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The first graduation of ensigns was held at the Strategic Missile Forces Academy.

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In the Serpukhov branch of the Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces there was an issue of ensigns who were trained in the battalion of secondary vocational education, the press service informs Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.




“In the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great, the first graduation ceremony took place. About 50, specialists from all over the country have been trained in the training battalion of secondary vocational education and will now continue to serve in the military. Graduates received distributions in units and formations of the Rocket Forces from the Tver region to the Irkutsk regions. About 90% of them will serve in the re-equipped connections of the Strategic Missile Forces ",
says release.

According to the press service, “more than 80% of graduates before serving at the academy served in the Strategic Missile Forces and only about 20% entered the branch of the academy immediately after school.”

It is reported that "young professionals have been trained in three areas: communication specialists, specialists in the field of energy supply, specialists in the field of information security."

The training program takes on time from 2 years 6 months. up to 2 years 10 months This year, the branch plans to welcome 120 listeners.
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  1. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 13: 38
    -59%
    The ensign has only one shoulder strap, the right one, so that it is convenient to carry the bags on the left shoulder fellow How many did not communicate with them, sheer thieves.
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      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 11
        -28%
        The holder is powerful ... where to buy something, to speed it up to the ensign ... army business .. EVERYTHING IS HOLDING ON THEM soldier
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 19 June 2016 14: 16
          +17
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          where to buy something, to speed it to the ensign ... army business .. EVERYTHING IS HOLDING ON THEM

          This is yes, if the peasant needed a can of gasoline, a cotton summer or a box of stewed meat is for ensign. And if the company has a couple of railway diesel fuel tanks, a couple of thousand winter jackets or a ton of sugar, then it’s for the team, the team, or even directly to the commander. yes
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 23
            -22%
            Here, campaign alone ... lol
            1. cniza
              cniza 19 June 2016 14: 53
              +14
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              Here, campaign alone ... lol


              I don’t think it’s just in the article what specialties these warrant officers have received and they will not have the opportunity to steal and sell something.
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            3. bovig
              bovig 19 June 2016 18: 10
              +17
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              Here, campaign alone ... lol

              Well, so not all marshals in the military are like that in life!)))) Let's say I'm a colonel here, and in the military registration and enlistment office I am an ensign ... I will not even try to deny your statements (although, for myself, I consider them offensive) , but from personal experience I know that the combat readiness of the USSR Armed Forces depended not to a small extent on the warrant officers-technicians (and the foremen, respectively). Enough fingers on one hand to list those officers who could compete with me in the "special" during the entire service ... Not as a reproach, of course, because their lot is a vertical career, and the lot of an ensign is a horizontal career, which is permanent improvement of professionalism. Yes, there were "cadres" among the rear officials who corresponded to your descriptions and served as a type for jokes (and they were only executors of the will from above), but it is unfair to judge the institute in aggregate by such "cadres" ...
              1. dv_generalov
                dv_generalov 19 June 2016 23: 05
                +4
                Totally agree with you. In my division there are 20 warrant officers responsible for communications and informational component. I don't go there, why, all specialists are 1000%. Checked by combat work. Plus the garrison, there are about 200 warrant officers, and these are top-class specialists (assistants to the chiefs of the guard, squad leaders). I am describing the fire departments in which I serve. The Armed Forces are in constant readiness, but the conflicts where they are used are local, there is no mass character, as in the Second World War. And fires and incidents where firefighting forces are used occur everywhere. I do not want to offend or slander someone. A warrant officer is a specialist, hands and an operational head, regardless of the structure where they are used. But the resulting vacuum, when a specialist is fired, is quite problematic to fill. A specialist must be "raised".
              2. Orionvit
                Orionvit 20 June 2016 05: 10
                0
                I did not understand what the argument was about. There are ensigns (and this is the correct formulation), head of the warehouse, and so on. And there are ensigns servants, professionals, please do not offend them.
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          3. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 14: 27
            +8
            Quote: Vladimirets
            it’s to the deputy head, deputy head, or even directly to the commander.

            And if alcohol, then this is to dohtur yes
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 40
              -5
              Here is the ulcer .. plus))) good
            2. PKK
              PKK 19 June 2016 15: 05
              +5
              Where did the alcohol come from, especially in the Strategic Missile Forces. Previously, we turned to the group commander, poured, only if normally asked, if required, put it, then sent it away.
            3. brelok
              brelok 19 June 2016 15: 17
              +3
              [quote = Lance corporal Valera] And if alcohol, then this is to the doctor
              Not at all! In the photo, the equipment has not changed at all over 20 years. And monthly, 400 grams of medical equipment were issued for the schedule. Most likely, nothing
              1. bovig
                bovig 19 June 2016 18: 36
                +2
                [quote = brelok] [quote = Lance-corporal Valera] And if alcohol, then this is to the doctor
                Not at all! In the photo, the equipment has not changed at all over 20 years. And monthly, 400 grams of medical equipment were issued for the schedule. Most likely, nothing has creased [/ quote]
                The norms were different. Let's say my radio station relied on 1,5 liters! Rounded, of course ...
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 19: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: bovig
                  Let's say my radio station relied on 1,5 liters!

                  Heh)))
                  Masandra steers! With kerosene especially soldier
              2. Moore
                Moore 20 June 2016 04: 53
                +1
                Medical (i.e., pharmacopoeial) alcohol has never been issued for regulation.
                Only awl.
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            4. bovig
              bovig 19 June 2016 18: 33
              +3
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Quote: Vladimirets
              it’s to the deputy head, deputy head, or even directly to the commander.

              And if alcohol, then this is to dohtur yes

              Not really!)) I personally deducted alcohol, so I had preferences in distribution ...) Half came at the disposal of someone. companies (as NZ and for household needs), as a person financially responsible, and half was distributed to carry out regulations ... Oddly enough, enough - the equipment worked reliably!))
          4. papas-57
            papas-57 19 June 2016 19: 16
            +1
            `` Yes, if the peasant needs a canister of gasoline, cotton summer or a box of stewed meat, this is for the ensign. And if a company has a couple of railway tank cars of diesel fuel, a couple of thousand winter pea jackets or three tons of sugar, then it’s to the backyard, the deputy technical officer, or even directly to the commander. will be able, tk. the latter sit on material values.
        2. family tree
          family tree 19 June 2016 14: 33
          +7
          Yes, they were different, when I was at the warehouse, they registered and the heads of the canteens, whom it was easier to jump than to get around and there was an elderly man, senior warrant officer, a mechanic driver at BAT-M, when he managed to repair it, where he got the iron, he only knows, all the more that this machine worked in the pvoshny part, so I remember that they called Vasily, and forgot his last name
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 20 June 2016 20: 25
            0
            Quote: perepilka
            Yes, they are different,

            In principle, like all people
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    2. marshes
      marshes 19 June 2016 13: 54
      +18
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      The ensign has only one shoulder strap, the right one, so that it is convenient to carry the bags on the left shoulder. How many did not communicate with them is a complete thief.

      Well, where did the ensign serve.
      My father began service with urgency, aviation, a three-year-old and a flight technician, mechanic, ensign, and after he studied in Afghanistan and became a captain, the youngest flight, he left the flight as an engineer.
      So there is no need to drive a barrel for ensigns; in his service, the senior ensign was, in part, the second respected, really respected person after the commander, but they were more afraid of him.
    3. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 07
      -28%
      Minus-minus .... I won’t give up my opinion ... goons and thieves .. those who comment below -I understand that there are exceptions to the rules, but these are exceptions .. no offense.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 19 June 2016 14: 30
        +13
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        there are exceptions to the rules, but these are exceptions .. no offense.

        ... in the Strategic Missile Forces - all the PGRK mechanical water supplies - an ensign! And other technical specialists in bulk, who have nothing to do with software and rear ...
        So I would "filter the bazaar".
      2. Woland
        Woland 19 June 2016 15: 00
        +4
        kagritza, exceptions only confirm the rule. But seriously, like all people. Different.
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    5. dvina71
      dvina71 19 June 2016 14: 13
      +20
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      The ensign has only one shoulder strap, the right one, so that it is convenient to carry the bags on the left shoulder fellow. How many did not communicate with them is a complete thief.

      Nachprod is always an officer ... the ensign before him .. I mean the bags .. oh, how far.
      However, I know midshipmen ... well, we don’t have warrant officers here))), and so one evacuated a nuclear battery that the metalworkers stole from the lighthouse, so that you know, it fonil so that at 30m, while all living things died, grass died faded, the leaves fell. She weighed about 60kg. There are no convenient carry grips. The time for evacuating this device in a special 24s, for a person in a protective suit.
      Ready to participate?
      But he took ..
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 28
        -14%
        Well, I’m not saying that everyone needs one comb .. I respect the military service, those who really give themselves to the Motherland
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 19 June 2016 14: 35
          +12
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          solid thieves.

          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Minus-minus .... I will not give up my opinion ... goons and thieves ..

          How so, and then jump:
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Well, I’m not saying that everyone needs one comb.

          You already decide: READ the thief and the redneck, or are people all different after all? request
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 46
            -10%
            with those ensigns with whom I personally communicated, thieves, etc. Here people write that there are normal ensigns ... well, I, too, can only shrug my shoulders request
            1. bovig
              bovig 19 June 2016 18: 48
              +6
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              with those ensigns with whom I personally communicated, thieves, etc. Here people write that there are normal ensigns ... well, I, too, can only shrug my shoulders request

              Well, it just so happens ... Who in what environment revolved, he endured such an experience ...
            2. unsinkable
              unsinkable 19 June 2016 20: 51
              +3
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              with those ensigns with whom I personally communicated - thieves

              Ivan Arnoldovich, could you clarify how many ensigns honored you with their attention: 1785,517,23, 2. hi And it will become clear on the basis of what you are screaming everyone.
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 28
        -11%
        Well, I’m not saying that everyone needs one comb .. I respect the military service, those who really give themselves to the Motherland
        1. PKK
          PKK 19 June 2016 15: 09
          -5
          I will serve while my hands are on.
        2. Bizer
          Bizer 19 June 2016 17: 09
          +9
          Citizen, where did you serve? Have you heard anything about combat duty? About ensuring the military security of the state, junior specialists of the Strategic Missile Forces? No need to crow about what you saw on the TV show "Army Shop" on your TV in the kitchen!
      3. Number 17
        Number 17 19 June 2016 14: 38
        +4
        Here the army stood on such ensigns and will stand.
    6. DerSamowar
      DerSamowar 19 June 2016 14: 20
      +11
      Not at all. I had a foreman - senior warrant officer K., in the armed forces since the days of the Soviet Army. A good-natured man did everything for soldiers and barracks. A wonderful foreman and just a very nice person. And this is not visible from the outside, but I talked to him personally and a lot, because was a captain. So you're wrong, man.
      1. marshes
        marshes 19 June 2016 14: 28
        +5
        Quote: DerSamowar
        Not at all. I had a foreman - senior warrant officer K., in the armed forces since the days of the Soviet Army. A good-natured man did everything for soldiers and barracks. A wonderful foreman and just a very nice person. And this is not visible from the outside, but I talked to him personally and a lot, because was a captain. So you're wrong, man.

        Before my father retired, even though he was already a captain, the soldiers asked to bring photographs from the service, they bought a photo album themselves and made a demobilization album. So father was respected from the fact that he began his service with a soldier. Among the detachment he received only one album from the soldiers. , I myself was a goldfinch and felt on myself, then I went to APA, then to TZ, when in the summer I "hung" at the airfield.
    7. Mitek
      Mitek 19 June 2016 14: 27
      +17
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      The ensign has only one shoulder strap, the right one, so that it is convenient to carry the bags on the left shoulder fellow How many did not communicate with them, sheer thieves.

      No, Bormental .. Do not drive. The rear guards are all thieves, but also thieving officers like shit at a bathhouse. And at 95 I met great men who saved a lot of hard-boiled boys ... And the ensign is dissent. In 94, before graduation, one ensign fed the school for 3 months with his own money (of course, it is clear where he got them), with the other, I cleaned the toilets from the construction site and exchanged them for all kinds of food, built another fighters and sent mushrooms to the forest promising him whoever collects the oval more. And then in Grozny per two wounded conscripts. Any person will prove himself in an extreme environment. And often not the way you expect it to be.
      PS In general, the best ensign-Shmatko)))
    8. Finches
      Finches 19 June 2016 16: 06
      +9
      Glossary Warrant - a big deal at ... Serdyukov, bad man, had seen enough of American films, where a huge nigra Sergeant manages the aircraft carrier took and canceled our ensign -! Forgot that we are Russia, not America, and the culture of our military ranks evolved for centuries ... I always respectfully recall my foreman of a company of senior warrant officer - my right hand, came into the company before everyone else and left later, but the soldiers were dressed, shod, fed and discipline in the unit, the second hand is the senior technician of the company, all that I needed to go, the head of the unit — the warrant officer — whose specialist to look for, the most experienced hardware chiefs — men with a capital letter, at first, when I accepted a platoon after the school, they helped me and when I started to command a 26-man company, it’s a pleasure! Yes and then "Most of the warrant officers I met on my way were excellent specialists and decent people! The layer in our army between the officer corps and the soldiers and sergeants!"
      1. marshes
        marshes 19 June 2016 16: 24
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        The sensible ensign is a big deal!

        We, no longer with me, have switched to the American system of training middle-level personnel. Something has changed, not a fig. Conscripts die without a charter, although they serve for a year and the "grandfathers" are formed again.
        this is something in the "brain", you have to do.
        Well, and post-crypto, we have an appeal between the military men Mr., longing for Comrade or in our transcription Zholdos, so if it’s real for the Kazakh Mr. it’s Myrza but it’s at the PKK.
        In short, bullshit is the sergeants and all-army sergeants, we want the old ranks to come, the same elders, warrant officers and art. warrant officers.
    9. Finches
      Finches 19 June 2016 16: 58
      +7
      You are not lucky doctor with a circle of friends ... laughing

      But seriously, it took a lot of pain - how many people you just insulted right now!
      1. marshes
        marshes 19 June 2016 17: 16
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        You are not lucky doctor with a circle of friends ..

        I don’t know what kind of doctor he is.
        For me, all the military doctors are gods, by the way, and my wife ...
        It was so great that my back was sewn up.
        I can’t understand where Bormental could meet with the warrant officer, this is only if the nurse was wearing uniform laughing Well, they didn’t give, although what is happening on a sexual basis is hz laughing
    10. bistrov.
      bistrov. 19 June 2016 17: 25
      +6
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      The ensign has only one shoulder strap, the right one, so that it is convenient to carry the bags on the left shoulder

      If you had warrant officers-thieves, it means that you are not all right with this matter at the command. Do you know the Russian proverb that fish rots from the head? Presumably, you envy the ensigns that they had the opportunity to steal, if you put you in a financially responsible position, you would, I think, steal a lot more. But you need to be able to steal in order not to get caught and go to jail. You also need to have a head. And you did not read the message carefully. What can a signalman, programmer and power engineer steal? To drag off a transformer substation on your shoulders? In the Armed Forces there have long been no financially responsible persons of warrant officers, all these positions are occupied by civilian specialists, even the food of the personnel is at the mercy of private firms. As practice has shown, generals and senior officers were much more likely to become traitors and thieves than warrant officers. How did the "Czechs" know all the plans for the redeployment of troops and offensives? Did the ensigns give out? Who threw weapons depots in Chechnya, stuffed to the eyeballs with weapons and ammunition? Presumably not free. Warrant officers too?
      As for discipline in the companies, it was kept mainly by foremen-warrant officers. Platoon commanders were green lieutenants. Some of them shied away from the soldiers as if from fire. They themselves had to be brought up for two years, then allowed to the soldier. A soldier is usually a subtle psychologist. He needs a firm hand, then there will be order and result. And if there is no such hand in the company, there are non-regulations, and drunkenness, and whatever you want. So, you are wrong, Mr. Bormental.
    11. Dart2027
      Dart2027 19 June 2016 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      How many did not communicate with them, continuous thief

      It's not about warrant officers. It just so happened that it was the ensigns who were put in office by the heads of the warehouses - they would put in lieutenants, it would be the same.
      1. marshes
        marshes 19 June 2016 17: 57
        +1
        Quote: Dart2027
        would put lieutenants, it would be the same.

        Here, only officers, if they steal on a large scale, at least we had the honor of having shot themselves at the workplace, although they could have justified ourselves in court. Having written off to the junior command staff.
    12. Semyonych
      Semyonych 19 June 2016 22: 43
      +2
      You are wrong. For example, I was familiar with a warrant officer. Perhaps he would have filled your face for "bazaar".
    13. Homo
      Homo 19 June 2016 23: 09
      +2
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      How many did not communicate with them, sheer thieves.

      Perhaps you were in your circle? wink
  2. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 19 June 2016 13: 45
    -17%
    The word "ensign" is associated with the overwhelming majority of understanding people with the words "chest", "hamster", "crest", "nesun", "bad boy", etc.
    Maybe rename them somehow?
    1. marshes
      marshes 19 June 2016 13: 56
      +5
      Quote: iliitch
      The word "ensign" is associated with the overwhelming majority of understanding people with the words "chest", "hamster", "crest", "nesun", "bad boy", etc.
      Maybe rename them somehow?

      I also apologize "piece".
      Why rename it to be Sergeant Major or something like that ...
    2. corporal
      corporal 19 June 2016 13: 56
      +5
      Quote: iliitch
      Maybe rename them somehow?

      Unterofitser?
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 19 June 2016 14: 04
        +4
        Quote: Corporal
        Unterofitser?

        When warrant officers appeared in our army, for a long time, out of habit, they were called "foreman", at least in our division, unofficially, they were addressed to them. (1973-75)
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 19 June 2016 14: 21
        0
        Chet article inspired ...
    3. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 13
      -21%
      Prapory minus)))
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 14: 19
        +14
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Prapory minus)))

        Officers are also minus, do not worry. Well, the corporal also)) A good commander doesn’t rub anything. And with dol-ba - always welcome. Sucker is fate
      2. marshes
        marshes 19 June 2016 14: 30
        +8
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Prapory minus)))

        Well, I’m a cap.
  3. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 June 2016 13: 47
    +3
    Military service will show who is worth what.
    Let's hope that at the duty station the selection will be tough.
    1. DerSamowar
      DerSamowar 19 June 2016 14: 24
      -1
      Grieving you, buddy. There will be no hard selection. Everything from the bulldozer is done, in any case, I’m absolutely sure about the 28th Guards Missile Division, where I had the pleasure of military service.
      1. DerSamowar
        DerSamowar 20 June 2016 16: 42
        0
        What are you minus? You weren’t even there, you don’t know how these Yars were re-equipped through one place. And minus everything. Learn to face the truth, citizens.
  4. corporal
    corporal 19 June 2016 13: 53
    +2
    communication specialists, specialists in the field of energy supply, experts in the field of information security
    The main thing is that there are no storekeepers. wassat
  5. Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 June 2016 13: 54
    -13%
    I don’t see the field of application of this category, who studied for 2 years 6 months, in the Strategic Missile Forces .. Maybe someone will tell me?
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 19 June 2016 14: 14
      -15%
      Quote: Angry 55
      I don’t see the field of application of this category, who studied for 2 years 6 months, in the Strategic Missile Forces .. Maybe someone will tell me?


      I agree, in the overwhelming majority of cases, the ensign is appendicitis of the Armed Forces. Contract sergeants will cope with their work.
      1. RUBEROID
        RUBEROID 19 June 2016 21: 39
        +4
        well yes. I, as "appendicitis", served on a crocodile (HBO) of the S-300 complex as an HRD technician, and dragged the service guarding our sky. What did you do? Have a rectum?
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 19 June 2016 21: 57
          +3
          Quote...
          I do not see the scope of this category, trained 2 years 6 months, in the Strategic Missile Forces

          I agree, in the vast majority of cases the ensign is appendicitis of the Armed Forces

          It’s immediately obvious that the ANALISTS gathered ... fool
  6. 76rtbr
    76rtbr 19 June 2016 13: 58
    +6
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    The ensign has only one shoulder strap, the right one, so that it is convenient to carry the bags on the left shoulder fellow How many did not communicate with them, sheer thieves.

    offended by our brother, who is he who in conscience?
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 21
      -14%
      I’m not offended at all, I’m a doctor and my conscience is clean .. I don’t take money and I don’t beg for money from patients ... but I talked with your brother in the form of patients, and they told me how they didn’t call their soldier brother ..
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 June 2016 14: 25
        +14
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        I am a doctor and my conscience is clean .. I don’t take it and don’t beg for money from patients ...

        Yes nuuuuu. belay Oh, I'll tell you stories about doctors. yes
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 14: 21
      -9
      I’m not offended at all, I’m a doctor and my conscience is clean .. I don’t take money and I don’t beg for money from patients ... but I talked with your brother in the form of patients, and they told me how they didn’t call their soldier brother ..
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 June 2016 14: 30
        +12
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        .. I don’t take and don’t beg for money from patients

        And you do not carry alcohol? laughing
      2. gg.na
        gg.na 20 June 2016 00: 17
        +2
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        they do not have their own brother-soldier.

        Sorry doctor, but even I had a desire to put a minus to you, although I am far from being a warrant officer winked . No offense to you, of course, but I honestly admitted! repeat
    3. DerSamowar
      DerSamowar 19 June 2016 14: 31
      +2
      He is not a warrant officer at all, otherwise he would know that the warrant officer will always find a soldier who will carry bags. A resourceful soldier will always find a car and the bag will be lucky, but not carry. As a result, both the ensign will be satisfied, and the soldier will not bother to bother himself, but will also find time to resolve and smoke while he is carrying this bag. Such is the rhetoric of army life :)
  7. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 19 June 2016 13: 59
    +1
    As my father used to say (a stock lieutenant colonel at the present time) everything that was created by the Soviet people belongs to an ensign and must be safely hidden from him. I remember my pieces and adhere to the same point of view. In general, I hope that we will finally get an analogue of the American sergeant of that same screaming neg
    ra hat
    1. bovig
      bovig 19 June 2016 19: 13
      0
      Quote: Novel 1977
      As my father used to say (a stock lieutenant colonel at the present time) everything that was created by the Soviet people belongs to an ensign and must be safely hidden from him. I remember my pieces and adhere to the same point of view. In general, I hope that we will finally get an analogue of the American sergeant of that same screaming neg
      ra hat

      I do not argue! But how? Caesar - Caesarean and the like to like! All by God's justice!)))
  8. corporal
    corporal 19 June 2016 14: 01
    0
    Quote: iliitch
    The word "ensign" is associated with the overwhelming majority of understanding people with the words "chest", "hamster", "crest", "nesun", "bad boy", etc.

    Our PNSh called them "affectionately": "Praporyugi-3,14..ryugi"
  9. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 19 June 2016 14: 02
    +9
    Quote: iliitch
    The word "ensign" is associated with the overwhelming majority of understanding people with the words "chest", "hamster", "crest", "nesun", "bad boy", etc.

    In general, this link in the sun is necessary. Another thing is that any sound idea with a stupid execution can be reduced to absurdity. So it happened with the Soviet / Russian ensigns. Hence all these nicknames about them.
    Specialists were trained in three areas: communication specialists, specialists in the field of energy supply, and experts in the field of information security. The training program takes from 2 years to 6 months. until 2 years 10 months
    But the preparation is serious.
  10. moskowit
    moskowit 19 June 2016 14: 14
    +9
    This is a completely new formation. Sub-officers who will occupy the positions of specialists, the so-called middle management. And the current training of warrant officers for these positions should not be confused with the schools of warrant officers of half-year training in the 70-80s, which make it possible to occupy the posts of foremen of companies, batteries and other positions in the "department" of the chief of the rear and the backyard ... year, the time has come and "land" .... And that the rank of warrant officer (the first officer rank in the imperial army, equal to a junior lieutenant) does not reflect the state of this contingent of over-conscripts is on the conscience of military and political figures of the USSR Ministry of Defense. The rank of ensign and midshipman was introduced by order of January 1, 1972 ...
    "... In the Armed Forces of the USSR, the rank of warrant officer was introduced on January 1, 1972 (simultaneously with the rank of warrant officer, Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of November 18, 1971) ..."
    Although the naval lads were reintroduced with the title of midshipman for super-conscripts, it was already for this category in the RKKF, it should not have "shocked" Truth, too, a kind of skew. In the Imperial Navy, the rank of "midshipman" was in the tenth class of the Table of Ranks, which corresponded to the rank of "lieutenant" (senior lieutenant) in the ground forces or collegiate secretary in a civilian department.
    For reference: the super-conscripts of the Imperial Navy bore the title of "conductor" ...
    1. moskowit
      moskowit 19 June 2016 19: 43
      +1
      The state and the Ministry of Defense have always attached great importance to this category of servicemen. For them, the Ministry of Defense issued a special magazine, by the way I remember from the library of the House of Officers a rather interesting one, "Sergeant Major Sergeant", like "Soviet Warrior" ...
      "" STAFF-SERGEANT "

      "STARSHINA-SERGEANT", from Jan. 1974 - "Standard Bearer", monthly soldier. illustrated magazine, organ of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
      USSR defense. Comes out from Oct. 1960 in Moscow, designed for soldiers, sailors,
      sergeants, foremen, ensigns and warrant officers. Magazine covers life and service
      warriors of all kinds Armament. Forces, heroic. feats accomplished by warriors in battles
      for freedom and independence of the motherland, issues of military education and training,
      tech. training personnel. Published materials on life and combat
      study of soldiers of fraternal armies. Stories, essays, poems, critical and bibliographic are printed
      articles."
  11. moskowit
    moskowit 19 June 2016 14: 37
    +2
    "... And so it happened with the Soviet / Russian ensigns. Hence all these nicknames about them ..."

    This is not true. Long before the appearance of the glorious tribe of ensigns, the comrades had already received very unpleasant nicknames. In the Soviet Army, and perhaps in the Red Army, persons engaged in very complex work on the supply and feeding of personnel, in the opinion of this composition, had the opportunity to "warm their hands" in the performance of their official duties, which in most cases is not true, but from the "song You can't throw out words, "the position itself, the weak in spirit, provoked unrighteous actions ...
  12. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 19 June 2016 14: 41
    -11%
    Wow, how many "chests" are found. And finally, a little trolling for ensigns. I repeat, and no one will convince me otherwise: in the overwhelming majority, warrant officers of the Soviet Army are poorly educated ballast, appendicitis of the USSR Armed Forces. hi
    1. marshes
      marshes 19 June 2016 14: 51
      +7
      Quote: iliitch
      : Warrant officers of the Soviet Army is a poorly educated ballast, appendicitis of the Armed Forces of the USSR.

      So many people congratulated my father, 70 years old, over the phone last year, mainly from Russia and Ukraine, well, local people, congratulators all flew with his father or those Bort he served. -This is about education, if they congratulate it means they are still alive.
      Each holiday, a radio operator, a navigator, a flight engineer, with whom he flew, plus a TEC call, come and congratulate. These are those who stayed in Kazakhstan. Plus operators, IL-20.
  13. Hauptam
    Hauptam 19 June 2016 15: 17
    +4
    Ensign you assistant officer, there was such a song in Soviet times. Anyone who studies for 2-3 years, this is not the same and the illiteracy of the beginning. warehouses and storage facilities. This is a new approach.
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  15. Senior manager
    Senior manager 19 June 2016 15: 39
    +16
    Judging by the statements, many commentators did not serve at all, and conclusions are drawn from jokes and videos with the Nagiyevs. And the miserables do not know - where the equipment is complicated, the midshipman and ensign served there, and how many lieutenants of the midshipman and ensigns helped to become cool specialists. And about one shoulder strap, I can say the following: the ensign (from the MTO) carried on his shoulder, the senior officer drove by car, the commander sent in wagons - draw conclusions yourself. And I can sympathize with all the scoffers - they did not see the real midshipmen and ensigns. IMHO.
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 19 June 2016 16: 55
      +5
      That's right. Plus. Remember those who served, how many gandons were among the rank and file, those who are with you?
    2. German Titov
      German Titov 19 June 2016 20: 18
      +6
      "Plusanul" with pleasure. Whoever "jokes" over the ensigns (midshipmen) is most likely the commanders of the Far East. Do not be offended by the flawed. 7 "b" is not a diagnosis - a ticket to life. You can "become a speaker of the VRU."
  16. marshes
    marshes 19 June 2016 15: 47
    +3
    At the expense of alcohol, a bike from his father, in the years of "dry law" and "inspectors" from Moscow became frequent visitors, they flew for Talgar alcohol, by the way, the highest grade.
    So you need to take the bosses away, those cans and flasks took the crew with you, well, pour a third from each tank. At height, there will be expansion of the liquid, there may still be a fire. Physics. They obediently agreed, although a fifth was enough. laughing
    They also flew for mutton and saigachatina from Moscow, themselves ....
    BTA is a thing and the GRU air wing is even cooler. smile
  17. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 June 2016 15: 52
    +5
    Do not drive against ensigns, now he has gone wrong. The country is a little different. Although he himself met tightly, and he could insert his boot into the dialogue. I don’t see the point.
  18. givigor71
    givigor71 19 June 2016 15: 53
    +6
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Prapory minus)))


    Colonels are also minus ...
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 19 June 2016 16: 14
      +4
      And the "marshals" winked although in life beyond the major has not matured, forgive ukramiya ... obscenities should not respond. And as you want.
  19. Abbra
    Abbra 19 June 2016 16: 24
    +9
    I served and demobilized as an ordinary in the 77th of the last century. Enough talk. In our twenty-first century, more than one ensign has become the Hero of Russia (go, at worst, to the Wiki). And in any herd there is always a black sheep. And among ordinary soldiers, and among sergeants, warrant officers, officers, generals, etc.
    1. i80186
      i80186 19 June 2016 17: 17
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      In our twenty-first century, more than one ensign has become the Hero of Russia (go, at worst, to the Wiki).

      I wonder who it is with you? And here is Vicki.

      In modern Russia, many warrant officers of the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia have been awarded the high title of Hero of the Russian Federation.
      Barinov Sergey Mikhailovich - police driver
      Garmash Artyom Vladimirovich - sniper mobile special forces
      Dneprovsky Andrey Vladimirovich - commander of a grenade-machine-gun platoon
      Katunkin Artyom Viktorovich - employee of the special forces unit
      Kozlov Oleg Anatolyevich - sniper
      Tereshkin Oleg Viktorovich - deputy platoon commander of the special forces
      Shantsev Sergey Vladimirovich - deputy commander of the intelligence group
      (W)
  20. kenig1
    kenig1 19 June 2016 17: 05
    +6
    I remember that in 2009, the NGS Makarov arrived, and with the look of a great reformer, told us about the bright future of the RF Armed Forces, including without warrant officers (except for foremen companies), they were reduced. and the internal troops took most of them to themselves, when they removed the stools they refused to return back.
  21. earloop
    earloop 19 June 2016 18: 04
    +4
    To ensure the serviceability and reliable operation of complex technical systems, technicians, warrant officers and warrant officers, and even those who have undergone special training in military universities, are simply necessary! It is good that the era of the above-mentioned "hero of the NGSH" has gone into oblivion.
  22. weksha50
    weksha50 19 June 2016 18: 33
    +7
    I read the comments, and that's what I wanted to say ...

    In his service, he passed all ranks from the rank-and-file (military service) to the lieutenant colonel, bypassing only two categories of ranks - ensign and junior lieutenant ...

    And from experience I can say: there are different as ensigns and officers, as well as generals ...

    And to insult them without reproach means to have no common sense ... I did not expect from Dr. Bormental ... Usually his comments are balanced ...

    I met such ensigns for my service, without which I, the lieutenant and the older one (and in the future as well) would often not be able to cope ... There were, I hope there are, and there will also be normal men who are of great help to the officer-commander. ..

    And the rear-zavskladas are not the essence of the Armed Forces ... They have always stolen, will steal and will steal ...

    PS Here - and to the place. and out of place - today the news flashed about the first issue in the Sevastopol ChVVMU them. Nakhimov ... Only 15 lieutenants and 17 midshipmen (and all midshipmen are from Guinea Bissau) ... Not much, but the beginning has been laid ...

    And 50 people - warrant officers in three specialties in the Strategic Missile Forces - are also not so few ... Still, they are now being given secondary vocational education precisely in their profile, and this costs a lot ...
  23. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 June 2016 19: 23
    +2
    Quote: Militon
    Prapor praporu strife. Why so indiscriminately? Not all warrant officers are storekeepers.

    ... "It is reported that" young professionals were trained in three areas: communications specialists, energy specialists, information security specialists. "
  24. marshes
    marshes 19 June 2016 19: 58
    +3
    By the way, I have a relative, a warrant officer in Mari El, drove a multi-wheeled chassis, now a pensioner. Here’s a link to him. laughing He quit not long ago.
    I hope I "stole" a lot that now works as a guard in the store.
    In Marie Ele fishing is bespontovaya but now the sun sets at 24 o'clock and rises at 2 00, light ....
    Flight to Kazan ....
  25. German Titov
    German Titov 19 June 2016 20: 13
    +4
    "Everything that is created by the People belongs to the" ensign "." "HZ" 80 percent, in life were normal "prapora". In the fleet there are "midshipmen" (that is, "chests". "Chests # we are" chests ", and no one will give us hands). Idiosynchrosis about the epaulettes of the" lieutenant general "with toy stars do not feel. I release" respect. " Prapora "in the troops, sometimes they were specialists, the officers" smoked nervously. "
  26. German Titov
    German Titov 19 June 2016 20: 34
    +4
    And the theme is that the "Strategic Missile Forces graduated warrant officers" (read specialists). Those who do not know (sofa strategists) immediately began to remember the "boorish elders". I personally remember the "Guards of Senior Warrant Officer Yakov Demyanishin" who died at Karvangakh. And I do not remember my elders Vlasov and Mosintsev evil. Passed the release of specialists, "good luck." Someone wants to bow to the enemy - I do not.
  27. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 19 June 2016 20: 46
    +6
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    Prapory minus)))


    Warrant officers are professional military men. In any profession, there is a certain percentage of scum, thieves or excellent specialists. Judging by individual representatives (the source is most likely anecdotes and stories is very informative) about the profession as a whole is, to put it mildly, wrong.
    ps I'm not a warrant officer.
  28. masiya
    masiya 19 June 2016 22: 01
    +2
    The most important throwing is over ... then there is no need for warrant officers and warrant officers, then all of a sudden it seems like it is necessary ... and without them there is no way .., but it is finally necessary to decide, because there is a need, and there is a certain amount of work, and tasks to perform there is ...., so we hope everything settles down and will be further stable ... THE ENTREPRENEURS - THERE IS !!! and be ...
  29. Old26
    Old26 19 June 2016 22: 23
    +2
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    How many did not communicate with them, sheer thieves.

    Then you are out of luck. For more than 20 years of work ("fishing") I had to deal with not only officers, but also warrant officers. And I have the best impression of their professional level. Some were not easy SPECIALISTS с BIG LETTER. They were ASAMI. At one time I had to work with a warrant officer who was studying at the Moscow Technical University at that time. God forbid that every civilian specialist understand his business, like this ensign
    1. German Titov
      German Titov 19 June 2016 23: 02
      +2
      So I am about the same. "Chatter" is not spared, maybe an enema was inserted "disproportionate". I don't know, I respect Praporov !!! 1983-1985 "OKSVA" - we had such "Prapora", sho the generality of the Armed Forces of Ukraine nervously smokes. And the Officers - with a capital letter. "Ussuriysk Higher Military Automobile Command School", "Samarkand Higher Military Command School", "Donetsk Higher Military-Political School named after General of the Army Epishev (forgot initials (did not study there)).
  30. Buffet
    Buffet 19 June 2016 23: 18
    0
    we, civilians, like in this audience a lecture was
  31. Evil 55
    Evil 55 20 June 2016 02: 52
    +3
    In vain you are so about warrant officers .. They have always been and remain the main reserve for filling the command posts of out-of-order officers. And far from all of them are "thugs, drunks and obscene personalities." He himself served in the uniform of a warrant officer for 8 years .. SME services.