombed by a suicide bomber raises questions about how to counter this threat. In the video, we see the old T-55, pickups with a small-caliber twin automatic gun ZU-23-2 and a large-caliber machine gun DShK.
But it is desirable that in place of the T-55 there would be something more modern, for example, the T-72B, and preferably the T-90A. It would be nice if the tank was equipped with air conditioning, so that the crew was in a combat vehicle with closed hatches. Then the explosion that happened next to him is not terrible - the shock wave and the fragments will not fall inside the fighting compartment. True, tanks with air conditioning is not in service with the Russian army - they went only for export to Algeria and Azerbaijan. Therefore, it is not surprising that the T-90 in Syria can often be seen with constantly open hatches.



Also available for export options T-90 with automatic target tracking (ASC). With these devices, which significantly increase the probability of hitting a target, the Russian army seems to have no problems. The S-P-T sights of the T-72B3 are exactly with the ASC, but the T-90A has a great advantage: the tank commander, using his own scope, can fire independently from 12,7-mm Kord while being behind armor. The Commander T-72B and T-72B3 are deprived of this important option.

Modern Russian tanks can use guided missiles, it’s time weapon engage in Syria.



It must be borne in mind that terrorists are trying to book their bombs on wheels and it is becoming more and more difficult to hit them with small arms, even large-caliber ones, like DShK machine guns. In addition, the repeated facts of the use of the BMP-packed with explosives and even tanks without turrets are noted. In the fight against such armored targets without modern tanks just can not get along.



As for the ZU-23-2 on a pick-up truck, then installing this gun on light vehicles is pointless. Even single shots rock the vehicle hard, and it’s almost impossible to get into a fast-moving “bomb on wheels”. Therefore, in the Russian army, the ZU-23-2 is mounted on KamAZ and Urals, the same must be done in Syria. By the way, the Syrians could see the ZU-23 above the amphibious unit of the BMP-1 - also a good option. And even better - to use for defense BMP-2 or BTR-82, still, as an option, ZSU-23-4 "Shilka".



In addition, it is necessary that in areas where Russian units are located with humanitarian missions, combat helicopters are constantly on duty.

All these measures in the complex will allow to neutralize such a serious threat as cars (tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, etc.) with suicide bombers.
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  1. dvina71
    dvina71 21 June 2016 21: 23
    +3
    I watched videos about such carts .. Everything has been invented before us. If it is not reasonable to drag concrete blocks to positions, then hedgehog can be done. And to carry such a truck with a manipulator for BTG. Steel, hedgehogs scattered and FSE ..
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 21 June 2016 21: 58
      +26
      Quote: dvina71
      I watched videos about such carts .. Everything has been invented before us. If it is not reasonable to drag concrete blocks to positions, then hedgehog can be done. And to carry such a truck with a manipulator for BTG. Steel, hedgehogs scattered and FSE ..

      Barmaley on "jihadmobiles" are not attacking right in the open field. As a rule, crowded places, checkpoints. Why not concrete blocks? A very effective thing. How many lives they have saved. We set them up around checkpoints, at a distance of 40-50 meters and along blocked roads in a checkerboard pattern. A rushing car with a suicide bomber will not be able to make a "snake", and if it tries, then there is an opportunity to shoot request
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 21 June 2016 22: 28
        +5
        Suicide bombers on ... ... how to protect themselves from them?
        It is best to consult with the state of Israel!
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 21 June 2016 22: 47
        +2
        A very effective thing


        Here I am about that. Plus more firing points from the flanks and shot areas.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 21 June 2016 23: 05
          +8
          Quote: Asadullah
          Here I am about that. Plus more firing points from the flanks and shot areas.

          So it was. At BTR or BMP checkpoints, plus one PC, sniper and RPG. At outposts from bunkers, caponiers with the same armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles to the mined perimeter hi
          Blocks allowed to slow down and even consider sitting behind the wheel, react in time ...
          In the described situation, among other things, our guy was left alone. Syrian, his mother is not good, instead of coordinated actions - he left the memory and him, saving himself request
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 21 June 2016 23: 28
            +1
            Quote: Andrey K
            So it was. At the checkpoint

            That's it. On the block posts. And it's not about that. On the offensive. They took a position, began to equip - a tachanka flew in ... buh .. and that’s it. Where to get the blocks?
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 22 June 2016 00: 00
              +5
              Quote: dvina71

              That's it. On the block posts. And it's not about that. On the offensive. They took a position, began to equip - a tachanka flew in ... buh .. and that’s it. Where to get the blocks?

              What offensive are you talking about? The article begins with a description of the bombing in which our boyfriend died. If my memory serves me right, he provided security for the humanitarian aid distribution event. That is, the protection of the place, with a massive stay of the civilian population. I am guided by this fact. In the offensive, in essence of the very definition, the military units are moving forward, destroying the enemy’s equipment whenever possible. In defense, as well, actions are painted to the smallest detail hi
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 22 June 2016 01: 53
                +3
                Quote: Andrey K
                If memory serves me right

                She's cheating on you. Screen from the video, where the explosion takes place in the desert. There is a tank and two carts. They hit the bomb, it does not stop, and explodes near the tank.
                Where to put there and most importantly .. where to get .. these blocks?
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 22 June 2016 10: 43
                  +6
                  I will not argue with you. Especially since you refer to the frontal shooting, and what is behind this improvised post? request
                  Based on the messages:
                  In Syria, Russian serviceman Andrei Timoshenkov stopped a car stuffed with explosives at the humanitarian aid issuing point, opening fire on him with small arms. In the explosion of a car driven by a suicide bomber, the sergeant himself was injured, from which he later died.
                  On the front, something is not visible cars with humanitarian aid and civilians receiving it request
                  As for the blocks and everything else - there are good words of Abraham Lincoln: Whoever wants is looking for opportunities. He who does not want seeks reasons ...
                  There would be a desire, would have found options without using blocks. Mattress covers, cubic tanks, stuff with sand and gravel ... Yes, there would be a desire hi
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 22 June 2016 12: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Based on the messages:

                    and even based on such reports. If our humanitarian workers do not want to frighten the local population with blocking armored personnel carriers and snipers with large-caliber rifles on the roofs, the simplest thing is that they arrived, put a snake of hedgehogs on the road, handed out .. collected hedgehogs and left. With blocks this will not work.
                    1. Asadullah
                      Asadullah 22 June 2016 15: 03
                      0
                      With blocks this will not work.


                      What are you clinging to these blocks, blocks, this is the fastest and most convenient. From that they carry the props, that would not be necessary - bought-found, barely carried away their feet. At one time, embankments were made, simply from the ground. It only works more. But you know, life is precious as a memory .....
                  2. Thomas 1989
                    Thomas 1989 22 June 2016 16: 10
                    0
                    watched this vidos on another site, it says that this is the death of our guy, very similar. The crew of the pickup "boldly" fled, like our guy in a sandy uniform fired alone. The behavior of these "warriors" is certainly striking! Is it invited to give them new tanks?
              2. Pereira
                Pereira 22 June 2016 18: 10
                0
                Judging by the map, there was no humanitarian aid there.
                He was in the very first line.
          2. DHA
            DHA 22 June 2016 09: 43
            +1
            Quote: Andrey K
            Syrian, his mother is not good, instead of coordinated actions - he left the memory and him, saving himself

            They as I look at those are still warriors.
      3. kotvov
        kotvov 22 June 2016 12: 39
        0
        . Why not concrete blocks? A very effective thing. ,,
        Andrey, of course, is a plus for you, but is there any time to install the blocks. Looking at the videos, I noticed that they are carrying out machine-bomb attacks immediately after the position has been recaptured. I think that under these conditions only the density of fire will stop these ,, kamikaze ,,
    2. rpek32
      rpek32 22 June 2016 03: 24
      +2
      also the first thing I thought about hedgehogs. can't blast quickly - immobilize
  2. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 21 June 2016 21: 29
    +20
    But it is desirable that in place of T-55 there would be something more modern, for example, T-72B, and better T-90A. It would be nice if the tank was equipped with air conditioning, so that the crew was in a combat vehicle with closed hatches. Then the explosion that happened next to him is not terrible - the shock wave and the fragments will not fall inside the crew compartment. True, air-conditioned tanks are not in service with the Russian army - they were only exported to Algeria and Azerbaijan. Therefore, it is not surprising that T-90 in Syria can very often be seen with constantly open hatches.

    Deep and competent analytics, though for some reason it does not command respect. It's very easy to express your opinion without being a participant or organizer of what is happening, but I'm sure the article will cause a lot of comments! And I am both funny and sad, the site has less and less serious analytics, advertisers demand profit and the site slides into "plus and minus signs" for the sake of visiting. hi
    Few people are interested in their own and interesting thoughts, everyone wants to be a "marshal". It's a pity, initially the site was simply magnificent and interesting.
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    2. dmikras
      dmikras 22 June 2016 20: 22
      0
      It is desirable that the shells were like buckshot, then a lot of field would be solved
  3. PValery53
    PValery53 21 June 2016 21: 30
    +7
    In addition to all technical tricks in Syria and in all territories controlled by us, to approve the LAW: all pre-negotiated vehicles stop for ... 50 m from the checkpoint or combat position, otherwise the artillery fire for destruction immediately opens.
    1. CTPEJIKuH
      CTPEJIKuH 21 June 2016 21: 35
      0
      Quote: PValery53
      artillery fire to destroy

      Immediately a tactical warhead, which is already there.
      1. romex1
        romex1 22 June 2016 02: 15
        -2
        it is possible and so right point - U
    2. skeptic
      skeptic 22 June 2016 11: 35
      0
      Quote: PValery53
      In addition to all technical tricks in Syria and in all territories controlled by us, to approve the LAW: all pre-negotiated vehicles stop for ... 50 m from the checkpoint or combat position, otherwise the artillery fire for destruction immediately opens.


      All this is good, even temporary, but guided mine-laying, in threatened directions. With a directed explosion, the suicide bomber detonates (regardless of the armor of his stuffed wunderwaffle).
      Fire in an open area is better to destroy the oncoming fire. Even in the absence of blocks.
  4. jk_a
    jk_a 21 June 2016 21: 34
    -2
    The author really thinks that with such an explosion power, even close to the tank, as shown in the video, would the T-90 help?
    The tower with epaulettes will fly off at such an explosion power and as a result, the explosion of the ammunition is guaranteed. No tank will help in this case, as in the video.
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 21 June 2016 21: 46
      +6
      The author really thinks


      laughing The author does not really think or thinks about primary sexual characteristics. According to his logic, a ton of explosives is deadly for the 55th and safe for the 72nd.)))

      Just what is there to think, when everything has already been invented, engineering structures, the extended position of the checkpoint, when one or two military personnel can become the target of such a martyr. Otherwise, the will of chance.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 21 June 2016 22: 25
        +2
        Quote: Asadullah
        Just what is there to think, when everything has already been invented, engineering structures, the extended position of the checkpoint, when one or two military personnel can become the target of such a martyr. Otherwise, the will of chance.

        at the same time it is much cheaper than fitting the arbes for free, expensive equipment with air conditioning and guided missiles.
      2. code54
        code54 21 June 2016 23: 04
        +2
        the author does not think, but rather does not know.
        "The system of collective protection ZETs13-1, protects the crew and internal equipment of the tank from the consequences of the use of weapons of mass destruction by the enemy by sealing the internal volume of the tank and creating excess pressure with air purified in the filter ventilation unit (FVU)."
        The fact that usually this thing is not used in exercises is understandable. And it works fine! Only they don't call it "air conditioner".
    2. jk_a
      jk_a 21 June 2016 22: 04
      -1
      Here is a photo of this tank
    3. Two handed
      Two handed 22 June 2016 05: 15
      +1
      Do not rip. (The result of the FAB-250 bomb falling 4,6 meters from the stern of the Tiger heavy tank). The explosive impact of explosives is not directed, to disrupt the tower, etc. definitely will not. During World War II, the only Soviet tank to suffer from air bombs was the t-26 due to the lack of armor. At the training grounds, they blew up near the old equipment, nothing was ripped off.
  5. GABALIS
    GABALIS 21 June 2016 21: 40
    +3
    mine around the perimeter of the location, as an option.
  6. Tusv
    Tusv 21 June 2016 21: 48
    +2
    My friend served on a propaganda machine. Do you remember? Russian give in, waiting for you ... Broadcasts far enough. Why not read the Qur'an from her? What awaits ISIS fighters, that they are sinners and Allah does not need them
  7. Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 21 June 2016 21: 48
    +4
    There is a 300% method tested by England in British India, which should be applied in the case of Islamic terrorism, not only in Syria, but also in our North Caucasus:

    1. collect (body) the remains of a suicide bomber or a terrorist killed by security forces

    2. identify

    3. digging his grave

    4. we put in the license plate (nameless) grave a naked, but with a loincloth, body or the remains of a terrorist, calling his (her) name and other known personal data

    5. we cut the pig, we cut it right there, we throw in the grave the body or the remains of the terrorist with pork giblets and pour them with pork blood

    6. We remove all these actions on a live video with comments of each action and send a copy of the video to the terrorist’s relatives and direct him to the terrorist attack with a clear warning that it will be with EVERY terrorist killed.

    100% Islamic terrorism will end IMMEDIATELY - these animals believe that the suicide and the killed in the war with the "infidels" will go to heaven, where "gaalim" - virgin boys are waiting for him. But a pig in Islam is an unclean animal and even a simple touch to it defiles a "faithful", after which he will not see a paradise brothel with boys as his own ears.

    But for this we need a not rotten liberal-dermocratic regime as it is now in the Russian Federation
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 21 June 2016 22: 15
      0
      Quote: Joe Stalin
      But for this we need a not rotten liberal-dermocratic regime as it is now in the Russian Federation

      What is possible for one-faith scoffers is impossible with us under any regime, since it will be the greatest stupidity.
      Threat. I put a plus
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 21 June 2016 22: 21
        +4
        as all muftis of the Russian Federation have repeatedly stated, terrorists do not have religion and they are NOT people, therefore, as they despised the sacred, Gd given right to life of other people, they themselves do not have the right to a worthy attitude towards them.

        The method is very effective and proved not only in England but also in Israel in the 60s of the twentieth century. We in the Russian Federation should not care about the "opinion" of the world gay community, just as Israel does not care. The main thing for us should be to end terrorism and save the lives of Russian (and non-Russian) people.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 21 June 2016 22: 43
          +3
          Quote: Joe Stalin
          The method is very effective and proven not only in England but also in Israel in the 60s of the twentieth century.

          Excuse me. Our regions, where they profess Islam, have no relation to the colonies and occupied territories. So this method is simply unacceptable
          1. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 21 June 2016 22: 53
            +1
            Highlanders of the Caucasus understand and respect only TWO things:

            1) strength

            2) justice

            such a shameful burial of these bastards will be a sign of the Forces of Russia in the Caucasus and will be fair to these creatures - all Caucasians will understand that the dog is a dog’s death and nothing else
        2. 34 region
          34 region 22 June 2016 02: 31
          +1
          Stalin! 22.21. Instead of Islam, there can be any other ideology. How then to be? For example, Ukrainians. How do they moderate jumping ability? How to stop the ideology of fascism?
          1. Joe stalin
            Joe stalin 22 June 2016 11: 04
            +1
            reunification of the Little Russian and Novorossiysk federal districts with the Russian Federation and intensive occupational therapy in the mines of Siberia and Far East
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 21 June 2016 22: 27
      +5
      Quote: Joe Stalin
      100% Islamic terrorism will end IMMEDIATELY - these animals believe that the suicide and the killed in the war with the "infidels" will go to heaven, where "gaalim" - virgin boys are waiting for him. But a pig in Islam is an unclean animal and even a simple touch to it defiles a "faithful", after which he will not see a paradise brothel with boys as his own ears.

      Radically, but has the right to live in war smile After all, a clouded brain, if the conditions of its consent are not fulfilled, may be agitated and wonder - why would I sacrifice my life if virgin boys and girls do not shine for me what .
      Again, another question - if suicide bombers make sacrifices not for the sake of blessings in paradise, but, for example, for money for their family or other more materialistic benefits for relatives? winked Then the idea with a pig does not roll request
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 21 June 2016 23: 03
        0
        shame for the family of a faithful from swine shame outweighs all possible "material benefits" - do not forget that the Islamic religion is primitive in its morals
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 21 June 2016 22: 28
      +5
      Quote: Joe Stalin
      There is a 300% method tested by England in British India, which should be applied in the case of Islamic terrorism

      something in Afghanistan, this method did not help the British, they doubled them on the first number. And in British India, the majority of Indians were, who were buzzing, and they professed Hinduism
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 21 June 2016 22: 56
        +1
        in Afghanistan, the British were only two short-term expeditions, and they clearly had no time to fight terrorism - they barely took their feet from there in 1839 - 1843.
        In Pakistan, in the 30s of the twentieth century, they were masters and fought terrorism with cruelty and principle. The terror in British India took place precisely in its Islamic part - Pakistan.
        Three to you with a minus on the subject of the dispute!
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 21 June 2016 22: 48
      +4
      If you start doing this, those who are preparing suicide bombers will convince them that after such a death they will immediately go to heaven, and what they will do with the body is no longer important.
      1. romex1
        romex1 22 June 2016 02: 25
        0
        such an option is also possible - but still he must go through the rite of burial as usual, otherwise they will not be able to explain anything to the suicide bombers. Although, who is in the topic, maybe they will tell how it is right?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 22 June 2016 06: 43
          +1
          Quote: romex1
          Although, who is in the subject, maybe they will tell how it is right

          The point is not that it corresponds to Islam as a religion, but that all this terrorism is created by US intelligence, and they wanted to spit on any religion there. Well, professional ideologists and psychologists will justify any idea.
    5. fiodor
      fiodor 21 June 2016 23: 27
      0
      Quote: Joe Stalin
      100% Islamic terrorism will end IMMEDIATELY - these animals believe that the suicide and the killed in the war with the "infidels" will go to heaven, where "gaalim" - virgin boys are waiting for him.

      Hmm, interesting, but you mean women virgins, boys get virgins, or are there all the same buggers and a harem of virgin gurus they do not need? wassat but in general the thought is correct. I heard about wrapping a pig in the skin and a funeral in it to curse.
    6. code54
      code54 22 June 2016 00: 21
      0
      Ears are not easier to cut off? Or is it not from this series?
    7. DHA
      DHA 22 June 2016 09: 49
      0
      These are old tales.
    8. AID.S
      AID.S 22 June 2016 12: 22
      0
      Quote: Joe Stalin
      There is a 300% method tested by England in British India,

      And it’s better to capture the terrorists alive and tear off their paws, and then their heads, then they can’t do anything. 1000 percent will help, even without British experience.
      Madhouse.
  8. Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 21 June 2016 21: 51
    -2
    Quote: GABALIS
    mine around the perimeter of the location, as an option.

    to make the fireworks brighter?
    1. GABALIS
      GABALIS 21 June 2016 22: 24
      +3
      In the Donbass, there is a photo on the network; fifty anti-tank mines connected through centimeters are on asphalt near the checkpoint. In the desert of barmaley, the visibility is close to zero in a dust jihad. If you stand stretching around the perimeter of a mine .. This is my humble opinion.
  9. demiurg
    demiurg 21 June 2016 21: 55
    +4
    And to dig a half-meter ditch in front of the tank is not fate? A snake with two or three sharp turns?
    And where does the T-90 and shilka? They will also blow apart.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 21 June 2016 22: 31
      -1
      Yes, here the topic, including in comments, is a direct flight of the thoughts of the couch special forces - inventions of ukroshkolniki to help atoshniks rest
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    3. PKK
      PKK 22 June 2016 05: 28
      0
      I support the topic of digging roads and fields with trenches. A wheeled DM will not pass, but against a caterpillar DM, keep your willing front-to-head on BMP. I left and butt with a jihat mobile on his forehead.
      1. atalef
        atalef 22 June 2016 05: 37
        +1
        Quote: PKK
        I support the topic of digging roads and fields with trenches. A wheeled DM will not pass, but against a caterpillar DM, keep your willing front-to-head on BMP. I left and butt with a jihat mobile on his forehead.

        And as you check everything, the number of roads in Syria is not large and the army blocks the most important.
        How can I check all vehicles
        ? If we say the movement of 10 cars per minute. and even if 5 (which is really miserable)
        Jihad - a mobile - it may well be a simple passenger car.
  10. DON-100
    DON-100 21 June 2016 22: 03
    0
    I’m not special of course, but it seems to me that our fighter should have been given at least an RPG-7, and not just sent with a machine gun to certain death. I understand that getting into a carrier car is not easy, but at least there would be some kind of chance, but ... it's a shame for a guy.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 21 June 2016 22: 17
      +10
      He had an AK-74 judging by the DTC.

      He leaned on the hood of the pickup truck, where the ZU-23 stood. But after two short bursts (past) the Syrian jumped out of the turret, at first conceived to run away, and then hid behind the car until the end.

      Why was the memory silent? Ammunition run out? Or jammed and confused. In any case, the runaway DShK and the silent memory were the best chances for the elimination of the martyr’s car.
    2. Schulz
      Schulz 21 June 2016 22: 39
      -3
      Quote: DON-100
      I’m not special of course, but it seems to me that our fighter should have been given at least an RPG-7, and not just sent with a machine gun to certain death.

      I think from RPG-7 to hit a fast-moving target unrealmadrid, but something like Spike or Javelin could solve the problem.
  11. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 21 June 2016 22: 14
    +1
    author .. go to the quarry some thread yes look there what an explosion is ... and then there it is not that. 250kg a bomb will turn a tank upside down 5 meters away from it ... and then there was a ton
  12. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 21 June 2016 22: 27
    +3
    Technique is good when there is, but in any case, an engineering fence appropriate to the terrain and conditions is necessary.
  13. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 21 June 2016 22: 30
    0
    So far, no one has been able to effectively deal with suicide bombers, that is, the West does not fight them, and the rest have failed. It seems that the most effective will be missiles from helicopters or drones. From the air such a car is easier to detect and destroy. On earth, as we see, there is always smoke, dust, or buildings, because of which suicide bombers appear suddenly.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 June 2016 22: 33
    +9
    Well, it’s just necessary ATGM to cover the checkpoints. "Metis" will be enough. No jihadmobile can handle this. We just unfold a couple, along the main directions of the entrance, and that's enough. And then tanks, "Shilki" ... Well, and do not allow cars at speed to slip the road sections in front of the checkpoints. Pulled - get it. Whether you are a suicide or not, Allah will recognize his own there.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 June 2016 23: 16
      +7
      The main gap is not how to destroy, but how to identify in the general flow of machines
      in front of the checkpoint a car full of explosives.
      They do a preliminary in front of the main checkpoint - where a soldier checks with a detector
      cars. If there is danger, then it gives a special signal, and the road is blocked
      for example a truck with stones. If some car does not stop for pre
      checks are the same.
      1. black
        black 22 June 2016 10: 12
        +2
        Mine barrier. Anti-tank mines are installed on the board. The ropes are tied to the board, and a detour is not possible at the place where the trip is. Also, unequipped positions are covered by mines mounted on the ground.
  15. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 21 June 2016 22: 47
    +1
    Quote: CTPEJIKuH
    Quote: PValery53
    artillery fire to destroy

    Immediately a tactical warhead, which is already there.

    And the relatives of the dead soldiers and a nuclear bomb would be thrown off. For them, the death of the son of his brother’s grandson is a universal tragedy. For the relatives of the dead soldiers, this is the collapse of everything.
  16. family tree
    family tree 21 June 2016 22: 48
    +1
    And why so against a half a hundred then what It’s quite a machine, especially IMRI, on its basis. But tanks are not needed against jihad vehicles, and the track is approaching twisting artificially, with engineering, damn it, explosive and mine-blasting barriers, so that they approach the block at 5 km / h for half a kilometer, under the supervision of KPVT, at least from the ground.
    So, it even happened that engineering-sapper equipment would be more relevant there, to build, because you won’t break it, you won’t get enough TNT what
  17. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 21 June 2016 22: 49
    +2
    In my opinion, there are really problems with both fortification and motivation in Syria. But ... FIVE years of continuous military operations are many, very many, and many have dropped their hands. It’s a pity the Syrians, and even more so!
  18. Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 21 June 2016 23: 01
    -1
    Quote: Dart2027
    If you start doing this, those who are preparing suicide bombers will convince them that after such a death they will immediately go to heaven, and what they will do with the body is no longer important.

    and they can guarantee that they were not poured with pig blood, say in a state of clinical death?
    1. code54
      code54 22 June 2016 00: 28
      +4
      You got a little bit with pig blood. Even in the armeiski, the muslim stewed hamsters and did not spin. One told me, but I think it's lamb!
      1. fiodor
        fiodor 22 June 2016 00: 48
        +1
        Well, what’s the main thing here ?, so as to tear off or label the canned food. then God doesn’t see and you are the type in ignorance of what you eat, all chiki bunch, mutton ala natural. You can drop something under this thing and into a bottle from under the mineral water winked
  19. saygon66
    saygon66 21 June 2016 23: 03
    +3
    -And why suddenly the main sign of a jihadmobile was a quick, rectilinear movement in the direction of the block?
    - In Iraq and Afghanistan, suicide bombers quietly passed barriers, being blown up during the search, directly at the checkpoint (there are plenty of videos on the Web).
    - The only way out is to take out the inspection group of meters at 150-200 from the post ... Not the best way, I agree, but will reduce losses to a minimum.
    1. family tree
      family tree 21 June 2016 23: 42
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      Yes, there is no panacea, at least something, well, they are dying in war, so at least less of this dirt, blood and shit
  20. Cobra77
    Cobra77 21 June 2016 23: 09
    +2
    Quote: donavi49
    He had an AK-74 judging by the DTC.

    He leaned on the hood of the pickup truck, where the ZU-23 stood. But after two short bursts (past) the Syrian jumped out of the turret, at first conceived to run away, and then hid behind the car until the end.

    Why was the memory silent? Ammunition run out? Or jammed and confused. In any case, the runaway DShK and the silent memory were the best chances for the elimination of the martyr’s car.


    I also don’t understand this situation, there is a ZU-23, getting from it with at least 4-5 shells at a martyr’s vehicle will kill either the driver or the engine. And with a guarantee. No hinged armor will help. In the tape, most likely 3-4 OFZ - 1 BZT shells. Consider shooting at point blank range, no particular amendments are needed, counting ahead is almost absent too. How can I miss it, I don’t understand .... If I even had a little practice of course. The fact that DShK escaped is generally a zvizdets. Honestly, on the spot of the commander I would have shot him on heh .. him, for cowardice because of which the soldiers died and the equipment was destroyed. However, it is not in vain that people familiar with Arabs and their warriors claim that they are extremely mediocre and not staunch for the most part. They easily recede with losses, easily panic.

    Once again, I was convinced that ours, despite everything, are still excellent fighters.
  21. tokarnik
    tokarnik 21 June 2016 23: 27
    +1
    Guys, it’s a shame that our people are dying in Syria! Earth They rest in peace!
    I want to find out from you how you watch the BMPT combat vehicle?
  22. Joe stalin
    Joe stalin 21 June 2016 23: 35
    -3
    Quote: fiodor
    Quote: Joe Stalin
    100% Islamic terrorism will end IMMEDIATELY - these animals believe that the suicide and the killed in the war with the "infidels" will go to heaven, where "gaalim" - virgin boys are waiting for him.

    Hmm, interesting, but you mean women virgins, boys get virgins, or are there all the same buggers and a harem of virgin gurus they do not need? wassat but in general the thought is correct. I heard about wrapping a pig in the skin and a funeral in it to curse.


    The Qur'an itself supports the pederasts in its description of Paradise:

    52: 17-29 And they will have the boys [ghilmaan] among them, like hidden pearls.
    56: 22-23 and dark-eyed [hoorun 'eenun], like hidden pearls
    76:19 And the immortal boys [wildaanun mukhalladoona] will be among them.
    2:25 And they must have perfect partners [azwaajun mutahharatun] in the [gardens] ...
    4:57 And they must have perfect partners [azwaajun mutahharatun] in them ...
    1. raif
      raif 22 June 2016 00: 42
      +5
      do you hear, pervert, you’re not a pedophile yourself? paint here bullshit. the topic is completely different, as is the site. in the Caucasus it was enough not to give out the body of the militant - just to bury anonymously. where you, clinical, in the middle of the desert in a predominantly Muslim country you will find a pig - will you carry with you? and in the heat will you mess with the process? and keep a camera on hand for this? you, it seems, are also a bestiality and a lover of other perversions. and do not pervert the Quran without being a connoisseur of an alien religion to you. I’d better suggest something on the case - preventing the jihad-mobile bombings
      1. Joe stalin
        Joe stalin 22 June 2016 15: 39
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        Is checking quotes hard?
  23. nik1321
    nik1321 22 June 2016 03: 35
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    It’s a good idea with a snake, but instead of concrete blocks (if there are none), you can collect curbstones from bags of soil - certainly worse than concrete, but it’s realistic to build at least somewhere and the car’s speed to slow down at all. Introduce strict speed limits in front of the block post. Separation of the main part of the post and search unit will save many lives. Moat and mining are the same, if possible, and if you think about a lot of things to offer. But all these are military measures, it seems to me that we need to involve more politicians and special services, and anyone .. to work with terrorist sponsors - wherever they are ... so pay money if necessary. The war is only because it is beneficial to someone (and not because of all kinds of morons with machine guns, etc.). Usually, all these bandit sponsors rake in what is called heat with the wrong hands .. you need to give them the opportunity to get burned personally, but better. there is money, human waste and impunity, those who finance all this - the war will continue for a long time and to exhaustion.
  24. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 22 June 2016 05: 49
    +1
    There can be a lot of measures, not only listed here. These are systems of passes to important facilities and civilian facilities, they are different. But in any case, it is not possible to fight here without highlighting financial and technical measures. It does not make sense to list measures; here you can write a whole book. Terrorists are very inventive, there will always be force majeure. It is like an eternal struggle against drug trafficking.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 22 June 2016 09: 37
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      Yes, I agree, but the very first thing that should have been was a drone to survey the terrain from a great height. Where are these vaunted copters that shoot videos for the media, and this is the first line of defense and sometimes the most effective.
  25. sa-ag
    sa-ag 22 June 2016 06: 39
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    "... All these measures in combination will neutralize such a serious threat as cars (tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, etc.) with suicide bombers."

    "On your ANTI-AON we have ANTI-ANTI-AON" (C) - ISIS has an ATGM TOW
  26. Tequilla
    Tequilla 22 June 2016 08: 09
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    If you watch the video, the suicide bomber was traveling from the desert. What is there a snake with blocks ?! This is an open area where the whole area is expensive.
    It seems to me in such cases, a minefield in certain directions. Further, the presence of a large-caliber rifle from 12,7 mm, RPGs (Kurds and RPG7s beat on jihad mobiles and fell), ATGM is generally chic. Maybe another AGS ?! The first task and the main task is to stop transport at distant entrances, if a suicide bomber comes up and does not suit self-explosion, then it can be completely finished off as in a dash.
    1. code54
      code54 23 June 2016 09: 56
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      Well, a moat can definitely be dug in a half-ring, such a reverse speed bump will definitely reduce the speed! No?
  27. Erg
    Erg 22 June 2016 08: 18
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    There were many expressed tactical ideas. But our country also has a strategic method of combating the enemies of the people, successfully applied by Joseph Vissarionovich ... Here, as they say, decide for yourself. To beat, so to beat.
  28. Irokez
    Irokez 22 June 2016 09: 09
    +1
    Quote: Joe Stalin
    But for this we need a not rotten liberal-dermocratic regime as it is now in the Russian Federation

    With these words, you ruined everything in your post.
    Right now, it’s not the time of Stalin who was not bad at the time and with his methods of that time. Right now, and equipment with weapons and other technology infowars steeper and even the tactics of warfare have changed. Therefore, it is necessary to speak realistically in time, and not to harass all the provincialism, part of which is not rotten and not liberal-democratic, but you are all the same as in the days of Stalin, and with this method no one will even be normal, only abnormal ones will survive because will not think, but only execute orders.
  29. Vladimir
    Vladimir 22 June 2016 10: 20
    -1
    Quote: Joe Stalin
    4:57 And they must have perfect partners [azwaajun mutahharatun] in them


    You advise here to learn the Koran and bring a pig with you for all the foolishness to a place in order to advise how to protect the roadblock from hundreds of kilograms of TNT. You would better bring such quotes from the Koran to the mosque. On this site are normal people.
    1. Joe stalin
      Joe stalin 22 June 2016 15: 41
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      The enemy is defeated psychologically first of all - first of all it is necessary to destroy fanatically - religious motivation for "jihad"
      "Those who sit in the fortress always lose"
      Napoleon Bonaparte
  30. Ivan65
    Ivan65 22 June 2016 12: 26
    +1
    There are cars digging pits very fast, there are bulldozers ... It is necessary to arrange barriers to obstruct the easy passage of armored bombs. Organize false passages. To organize a service for detecting the approach of daish and suicide bombers at a considerable distance. I’m silent about the UAV. Small UAVs with cameras are sold in packs and are inexpensive.
    In the chaos of bulk obstacles and pits, create passages for the advancing troops and a tempting target for jihadists. These passages should be equipped with easily dismantled directional radio-explosive bombs, electric bombs (in the case of radio suppression) and targeted fire support.
    Create passages of such a configuration that it is convenient to shoot with tanks, and other means. At critical facilities, connect the UR77 with a calculated trajectory of ammunition laying along the course of a likely suicide bomber.
    In the practice of Ancient Rome, it was a law to end the day with a prepared camp with traps and hidden passages to the camp. Every day, after 30 or 40 km of march and fighting, the Roman legionary must prepare a camp, slopes, ditches, etc.
    The war by the Syrian army leaves much to be desired. The video daish speaks of terrible sloppiness and inexperience, and even about the nonsense of the Syrians and Iranians. Heroic deaths must be replaced by the routine of everyday military labor - the sense immediately appears. Heroism closes holes, incompetence, laziness, inexperience and cowardice of others.