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St. Petersburg as a field for experiments? Akhmat Kadyrov Bridge and a plate in memory of Karl Mannerheim

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In the past few days, St. Petersburg is not only the cultural, but also the media capital of Russia. And it's not just about holding the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum. The St. Petersburg media attention draws attention at least in connection with two more events that St. Petersburgers themselves and all Russians are witnessing today. Speech about the events, with the discussion of which "VO", perhaps, was somewhat delayed, however, if one can put it that way, having received a certain kind of impulse after the publication of one of the ex-deputies of the State Duma on the Facebook page, the degree of the topic is such that it is strange to postpone the discussion.


So, we are talking about: a) assigning the bridge across the Duderhof Canal by the governor of St. Petersburg Georgy Poltavchenko to the name of the first President of Chechnya Akhmat Kadyrov, b) the opening of a memorial plaque in honor of Karl Gustav Emil Mannerheim on the facade of the Military Academy of Material and Technical Support on Peter’s Street.

In order not to dump everything, it is worth making an attempt to understand the situation in stages. At first - that one of the bridges of the northern capital was named in honor of the first president of the Chechen Republic.

To get started is to submit a publication in Facebook the above-mentioned ex-deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation. Speech about Konstantin Rykov, the material of which caused a heated discussion on the Web (for reference: K. Rykov - general producer of the electronic publication “Vzglyad.ru”) (spelling, punctuation and stylistics of the author are preserved):

About Kadyrov's bridge I really wanted to write a few words. As having read the kamenty to my previous post, I realized that this topic had even broken through adequate people.

Personally, my opinion is that the renaming of streets, bridges and squares should be the responsibility of the deputies of the city duma. If they are for, then at least the square named after Hitler (of course not) open up. Our municipalities (as a rule) are random people ... and they should not be given such benefits. Chaos will begin.
Now to the point: All of you (who are against) are real hypocrites and victims of cheap liberal propaganda. Spit at me as you like, write any nasty things. On this issue .. I will stand until the end. Because the question is fundamental!

Who is Akhmat Kadyrov? This is a great man! Which was so historically reasonable that it found the strength to stop the war and abandon Jihad with Russia. This feat of his ... saved tens of thousands of lives on both sides. Maybe even hundreds of thousands or millions.

There is no Caucasus in the Russian Federation .. now it would not be. And Tatarstan would not exist. And Rostov and Krasnodar would be part of Poland, not even Ukraine. And about the Far East .. I generally keep quiet. There would be no modern Russia. Our Rashenka favorite.

If you do not understand this, then you are utter idiots or employees of Radio Liberty. Well .. or just kids.

And not because the Chechens would have captured everything. Of course not.

The war in Chechnya was a consequence of the collapse of the USSR and the escalation of the conflict .. would automatically spread further. In Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabarda, Ossetia, Rostov and Krasnodar. And further, further, further ...

Was this bridge given to you? No one even knows where he is. Maybe it does not exist at all?

In honor of Akhmat Kadyrov, you need to name a thousand bridges, streets and squares! Russia is big. There are a lot of bridges, streets and squares.

Here you are? Every day, walk on Lenin Street. Get down to the subway station Voikovskaya. Come to the alley Vasi Pupkin. Does it really bother you? Yes, you spit with a high bell tower .. who were these people.

And here! Suddenly! Has it become important to you?

"We will call the bridge Akhmatovsky" .. write right now to me in kamentah.

Aha Let's! In honor of whom only? Literature in the school did not read?
In honor of the main drug addict "Silver Age", which was dodged with cocaine, so that even forgot that her son .. Lev Nikolayevich Gumilev was put in a Stalinist gulag?

In short, stop fooling around. Turn on the brain.


If this is not a trolling of the 80 level, then strongly ... In principle, this is just one of the opinions that could have been completely ignored, but it turns out that if someone opposes the assignment of one or another geographical object names without taking into account the opinion of the majority (well, democracy also consists in this - even sovereign, at least some), then such a person can be called in one moment “a hypocrite and a victim of cheap liberal propaganda”. And about the “Hitler's Square”, which, if they want, it is possible for the deputies, then it’s possible, but it’s not like it’s necessary, the ex-parliamentarian goes too far behind all possible sticks. Declaring the role of Akhmat Kadyrov in the fact that Chechnya remained part of Russia (and this role really exists), the person immediately tries to give out, to put it mildly, a strange comparison - with that very hypothetical name square ... And if someone disagrees bite it, you are a hypocrite, a traitor and a victim of liberalism. Oh, how ...

No, it is, of course, clear that Akhmat Kadyrov is not the last person in the matter of preserving the Chechen Republic as part of Russia, but ... why Peter, why the bridge? .. Since we decided not to be interested in the opinions of the citizens of the country, then it was possible not interested in it to the end - to go much further - to rename some regional center or a single republic. Or still, the assignment of the name of the first president of the Chechen Republic to the bridge is a kind of balance between an attempt to make a gift to a well-known leader of the Russian region and geographical adequacy. There is an opinion that Akhmat-Khadzhi himself would be quite surprised by the decision of the St. Petersburg authorities and, given the scale of the personality, he would hardly have been pleased with the decision.

It seems that the decision itself of the St. Petersburg authorities fit into an attempt to feed the hamsters and once again including such posts as that of the respected Konstantin Rykov, to poison Russians with different views. But why? - the question ...

Much the same can be said about the memorial plaque in honor of Mannerheim on the facade of the military academy. And here is the question not only and not so much to the regional authorities.

St. Petersburg as a field for experiments? Akhmat Kadyrov Bridge and a plate in memory of Karl Mannerheim


From the statement of the head of the presidential administration, Sergey Ivanov:
As the saying goes, you can't throw the words out of the song. No one is going to whitewash Mannerheim after 1918, but he served Russia until 1918, and if he was really frank, he lived and served in Russia longer than he served and lived in Finland.


And this statement of the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky to cry out from the crowd “Shame!”:
You do not have to be holier than the Pope, and you don’t have to try to be a great patriot and a communist than Joseph Stalin, who personally defended Mannerheim.


Logic, of course, has the right to exist, but it is very slippery. By the same logic, the Ministry of Culture, it turns out, should immediately look for a place to open a plate in honor of Alfred Rosenberg, who was of Russian origin, one of the ideologists of the NSDAP, whose works were used when writing "Mein Kampf" Hitler. It is worth recalling that it was from Rosenberg's pen that the phrase “the final solution of the Jewish question” belongs. Why sign? Well, of course ... Rosenberg graduated from the Moscow Higher Technical School in 1918, receiving an engineering degree from an architect. Mannerheim - an ally of Hitler - is possible, but Rosenberg is impossible? ..


On the right is the very Mannerheim, the memorial plaque to which is open in St. Petersburg.


Wait, what about General Vlasov? By the same logic, it is urgent and in honor of him something to open and call ... It turns out that this is only "later" Vlasov began to cooperate with the Nazis and organized the ROA, and "before that" he was an "exemplary soldier". ..

Frankly, emotions are overwhelming. This is bad, we need a weighted, weighed ... And if weighed, the opening of the board in honor of the aforementioned Mannerheim occurred against the background that many of those who served the Russian (Soviet) Fatherland did not open any memorial plaques to the last drop of blood. Forgive generously, but the decision about St. Petersburg assignments and discoveries is very difficult to call provocation, taking into account the opinion of ordinary Petersburgers, who are also perplexed, wondering: “Why?!” ... - If to demonstrate historical cosmopolitanism, but against the background of marked selectivity to personalities, is there a threat to finally get confused in the approaches to stories and brew thick porridge, which, God forbid, will have to be eaten by descendants who will surely remember us with strong words ...

The reaction in St. Petersburg to the opening of the Mannerheim plate on the following day after the ceremony:
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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 20 June 2016 06: 11
    +48
    So that in my hometown to name the bridge of the militant, this is some kind of madhouse.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 20 June 2016 06: 24
      +32
      But to the question about the board of "memory" of Mannerheim, video:
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 20 June 2016 12: 45
        +16

        And this is the question of the name of the bridge
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 20 June 2016 14: 34
          +3
          And this is the question of the name of the bridge


          To name a bridge in St. Petersburg in honor of Akhmat is stupid of course. But still, do not forget that thanks to Akhmat, a very terrible fire was extinguished, which could cover the floor of Russia. The lives of thousands of our soldiers have been saved. Although the methods of dealing with Akhmat were not very clean, but where will you find a clean war? In war, a thoroughbred is shot without regret along with a traitor. And I’m doing it right. From that, the main result. Personally, I, as technically in business at one time, believe that any attacks on the Kadyrov family in the past are the most undisguised provocation, hoping to rekindle a fire in the Caucasus. One who does not understand this, Dr. Urak, otherwise, the enemy. Returning to the concept of wartime, there is no difference between the two, except for one, Dr. Cancer is much more dangerous.
          1. twviewer
            twviewer 20 June 2016 14: 46
            +22
            Quote: Asadullah
            To name a bridge in St. Petersburg in honor of Akhmat is stupid of course. But still, do not forget that thanks to Akhmat, a very terrible fire was extinguished, which could cover the floor of Russia. The lives of thousands of our soldiers have been saved. Although the methods of dealing with Akhmat were not very clean, but where will you find a clean war? In war, a thoroughbred is shot without regret along with a traitor. And I’m doing it right. From that, the main result. Personally, I, as technically in business at one time, believe that any attacks on the Kadyrov family in the past are the most undisguised provocation, hoping to rekindle a fire in the Caucasus. One who does not understand this, Dr. Urak, otherwise, the enemy. Returning to the concept of wartime, there is no difference between the two, except for one, Dr. Cancer is much more dangerous.

            that is, I am a Petersburger and a Russian should also thank him? d u rk to the one who does not understand WHO saved Kadyrov and why.
            1. twviewer
              twviewer 20 June 2016 15: 29
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              Quote: twviewer
              the one who does not understand WHO saved Kadyrov and why.

              By the way, the president spoke unambiguously on this score. You can shoot, you are an officer. Video to put?
            2. Asadullah
              Asadullah 20 June 2016 15: 47
              -7
              that is, I am a Petersburger and a Russian should also thank him? d u rk to the one who does not understand WHO saved Kadyrov and why.


              If you owe it to someone, then it is entirely up to you and the business of your creditor. A smart person should only understand. A misunderstanding is dangerous by the degree of its misunderstanding. Lack of experience is fixable; lack of mind is tragic.
              1. twviewer
                twviewer 20 June 2016 15: 58
                +3
                Quote: Asadullah
                If you owe it to someone, then it is entirely up to you and the business of your creditor. A smart person should only understand. A misunderstanding is dangerous by the degree of its misunderstanding. Lack of experience is fixable; lack of mind is tragic.

                liberal values ​​instead of arguments? Replies instead, a shot in the weight? So who is the irresponsible or intentional provocateur here? And who called for whom to kill and how many were killed are you no longer interested? The officer.
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 20 June 2016 16: 24
                  +7
                  liberal values ​​instead of arguments


                  There is only one argument, there is no war in the Caucasus. Crime is several times lower than in Moscow. Any manifestations of extremism are destroyed physically, without bothering the courts. What else? Do you want to pull out the old dirty linen and hang it on the boulevard? I'm afraid you will not be allowed precisely because of the absence of these very liberal values.

                  In the history of Russia there were many facts when the enemy became a friend. In the past many, many unrighteous deeds and mutual guilt remained, to evaluate which was left to the will of the Almighty. Such a creature, man. He buries his dead in the ground, and does not carry with him until the dust wakes up through his fingers. Buries and commemorates, on holidays and so on, under the third glass.

                  An officer, this is a soldier, and the soldier’s job is to fulfill orders. For the dead, I'm sorry, I have no question.
                  1. twviewer
                    twviewer 20 June 2016 16: 56
                    +5
                    Quote: Asadullah
                    There is only one argument, there is no war in the Caucasus. Crime is several times lower than in Moscow. Any manifestations of extremism are destroyed physically, without bothering the courts. What else? Do you want to pull out the old dirty linen and hang it on the boulevard? I'm afraid you will not be allowed precisely because of the absence of these very liberal values.

                    In the history of Russia there were many facts when the enemy became a friend. In the past many, many unrighteous deeds and mutual guilt remained, to evaluate which was left to the will of the Almighty. Such a creature, man. He buries his dead in the ground, and does not carry with him until the dust wakes up through his fingers. Buries and commemorates, on holidays and so on, under the third glass.

                    An officer, this is a soldier, and the soldier’s job is to fulfill orders. For the dead, I'm sorry, I have no question.

                    In this case, there will be a sign "on the boulevard" and I did not come up with this, so you need to ask the initiator, including whether it offends the memory of the dead. Fairness for. Without annoying the living.
                    1. Asadullah
                      Asadullah 20 June 2016 17: 21
                      +5
                      In this case, there will be a sign "on the boulevard"


                      If it is, it will be stupid, as he wrote above. Akhmat Kadyrov has already entered the history of the latest Caucasian wars. This is the best monument for him and his family. And not only a monument, it is an opportunity to participate in the life of the country. Participate in the forefront. This method is far from democracy, but it is at least honest, in contrast to the democracy of the Western ambassador, which is a set of methods of manipulation and deception.
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 20 June 2016 20: 31
                        +5
                        It seems that the decision itself of the St. Petersburg authorities fit into an attempt to feed the hamsters and once again including such posts as that of the respected Konstantin Rykov, to poison Russians with different views. But why? - the question ...

                        ... hardly ... rather exactly the opposite ... a kind of Forgiven Historical Resurrection ... starting with Ivan the Terrible and up to our fans in Marseille ... there is a sensible idea ... Rurikovich will try on with the Romanovs, enough share history until 17, after 17, before 91 after 91 ... red, white ... history is history ... I will not be surprised soon when the monument to Felix Edmundovich returns to its rightful place, but the "squealing" are poked at Yeltsin -center ... the appearance of a monument to I. V. Stalin, for me it will not be something out of the ordinary, V. I. Lenin will be left to lie quietly where he is now ... suddenly on the street. Chapaev, a memorial plaque for Kolchak will appear ... and, the street of 1905 will run into the square of Nicholas II ... Forgiven historical Resurrection ...
                        Quote: Asadullah
                        This method is far from democracy, but it is at least honest, in contrast to the democracy of the Western ambassador, which is a set of methods of manipulation and deception.
                        ... Hello Brother Asadullah ... hi ... true, absolutely true ... our Russian happiness is that we do not have a direct border with the Anglo-Saxons ... otherwise we would have had an account worse than the French ... for 300 years, the 4th Republic and the 2nd Monarchy ... wink ...
                      2. excomandante
                        excomandante 21 June 2016 06: 14
                        0
                        Correct the "dot" key - it sticks ("troit").
                      3. Boatsman_Palych
                        Boatsman_Palych 21 June 2016 12: 34
                        +3
                        I agree with the idea of ​​"Forgiven Sunday" - enough is already divided into white and red, it's time to unite in patriots of Russia, BUT! In the actions of those in power, I see just not this - but the "Overton windows" in action. It's okay that they ONLY whitewash whites, and hang all dogs on red ones. So now the accomplices of the fascists are being transferred from the radical to the acceptable. I have not forgotten the recent attempts of the Russian Orthodox Church to whitewash and put on a pedestal the accomplices of the fascists from the Orthodox priests.
                        I'm waiting for the rehabilitation of Vlasov - he's for Russia against the damned mos ..., ugh - he fought the Bolsheviks, but under the state tricolor! And as soon as possible to equip the Nazi Guard without exception with flamethrowers "bumblebee" - otherwise something many dissenting divorced ...
                2. Beefeater
                  Beefeater 20 June 2016 18: 59
                  +12
                  Crime is lower there than here for one simple reason. They all came here.
                  1. Asadullah
                    Asadullah 20 June 2016 20: 16
                    -4
                    Crime is lower there than here for one simple reason. They all came here.


                    Crime is a summary of a function that consists of ignorance, social aggression and protest, low moral barriers. From this, the Azerbaijani diaspora selling apples makes money many times more than what a supermarket. And criminal income, even drug trafficking, is not suitable for them. If, for example, Azerbaijanis increase criminal statistics, then only bribes to officials and cops. So any diaspora of foreigners rests on trade and construction, but not on crime, earning a living for themselves and the Russian cops with officials.
                    1. cast iron
                      cast iron 20 June 2016 22: 42
                      +7
                      Yes, yes, yes, but the Georgian, Armenian, Chechen, and Azerbaijani mafia do not exist))) Dear friend, would you go to your village home.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 20 June 2016 19: 06
            +6
            Quote: twviewer
            d u r ak the one who does not understand WHO Kadyrov saved and why

            Well, and who?
            1. cast iron
              cast iron 20 June 2016 22: 43
              +9
              He saved his son. I understood that sooner or later Russia would kill all radicals.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 20 June 2016 23: 40
                +3
                Quote: cast iron
                I understood that sooner or later Russia would kill all radicals

                At the time when he went over to the side of Russia, its very existence was in question. Literally. According to the plan of our "partners", VChV was to become the trigger for a new "parade of sovereignties".
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron 21 June 2016 21: 24
                  0
                  Yah? But I remember that the Russian guys and in 1 Chechen guarded the Mujahideen so that they fleeing their cowards and only the shameful, cruel Khasavyurt world did not allow our victory to be affirmed. Akhmat Kadyrov was not an idiot. He experienced in his own skin that he bears the West in the hands of Islamists to him, his family and his small Motherland. And he crossed to the side of Russia right at the beginning of the 2nd Chechen war. Already then it became clear that kirdyk to bearded bandits - they got a Russian bear for 3 years specifically with their sorties to the border areas.
            2. twviewer
              twviewer 20 June 2016 23: 20
              +6
              Quote: Dart2027
              Well, and who?

              There is no secret, he saved the Chechen people, and Putin spoke about this.
  2. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 20 June 2016 06: 31
    +89
    I, as a Leningrader, am outraged! No "royal" merits are not an excuse for Mannerheim! He started a war with the USSR, sending in German troops.

    And enough speculation about the "sentimentality" of Mannerheim! What he allegedly did not want to seize Leningrad. He just did not let the Red Army.

    He is a fascist - and that’s it ...
    1. bastard
      bastard 20 June 2016 09: 00
      +22
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      I, as a Leningrader, am outraged!

      Soon you will be ST. PUTINBURGZH.
      Sorry, I could not help but stumble. I prefer Leningrad, to be honest. You can break a language about a new name. hi
      1. gray smeet
        gray smeet 20 June 2016 10: 21
        +26
        All these boards and bridges without the top leadership of the country would not have done !!! Yes, on TV we tried to vparit the goodness of these new miracles in Leningrad!

        But our government in all its glory, why do you think they shut up their mouths, didn’t it because the KING HIM himself made such a decision ?:



        youtube.com/watch?v=-D3xONtj2hk

        The people ..., Leningraders - take the fuck off the board, all of Russia with you!
        1. Vasiliy16
          Vasiliy16 20 June 2016 13: 09
          -6
          Quote: gray smeet
          But our government in all its glory, why do you think they shut up their mouths, didn’t it because the KING HIM himself made such a decision ?:

          How can you say that?
          The State Department is to blame for everything. Damned Pindo Stan! Smelly Anglo-Saxons.
          And the geyropa fussed right there!
          1. Vasiliy16
            Vasiliy16 20 June 2016 14: 37
            -4
            Quote: Vasiliy16
            Quote: gray smeet
            But our government in all its glory, why do you think they shut up their mouths, didn’t it because the KING HIM himself made such a decision ?:

            How can you say that?
            The State Department is to blame for everything. Damned Pindo Stan! Smelly Anglo-Saxons.
            And the geyropa fussed right there!

            Chubais is to blame!
            1. skullcap
              skullcap 20 June 2016 20: 33
              +5
              Quote: Vasiliy16
              Chubais is to blame!

              That's right.
              A lot of good people have gone prematurely out of life as a result of the vile activities of this criminal.
              It is a pity that the hero Kvachkov failed to eliminate the defects of the prosecutor’s office and the court.
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        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 20 June 2016 21: 37
          +15
          Quote: gray smeet
          And here is our power in all its glory

          Yes, our deputies burned this time. Openly, without much reasoning, they wiped their feet about people and their opinions. There is only one conclusion: the guys have fulfilled their collective obligations to someone. And the point here is not at all in the personality of Akhmat Kadyrov. I have nothing against any of the streets (driveways, bridges, etc.) bearing his name, BUT !!! These ghouls-deputies climbed where their competence, to put it mildly, is insufficient - into the toponymic system of the city. It just so happened that for almost two years I have been living 15 minutes walk from this bridge. All three areas around are the former front line of the defense of Leningrad, or, like my Sosnovaya Polyana, the former occupied territory. And, practically, ALL the toponymy of these areas is associated with the Second World War and the blockade of Leningrad (I myself live on the street. And this bridge connects Geroev avenue and Katernikov street (the area of ​​"marshals and scouts" with the "admiral's" area). At the very least, it is illogical. The same was the position of the protesters, only there was not enough time, everything was arranged too quickly ... Study, colleagues - this is unanimity, this is an organization !!! And, which is typical, our local holy man and obscurantist Milonov appeared in the forefront of the "lobbyists". After that, he is many times more vicious than those whom he himself "pinches". The worst thing is that the Kirovsky region (South-West) is just his "patrimony", where he slowly began to impose "milonism". To manage on a poster by February 23 (near the metro station of Veteranov Ave.) in a row to Alexander Nevsky, Suvorov and Zhukov to squeeze ... Nicholas II is "hellish annealing." So, colleagues ... And, by the way, by the way, in St. Petersburg there is still neither Donetsk (there is only a street in the region), nor Luhansk (Lugansk Bolsheviks renamed Shelgunova St.) streets. But for two years now there is a reason ... This is how the issues are resolved. Well, nothing, the elections are near ... And as for Mannerheim's board, here, too, "everything is in a stream". Not otherwise, someone in the Helsinki district of the Leningrad region drew a gesheft. The only way. And no logical explanations, otherwise they (they will become) will reach ... Manstein Street. What? He, too, did not take Leningrad, he regretted, hey, the savior ... PS "... to erase the traces of the recent spitting from your face, to say to yourself: this is nothing, is it an enemy?! ..." (Yu. Kotelnikova) "Geography meanness, spelling of hatred, apology of ignorance, mythology of optimism ... "(Yegor Letov) hi
        3. D. Dan
          D. Dan 20 June 2016 22: 42
          +3
          I am joining. A board on a rubble stone. Paints - don’t make me laugh. Water at least every day put a camera. Shoot down nafik.
      2. Beefeater
        Beefeater 20 June 2016 19: 01
        -7
        And how do you like the old name of the city of Gatchina - Trotsk short and capacious
      3. not main
        not main 20 June 2016 22: 24
        +4
        Quote: villain
        I prefer Leningrad, to be honest. You can break a language about a new name.

        More precisely, it has become new in our time, and initially the city was called St. Petersburg! Then Petrograd and Leningrad. Nobody takes off the honor, courage, heroism of Leningraders! Although many of them were born and raised in St. Petersburg!
    2. White Guard
      White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 18
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      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      He started a war with the USSR, sending German troops to him.

      And as he comes around, he will respond!
      Under the tsar, both Mannerheim and the Finns were lower than grass, quieter than water.
      But the Bolsheviks themselves turned up the anthills of national resistance throughout the territory of the former Empire.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 June 2016 11: 23
        +24
        Quote: White Guard
        Under the tsar, both Mannerheim and the Finns were lower than grass, quieter than water.

        In fact, in 1904, Finns killed Governor General Bobrikov right in the building of the Finnish Senate.
      2. Boatsman_Palych
        Boatsman_Palych 21 June 2016 13: 19
        +3
        "White Guards", God forgive me, basically forget that the collapse of the country and the parade of sovereignties began under the liberals-whites - BEFORE the October coup. And the Bolsheviks, having overcome the resistance of the whites, gathered the empire. But they called it differently. And they raised it to new heights, but the whites came again in 1991 - and the empire collapsed again, and Russia barely resisted. Oh, yes - this is the patamu of the headquarters of the tsar-father is dumb - under him, the milk rivers with jelly banks were surrounded by French rolls that flowed directly to the three revolutions ...
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    3. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 10: 26
      .
      how I got pseudo-patriotic cretinism request
      first you study history and preferably not on Wikipedia, and then judge.
      Firstly, in 1940, the USSR began the war. Yes, he had serious reasons - the British through the Finns did very much harm and during the negotiations the Finns acted somewhat arrogantly, but the fact was that the USSR attacked Finland.
      So anyone who attacked the USSR (for example, England, France, Japan, Poland) automatically got Finland as an ally and Mannerheim was not in the power to change it, because the memory of the winter war was too fresh, the society wanted revenge too much !
      As for Mannerheim itself and cooperation with the Germans, Mannerheim did a lot to make the Finns fight only for their national interests and not climb like the Baltic states or Italians anywhere. This is not a merit, but definitely a position that reduced the damage to the USSR during the war and a trait that made it possible not to increase the escalation of the conflict, which helped Finland leave the war and seriously reduced the losses of the USSR.
      This nuance was very appreciated by both Stalin and the military from the General Staff.
      And you, the children of Wikipedia, should understand this before judging what you know little.

      the plaque is made very restrained, it shows a real historical fact without interpretation and I don’t understand why this one harms anyone. I don’t know about the place, whether it was successful, or vice versa, unsuccessful, but the board itself is not provocative, not tendentious and truthful.
      I have no complaints. Personally, the "Kadyrov" bridge strains me much more.
      Well, there is no connection between Peter and Kadyrov. Why call something by his name, I don’t understand negative
      1. alstr
        alstr 20 June 2016 10: 39
        +36
        I have the simplest claim: Are all the Heroes of the USSR and Russia - residents of Leningrad / St. Petersburg immortalized with a memorial plaque or street name?
        The answer is no. Not all.
        And then they definitely deserve either a board or the name of the street.

        Therefore, when all this will be. Then you can talk about the boards of such ambiguous personalities as Manerheim, Kolchak, etc. And if this is not the case, then there should not be such boards in the city.
        1. White Guard
          White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 47
          .
          Quote: alstr
          Are all the Heroes of the USSR and Russia - residents of Leningrad / St. Petersburg immortalized with a memorial plaque or the name of the street?

          What kind of boards ?!
          Yes, the heroes (about ordinary veterans and say nothing) who fought for the Bolsheviks in the USSR often lived without gas and sewage!
          I have relatives in the village, after the war a couple of brick houses were built in the village, the apartments were handed over to the nomenklatura and the "best workers", and the veterans lived in the still crumbling wooden houses of the Tsar, and lived there until their death in the 80s and 90s!
          1. yehat
            yehat 20 June 2016 11: 15
            +9
            a typical example of Marinesco. Famous submarine commander. Star of the Hero of the USSR.
            His real rot, died in poverty - drank too much.
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 20 June 2016 20: 15
          +11
          Quote: yehat
          first you study history and preferably not on Wikipedia, and then judge.

          But how are you? According to the blue book? Or was it yellow?
          Firstly, in 1940, the USSR began the war.

          All! You can not read further. In the 39th, my little friend, in the 39th!
          Quote: yehat
          how I got pseudo-patriotic cretinism

          How zadolbali schoolchildren skipping history lessons.
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 20 June 2016 21: 12
            -3
            It's right.
            In the 39th, mediocre Soviet commanders threw into battle without reconnaissance and artillery preparation with two three ammunition on the trunk of the troops of the Leningrad District. There was no warm clothing and supplies. Therefore, everyone died there.
            And in the 40th they weren’t too lazy to stock up on porridge, and it was easier, not so many soldiers were laid down as in the 39th. Like this. My little friend Valera.
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 21 June 2016 06: 08
          0
          Not only that, why Gdansk, Dresden streets? Manchester, Dimitro-va, Zagreb boulevard? Maybe even something else can be abandoned with ease?
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 June 2016 11: 49
        +26
        Quote: yehat
        first you study history and preferably not on Wikipedia, and then judge.
        Firstly, in 1940, the USSR began the war.

        Heh heh heh ... the call to learn history goes very well with a mistake in the year the war began in the next sentence. smile
        For the Soviet-Finnish war began in 1939.
        Quote: yehat
        As for Mannerheim itself and cooperation with the Germans, Mannerheim did a lot to make the Finns fight only for their national interests and not climb like the Baltic states or Italians anywhere.

        However, the northern face of the blockade was held by the Finns. And it was the Finns who almost closed the city tightly in the autumn of 1941 - ours with great difficulty restrained them from a breakthrough in the direction of Tikhvin, towards the Germans.
        So the victims of the siege of Leningrad - and on their conscience.
        Quote: yehat
        This is not a merit, but definitely a position that reduced the damage to the USSR during the war and a trait that made it possible not to increase the escalation of the conflict, which helped Finland leave the war and seriously reduced the losses of the USSR.

        Everything would be fine, everything would be right ... only Romania left the war with exactly the same least damage, which actively collaborated with the Germans and whose soldiers reached as far as Stalingrad.
        Quote: yehat
        the plaque is made very restrained, shows a real historical fact without interpretation and I do not understand why this one harms anyone

        Well, if you install a board on the facade of Baumanka "in memory of engineer Alfred Rosenberg, who served Russia until 1918"- then she will also show real fact, without interpretation.

        By the way, when in 1918 did the Mannerheim people kill the Russians in Vyborg - then did Mannerheim also serve Russia? After all, 1918 is indicated on the board ...
        1. yehat
          yehat 20 June 2016 12: 06
          .
          damn, November 30, 1939 hostilities began
          yes, for a month inaccurately said, is this so fundamental?
          .
          1918 year. The big question is who the Mannerheimites are and to what extent they followed the order / how much they acted themselves. I am aware of the case you mentioned. I will say more, Mannerheim led the White movement, which fought against the “Reds”, where there were quite a few Russians, as in other things, and from the other side. Civil war, however.
          I believe the year 18 was indicated in connection with the official recognition of Finland's independence, which was concluded by the Bolsheviks and Finns. Due to the fact that at the end of the year he (M.) could do something that went against the officers, this did not make him an officer to a lesser extent at the beginning of the year.
          .
          Romania, which actively collaborated with the Germans and whose soldiers reached as far as Stalingrad

          The fact of the matter is that Finland did not go anywhere and spent the whole war occupying Corellia. For example, Estonians bombed Stalingrad, the French attacked near Moscow, the Romanians occupied the Crimea in half with the Germans, and the Finns sat in their disputed territories throughout the war.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 20 June 2016 12: 10
            +9
            Quote: yehat
            I will say more, Mannerheim led the White movement, which fought against the “Reds”, where there were quite a few Russians, as in other things, and from the other side.

            White Finnish movement.
            Do not mix White Finns and White Russians. For the White movement of Russia did not recognize the independence of Finland. For them, Mannerheim was one of the separatists that arose on the body. single and indivisible.
            Quote: yehat
            The fact of the matter is that Finland did not go anywhere and spent the whole war occupying Corellia. For example, Estonians bombed Stalingrad, the French attacked near Moscow, the Romanians occupied the Crimea in half with the Germans, and the Finns sat in their disputed territories throughout the war.

            And nevertheless, the Romanians who reached Stalingrad left the war under approximately the same mild conditions as the Finns who came to Svir. smile
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 20 June 2016 12: 12
              +2
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Do not mix White Finns and White Russians. For the White movement of Russia did not recognize the independence of Finland. For them, Mannerheim was one of the separatists that arose on the body of one and indivisible.

              but yes, not all White Men know.
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 20 June 2016 23: 54
            +6
            Quote: yehat
            occupying Corellia

            KARELIA !!!! And in history, and in geography, and in Russian - trouble-ah-ah ...
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 21 June 2016 10: 41
            +1
            Quote: yehat
            The fact of the matter is that Finland did not go anywhere and spent the whole war occupying Corellia.

            Finland occupied Corellia?
            Urgently inform Lord Vader! Well, or in extreme cases - Hanu Solo. laughing
          4. Boatsman_Palych
            Boatsman_Palych 21 June 2016 13: 41
            +3
            The attack in 1940, occupied Corellia ... Raised in the 90s
            years a generation of illiterate Vlasovites. Those who read a couple of articles in "Ogonyok" and are unshakably confident in their exclusive righteousness. The worst thing is that these are the ones who have seized power.
      3. AlexSK
        AlexSK 20 June 2016 13: 39
        +14
        Quote: yehat
        and Mannerheim was not in the power to change this, because the memory of the winter war was too fresh, too much society wanted revenge!

        Are you serious, or what? Do you know that during his direct command in occupied Karelia concentration camps were created for the Slavic population? My great-grandfather disappeared in one of them. If you are such a lover of Mannerheim and other Krasnovs at home, you can pin his portrait or bas-relief on a pair with Medinsky. And for me it’s a personal insult and spit in my soul. For me, this dog of Hitlerite Germany and an opportunist will never be worthy in order for him to hang commemorative tablets.
      4. Idiot
        Idiot 20 June 2016 15: 33
        +13
        Quote: yehat
        the plaque is made very restrained, shows a real historical fact


        It was appropriate to hang this board at the Piskarevsky cemetery, so that it was clearly visible for what.

        Quote: yehat
        Firstly, in 1940, the USSR began the war.


        What sources (other than Wikipedia) do you use to study history if you believe that the Finnish war in 1940! the beginning of the USSR? What political process preceded the outbreak of hostilities? What did the USSR want from Finland? What did he offer in return? Why was the USSR ready even to lease part of Finland's territory when the negotiations reached a dead end? Why Stalin I.V. personally involved in the negotiation process? What other than the security of Leningrad (the world war is already underway!) Was the goal of the negotiations? Why was the Red Army unit in Mainilla subjected to artillery fire from the location of the Finnish troops (this fact is documented)? Why did the Finnish side lie about the absence of artillery in their positions (Mannerheim, in his memoirs, mentions the presence of the chief of artillery in the troops. Why is he needed in the troops if there is no artillery there)? Why did the Red Army start hostilities only with the forces of the Leningrad Military District? ... Mannerheim in his memoirs boasts that the Finnish army started the war mobilized and deployed in wartime states. A month before the start of hostilities. Mobilization is war. In 1914. Russia was drawn into the war because it began a partial mobilization. Finland has mobilized its entire army! And we are the aggressors ?! They openly spat in our faces (as the Baltic proxies are now trying to do) at our request, if not to move the state border from Leningrad, then at least to lease a tiny part of Finnish territory so that we could deploy our military base there. We were refused. Moreover, we were provoked to a military solution of the issue, and when it did not work out, our servicemen were killed. In fact, we have become the target of aggression! Recently, the Turks shot down our plane in Syria. Is this a provocation on the part of Turkey? What did Turkey count on by shooting down the combat aircraft of the most powerful army in the world? Suicide? Where did Erdogan run for protection? Why do you think the Finns of the 1939 model? white and fluffy? By shelling our positions, were the Finns suicidal? Who stood up for the Finns when the Red Army, breaking the notorious "Mannerheim Line", took Vyborg? Who, throughout the war, supported the Finns morally and financially, who planned the bombing of Baku in 1940? Who was planning the occupation of Norway in the same 1940? and, if Hitler had not fussed in advance, would undoubtedly have occupied Norway? Who shot the French fleet in North Africa in the same 1940? The address of those to whom the Finns ran in 1940. and Erdogan in 2015. did not change. It's just that these are cunning, dexterous like a pig, often lose their shores in their geopolitical games. But they write history and, therefore, win everywhere. And you are reading this story, you do not want to think, you want to spew out deep thoughts ...
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      7. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 June 2016 20: 49
        0
        As for Mannerheim himself
        What is a sword oath?
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 20 June 2016 15: 19
      +3
      Personally, I don’t like these things and not because of what these people did or did. In the end, they have already died.
      If it weren’t for Kadyrov, then our guys would have died so far and personally I am not against the monument to him or his son - for God's sake. Well, put it in Chechnya or Dagestan. Well, or somewhere else. In Moscow, finally, call something - the capital, after all. PR for people who have done something good for the country is not bad in itself, even if they have a bad past. And what does Peter have to do with it? Why the fuck do you know which foam rises out?
      According to Mannerheim, too, everything is clear - the desire to improve relations with Finland, to recall the joint past, attempts to promote imperial Russia and so on. But personally, I think this is stupid. The Finns will not appreciate this step, but within the country they will perceive it as an insult. Was or was not Mannerheim a fascist - do not care. He was clearly their ally. Those bills have been paid for a long time, but I personally see no reason to put a monument or a memorial plaque to him.
      In general, these were bad ideas. And if there is still horseradish with the Kadyrov’s bridge, although it’s stupid - few people know everyone in whose honor the bridges, metro stations and other places that we drive are named. So they will soon forget about Kadyrov’s past, and then they will forget who it was. That about Mannerheim is stupidity, bordering on idiocy.
      In general, something incomprehensible has been happening recently - strange things constantly happen that cause public discontent and are widely covered by the media. The essence of these things themselves is cheap - the Mannerheim plate or the Yeltsin center, but it is known in advance how this will be perceived? And for some reason, the central media are promoting this, although such things are supposed to be hushed up. It seems that public discontent provoked purposefully for some purpose. The only question is who and why? request
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 21 June 2016 02: 07
        +4
        Quote: g1v2
        That about Mannerheim is stupidity, bordering on idiocy.

        This is not stupid. This is a conscious provocation of those in power.
    5. Very old
      Very old 20 June 2016 17: 03
      +6
      Enot-Ilya,
      about Mannerheim's "sentimentality" - it's not Soviet, not Russian - Finnish
    6. zennon
      zennon 20 June 2016 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      No "royal" merits are not an excuse for Mannerheim! He started a war with the USSR, sending in German troops.

      A long time ago, a bust of Manerheim was installed. With an honor guard. Admire if you did not know:
    7. wei
      wei 20 June 2016 19: 44
      +6
      agree hi Vidio recently looked, where more details about the otom, and the bridge should be named in honor of Budanov
  3. Aleksander
    Aleksander 20 June 2016 06: 47
    +40
    Quote: Edward72
    So that in my hometown to name the bridge of the militant, this is some kind of madhouse.


    Wildness, of course. Like the board in honor of Mannerheim. The dullness and clumsiness of the authorities, as well as their absolute rudeness in relation to those whom they lead: they swallow nothing, they say, as did Serdyukov with the demonstratively released Vasilyeva.
    And this is on the eve of the election! There are no brains at all - they were covered with bronze in a dull confidence in their indispensability .....
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 20 June 2016 07: 06
      +19
      Boltavchenko (Poltavchenko), as he did not have his own "I" and will not, only learned to move his mustache. For the city, he is a complete zero.
    2. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 20 June 2016 08: 02
      +17
      Quote: Aleksander
      Wildness, of course. Like the board in honor of Mannerheim.

      The man stopped the war and saved many Russian lives. There is a street "84 Pskov paratroopers" in Grozny.
      Manerheim is the killer of the Russians.
      One started as a gangster, ended as a patriot. Another began as a patriot, ended as a Nazi criminal.
      Both questions for the referendum St. Petersburg.
      1. Very old
        Very old 20 June 2016 09: 32
        +19
        It’s a pity, I can’t take part in the proposed referendum, and is it needed, if you just need to find out the OPINION OF THE PEOPLE - ask any passerby on the street
        My is:
      2. White Guard
        White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 22
        -9
        Quote: Corporal Valera
        Another began as a patriot, ended as a Nazi criminal.

        This is not even a blatant lie, it is simply the absence of the most elementary knowledge about the history of the native country.
        Mannerheim quietly passed away under his own power in the 51st.
        He was not a Nazi criminal, and was not judged by anyone.
        1. faiver
          faiver 20 June 2016 13: 28
          +6
          the fact that he was not convicted does not mean that he was not a criminal ...
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 20 June 2016 19: 05
            -3
            Only a court can name a criminal
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 20 June 2016 20: 21
          -3
          Quote: White Guard
          This is not even a blatant lie, it is simply the absence of the most elementary knowledge about the history of the native country.

          It's just that you and I, apparently, have different homelands. And about your "presence of knowledge" - I've read a lot in this thread, yeah. The whole family laughed love
          Quote: White Guard
          Mannerheim quietly passed away under his own power in the 51st.

          Sorry
          Quote: White Guard
          He was not a Nazi criminal, and was not judged by anyone.

          He was an unapproachable Nazi criminal.
      3. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 20 June 2016 11: 22
        +13
        The war was stopped by the Russian security forces - the military and officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Like the Finns once near Leningrad.
        And then it was decided to tame a strong teip with an authoritative leader. And he was tamed. And all sins were written off. For the future too.
        If Hitler’s henchman, the killer of Leningraders, is worthy of a monument in the city where he upholstered people, then why not name the bridge after Kadyrov? He is worthy too. am
        He is also a killer of Russians, he declared jihad of Russia.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 June 2016 09: 56
      +1
      There are absolutely no brains
      I bet here. only alas, the results of these actions will become known, understandable, in a year and a half.
    4. lelikas
      lelikas 20 June 2016 12: 06
      +4
      Quote: Aleksander
      Wildness, of course. Like the board in honor of Mannerheim. The authorities are stupid and clumsy, as well as their absolute rudeness with respect to those whom they lead: they swallow nothing, they say, as did Serdyukov with the demonstratively released Vasilyeva.
      And this is on the eve of the election! There are no brains at all - they were covered with bronze in a dull confidence in their indispensability .....

      The Orenburg Regional Court granted amnesty to the former deputy head of the FSKN Directorate for the Orenburg Region, Rafael Tavtilev, sentenced for drug trafficking for 15,5 years in a maximum security colony,- and did not rewind the year.
    5. King, just king
      King, just king 20 June 2016 13: 54
      +2
      Mom dear, what do I see!
      Just two days ago, a citizen Aleksander tore and metal about the sworn Bolsheviks, and the board on the lieutenant general of the tsarist army did not suit him, savagery means ...
      The authorities are now preaching the "old life", how are you on the other side, huh? Renegade, sir?
  4. Finches
    Finches 20 June 2016 07: 52
    +4
    I have no words! The ever-shifting capital ...
    1. bastard
      bastard 20 June 2016 09: 06
      +19
      Quote: Finches
      I have no words! The ever-shifting capital ...

      A whole armful of bones have again been thrown into the electorate masses. I wonder what kind of scam this time the "our" dear, beloved government decided to cover up with this s / rachem? What do you think, comrades?
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 20 June 2016 09: 38
        +10
        Something related to pensions and utilities, most likely.
        1. bastard
          bastard 20 June 2016 09: 49
          +5
          Quote: Darkness
          Something related to pensions and utilities, most likely.

          We in Orel have already thrown a little for water supply and sanitation. Then they will throw a little more. The chicken pecking the grain.
          And when everyone will absolutely have counters (at the installation of counters of other people netut), they will inflate the tariff in order to compensate for the shortfall.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 20 June 2016 11: 21
            -6
            In our country, the water unspent by the residents is added to the general house expenses.
            But as for gas, instead of 230 rubles I pay 20. I repulsed the purchase and installation of the counter.
      2. King, just king
        King, just king 20 June 2016 09: 45
        -3
        ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (this is to the post of the "villain")
        1. bastard
          bastard 20 June 2016 09: 55
          -2
          Quote: King, just king
          ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (this is to the post of the "villain")

          Perceived as understanding. Thank. hi
          1. King, just king
            King, just king 20 June 2016 10: 04
            -2
            Is always!!!! good
            1. King, just king
              King, just king 20 June 2016 12: 58
              -5
              Pi ...! Something .... put me for "always" minus. Eperny ballet, show up, you freak, tell me what you put a minus for. Explain. Go read Ilf and Petrov, think about humor, brotherly you chuvyrlo.

              I have minuses in parallel, but what kind of pigs on the forum, walking and minus without explanation?
              1. King, just king
                King, just king 20 June 2016 13: 46
                -6
                Two more pigs passed by, grunted.
                1. King, just king
                  King, just king 20 June 2016 21: 34
                  0
                  Rather, 14. And they walk, grunt, and everything is silent.
              2. D. Dan
                D. Dan 20 June 2016 22: 50
                -2
                Yes, such a lot, but I slapped you plus. And in a bunch of posts. Because it’s unpleasant for you - I’ll make at least one person’s life more beautiful wink I’m being sculpted here myself for some reason - for some reason I didn’t like it, here’s your minus.
                1. King, just king
                  King, just king 21 June 2016 09: 31
                  +1
                  Exchanged.

                  Yes, it’s not a matter of minuses or pluses, why are all adults there, building a kindergarten. I have a "marshal" one looked at posts (200 pieces), he has almost 3000 of them. There is not a single post more than 3 sentences, all monosyllabic, like that, and "marshal".

                  You write, you, a citizen, mentally retarded on such and such grounds, minus, or you, genius, agree and support, plus. No, it is necessary to minus-plus it quietly, so there are no thoughts, one keyboard is at hand.

                  It’s a pity, it’s a pity that the minus-plus is "anonymous".
                  1. Stas57
                    Stas57 21 June 2016 14: 47
                    0
                    Quote: King, just king
                    Yes, it’s not a matter of minuses or pluses, why are all adults there, building a kindergarten. I have a "marshal" one looked at posts (200 pieces), he has almost 3000 of them. There is not a single post more than 3 sentences, all monosyllabic, like that, and "marshal".

                    there is such a thing, the main thing is to keep the right track
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 21 June 2016 14: 55
                      +3
                      Quote: Stas57
                      ... I have a "marshal" one looked at posts (200 pieces), he has almost 3000 of them. There is not a single post more than 3 sentences, all monosyllabic, like that, and "marshal".

                      Quote: Stas57
                      there is such a thing

                      recourse When I came here in 12, I also tried to prove something in detail recourse Then he switched to a frank flood with a horseshoe, he was just tired of conducting educational program among fool
                    2. Stas57
                      Stas57 21 June 2016 15: 12
                      +3
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      When I came here in 12, I also tried to prove something in detail, Then I switched to a frank flood with a horseshoe, I was just tired of conducting an educational program among

                      and I'm at 12. but I’m still trying to prove, I don’t climb where I don’t know, and I really didn’t marshal, but my conscience is clear that I did not become a clown
                    3. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 21 June 2016 15: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: Stas57
                      but conscience is clear that he did not become a clown

                      This is about me?
                    4. Stas57
                      Stas57 21 June 2016 15: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      This is about me?

                      no, I spoke to myself, I do not know you
                    5. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 21 June 2016 15: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: Stas57
                      I do not know you

                      It’s strange that in four years we’ve never clashed what
  • populist
    populist 20 June 2016 10: 15
    +12
    bastard
    I wonder what kind of scam this time "our" beloved government has decided to cover up with a sim s / rachem? What do you think, comrades?

    Once again, they decided to pit the population among themselves and divert attention from the incapacity of the authorities.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 20 June 2016 11: 20
    -4
    Failure at the European Championship?
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  • Mikado
    Mikado 20 June 2016 11: 10
    +7
    Quote: Finches
    I have no words! The ever-shifting capital ...

    I don’t know what my city is "fronting" with ..
    So I'm reporting.
    1. A bridge in my area. All streets bear the names of war heroes, for example, Admiral Tributs, Katernikov, Partizan German. And then a bridge named after Kadyrov appears between them. There was still no final decision on how a portrait of Budanov appeared on the bridge (I can’t put the portrait on the Internet; by the way, it wasn’t painted yesterday; it turns out that it’s been depicted for a week and a half already). The dubious decision from above gave rise to the dubious initiative from below.
    2. The first who joined the meeting against was "Yabloko". So to speak, a protest was generated, to which incomprehensible organizers and organizations quickly attach themselves. And don't talk about the fifth column here!
    I already thought that they would not consider it at VO .. Still, a patriotic site. Special thanks to Alexey for the article! hi
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 June 2016 00: 12
      +5
      Yes, I was waiting for this article myself. Well, we have already passed with protests. Yes, and I met with the protestors. They are on the street. gene. Simonyak, near Tsoev's house, signatures were collected. So even I could not clearly state their position. What a protest here ... And I repeat, there was no time. Everything happened quickly. I hope that by the time of the elections, people will digest the topic, comprehend and draw conclusions. Milonov - a separate "furnace" (see the post above). I hope that hell-buggers are waiting for him in hell.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 21 June 2016 11: 06
        +2
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Milonov - a separate "furnace" (see the post above). I hope that hell-buggers are waiting for him in hell.

        I think Milonov will like it. He himself looks like a latent one. I, too, when I found out that he was "for", was in ofig.
        A prime example of the fact that some dubious decisions should not be made! In fact, they put themselves in a dubious situation, and the population is "against", and Kadyrov Jr. "per". Previously, such things were called the capacious word "shame".
        I already shoved mine, I do not see the point of cursing about such decisions (and those who make them). Anyway, nothing will change.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 21 June 2016 11: 21
          +1
          I live far away from you right on the very other end of the city. 2 times people nearby protested --- it turned out. Although 1 time --- they shouldn't have taken a ride at all. And they met with the Protestants in the executive committee.
          And now what is Milonov? Previously, he seemed to be strongly opposed to LGBT people, did he send help for New Russia?
          But the marches were LGBT no matter what.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 21 June 2016 12: 11
            +2
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And now what is Milonov? Previously, he seemed to be strongly opposed to LGBT people, did he send help for New Russia?
            But the marches were LGBT no matter what.

            Milonov was in favor of the name of the bridge with both hands. I do not know what he collected there in the Donbass, but it seems that all his activity ends in his love for the church and the fight against gays.
            Someone went out, wrote a petition on the Internet, at night they painted a portrait of Budanov on the bridge.
            I don’t know what influenced such a name (let everyone think out for himself), but now this is already a political matter brought to the federal level. Kadyrov congratulated. Horseradish will now be canceled.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 21 June 2016 12: 42
              +1
              It turns out that Milonov had a fight against LGBT people at the household level, but there were marches.
              It used to be in Krasnoselsky district to visit. And what will happen on that bridge? Apparently, something is bad.
              About the board. Are there people in uniform? Cadets? How is it? It didn’t reach me right away.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 21 June 2016 13: 13
                +1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                It turns out that Milonov had a fight against LGBT people at the household level, but there were marches.
                It used to be in Krasnoselsky district to visit. And what will happen on that bridge? Apparently, something is bad.
                About the board. Are there people in uniform? Cadets? How is it? It didn’t reach me right away.

                the bridge is like a bridge. Through Dudergofka. Between Kitay-Gorod (the Baltic Pearl Quarter) and Leninsky Prospect. I don't know if there will be a sign there or not.
                My opinion: you can name the bridge after Kadyrov. But! In fifty years. I am deeply not against the name "Imam Shamil Avenue" (in Makhachkala, it seems). Why? Time has passed since Shamil's time, the grievances have worn out! A lot of blood has been shed between our peoples. It will take time for everything to be forgotten, at least a little. And there is no need to focus on grievances, and then live in peace. And they by this name - as if an elephant in a china shop, thundering, pinned itself! that's not how things are done ..
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 21 June 2016 13: 39
                  +1
                  [/ Quote]
                  bridge like a bridge. [/ quote]
                  Someone will tear off the tablet, and someone will protect! Here is what will happen.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 21 June 2016 13: 45
                    +1
                    [quote = Reptiloid] [/ quote]
                    Someone will tear off the tablet, and someone will protect! Here is what will happen. [/ Quote]
                    Yeah, but if you still rename it another name, Ramzan will be offended.
                    I say this decision was not worth it. They only quarrel with everyone.
                    Although .. we all got lost when they released Vasilyev .. We had a little chat, and then forgot.
  • 13 warrior
    13 warrior 20 June 2016 07: 57
    +31
    Yeah ... The merits of Mannerheim are doubtful ... Well, he served in the imperial army, so many served in it. I have not heard of any great contribution of Mannerheim to the development of Russia's defense capability. Well, he is not Franz Lefort, and not Barclay de Tolly ... He served, again, the king, and not the people. And this is not idle talk. Everyone remembers how the nobles treated the common people. They would have treated normally, maybe there would have been no revolution ...
    And about Kadyrov, there is a clear deflection in front of Ramzan and there is nothing to talk about ...
    In general, you need to look for whom these renames are beneficial.
    1. troyan
      troyan 20 June 2016 08: 30
      +8
      Quote: 13 warrior
      The merits of Mannerheim are doubtful ... Well, he served in the imperial army, so many served in it.

      Yes. So you can put a memorial plaque to Peter Nikolaevich Krasnov. What is worse?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 June 2016 11: 55
        +7
        Quote: troyan
        Yes. So you can put a memorial plaque to Peter Nikolaevich Krasnov. What is worse?

        Engineer Alfred Rosenberg.
        So what if he was the Head of the Foreign Policy Department of the NSDAP, authorized by the Fuhrer to control the general spiritual and ideological education of the NSDAP, the head of the Central Research Institute for National Socialist Ideology and Education, the Reich Minister of the Eastern Occupied Territories, the Reichsleiter and the Obergruppenführer of the SA.
        After all, until 1918 he was an engineer who served Russia.

        *there should be a sign "sarcasm"
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 June 2016 10: 07
      +2
      Well, he served in the imperial army, so many served in it
      But indeed, the colonel of the tsarist army Shaposhnikov during the Great Patriotic War was the chief of the general staff of the Red Army. And also Vasilevsky, Tolbukhin, Govorov ...
      1. 13 warrior
        13 warrior 20 June 2016 10: 27
        +1
        I do not compare Mannerheim with Shaposhnikov, Vasilevsky, etc. They are still Slavs. I consider Mannerheim only as a subject of the Republic of Ingushetia, but a foreigner. Although there is a moot point. Finland, after all, has been part of the empire for centuries.
        1. White Guard
          White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 48
          -8
          Quote: 13 warrior
          They are still Slavs.

          And Blank, Bronstein, Dzhugashvili, Beria, Ordzhonikidze and another 100500 famous "Bolsheviks", how do you like it ?!
          1. 13 warrior
            13 warrior 20 June 2016 12: 03
            +7
            Invalid comparison. I will explain my position, and then minus to the U.S.rachki.))
            The Georgians you mentioned, the Mingrelians and the Slavs I mentioned, and even the Jews, as you rightly noted, are citizens of this country. And Mannerheim, as history shows, did not particularly identify with Russia.
            And for me, if I changed my citizenship, then I’m not an enemy, but not quite my own.
            So clearer?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 June 2016 12: 06
          +1
          Quote: 13 warrior
          Finland, after all, has been part of the empire for centuries.

          Not for centuries and not quite entered.
          The final annexation of Finland took place under Alexander the First. At the same time, the "bald dandy, the enemy of labor" gave Finland the future Vyborg Lyani, the same one that the Bolsheviks had to return, as a gift for going under the arm of the Empire.
          Finland was part of the Empire as an extremely isolated unit - with its own authorities, army, etc.
          1. 13 warrior
            13 warrior 21 June 2016 00: 42
            0
            Thanks I know. A part was attached under Peter, and Alexander, as you rightly noted, completed this process. But 200 years is the same as centuries. In the sense that 2 centuries. )))
      2. White Guard
        White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 28
        .
        Quote: Gardamir
        Colonel of the Tsarist Army Shaposhnikov during the Great Patriotic War, Chief of General Staff of the Red Army. And also Vasilevsky, Tolbukhin, Govorov

        As many as four "marshals" with officer education were in the Bolshevik "army", to get crazy!
        Why so much? Dragging to Moscow and one ensign would be enough.
        1. MMX
          MMX 20 June 2016 11: 46
          +4
          Quote: White Guard
          Quote: Gardamir
          Colonel of the Tsarist Army Shaposhnikov during the Great Patriotic War, Chief of General Staff of the Red Army. And also Vasilevsky, Tolbukhin, Govorov

          As many as four "marshals" with officer education were in the Bolshevik "army", to get crazy!
          Why so much? Dragging to Moscow and one ensign would be enough.


          Ko-ko-ko, a cockerel appeared here.
          I have a question for you: is it true that chicken droppings are very caustic, and its miasma affects the brain, why do people like you register on VO, what would you spoil here?

          P.S. Oh, it’s a pity that he’ll fly away in a ban soon ... Otherwise, you could put this little animal in a cage and stick it with a stick into the fun of the venerable public ...
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 June 2016 21: 00
          +2
          As many as four "marshals
          how do you like non-commissioned officer Zhukov?
    3. White Guard
      White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 24
      .
      Quote: 13 warrior
      He served, again, the king, and not the people.

      Oh, her! The fact that they lived better under the tsar than under Dzhugashvili does not bother you at all!
      Quote: 13 warrior
      Everyone remembers how the nobles treated the common people. They would have reacted normally, maybe there would have been no revolution.

      They were okay. 1000 times better than the Bolsheviks. Although, what to expect from "rags to riches" ?! (a rhetorical question)
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 20 June 2016 11: 26
        +2
        Why did the nobles of the king overthrow?
      2. Darkness
        Darkness 20 June 2016 11: 33
        +8
        ABOUT! And a lover of French rolls pulled themselves up.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 20 June 2016 17: 58
          +2
          Where without them?
    4. Beefeater
      Beefeater 20 June 2016 19: 08
      0
      You have some kind of verbal balancing act - to the king, the people ... what's the difference
  • Shick
    Shick 20 June 2016 08: 38
    +21
    if this bridge were in Chechnya there are no questions, but in St. Petersburg it’s too much!
    This family is involved in the murder of Russian soldiers, and now it’s spitting Russian in the face of Russian

    Grozny has now been rebuilt with our money and bridges in their honor in our cities, bravo gentlemen
    1. bastard
      bastard 20 June 2016 09: 11
      +6
      Quote: Shick
      this is a spit of Russians in the face of Russians

      Where did you see the Russians there?
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 20 June 2016 11: 27
      +4
      Is there a Budanov bridge in Chechnya?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 20 June 2016 15: 35
        +3
        The monument to Stalin in the central square of Grozny must be put up.
    3. Giants
      Giants 20 June 2016 19: 19
      +2
      Well, if His Grace the Kremlin renames Urus-Martan ... Then yes, it will really be too much.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 20 June 2016 14: 29
    +6
    And let's call the railway station in Grozny the name of Colonel Savin Ivan Alekseevich, or we will build an Orthodox church in the center of Grozny in honor of the new martyr Evgeny Radionov. We will name the streets in honor of such officers as Budanov, Shamans, etc. Why aren’t streets, avenues and bridges named after the Russian soldiers who took part in the hostilities in the Caucasian conflicts in Chechnya or Degestan?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 20 June 2016 15: 41
      +6
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And let's call the railway station in Grozny the name of Colonel Savin Ivan Alekseevich

      The most correct name for the station is L.P. Beria. And put a monument to him in front of the entrance, with a hand pointing towards Kazakhstan, like a hint: "If necessary, we will repeat it."
      1. Ivan Ivanych
        Ivan Ivanych 20 June 2016 16: 10
        -1
        The most correct name for the station is L.P. Beria. And put a monument to him in front of the entrance, with a hand pointing towards Kazakhstan, like a hint: "If necessary, we will repeat it."


        very bad joke!
  • Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 20 June 2016 15: 45
    -3
    Build a bridge and call it what you want.
    I want to add. It is very symbolic that it was the bridge that was named after Kadyrov and not some crap or another board was nailed. Not everyone knows how to build bridges
  • bandabas
    bandabas 21 June 2016 11: 49
    0
    And you did not know that we live in a madhouse?
    1. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 21 June 2016 14: 35
      +1
      I live in a beautiful Siberian town. But sir, I can’t say anything about you laughing
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  • 7race
    7race 20 June 2016 06: 16
    +15
    "The reformed terrorist Kadyrov" ... "A baptized Jew is like a forgiven thief," so they say?
    As for me, this name will suit much more!
    bridge
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 20 June 2016 06: 52
      +21
      Kadrov is an ordinary traitor, at first he together with Basayev called for jihad, and after they were blocked in Gudermes and put before a choice, death or in the service of the federal troops, he chose the second and began to urinate his former comrades-in-arms, who loves traitors? So they banged his own. And what little things with a bridge, can Peter rename Kadyrburg immediately?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 20 June 2016 07: 16
        -4
        About Kadyrov, since it's either good or nothing about the dead, I'd better keep silent. And about the younger one too. As for Mannerheim, this is not as easy as sticking the label "fascist". For almost the entire war, Mannerheim was not the president, but his subordinate commander of the troops. He was made President of Finland a few days before Finland's withdrawal from the war, and precisely with the aim of leaving, since his predecessor rested his horn: "I promised Hitler ..."
        And the most important thing. If in 1944 Stalin wished Mannerheim’s head, the Finns would bring this head on a dish with a gold border. But he didn’t want to, provided the opportunity to command the battles of the Finnish army with the Germans in northern Finland, and after that he would retire. And subsequently spoke of Mannerheim respectfully. Probably Stalin knew a little more than the indignant commentators and paint throwers.
        1. 13 warrior
          13 warrior 20 June 2016 08: 13
          +11
          An interesting approach. About Kadyrov, because keep silent the dead man. Is Mannerheim alive?
          Further, the speech that the merits of Mannerheim to Russia are doubtful. He always acted in the interests of the Finns. So let him hang the signs there.
          As for Stalin: even respecting Mannerheim, Stalin did not erect monuments to him!
          Although people still got excited with paint.
          1. strannik595
            strannik595 20 June 2016 10: 08
            +7
            Although people still got excited with paint
            ............ got excited it for sure. It was necessary to work with this tool. In general, I propose to hang this board at the Piskarevsky cemetery. Let the grateful blockers lay flowers from those who survived.
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 20 June 2016 11: 45
              +16
              My wife’s father is a blockade of Leningrad. He has not gotten off a wheelchair for a long time.
              I asked him to take him to this shameful board and give him more heavy stones. Hands are still working.
              After the war, for such "perpetuation of the memory" of people involved in this, they would simply be shot.
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 June 2016 10: 13
          +3
          Probably Stalin knew a little more than the indignant commentators and paint throwers.
          You probably, like Mr. Medinsky, consistent supporters of Comrade Stalin, can you return the name that glorified this city to the Great Patriotic War to the city on the Volga?
          1. White Guard
            White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 35
            .
            Quote: Gardamir
            the name that glorified this city in World War II?

            What glorified? Slaughter ?! Shameful glory!
            Do you even know that the Bolshevik military did not even bother to evacuate all the people from the city before the massacre? Only the nomenclature was evacuated, transporting "junk" by trucks past the women and children left to die in the city under German and Soviet bombs!
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            2. Pereira
              Pereira 20 June 2016 17: 59
              -1
              Free, shortage.
          2. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 20 June 2016 11: 00
            +9
            Quote: Gardamir
            so can you return to the city on the Volga the name that glorified this city in World War II?

            and what? I am even for! The name is glorious and famous throughout the world. Tell a foreigner-Volgograd-will not remember. But Stalingrad is known and remembered by many around the world.
            1. Achilles
              Achilles 20 June 2016 14: 00
              +3
              and what? I am even for! The name is glorious and famous throughout the world. Tell a foreigner-Volgograd-will not remember. But Stalingrad is known and remembered by many around the world.

              I live in Volgograd, rename it to Stalingrad, discussions have been going on here for a long time, can you imagine how much documentation you need to redo, and much more, if you still decide to rename it, it’s a lot of money, it’s better for this money, let the region be raised, and then it’s possible think about renaming to Stalingrad
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 20 June 2016 18: 36
                +2
                Quote: Achilles
                let the region be raised, and then you can already think about renaming it to Stalingrad

                Or maybe on the contrary, renaming will be the beginning of the rise of the region?
                As you call a yacht, it will sail.
              2. fennekRUS
                fennekRUS 21 June 2016 12: 45
                +1
                Quote: Achilles
                Can you imagine how much documentation you need to redo and much more

                imagine. when did it stop our officials? ) I just voiced the position. Against the background of dozens of renaming, one more will not play a special role.
                And about -
                Quote: Achilles
                better with this money, let the region be raised,

                ... they won’t raise it. They will bury it in the ground, burn it, but they will not lift it. Alas. There is some sort of bureaucratic mania, if only not for everyone.
          3. KOMA
            KOMA 20 June 2016 18: 50
            +2
            Yes, and Leningrad, too, it would be nice!
        3. White Guard
          White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 31
          .
          Quote: Nagan
          If in 1944 Stalin wished Mannerheim’s head, the Finns would bring this head on a dish with a gold border. But did not wish

          Wanted, desired. Mannerheim was like an aspen stake, so he hated him.
          But the UK said no to Kobe and Koba complied.
          Moreover, the Finns against the Bolshevik occupation and in the 45th would have fought until the last soldier.
        4. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 20 June 2016 10: 32
          +6
          Quote: Nagan
          Probably Stalin knew a little more than the indignant commentators and paint throwers.
          Maybe he knew, only he didn’t install any boards
        5. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 20 June 2016 11: 32
          +7
          About Kadyrov, because about the dead either good or nothing, I’d better keep silent. And about the younger too.

          What is the youngest too? Unexpected good news! drinks
          As for Mannerheim, this is not so simple as sticking the label "fascist".

          Those who fought with the Finns and were in Finnish concentration camps would hardly agree with you. To everyone who writes about the "ambiguous" Mannerheim.
          https://topwar.ru/23699-listovka-s-poluostrova-hanko.html
          Leaflet from the Hanko Peninsula
          "His Highness is the henchman of her Highness the mare of Emperor Nicholas,
          to the brilliant executioner of the Finnish people, the most luminous ober-whore of the Berlin court, the gentleman of diamond, iron and pine cross
          Baron von Mannerheim
          You helmet we reply word!
          The other day, you deigned to honor us with great honor by inviting you to captivity. In your address, instead of the usual scolding, you even flattered us as valiant and heroic defenders of Hanko.
          Sly bent, older!
          All the dark life of the Kholuy, you have drafted the masters' ass, not sparing your tongue. Even under the august buttocks of Nicholas the Bloody, you received a baptism of fire.
          But we are not a gentle people, and this will not take us. In vain language worried. Well, at least amused us, and thanks to you for this, jester pea.
          Throughout your whole life, having traded your own body and conscience, you, like an idle old problid, bargain with the young lives of the Finnish people, throwing them under Hitler’s smelly boot. You have filled the beautiful country of lakes with lakes of blood.
          So how are you, dirty scum, dared to contact us, stink our clean air?
          Is it not in anticipation of a hungry winter, in anticipation of an explosion of popular anger, in anticipation of the final defeat of the fascist hordes you squealed plaintively like a rat driven out?
          Our conversation is short:
          Sucking from the sea - answer the sea lead!
          You fall from the ground - you fly into the air!
          Sucking from the air - we will drive into the ground!
          The Red Army beats you from the east, England and America from the north, and do not blame you, Judas, when we are the heroic defenders of Hanko to your invitation, we will move from the south!
          We will come to revenge. And this revenge will be merciless!
          See you, Baron!
          Dolizyvay while intact, fuhrer's bristly ass.
          Soviet Hanko garrison.
          The month of October, the number 10, the year 1941 ".
          Editor of the newspaper "Red Gangut": battalion commissar Arkady Edelstein
          Illustrations: Boris Ivanovich Prorokov
          Authors of the text of the leaflet: Mikhail Alexandrovich Dudin, Yevgeny Voyskunsky, political department instructor Yury Poleshchuk, brigade commander Nikolai Simonyak, Romanov brigade commissar, kapranga Ivan Krasnolitsky and other defenders of Hanko.
          Cachet: Konstantin Belov
          Leaflets from airplanes dropped: Vasily Fedorovich Golubev, Dmitry Tatarenko and others.
          The commander of the base: Major General Coastal Artillery Sergei Ivanovich Kabanov.
          The head of the political department base: the regimental commissioner Peter I. Vlasov.
          Through 2 of the week the evacuation of the garrison began.
          1. strannik595
            strannik595 20 June 2016 12: 10
            +10
            "His Highness is the henchman of her Highness the mare of Emperor Nicholas,
            to the brilliant executioner of the Finnish people, the most luminous ober-whore of the Berlin court, the gentleman of diamond, iron and pine cross
            Baron von Mannerheim
            You helmet we reply word!
            The other day, you deigned to honor us with great honor by inviting you to captivity. In your address, instead of the usual scolding, you even flattered us as valiant and heroic defenders of Hanko.
            Sly bent, older!
            thank you for that, pea jester.
            ........ only such People could break the ridge of the Wehrmacht ........ and our bureaucrats to this old man crafty planks hang in the hero-city (in the expectation that they will again be allowed to enter Europe and their accounts will be unblocked in overseas banks for this deflection) who survived such an evil that no city on earth experienced and defeated it ....... and this Chukhonite was on the side of absolute evil in that historical period and this is true
  • Nix1986
    Nix1986 20 June 2016 06: 19
    +28
    Well, in general, as with "Plato" all, dalnoboev, who came out against one more pocket for a narrow circle of people - the media immediately dubbed enemies of the people. And about A. Kadyrov, and in general with Chechnya, in particular, the people cannot be fooled - "Allah gives money" and even in Moscow the number of members with AMR numbers and representatives of the people of this republic for 25 years at the wheel speaks volumes (at what price we got this " peace"). In general, after A. Kadyrov was awarded the title of hero, I would not be surprised that monuments to Serdyukov, the commander, or Chubais, the savior of Russia, will appear.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 20 June 2016 12: 01
      +5
      Yes, for our authorities, every hero who destroyed the Russians. Because they themselves are.
      1. Very old
        Very old 20 June 2016 20: 27
        0
        The first persons of the Russian State
        Basarev - you have already left for you
    2. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 20 June 2016 13: 05
      +4
      Quote: Nix1986
      Well, in general, as with "Plato" all, long-range, who came out against another pocket for a narrow circle of people - the media immediately dubbed enemies of the people

      not worth braiding. Of course, I am against extortion on the roads, but each such "angel" carries 3-5 tons of overload in order to put the extra 5-10 thousand in your pocket. At the same time, we are shattering the roads for 10 million. Well, then you can blame bad roads. And "Rafik is not guilty" (C) Just think, for a pretty penny, he dropped a million coverage. Not everything is so simple.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 20 June 2016 16: 32
        +1
        We need money for the roads is a fact, there are two sources - to shake up the management of road funds and arrange landings and get the same money for the roads, or to strain jamshuts with watermelon kamazs, I am not against the second, but as if to ignore the first source all the time - these are forks you and I, ordinary citizens, cannot be taken out indefinitely at the expense of us.
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 20 June 2016 06: 21
    +7
    If the issue may be controversial with the bridge, then Mannerheim has a clear mistake (which, as you know, is worse than a crime).
  • rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 20 June 2016 06: 25
    +40
    In honor of Akhmat Kadyrov, you need to name a thousand bridges, streets and squares! Russia is big. There are a lot of bridges, streets and squares.
    Oh wow
    1. 70BSN
      70BSN 20 June 2016 07: 42
      +25
      Here citizens of the forum tell our president "THANKS". And no need to say that he was not involved in this, since from his 100% decree the name of the bridge was adopted, the order of the hero's son was also issued ... And the St. Petersburg servants of the people are simply drained, they say, this is their idea ... there is the St. Petersburg administration and that's all, all of a sudden they decided to name it in honor of Kadyrov for a reason !? It's strange, because there are many heroes of the old and new times, and they don't even talk about them. BUDANOV is in honor of whom it is necessary or in honor of WWII veterans.
      1. 13 warrior
        13 warrior 20 June 2016 08: 17
        +12
        What do you!? What Budanov !? We have these majors and colonels in heaps. But the teip of the Kadyrovs "is the only one in the whole country." (sad sarcasm)
    2. Darkness
      Darkness 20 June 2016 09: 41
      0
      Lesbian people with a bias in perversion.
  • Moore
    Moore 20 June 2016 06: 25
    +17
    "We will call the bridge Akhmatovsky" .. write right now to me in kamentah.
    Yeah! Let's! In honor of whom only?

    It’s not for me to tell Petersburgers how and what to call, but I think that Colonel Budanov’s bridge is not a bad alternative.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 20 June 2016 10: 58
      +1
      Folk art will find a suitable option if the Administration does not listen. But I don’t think in honor of the poetess.
  • Pencil
    Pencil 20 June 2016 06: 26
    +10
    Nazarbayev street appeared in Kazan. This is with a living person ... and not even a fellow countryman ... This has not happened before.
    http://www.evening-kazan.ru/articles/zhiteli-esperanto-nazarbaeva-nachali-partiz


    anskuyu-voynu.html

    Apparently tired of changing medals, we need more substantial toys.
    1. Nonna
      Nonna 20 June 2016 06: 39
      +19
      Nazarbayev street appeared in Kazan. It is with a living person ... and not a fellow countryman ... This has not happened before.
      //www.evening-kazan.ru/articles/zhiteli-esperanto-nazarbaeva-nachali-partiz

      anskuyu-voynu.html


      While in Chimkent there was only one Russian street - Pushkin, the rest in Kazakh, not even the streets of Dostoevsky, the streets of the heroes of the USSR, Moscow, Tchaikovsky - not a single one. This is how the Kazakhs got rid of the Russians first, and then burned out all the Soviet names. Half a million Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, Greeks lived in the city. Now in the whole region in 850 thousand people - 90 thousand are left, but wild oralmans have been brought. Killed the entire industry and even the lead factory, which during the war made up to 30% of the patrons during the war
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 20 June 2016 07: 37
        +3
        Quote: Nonna
        While in Chimkent there was only one Russian street - Pushkin, the rest in Kazakh, there were not even Dostoevsky streets, streets of the heroes of the USSR, Moscow, Tchaikovsky - not a single

        And the streets of Gagarin, Lobachevsky, Nikitin, Panfilov, Sorge, Yesenin, Vatutin ... are these purely Kazakh names ???? wassat
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 20 June 2016 10: 23
        +1
        It’s good that the lead was closed, which was almost in the middle of the city and threw the entire periodic table into the atmosphere.
    2. Very old
      Very old 20 June 2016 20: 36
      0
      It is in Kazan
      In Grozny Avenue named after (His) hi
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 20 June 2016 06: 30
    +14
    That is, the remaining Finnish war veterans spat in the soul? .ebelism some! We don’t have our worthy people, or is Lieutenant Colonel Peshkov’s bridge or a memorial plate of Lieutenant Prokhorenko not that?
    1. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 11: 24
      .
      I didn’t understand how a board with Mannerheim suddenly turned out to be a spit in my soul?
      Probably, they chose the wrong one - maybe, but they just chose it, they chose it.
      What exactly does Mannerheim bother someone ???
      In St. Petersburg, dozens of streets are named after the heroes of the war. Tell me, will anyone notice another memorial plaque on this subject? Probably not.
      You spit about, proving that you had to choose "Lieutenant Colonel Peshkov or a commemorative plaque for Lieutenant Prokhorenko", but what is the result? This sign would simply be ignored.
      And Mannerheim, whatever one may say, is a major figure in history. And the tablet with his name reminds a lot of things. That Finland was once a part of Russia, that many people ended up in exile after 17. I did not choose this board. Moreover, I probably wouldn’t choose Mannerheim, but if someone still chose him, I don’t feel negative.
      But what your negativity is based on, I don’t understand.
      What, there was no such officer in the army of the Russian Empire? It was.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2016 11: 41
        +4
        What exactly does Mannerheim bother someone ???

        well, he starved people, well, there’s ethnic cleansing there yet, but this is nonsense, right?
        1. yehat
          yehat 20 June 2016 11: 50
          -5
          and you do not confuse anything?
          Do you really think that Mannerheim and Finland are synonyms?
          Why should Mannerheim be responsible for absolutely everything that happened?
          Maybe you still say that he personally, at night with an ax, ran and killed?
          What a heinous attempt to shift responsibility from those who really did it to one person? Mannerheim has his sins. You do not need to either reduce or add them.
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 20 June 2016 12: 06
            +5
            Quote: yehat
            Do you really think that Mannerheim and Finland are synonyms?

            The presence of such an order of Mannerheim was carefully hidden in official Finnish historiography all the time, although this document exists and is stored in the Finnish Military Archive. This is a secret order No. 132, signed by the Commander-in-Chief of 8 on July 1941, the day before the Finnish troops - the Karelian army went on the offensive in the direction north of Lake Ladoga. Paragraph four of the orders said: “To detain and send the Russian population to concentration camps” ”

            Until now, there is no accurate data on how many Soviet people died in Finnish concentration camps for civilians. Finnish historian A. Laine notes that “during the summer months of 1942, about 4 500 people from 22 000 died of malnutrition and disease. In the fall, the situation stabilized and did not worsen. ” According to Finnish researcher G. Rosen, in the Petrozavodsk camps in 1942, 3 017 people died, which amounted to about 15%, and in all camps by the end of 1942, 3 516 people died, mainly these were old people and children. Yu. Kulomaa gives his figures of the deceased in the Petrozavodsk concentration camps in 1941 — 1944. in the book “The Finnish Occupation of Petrozavodsk, 1941 — 1944”: “According to the report compiled after the war on behalf of the Allied Control Commission, in the camps of Jaanislinna (Petrozavodsk - S. V.) 4 003 people died, of which 3 467 people in 1942. In 1943, the death rate in the camps was 442 — 458 people, and from January to June 1944 there were a total of 73 people. ”

            The military command of East Karelia, on the basis of the approved principles of national policy in the occupied territory, at its disposal from 21 on July 1941 intended to gather the entire Russian population in certain places and then to evict Karelia to other parts of the Soviet Union that Germany was to capture. For this purpose, concentration camps began to be created for the Russian population.

            The statistics compiled by the population bureau indicate that by the end of 1941 there were about 20 thousand people in concentration camps, the vast majority of Russians. The greatest number of them fell at the beginning of April 1942 - about 24 thousand people, or about 27% of the total population in the zone of occupation. This is a fairly high percentage from the point of view of international law. By the end of 1942, the population in the concentration camps decreased markedly, both due to the high mortality in the camps and due to the fact that some people were released or sent to labor camps. After that, throughout the remaining months of occupation, the number fluctuated between 15 thousand and 18 thousand people, making up about 20% of the total population that fell into the occupation.
            Finnish researcher H. Seppälä writes: “In fact, we don’t know how many Soviet people died in our concentration camps, we don’t know how many freed people died during the war, and we don’t know how many Karelians and Veps taken to Finland remained there at the end of the war. It must be admitted that the lists of the dead by the headquarters of the Military Directorate are extremely careless. Based on them, only very rough conclusions can be drawn, if at all possible. ”

            The materials of the Extraordinary Commission refer to the figure of over 7 thousand killed during the years of occupation only in Petrozavodsk concentration camps.
        2. Beefeater
          Beefeater 20 June 2016 18: 56
          -6
          Quote: Stas57
          What exactly does Mannerheim bother someone ???

          well, he starved people, well, there’s ethnic cleansing there yet, but this is nonsense, right?

          And Lenin starved people. Well, there are several estates destroyed, think.
          There are Leningradskoye Shosse and Leninsky Prospekt and there are no idols
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 June 2016 12: 15
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        In St. Petersburg, dozens of streets are named after the heroes of the war. Tell me, will anyone notice another memorial plaque on this subject? Probably not.

        The hero of which of the four Soviet-Finnish wars of the war was Mannerheim?
        Quote: yehat
        And Mannerheim, whatever one may say, is a major figure in history. And the tablet with his name reminds a lot of things. That Finland was once a part of Russia, that many people ended up in exile after 17.

        Yeah ... for example, Alfred Rosenberg. Let’s hang a board for him too - on Baumanka.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 20 June 2016 18: 51
          -1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Yeah ... for example, Alfred Rosenberg. Let’s hang a board for him too - on Baumanka.

          Hanged for a long time. But not on Baumank, but in Nuremberg, and not a board, but in person.am
          Unlike the same Mannerheim, to which no one has charged with crimes.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 20 June 2016 19: 19
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Hanged for a long time. But not on Baumank, but in Nuremberg, and not a board, but in person.

            And so nothing. ©
            Quote: Nagan
            Unlike the same Mannerheim, to which no one has charged with crimes.

            The absence of charges does not mean the absence of crime. The blockade of Leningrad without the participation of the army under the command of Mannerheim would not be a blockade.
            And the purges of the Russians during the Finnish Civil (the most famous example is Vyborg) and the Continuation War are also the work of Karl Gustav.
            secret order No. 132, signed by the Commander-in-Chief on July 8, 1941, the day before the Finnish troops — the Karelian army — went offensive in the direction north of Lake Ladoga. Paragraph four of the orders said: “The Russian population should be detained and sent to concentration camps” ”
          2. Beefeater
            Beefeater 20 June 2016 21: 35
            -1
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Yeah ... for example, Alfred Rosenberg. Let’s hang a board for him too - on Baumanka.

            Hanged for a long time. But not on Baumank, but in Nuremberg, and not a board, but in person.am
            Unlike the same Mannerheim, to which no one has charged with crimes.

          3. Beefeater
            Beefeater 20 June 2016 21: 40
            -2
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Yeah ... for example, Alfred Rosenberg. Let’s hang a board for him too - on Baumanka.

            Hanged for a long time. But not on Baumank, but in Nuremberg, and not a board, but in person.am
            Unlike the same Mannerheim, to which no one has charged with crimes.

            What a long way to go. Rosenbergs, Nuremberg ...
            For example, the opinion of prominent figures of the world communist movement, close friends of Lenin "In August 1934, Karl Radek, sitting with Bukharin at a dacha near Moscow
            -Attache of the German embassy Baum, exclaimed: “On the faces of German students, dressed in brown shirts, we notice the same devotion and the same uplift that once illuminated the faces of young Red Army commanders and volunteers of 1813 (referring to the final stage of the Napoleonic wars in Germany. - V.A.). There are wonderful guys among the attack aircraft ... "
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 21 June 2016 10: 47
              +1
              Quote: Beefeater
              "In August 1934, Karl Radek, sitting with Bukharin at a dacha near Moscow
              -Attache of the German embassy Baum, exclaimed: “On the faces of German students, dressed in brown shirts, we notice the same devotion and the same uplift that once illuminated the faces of young Red Army commanders and volunteers of 1813 (referring to the final stage of the Napoleonic wars in Germany. - V.A.). There are wonderful guys among the attack aircraft ... "

              And what did you want from an active Trotskyist, who renounced his idol only in words?
              Not for nothing that two years after these events:
              They brought the disease, hands behind him
              And they threw it into a black funnel in a big way.
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      4. siberalt
        siberalt 20 June 2016 12: 22
        0
        Judging by some posts, it becomes clear why they rode on the Maidan laughing Someone needs a radical split in society. And for this, any pretexts and elementary ignorance of the masses are used. This phenomenon is a consequence of the lack of state ideology. There is no ideology, but there is a manual manipulation of public consciousness. The system needs to be changed.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 20 June 2016 06: 32
    +20
    Well, Mannerheim will always be "soiled" or whatever words they will write next to ...
    Zakharyevskaya is the city center. These are mockery of the Blockade and Blockade, which are still among us and those who are no longer there.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 20 June 2016 12: 40
      -3
      Sometimes politics in interstate relations is higher than the opinion of individual citizens. Well, they will nail a sign higher and what will we do? Moreover, not all of them are "Leningraders".
  • victorsh
    victorsh 20 June 2016 06: 33
    -4
    My opinion is that you don’t need any signs and monuments to individuals. But to put a common monument to reconciliation is worth it (Civil War).
    1. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 11: 25
      -2
      what's the point in blurry images? We need specific bindings to specific historical facts.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 20 June 2016 06: 45
    +10
    However, amazing things are happening in St. Petersburg. Do not know to laugh or cry.
  • Nonna
    Nonna 20 June 2016 06: 48
    +8
    Rykov - a well-known liberalist who will sell his mother for 30 pieces of silver - that's all you need to know about him. In the Government of St. Petersburg, as well as in the Government of the Russian Federation, up to 80% of liberals are predatlami. And since they have assets, real estate, relatives behind the hill, our patriotism and love for our Fatherland irritates them and prevents them from merging in sincere loyal embrace with financial globalism
  • BLOND
    BLOND 20 June 2016 06: 48
    -4
    St. Petersburg as a field for experiments?


    As a battlefield ... future ... or if you want a TEST for Peter for maturity and adequacy!

    For me personally, Kadyrov is one of those who stopped the war in my country!
    And the second one is one of those who attacked my country!
    All.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 June 2016 06: 49
    +5
    It is clear that such innovations will cause a storm of responses and negative ones. But now scream, don’t scream, and the job is done. After a year, everyone will already forget what they were indignant at, which is what they’d calculated.
  • Donlomakin
    Donlomakin 20 June 2016 06: 50
    +4
    So now will commemorative plaques be set to all Hitler's allies?
  • ARES623
    ARES623 20 June 2016 06: 51
    +5
    "Now to the point: All of you (who are against) are real hypocrites and victims of cheap liberal propaganda. Spit at me as much as you want, write any nasty things. I will stand on this issue until the end. Because this is a matter of principle!" Here they are, the disabled of the pseudo-democratic government. He served his term in the State Duma of the country and did not understand what it was about. I may repeat myself, but the question is not in personalities, but in the principle of making a decision. Initially, it was previously clear that there will be clashes of different points of view on these issues. So why not hold open hearings with the average point of view of the population? Why not explain in advance this point of view and the importance for Peter of those persons who appeared on the map of the city? Names of streets, bridges, monuments and obelisks are sensitive moments in the life of the inhabitants of the city, who are rightfully proud of its history. Why doesn't our government want to hear the voices of the people who put it (power) over themselves? How do such dumb people get there ... like Konstantin Rykov, Poltavchenko, etc., who by their voluntaristic actions from scratch manage to aggravate the situation? We would give the people an opportunity to express their opinion, and the confrontation would not arise in principle (at least on this issue). Impudence, rudeness, slow-wittedness, lack of principle - these are the distinctive features of the top officials of our country. Hence all the problems of the state, which is why we are not developing like Hong Kong. Arrogance and arrogance negate all attempts of the President to pull the country by the ears from the Middle Ages into a competitive row. I am sure (for some reason ...) that the issue of Kadyrov was solved for money. Couldn't in Moscow, which would have been more understandable (apparently Sobyanin is stronger than Poltavchenko), so to St. Petersburg .... Nothing infuriates us like the venality of the ruling "elite".
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 20 June 2016 06: 56
    +6
    "... This is bad, you need to be more balanced, balanced ..."
    But it was long ago accepted at the international level, namely at the Nuremberg Tribunal, in the USSR they put it on the wall for cooperation with the Nazis and there was no doubt, until recently, it was obvious that the history was rewritten to suit immediate interests, such as keeping Finland from joining NATO trend, it's disgusting. And yes, regarding the first part of the topic, there was Imam Shamil, they also say an outstanding figure of his time, and with his help they also stopped the war in the Caucasus, but somehow they did not assign bridges to his name ...
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 20 June 2016 13: 16
      -2
      And what about the "Kemsky volost"? laughing
      "Our indignant mind is seething" (words from the International). Yes, only politics is done with a cool head. Something like this. hi Not every cook can rule the state. Or am I wrong? laughing
  • V.ic
    V.ic 20 June 2016 06: 59
    0
    As for the "Silver Age" drug addict who has forgotten about her son, this is already too much!
  • guzik007
    guzik007 20 June 2016 06: 59
    +10
    Here they are, where Dostoevsky's "demons" are! They are entrenched in power and are engaged in reformatting the consciousness of people. They do not care about us who are over 45. They are firmly convinced that they will surely dump the young generation into a herd of consumers. And there, even the D. Bush bridge, even Hitler.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 20 June 2016 07: 02
    0
    Incredible blasphemy for the fallen and fawning on Europe. So liberals put up.

    Quote: Pencil
    Nazarbayev street appeared in Kazan. This is with a living person ... and not even a fellow countryman ... This has not happened before.

    And in Turkey in 2010, a monument. This is not uncommon. For example, comrades V. and I. immortalized Vladimir Vladimirovich on the map.
    On account of the fact that "not a fellow countryman", it depends on who is looking, for example, the National Academy of Sciences spoke about the Turkic world from Altai to the White Sea, but did not specify it in southern latitudes. At the same time, I lost sight of Yakutia and Sayany. I also missed that many Turks do not live in the indicated directions everywhere and that there are still many who are not of Turkic origin at all. We have warm and very versatile relations with Kazan, that's the name of the street.
  • peta locksmith
    peta locksmith 20 June 2016 07: 06
    +11
    and what, more worthy Heroes than Haji Kadyrov was not found?
    what is his special merit to call the bridge in St. Petersburg by his name!
    Kadyrov’s uncle simply calculated everything and realized that it would be more profitable for him to stay with Russia ... only in this case his teip would be dominant in Chechnya, and the financial component there is clearly there - budgetary support from the federal center ... nothing personal - only business. ..where is heroism here ... for which he is especially honored ... yes, he died ... but before that, how many of our guys were ruined in Chechnya?
    indiscreet question - how much did this bridge cost the budget of St. Petersburg and the pocket of the current head of Chechnya?
    but about mannerheim and no conversation, he is a war criminal ....
    it’s important, it’s not who was who - but who became what - Mannerheim, from the general of the Russian Army became a war criminal and was an ally of the maniac adka shikelgruber ....
    how can you generally allow the installation of this board?
    are Leningraders really, even if the bureaucrats have lost their memory of the blockade?
    the board urgently needs to be dismantled .....
    and with the bridge ...
  • gormonix
    gormonix 20 June 2016 07: 07
    +3
    I signed a petition to the President that there is no place for Mannerheim monuments in Russia. And almost 5300 people signed up for it. Join you too.
    https://www.change.org/p/президент-россии-и-губернатор
    St. Petersburg memorial plaques mann
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 20 June 2016 07: 50
      +2
      Is this an American site, if I'm not mistaken?
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 20 June 2016 07: 21
    +13
    Who is Akhmat Kadyrov? This is a great man! Which was so historically intelligentthat he found the strength to stop the war and abandon Jihad with Russia. This is his feat ..
    When he called to kill the Russians, he was not reasonable. And when a deadly conflict arose within their wolf pack, then reason, of course, prevailed and he began to kill his former friends and his glory soared to heaven. It sickening to watch, for the first time I start to rejoice that I am not resident of St. Petersburg. Although ... our bearded diaspora is also strong, they can name the avenue or the highway. In Chechnya, EVERYTHING is named after the Kadyrovs, and what is not named, then hangs a large portrait of this great and powerful, father of the nation and etc. (Turkmenbashi is resting) It didn't seem enough for them, we pay little tribute now in every city where the Chechen mafia sits and the names will appear corresponding to the moment. What did this man do, twisted so that Russians stopped killing? those whom they killed. All those who were called up from St. Petersburg and did not return. No, this will not happen. And the "Kadyrov-most" people are sharply opposed --- it can be seen from the comments even here !!! Conduct a city referendum and find out how the townspeople want it a hero who wouldn't be here And he didn’t do anything. Well, except that there were more mounds in the Chechen war through his fault. But that’s another story - how this will all respond to the patriotic public.
    About Manny, I wrote yesterday, another savior and benefactor.
    It would be better if the functioning of the FEDERAL authorities was restored. What ..? Mind is not enough how to do this without blood? Everything is enough, only then you have to give up your carefree and rich existence. And the bourgeoisie will never go for it voluntarily!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 June 2016 07: 26
      -5
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      .And "kadyrov-most" people are sharply against --- it can be seen from the comments even here!

      Yes, it is always noticeable, Venda was against renaming the police to the police. BB to the Russian Guard and so on. 100 comments out of 40 registered users.
      You will forgive sir, but a minority.
      As for Kadyrov himself, you hypocrites are finished, until recently they shouted here at a good-looking young man Kadyrov.
      Did you yourself take part in Chechnya yourself?
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 20 June 2016 10: 27
        +5
        Until recently, Kadyrov shouted at a good-looking young man here.
        ........ Kadyrov well done, while Putin is in power ........... and then the grandmother said in two .... he is personally devoted to Putin, like a faithful dog, and they put up with him for that. But with the bridge it’s overkill, such things are not done in order to notify the electorate. Similarly, the situation with the board, it will not hang there, my forecast for you is 100%. Not all blockaders have died yet, but what kind of children they raised and how much interesting they were told about that time ....... so the children will not tolerate
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet 20 June 2016 10: 50
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          As for Kadyrov himself, you hypocrites are finished, until recently they shouted here at a good-looking young man Kadyrov.


          The bridge seems to have been named after Akhmad Kadyrov, not Ramzan ..... wassat
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 20 June 2016 07: 24
    +5
    This K. Rykov, after his words, is a filthy insignificance! And as for the names and renaming, when will a street or Stalin Square appear in Chechnya and Finland, with an obligatory monument and a bust of bronze? (Chechens can also put a monument in solid gold!) Now happening in St. Petersburg is a shame for all of our power, like the Yyltsyn center-spit in the present, past and future of Russia!
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 20 June 2016 07: 28
    +3
    St. Petersburg and will be here to let off steam? Now they’ll take it easy and calm down. they will also say that no one protects their rights, bad power. Someone promised to break it yesterday or write the name of his grandfather. Well?
    And whom I do not blame, but constant nagging which does not go beyond words, tired of it. Now, then, who is interfering with expressing a citizenship. In Syria and dobass, Turkey do not need to go to fight? Clearly Putin is to blame!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 20 June 2016 07: 29
    +11
    Something more has been written about those named after whom the bridge is named, whose memorial plaque hangs on the building .. and how little about who invented it. Why is this? Like, without any laws, we quietly carry out de-communization and de-Stalinization ... These are silly women in Ukraine, screaming loudly, laws are passed and the monuments are demolished .. And we are quiet .. Somewhere in the outback there is the General Vlasov Museum-private .. There is a monument in the Rostov Region to the ataman Krasnov, a street named after him in Novorossiysk, a hero city .. In Krasnodar .. a memorial to General L.G. Kornilov is being built .. and so big, it’s likely that eternal flame will burn and unarmed men with machine guns will stand .. In Omsk, a monument to Kolchak ... Maybe it's time somewhere in Siberia to open a monument Annenkov, Boris Vladimirovich, boldly, he boldly takes the banner of Yermak from the Cossack cathedral and collects everyone under him who is ready to give his life for liberation from the Bolsheviks. In principle, the person is good, and in our city, for example, a monument to the Cossack fighters SS divisions, they were also against the Bolsheviks ... But to demolish the monument to the fighters of the Taman Red Army, by the way, attempts were made more than once, they defended, it seems they’ve calmed down now ...
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 20 June 2016 07: 57
      +6
      Duc, with de-Sovietization, they will praise precisely those who fought against the "bloody Bolsheviks." Nothing strange, and Hitler will be hanged.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 20 June 2016 08: 09
        +3
        Quote: Darkness
        and Hitler’s board will be hanged

        At the Tretyakov Gallery, Aloizych painted all sorts of watercolors there :-)
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 20 June 2016 07: 33
    +4
    Akhmat Kadyrov, if he deserves to be immortalized, this should happen in Chechnya, of which he was president, and not in St. Petersburg, to which he had nothing to do. I understand the reaction of the Petersburgers, but .... There is a Peresoviet, ask a question, collect signatures with a protest, just act in a civilized manner. I am sure they will hear you.
  • Sars
    Sars 20 June 2016 07: 34
    +2
    In the suburbs of E-burg there is Gorbachev street.
  • Andreitas
    Andreitas 20 June 2016 07: 38
    -1
    This sign, this is the name of the bridge, I condemn. negative
  • midshipman
    midshipman 20 June 2016 07: 43
    +1
    Bridge them. Kadyrov should be left. From 1979 to 1990, I was the head of the 6GU MCI of the USSR in Dagestan; I had to create factories and research institutes in Makhach Kala, Dylym, Khasavyurt, Derbent. I know not by hearsay that Kadyrov is loved and respected in the Caucasus.
    But to open a memorial plaque to the enemy of the Russian people, the killer of our children in 8 concentration camps, the initiator of the Finnish landing on June 21, 1941 to undermine the BBK platinum is a shame, an insult to the memory of my father who died on the Leningrad Front on December 27, 1941. I have the honor.
    1. troyan
      troyan 20 June 2016 08: 14
      +10
      Quote: midshipman
      Kadyrov is loved and respected in the Caucasus.

      AND? Mannerheim is loved and respected in Finland.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2016 09: 13
        +4
        Quote: troyan
        AND? Mannerheim is loved and respected in Finland.

        Well, how to say, right, yes, left hate, and there are not enough of them.
        1. brisk
          brisk 20 June 2016 16: 48
          -2
          Quote: Stas57
          stas57 (1) Today, 09:13 ↑
          Well, how to say, right, yes, left hate, and there are not enough of them.


          Right, left .... Nonsense unnecessary, verbal husk. There are no right and no left. There are satisfied and wealthy residents of Finland. And all your left-right is calculated on the fools.
    2. brisk
      brisk 20 June 2016 16: 28
      +4
      Quote: midshipman
      Bridge them. Kadyrov should be left.
      I know not by hearsay that Kadyrov is loved and respected in the Caucasus. But to open a memorial plaque to the enemy of the Russian people, the killer of our children in 8 concentration camps, the initiator of the Finnish landing on June 21, 1941 to undermine the BBK platinum is a shame, an insult to the memory of my father who died on the Leningrad Front on December 27, 1941. I have the honor.


      Leningrad (Petrograd) is the place where meetings and interpenetration of the Russian and Finnish peoples took place for a long time. And their cultures. The mouth of the Neva, settlements from time immemorial "Chukhonts". Look at the geographic map. Mannerheim --- respected and honored in Finland. What does Kadyrov have to do with Leningrad? This macho comes from the mountainous Caucasian Chechen aul. Up to which from St. Petersburg, even in a straight line, 2150 km. There were no Chechen abreks on the banks of the Neva in the 18th - 19th centuries. They did not know about them and did not see them. They did not reach there on their horses. But in a straight line to Finland, the present (!) Only 140 km. 15 times closer. There is a difference? You might think that the respected and beloved in the Caucasus Kadyrov is a friend of the Russian people! You will go so far with such assessments and beliefs! Ask the opinion of those Russians whose relatives perished in Chechnya (and Grozny in particular, but there was a Russian city!) At the hands of the Chechen beast, among whom was this "friend" of yours. How they mocked and killed the Russians - from knocking them out of their own apartments to murders and cutting off their heads and skinning them alive. Moreover, it was recently. 1988 - 2003. Much closer to the times of Mannerheim and the Great Patriotic War. As long as you generously feed these wild thugs, they will sometimes talk about Russian-Chechen friendship. To feed them again, taking away from the Russians Tambov, Pskov, etc. How help will begin to grow poor --- you will have new pogroms and beatings. Found friends and brothers! Chechens! It's good that not so many Russians support your point of view. I have the honor!
      1. Beefeater
        Beefeater 20 June 2016 22: 33
        +1
        Wow, the Chechens are out of our way.
      2. Beefeater
        Beefeater 20 June 2016 22: 33
        -1
        Wow, the Chechens are out of our way.
  • rammjager
    rammjager 20 June 2016 07: 46
    +6
    The motivation is absolutely not clear. Well, the general of the tsarist army, well, a geographer, traveler, researcher. So Vlasov also had enough merit (the battle of Moscow) Maybe he could also ward off the monument? I admit, I don’t go out for a bit.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 20 June 2016 11: 49
      +3
      And in Kazan, now, a monument to the German tankers and Guderian put, according to this logic? Studied there until the 1933 year ...
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2016 12: 07
        -2
        Quote: Reserve officer
        And in Kazan, now, a monument to the German tankers and Guderian put, according to this logic? Studied there until the 1933 year ...

        And what did Heinz, the major tank inspector learn in Kazan? do not share.
        Well, at the same time I’ll immediately ask about Goering in Lipetsk, what did I study?
  • ovod84
    ovod84 20 June 2016 07: 46
    -2
    Whoever pays and orders, there is also politics involved. I mean Finn.
  • Darkness
    Darkness 20 June 2016 07: 52
    +6
    This "creation" was already covered with paint.
    By the way, for the Communists (in the elections), this is a win-win option.))
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 20 June 2016 11: 51
      +2
      By the way, for the Communists (in the elections), this is a win-win option.))
      Do you think who is thus trying to weaken the position of "EdRa" in the elections?
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 20 June 2016 13: 51
        +2
        I think that if something Communist is left in the Communist Party, then they are obliged to use it.
  • troyan
    troyan 20 June 2016 08: 10
    +3
    ... and to be completely frank, he lived and served in Russia longer than he served and lived in Finland.

    And to be completely frank, Vlasov lived and served in the USSR longer than he served in the Third Reich.
    And, by the way, it’s interesting, but what about the propaganda of Nazism, fascism? Does this relate to the Mannerheim nameplate?

    And as for Kadyrov: who needs these tens and hundreds of thousands of those killed or who left everything and left, just to stay alive, Russians? But glory, you know, to whom.
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 20 June 2016 08: 15
    +11
    Why not name anything in honor of General Rokhlin? A combat general, a patriot, he was very displeased with the mess of the Yeltsin era.
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 20 June 2016 08: 21
    -3
    Mannerheim is a Nazi. Only he himself forgot to say this.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 20 June 2016 10: 29
      +1
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Mannerheim is a Nazi. Only he himself forgot to say this.

      Belofin seems to be
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 20 June 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Mannerheim is a Nazi. Only he himself forgot to say this.

      Well, he arranged ethnic cleansing.
  • Alex_59
    Alex_59 20 June 2016 08: 45
    -1
    I tried on myself and my city. In our city there are few bridges and they are all large, i.e. the objects are very significant, so I would hardly agree that one of them be named after Kadyrov. But the street in his honor in the areas of new buildings can be called, I would not be ashamed to live on such a street. But with Mannerheim more difficult. Somehow I do not want it at all. Let the Finns put monuments to him.
  • then
    then 20 June 2016 08: 48
    0
    It was the liberals who began to correct one more of their omissions. So they carried out the education reform, and the Russian people still hold on to their own. Oh yes! It was necessary to change the heroes! Like in Ukraine! After 20 years, we are discussing.
  • ale-x
    ale-x 20 June 2016 08: 51
    +12
    In St. Petersburg, an action near the new bridge named *****
    http://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic1398884.html
  • erased
    erased 20 June 2016 08: 54
    +4
    Peter has long been known as a liberal capital. Soon there will be Obama Avenue and Vlasov Street. Moreover, ordinary people themselves are not happy with such tolerance. But the ball rules in the city on the Neva River not by the people, but by its owners.
    It was the glorious city of Lenin. And now ... ... ... ... (censored).
  • Stas57
    Stas57 20 June 2016 09: 12
    +2
    phew, I thought Topwar will miss such events, ..

    Regarding reconciliation, then a moratorium on naming any names in honor of any of the civilians of that period.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 20 June 2016 09: 15
    +3
    Well, a little effort and the * Democrats * dream of desovetization will come true, slowly, in a clear order, and everything will turn out. The experience of the Ukrainians was taken into account, and the minister quietly reads out what they shout in Ukraine. It is not without reason that all kinds of * men * from the show and * kin * are being promoted so that all citizens of RUSSIA, except the minister and his subordinates, feel shame. Irresponsibility has so corroded the state apparatus that it is possible to change ministers or governors or anyone else, but everything will remain as it was. In RUSSIA, only drivers are responsible for everything, and for the roads and for the traffic police and for the weather, and even for the * majors * whom they always * will cover up *.
  • 3vs
    3vs 20 June 2016 09: 27
    +1
    "As the saying goes, you can't throw words out of a song. Nobody is going to whitewash Mannerheim's actions after 1918, but until 1918 he served Russia, and to be completely honest, he lived and served in Russia longer than he served and lived in Finland. "

    Somehow it's weird ...
    People were not asked, they raised an extra wave of discontent.
    Or Uncle Seryozha knows something about Mannerheim that can turn people around
    this person ?!
    There are facts, dump it, or is it top secret for a hundred years?
    Maybe Mannerheim was our super spy in Finland?
    So justify people your actions, in the end!
  • Stas57
    Stas57 20 June 2016 09: 28
    +10
    I would advise you not to forget this man, along with Piotrovsky and Medinsky.

    about the last
    Words of the Minister of Culture of Medinsky, uttered by him on 16 on June 2016 at the opening ceremony of the Mannerheim memorial plaque in St. Petersburg:

    To those who are shouting there now [opponents shouted the installation of the board. - note],, I want to remind us: you don’t have to be holier than the Pope and you don’t have to try to be a great patriot and communist than Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, who personally defended Mannerheim, ensured his election and his presidency of Finland and was able to to a defeated, but worthy adversary, to be respected.
    And here is a plaque in honor of Mannerheim - this is another attempt by the Russian military-historical society, another of our attempts to overcome on the eve of the centenary of the Russian revolution, to overcome the tragic split in our society. That is why we are erecting monuments throughout the country for the heroes of the First World War, who later found themselves on opposite sides of the barricades.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 20 June 2016 09: 54
      +9
      Medina noble retailer. Like Mikhalkov with the company.
      Although, maybe he just did not read his book?
    2. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 20 June 2016 11: 25
      +7
      Quote: Stas57
      our other attempt to overcome on the eve of the centenary of the Russian revolution, to overcome the tragic split in our society. That is why we erect monuments to the heroes throughout the country.

      The split in society occurred due to the class struggle.
      The authorities are silently trying to eradicate the knowledge of the meaning of the Great October Socialist Society. revolution. Constantly taking from the closet of history either the tunic of Kolchak, then Denikin, or Krasnov, now the mangerheim.
      At the same time, having broken the monument to Dzerzhinsky, bashfully masking Lenin's mausoleum during parades, renaming cities and streets, they deliberately carry out anti-communist propaganda, blaming the kaklov.
      And the Medina in this sense, jumps out of the port directly, trying to blacken white and whitewash black.
      in the furnace of such figures.
    3. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 11: 39
      -9
      the main mistake of the champions of "purity" of history is that they equate Mannerheim with the actions of Finland. Mannerheim, whatever he may be, is one person. What Finland did not depend on him alone. When the "urya patriots" understand this, their assessment will change.
      The Finns closed the ring near Leningrad? and the German blow surrounding St. Petersburg from the south, access to Ladoga and their advance to Tikhvin - this is so, battles of local significance, or what?
      Medinsky jerks, saying that the Finns closed the ring and this misinterprets the story.
      The Finns only wanted to enter the occupation of "their" territories and did not move on, but the Germans had to adjust. This is the truth. It is also true that Hitler killed 3 months for negotiations with Mannerheim so that the position of the Finns would become more aggressive, but did not achieve this. It was precisely for the restraint that Mannerheim stubbornly defended that Stalin was grateful.
      Or do you think the Finns wanted to kill Russians less than the Maydauns in 41?
      Learn history, not slogans. And then the Medinsky, Suvorovs (Rezuns) and so on. they cannot fool you.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 20 June 2016 12: 01
        +7
        Quote: yehat
        Medinsky jerks, saying that the Finns closed the ring and this misinterprets the story.
        The Finns only wanted to enter the occupation of "their" territories and did not move on,

        Yes Yes Yes


        by order of the commander in chief of the Finnish army, Marshal Mannerheim from 8 July 1941, in the occupied territory, the Russian population should be sent to concentration camps. “The presence of such an order from Mannerheim was carefully concealed all the time in official Finnish historiography, although this document exists and is stored in the Finnish Military Archive. This is a secret order No. 132, signed by the Commander-in-Chief of 8 on July 1941, the day before the Finnish troops - the Karelian army went on the offensive in the direction north of Lake Ladoga. Paragraph four of the orders said: “The Russian population should be detained and sent to concentration camps.”

        Until now, there is no accurate data on how many Soviet people died in Finnish concentration camps for civilians. Finnish historian A. Laine notes that “during the summer months of 1942, about 4 500 people from 22 000 died of malnutrition and disease. In the fall, the situation stabilized and did not worsen. ” According to Finnish researcher G. Rosen, in the Petrozavodsk camps in 1942, 3 017 people died, which amounted to about 15%, and in all camps by the end of 1942, 3 516 people died, mainly these were old people and children. Yu. Kulomaa gives his figures of the deceased in the Petrozavodsk concentration camps in 1941 — 1944. in the book “The Finnish Occupation of Petrozavodsk, 1941 — 1944”: “According to the report compiled after the war on behalf of the Allied Control Commission, in the camps of Jaanislinna (Petrozavodsk - S. V.) 4 003 people died, of which 3 467 people in 1942. In 1943, the death rate in the camps was 442 — 458 people, and from January to June 1944 - a total of 73 people. ”
        1. yehat
          yehat 21 June 2016 12: 01
          0
          didn't understand how my words contradict what you said?
      2. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 20 June 2016 12: 17
        0
        Learn history, not slogans.

        In the course of the gradual disclosure of the source base, conditions were created for historians to thoroughly study the problems of Finland's entry into the Second World War. Initially, in Finland, there was a tendency not to force a study of the period 1940–1941. This was due to the fact that Finnish historians for a long time did not seek to dispel the official ideas that existed in the country about Finland's entry into the war. The essence of these ideas was that the country fell into the war against its will and waged it "separately" from Germany.
        These views were actively introduced into the consciousness of the Finnish population from the very beginning of the war with the help of propaganda by the Finnish state-political leadership. Moreover, about the reason why the country was forced to join the war, the Finnish wartime documentaries usually said this: it happened “so that the Soviet Union would not destroy” Finland, since the USSR sought to do this “even during a violent world” (i.e., after the war of 1939–1940 - V. B.). And further it was explained: “When Germany declared war on the Soviet Union, the Russians soon unceremoniously violated our neutrality by bombing a number of our settlements on the scheduled day, and as a result, our entry into a new war followed.”
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 20 June 2016 12: 41
          +4
          On May 20, Karl Schnurre, ambassador for special missions, arrived from Germany in Helsinki. The purpose of this visit was a meeting of a German diplomat with President R. Ruti. On it, he was to state the essence of his secret mission. Not everyone, even among the high-ranking officials of the Finnish Foreign Ministry, knew about his negotiations. Researchers also draw attention to the fact that for unknown reasons there is no report on this trip in the Finnish archival funds, just as the German envoy V. Blucher does not mention it in his memoirs. All this, obviously, was not accidental and requires close attention.
          According to a still remaining version, the essence of the negotiations was only that when meeting with Ryti, Schnurre talked about the danger of “a possible Soviet attack on Finland” and suggested “sending one or more general staff officers to Germany for negotiations and coordination of military operations in case Finland will be the target of attack. ”
          Pay attention to the highlighted text, just like in our time, NATO characterizes its approach of its bases and troops to the border with Russia.
  • Million
    Million 20 June 2016 09: 30
    +8
    In response, I propose to name one of the squares in Chechnya, the area of ​​the Pskov paratroopers
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 20 June 2016 09: 54
      +7
      And Budanov or Rokhlin street.
      1. AnpeL
        AnpeL 20 June 2016 10: 08
        +3
        In response, I propose to name one of the squares in Chechnya, the area of ​​the Pskov paratroopers.
        And Budanov or Rokhlin street.

        In my opinion, sarcasm is not appropriate here. The fact is that you are right. And such decisions would be correct and they should have appeared in the heads of those in power in the first place. But if, after the Russian toponyms in Grozny (by the way, also a Russian city) of some public places, the local population would not be very fussy, then we could think about the reciprocal steps, i.e. the appropriation in St. Petersburg, Moscow or any other middle, northern Russian city of toponyms with famous immigrants from the Chechens
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 20 June 2016 11: 11
          +2
          The fact of the matter is that there will never be such streets there.
          1. Feka
            Feka 20 June 2016 14: 10
            0
            Quote: AnpeL
            But if after Russian toponyms in Grozny

            Quote: Darkness
            The fact of the matter is that there will never be such streets there.

            https://yandex.ru/maps/1106/grozniy/?ll=45.659219%2C43.341935&z=17
            St. 84 Pskov paratroopers, st.Gennady Troshev, st. Kalashnikov, Altai, Baltic, Testament of Ilyich, etc. If you are banned in Google, use Yandex (just kidding) hi Che screaming right away without understanding?
  • infantry76
    infantry76 20 June 2016 09: 55
    +4
    Lord comrades!
    My personal opinion is that it is the prerogative of the citizens (residents) of this object to give names to cities, towns, streets, bridges and other geographical, urban and architectural objects. The power of the village, city, district, regional (regional, republican), the supreme can only offer. The referendum must decide everything! This is the first.
    The second one. Isn’t it better to return the old names to those objects that are of historical age?
    And the third. Let us leave an assessment of the role, merit and significance of this or that historical person to historians. Let them write monographs, books, publications from which we will learn about this or that person.
    I have the honor! soldier
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 20 June 2016 11: 09
      +3
      Volgograd need to return the name Tsaritsyn?
  • White Guard
    White Guard 20 June 2016 10: 11
    .
    No matter how the defenders of the red executioners squealed (and in the infernal pan, the defenders of the killers of the Russian people will scream even louder!) But Mannerheim, along with Vlasov, by the way, is one of the iconic Russian national heroes of the 20 century!
    He proved by his own example that one tsarist general is worth a whole Caucasian Bolshevik military clique, who put on shoulder straps and imagined themselves to be generals after that. And this is with three classes of parish and maximum courses of "sergeants" of the tsarist army!
    And yes, my cousin lived in Petrograd, survived the Bolshevik blockade of the city, she regretted all her life that the Bolsheviks held the city, did not allow it to be released to the Finns and White Guards.
    Another, second cousin, froze to death in the winter war as a nurse. She also hated this war and the Bolsheviks who sent her to slaughter, she did not want to fight there. Like all other ordinary Russian soldiers who wrote that "the Finns live better than we are, we have nothing to help them, we have nothing to do here, this is an unnecessary war for us."
    Well, as for Vlasov, since I’ve started talking, I’ll remind you!
    The Bolsheviks, having seized power, announced a "voluntary conscription" to their gang, promised to pay 150 bachelors and 250 rubles to the family "Red Army soldier". Collected so 200 thousand from all over Russia.
    Then a general appeal was announced, using the repressive apparatus they had already created.
    And all the same, no more than 500 thousand Russian people were able to gather in their kodlu during the year, and this is less than 10% of the tsar’s army.
    Total less than half a million people from all over the empire expressed a desire to fight for the Bolsheviks FOR MONEY and under duress!
    And for Vlasov, against the Bolsheviks, more than a million volunteers stood up, and there could have been even more if not for the German policy of mistrust of former Soviet soldiers.
    That is to say, a good example of how the Russian people hated the Bolsheviks.
    And that’s all, all names reminiscent of the Bolshevik occupation of Russia should be erased from Russian maps, everything should be returned to its original name, as well as the real heroes of Russian resistance, who fought for the Russian people against the Bolshevik plague!
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 20 June 2016 10: 52
      +4
      No matter how the defenders of the red executioners squealed (and in the infernal pan, the defenders of the killers of the Russian people will scream even louder!) But Mannerheim, along with Vlasov, by the way, is one of the iconic Russian national heroes of the 20 century!

      oh, a poor white man and a neovlasov, did he enlist the specialist to protect Karl Gustav?
      1. White Guard
        White Guard 20 June 2016 11: 17
        -5
        Quote: Stas57
        Specialist registered to protect Karl Gustav?

        I am not defending Carl Gustav, I just want to draw the attention of smart people to the following facts. That one tsarist general was worth a whole "galaxy of Stalin's commanders" who allowed the Germans to reach Moscow and St. Petersburg, although the tsarist generals of these Germans (and Hitler's headquarters almost in full force had previously fought in WW1) did not let the border go further.
        And what more Germans went to fight for the Germans in the Second World War than for the Bolsheviks as a citizen.
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 20 June 2016 11: 31
          +1
          Quote: White Guard
          I am not defending Carl Gustav, I just want to draw the attention of smart people to the following facts. That one tsarist general was worth a whole "galaxy of Stalin's commanders"

          ordinary political prostitute, now for the king, then for the Finns, now for the Germans, then against
          1. White Guard
            White Guard 20 June 2016 11: 41
            -6
            Quote: Stas57
            ordinary political prostitute

            Either the Bolshevik generals who violated the oath for the sake of 150-250 rubles promised to them in the service of the Bolsheviks.
            And most importantly, figs of which received later laughing
            As for Mannerheim, on the contrary, he did not go to the service of the Bolsheviks, he remained faithful to the oath, did not go to war against his former fellow soldiers.
            The most interesting thing is that the Bolsheviks ended the same way as they began, taking the oath of allegiance to the "Soviet Union" and shooting at the White House. No one from the Soviet army rose to defend the USSR!
            As they say, by relics and firs!
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 20 June 2016 12: 37
              +4
              As for Mannerheim, on the contrary, he did not go to the service of the Bolsheviks, he remained faithful to the oath, did not go to war against his former fellow soldiers.

              Well, as he kept, with tzr.some representatives of the White Army, he is a traitor, for monarchists generally unique.
              Separatism for power

              The Commander-in-Chief of the White Forces of the South of Russia, General Anton Denikin and his Foreign Minister Sergei Dmitrievich Sazonov in December 1918 of the year asked the British and French governments not to allow General Mannerheim to take Petrograd. They considered it a humiliation if the Finns took the capital of Russia. In addition, knowing the Finns' hostility towards the Russians, they feared that in Petrograd they would spare no one — neither rich nor poor.
              ...
              Baron Budberg in his Diary of the White Guard wrote that the document on the refusal to recognize the independence of Finland was prepared by our "diplomatic prodigy" Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Kolchak government Ivan Sukin, and Admiral Kolchak without signing signed a telegram. Later, Kolchak recognized the “fatal and fatal role for Russia” of this response to Mannerheim.
              ...
              On June 19 on June 1919, Mannerheim, without the knowledge of the Cabinet of Ministers, drafted a draft military-political agreement with General Yudenich, which recognized the independence of Finland, as well as the right of the people of East Karelia and Olonets to self-determination. Guidance on the capture of Petrograd was entrusted to Mannerheim.

              The Finnish government did not support this agreement. He was rejected by Kolchak and the Entente.
              Meanwhile, General Yevgeny Karlovich Miller, Governor-General and Commander-in-Chief of the Northern Region Forces, is sending Major General Marushevsky to Helsingfors asking for help. Mannerheim concludes an agreement with him on the capture of Petrograd in exchange for fulfilling the following requirements: independence, a port in the Pecheneg Bay, self-determination of some Karelian volosts. However, this agreement was not supported by the Finnish government and the Entente. Kolchak called it "just fantastic." The English consul in Helsingfors said Mannerheim was "an unconscious weapon of Finnish rangers and Germany." He recommended that the Entente support not Mannerheim, but Rudolph Canvas’s office. Admiral Kolchak, knowing about the transfer of a significant contingent of Soviet troops to defend the "cradle of the revolution", he suddenly thought better of it and began to bombard Mannerheim with urgent telegrams, calling for a march to Petrograd, however, ignoring the demands of Finland. Generals Yudenich and
              Miller tried to appease Kolchak, but in vain.

              ! Mannerheim "Vlasov Leonid

              shameful you are a white guard
            2. Turkestan
              Turkestan 20 June 2016 20: 10
              0
              Here's another snack for WHITE JOINERS
              In 1920, Soviet Russia concluded peace treaties with Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. However, on the territory of these states there were many White Guards who hid here after the defeat of their armies by the Red Units. It was from these White Guard defenses that Balakhovich formed several well-armed detachments, in which B. Savinkov helped him.
              With these detachments, Balakhovich began to cross the state border, raiding civilians in Belarus. What the Balakh people did there, now you will find out. More than once, units of the Red Army were sent to the place of invasion of Balakhovich’s gangs, but he crossed the border in the opposite direction and hid at his bases located on the territory of these countries. That's what the foreign press and radio reported on these raids.
              “Balakhovich joined Carpenter on October 2, immediately gathered all the Jews and demanded money. After the Jews gave all their belongings, the wildest killings and tortures began. Moses Carpenter tore off his nose, and then hung it. Puterman, whose family was chopped off with checkers, went crazy and began to dance, and then was shot.
              Ephraim Pole was first cut off his hand, and then the skin was removed from him alive. Ilya Finkelstein burned alive. All women and girls in the city, up to 9-year-old children, were raped.
              A similar pogrom occurred in the Kremlin of the Volyn province. There, 30 young women were gathered in Seokokev’s apartment, who were shot after rape, while the men were driven to the river, where they were thrown into the water and shot at floating men until they were drowned.
              In the village of Inevo, on the border of Pinsky and Kovelsky counties, volunteers robbed a Jew, then wrapped him with barbed wire and rolled him on the ground. Torn and bloodied, he was unwound and slowly burned in the fire ...
              May be enough? The list of such atrocities goes on and on.
              1. Beefeater
                Beefeater 21 June 2016 00: 34
                -2
                Detachments of red partisan Chekists led by Orlovsky repeatedly crossed the Polish border, destroying policemen, landowners and organizing sabotage on the roads. It was in a peaceful 20 years.
        2. Turkestan
          Turkestan 20 June 2016 20: 06
          +4
          Here you have more about the WHITE executioners
          And here is another from the book of the Americans M. Sayers and A. Kahn "The Secret War against Soviet Russia."
          “Every day, his (Graves) intelligence officers supplied him with new information about the kingdom of terror, which Kolchak established. There were 100 thousand soldiers in the admiral’s army, and new thousands of people were recruited into it under the threat of execution. Prisons and concentration camps were packed to capacity.
          Hundreds of Russians, daring not to submit to the new dictator, hung on trees and telegraph poles along the Siberian Railway. Many rested in common graves, which they were ordered to dig before the Kolchak executioners destroyed them with machine gun fire. Murders and robberies have become an everyday occurrence. ”

          But one of the subordinates of General Kolchak Ivanov-Rynov stood out among the generals of Kolchak as a monster and a sadist. In Eastern Siberia, his soldiers exterminated the entire male population in the villages where, according to their suspicions, the Bolsheviks were harboring. Women were raped and beaten with ramrods. Killed indiscriminately - the elderly, women, children.
          One young American officer, sent to investigate the atrocities of Ivanov-Rynov, was so shocked that, having finished his report to Grevs, he exclaimed: “For God's sake, General, do not send me more with such instructions!” Just a little more - and I would have torn off my uniform and would have saved these unfortunate people. ”
          It seems that everything is clear with Kolchak and his henchmen. If someone still considers Kolchak a noble knight of the white idea and an honest officer ... Well, then we just have a different understanding of the concepts of nobility and honesty.
        3. mihasik
          mihasik 20 June 2016 23: 46
          -1
          Quote: White Guard
          And what more Germans went to fight for the Germans in the Second World War than for the Bolsheviks as a citizen.

          That is the product of our liberal authorities and their policies in all its glory! He no longer even understands what carries and where the truth and facts are. And read the archives, and the victim of liberal education?
          Our power elites have already lost at the end of the coast!
          The elitaries are already so boldly hinting, not even hinting, but yelling: We sat in this swamp! We are sick here, dreary! The scale is not the same! I want adrenaline! They knocked down the plebs with Porsche-plebs did not understand! Spit in the plebs laws-plebs did not understand! They robbed the plebs as anyone could, the plebs do not understand! Hinted Yeltsin-Center-plebs did not understand! Already in St. Petersburg, Mannerheim was hung out, all the same, the plebs do not understand the hints! But what is so stupid in our plebs ?! We want a revolution! It's boring for us here, but the green "toad" does not allow us to dump us!
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 21 June 2016 00: 39
            -1
            So read the archives, only who will let you go there. After all, a plebs, as you rudely call the people, really don’t like how denunciations of famous personalities in the Stalin era you loved so much wrote to each other.
      2. Darkness
        Darkness 20 June 2016 11: 40
        -3
        Specially admitted MD entertains contingent (s)
    2. strannik595
      strannik595 20 June 2016 10: 55
      +3
      as well as the true heroes of the Russian resistance, who fought for the Russian people against the Bolshevik plague!
      ... who are the heroes there? Vlasov, Krasnov and Shkuro? ...... among the Bolsheviks there were a lot of scum, but these outdid them ...... and as for renaming - as if not to pour out a child with water, huh?
      1. White Guard
        White Guard 20 June 2016 11: 21
        .
        Quote: strannik595
        Vlasov, Krasnov and Shkuro? ...... among the Bolsheviks there were many scum, but these outdid them

        Nonsense! No one outdid the Bolsheviks, on their conscience tens of millions of lives of Russian people.
        As for the individual "fruits" of the civil, it must be remembered that the "muddy waters" of the civil raised a lot of muddy people to the surface, but the main thing is not a characteristic of these people, but the fact that this wave was a popular one, and this popular wave was anti-Bolshevik.
        Because the civil war is a war of the people against the Bolshevik occupation.
        1. Petr petrov
          Petr petrov 20 June 2016 12: 17
          +4
          Hmm .......
          Why not billions at once !!!!!!!
          Probably a follower of lampshades-gozmans.
        2. Turkestan
          Turkestan 20 June 2016 20: 14
          0
          Talk nonsense

          A participant and a witness, the Russian writer William, told us about the exploits of Denikin’s people in his memoirs. True, he does not very readily talk about his personal accomplishments, but he conveys in detail the stories of his accomplices in the struggle for the united and indivisible. Read?
          “They drove away the Reds - and how many of them were put, the passion of the Lord!” And they began to establish their own rules. The liberation has begun. At first the sailors were slaughtered. They remained with the fool, “our business, they say, is on the water, we will live with the Cadets” ... Well, everything is as it should, in a good way: they kicked them out, they made a ditch for themselves, and then let them down to the edge and from the revolvers one by one. So, do you believe how the crayfish moved in this ditch until they fell asleep. And then on this place the whole earth moved: therefore, they did not finish, so that it would be disgraceful for others. "
          “They caught him on the word“ comrade ”... They made him the organizer of their gangs. True, in order to gain consciousness, I had to fry it in a free spirit ... At first I was silent: only my cheekbones tossed and turned. Well, then, of course, he confessed when his heels were browned on the grill. In the middle of the village they dug a pole, tied it higher, wrapped a rope around the skull, stuck a stake and a circular motion through the rope! At the end, the soldiers refused to turn, gentlemen, the officers took up. And suddenly we hear: crack! - the cranial box shook ... An instructive sight. "
          The sight is really instructive. Who is this at our Forum who says NONSENSE? Do not forget to order a ribbon for the wreath with the inscription: "From a lover to fry on the grill, hang on a post and other thrills."
        3. yehat
          yehat 21 June 2016 12: 43
          +1
          Are you trying to hang a civil war on the Bolsheviks ???
          But what about essays, cadets, Mensheviks, anarchists, German collaborators, Anglophiles, Francophiles, etc.? in 1905 there were none at all, on whom do you hang the blood of 1905-1917?
          What, they did nothing? Yes, all sorts of forces were crushed and lost throughout the empire and fought with each other! And are you going to write off all the Bolsheviks?
          All this bacchanalia could be stopped only by a very tough and organized force, which the Bolsheviks did. Better think about how many people were left alive as a result of this.
    3. Darkness
      Darkness 20 June 2016 11: 07
      +7
      Anti-Sovietism always leads to fascism and Russophobia. Are you a fascist?
      1. White Guard
        White Guard 20 June 2016 11: 24
        .
        Quote: Darkness
        Anti-Sovietism always leads to fascism and Russophobia. Are you a fascist?

        Firstly, do not poke strangers. This is indecent at least.
        Secondly, you are raving. Because we all know that the main Russophobes are the Soviet Communists, while the Russian patriot is necessarily anti-communist.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 20 June 2016 13: 54
          -1
          Give your dad advice.
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 June 2016 21: 14
          +2
          Russian patriot
          and tell me mister "Russian patriot" you are probably praying for the German black and yellow flag? Tell me how the Zakharyins were suddenly called Romanovs. And why are Germans Frederika Zerbstkaya and her husband Karl Ulrich considered Russian tsars Romanovs?
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 21 June 2016 00: 25
            -1
            The black and yellow flag is generally Austrian.
            German colors black white red
    4. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 20 June 2016 11: 25
      +4
      Of course, you excuse me, but you are an ignoramus, Shaposhnikov, Lebedev, Bonch-Bruyevich, etc., etc. tsarist generals received a dule from the Germans, the Japanese. engaged in embezzlement and lobbying.
      we will not touch your grandmother, but you can always find those who are somewhat displeased with something, for example, I know people who really regret that people like you need to be hung, but they can’t, because most are against it.
      Maybe the Bolsheviks also had a gang, but in this gang there were a lot of officers who fought, but without education, there will be no victories. It doesn’t seem funny to you that with bandits in three classes, ten percent of the former army, half a million, under pain of reprisals and execution, were given to highly educated tsarist generals. It’s not funny for yourself? And how much did you get in white grads?
      These words "pay" do not give you a military man, because in the army there is a monetary allowance. and the military, if they are not bandits or rabble, except for benefits and various allowances. money is paid. this suggests that the Bolshevik is not a gang.
      The Bolsheviks did not seize power, but they raised it.
      No one does not want to fight, but the fact that the Finns stubbornly ran up is a fact. All the soldiers wrote it right, why don’t you bring a letter from the soldiers who said that they bring happiness to the Finnish people?
      Vlasov is scum. same as Krasnov, skin and other scum, for me patriots Yusupov, Denikin, Obolenskaya, Karbyshev. kirponos who shot himself and not this piece of d ... rma, who did not have the courage to put a bullet in his forehead
      I want to recall the words of Bonch-bruevich “History does not condemn us, who remained at home and honestly performed our duty, but those who hindered this, forgot the interests of their country and sought out foreigners who are clear opponents of Russia in the past and in the future.”
      By the way, about the policy of mistrust, you are correctly sweeping. many of Vlasov’s army did not want to fight against their own. and the Germans weren’t fools perfectly understood and used as punishers, so that there was no way back.
      1. White Guard
        White Guard 20 June 2016 12: 03
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        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        tsarist generals received a dule from the Germans, the Japanese. engaged in embezzlement and lobbying.

        Nonsense!
        Of the WWII, the Russian Empire emerged the least affected of all the countries participating in it, having the least mobilized per 1 population and those killed per 1000.
        For the Japanese war, this was a "political concession".
        From a military point of view, the tsarist army was at its best, not counting several controversial actions at sea, on land, the losses of the Japanese army were probably more than 10 times greater than the Russians. The Japanese army was almost exhausted.
        But on the Halkin-Gol of the USSR, by the way, Japan was blown away, because the border treaty was signed on the terms of the Japanese side!
        And about the embezzlement, also more nonsense.
        But Soviet generals became famous for looting, they glorified the whole world of the USSR.
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        but there were a lot of officers in this gang

        Nonsense!
        In the White movement, sometimes whole regiments consisted of almost only officers.
        And the Reds had a maximum of non-commissioned officers (that is, sergeants and ensigns), and there were few of them.
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        ten percent of the former army, half a million, under pain of reprisals and execution were given to highly educated tsarist generals.

        Done, it's too optimistic. And not true.
        The white movement was on the ATTACK, for thousands of kilometers, if that tells you anything.
        Also, the white movement in the rear had active terrorist organizations, to which they did not have sufficient forces to fight, for lack of a repressive apparatus.
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        And how much did you get in white grads?

        NOT MUCH! It was a popular movement, they fought against the Bolsheviks FOR THE IDEA also because after the "pumping out of the bread" by the commissars there was nothing to eat and people died of hunger.
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        The Bolsheviks did not seize power, but they raised it.

        Captured and destroyed.
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        and the Germans weren’t fools

        That's it, that fools, just did not use the full potential of Russian discontent.
        Let me remind you once again that, for example, more than half a million Russian people who were taken to work in Germany in the 45th by hook or by crook went west so as not to return to the USSR!
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        You sweep right

        And here you are right, I am writing correctly. But here you are.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 20 June 2016 13: 15
          +7
          Quote: White Guard
          In the White movement, sometimes whole regiments consisted of almost only officers.
          And the Reds had a maximum of non-commissioned officers (that is, sergeants and ensigns), and there were few of them.

          Please remind the fate of the white army
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 20 June 2016 19: 50
            -3
            Quote: sa-ag
            Quote: White Guard
            In the White movement, sometimes whole regiments consisted of almost only officers.
            And the Reds had a maximum of non-commissioned officers (that is, sergeants and ensigns), and there were few of them.

            Please remind the fate of the white army

            The same as the Soviet one.
            The USSR also disappeared and the army disappeared.
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 21 June 2016 09: 03
              +1
              Quote: Beefeater
              The same as the Soviet one.

              No, not at all, the Soviet army was not defeated in battle, but the white, despite its officers, was defeated.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 June 2016 12: 41
      +4
      Quote: White Guard
      No matter how the defenders of the red executioners squealed (and in the infernal pan, the defenders of the killers of the Russian people will scream even louder!) But Mannerheim, along with Vlasov, by the way, is one of the iconic Russian national heroes of the 20 century!

      You also ask to erect a monument to Mannerheim in Vyborg - "from the grateful Russians killed by Mannerheim".
      Quote: White Guard
      And for Vlasov, against the Bolsheviks, more than a million volunteers stood up, and there could have been even more if not for the German policy of mistrust of former Soviet soldiers.

      And where are these volunteers? Where are these dozens of ROA divisions? Where is Vlasov’s powerful assistance to the German comrades who are exhausting in the fight against Bolshevism?
      No need to bring together Vlasov, Khivi and policemen. For your million - this is the total number of all, at least somehow lit up in the service of the Germans.
      1. Beefeater
        Beefeater 20 June 2016 19: 46
        -5
        A million Soviet citizens in the service of Hitler is a very estimated figure - maybe 2 million or maybe 3 unprofitable authorities had to recognize a large number of collaborators
        And I also did not understand helping Vlasov to the Germans or did not help
    6. Turkestan
      Turkestan 20 June 2016 19: 56
      +5
      A few quotes ABOUT THE WHITE EXTENDERS


      White General Kornilov: "We went to power to hang, but we had to hang to come to power."
      American General Graves: “In Eastern Siberia, for every person killed by the Bolsheviks, there were a hundred people killed by anti-Bolshevik elements.”
      US officers Sayers and Kahn: "Hundreds of Russians who dared not submit to the new dictator (Kolchak) hung on trees and telegraph poles along the Siberian Railway."
      Russian writer William, who fought in the Denikin army: “In the middle of the village they dug a pole, tied it (the Red Army) higher; They wrapped a rope around the skull, stuck a stake through the rope and - a circular motion! At the end, the soldiers refused to turn, gentlemen, the officers took up. And suddenly we hear: crack! - the skull box shook ... An instructive sight. "
      Yeah, the sight is really instructive. Especially for those who listen with tenderness to songs about the noble lieutenants of the Golitsins and the Cornets of Obolensk. Please note: the soldiers could not stand it, refused, and these, "their nobility", gladly brought the torture to a spectacular ending. An instructive spectacle for Denikin’s current admirers, under whose leadership atrocities were committed in Novorossiysk, both in the dungeons of Denikin’s counterintelligence and right on the streets.
      1. Beefeater
        Beefeater 20 June 2016 20: 49
        -4
        But who argues. That's the civil war.
        There is an eye for an eye. That's just the question of who first started.
        Who destroyed the state apparatus, abolished the tax system, began to print money uncontrollably, abolished freedom of trade, confiscated deposits from the population, and started the Red Terror. Lenin and K.
        And then, in response to this, White began to answer everything.
        The Reds destroyed the state.
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 20 June 2016 20: 57
          +1
          Quote: Beefeater
          Who destroyed the state apparatus, abolished the tax system, began to print money uncontrollably, abolished freedom of trade, and began the Red Terror. Lenin and K.
          And then, in response to this, White began to answer everything.

          historical science knows that the White started the terror, this is so note.

          According to the generally accepted point of view [7], the first acts of "white terror" were celebrated during the anti-Bolshevik uprising in Yaroslavl in July 1918. In the same 1918, the first punitive bodies were created by the anti-Bolshevik Committee of the members of the Constituent Assembly and repressive measures were taken: in August, the Extraordinary Court, the Ministry of Public Order and its emergency unit were established, the death penalty was introduced in September, martial law was established in October and the whole the territory introduced military courts. The Ministry of Public Order was headed by E.F. Rogovsky. About 20 thousand people were arrested and imprisoned.

          In Soviet historiography, the date of the first act of white terror was sometimes considered the 28 of October 1917, when, after the Bolsheviks surrendered in the Kremlin, one of the groups of still unarmed soldiers, as historian S. P. Melgunov writes, suddenly opened fire on the junkers, in response to which, erroneously adopted by the Reds as his own, the white armored car fired back at the people who started shooting. As a result, both the soldiers and the junkers had casualties.

          + + +

          On November 3 (October 21) of October 1918 in Pyatigorsk “by virtue of order No. 3 of October 8 of this year, in response to the diabolical murder of the best comrades, members of the CEC and others, by order of the Extraordinary Commission, ... hostages and persons belonging to counter-revolutionary organizations were shot” there are 59 people, including Princes Sergei, Fedor and Nikolai Urusov, Prince Leonid and Vladimir Shakhovsky, Prince Tumanov, Count Kapnist, Count Bobrinsky, Ministers S. V. Rukhlov and Dobrovolsky, a number of generals, colonels and other senior officials from among [50] [51]. Soon, on November 13 (October 31) of 1918, the Extraordinary Commission to Combat Counter-Revolution at a meeting chaired by Atarbekov ordered the execution of 47 people from among the counter-revolutionaries and counterfeiters [50]. In fact, most of the hostages in Pyatigorsk were not shot, but cut with sabers or daggers. [52] These events were called the Pyatigorsk Massacre.
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 20 June 2016 22: 03
            -1
            The Yaroslavl uprising was raised by the Socialist Revolutionaries; it had no continuation. They drove up artillery and threshed for a long time on the civilian population and then shot all the participants.
            This is known to historical science.
            Samara Komuch, to which you are probably referring, is a SOCIALIST regime, and not white. There are all Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks. They are also white in your opinion. No, they are red, only of a different suit.
            In the Krondstadt Cheka, Prince Andronikov ruled for some time, he was the chief there. The same one. There was still a relative of Dzerzhinsky von Pilhau. That is also a Chekist. The son of maids of honor of the highest court. This is the most worthy.

            These are the assistants Felix had.

            About Bela Kun, Countrywoman and their art in Crimea to tell?
    7. ARES623
      ARES623 21 June 2016 07: 28
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      Quote: White Guard
      No matter how the defenders of the red executioners squealed (and in the infernal pan, the defenders of the killers of the Russian people will scream even louder!) But Mannerheim, along with Vlasov, by the way, is one of the iconic Russian national heroes of the 20 century!

      Your main task in life is to eat cheese, smoke weed and smear with petroleum jelly. We will figure out who our heroes are without your help. Your heroes are your problems. With your heroes, your country is in eternal occupation. Your main goal is a full belly and a warm pot. the story is not about you.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 June 2016 10: 15
    +1
    There was already a version that it was our deflection towards the Finns, so that they would not join NATO.
    1. tracer
      tracer 20 June 2016 16: 36
      +4
      And the Finns thought like that ... "hmm .. they are erecting a monument to Mannerheim ... we will not join NATO ..."
  • Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 20 June 2016 10: 22
    +1
    how they hung the board so it will hang, chat, indignant, and that’s it. because the Russian guard will come, led by Putin, and they will put everyone in prison. because the government does not think about the people. But we can’t do anything.
    The funny thing is that when you read comments on VO, then all such patriots, and Putin needs this, this is necessary. and I would have torn all the Bandera people, but I would have been in Syria with the hands of the Ishilovites. commentators on VO condemn Ukrainians for worshiping Bandera, but they themselves are even worse. weakly to show that it is bad to hang such boards.
    ask how many times they blew up a monument to Ermolov. When a monument to a Soviet soldier is demolished in Estonia, people are protesting. when the sovols march, people protest. But is it weak for us to somehow express our protest, or are we just going to whine? [B] IF THERE IS NO PROTEST, THIS EVERYTHING settles ALL, but there are always dissatisfied people!
    It’s not Putin’s fault that we have small salaries, that they take bribes, that they have bad roads, that they put monuments to anyone, but this people. which can only pi ... get sick. sofa warriors !!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 June 2016 05: 57
      +1
      All these words were said by Kostya Andreev lying on the sofa and drinking beer.