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And why in the northern capital there is no memorial plaque in honor of this Finn? Baker Daniel Kütinen

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After the news that a memorial plaque was opened in St. Petersburg in honor of the Nazi accomplice, who served in the Russian imperial army of Karl Mannerheim before the October Revolution, a heated debate began on the Web. One element of the discussion is related to the question: “Why is Mannerheim? Are there any other representatives of the Finnish ethnos whose bas-reliefs deserve to be on the memorial plates in the Northern capital ”.


One of these Russian Finns - Daniel Kutinen. This is a man of amazing fate, whose mourning crown was his death from starvation in besieged Leningrad. But in Leningrad thousands and thousands died of starvation during the Nazi blockade - why is Kutinen so historically interesting?

And why in the northern capital there is no memorial plaque in honor of this Finn? Baker Daniel Kütinen


The fact is that he worked as a Leningrad baker. Tens of thousands of loaves of bread passed through his hands, which he and his associates in besieged Leningrad fed the staunch residents of the city. And Daniel Ivanovich Kyutinen, suffering from an illness and not allowing himself to take a single superfluous crumb, died right at his workplace from starvation - in the Leningrad bakery, on 60-th year of 3 February 1942. The death certificate from 4 February 1942, the reason - dystrophy. He died, saving many other Leningraders. Is this not a feat?



The name of Daniil Kyutinen, a Finn by origin, is included in the memorial book of Leningrad blockade members. He is buried in the Shuvalovsky cemetery of the Northern capital.

In the liberal editions, at one time, materials began to spread that история About Daniel Kutinene - Soviet myth. However, from liberal publications, which are considered a myth almost the very victory of the Soviet people, nothing else can be expected.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 20 June 2016 07: 17
    +111
    Indeed, this is a great man and worthy of blessed memory!
    1. Comrade Schucher
      Comrade Schucher 20 June 2016 08: 44
      +49
      Quote: avvg
      Indeed, this is a great man and worthy of blessed memory!

      You are right, the key to everything is MEMORY.
      But what kind of memory and what this memory is about is the key to the future of our descendants.
      They will remember this Finnish uncle with a BIG heart - and a generation with such hearts will grow.
      And this little board with Mannerheim, a tiny episode in the colossal program to destroy the memory of Russia ...
      And enough episodes:
      Who was prevented by our cops that they were called police officers?
      Who was prevented by the Soviet education that they so hastily pushed the exam? ...

      Everything went from Misha-Judah and from Borka-drunk, and their roots are still strong in the Russian field.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 20 June 2016 09: 03
        +60
        Yesterday, June 19.06.2016, 3 in St. Petersburg, a memorial plaque to the Finnish military commander Karl Mannerheim was already doused with RED paint. This is the XNUMXrd day after its scandalous discovery.
        Local media report that this is the second attack on the memorial, which was established on June 16.
        The first desecration of the monument occurred a few hours after its opening. Attackers threw three cans of brilliant green at him.
        Cadets were forced to wash Mannerheim’s paint-dipped board.

        The police are looking for "vandals" in St. Petersburg.
        Ha! While REAL vandals are Russian politicians who sit openly in the government of the Russian Federation, the presidential administration and the Security Council of the Russian Federation without taking into account the opinions of the people, they trample on national security in the country, bluntly rocking the political situation inside Russia itself.
        Senior Russian officials say they timed a monument to Mannerheim on the 100th anniversary of his departure from service in Russia in 1917.
        And the fact that the authorities cynically shamefully installed a memorial plaque to Mannerheim just a week before the 75th anniversary of the treacherous attack of Hitler's Germany on the Soviet Union and the beginning of the Second World War! This is generally how to understand ??? Moreover, the Petersburgers, and the Russian people in general, remember whose ally Mannerheim was during the Second World War, as well as on which front the Finnish troops led by him fought. That it was the Finns of Mannerheim who closed the northern bypass of the blockade ring - and the 2 million civilians of Leningrad, the "noble Finnish knight", "the knight of the Order of St. George and St. George's arms" starved to death (!) On the orders of their German OWNERS.
        Yes, it’s true that Mannerheim, the Hitlerite accomplice who had already prepared a congratulatory order for the capture of Leningrad in 1941, was smart enough to be able to withdraw Finland from the USSR in the war in 1944, before the complete defeat of Hitler Germany, by a separate world from the USSR.
        And in May 1945, the same Mannerheim was forced to humiliate Stalin on the Victory over Hitler Germany and admire the exploits of the very army that defeated his troops.
        Probably, some unprincipled and cynical liberal leaders of our country should recall this more often.

        See the video from the scene.
        "In memory of the Russian general: a memorial plaque to Mannerheim was installed in St. Petersburg." Published: 16 June. Feb 2016
        1. WKS
          WKS 20 June 2016 09: 28
          -58%
          Vandalism, or rather Banderism to fight with monuments. Mannerheim was a famous and influential person, so why the bas-relief does not have the right to exist. In the memory of some he is bad in the memory of others is good. So let them argue and learn the lessons of History. How can one radically condemn people who lived in completely different times and other conditions? There you can’t change anything in the past even by dousing the bas-relief with paint, but you can study the past.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 20 June 2016 09: 40
            +55
            He was a famous and influential person, so why the bas-relief does not have the right to exist.
            Hitler was also a famous person, only Mr. Liberal, it was thanks to Mannerheim that thousands of blockades died, and there is no forgiveness for this!
            1. 97110
              97110 20 June 2016 14: 17
              -19%
              Quote: Gardamir
              thousands of blockades

              Do not press. MILLIONS!
              1. 97110
                97110 20 June 2016 15: 41
                +12
                2 million civilians of Leningrad "noble Finnish knight", "Knight of the Order of St. George and St. George's arms" starved to death

                Would like to see who is minus me? I lived in Leningrad long enough, served in Sertolovo-2, Osinovaya Roshcha and Garbolovo, to remember that the Americans had thousands. We, who are from the USSR and against the installation of memorial plaques to cannibals and murderers of old people, children and women, have enough brains and memory to distinguish between 2 and 000. Brain-sick products of the new Russian reality can continue to defend the usefulness of Mannerheim's deeds. I recommend watching the film "Battleship Potemkin". There are talentedly shown the fruits of the labors of all Mannerheims to educate personnel. Very impressive footage of throwing your spiritual mentors overboard. Look carefully!
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 20 June 2016 15: 43
                +2
                Do not press. MILLIONS

                from wiki
                Serafimovskoe cemetery was also a place of mass burial of Leningraders who died and died during the siege of Leningrad. In 1941-1944, more than 100 thousand people were buried here. The deceased were buried in almost all cemeteries of the city (Volkovsky, Krasnenky and others). During the battle of Leningrad, more people died than England and the United States lost during the war.
                1. 97110
                  97110 20 June 2016 18: 44
                  +4
                  Leonid, so thousands or millions? What are you referring to the wiki? The whole USA will fit in half of the Piskaryovka, and this is not 100. What are you squeezing? I am ashamed to show what the victory cost us? I referred above to Tatyana, giving her quote about 000 Leningraders. You are happy with something about 2 and blah blah.
                2. Stasweb
                  Stasweb 21 June 2016 02: 59
                  +1
                  Piskarevsky cemetery does not count?
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 21 June 2016 14: 13
                    +3
                    We also need to recall the brick factory in Leningrad, which was quickly converted into a crematorium during the WWII blockade, because there were no more places for mass graves in all cemeteries! The crematorium worked day and night without stopping.
                    After the war on this place and around it was laid "Victory Park", which became a favorite cultural recreation of the post-war townspeople. During the war, the sand and clay quarries of the plant turned into beautiful ponds.
                    In general, Leningraders tried not only to revive the city itself faster, to build it even more beautifully than it was before the war, but they also thought about the future. Leningraders who survived the blockade were very happy to see young mothers in the city with newborn babies in their arms. That the city’s population is again emerging and multiplying!
                    Therefore, it was decided not to arrange another memorial cemetery complex here, especially since there was only ashes from cremation here, and to turn our eyes into a bright, happy, peaceful post-war future. The people were happy that they had won and survived and that the peaceful life was going on!
                    Now there is a temple in the park on the site of the plant in memory of those killed during the Second World War. Believers can come to pray in memory of the departed, etc.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 21 June 2016 15: 07
                      0
                      The number of cremated corpses at a brick factory in Leningrad can be judged, for example, from the report of the Funeral Case trust from March 16 to December 1, 1942.
                      On two kilns of a brick factory, the capacity of cremation of the corpses of the plant reached up to about 30 thousand / month.
                      According to the report of the Funeral Case Trust - “On March 16, 1942, the crematorium accepted and successfully cremated the first 150 corpses, and on March 29, it increased the throughput to 880 dead bodies, on April 18, 1942, he cremated 1425 corpses per day, working already on two stoves. In April, 22 corpses were cremated in total; in May, 861 corpses, ... ”(p. 29). From the beginning of the crematorium’s work in March 764, “until December 333, 1942 corpses were cremated ... (TsGA SPb ,, f.1, op.117, d.300, l.2076. Original)” (p.4).
                      See - http://hrampobeda.ru/content/ekskursiya-po-memorialnoy-zone-parka-pobedy

                      Presumably, more than 600 thousand dead bodies were burned at the brick factory.
              3. Sinbad
                Sinbad 22 June 2016 00: 56
                0
                Whatever you minus, express yourself, please, more respectfully to the memory of the victims.
                1. 97110
                  97110 22 June 2016 10: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Sinbad
                  Whatever you minus, express yourself, please, more respectfully to the memory of the victims.

                  Your brace. Who was addressed to? Is it possible explicitly, well, at least as I am to you? If this is the answer to my question, then where did you see disrespect for the victims of the blockade? Or are you worried about the peacefully departed Karl?
          2. vovanpain
            vovanpain 20 June 2016 10: 08
            +28
            Quote: wks
            Mannerheim was a famous and influential person, so why there is no right to exist bas-relief

            It has the full right to have this bas-relief in Piskarevsky cemetery, where I once took the oath and where from memorial burials, after 32 years I feel terrible how many Leningraders died and the fault of this famous and influential person, and you can also establish a bas-relief in Karelia, where this famous and influential person left his bloody trail.
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 20 June 2016 10: 59
              -24%
              During the blockade of Leningrad, not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad. Not a single German soldier was allowed on the Soviet-Finnish border, although there were such requests from Hitler. Finland only formally fought with the USSR. And since 1944, she did not even formally participate. And this is thanks to Mannerheim. The truth was not on his part and humanitarian caravans. But politics is the art of the possible.
              1. Stas57
                Stas57 20 June 2016 11: 03
                +22
                During the blockade of Leningrad, not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad. Not a single German soldier was allowed on the Soviet-Finnish border, although there were such requests from Hitler. Finland only formally fought with the USSR. And since 1944, she did not even formally participate. And this is thanks to Mannerheim. The truth was not on his part and humanitarian caravans. But politics is the art of the possible.

                Well, the truth still staged the Russian genocide in the occupied territory, but this is nonsense, right?

                as well as nonsense that even before the start of Barbarossa, German ships were in Finnish ports, German planes were at Finnish airfields (for example, 1./KGr. 806 - Malmi (Finland) 22.6.-7.41), and Finnish divisions in the north of the country were subordinated to the Germans.
                1. azkolt
                  azkolt 20 June 2016 16: 53
                  +1
                  The fact that the ports were German ships. and at the airfields, German planes are to blame for our leaders! After the occupation of Norway F, Finland found itself in a blockade, its former course was towards Great Britain, and at that moment it was necessary to support it, although it is clear that it is difficult after the Finnish war. The attempt to make peace on June 23, 1941 was already late, they themselves threw the Finns into the hands of the Germans. That's how gentlemen! But the Fiins did not take part in the storming of Leningrad, despite the requests of the Germans, but led an offensive bypassing Ladoga, but to take part, it is not clear how it would all end! And all this thanks to Karl Gustav Mannerheim !!!
              2. larand
                larand 20 June 2016 12: 09
                +17
                Quote: Mahmut
                During the blockade of Leningrad, not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad. Not a single German soldier was allowed on the Soviet-Finnish border

                Well, of course, it’s so humane not to shoot, but to starve. And most importantly economically, spending is zero, and the enemy’s population is dying.
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 20 June 2016 13: 53
                  -22%
                  Well, you yourself came up with the ideas of liberoids. It was necessary to give up and not torment yourself with hunger. Finland did not torment anyone with hunger. Formally participating in the war, she actually maintained neutrality. If Finland had frankly sent the Germans at that time to three characters, then the Germans would have captured it and nothing would have saved Leningrad from being captured. But there would be no famine and blockade. And the Germans would send all the forces diverted to the blockade of Leningrad to Moscow. And then Moscow would not have been saved. I understand that Stalin had very good reasons for attacking Finland. But these reasons do not deny the fact of aggression against the Finns. And in that situation, the Finns behaved extremely friendly. In modern conditions, Lukashenko will behave much worse than Mannerheim. More than sure.
                  1. Weyland
                    Weyland 22 June 2016 02: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    If Finland had frankly sent the Germans at the time with three characters, then the Germans would have captured it


                    Ha-ha-ha! laughing We could not capture it, having a long land border, and how would the Germans have captured it? Via Norway? Or amphibious assault? They really needed to open another front! fool
                  2. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 22 June 2016 14: 24
                    +2
                    And you ask how they kept our captives, and how many of ours died in Finnish captivity. They began to feed the prisoners at least a little only in 1943, when the Finns realized that a turning point had occurred in the war, and they would have to answer. And in general, I think that Finland got off very easily according to the results of the Second World War. The fact that Mannerheim led Finland out of the war in 1944 does not mean goodwill, it just smells fried.
                  3. shed
                    shed 22 June 2016 17: 11
                    -1
                    Muhmud, it’s not for you to judge Lukashenko, the level is not the same, I don’t live in Belarus here, but I haven’t been a traitor yet. But people like you, either by perplexity or by order of an American, spoil the air
              3. reservist
                reservist 20 June 2016 12: 16
                +3
                Quote: Mahmut
                During the blockade of Leningrad, not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad.

                But did the Finns manage to get close enough?
                1. reservist
                  reservist 20 June 2016 16: 50
                  0
                  about 30 km on the map
                  did Mannerheim have artillery capable of firing at such a distance?
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 20 June 2016 17: 22
                    +3
                    Quote: reservist
                    about 30 km on the map
                    did Mannerheim have artillery capable of firing at such a distance?

                    Theoretically it was - I’m waiting for TM-3-12 restored by the Finns. The Finns even carried out experienced firing, managing to send the shell as much as 50 km.

                    The problem is that for firing it was necessary not only one gun, but the whole set of battery (including the SUAO). But the Finns TM-3-12 battery was not put into operation until the end of the war.

                    The second problem was that TM-3-12 had a long time of folding-deploying and demanded for themselves an extremely atypical for conventional railway infrastructure - a railway "mustache". I do not consider shooting from the platforms - it would take even longer to roll up there. And for firing at the city, the positions of the huge waiters would have to be moved 15-20 km to the front line, which made them vulnerable not only to the Red Banner Baltic Fleet guns (the same TM-1-180), but also to conventional army A-19s.
                    1. reservist
                      reservist 20 June 2016 19: 23
                      +3
                      so this is what we’re talking about ... and the phrase "not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad" can continue "because there was simply nothing to shoot the Finns from behind Sestroretsk in Leningrad"
                2. faiver
                  faiver 20 June 2016 17: 12
                  0
                  Well, long-range could get
                  1. reservist
                    reservist 20 June 2016 19: 17
                    0
                    and what types of long-range guns were the Finns?
                    1. faiver
                      faiver 20 June 2016 20: 06
                      0
                      To begin with, our tm-1-180 railway installations, since imperial times a bunch of large-caliber artillery remained, since for the most part these guns were stationary coastal batteries, the Germans threw something to the Finns, the French, the British, so there were all kinds of creatures in pairs.
                      1. reservist
                        reservist 20 June 2016 21: 02
                        +1
                        and what of this was in service in 1941 and could be transferred to positions near Sestroretsk, without the risk of being destroyed by return fire?
              4. CONTROL
                CONTROL 20 June 2016 13: 26
                +8
                Quote: Mahmut
                During the blockade of Leningrad, not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad. Not a single German soldier was allowed on the Soviet-Finnish border, although there were such requests from Hitler. Finland only formally fought with the USSR. And since 1944, she did not even formally participate. And this is thanks to Mannerheim. The truth was not on his part and humanitarian caravans. But politics is the art of the possible.

                Tell this to the Leningraders - if there are still living soldiers defending the Soviet islands in the Gulf of Finland and Lake Ladoga! They would tell how - until the 45th! - Finnish saboteurs were caught there ...
              5. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 20 June 2016 13: 56
                +9
                Quote: Mahmut
                During the blockade of Leningrad, not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad.

                Just Finnish army artillery did not reach the city. And the captured TM-1-180 (from Hanko and captured on the Karelian Isthmus) with the Finns were engaged in counter-battery combat.
                From autumn - winter 1941 - 1942, the 1st railway battery was already quite actively involved in military operations against the Red Army in the western part of the Karelian Isthmus, on the section of the road Vyborg - Koivisto (Primorsk) - Teriyoki (Zelenogorsk). The firing positions of the battery were equipped at Anttonal (Green Grove), on the 12,5-kilometer artillery branch of Yappil (4 kilometers north of Anttonal) - Seyvaste (on the coast of the Gulf of Finland, 8 kilometers west of Anttonal), which is specially for the same artillery transporters was built by Soviet railway workers after occupying this territory in the "Winter" war. For such military purposes, a large number of branches from the railways were built on the Karelian Isthmus and the Finns.
                In November - December, the first two combat attacks on the positions of the Soviet troops were carried out. In particular, on December 28, 1941, 8 shots were fired at Fort Reef. In both cases, Soviet artillery fired back at the battery.
                On May 1942, 1, apparently, as a mocking gift to the Red Army for the "International Day of All Workers", the 27st railway battery sent 1942 shells to the fort "Reef" occupied by Soviet troops. According to Finnish artillerymen, "the shooting went especially well." In the following days of May, as well as in June XNUMX, the shelling of Soviet positions was continued.

                It’s our happiness that the Finns were waiting for the TM-3-12 battery only by 1944. But the Finns managed to bring their firing range to 50 km.
                Quote: Mahmut
                Not a single German soldier was allowed on the Soviet-Finnish border, although there were such requests from Hitler.

                Seriously? And where did the 169 German Infantry Division and the SS "Nord" Division appear on the Soviet-Finnish border in the Salla-Alakurti area then?
              6. 97110
                97110 20 June 2016 14: 24
                +4
                Quote: Mahmut
                During the blockade of Leningrad, not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad.

                Are you seriously? Why are you so gullible? Think of something else about Hitler’s humanity. Well, like Soviet collaborators did all kinds of atrocities, but the Germans held their hands and did not hold them. Shame on you, Mr. Marshal ...
              7. Serg koma
                Serg koma 20 June 2016 14: 53
                +4
                Quote: Mahmut
                Not a single German soldier was allowed on the Soviet-Finnish border, although there were such requests from Hitler. Finland only formally fought with the USSR.

                Answer "FORMALIST"
                On July 1, 1941, the 36th Army Corps of the Wehrmacht began military operations in the Kandalaksha direction in order to cut the railway. communication of the city of Murmansk with the central part of the country.
                The 36th Army Corps of the Wehrmacht included: 169 mountain infantry. division, 6 and 7 motorized regiments "SS" of the "Nord" group, as well as 6 light Finnish infantry division (12, 33, 53 infantry regiments) and attached 324 infantry regiment from the 163rd infantry. divisions.

                Before carrying nonsense, sucked out of the brain inflamed by liberals - at least A LITTLE, at least superficially, refer to historical documents, evidence, but simply open "Yandex / Google Pictures" !!!
                1. azkolt
                  azkolt 20 June 2016 16: 59
                  +1
                  The Finns fought in other areas, but would try not to fight! And in my strength were German soldiers, by the way, very angry with the Russians after the Finnish war, meaner than the Germans themselves. The question is different, that Mannerheim refused to take part in the storming of the city, and how it now seems to have saved him! And take care of your minuses gorlopany, I sneeze at them)))), I, unlike you here in e
                  these toys do not play!)))))
                2. shed
                  shed 22 June 2016 17: 19
                  0
                  Bravo is educated people, of course, young people will not look for documents of the war years, but who needs to write in the topic, at least someone will read it. Thank you.
              8. reservist
                reservist 20 June 2016 17: 35
                +1
                Quote: Mahmut
                Not a single German soldier was allowed on the Soviet-Finnish border, although there were such requests from Hitler.

                And with whom then did the Finns fight from September 1944 to April 1945 (Lapland War)?
              9. Ded_smerch
                Ded_smerch 21 June 2016 09: 22
                0
                and nothing that on the road of life the Finns shot more than the Germans? And why didn't the Finns have a normal supply road, which caused the famine in Leningrad? Found the "heroes" to swing into the swing!
              10. Weyland
                Weyland 22 June 2016 02: 33
                -1
                Quote: Mahmut
                Finland only formally fought with the USSR.


                Yeah ... only Leningrad blocked from the north, pure formality! fool
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 22 June 2016 04: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Weyland
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  Finland only formally fought with the USSR.
                  Yeah ... only Leningrad blocked from the north, pure formality! fool

                  But tell me - from whom is Finland "blocking Leningrad from the north"?

                  Is it not on my own? Here is the map:
          3. tags
            tags 20 June 2016 10: 59
            +8
            it was enough just to remove this commemorative plaque!
            1. Serg koma
              Serg koma 20 June 2016 14: 58
              +5
              On this "board" you can constantly "launder" money by laundering the board laughing
          4. Homo
            Homo 20 June 2016 11: 50
            +8
            Quote: wks
            Mannerheim was a famous and influential person, so why the bas-relief does not have the right to exist.

            And Vlasov? Based on your logic, he is worthy. belay
            1. Ded_smerch
              Ded_smerch 21 June 2016 09: 28
              -1
              Krasnov is also a well-known person, uncle probably also wants to open an official monument to him
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 23 June 2016 13: 09
                -1
                Quote: Ded_smerch
                Krasnov is also a well-known person, uncle probably also wants to open an official monument to him

                - And you can put your Wishlist (thinkers) into you .. well, you probably understood fool
                1. Ded_smerch
                  Ded_smerch 24 June 2016 11: 23
                  0
                  fool, tried to read in the context of messages or lick, would bark?!?!?!? [hand face]
                  do you know the word sarcasm?
          5. reservist
            reservist 20 June 2016 12: 33
            +14
            Quote: wks
            Vandalism, or rather Banderism to fight with monuments.

            Then why not restore the monument to the founder of the city of Grozny?
          6. 97110
            97110 20 June 2016 14: 17
            +9
            Quote: wks
            in the memory of others is good.

            What is it (a completely bad word) that one must be in order to remember Mannerheim as good? Everything is clear, we have capitalism now. And successful is the one who showed a higher percentage of return on capital for the reporting period. If at the same time some died, then he condoled. Nothing personal, just business. Yeah guys. Your brains will be cleaned. Those whom you idolize, even nail boards on the walls in LENINGRAD. Hoping to get more work done?
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 20 June 2016 20: 33
              0
              Well, if the Romanian king was awarded the Order of Victory, what can I say. Compared to the Romanians, the Finns in that war were like scouts.
              Romanians, by the way, at first from the order of pebbles individually picked and sold, and then the order itself - by weight. But this info is unconfirmed.
          7. Serg koma
            Serg koma 20 June 2016 14: 30
            +9
            Quote: wks
            Mannerheim was a famous and influential person,

            Following your logic. Must be bas-reliefs and "friends-allies", because they are also "famous and influential personalities" who made their name in the HISTORY of OUR Motherland, for example this one (pictured on the left), which, unlike Karl, who blocked Leningrad from the north, the opposite side. And in general, only "thanks" to THESE personalities Leningrad became a city - a Hero, without them it would never have received such a great title, and there would be no memorials, the Piskarevsky cemetery, for example, a simple inscription "Citizens! During shelling, this side of the street is the most dangerous "would not appear ...

            Something completely liberals began to "confuse the banks"
          8. avt
            avt 20 June 2016 18: 08
            +3
            Quote: wks
            and. Mannerheim was a famous and influential person, so why the bas-relief does not have the right to exist. In the memory of some he is bad in the memory of others is good.

            The Rosenberg case lives on and ..... wins. request And we also have really stupid historians who are surprised at the fact that his department for the Eastern territories worked until the capture of Berlin in 1945! Well, I’m sprouting seeds! The next St. Petersburg will establish a memorial plaque to Vlasov? Well, he didn’t immediately merge with the Germans, and according to Igor Chubais’s new research, he broke through the head of the Second shock to Leningrad in order to ... wassat About what actually the little book Igoryok co-authored in Gavrilka Popov published.
            1. shed
              shed 22 June 2016 17: 26
              0
              I watched the program where this figure spoke, how should one hate Russia? and he doesn’t live in the country of democracy in America, there he would have long been cut off his eggs
          9. Rastas
            Rastas 20 June 2016 18: 53
            +2
            Yes, Mannerheim served in the Russian army. Well done, of course. But Krasnov and Shkuro also served, Vlasov was a participant in the battle for Moscow. Also put memorial boards to them? Or in France, Marshal Petain is considered a traitor, despite the fact that he was the hero of the battle of Verdun.
          10. igoryok1984
            igoryok1984 20 June 2016 22: 23
            +1
            Adolf Hitler, too, was once a famous and influential person. In the memory of the Nazis, he is the great Fuhrer, in the memory of the rest he is a criminal and executioner of millions of people. By your logic, you can’t condemn him, take down the monuments to him. After all, this is radical.
          11. Stasweb
            Stasweb 21 June 2016 02: 57
            +1
            Commemorative plaques to Kerensky, Vlasov and other "servants" of Russia may soon appear with the same success.
          12. Benjamin 48
            Benjamin 48 21 June 2016 11: 29
            0
            Quote: wks
            Mannerheim was a famous and influential person, so why the bas-relief does not have the right to exist.

            There are thousands of famous influential personalities. So - all of them open bas-reliefs?
            The activities of Mr. Mannerheim during the Second World War cancels out all his past services to Russia! Moreover, on his conscience the death of 2 million blockades. And after all this, they establish a bas-relief for him ???
          13. Turkir
            Turkir 22 June 2016 00: 27
            +1
            The installation of a "memorial" table for Mannerheim is a spit on those killed in the Finnish campaign. My father fought there, was wounded twice.
            Your thoughts on this topic are intellectual vandalism.
          14. shed
            shed 22 June 2016 17: 02
            0
            maybe you should put signs on to everyone who fucked up in the history of Russia, starting ... at least from Mazepa, I’m not very far-sighted, I’m waiting for the tablet to appear to Vlasov and other bastards, because even Denikin refused to cooperate with the Nazis, and many others though hated advice
        2. Altona
          Altona 20 June 2016 10: 18
          0
          Quote: Tatiana
          Cadets were forced to wash Mannerheim’s paint-dipped board.

          -------------------
          He is on this board and does not look like himself, he was a nosy, awkward and stooped.
        3. Dmitriy66
          Dmitriy66 20 June 2016 10: 40
          +3
          they didn’t force the cadets to launder this speculation; the local housing department was wiping it.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 20 June 2016 20: 56
            +2
            Quote: Dmitriy66
            they didn’t force the cadets to launder this speculation; the local housing department was wiping it.

            The commemorative plaque itself, installed three days ago in honor of the general of the Russian army and the Finnish president, is covered with a piece of polyethylene. Passers-by encourage the cadets and also ask them rhetorical questions: “Why didn’t you guys save the board?”
            Cadets are not very happy with their attention to themselves. Nevertheless, they explained that their task was to clean the facade of the building. They do not plan to wash the commemorative plaque yet. There was no such order. Apparently, the restoration of the bas-relief will be carried out by specialists of the Museum of Urban Sculpture.
        4. 97110
          97110 20 June 2016 14: 08
          +7
          Quote: Tatiana
          stupidly rocking the political situation within Russia itself.

          Dear Tatyana. I'd like to agree with you. But ... they are not stupid. Our President just recently publicly expressed surprise, quite rightly, as 200 Russians plunged several THOUSAND English hooligans into fear and horror. And here it’s not stupid rocking, but reconnaissance in battle, checking our reaction. Suddenly coughing. Yesterday and the second day offtopic in the material about Erdogan was a dispute of supporters of perpetuating the memory of the savior of Leningrad residents from starvation and, accordingly, opponents. We were informed that only thanks to the mannerheim was the Road of Life, and that he personally resisted Hitler and did not allow him to close the blockade ring. Take a look if you have not seen. You will be very surprised by the number of pluses and defenders of this - I do not know what to call it. Well, not nonsense, for sure. We are not attacked by dumbheads. They are very smart, these creatures. Even ukrov, an ancient civilization, was convinced that they had dug the sea and poured Chechnya. To swear ... annoy, of course. But they didn’t enter that the Muscovites were ancient.
        5. Benjamin 48
          Benjamin 48 21 June 2016 11: 24
          0
          Tatyana, I agree with you completely!
          Do not add, do not turn down ...
          Thanks for the truthful comment!
      2. Now we are free
        Now we are free 20 June 2016 09: 34
        +30
        In this case, I hope not the Federal but the St. Petersburg (city) authorities have been given a very good chance to correct the "Annoying misunderstanding." Just CHANGE LABEL from Mannerheim to Küthenen. And wash away the spit in memory of the 500 thousand dead blockade of Leningrad, the soldiers of the Red Army who died on the Mannerheim Line, the prisoners who died in the Finnish concentration camps + The Finns will not have ANY QUESTIONS (Finn was changed to OUR Finn).

        PS
        The very trend with the installation of monuments / plaques to such people as Mannerheim and others like him is very short-sighted ... Yes, he was an excellent officer of the Russian army, BUT, what this "Personality" began to do after 1917 ... Gentlemen, then let us install plaques for such individuals as: Model, Guderian, Brauchitsch, Horn, Cruz, Fayge, Goering Keitel, Manstein, Kretschmer. And what? THEY ALL PASSED TRAINING IN THE USSR, their stupendous leadership abilities (which did not help them in the end) can not be recognized only by a stupid person, so why are there still no memorial tablets in Kazan, Moscow and Lipetsk ???
        Guys are driving the wrong way, wrong way ... You need to chant in memory such guys as Kutenen Danil Ivanovich or the memory of those Germans who, together with the Russians, defeated the Crimean Khan Devlet I Girey at the Battle of Molody (undeservedly forgotten battle 1572)
        and those who saved only the young Russian state rising on the wing zarkarkiv German blood Russian land, but destroyed the Krymchaks almost completely.
        The memory must be perpetuated ABOUT HEROES and dubious persons (dubious by the way orientation) with dubious exploits under dubious swastika (though Finnish) are short-sighted, vile and fraught ...
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 20 June 2016 09: 59
          +1
          Quote: Now we are free
          Model, Guderian, Brauchitsch, Horn, Cruz, Fayge, Goering Keitel, Manstein, Kretschmer. And what? THEY ALL PASSED TRAINING IN THE USSR,

          But what did Manstein, Model, Guderian and Goering learn in the USSR?
          for example, Goering, on November 9, 1923, was wounded during the "beer putsch", was wanted by the police, hid until 27 in Austria, became addicted to morphine and ended up in a durk. From 27 to 33 an active political career in Berlin.
          Well, tell me when he studied in the USSR?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 20 June 2016 10: 40
            +4
            Now we are free
            500 thousand dead blockades of Leningrad, soldiers of the Red Army who died on the Mannerheim Line, prisoners of the dead in Finnish concentration camps

            REFERENCE.
            Roughly over the years of the siege of Leningrad among the civilian population, according to various sources, from 400 thousand to 1,5 million people died. So, at the Nuremberg trials figured the number of 632 thousand people. Only 3% of them died from bombing and shelling; the remaining 97% died of starvation.
            However, according to recent studies, approximately 780 Leningraders died in the first, most difficult year of the blockade.
            See - https://otvet.mail.ru/question/36498029
          2. starochkin77
            starochkin77 20 June 2016 13: 45
            +4
            Goering was never in the USSR and never studied at Lipitsky Aviation School, Goering was there according to the lists, but Goering's surname in pre-war Germany was as common as Ivanov, Petrov and Sidorov, especially since the best were sent to Lipitsk from Reichswehr, and after a beer coup as Goering got shot he became a moron addict morphist. Another myth about Guderian that he was studying at the Kazan Tank School in Guderian was really in Kazan, but not as a cadet-schoolboy, but as an inspector, to familiarize himself with the educational process, how German cadets study. By the time he arrived, he was already, a man with a name published several works on the role of army mechanization in a future war. hi
          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 20 June 2016 21: 03
            0
            Quote: Stas57
            Well, tell me when he studied in the USSR?

            Yuri Tikhonov, doctor of historical sciences, teacher of Leningrad State Pedagogical University, worked on a book about the activities of the Soviet-German flight school in Lipetsk for about 20 years. He collected the memories of Lipskans who were civilian employees at the school, studied archival documents declassified by the FSB, and the diaries of German pilots. But I did not find information about Hermann Goering's stay in Lipetsk.
            - The fact that Reichsmarshal Goering was trained in Lipetsk, that he had love here and had illegitimate children is speculation of pure water. Unfortunately, this myth was widespread in Lipetsk itself and spread throughout Russia. In Lipetsk, many cadets studied. Among them were many namesakes. The chief engineer Koch served in Lipetsk. Well, at least he was not connected with the executioner of Poland Erich Koch. For a short while, the Lipetsk Ernst Bormann, who built the airfield, training and residential buildings in the military town, was “confused” with Martin Bormann, the partygenoss. But the photographs of Ernst Bormann were preserved, when comparing them with another Bormann, it is clear that these are different people, ”Tikhonov commented.
            The emergence of the myth of the stay of Hermann Goering in Lipetsk, Tikhonov connects with the incident that occurred in Spain in 1936. Soviet pilots shot down the German pilot Captain Luftwaffe, who, as it turned out, was undergoing secret training, knew the Russian language and whose name was Herbetus Goering. According to Tikhonov, 90% of this training was a German pilot in Lipetsk.
            - It turns out that we still had some Goering. The people I contacted and who worked at school say that Goering was trained in 1929, but this pilot was tall and thin. Hermann Goering was already a fat man.
        2. Slavin
          Slavin 20 June 2016 10: 22
          +3
          The fact of the matter is that the authorities can’t recognize their decisions as erroneous, they don’t have a back, they are flawless, well, in a pinch they will find a scapegoat, in the last resort, and as usual they will turn off the silence with other microphones: silence is a team game
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        4. Senior manager
          Senior manager 20 June 2016 11: 24
          -13%
          I apologize a little, Iosif Vissarionych also touched human lives, mom, do not grieve. According to your classification, he is a dubious person. However, Stalin revived the state and augmented it with territories. Mannerheim is far from an unambiguous personality and the consequences of his actions must still be weighed, and not to smear as liberals all "not ours" I will not say what. And the history must be KNOWED, not passed. A simple question - how many lives of Soviet soldiers did the marshal save by his inactive actions? History and personalities in it are not black and white, they are different, as are the opinions of all people, why splash boiling water and be the ultimate truth.
        5. CONTROL
          CONTROL 20 June 2016 13: 33
          +4
          Quote: Now we are free
          Gentlemen, let’s then set the tablets for such personalities as: Model, Guderian, Brauchitsch, Horn, Cruz, Fayge, Goering Keitel, Manstein, Kretschmer. And what? THEY ALL PASSED TRAINING IN THE USSR,

          Goering did not study in the USSR.
        6. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 20 June 2016 15: 32
          +5
          Quote: Now we are free
          Just CHANGE THE LABEL from Mannerheim to Kütenen.

          or maybe just throw it off and hang a tablet? With the text that it was a DECENT man. Not in word, but in deed? Petersburgers-ay! Who will take the price? 40x70 cm, and only 4 screws to screw in.
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      4. Altona
        Altona 20 June 2016 10: 25
        +13
        Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
        And this little board with Mannerheim, a tiny episode in the colossal program to destroy the memory of Russia ...

        --------------------
        Konstantin Semin said: "And if someone breaks the board? Then why will they be judged? He will say that he smashed the board to an accomplice of the Nazis. To the man who fought the war in the Russian North." Mr. Medinsky worked according to the "what you please" principle, although in his books about 4 years ago he wrote the opposite. Therefore, if in the rain the opposition liberals ask "Was it necessary to keep Leningrad?", The authorities have already answered them in plain text: "Don't!"
      5. Serg koma
        Serg koma 20 June 2016 15: 18
        +3
        Quote: Comrade SCHUKHER
        Everything went from Misha-Judah and from Borka-drunk, and their roots are still strong in the Russian field.

        Motor-Roller - Brest Fortress (Multvideo) / By Reichstag itself, 2015 /
        Published: May 7 2016
      6. shed
        shed 22 June 2016 16: 55
        0
        Well, he narrowed the Russian Empire. General. And maybe Vlasov’s tablet, also served as a general, disgusting.
    2. derik1970
      derik1970 20 June 2016 21: 22
      +1
      I agree with you. And what shall we do? Will we vote against and will the Mannerheim plate remain in its place? They drove away the top command, officials executed it. They will also order gays with a lesbian in their arms, as it is not sad. That the partisans will go resistance to organize ... strongly doubt it! Kadyrov Bridge, Mannerheim Museum, Porzenko Cafe ...
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 20 June 2016 23: 54
        +4
        And there are so many smart people here! There are probably lawyers. Well, you can somehow still take some measures so that the opinion of the population is asked. Since such a controversial person, first you need to give detailed information about her, the opinions of historians, and then let the people express their attitude. They shot, didn't shoot ... I confess to an ugly act. Once in the early 80s I was in Leningrad on an excursion, I went to a cafe for a bite to eat, there were such eateries where you could eat while standing near such round high tables. It was delicious. I didn't calculate with bread - a piece remained. And out of school habit, a piece in half and into an empty coffee glass (so that they don't sell it a second time). Nearby was a woman, a young woman, 30-35 years old. She bent down and quietly said to me: "Girl, they don't do this in our city with bread, don't do it again, please." Believe me - as I remember, it's still a shame. It's one thing to read about all this, and another thing to understand that everyone remembers everything. And because of her age she could not live in the war. This is education. It is clear that even then there were enough different ones, especially now. But there are real Leningraders. Why not reckon with them?
    3. Shuttle
      Shuttle 21 June 2016 18: 23
      0
      Quote: avvg
      Indeed, this is a great man and worthy of blessed memory!

      The incredible feat of the Spirit. This is a real ascetic. Rest in peace!

      (And put a commemorative plaque! To know and remember.)
  2. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 20 June 2016 07: 24
    +30
    Granted, this person deserves more memory. Mannerheim was hanged because some political leaders ***, we no longer know how to bend over to the West.

    By the way, in honor of him it was possible to call the bridge.
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 20 June 2016 07: 39
      +26
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Granted, this person deserves more memory. Mannerheim was hanged because some political leaders ***, we no longer know how to bend over to the West.

      By the way, in honor of him it was possible to call the bridge.

      126 thousand 875 killed and died from the wounds of the Red Army ...
      This is on the conscience of the former citizen of the Russian Empire - Karl Gustav Emil Mannerheim negative
      These, as you called: "some political problems" are just rootless dogs, trampling the memory of the dead negative
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut 20 June 2016 08: 30
        -32%
        some political issues *** we don’t know how to bend to the West.

        Manneheim has merit to Russia, but no merit to the "West." The independence of Finland and the collapse of Russia were recognized by Lenin, not by Manneheim, but Ilyich is tolerated on the bas-reliefs and pedestals - this main terrorist and separatist. Neither Manneheim nor his soldiers ever set foot on Soviet soil, but only those faithful to the oath defended their homeland. The union of Finland with Germany was concluded not by Mannerheim, but by the Finnish authorities, Mannerheim was against such cooperation. And Mannerheim is also accused of creating a very reliable line of defense and therefore many Red Army soldiers died. That is, he showed extreme aggressiveness towards the Russians, almost like the Russians towards the Germans at Stalingrad. So, the main part of the losses in the Finnish war was due to frostbite. Everyone has forgotten the carelessness of the red commanders, but the fact that Manneheim did not send felt boots and warm mittens to the Red Army soldiers - we will not forget, we will not forgive. And Finland also took part in the blockade of Leningrad. But this is the correct accusation. Moreover, the war ended long ago, and Finland continues to participate. Within the same boundaries.
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet 20 June 2016 09: 25
          +18
          On November 26, 1939, the so-called “Mainil incident” occurred, the details of which historians still argue about. In the area of ​​the village of Mainil near the Soviet-Finnish border, a group of Soviet troops was bombarded by the Finnish side and suffered losses. The Soviet authorities turned to Finland with a very moderate note containing charges of shelling, and a call to withdraw troops from the border for 20 - 25 kilometers. The Finnish side in a harsh manner accused the USSR of provocation (self-shelling) and proposed to start negotiations on a "mutual" withdrawal of troops. The latter was, in principle, impossible, since the border of Leningrad partially coincided with the state border, and it was naturally impossible to expose the city. The Soviet side expressed indignation, both with the proposal itself and with the fact that Finland refused to admit its guilt. Two days later, the nonaggression pact with Finland was severed, and four days later, a war was quite difficult for the Soviet Union (albeit a victory). We will not describe in detail its course (much has been written and shot about this), we will dwell only on the results, and then we will move to the past, to its original premises.

          In March 1940, realizing that the war was lost, Finland requested peace negotiations, to which the USSR agreed. As a result of the negotiations, Finland transferred to the Soviet Union about 40 thousand square kilometers of territory in Karelia, Lapland, on the Rybachy and Sredny peninsulas. However, after a little more than a year, Finland “regained” these territories and seized new ones, becoming an ally of the Third Reich (Finns claimed all of Karelia and the entire Kola Peninsula, offering to establish their border along the Neva). Besides, Finland officially supported the destruction of Leningrad with the entire population, and took an active part in the implementation of this plan.(Of course, Monerheim has nothing to do with it !! ???) Despite the role of Finland in the crime against Leningrad and the detention of Soviet citizens in Finnish concentration camps, the USSR entered Finland after the Victory more than humanely, having actually returned to the 1940 borders.

          But were there lands annexed in 1940, and then for the second time - in 1944, originally Finnish? The question is quite curious. Complicating it is that until 1917, Finland was completely part of the Russian Empire (it was transferred to it by Sweden). In 1917, Soviet Russia granted Finland independence, to which the Finns responded with black ingratitude. In 1918, they claimed a number of native Russian lands and began aggression. As a result of the Red Army counterattack in 1919, part of the lands captured by Finland was liberated, but nevertheless in 1920, at the conclusion of the Tartu Peace, the Finns kept under their control a significant part of the annexed Russian territory: Western Karelia to the Sestra River, the Pecheneg region in the Arctic, parts of the peninsulas Fishing and Medium.

          In 1921 - 1922 there was a new aggression against the USSR, known as the Second Soviet-Finnish War (the First is the war of 1918 - 1920), but its results have not fundamentally changed anything - the lands annexed earlier remained with Finland, but she acquired nothing new.
          Moscow in 1938 did not even put forward any territorial requirements to Finland - it simply requested a series of guarantees in case of war with Germany. However, Finland did not give them.

          At the beginning of 1939, the Soviet Union leased the islands of Gogland, Laavansaari (now Powerful), Tyutyarsaari and Seskar, offering land in East Karelia as compensation. But these negotiations ended to no avail, which rather eloquently indicated how Finland would behave after the outbreak of the great war.
          1. gray smeet
            gray smeet 20 June 2016 09: 26
            +7
            In October 1939, the USSR invited Finland to conclude a pact of mutual assistance, but even here Moscow received a severe refusal.

            In October-November 1939, during negotiations, the Soviet Union invited the Finns to expand the non-aggression pact and exchange some territories. Moreover, in exchange for coastal lands of no value to Finland, she was offered a twice as large plot in Soviet Karelia!

            And again - failure. What Finland was preparing for became obvious.
            1. gray smeet
              gray smeet 20 June 2016 09: 46
              +7
              Quote: Mahmut
              So, the main part of the losses in the Finnish war was due to frostbite.


              My grandfather died near Vyborg, in the battle - the meat grinder was scary - this was my grandfather's fellow villager who told me - he returned, was with his grandfather in one battle, missed each other under fire for a minute ...

              Notice how the soldiers of the Red Army were dressed ...
          2. reservist
            reservist 20 June 2016 19: 38
            +1
            Quote: gray smeet
            In the area of ​​the village of Mainil near the Soviet-Finnish border, a group of Soviet troops was bombarded by the Finnish side and suffered losses.
        2. AlexTires
          AlexTires 20 June 2016 09: 38
          +17
          Quote: Mahmut
          And Mannerheim is also accused of creating a very reliable line of defense and that is why many Red Army soldiers died. That is, he showed extreme aggressiveness towards the Russians,

          If you want to understand why they’re cursing Mannerheim, then here http://www.x-libri.ru/elib/sulmn000/00000001.htm - the full electronic version of the book
          http://www.x-libri.ru/elib/zip/sulmn000.zip - скачать книгу
          And for completeness, you need to read Mannerheim’s correspondence with Hitler, in which the first, fearing big losses when attacking Leningrad, said that the city should be starved to death ... And those who accuse the Bolsheviks of disconnecting the Principality of Finland simply don’t know that V. AND. Lenin dragged on to the last with the final recognition of Finland as an independent state. Since there was the Guards and the Red Finns (they defeat them), they were not going to leave the RSFSR. But, unfortunately, the separatists (white Finns) won with the help of a German baton. Then there was a massacre of Russians and everyone else who is not a Finn and a Swede in Vyborg and the mustache. Likbez finished ....
          1. gray smeet
            gray smeet 20 June 2016 10: 01
            +15
            Installation of a board is a SHAME! Rewriting of history is going on in our country no less than in the west! I have no words, some interjections .. Really, I swear on what the light stands.
          2. Mahmut
            Mahmut 20 June 2016 10: 09
            -15%
            IN AND. Lenin dragged on to the last with the final recognition of Finland as an independent state. Since there was the Guards and the Red Finns (they defeat them), they were not going to leave the RSFSR.


            Lenin gave the Finns independence immediately, without delay or additional conditions. (see at least Soviet films) Mannerheim moved to Finland after its proclamation and secession. Then he, along with German troops, participated in the destruction of the Red Finns. That is, at that time (the civil war in Finland), Finland was already separated and recognized by the Bolsheviks, that is, the question of its separation, or non-separation, was no longer standing - as for educational program. To say that Lenin resisted something to the last there and did not want to become a separatist and did not want to seize power (he walked by, and she lies. She lies badly) is like trying to justify Yeltsin, who also at first promised everyone as much independence as they could take away , and then they kind of misunderstood him. You can’t wash a black male to white. All the evil that is committed against Russia is committed by politicians. And it was not Russian at all that Mannerheim, unlike the Russian Ruzsky and Alekseevs, did not betray either the big or small Motherland and did not violate the oath to either the Russian Tsar or the new Finnish state.
            1. AlexTires
              AlexTires 20 June 2016 10: 42
              +5
              even if Lenin recognized the Finns' independence, and Mannerheim did not betray the oath to either the Russian Tsar or the new Finnish state, it is impossible to justify other people's crimes with historical errors, if they take place, because they do not cancel responsibility in the massacre of Russians as combatants and non-combatants, and massacre in the truest sense of the word ...
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 June 2016 10: 00
          +7
          Quote: Mahmut
          Neither Manneheim nor his soldiers ever set foot on Soviet soil, but only the faithful oath defended their homeland.

          Did I miss something, and the territories of Russia to Svir (including Petrozavodsk) became Finnish land? wink
          Quote: Mahmut
          The alliance between Finland and Germany was concluded not by Mannerheim, but by the Finnish authorities, Mannerheim was against such cooperation.

          Yes, yes, yes ... bad boyars and a good governor.
          Who ordered the transfer of Finnish troops under German command a week before the German attack on the USSR?
          The decisive factor in planning the situation in northern Finland was the subordination of Finnish troops to the German command in Lapland. Formally, this document was “Order of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of 15.6.1941 "on subordination of the V AK to the command post of the headquarters of the army of Norway, located in Rovaniemi." But such an important decision should have been the consent of the country's top leadership. The order was recorded in the military journal V AK 16.6. at 13.00, or at the very moment when Colonel Buschenhagen, the chief of staff of the Norwegian army, had already arrived at the headquarters of Siilasvuo to give orders, according to a new order!

          Who allowed the German minzags and torpedo boats before the start of the war to use Finnish waters and Finnish bases for basing?
          The mother ship of the German flotilla 1.S (“Carl Peters”, 3600 tons), commanded by Lieutenant Commander Birnbacher, was ordered to arrive in Turku skerries on the morning of June 17, 1941, and to torpedo boats (S 26, S 39, S 40 , S 101, S 102, S 103) should have been on June 18 at a new base near Helsinki to carry out tasks according to the Barbaross plan. They docked at the pier in Suomenlinna at 3 hours and 50 minutes on June 18. As a result, six torpedo boats covered a distance of 512 nautical miles at a speed of 31 knots!
          The next day, Birnbacher, along with all the commanders of the torpedo boats, undertook a lengthy study tour to the island area near Porkkala. He was shown and two "secret fairway" to exit the skerries.
          The German flotilla 2.S was commanded by Lieutenant-Captain Petersen, her mother ship Tsingtau (2500 tons) raised anchors to go into Finnish waters on the morning of June 17, 1941. Torpedo boats (S 41, S 42, S 43, S 44, S 104 , S 105) departed at 14 p.m. and arrived at their destination on June 18, 1941. Two days later, four torpedo boats moored in Turku and loaded with mines to complete the tasks of Coburg and Gotha.
          Formed in Gothenhafen under the command of Captain Lieutenant Klug, the new 5.S flotilla, consisting of five torpedo boats and the Tanga mother ship, went to the Finnish skerries on June 17. The third group of ships consisted of the uterine ship Elbe and 12 minesweepers led by Captain Lieutenant Dobberstein. She left Emden (North Sea coast) on June 1 and arrived in Gotenhafen on June 9. The course to Finland was taken in the evening of June 15, 1941, in the waters of which the group split up and anchored respectively in Helsinki and near Turku.
        4. kotvov
          kotvov 20 June 2016 10: 18
          +4
          almost like Russians towards the Germans near Stalingrad. ,,
          I am very sorry that you will NEVER end up there. The Germans means they have tucked themselves into the steppes of Stalingrad with democracy, humanely killing soldiers and civilians, and the Red Army dared to destroy these, chosen ones, I hope you will never visit our land, covered with the blood of innocents .
        5. Stas57
          Stas57 20 June 2016 10: 41
          +11
          Quote: Mahmut
          Neither Manneheim nor his soldiers ever set foot on Soviet soil, but only the faithful oath defended their homeland.

          oh yes yes yes of course
  3. Bongo
    Bongo 20 June 2016 07: 24
    +19
    And why is there no memorial tablet in honor of this Finn in the Northern capital? Baker Daniil Kutenen

    Because for our current government, only in words that cares about the Russian people, the priorities are different. Hence the attempts to perpetuate the names of enemies - Kadyrov and Mannerheim. negative But who cares about the opinions of ordinary people?
    1. Blondy
      Blondy 20 June 2016 08: 09
      +16
      Quote: Bongo
      Because for our current government, only in words that cares about the Russian people, the priorities are different. Hence the attempts to perpetuate the names of enemies - Kadyrov and Mannerheim. But who cares about the opinions of ordinary people?

      But, incorrectly, there are methods to force the authorities to think about people. Why not put them into the current concept and start actively using them, then for sure, the greyhounds towards the people among the authorities will surely decrease. For example, to collect signatures in order to dismiss the initiators and those who have taken such curious decisions and not occupy posts related to public administration. They don’t understand - to picket without admitting to the workplace. It’s time for the elite to realize that the state, all the same, is us, and they were only entrusted to manage them, well, if concrete comrades do not justify trust, transfer it to others, more adequate.
  4. The black
    The black 20 June 2016 07: 26
    +12
    And why is there no memorial tablet in honor of this Finn in the Northern capital? Baker Daniil Kutenen
    But because the history books are written by the wrong people, oh the wrong people ....
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 20 June 2016 07: 32
      +10
      Quote: Black
      But because the history books are written by the wrong people, oh the wrong people ....

      Those who write textbooks, like the official "interpreters of history", are only fulfilling a political order.
      1. Woland
        Woland 20 June 2016 08: 10
        +11
        These, if I may say so, "writers" should simply be put up against the wall, because because of them our young people, when asked what the Holocaust is and say that this is wallpaper paste.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 June 2016 10: 08
      +6
      Quote: Black
      But because the history books are written by the wrong people, oh the wrong people ....

      Those people they won’t save either. For sometimes they change shoes in a jump - for example, Mr. M ... Dinsky, so recently praised by the patriots.
      Until recently, he wrote that:
      On August 1, 1941, the Finns reached the old Soviet-Finnish border near Leningrad, thereby closing the half-ring of the city’s blockade from the north. The blockade of Leningrad and the starvation of almost a million residents of the city became possible because the Finns closed their half of the ring.
      It was not an accident. Mannerheim did not conceal that the existence of Finland as an independent state depended on relations with the Germans; he was friends with the Third Reich not for fear, but for conscience.

      And last week - I opened the board to this very friend of the third reich.
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 20 June 2016 07: 29
    +10
    Hang up all worthy Leningraders with signs - there aren’t enough walls in St. Petersburg, there were too many of them.
    With Mannerheim, as with Kadyrov, the question is very complicated. On the one hand, the tsar lieutenant general, guardsman, teacher of the Academy of the General Staff (albeit equestrian, but you need talent there too), on the other - a consistent opponent of Soviet Russia (since there were half such people, the rest half simply did not know about the existence of Russia ) However, he actually did not let the Germans into Finland, the war was on its own with the technical support of Germany.
    With Kadyrov the same song, only in reverse order. But to call the name of the former separatist any object in a city far from its sphere of action is stupidity. For some reason, Sobyanin did not rename the Kashirskoye Shosse to Kadyrovskoye, he probably remembered what happened there a little less than 20 years ago, he foresaw the reaction of the survivors and their neighbors.
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 20 June 2016 07: 50
      +18
      Quote: inkass_98
      However, he actually did not let the Germans into Finland, the war was on its own with the technical support of Germany.

      Well, look !!! Another hero of the blockade of Leningrad !!! Good man, no strength !!! Maybe he also sent wagons with food? The people generally wander in assessments ... He did not show such activity, rather, because seeing the stalled blitzkrieg, already at the beginning of 1942 he realized that "this eternal neighbor" will survive, and when he starts moving to the West, it is better not to get "for distribution". As a career officer in the Russian army, he perfectly represented both the strength and weakness of the Russians. He just didn't want to be hanged in the square in Helsinki or Vyborg.
      1. brisk
        brisk 20 June 2016 09: 45
        -10%
        Quote: ARES623
        ARES623 Today, 07:50 ↑
        Quote: inkass_98
        However, he actually did not let the Germans into Finland, the war was on its own with the technical support of Germany.
        Well, look !!! Another hero of the blockade of Leningrad !!! Good man, no strength !!! Maybe he also sent wagons with food? The people generally wander in assessments ... He did not show such activity, rather, because seeing the stalled blitzkrieg, already at the beginning of 1942 he realized that "this eternal neighbor" will survive, and when he starts moving to the West, it is better not to get "for distribution". As a career officer in the Russian army, he perfectly represented both the strength and weakness of the Russians. He just didn't want to be hanged in the square in Helsinki or Vyborg.


        Mannerheim did not ruin the Great and indivisible Russia. On the contrary, he faithfully served this very Russia. Until its very collapse. And he has merits before Russia, unconditional. He fought bravely in the war of 1904 - 1905. When the Russian troops were thrown by their government to self-sufficiency, and the attitude towards them was mockery. They love to make fun of the "Ukrainians" 2014 here. What kind of fools they are, beaten! Here are the Russian troops in 1904, these are the troops of the "Ukrainians" in 2014. Broken by cross-nose macaques. Is it funny? And the fact that Mannerheim later became one of the first persons of his small homeland - Finland, so the cards were formed. He had all the prerequisites for this - a noble origin, fortune, military education and experience during the wars and battles. Why is there so little people write about the fact that the Finnish army really only reached the Finnish border in 1939? And after 1917 until 1941, 24 years passed when Mannerheim was at the helm of his country? And he could not and did not want to hold referendums on the entry of Finland into Russia, that is, the USSR. Stalinist USSR. Superfluous comments - why shouldn't Finland be part of the USSR? And in 1939-1940 Finland had to fight back from this very USSR. The USSR has 180 million people, Finland has 4 million. There is a difference? Finland and Mannerheim did not want to follow the path of the Baltic states --- surrender without a fight to the mercy of the USSR. This is for you Finland, the Baltic states "limitrophes and non-states-404". And for their inhabitants - their homeland, their home countries. Everything else is idle speculation.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 June 2016 10: 22
          +8
          Quote: svelto
          Why is there so little people write about the fact that the Finnish army really went only to the border of the Finnish border in 1939?

          The Finnish border never crossed Svir. But the front line in 1941-1944 - was passing.

          If you are talking about the Karelian Isthmus, then the Finns were not stopped by Mannerheim’s sentimentality or his love for Russia. And two days of forehead knocking at the Sestroretsky and Beloostrovsky BRO KaUR, which we managed to bring to a combat ready state. A breakthrough of long-term defense without tanks and heavy artillery would cost the Finns more losses than ours in the SFV.
        2. Stas57
          Stas57 20 June 2016 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: svelto
          th. Why is there so little people writing that the Finnish army really only reached the border of the Finnish border 1939?

          yes baby yes! (c)
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          2. brisk
            brisk 20 June 2016 11: 25
            -17%
            Quote: Stas57
            stas57 (1) Today, 10:44 ↑
            Quote: svelto
            th. Why is there so little people writing that the Finnish army really only reached the border of the Finnish border 1939?
            yes baby yes! (c)


            Lies. They even tried to arm the convicts of the Svirlager camps of the Svirstroy, for there was nobody to put in action against the fascist invaders. Yes, only they ran into the woods, hunt looters. If Mannerheim and his Finns wanted, they would have gone through all of Leningrad. Mannerheim did not allow this; he is Mannerheim himself. He, he ... first of all, he! Do not believe?
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 20 June 2016 11: 40
              +5
              Quote: svelto
              Lies.

              of course of course


              They even tried to arm the convicts of the Svirlager camps of the Svirstroy, for there was nobody to put in action against the fascist invaders. Yes, only they ran into the woods, hunt looters. If Mannerheim and his Finns wanted, they would have gone through all of Leningrad. Mannerheim did not allow this; he is Mannerheim himself. He, he ... first of all, he! Do not believe?

              believe in another organization.
              KaUR finals did not pass, but it doesn’t matter to you)
              1. brisk
                brisk 20 June 2016 11: 50
                -13%
                Quote: Stas57
                believe in another organization.
                KaUR finals did not pass, but it doesn’t matter to you)


                And you, besides the State Department, have no other organization. Around one State Department. In this you are like Ukrainians, so to speak. Muscovites are to blame for everything and do not give life. And you have the State Department. Although which is easier? Muscovites stop the Ukrainians? Break at once all relations with Russia --- diplomatic and all others. US interfere with Russia --- sever diplomatic and all other relations with the United States, with this adversary. Develop your army, aviation and navy. And all the other VKS. And do not speak a word with the United States. No business !!! Then they will bother you less. Can you do that?
                1. Stas57
                  Stas57 20 June 2016 12: 04
                  +5
                  Quote: svelto
                  And you, besides the State Department, have no other organization. Around one State Department.

                  I always knew that RKMP and white-craftsmanship lead to a brain tumor
                  I talked about the church.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 20 June 2016 12: 50
              +3
              Quote: svelto
              If Mannerheim and his Finns wanted, they would have gone through all of Leningrad.

              And he wanted to. It was only after the successful capture of the experienced DOS in Beloostrov ("millionaire") that the advancing Finnish troops suddenly found out that the rest of the DOS across the Sestra River were quite capable of combat. Moreover, BRO KaUR have at least minimal infantry filling and artillery cover.
              In short, the Finns knocked their foreheads (in the south and in the center) on the KaUR that had been waiting for them since the end of the 20s - and Mannerheim issued an order in the style of "well, it wasn’t very necessary".
        3. ARES623
          ARES623 20 June 2016 15: 14
          +5
          Quote: svelto
          Not Mannerheim ruined Great and indivisible Russia. It is just the opposite --- faithfully served this very Russia. Until its collapse. And he has merits before Russia, unconditional. Bravely fought in the war of 1904 - 1905. When the Russian troops were abandoned by their government for self-sufficiency, and the attitude towards them was mocking.

          I agree with you in terms of historical chronology, but in essence of the topic I will say that the hero who has become obsessed with a violet will not smell, that will be remembered. But this is not even the point, but the fact that in order to install the KGM memorial plaque, it was necessary to spin a thematic film in which to tell what kind of hero he is, maybe really deserved, to gather people for public hearings, to count the votes ... Procedure simple, well-developed, designed to address issues that have a high public response. But General Poltavchenko (+ the leadership of the Academy), accustomed to strong-willed decisions, scored a big bolt on public opinion and did what he did. Thus, he showed that he did not care about the opinion of the residents. This is the crux of the dispute. And Mannerheim, like Mannerheim, what to take from him? In the Finnish army, officers still drink the first toast to him. And in Irkutsk there is a monument to the English hireling, Russian naval commander and geographer Kolchak. Stands, does not rust. But Mr. Dzerzhinsky, who, in addition to the Cheka, managed to set up the work of the railway and eliminate homelessness in the hungry USSR, was thrown out of the Lubyanka into the trash heap (or somewhere into oblivion). Historical disputes in Russia are an integral hobby of the people. But arrogance and isolation from the people are also an integral feature of a significant part of the Russian leadership.
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 20 June 2016 15: 20
            0
            Quote: ARES623
            And Mannerheim, like Mannerheim, what to take from him? In the Finnish army, officers still drink the first toast for him.

            oh yes, and yes, noble, he interrupted the guard
            lahtari butcher

          2. reservist
            reservist 21 June 2016 11: 14
            0
            Quote: ARES623
            But Mr. Dzerzhinsky, who, in addition to the Cheka, was able to set up the railway and eliminate homelessness in the hungry USSR, was thrown from the Lubyanka to the trash (or somewhere into oblivion).

            stands in Muzeon (Mokva River embankment, not far from Culture Park)
        4. a housewife
          a housewife 21 June 2016 00: 06
          -1
          Clear. Supporter of "Ukrainians". And a racist.
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    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 June 2016 10: 18
      +6
      Quote: inkass_98
      on the other, a consistent opponent of Soviet Russia (since there were half such worlds, the rest half simply did not know about the existence of Russia).

      Mannerheim in the Finnish service was not the enemy of Soviet Russia, but simply Russia.
      In 1918, in Vyborg, the Mannerheimites killed neither the Reds nor the Soviet. They killed those whom they considered Russian. It is difficult to suspect Archpriest Vyborg Cathedral in his adherence to the red ideas of his nephews. Or the chief of the Finland Gendarme Office. Or a retired artillery colonel.
      Quote: inkass_98
      However, he actually did not let the Germans into Finland, the war was on its own with the technical support of Germany.

      What?
      Mannerheim allowed the Germans to Finland twice! First in 1918 so that they would help him in Civil. Yes Yes Yes, tsar lieutenant general, guardsman, lecturer at the Academy of the General Staff invited those with whom White Russia was formally still at war.
      And then in 1941. Even before the start of Barbarossa, German ships were in Finnish ports, German planes were at Finnish airfields (for example, 1./KGr. 806 - Malmi (Finland) 22.6.-7.41), and Finnish divisions were in the north of the country subordinate to the Germans.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2016 10: 56
        +6
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Mannerheim allowed the Germans to Finland twice! First in 1918 so that they would help him in Civil. Yes, yes, yes, the tsarist lieutenant general, guardsman, teacher of the General Staff Academy invited those with whom White Russia was formally still at war.

        well why are you so dirty peasant boots yes in the face of the baron
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 June 2016 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: Stas57
          well why are you so dirty peasant boots yes in the face of the baron

          For it is tired. They want to open a commemorative plaque as a sign of reconciliation between white and red? Let them open - to those who fought for one and indivisible and not really messed up.
          And not to the separatists, especially those who collaborated with the Reich. Let us then open the board for Krasnov - with his "letter to Emperor Wilhelm" and cooperation with the Reich.
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 20 June 2016 13: 06
            +1
            Let them open it - to those who fought for the single and indivisible and did not particularly slur over.

            well, they didn’t want to,
            would like .... - I’m not against Denikin’s reburial
  6. family tree
    family tree 20 June 2016 07: 33
    +17
    Yes, Alexei Ivanovich Sudaev, erect a monument for his teaching staff, it is for Leningrad, much more than Mannerheim did, the Finns, Germans, in bulk
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 20 June 2016 07: 37
    +7
    In St. Petersburg, the next bridge will be called in honor of Pinochet or Napoleon than to perpetuate a truly worthy person.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 June 2016 10: 23
      +2
      In honor of Vlasov. Or Krasnova.
  8. The black
    The black 20 June 2016 07: 38
    +16
    With Mannerheim, as with Kadyrov, the question is very complicated. On the one hand, the tsarist lieutenant general, guardsman, lecturer at the Academy of the General Staff
    ... Yuri, and what if he is a Russian general, a teacher of the General Staff? ..... so you can justify Vlasov, or, for example, Denikin's general Shkuro, who was a member of the First World War, had awards, etc., and later served with the Nazis. So this is not an indicator. But the fact that Mannerheim took part in the blockade of Leningrad is a fact. Perhaps he had his own truth, but he is certainly "not our hero" ...
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 June 2016 07: 49
    +10
    We tried to scrape in front of Finland and tried so hard that they spat in the soul of the Russian people. The Finnish government will not estimate and will not count the deflection, the effect will be the opposite. And the Russians will certainly "thank" at the elections, I hope.
  10. BOB044
    BOB044 20 June 2016 07: 51
    +14
    I completely agree with the author of the article. Such people are held by our country. Honor and eternal memory, I myself am a Muscovite but I am proud of such baker Daniil Kutenen fin.
  11. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 June 2016 08: 07
    +5
    In North Palmyra doh.re.on what not (and how many in total). He traveled around Russia, but was not in St. Petersburg-Leningrad. Somehow I don’t feel very well. Somewhere part of the SOUL fell out. And Grandfather Leningrad protected, and Grandmother survived the blockade. But I still can. sad
  12. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 20 June 2016 08: 08
    -7
    The second part of the mannerheumosrach!
  13. 1536
    1536 20 June 2016 08: 09
    +7
    Maybe everything is simpler, they gave a bribe to "someone who needs it" through the embassy / consulate of a neighboring country, and they hung the plaque in memory so that the descendants would know who was the boss in Russia. For the future. A baker, what a baker? He's not a turner. Who will put in a word about him, except those who personally knew whom he was saving.
    These are the fruits of the penetration of representatives of the "fifth column" into the power structures of Russia on the ground. Who is still forgotten, abandoned among the comrades-in-arms of the German Fuhrer? Whoever needs money should already run to the archive for information. And there representatives of the "brotherly" people are waiting for him.
  14. andj61
    andj61 20 June 2016 08: 11
    0
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    The second part of the mannerheumosrach!

    good This is already the third! The first part generally began on Friday, and in the article about Erdogan, which in general had nothing to do with the Finns or Mannerheim. hi
  15. Stinger
    Stinger 20 June 2016 08: 16
    +5
    And why is there no memorial tablet in honor of this Finn in the Northern capital?

    And therefore not. He is not special, close to the emperor. If he starved the Leningraders, like Mannerheim, he would. Some of us love scoundrels, close to her imperial majesty, derailed Russia.
  16. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 20 June 2016 08: 30
    +11
    Those who installed this board do not need such Heroes. But now the country knows its "heroes" and if you can say that you are not surprised about the freaks who opened this disgrace, then there are questions to the Petrograd. Not so looked like a similar event in our Sevastopol. Citizens of Great Russia, wake up !!! There should be hundreds and thousands of protesters, not three loners !!!
  17. erased
    erased 20 June 2016 08: 50
    +4
    Peter has long been known as a liberal capital. Soon there will be Obama Avenue and Vlasov Street. Moreover, ordinary people themselves are not happy with such tolerance. But the ball rules in the city on the Neva River not by the people, but by its owners.
    It was the glorious city of Lenin. And now ... ... ... ... (censored).
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 20 June 2016 09: 37
      -7
      Come on. In the glorious city of St. Petersburg (before the revolution) there were no streets or avenues of Napoleon, Mamai or Karl 12. In the glorious city of Lenin there must have been streets and avenues named after those who, in the name of the revolution, exterminated hundreds and thousands of inhabitants of Cossack farms and villages, kulaks-miroed and other "condra".
  18. Egevich
    Egevich 20 June 2016 08: 55
    +2
    there is an opinion that for a short while that board will hang ... most likely, people of unidentified nationality will be demolished at the color pick-up point ... well, or it will fall from the wind ... in St. Petersburg the winds are strong, right? ..
  19. valent45
    valent45 20 June 2016 09: 23
    0
    What a ... this fifth column and tolerance for it! It is necessary to somehow capture and send them
    over the hill. They still do not like Russia. So let them live outside it.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 June 2016 09: 48
      +3
      What a ... this fifth column and tolerance for it! It is necessary to somehow capture and send them
      over the hill. They still do not like Russia. So let them live outside it.
      Do you think the head of the country should know about such events, or did the cat leave the kittens and no one is to blame?
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 20 June 2016 10: 42
        +2
        [/ quote] Do you think the head of the country should know about such events, or did the cat leave the kittens and no one is to blame? [/ quote]
        Do you think that the head of the country is not in the know? Then, what his spokesman comments.
        But there is no desire to install signs on each house, how many residents of this house did not live to see the end of the blockade?
  20. Stas57
    Stas57 20 June 2016 09: 26
    +5
    because he is not a count, not a cavalry guard, he did not go first at the coronation.
    after all, people who spit on historical justice put the board, they just really do not like the "scoop"
  21. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 20 June 2016 09: 29
    +4
    The author made a typo, because looking at the death certificate, the surname Kyut is indicated thereinennot kutyenen. In such materials you need to be punctual, especially the photo document before your eyes.
  22. 0255
    0255 20 June 2016 09: 40
    0
    Thanks to the author for the article. I did not know about Knutenen. And he is really worthy of memory
    1. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 15: 39
      0
      There were not a few such as Kutinen in Leningrad, but, unfortunately, there were 10 times more cynical opportunists. How many stories about any beginnings. and head. a warehouse that exchanged bread for gold.
  23. Dr.Serg
    Dr.Serg 20 June 2016 09: 53
    +4
    Mannerheim? IN LENINGRAD ??? You can’t imagine the worst spit!
    1. reservist
      reservist 20 June 2016 11: 27
      +2
      this time they really outdid themselves ...
  24. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 20 June 2016 10: 15
    +5
    St. Petersburg, is it difficult for you to print an article about a heroic cook. and stick it next to the mannerheim board, let them compare, and the law is not violated.
    It only seems to me that as they hung the board, it will hang, chat, indignant, and that’s it. because the Russian guard will come, led by Putin, and they will put everyone in prison. because the government does not think about the people. But we can’t do anything.
    The funny thing is that when you read comments on VO, then all such patriots, and Putin needs this, this is necessary. and I would have torn all the Bandera people, but I would have been in Syria with the hands of the Ishilovites. commentators on VO condemn Ukrainians for worshiping Bandera, but they themselves are even worse. weakly to show that it is bad to hang such boards.
    ask how many times they blew up a monument to Ermolov. When a monument to a Soviet soldier is demolished in Estonia, people are protesting. when the sovols march, people protest. Is it weak for us to somehow express our protest, or are we just going to whine?
    It’s not Putin’s fault that we have small salaries, that they take bribes, that they have bad roads, that they put monuments to anyone, but this people. which can only pi ... get sick. sofa warriors !!
    1. brisk
      brisk 20 June 2016 11: 42
      -6
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      When a monument to a Soviet soldier is demolished in Estonia, people are protesting. when the sovols march, people protest. But is it weak for us to somehow express our protest, or are we just going to whine?
      It’s not Putin’s fault that we have small salaries, that they take bribes, that they have bad roads, that they put monuments to anyone, but this people. which can only pi ... get sick. sofa warriors !!


      So after all, the Russians are the IMPERIAL people. So it seems that a recent well-known character from the Russian patriotic military reconstructors said? Igor Ivanovich (or Igor Vsevolodovich). There was his video debate with the Russian nationalist Boris Sergeevich, where he put it that way. On YouTube there is. Yes, he said it quite accurately. Hence the cross for Russians. Another way is to abandon the status of an imperial people. And live like Estonians in Estonia. Their "Estonia" will certainly be more sprat Estonia.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 20 June 2016 17: 43
        +1
        some kind of nonsense they wrote, how many did not read the meaning did not understand. what does the imperial people have to do with it (this is generally what). Reconstructors, live like Estonians in Estonia ?.
  25. 2s1122
    2s1122 20 June 2016 10: 29
    +4
    It is necessary to collect the signatures of citizens to establish a memorial plaque in honor of the baker Daniil Kütenen opposite Mannerheim, so that you could see who the hero is. I am for it.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 20 June 2016 11: 17
      +2
      and the luminous appearance of Mannerheim is fixed on the grave of the infallible intellectual of Medina, or on the palaces of his arrested deputies
  26. tags
    tags 20 June 2016 11: 14
    +3
    this is truly a strong internally man, where millions were dying from the deck at this terrible time, but the conscience and strength of this person did not allow them to steal even a crumb of bread that belonged to another! Maybe he does not deserve a monument, but a tablet with his inscription or, quite deservedly will name the street in honor of this person: - "Baker Daniil Kutenen!" - it will be well deserved!
  27. ovod84
    ovod84 20 June 2016 11: 27
    +7
    Where is the Toktogon Abdelbasyrovna monument raising 152 children evacuated from the besieged Leningrad
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 20 June 2016 12: 14
      -2
      (a new monument of some kind in recent times, which would already be available in due order to support
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  29. Lazy ozzy
    Lazy ozzy 20 June 2016 12: 36
    0
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Black
    But because the history books are written by the wrong people, oh the wrong people ....

    Those people they won’t save either. For sometimes they change shoes in a jump - for example, Mr. M ... Dinsky, so recently praised by the patriots.
    More recently, he писалThat:
    On August 1, 1941, the Finns reached the old Soviet-Finnish border near Leningrad, thereby closing the half-ring of the city’s blockade from the north. The blockade of Leningrad and the starvation of almost a million residents of the city became possible because the Finns closed their half of the ring.
    It was not an accident. Mannerheim did not conceal that the existence of Finland as an independent state depended on relations with the Germans; he was friends with the Third Reich not for fear, but for conscience.

    And last week - I opened the board to this very friend of the third reich.

    He wrote (?), But he hardly read "his" opuses.
  30. Bath
    Bath 20 June 2016 13: 01
    -3
    Quote: Mahmut
    During the blockade of Leningrad, not a single shell from Finland was fired at Leningrad. Not a single German soldier was allowed on the Soviet-Finnish border, although there were such requests from Hitler. Finland only formally fought with the USSR. And since 1944, she did not even formally participate. And this is thanks to Mannerheim. The truth was not on his part and humanitarian caravans. But politics is the art of the possible.

    Hei, et Chudilo Finn tapauksessa?
  31. sergo1914
    sergo1914 20 June 2016 14: 31
    +4
    Strange approach. We have an unknown Supreme Commander-in-Chief who defeated this whole pack. Including Mannerheim. Hitler's ally. Not a slave to Hitler, but an ally (a repeat for the smartest). Maybe you should think about it? The man who defeated fascism does not have commemorative tablets, busts and monuments. Even the thought of this does not arise among state leaders. But we perpetuate the Hitler mongrel.
    1. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 15: 33
      -4
      Quote: sergo1914
      we perpetuate Hitler’s mongrel.

      Mannerheim was an influential figure even before Hitler became famous and the NSDAP was created.
      And he remained such a figure after the death of Hitler and the defeat of Germany.
      From which side did he suddenly become a "Hitlerite mongrel" ???

      To criticize - criticize, specify arguments, but why slide down to dibilism, stamping delusional slogans and nicknames ??? People like you just do not allow society to calm down, decide on a vision of events. People like you are always few. Such as you support nonsense in Ukraine.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 June 2016 16: 05
        0
        Quote: yehat
        From which side did he suddenly become a "Hitlerite mongrel" ???

        Do you not believe the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation, Mr. M ... Dinsky? wink
        On August 1, 1941, the Finns reached the old Soviet-Finnish border near Leningrad, thereby closing the half-ring of the city’s blockade from the north. The blockade of Leningrad and the starvation of almost a million residents of the city became possible because the Finns closed their half of the ring.

        This was not an accident. Mannerheim I didn’t hide that Finland’s existence as an independent state depended on relations with the Germans, was friends with the Third Reich not for fear, but for conscience.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 21 June 2016 00: 21
      -1
      I am not a supporter of Stalin, as the leader of the country and just a person. But the fact is that his country defeated fascism. And if a monument were opened to him, I would not mind a single word. Ambiguity is ambiguity. Then you need to look at the basic fact. And who is this mannerheim to us? Let the Finns put a monument to him, if they haven’t put it yet.
    3. a housewife
      a housewife 21 June 2016 00: 21
      0
      I am not a supporter of Stalin, as the leader of the country and just a person. But the fact is that his country defeated fascism. And if a monument were opened to him, I would not mind a single word. Ambiguity is ambiguity. Then you need to look at the basic fact. And who is this mannerheim to us? Let the Finns put a monument to him, if they haven’t put it yet.
      1. reservist
        reservist 21 June 2016 11: 18
        0
        Quote: housewife
        Let the Finns put a monument to him, if they haven’t put it yet.

        set ... and not one ...
        this one is in Helsinki
  32. kmv 77
    kmv 77 20 June 2016 15: 47
    0
    The most worthy man! One saved from hunger, the other starved.
  33. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 20 June 2016 17: 35
    0
    Quote: yehat
    There were not a few such as Kutinen in Leningrad, but, unfortunately, there were 10 times more cynical opportunists. How many stories about any beginnings. and head. a warehouse that exchanged bread for gold.


    If there were 10 times more of them (opportunists), there would be no blockade, and Peter would be surrendered.
    Sorry, but you wrote nonsense. I’ll tell you a secret, there were hundreds and thousands of people like Kyutinen, but there were a few opportunists.
  34. behemot
    behemot 20 June 2016 18: 32
    -1
    You just have to deal with liberals: you kick a jamon in your mouth, while either your mouth or your belly breaks.
  35. Jacques the Passer
    Jacques the Passer 20 June 2016 18: 34
    +8
    she would also hang a memorial tablet in St. Petersburg
    1. duhmorey
      duhmorey 23 June 2016 00: 47
      -1
      Look what a rich grandmother was! And what, she herself fed everyone at the expense of her farm? 150 (!) Is already a good hostel in size ...
  36. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 20 June 2016 18: 52
    -1
    Loved the article, simple and moving. It was very interesting to learn about such a person. hi
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 21 June 2016 18: 50
      0
      Very surprised by the reaction of a clown to my comment. Nevertheless, the article really liked and put a minus in relation to such a comment on such a really touching story of a simple Finn, I was surprised. Not yet transferred ..... to VO. Well, God bless them, this in no way affects my opinion on the publication. hi
  37. sergo1914
    sergo1914 20 June 2016 20: 15
    0
    Quote: yehat
    Mannerheim was an influential figure even before Hitler became famous and the NSDAP was created. And he remained such a figure after the death of Hitler and the defeat of Germany. From which side did he suddenly become a "Hitler's mongrel" ???


    He did not fight on the side of Hitler against the USSR ??? Ah ... I get it. He was a member of the anti-Hitler coalition and Finnish soldiers walked shoulder to shoulder with the soldiers of the Soviet Army in the Victory Parade. Or did they march with SS soldiers? And Karl Mannerheim pledged with Hitler. Explain.
  38. Dr.Serg
    Dr.Serg 20 June 2016 20: 48
    +2
    Quote: Dr.Serg
    Mannerheim? IN LENINGRAD ??? You can’t imagine the worst spit!

    I’ll add .... it's like a board to Hitler at Piskarevsky cemetery ... Already sick ...
  39. loaln
    loaln 20 June 2016 21: 03
    +1
    Why be surprised? It’s ridiculous. Even Krylov wrote about who praises whom and when. Switch it to the power and licking, here is Mannerheim. Those licking at the colors of the state will look, here’s a memorable bas-relief ... To whom? Guess with 3 times. For guidance, take the Second World War.
  40. Old warrior
    Old warrior 20 June 2016 22: 10
    -6
    He did nothing wrong with Russia and died as a True Hero.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 20 June 2016 23: 02
      0
      Quote: Old Warrior
      He did nothing wrong with Russia and died as a Real Hero

      well, destroyed several thousand inhabitants, you think what a little thing
      1. reservist
        reservist 21 June 2016 11: 52
        0
        and the "contribution" of the Finns to the blockade of Leningrad?
        there is an account for hundreds of thousands ...
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 21 June 2016 11: 57
          +1
          Quote: reservist
          there is an account for hundreds of thousands ...

          They got it already am Commemorative plaque to the Russian general - a shame! We are discussing the week fool Better go and spit on the monument to Sobchak and Gaidar at the same time. This is where the real bastards
          1. reservist
            reservist 21 June 2016 12: 24
            0
            Mannerheim did not die as a Russian general, but as a Finnish marshal.
            And he "inherited" in our history much more precisely as a Finnish marshal, and not as a Russian general ...
            you can’t talk only about the Russian General Mannerheim and at the same time keep silent about the Finnish Marshal Mannerheim ...

            and Sobchak and Gaidar need a separate topic ...
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 21 June 2016 12: 40
              +1
              Quote: reservist
              Mannerheim did not die as a Russian general, but as a Finnish marshal.

              The board shows the years of service in the Russian army recourse no one hung up the Finnish marshal of boards. Maybe, all the same, let's start with the dogs and the gaiters?
              1. Stas57
                Stas57 21 June 2016 14: 43
                0
                Quote: Ruslan67
                The board shows the years of service in the Russian army to the Finnish marshal of the boards no one hung. Maybe, all the same, let's start with the Sobchaks and Gaidars?

                Yes? Oh well
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 21 June 2016 14: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Stas57
                  Oh well

                  This is hoping about a pack of dogs?
              2. shed
                shed 22 June 2016 18: 13
                0
                but why hang them, they are already in the ground, except to dig
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      3. Old warrior
        Old warrior 21 June 2016 12: 59
        0
        Who! Kyutinen? Are you too bleached overeat?
    2. reservist
      reservist 21 June 2016 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Old Warrior
      He did nothing wrong with Russia

      really?
      or after 1917, Russia ceased to exist?
      1. Old warrior
        Old warrior 21 June 2016 13: 02
        0
        I'm writing about Kyutinen, and d and about s. Although I would carefully read the title of the topic.
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    3. shed
      shed 22 June 2016 18: 10
      0
      if the old one refresh your memory, read it, it can help, if you were a person then you should remain a person in history, but if you were a criminal, though he doesn't care, but normal people
  41. lissa
    lissa 20 June 2016 23: 01
    +1
    Agree. If you put memorial plaques and monuments, it’s for such honest people, regardless of nationality. And for those, because of which so many Russian people painfully died, the crime against their own people is the top.
    And while we will do this, they will treat us with neglect. If we do not respect ourselves and do not honor our history and memory, then who will respect us then?
  42. user3970
    user3970 21 June 2016 07: 28
    +2
    People, what do you want? Is the Presidential Library named after Yeltsin ?! Where is Yeltsin and where is the book? Even if this character from Russian jokes allowed his autobiography to be written only by his son-in-law (so that others would not dig something), and for this he received his "literary" fee of $ 50 from Chubais pens. Fursenko, who began the collapse of the best in the world Soviet education is now in the advisers of the president, Medinsky, godfather of the organized criminal group of the Ministry of Culture, all of whose advisers are now in jail, a former "professor" of MGIMO, where for VERY BIG MONEY diamond and gold boys and girls receive diplomas. Those who read the "opuses" on the "history" of Russia of this "professor" write boiling water. Ukrainians, with their digging of the Black Sea, nervously smoke on the sidelines. Sorry, but the president of which country said that he grew up in Leningrad, that one of his relatives died during the blockade. Is it for sure that Putin is from Leningrad ?! In my memory, there was such a colonel of the GRU Poteyev, fled to the West and betrayed all the agents. His dad is a hero of the Soviet Union. There was a GRU General Kalugin, now he conducts bus tours around the SGA.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 June 2016 08: 11
      -1
      Quote: user3970
      Is it for sure that Putin is from Leningrad ?!

      - his biography says just that yes

      Quote: user3970
      In my memory there was such a colonel of the GRU Potee, fled to the West and betrayed all the agents. His dad is a hero of the Soviet Union. There was a general GRU Kalugin, now conducts bus tours of the SGA.

      - And what is the side to the above? Tell me - there were no honest employees in this organization? Well, try, it can be fun fellow

      Shit in old age, don’t go away, my dear .. there will be a lot of stench, but little help (as always) request
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 21 June 2016 22: 13
      +1
      Quote: user3970
      There was a general GRU Kalugin,

      He was a general of the KGB Head of the Counterintelligence Directorate in Leningrad and the Len region.
  43. brom
    brom 21 June 2016 09: 05
    0
    He is at work:
  44. Ded_smerch
    Ded_smerch 21 June 2016 09: 17
    +1
    Quote: wks
    Vandalism, or rather Banderism to fight with monuments. Mannerheim was a famous and influential person ...

    Vandalism of memory put a tablet in the city in which there was a famine through the fault of this character. Memory vandalism put a sign on the person who participated in the Russian genocide in Finland. Memory vandalism put a tablet to a person who even in Finland is considered a butcher
    I quote TASS:
    "... in December 2004, the Finnish broadcaster Yle reported that red paint was poured over the Mannerheim monument in Tampere and the word" lahtari "-" butcher "was inscribed on the pedestal. This word was also used to derogatoryly refer to Finnish White Guards."
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 June 2016 18: 49
      0
      Quote: Ded_smerch
      Vandalism of memory put a sign in the city in which there was a famine through the fault of this character

      - yah? But Hitler and others like him - did they just stand by? belay

      Quote: Ded_smerch
      Memory vandalism put a sign on a person who participated in the Russian genocide in Finland

      - prove the "Russian genocide". Finland was in a state of war with the USSR; in the territories occupied by the Finns, about 24000 Russians were interned in camps. About 4000 of them died (Finnish data, if you have others - please, be kind) yes
      - The same thing happened with the Japanese living in the USA in the USA
      - the same thing in the USSR was done with the Volga Germans
      - I don’t even want to talk about Crimean Tatars - it’s imposed on my teeth ...

      Quote: Ded_smerch
      I quote TASS

      - it is better to quote in full, rather than an excerpt, for you personally convenient:

      Quote: http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/3381641
      On both sides of the border

      Despite the fact that Mannerheim is officially considered the national hero of Finland, the attitude towards him in this country is also not entirely unambiguous. This is evidenced by incidents on Finnish territory, similar to those in St. Petersburg. For example, in December 2004, the Finnish broadcaster Yle reported that red paint had been poured over the Mannerheim monument in Tampere and the word "lahtari" - "butcher" was inscribed on the pedestal. The word was also used to derogatoryly refer to Finnish White Guards.

      That's something like request
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  46. user3970
    user3970 21 June 2016 09: 27
    0
    But to be rude "dear", do not. And my mention of the names of Poteev and Kalugin in this place only says that you need to love the country where you were born and grew up, where your parents are buried and know its history. I doubt Poltavchenko's "amateur performance" associated with the bridge and the board. So all this mess happened with the consent of the president. Then a clarifying question: did the current president graduate from Leningrad State University for sure, or only the Department of Physical Education at Leningrad State University, and was he awarded a diploma for great achievements in sports? Because in his knowledge of the history of the country, our president publicly screwed up repeatedly, which is in no way permissible for a graduate of Leningrad State University, especially a Soviet (even that) graduation. With regards to the KGB ... There is only one thing that this organization did not prevent the collapse of the state, and most likely, even contributed to this. Which looks like a state. treason. I know many KGB officers who "rose" very well thanks to the collapse (perestroika) of the USSR and became billionaires.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 June 2016 18: 08
      0
      So. Already funny. The points:

      Quote: user3970
      ... my mentioning the names of Poteev and Kalugin in this place only says that you need to love the country where you were born and raised, where your parents are buried and know its history. I doubt Poltavchenko's "amateur performance" connected to the bridge and board. So all this mess happened with the consent of the president...

      - strong statement yes
      - Can you justify it somehow, or believe yours .. um .. will you tell me your opinions? wink
      - arguments like "the president is responsible for everything that happens in the country" - do not roll request

      Quote: user3970
      With regards to the KGB ... The only thing is that this organization did not prevent the collapse of the state, or rather, even contributed to this. Which is similar to the state. treason

      - from another point of view, treason would be like unauthorized armed speech, including by the structures of the KGB, without the order of the then Supreme Commander. Such an order, as you know, has not been received.

      Quote: user3970
      I know many KGB officers who "rose" very well thanks to the collapse (perestroika) of the USSR and became billionaires.

      - there are some. Which, however, does not refute the following:

      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Tell me - there were no honest employees in this organization? Well, try, it can be fun

      - that is, your "know" - does not prove anything and does not refute anything
      - "but the sediment remained", yes laughing

      Quote: user3970
      But to be rude "dear", do not

      - you force me to, my dear ... because almost every comment you make is an outline of a popular (foul-smelling) substance on a well-known device for airing rooms ...

      So, as the classic said:

      Quote: I.A. Krylov. Mirror and Monkey
      “Than to consider the gossips to work,
      Isn't it better to turn on yourself, godfather? ”

      Somehow winked
      1. user3970
        user3970 21 June 2016 19: 43
        0
        I don’t want to get involved in a vain discussion with you, but look at the photo more closely when you open the board next to the head of the organized crime group of the Ministry of Culture, the head of the Ivanov Administration, a friend and colleague in the craft of the president, was lit by the Medinsky. I confess, up to this point I considered him even the successor of the gdp. After all, a senior GRU officer, not the KGB. Is this his initiative personally? GDP is not in the know? I throw off the photo of two friends with children. One of them is the president of the Russian Guard of Golds.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 21 June 2016 20: 11
          0
          Quote: user3970
          but look at the photo more closely when you open the board next to the head of the organized crime group of the Ministry of Culture, the head of the Ivanov Administration, a friend and colleague in the craft of the president, was lit by the Medinsky. I confess, up to this point I considered him even the successor of the gdp. After all, a senior GRU officer, not the KGB. Is this his initiative personally? GDP is not in the know? I throw off the photo of two friends with children. One of them is the president of the Russian Guard of Golds.

          - I saw a lot of different photos, among them were the ones you mentioned ...

          SO WHAT??

          - what (and to whom) do you want to prove with these pictures? That these people are now working, conventionally, "in one team"?
          - Duc even without your pictures it is well known .. "news" is rotten wink

          Quote: user3970
          I do not want to get involved with you in an empty discussion

          - and discussions, as such, will not work .. You don’t answer direct questions, but each new comment you have, I repeat - there is a sketch (of the next portion) colors to the rotator ...

          Well, you see, no one else has been given to you .. sorry for you even somewhere .. crying
          1. user3970
            user3970 21 June 2016 20: 31
            0
            I propose to communicate PM, and not clog this page with unnecessary garbage.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 21 June 2016 20: 45
              0
              Quote: user3970
              I propose to communicate PM, and not clog this page with unnecessary garbage.

              First show at least some constructive thread in communication ... So far, I see the following from you:

              - Mannerheim - definitely a darned condom, fascist, nits finished and in general - an earthworm (IMHO already debatable)
              - therefore, the opening of the plaque to him is a challenge to the entire population of the Russian Federation (IMHO nonsense)
              - the opening of this board is an initiative of the VVP personally (well, or it is personally supervised by the VVP), since "his best friend Ivanov" was present at the opening (IMHO, nonsense squared ... there are no "friends in politics", and Ivanov has such a special rank, allowing a memorial plaque to be opened by a politician of another country)

              That's all that I see so far ... I have never seen a constructive in this even ... at least explain something clearly, if possible ..

              PS: I propose to forget about Kadyrov for now. Purely to simplify the dialogue laughing
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 21 June 2016 21: 02
                +3
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                First show at least some constructive thread in communication ...

                Roma! I already in this thread the bolt broke something proving fool Moreover, they themselves essentially had to be put to the wall in 91. As the Bolsheviks did in 17
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 21 June 2016 21: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  ! I already in this thread the bolt broke something proving

                  hi No, if it doesn’t crawl, it’s still not lost ...

                  And here I’ve been here a couple of weeks ago by the neck-neck ... um ... I hit it - the duck still behaves somehow strangely: it seems they are going, but somewhere ... where they want to ...

                  And what to do with it - I do not know laughing
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 21 June 2016 22: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    .. where they want to ...

                    yes And hands reach for work and legs dragged into the pub request laughing
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    And what to do with it - I do not know

                    Listen to the requirement of the body wink
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 21 June 2016 22: 30
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      And hands reach for work and legs dragged into the pub

                      - eh, if only that way ... and then - cross the street in a straight line, and then there are already problems belay

                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Listen to the requirement of the body

                      - No, I intend to train them. In the end - the body for me, or am I for the body ??? (who is the boss in the house - me, or cockroaches ??)
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 21 June 2016 22: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        neck-neck ... um ... banged -

                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        go straight along the street, and then the problems are already

                        Roma belay You are a complete adventure to your euro part laughing
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        (who is the boss in the house - me, or cockroaches ??)

                        You still hold a referendum on this issue wassat
    2. duhmorey
      duhmorey 23 June 2016 01: 01
      0
      Those (probably well-known to many) forces that "launched an operation to break up the USSR" naturally completely controlled the KGB by that time! Without this, there was no point in starting this risky operation! For in the best times, when traitors in the KGB were being destroyed by the "Internal Security Departments" —all these little fools — they would not have dared to stick their nose out! Probably, the main military officials were also under the hood ...
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  49. DPN
    DPN 21 June 2016 13: 23
    0
    The trouble is that WHITE took the upper hand, as a result they pull to the top all who fought against the SOVIET AUTHORITY, hence the former princes and counts cannot stand the color of the white movement next to the bakers and other working people. Russia considers itself to be the successor of the USSR, hence from the TV screens not a single bad word about their homeland-USSR. Only after that the WESTERN WORLD will reckon with RUSSIA and will recognize the 1945 VICTORY. otherwise Russia is just a big SHARD of the former Soviet Union and no more !!!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 June 2016 20: 33
      0
      Quote: DPN
      Russia considers itself successor the USSR

      - successor. And not only the Russian Federation thinks so, by the way, but also many countries of the world (but Armenia, the EMNIP, as it just does not)

      Succession - the transfer of rights and obligations from one subject of legal relations to another. In this case, the successor shall replace his predecessor in all legal relations to which the succession applies.

      - that is, the debts of the former USSR are now the debts of the Russian Federation
      - foreign property of the USSR (except located in the countries of the former USSR) - this is property of the Russian Federation
      - international treaties (not all) of the USSR - these are now treaties of the Russian Federation
      - Etc.

      Quote: DPN
      it follows from the TV screens not a single bad word about his homeland-USSR. Only after that the WESTERN WORLD will reckon with RUSSIA and will recognize the 1945 VICTORY.

      - Well, let's put it this way - the USSR was also not an ideal society, and there is something to criticize. Although, I agree, now and especially earlier with this ... um ... have gone too far, yes request
      - about the Victory of 1945 - here you generally said nothing at all, IMHO ...

      That's something like yes
  50. CRASH
    CRASH 21 June 2016 16: 36
    0
    No, why, we’d better give the Kdarov’s bridge a name, he’s the hero of his mother.