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In Kiev, considered reasonable the idea of ​​diluting the opposing forces in the Donbass and the withdrawal of illegal formations from the ATO zone

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Illegal formations should be withdrawn from the Donbass, since their presence there complicates negotiations in Minsk, reports RIA News Statement by the Ukrainian representative in the subgroup on the security of the tripartite contact group Yevhen Marchuk.



Recently, in the anti-terrorist operation zone, four fighters of the Ukrainian formation "Ukrainian Volunteer Corps" (ALC) were killed, which so far has not been included in either the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the National Guard.

“Certainly (they need to be withdrawn) Even from the point of view of military discipline. At the previous meeting (in Minsk) I argued: we have only two structures on the front lines ... Here Ukraine will have to go on such a line that only the Armed Forces and the National Guard, ”Marchuk said.

The presence of such formations in the Donbass complicates the negotiation process.

“We had a problem about this in Minsk. It is used very effectively against us. The Ukrainian side, the military leadership officially declared that today there are only two structures on the front line - the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and behind them - the National Guard, the others are not. And suddenly such events. Therefore, it will have to work very seriously and in a political sense, not to mention the military administrations. I think it should be resolved as soon as possible, ”he said.

In addition, in Minsk, with the participation of the OSCE Head of OSCE in Ukraine, Alexander Hoog, it was possible to identify several areas in which the opposing forces would be bred.

“At the last meeting, almost reached an agreement on the withdrawal of the front line: in several areas to take the military to 1,5-2 kilometers from the front line, so as not to provoke all sorts of circumstances. Not only snipers, but when just watching goes ... Selected seven, but agreed to a few, did not reach seven, we will technologically finish at the next meeting. There is a hope that it will be possible at least in two or three areas to withdraw from the front line ",
told Marchuk.

According to him, Ukraine should not be allowed to resume full-scale hostilities. In this case, the Minsk agreements can be put a cross.

“This means that all heavy weapons, Point-U, Hyacinths, the largest caliber on a massive scale are returning to the front line, and a“ mess ”begins ... Imagine that we launched an offensive, all of our international partners will say goodbye ". And no one wants to deal with us for the future, for our behavior, ”said Marchuk.

He also noted that "there is no both diplomatic and military solution to the conflict in the Donbass, since the solution must be comprehensive."
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RIA News. Sergey Averin
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  1. grandfather
    grandfather 20 June 2016 10: 47
    +24
    Kiev and the mind, the concepts are not yet compatible.
    but hope dies last.
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 20 June 2016 10: 56
      +3
      Quote: bearded
      Kiev and the mind, the concepts are not yet compatible.
      but hope dies last.


      A banal dead end. They started shooting less, but it’s far from solving the problem. As a result, the case should end in the victory of one of the parties.
      1. cniza
        cniza 20 June 2016 11: 28
        +12
        At the last meeting, they practically reached an agreement on withdrawal along the front line: in several sections, take the military themselves 1,5-2 kilometers from the front line, so as not to provoke any circumstances.


        And then the APU begins to occupy this strip, there is no junta faith.
        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 20 June 2016 14: 39
          0
          here already slipped news that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are hammering "pravosekov" with art. Allegedly "accidentally". Certainly doubtful reliability, but who knows. The punishers played their part. If the number of contracting parties is reduced, then "the loot will defeat evil" (C) Now the brew is still too thick to allow a compromise to be found (IMHO)
          Py si https://topwar.ru/96935-dnr-podrazdeleniya-vsu-vedut-ogon-po-poziciyam-nacbatov-
          pytayas-vydavit-ih-iz-donbassa.html
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      3. Lelek
        Lelek 20 June 2016 19: 04
        +2
        Quote: tiredwithall
        They began to shoot less, but to solve the problem far


        It became easier for the patient - he began to breathe less often. The wiring must be carried out along the geographical borders of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions (in the past) and the Minsk treaty should be implemented point-by-point, only then there will be hope for a peaceful outcome. yes
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 20 June 2016 10: 57
      +18
      Illegal formations should be withdrawn from Donbass, since their presence there complicates negotiations in Minsk,

      All armed formations, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Gad, should be withdrawn from the Donbass, only in this case we can talk about something, but it is hard to believe in it, or rather not to believe at all.
    3. lemal200
      lemal200 20 June 2016 11: 02
      +4
      As for Kiev, hope has died forever.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 20 June 2016 11: 14
        +10
        Quote: lemal200
        As for Kiev, hope has died forever.

        The result will be only this .. !!! And no other way ...
    4. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 20 June 2016 20: 47
      0
      Hope dies penultimate! smile The last will die "Kiev".
  2. Taygerus
    Taygerus 20 June 2016 10: 53
    +3
    fool teach that dead cure
  3. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 20 June 2016 10: 54
    +5
    Apparently they gave the go-ahead from Fashington ...
  4. megafair
    megafair 20 June 2016 10: 55
    +3
    Is anyone else taking Kiev's statements seriously?
    1. Woland
      Woland 20 June 2016 11: 16
      +5
      Yes, there are. These are the leadership of the DPR-LPR and our leaders, nobody else. The people of the DPRILNR, judging by the video reports, do not care what kind of power, if only there was no war. The defenders of the republics, obeying orders, continue to "bravely not succumb to provocations." It seems that it is time for the leadership of the republics to either begin to liberate their land from any homosexual pravosek, or honestly tell their people. that this business is too tough for them and raise their legs up. Because a horrible end is better than an endless horror
      1. Iskander Sh
        Iskander Sh 20 June 2016 12: 08
        +2
        Quote: Woland
        leadership of the republics


        What does it have to do with it? They do not affect the development of events.

        Quote: Woland
        Because a terrible end is better than horror without an end


        Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria, Karabakh, another frozen conflict will simply be added to this list.

        PS I wanted to put a minus, but it turned out a plus sad
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 20 June 2016 13: 17
        +2
        Yes, there are. These are the leadership of the DPR-LPR and our leaders, nobody else. The people of the DPRILNR, judging by the video reports, do not care what kind of power, if only there was no war. The defenders of the republics, obeying orders, continue to "bravely not succumb to provocations." It seems that it is time for the leadership of the republics to either begin to liberate their land from any homosexual pravosek, or honestly tell their people. that this business is too tough for them and raise their legs up. Because a horrible end is better than an endless horror
        Only one question! And I will pretend that I myself do not know the answer to it.
        And why was all this necessary ??? !!! Russian spring, "Novorossia know where your homeland is", What is commonplace to divert attention from Crimea? Well, they distracted. They pulled all the "attention" to Donbass and its inhabitants. enjoys (Tatars, for example) enjoying a Russian passport, salaries and pensions for free. At the same time, they turn their noses around whether we want to be in Russia or not. ... Ah! Well, this is not Ossetia with Abkhazia. By the way, go to Abkhazia. There they love Russians! And oh, how safe on the streets laughing Business can be conducted as Abkhazians in Russia laughing Are they not disgusting themselves? Russians and Russians are playing in I do not recognize, but for anyhow someone is tearing their souls. It’s disgusting to look at this and pretend that this is a cunning plan. Ugh, and only. In 2014, Russia was wildly afraid of NATO! But there was the main excuse not to send troops to Donbass! But PMCs (private military companies) are easy. Why so many Russians were killed? Just so that Crimea would be untouchable. The Crimeans themselves are not sick of this thought? That behind their peace of mind, thousands of victims are laid. My aunt in Sevastopol is already crying from this delirium. You talk to ordinary people from the ATO zone on both sides! Third year of war! Third year! Yes, now the Russians had to rush to the Bender machine guns with the children, pick them up (machine guns) or I especially like to "squeeze" And drive the Bender to the west. Well, near Ilovaisk We drove the Russian PMCs (super pro)! And what? Stop there, come here Again a cunning plan ... his!
        P / S, and former militias and residents of the LPR and DPR are forced to buy work permits for money on common grounds. Can Russians be equalized with Donbass and Armenians in Russia at least ?! For starters? What would work for us without any permits work. And start issuing exactly at the request of Russian passports as Abkhazians.
        1. Iskander Sh
          Iskander Sh 20 June 2016 17: 04
          0
          At our place of work, a woman from Donetsk moved with her husband and children.

          Quote: Observer2014
          And start issuing exactly at the request of Russian passports as Abkhazians.


          They got passports without any problems.

          Quote: Observer2014
          Is it possible to level Russians in Russia from Donbass with Armenians at least ?! For starters ?!


          Her husband in Donetsk had a car workshop. In Russia, he also did not go to work for his uncle and opened some kind of business, I was not interested, but also something with a car, not the point. They didn’t want to live in the city, they bought a house in the country. They are probably Armenians.
          1. German Titov
            German Titov 20 June 2016 23: 46
            +1
            And I did not leave Donbass, and there is something to do here. Why nagging "all-talkers" (not about you, Iskander Sh). Friends in 2014 left for Russia (somewhere they are trying to work, who is on guard, who how), they received citizenship. Many are trying to return to Donetsk (to the beggars, new citizens of Russia) - they treat them coldly.
  5. Riv
    Riv 20 June 2016 10: 56
    +3
    Is it true that the statements of Ukrainian politicians are taken by anyone else seriously? Naive people ...
  6. Siberian
    Siberian 20 June 2016 10: 57
    +3
    And what's the point, then from these statements. The names of the armed formations will change, but the degenerates will remain the same. And they are led by the same bastards, on whose hands the blood of thousands of innocent people. angry
  7. Baloo
    Baloo 20 June 2016 11: 00
    +3
    Victims of the Maidan need only to think about it: some oligarchs hope to wring out someone else's business, others return their own. That’s the whole background. Cannon fat resists, does not want a meat grinder, and rightly so. Why would a simple Ukrainian die for other people's interests. Donbass chose his fate and this is the final decision.
  8. Altona
    Altona 20 June 2016 11: 00
    +2
    If the PEES are removed, then the "war in Donbass" will lose its meaning altogether. It turns out that Kiev is at war with the "armed opposition". Then we will ask questions, why is it possible to have an "armed opposition" in Syria? Is it impossible in Donbas? By their double standards, the Americans are bringing the situation to the next "Kosovo precedent," that is, to the complete destruction of international law. Why do they do this, it is not clear? Because in this way they also expose themselves.
  9. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 20 June 2016 11: 02
    +6
    What Kiev implies is not represented by this article!
    In Kiev, they decided to cheat, recognizing that the Ukrainian volunteer battalions, along with the military formations of the DPR and LPR, are illegal. Kiev will withdraw the PS, Azov and other rabble, and Moscow will have to force the DLNR to disband its formations of the people's militia. As a result of these manipulations, for the "return to the stall of the Outskirts" of the people of the southeast, the armed forces of Ukraine (APU), the National Guard (thugs transferred from the Dobrobats to these formations) and the Ukrainian Gestapo (SBU) will remain in the ATO zone, which will conquer, unconquered Donbass.
    If, about this, discussions begin in Minsk, then it will be, not just meanness .... functionaries and puppets will be washed off, but the people will be washed with blood!
    1. Altona
      Altona 20 June 2016 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Oh, what Kiev implies, this article does not represent!
      In Kiev, they decided to cheat, recognizing that the Ukrainian volunteer battalions, along with the military units of the DPR and LPR, are illegal. Kiev will withdraw PS, Azov and other rabble, and Moscow will have to force the DLNR to disband its formations of the people's militia.

      ---------------------
      I just cleared this trick, so we will declare the People's Militia of the LPR and the DPR Armed Forces as an "armed opposition", and let the Kuevlyan junta go through the forest.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 June 2016 11: 03
    +2
    You can translate all these statements like this: "It's not a penny at all, it’s worth wagging your tail. Throw a bone, and then you can see bude."
  11. Peasant
    Peasant 20 June 2016 11: 04
    +2
    Very interesting. Who will they, these illegal formations will withdraw from there? AND WHERE???? If only to be happy, burn tires and demand a pension. Not a country, but go for a walk.
  12. cte-power
    cte-power 20 June 2016 11: 04
    +3
    if the state loses its monopoly on violence - it is recognized as not held
    max weber
  13. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 20 June 2016 11: 08
    +1
    Kiev will not go beyond balobolstva and empty promises.
  14. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 20 June 2016 11: 27
    +1
    This means that all heavy weapons, "Tochki-U", "Hyacinths", the largest calibers on a massive scale return to the front line, and the "mess" begins ...
    Beautifully Marchuk said.
    Only "Tochka-U" and "Hyacinths" are such calibers that do not need to be in the immediate ATO zone at all. Or did he decide to remind everyone that Kuev still has them? Well, let's drag them into the ATO zone so that the militias would post them.
    Let's imagine that we have launched an offensive, all our international partners will say goodbye. And in the future, no one wants to deal with us for our behavior, ”Marchuk said.
    Reasonable reasoning. Only not everyone in Kuev is interested in them.
    For starters, at least in Parliament stop comedies with fist fights.
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 June 2016 11: 34
    +1
    nobody will want to deal with us for our behavior

    So already today some reasonable politicians who are not subject to terry Russophobia are not eager to deal with Kiev. And in Ukraine only now units begin to wake up and really look at things.
  16. masiya
    masiya 20 June 2016 11: 49
    0
    Something strange is happening ... the initial rudiments of the mind begin to appear a little bit in any way, although I honestly do not believe it ...
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 20 June 2016 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: masiya
      Something strange is happening ... the initial rudiments of the mind begin to appear a little bit in any way, although I honestly do not believe it ...

      Rather, the struggle of conditioned and unconditioned reflexes. (It seems to come to an agreement (from under the stick), and at the same time na ... b (and after all)).
  17. sergey2017
    sergey2017 20 June 2016 12: 00
    +1
    Quote: bearded
    Kiev and the mind, the concepts are not yet compatible.
    but hope dies last.

    What "Nadezhda-S"? What Marchuk is proposing was proposed long ago by Russia in Minsk! At the moment, in the suburbs of Donetsk, military sorties and shelling of large-caliber artillery from the APU continue, this is almost daily! Marchuk is trying to convince everyone of the existence of Ukrainian military formations leading military operations not controlled by Kiev! These statements are made in order to protect the Kiev authorities from involvement in military clashes in the zones of delimitation of the sides! This is clear to everyone!
  18. black
    black 20 June 2016 12: 10
    0
    Just once again snapped, and with shells - a shortage. So they began to agree.
  19. mvnmln
    mvnmln 20 June 2016 12: 31
    0
    Still to come. This is precisely the thought that worries me the most.
  20. Peasant
    Peasant 20 June 2016 12: 52
    +1
    Oh my God. Only two years have passed, they began to see clearly. I wonder what the "prisoner" Gadya will say to this initiative ???? Great question!
  21. atamankko
    atamankko 20 June 2016 13: 10
    0
    No one from the Kiev junta can be trusted, trepachki and thieves.
  22. Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 June 2016 16: 13
    0
    And how will they get divorced? Until their guys from LDNR are properly divorced, they will not calm down.
  23. izGOI
    izGOI 20 June 2016 21: 51
    +1
    Everyone, and the Armed Forces, and NG, and PS, and all the rest must be displayed outside the admin border of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Not LDNR, namely areas.