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Strategic partner of Russia

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Strategic partner of Russia



The revitalization of the United States in the Asia-Pacific Region (APR), their desire to weaken Russia's influence in the Far East necessitates a search for countermeasures from the Russian side. In this regard, the friendship of Russia with its long-time partner and one of the main actors in this region, China, can be invaluable.

HISTORICAL BASIS

The friendly relations of the USSR and China have developed since the time of the Sino-Japanese War (1937 – 1945).

In the 1930s, the USSR systematically pursued a course of political support for China as a victim of Japanese aggression. In August 1937, the Nonaggression Treaty was signed between China and the USSR, and from 1937 to 1941 the USSR regularly supplied arms and ammunition to China. In total, over this period China was supplied with: 1285 aircraft, 1,6 thousand guns, 82 tank, 14 thousand easel and light machine guns, 1850 cars and tractors.

In 1937-1941, over 5 thousand Soviet citizens worked in China. Among them were military advisers, volunteer pilots, teachers and instructors, assembly workers for aircraft and tanks, aviation and road specialists, bridges, transporters, doctors, etc.

The outbreak of the Great Patriotic War and the deployment of military operations in the Pacific Theater led to the curtailment of cooperation between the USSR and China, but immediately after the surrender of Germany, the Soviet Union began to deploy its troops to the Far East.

August 8 The USSR SNK 1945, following the decisions of the Potsdam Conference, declared war on Japan. Soviet troops launched a decisive offensive in Northeast China. At the same time, Chinese troops also launched an offensive against the Japanese.

14 August, when it became clear that the Kwantung Army suffered a crushing defeat, the Japanese emperor announced the surrender of Japan.

2 September 1945 in the Tokyo Bay aboard the American battleship Missouri by representatives of the United States, Great Britain, USSR, France and Japan signed an act of surrender of the Japanese Armed Forces, and 9 September 1945 of the Chinese General He Inqin, representing both the government of the Chinese Republic and the Allied Command Southeast Asia, accepted the capitulation from the commander of the Japanese troops in China, General Okamura Yasuji.

POSTWAR PERIOD

After the end of the war, friendly relations between the USSR and China began to grow stronger and develop successfully.

On February 14 on February 1950, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong signed the Treaty of Friendship, Alliance, and Mutual Assistance in Moscow. This document designed the highest level in the history of bilateral relations - the military-political union.

Within a few months, this alliance passed the test of strength during the Korean War (1950 – 1953). For three years that the war lasted, the Chinese "people's volunteers" fought with the Americans and their allies, and the USSR at that time covered the "volunteers" and the industrial base in the north-eastern provinces from the air.

In the future, the USSR provided China with all kinds of assistance, transferring to the People's Republic of China all rights under the joint management of the CER, withdrawing its troops from the Port Arthur naval base, giving the Soviet military property in the city of Dalian (Dalny). Construction and reconstruction of 50 large industrial facilities was in full swing, hundreds of Soviet specialists from various industries, agriculture, science and technology, public administration and the media came to China, and thousands of Chinese students studied in Soviet universities.

In the 1949 – 1956 years, with the help of the USSR, basic industries were created in China, industry was nationalized and the collectivization of agriculture was carried out, massive socialist construction was developed, and as a result, China became a state with a rapidly growing economy.

From 1949 to 1969, China was supplied with weapons and military equipment for a total of about 4,1 billion dollars. In addition, 1949 licenses for the production of weapons and military equipment were transferred to 1962 – 650 years. During the period of cooperation, 5250 military advisers and specialists were sent to the People's Republic of China, and 1578 Chinese military personnel were trained at the universities of the USSR Ministry of Defense.

However, from the end of the 50 of the last century began the so-called Soviet-Chinese split, caused by the arrival of liberal-minded leaders headed by Nikita Khrushchev in the USSR. Harsh criticism of Stalin and his policies began in the USSR, which began, as it was called in the PRC, a “great war of ideas between China and the USSR.” The conflict culminated in border clashes around Damansky Island in 1969 on the Ussuri River between parts of the Soviet Army and the People’s Liberation Army of China. Owing to these clashes, the military ties of the USSR and the PRC were terminated.

COOPERATION IS RESUMED

After a break of many years, military-technical ties between Russia and China resumed only in 1992, on the basis of an intergovernmental agreement on military-technical cooperation, signed on November 24 and 1992, and a Memorandum of Understanding between the governments of Russia and the PRC on military-technical cooperation, which was signed December 18 1992 of the year. In accordance with the agreement, a Russian-Chinese commission on military-technical cooperation was formed, which meets once a year in Moscow and Beijing.

November 11 The 1993 Agreement was signed on military cooperation between the defense ministries of the two countries. From this point on, direct links were established between the Armed Forces of Russia and the People’s Liberation Army of China.

The legal framework for Russian-Chinese relations was the signing of 16 on July 2001 in Moscow by the President of the Russian Federation and the Chairman of the People’s Republic of China of the Treaty on Good-Neighborhood, Friendship and Cooperation, which was concluded for 20 years with the possibility of automatic extension for the next five-year periods. In accordance with the agreement, Russia and China pledged to develop an equal partnership and strategic cooperation on a long-term basis, including in the military sphere. In the event of a threat to the world or a threat of aggression, Moscow and Beijing immediately come in contact and hold consultations in order to eliminate the threat that has arisen. The Treaty also provides for joint efforts of the parties to maintain the global strategic balance and coordinate international action in the prevention and resolution of conflicts.

Within the framework of the Cooperation Agreement, Russia supplied a large number of military equipment and weapons to China.

In particular, in the 1992 – 2000 years, Russia delivered the 281 heavy fighter Su-27 / 30, 1 thousand of Krasnopol, 1,2 thousand short-range air-to-air missiles to the People's Republic of China. In addition, the Russian side transferred to China licenses for the production of Su-27 fighters.

In 1999 – 2000, China received two 956 project destroyers with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles 3M-80 "Mosquito". The cost of the deal on destroyers was approximately 800 million dollars, the cost of 48 missiles was about 100 million dollars. Under the second contract in 2005 – 2006, two more destroyers of the improved 956EM project were transferred to the Chinese Navy. At the same time, China bought four deck-based anti-submarine helicopters Ka-28 for these destroyers, and in 2009 – 2011 years - another nine Ka-28 helicopters and nine helicopters of the radar patrol Ka-31.

In 1997 – 2001 years, 35 anti-aircraft missile systems “Tor-М1” were supplied to the People's Republic of China, in 2002 – 2003 - two shipboard C-300М “Rif-M” air defense systems.

From 2000, China began to supply Buk and Tunguska anti-aircraft missile systems, various guided missiles and bombs, C-300 PMU1 anti-aircraft missile systems, T-80U tanks, etc.

In 2002, Rosoboronexport signed a contract for the supply of eight diesel-electric submarines (diesel-electric submarines) of the 636 project, equipped with the Club-S missile systems (cost - about $ 1,5 billion), for the Chinese Navy. The last, eighth, diesel-electric submarine was set up in 2006 year.

In addition, over the years, the Smerch multiple rocket launcher, Metis and Konkur anti-tank missile systems and other weapons were supplied to the PRC.

In 2011, the Russian Military-Industrial Company sent 25 vehicle sets of Tiger for an armored car to China for assembly in that country, then China received another 25 Tigers and signed a contract for the supply of 10 vehicles.

In 2011 – 2012, Rosoboronexport concluded a contract with the Chinese Ministry of Defense to supply more than 400 aircraft engines AL-31Ф / ФН.

In 2013, Russia and China signed an agreement on the supply of four Lada-type submarines and agreed to purchase China's 117C heavy engines, the Il-76 military transport aircraft and the Il-78 tanker aircraft.

At present, China has successfully launched the production of modern weapons systems, including space, naval, nuclear missile and other military equipment. Nevertheless, it is impossible to do without Russian assistance to the Chinese military-industrial complex. China failed to overcome the lag behind Russia and highly developed Western countries in the field of electronic systems, engine-building, ship and aviation energy.

Considering that, historically, the PLA was armed with most of the equipment of Soviet-Russian production, then, proceeding from the national interests of the PRC, it is more expedient to acquire the latest technologies and certain types of weapons from Russia, rather than Western production, especially since Russia has the ability to use such technologies and weapons to offer. In turn, for Russia, it is essential that the Chinese side is sufficiently solvent.

Today, China is interested in acquiring Su-33 deck-based fighters for its aircraft carriers under construction, the newest Su-35 fighters, guided bombs, aircraft engines, cruise missiles and submarines, high-precision electronics for guidance systems, sonar stations, radars and other equipment, where Chinese manufacturers lag behind Russian ones noticeably

In 2015, China entered into a contract with Russia to purchase the C-400 anti-aircraft missile system. In the same year, Russia and the PRC signed the largest aviation contract for the purchase of X-NUMX Su-24 multi-purpose fighters. The amount of the transaction is estimated at no less than 35 billion dollars. The Chinese military, therefore, became the first foreign customers of the C-2 air defense system and Su-400 fighter jets, before that they were operated only by the Russian space forces.

It should be noted and the outlined cooperation in the Russian-Chinese military-technical cooperation. We are talking about the joint production of new heavy transport helicopters, wide-bodied aircraft, diesel-electric submarines from Russian parts with partial use of Chinese. In addition, Russian and Chinese experts are conducting various research and development work in the field of creating new and modernizing old weapons.

Thus, at present, China is interested in military-technical cooperation with Russia in the following areas:

- import of modern fighters, aircraft and ship engines, high-precision electronics;

- the acquisition of licenses for the production technology of complex high-tech weapons and equipment;

- joint research and development;

- repair and modernization of previously supplied weapons, military and special equipment.

Military cooperation between China and the Russian Federation is developing in many areas, including the training of Chinese military specialists: Chinese military personnel are trained at Russian universities, crews of submarines and surface ships, as well as air defense pilots are trained at Russian training centers.

The exchange of military delegations is expanding, joint Russian-Chinese military exercises are held annually, and a consultation mechanism is established on strategic security issues.

The Russian-Chinese military exercises being conducted are an example of a strategic partnership between Moscow and Beijing to neutralize US policy. Thanks to cooperation, Russia and China not only vividly demonstrate their unity in the confrontation with the United States, but also show the world a powerful force in this confrontation.

In general, military-technical and military cooperation strengthens the mutual confidence of the two countries and leads Russia and China to establish mutual relations on economic and political issues, as well as on issues of global and regional security.

CAUSES OF MILITARY AND POLITICAL RADIATIONS OF RUSSIA AND CHINA


Russia and China are moving in the same direction today. Reuters Photos

At present, the situation in the Asia-Pacific region is becoming increasingly tense. This is due to the nuclear tests of the DPRK, aggravated territorial disputes between Russia and Japan, China and Japan, Vietnam, Pakistan, India and other countries, and the joint military exercises of the United States, Japan and South Korea.

The “Turn to Asia” strategy proclaimed by US President Barack Obama in 2011, is frankly directed against China and Russia. The US naval forces are being pushed into the Pacific basin, the US military treaties with Japan, South Korea and Australia are becoming more active, and new US military ties are being established with Vietnam, Singapore, the Philippines, and Malaysia.

At a conference on security in Asia, held in June 2013 in Singapore, the US Secretary of Defense announced Washington’s intention to redeploy 2020% of naval and air forces currently based outside his country to the Asia-Pacific region.

At present, the United States, together with its allies, is creating obstacles to the development of China and Russia in the APR, is restraining the influence of Beijing and Moscow, and strengthening its hegemony in it. US policy is aimed at fueling territorial disputes and other acute problems of the PRC and Russia in the APR. In addition, the United States is attempting to prevent China and Russia from entering the Trans-Pacific Trade Partnership hastily created by them.

Under these conditions, Russia and China are obliged to clearly define their positions in the interests of stabilizing the situation in the APR.

Both countries do not accept the US policy of intervening in the affairs of other states and the idea of ​​a unipolar world. Therefore, in order to resist the hegemony of the United States, Russia and China are forced to create their own powerful alliance.

Washington’s risky decisions at the beginning of the 21st century to unleash wars in the Middle and Middle East, which led to disastrous consequences for Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and destroyed stability around the world, make their contribution to the rapprochement of Russia and China.

CONFRONT "THREE FORCE OF EVIL"

Russia and China are united and brought together by the need to confront the "three forces of evil" - separatism, extremism and terrorism.

Russia and China are taking a tough stance on the territorial integrity of their countries and need each other’s mutual support in defending their interests before the world community in eliminating hotbeds of separatism. For Russia, this is primarily the North Caucasus, for China - the problem of Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang.

Attempts by the West to organize color revolutions in Russia, as it was in 2012 on Bolotnaya Square in Moscow, and in China, as it was in 1989 on Tiananmen Square in Beijing and in 2014 in Hong Kong, are forcing both countries to look for ways to counter internal extremism and the export of “soft power”, both independently and through joint efforts.

Russia stresses the importance of practical cooperation with China in the fight against radical Islam, especially in the zone adjacent to the territory of the two countries - in Central Asia, since the possible strengthening of Islamic extremism in this region is capable of hitting both states.

China is concerned about the influence that radical Islam can have on its Muslim population. For example, in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region there are about 1 million Kazakhs, 375 thousand Kyrgyz and many representatives of other Central Asian peoples.

Russia, in turn, is concerned that the growing influence of radical Islam will adversely affect the millions of Russians who remain in the countries of Central Asia and will create complex problems along the long border with the Muslim world.

Therefore, Moscow and Beijing cannot indifferently look at the penetration of radical Islam from this region from other Muslim countries, especially Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Cooperation in the fight against international terrorism is of great importance for Russia and China. In this regard, there is a deepening of cooperation within the framework of the Regional Antiterrorist Structure of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (RATS SCO) and giving new impetus to strengthening the legal base of the RATS SCO, saturating the antiterrorist interaction with new practical content, which ensures a successful solution of security issues regional conflicts in the APR.

TERRIBLE DREAM FOR USA

The United States and its allies, pursuing a policy of containing Russia and China in the APR, themselves push the two neighboring countries towards each other.

"As the international situation becomes more complex, the intensification of contacts and coordination between China and Russia will become increasingly necessary, the head of the Chinese state stressed," reports the news agency of the PRC Government Xinhua.

In turn, the Daily People's Daily, published by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, frankly writes that "a strategic rapprochement between China and Russia is becoming an anchor of world stability."

The Russian-Chinese axis being created, in contrast to the existing American-Japanese axis, is aimed at forming a multipolar world and ensuring a global strategic balance.

At the beginning of 2012, the Russian-language electronic version of the Renmin Zhibao newspaper published an article by a researcher at the Center for Strategic Studies of China, Dai Xu, entitled "China and Russia should create a Eurasian alliance." The article, in particular, says: “... rapprochement between China and Russia is the inevitable result of US strategic pressure, as well as the choice made by the parties for their own survival ... China and Russia separately lag far behind the US and only together possess a powerful force ... The interaction between China and Russia will not only help advance the security and development of the two states, but can also attract the attention of other countries in Eurasia, including Iran and Pakistan, in order to disrupt the strategic plans Ana USA in the region ... "

Experts warn that “the involvement of the Russian and Chinese armies in the integration process turns this formation into a powerful bloc that will become even more powerful than NATO led by the United States ... the mere addition of the Russian and Chinese military potentials can lead to discouragement for Washington and its allies the result - if the military integration of China and Russia is realized, it will be a serious counterbalance to the existing "devouring" NATO policy. "

The futility of countering (at least the military) to such a union is understood in the West — and the “US nuclear war projects with Russia and China” voiced by American experts will remain only “virtual exercises” by American generals.

No wonder the leading ideologist of US foreign policy, Zbigniew Brzezinski, warned that "the cohesion of Eurasia is a bad dream for the United States." In his opinion, the combination of political forces in Eurasia will lead to the fact that the United States will not be able to dominate the world.

MILITARY UNION OR STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP

“Despite the large-scale military cooperation, Russia and China do not plan to create an official military alliance ... Creating a military organization like NATO would contradict the principles that guide Russia and China. The countries intend to develop cooperation in the military sphere, but not to form blocs, ”said Tian Chunshen, an analyst at the Russian Research Center at the State Council of the PRC.

It should be noted that the Chinese leadership, in 1982, formulated a line on non-entry into alliances with great powers, explaining that allied relations "can weaken the will of the PRC to resist the negative actions of a partner, attempts to use China to the detriment of its interests." It was pointed out that such a union would “impede normal contacts with other countries of the world.”

The weak side of military alliances is that each country that belongs to the union has its own interests. Therefore, the creation of a military alliance leads to the appearance of a large number of risks. The Union restricts diplomatic independence and freedom of its member countries, while China and Russia clearly do not intend to make these factors dependent on others.

In 2010, at the suggestion of China, Russian-Chinese relations were characterized using a new formula - a comprehensive strategic partnership.

“We believe that in today's rapidly changing conditions, the strategic partnership relations that exist between China and Russia are most appropriate. They have absorbed historical lessons and experiences that best fit the law of development of relations between the two countries and their internal political realities. This type of relationship is supported by both the ruling elite and the peoples of the PRC and the Russian Federation. All this contributes to long-term and stable relations between countries, the report says, which was prepared based on the results of research by the Fudan University Research Center and the Russian Council on International Affairs. - Strategic partnerships have a functional elasticity and wide opportunities for development. If Russia and China encounter important issues in the international arena, such relations can be transformed into closer relations, allied, without defining mutual long-term obligations. ”

Thus, it is not necessary to conclude a Russian-Chinese military alliance, since the existing strategic partnership relations correspond to the level of bilateral relations, and their capabilities are sufficient to respond to the emerging challenges and to meet the conditions of strategic interaction.

At the same time, during a meeting between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin in September 2014, the Chinese side expressed a desire to increase the level of strategic partnership with Russia, create new development opportunities through mutual exchange and offer joint resistance to external challenges and threats. Chinese-Russian cohesion is designed to resist external pressure and threats, maintain strategic balance and international stability.

JOINT SOLUTION OF INTERNATIONAL PROBLEMS

China and Russia have common interests and adhere to similar positions on a wide range of international problems (multipolarity and polycentricity of the world, ways to resolve situations in a number of problematic countries and regions, etc.).

“Russia and China have created joint mechanisms for solving international problems, and often come up with common global initiatives. The main multilateral regional platform is the SCO, its regional anti-terrorism structure has been operating since 2002. In the future, the BRICS union will play a similar role, but already at the global level, ”says Oleg Timofeev, Ph.D.

In 2011, the Russian-Chinese tandem demonstrated unity in the UN resolution on Syria.

China supported the actions of Russia in connection with euromaidan, the Ukrainian coup and other events in Ukraine. 21 November 2014, the Chinese Foreign Ministry explicitly stated that China supports the Russian approach to resolving the Ukrainian crisis. This was announced to journalists by the Acting Director of the Department of Europe and Central Asia at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the PRC, Gui Tsunyu In addition, Gui Tsunyu approved the reunification of the Crimea with Russia. "We know well the history of the ownership of the Crimea," - said the representative of China.

In turn, Russia supports the principle of the PRC’s territorial integrity. After the adoption by the People’s Republic of China in March 2005 of the law “On Countering the Split of the Country”, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation expressed “an understanding of the motives” of the adoption of this law. According to Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko, "we believe that there is only one China in the world, of which Taiwan is an integral part."

China has not withdrawn from Russia and in solving the problem of the Syrian crisis. As the Austrian newspaper Presse writes, in addition to Russian, Iranian and American weapons, Chinese are also supplied to Syria. Also, China supplies weapons to Iran, which is an ally of the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

China has four times blocked anti-Syrian resolutions in the UN Security Council. And on November 14, 2015, representatives of Chinese diplomacy joined the negotiations in Vienna on a Syrian settlement.

At present, joint efforts of Russia and China are aimed at solving the nuclear issue of the DPRK in the framework of the six-party talks.

In general, at the present stage, Russian-Chinese international relations are characterized by a wide range of areas of interaction, including intensive top-level contacts, cooperation in the UN Security Council, joint participation in international and regional organizations, such as the SCO, APEC and BRICS.

BASIC GUARANTEE FOR MAINTAINING PEACE ON THE PLANET

At present, the achieved level of Russian-Chinese relations meets the modern needs of ensuring the national security of Russia and China.

23 August 2015, in an article for Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted that Russian-Chinese relations "are the best in history and continue to develop steadily."

“Russia and China need each other,” political analyst Timofey Bordachev notes. - For Moscow, Beijing is the largest international political partner in the history that you can rely on. And for China, Russia is a guarantee that no one will crush him in the political arena. ”

In the future, Moscow and Beijing will be able to change the model of behavior of any state if its actions pose a threat to the modern world.

At the same time, leaders in Beijing and Moscow have repeatedly stated that “Russian-Chinese rapprochement is not directed against third countries, including against the United States, and this is true in the sense that the United States and the West are not considered by China or Russia as an enemy . On the contrary, both sides are extremely interested in economic and political cooperation with the West. It is the most important factor in the development of both countries and, therefore, is fully consistent with their strategic goals. ”

In conclusion, let us quote one more quotation from the article of Dai Xu in Renmin zhibao: “The interaction of China and Russia provided a basic guarantee for maintaining peace in the world in the 21st century.”
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  1. Hundred
    Hundred 19 June 2016 18: 35
    +28
    China will never be our strategic partner simply because of territorial claims - so a fellow traveler on some stretch of the way - yes, it’s like in 39 when partly part of Europe was Stalin and Hitler. And both acted in our own interests. We returned what belongs to us by right Hitler, where the West was pushing him. But there were many intersections on the political road ... so that later they could meet again in the trenches ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 June 2016 19: 11
      +25
      Quote: Hundert
      China will never be our strategic partner simply because of territorial claims - so a fellow traveler on some stretch of the way - yes, it’s like in 39 when partly part of Europe was Stalin and Hitler. And both acted in our own interests. We returned what belongs to us by right Hitler, where the West was pushing him. But there were many intersections on the political road ... so that later they could meet again in the trenches ...


      It’s absolutely true, they will observe only their interests, but it must be used, interests coincide, as at the moment.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 20 June 2016 00: 27
        +6
        Quote: cniza

        It’s absolutely true, they will observe only their interests, but it must be used, interests coincide, as at the moment.

        In the end, forget about friendship and not only with the PRC. There are interests: economic, political, geopolitical, but in international relations there is no and will not be friendship. Each country defends its interests and supports yours if it is profitable. This is said not only about relations with the PRC, this is how any international relations take shape.
        1. dauria
          dauria 20 June 2016 09: 31
          +2
          In the end, forget about friendship and not only


          And in politics, no one ever takes into account intentionstake into account potential. Or do you think that diplomats are taught differently from Lavrov?

          There is China, there is its military-industrial power. Take into account. There are India, Vietnam, Japan and US interests next to him. All their Wishlist and most importantly -capabilities will take into account. It will be necessary, and the United States and the Japanese will become our ally, China, too, from Chukotka to Australia, will not live in it. Or vice versa, we will support the Chinese in some piece of history.
          I think the Americans are not fools, their main competitor for leadership in the world is not us, but the PRC.
          Now it’s our time to sit on a Christmas tree and watch the tigers below fight.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 19 June 2016 19: 40
      +14
      It is strange to be "friends" with China, which claims a considerable share of Siberia, and even without quotes the friendly Mongolia of Russia. And if you are "friends", then look very much so as not to get a knife in your back at the most inopportune moment. I don't want to read in the news at one far from perfect moment "everything is calm on the Finnish-Chinese border."
      1. PKK
        PKK 19 June 2016 19: 51
        +2
        China will not be greyhound and destroy ties with Russia. It is very vulnerable in itself. With one powerful bomb off the coast, the critical quality of industry is washed away. And China comes kayuk. China will certainly deceive Russia, but just so that it would not relax.
        1. arane
          arane 19 June 2016 21: 40
          +3
          Quote: PKK
          China will not be greyhound and destroy ties with Russia. It is very vulnerable in itself. With one powerful bomb off the coast, the critical quality of industry is washed away. And China comes kayuk. China will certainly deceive Russia, but just so that it would not relax.


          Plus sign from me for the opinion. One powerful bomb? The average population density in China is 138 people. per sqm China's population density reaches 20 000 people per square meter. km in residential areas. Since in China there is a lot of land unsuitable for life.
          The average population density of the far east is 8 people per sq.m. The population of China is almost 1,4 billion people. In Russia, 10 times less. The size of the army of Russia in 3 times less. And the Chinese are still reservists of millions of 200. Well, let there be thousands of 400 RF Armed Forces beyond the Urals. What are you going to bomb there? Technological excellence? Having bitten off quickly, almost without resistance, the Far East, the Chinese will roll out an ultimatum. Will you use nuclear weapons in your territory? By the way, the Chinese have it too. Let the majority be intercepted. Something will fly. Only if the Chinas lose half the people will they survive it. And here we are ....
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 20 June 2016 02: 29
            0
            Quote: arane
            Will you use nuclear weapons in your territory?
            Well, why so? Across Beijing, Shanghai, and generally the entire coastal densely populated strip. And there was chemistry in the arsenals of the USSR, probably still somewhere somewhere lies, but no, it’s not great work to do it. The same sarin is made even in artisanal conditions, it works reliably, and in the presence of water, even with minimal air humidity, it quickly decomposes into harmless products. Pour the places of concentration of the invading Chinese with sarin, and all business. After a week or two, you can safely enter and take the dead into cattle burial grounds.
            1. kuz363
              kuz363 20 June 2016 06: 58
              0
              Will you make sarin yourself in artisanal conditions? Or lying on the couch?
          2. kuz363
            kuz363 20 June 2016 06: 56
            +2
            There was evidence that China could put up to 200 million people under arms! Moreover, it is not necessary to provide illiterate peasants with modern weapons. enough rifle or machine gun. And given their unpretentiousness in everyday conditions, the composition of the food. moral stability, we can say that they will be worthy opponents, especially in the sabotage and partisan war. Unlike civilized armies.
      2. poquello
        poquello 19 June 2016 19: 56
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        It is strange to be "friends" with China, which claims a considerable share of Siberia, and even without quotes the friendly Mongolia of Russia. And if you are "friends", then look very much so as not to get a knife in your back at the most inopportune moment. I don't want to read in the news at one far from perfect moment "everything is calm on the Finnish-Chinese border."

        about the border of China with Finland, a joke from the times of the USSR, to Grymza Albright jawed to Siberia, the United States with the sixes, and not the Chinese, are engaged in the weakening of Russia
      3. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 20 June 2016 03: 19
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        claiming a considerable piece of Siberia

        Excuse me, do you live on a bite piece of Siberia? For some reason, everyone is sure that China claims ..?
        Should have been, and claims, these are two different things. Well, I haven’t heard what I would have claimed, and, what is intended, in the coming decades.
        And if we begin to exaggerate this bike - we will repeat the Ukrainian way.
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 June 2016 19: 59
      +11
      "A pedestrian is not a companion to a horseman"
      It is absolutely clear that China will not participate in any "campaign against the West." Its trade with the West is simply incomparable with the trade with Russia, but this is not the only point. For China, there is nothing more important than relations with advanced countries. It is in Western universities (and not here for a long time) that Chinese students have been studying en masse for a long time and receive scientific degrees. It is in the West that China draws new technologies, modern organization and knowledge - the main source of its accelerated development. Therefore, China does not know any Western sanctions and diligently avoids them.

      Isolation of Russia from advanced countries is a huge gain for China. I do not mean even territorial claims, which China has so far postponed. In all our agreements, China automatically takes on the role of leader, because he has a choice, but we have practically none.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 19 June 2016 21: 41
        -2
        We have a choice, but so far the people of the country and the country are blocked by the power of the liberals, it is not too late to clear everything out and actually become a strong country.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 21: 48
          +1
          Quote: NordUral
          We have a choice, but so far the people of the country and the country are blocked by the power of the liberals, it is not too late to clear everything out and actually become a strong country.

          while number 1 in the rating of the most delusional comments of the branch.
          However, it is not surprising.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 4 July 2016 16: 35
          0
          Two liberals or a troll on a solder ransacked, as I see.
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 20 June 2016 07: 41
        +4
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        It is absolutely clear that China will not participate in any "campaign against the West." Its trade with the West is simply incomparable with the trade with Russia, but this is not the only point. For China, there is nothing more important than relations with advanced countries. It is in Western universities (and not here for a long time) that Chinese students have been studying en masse for a long time and receive scientific degrees. It is in the West that China draws new technologies, modern organization and knowledge - the main source of its accelerated development. Therefore, China does not know any Western sanctions and diligently avoids them.

        A trip to the west is doubtful, but a war on the territory of China with the west is possible. Students study, so what? History knows a lot of examples of wars between recent "partners." Moreover, the Chinese practically do not assimilate, even after moving to a permanent place of residence in USA.
        Today in the United States there is "cooperation" with China, and tomorrow "patriots" who stand up for the return of production to the States will come to power, and the Chinese will immediately become enemies number one.

        We are not the Chinese friends. And not allies. People are slippery, resourceful, vile in the East. The whole history of robbing us secretly and openly. We will never succeed in "fusion of cultures" and they must be kept at a distance.
        Will you use nuclear weapons in your territory?
        Better your own infected than someone else's and clean.
        The Chinese will invade a second front when we get bogged down in a war with the West. And then there will be no sentiment.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 June 2016 20: 14
      0
      I won’t be surprised if this kind of alliance turns out to be the strongest
      When countries push national interests and necessity to each other. This is not NATO or the EU, where both have to constantly compromise. And the formality ... "Are you checkers, or should you go?"
    5. magician
      magician 19 June 2016 21: 03
      +3
      I agree. Not that mentality, we will be partners in peacetime, but the question is how they will behave in case of trouble. Remember the story, they lay down under someone or felt strong and began to bite off a piece from a neighbor.
      1. poquello
        poquello 19 June 2016 22: 27
        +1
        Quote: wizard
        I agree. Not that mentality, we will be partners in peacetime, but the question is how they will behave in case of trouble. Remember the story, they lay down under someone or felt strong and began to bite off a piece from a neighbor.

        maybe remember another story
        Speech by the President of the United States of America, William (Bill) Clinton, at a closed meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on October 25, 1995: “Over the past ten years, the policy towards the USSR and its allies has convincingly proved the course we have taken to eliminate one of the strongest powers in the world, as well as the strongest military block. Using the mistakes of Soviet diplomacy, the extreme arrogance of Gorbachev and his entourage, including those who openly took a pro-American position, we achieved what President Truman was going to do with the Soviet Union through the atomic bomb. True, with one significant difference - we got a raw materials appendage, a state not destroyed by an atom, which would not be easy to create. Yes, we spent many billions of dollars on this, but they are now close to what the Russians call "self-sufficiency." For four years, we and our allies received various strategic raw materials worth $ 15 billion, hundreds of tons of gold, precious stones, etc. Under non-existent projects, over 20 thousand tons of copper, almost 50 thousand tons of aluminum, 2 thousand tons of cesium, beryllium, strontium, etc., were transferred to us for negligible amounts. During the years of the so-called perestroika in the USSR, many of our military and businessmen did not believe in the success of the upcoming operation. And in vain. Having shaken the ideological foundations of the USSR, we were able to bloodlessly withdraw from the war for world domination the state that is the main competitor to America. Our goal and task is to continue to provide assistance to everyone who wants to see us as a model of Western freedom and democracy.
        Read more at http://www.politonline.ru/provocation/9581.html
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 20 June 2016 03: 46
          0
          Quote: poquello
          Speech by President of the United States of America William (Bill) Clinton
          Link to the original in English? So, to compare the translation. And then the same Palestinians shout "jihad!" In Arabic, and in English, and Russian too, some translate as "we are for peace."
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 20 June 2016 04: 46
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: poquello
            Speech by President of the United States of America William (Bill) Clinton
            Link to the original in English? So, to compare the translation. And then the same Palestinians shout "jihad!" In Arabic, and in English, and Russian too, some translate as "we are for peace."

            But what if the original is different, does it somehow change the US policy towards Russia (USSR)?
            Or are we all wrong again? Do they still wish us well? laughing
    6. Asadullah
      Asadullah 19 June 2016 23: 25
      +3
      China will never be our strategic partner simply because of territorial claims


      And there are no territorial claims. What is enshrined in the agreement on this subject between the PRC and the Russian Federation. Moreover, I note the only one. In China there is no longer such an agreement with any neighboring country, even with Pakistan. Even when Merkel presented China with an ancient map of the times of the dynasties, the Chinese administration officially clarified that China is unshakable in its modernly defined borders and the various options for the outlines of ancient kingdoms have nothing to do with the modern version. It was just a promise to those countries of Europe that were comforting themselves with emissions, for property conflicts of the Russian Federation and China. A very wise decision was made at one time.

      In fact, the PRC is today the only strategic partner of the Russian Federation, for it is really independent, despite the almost kinship relationship with the United States. All other "partners" are dependent. Or from Russia itself, or from the United States, or from world financial institutions. The USSR-Germany comparison is generally not correct. Primarily because there are no historical parallels. Not a penny.

      Despite the fact that you completely disagree with your method of comparison and argumentation, you are right subconsciously. First of all, we change the concept strategic partneron the concept military ally. In the foreseeable future, the PRC will never become an unconditional military ally with the Russian Federation. First of all, because countries pursue a completely separate policy from each other. But, secret military protocols certainly exist. They outline the interaction according to a specific defense scenario. Moreover, they are constantly supplemented, quantitatively and qualitatively. This can be judged by the outbursts of diplomatic relations and subsequent events. In order for China to become an official military ally, it is necessary to create a single economic space of the Pacific and Indian Ocean countries. And in this case, Russia will have to sacrifice some independence of decision-making in foreign policy. The second point, both countries are strong enough separately to repel any aggression. And today such an agreement is not needed for defense, there are enough hidden protocols.

      The third point, today a total war has been replaced by economic wars. The state, the undisputed economic leader, is absorbing weaker countries into its economic orbit. Today it is the United States, which absorbs countries completely destroying their sovereignty. China is already a challenge, it is China that is introducing relativistic effects into world politics, weakening the influence of the United States, making the structure of its influence loose and amorphous. If the Celestial Empire succeeds in creating a model of takeover, where countries will have a greater share of independence and political valency, then the collapse of the United States as a superpower is a foregone conclusion.
    7. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 20 June 2016 03: 14
      -1
      Quote: Hundert
      China will never be our strategic partner simply because of territorial claims

      Something I, I do not remember, that China would at least once make territorial claims.
      Quote: Hundert
      so a fellow traveler on some stretch of path

      If the period of 100 years or more, this is called strategic partnership.
      Quote: Hundert
      acted in their own interests.

      All act only in their own interests, there are no altruists. This is simple, do not forget.
      And China is a much more conscientious trading partner than the Anglo-Saxon crook, they are trading honestly.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 20 June 2016 04: 51
        0
        Minusers are bad! Have you already fought with China? laughing

        PS Normal, smooth, trading, mutually beneficial relations with a neighbor. Here is what we need. Whatever, does not cancel the maintenance of military parity. And such warriors - minuschers are now ruling Ukraine - the result is obvious. Oh yes, back in Turkey, too, the minuser is sitting, he has foreign trade and tourism rushing, a direct economic miracle is happening before our eyes laughing
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 20 June 2016 13: 55
          +1
          Minusers are bad!


          laughing Yes, waking you up, stupidity is the environment in which we live. It makes no sense to react to the manifestations of this environment. If you are going to the beach, and it is raining, you are unlikely to shout to the sky: - "What the fuck !!!".
    8. Svoy_tovarish
      Svoy_tovarish 20 June 2016 08: 11
      +1
      Now another debate of politicians was shown on the channel Russia. And one clever statesman says - "with the alliance of Russia with China, Iran and India, we can build some kind of our own independent line and something and oppose the US and NATO, etc., etc. Who generally lets people on the air Well, with India it is quite possible. It is still possible to imagine. And Iran? Our old enemy and rival in the region, and now a competitor in the oil sale and the state is ready to cooperate with the US to unfreeze assets and ease sanctions, which does not support anything us.
      What about China? What side can he be a strategic partner? In 10-15 years, his armed forces will be inaccessible even to NATO. What to say about us? Human resources and tightly oriented policies allow them to develop at a high speed. The 90s gave them access to our technologies, and now they produce everything the army needs. There is at least one confirmation of our alliance, except for our sale of military equipment and resources to them. Or maybe China supported us somewhere?
  2. marshes
    marshes 19 June 2016 18: 41
    +4
    But seriously, if not friendship with Mao.
    The USSR could find an ally in the XUAR, Seriously could increase part of the territories in the east. And now China would represent a territory where only the Khans live.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 19 June 2016 20: 51
      +1
      Hello Swamp!
      In my opinion, the most interesting thing at the St. Petersburg Forum is the announcement of the creation of an economic alliance between the EAEU and the PRC. And that negotiations will begin with a visit from the GDP to Beijing. If our leaders agree, then over time there will be no "barriers" to trade with China. And this is very bad for Europe. All raw materials (not only energy resources, but also, for example, timber) will be easier to sell in the PRC. On the other hand: is it profitable for the PRC. In my opinion, YES, tk. it is easier and safer to haul raw materials by land than from Africa or Lat. America. And the main problem of the PRC will disappear. Great potential for whales. investments in our same transport infrastructure (for example, the Far East). And since the average salary has become equal in our countries, then the whale. It is profitable for industrialists to process (at least primary) raw materials here.
      For us, an immense market for agricultural products opens. The same meat, for example. There is much more to be done here - for example, the Russian Federation can insist on copyrights for its defense industry products, and it will be much cheaper for the Chinese to buy those engines in the Russian Federation or something else.
      So the BIG EURASIA project Europe across the throat. Although the NAS also proposed to hold EU-EAEU negotiations, it must be assumed that the EU will not do this, and will lose a lot.
      At the same time, I understand very well that initially there will be some restrictions on trade (quotas, etc.). But the strategic prospects are obvious. There are India, Iran and Pakistan. The market is unprecedented, NATO militarily just resting. It must be assumed that this is a response to the US efforts to unite markets in its favor in Europe and Asia. This, in my opinion, is the most interesting moment on the forum - it’s not in vain that NAS came there. The last visit to this forum was the creation of the EAEU. hi
      1. marshes
        marshes 19 June 2016 21: 50
        0
        Quote: Kasym
        Hello Swamp!

        Salam Alekum Dauren.
        I understand the economy and so on ...
        So he threw the bones ...
        I advise in Australia to buy something rather south of the equator ....
        Without general nuclear disarmament, by the age of 24-25 this will happen ...
        grab everything to the fullest and China ....
        Fig dreams I have ...
        Themselves in the NZ, already bought a house ... I advise you as an investor 200 oblique need to invest.
        They have been living there since Kyrgyzstan since 98.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 19 June 2016 23: 34
          +3
          I do not have such apocalyptic moods. There must be no suicides. But trade wars and the struggle for markets do not cease.
          The old woman Europe, with its burdensome bureaucratic apparatus, simply does not keep pace with this changing world, especially under such a overlord. And why are everyone so afraid of the Chinese - they will come forward to rule here - they have nothing more to do ?! It is clear after all that they are more interested in raw materials, but they will also have to open up, which they never did for anyone. And this whole whale. expansion is decided by the migration policy - we have more Koreans in the city, and the Chinese can’t have more than 30-10% of their staff - which Russians don’t stir up something like that, I don’t understand. The Chinese alternative solves many problems: from sales and investment markets to long-term loans. But the EU of that gas and other resources may not be enough corny. And it will be very interesting for me to watch them - their Euro-solidarity will collapse under the nat. interests of individual countries. Well, for example, eastern Europe, which is under Warsaw. The contract sat and rose on cheap Soviet energy sources - Lafa ends and even tomorrow they will not see transit. Not for nothing Miller said that Gazprom was losing 20% ​​of its revenues due to transit through Ukraine. And here you have the PRC, Japan and Korea; which overlap European consumption grew. gas.
          If, before the creation of the CU (EAEU), we need to develop villages in special need. households did not have; now (especially with Greater Eurasia) you can and should earn good money. I’m not talking about all kinds of oil or coal. But it makes sense to process the same agricultural raw materials into a finished product - pasta, etc. - no restrictions. I’m not talking there about fertilizers and chemistry, for example gasoline (refinery system) - now these are barriers. There is a sense in the construction of nuclear power plants - more electricity will be needed. Take the same textile - sew here, and not drive cotton and fabric from it for export - examples of the cloud can be cited. Wait and see. hi
          It would be cool to see a T-shirt in China with the inscription "Made in Kazakhstan" - the average salary, and even more so in the southern villages, is lower than in the PRC. laughing
  3. dr. sem
    dr. sem 19 June 2016 18: 44
    +5
    About "friendly China". It is advisable (obligatory) to watch to the end! For regular BOTS, VO will not be interesting.
    1. killganoff
      killganoff 19 June 2016 20: 00
      +3
      I can add to the above. Now, today, hourly serious and painstaking work is underway to develop not only the southeast of our vast Motherland. Just the other day, I had the opportunity to attend one very interesting event in the oldest Pomeranian village - Lopshenga, Arkhangelsk Region. So, the LEGEND of all actions: Preservation of the traditional Pomeranian culture.
      The real and long-term goal is to search and cultivate the cultural and historical ties of the peoples of the North of Russia with the inhabitants of Norway, Finland and other nationalities of Tseevropa.
      I had previously heard about the program announced by the United States, and the beginning of research in this area, but I did not think that this is already turning into "hardware"!
      Most of the costs of the last event were paid by the Norwegian side through environmental and environmental organizations. There was an observer from a neighboring state, sorry he did not speak Russian, only through an interpreter or in English, in Russian he could only say "hello" and "LIKE IT IS LIKE LIKE AT MY HOUSE IN NORWAY!"
      PS I never could have thought that Ukraine would become a separate state. We have always been the people of one country, we had one homeland!

      Can anyone read from the appropriate structures ?!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 20 June 2016 09: 34
        0
        My conviction is growing more and more that all these "our" structures are not ours at all, but they are just fooling our brains, as in the Gorbachev era.
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 June 2016 20: 25
      -3
      Quote: dr. sem
      About "friendly China". It is advisable (obligatory) to watch to the end! For regular BOTS, VO will not be interesting.




      The film, like the script, is completely unfounded, far from reality, this is a Hollywood scenario of "our American partners", what they will scare us with in order to embroil and distrust our neighbors.
      The only chance for Americans to maintain their hegemony is to embroil Russia and China's strategic partners (the only independent players), in the 60s they succeeded. I hope in our time they will not succeed.
      I do not want to believe that the cleverest Nikita Sergeyevich (not to be confused with Khrushchev, who initiated the discord with the PRC) in this situation simply used it as a platform for scarecrows and distrust between our people and the people of China.
      1. RedBaron
        RedBaron 19 June 2016 21: 46
        +3
        The Soviet-Chinese border conflict on Damansky Island - armed clashes between the USSR and China on March 2 and 15, 1969 in the area of ​​Damansky Island (Chinese к宝, Zhenbao - Precious) on the Ussuri River 230 km south of Khabarovsk and 35 km west of the district center Luchegorsk (46 ° 29′08 ″ N lat. 133 ° 50′40 ″ E (G) (O)). The largest Soviet-Chinese armed conflict in the modern history of Russia and China.

        in 1941 it was also just screaming and did not succumb to provocations.
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 20 June 2016 01: 22
        +2
        The film, like the script, is completely unfounded, far from reality, this is the Hollywood script of "our American partners"


        smile The film is simply stupid. And calculated for stupidity. And Mikhalkov takes every opportunity to promote his messianic ideas. Here he uses stupidity like a mule with an opportunity. Once again I would like to inform you that the "wealth of Siberia" is of value only when it is explored, developed, infrastructure is created and logistics is established. The plot of the troubadour part of the film suggests that the Chinese will first seize Siberia with a military throw, then they will enter a state of exhausting war with the Russian Federation, with the threat of becoming a nuclear one, and at that moment they will load billions and billions into a resource base in the occupied territory. It is difficult to find a more stupid option for comparison. I would like to remind the authors of the film that the PRC possesses an undeveloped territory of Inner Mongolia, the Himalayan mountains, with white spots of territories the size of European countries. Mines that are mothballed under the export law. By the way, China is the only country producing some rare metals. And yet, the main factor in the formation of the country's self-sufficiency is not at all mineral resources, but the population and food.

        And finally, the thing is. that the PRC can become the buyer of the entire surplus of oil and gas in Russia, which means that dependence on European currency earnings will decrease to a cubic degree. Today, Europe is trying to get Russia to work on spot, then European exchanges have the opportunity to manipulate and put pressure on Russia's mining industry, which is tied with chains to volumes and seasonal downloads. In the case of the implementation of fuel projects with China, the spot will not be a full-fledged blackmail tool, Russia will simply refuse to sell the volume at a speculatively reduced price, and will send the surplus to China. Can you imagine who and how interested is to ruin our relationship.
    3. Ros64
      Ros64 19 June 2016 21: 05
      +1
      It's hard to watch and listen, but N.Mikhalkov a thousand times RIGHT !!! Only the swindler who has settled down at the top will continue to drive his politics! It is high time to dismiss this worthless government and nominate smart and competent people there!
      1. plebs
        plebs 20 June 2016 02: 00
        -1
        It's hard to watch and listen, but N.Mikhalkov a thousand times RIGHT !!!
        An absolutely intelligent view of the war! Only the concentration of such masses of artillery means, I'm not talking about the mobilization of "peasant cannon fodder" will not go unnoticed by intelligence, both satellite and intelligence. Further, after such an artillery attack, China is guaranteed to receive a nuclear strike. Consequently, the army in Siberia will not have anyone to feed. And the Kazakh group will be crushed like a bug by the joint efforts of the Central Asian and Russian armies. China cannot wage a long war, and a blitzkrieg in the vast expanses of Siberia and the Far East is impossible. And the creeping settlement of the Far East by Chinese citizens is quite possible. And the Chinese leadership understands this. So there will definitely not be a hot war, unnecessarily.
        It is high time to dismiss this worthless government and nominate smart and competent people there!
        And who will do it? Muscovites, as in '93? I doubt very well fed. And about all kinds of political developments, I generally keep quiet. Over the past 20 years, of the politicians, only Limonov actually served. The Communists, instead of the underground, went to the Duma and feel great there. The liberal opposition is not even funny. So we sit still quietly and rotting.
  4. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 19 June 2016 18: 44
    +6
    The author seriously approached the preparation of the publication; the information is well stated in a completely accessible language. But not everything is so cloudless in our relations with China. Although we have no other level partner like China. hi
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 19 June 2016 19: 24
      +3
      Vladimir 1964

      I join in your congratulations. But I have to firmly object.

      The author needs to look at the world from the point of view of a pragmatist.

      Trust is an artificial biblical form of morality. Friendship is a biblical form of trust. Remember that by lending you lose a friend. Because the debt is red by payment, and by deceiving you can stay with money. Again. In business and politics one can rely only on common sense, on pragmatics.

      Both China and Russia are united only by an external strong enemy. But by no means an ephemeral friendship.

      As soon as the US weakens. Then Russia will become a friend of the United States and an enemy of China. And this situation will continue until the system is balanced due to other circumstances. For example, the strengthening of the power of the shadow government. IMF.

      For the right conclusions, you need to better understand the principle of the world.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 20 June 2016 09: 43
      +1
      We must get used to the idea that in the near future we will not have reliable partners. And it's time to start counting only on our own strengths. Moreover, not fencing off from the world, but to cooperate with all who will be useful to us, only without being mistaken about the degree of friendliness of partners. Only tough mutually beneficial cooperation.
      But first of all, Hercules is needed to clear the rotten power vertical, etc. up to nationalization and a change in the political system. And all this should happen against the background of the red Soviet flag, which we must return.
  5. ISSIDOR
    ISSIDOR 19 June 2016 18: 48
    +6
    In the Chinese press, opinions are often heard that the treaties with Russia in the 19th century were unfair, and they need to be reviewed that all lands that have ever paid tribute to the Chinese emperors should be part of China, so the partnership is temporary.
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 20 June 2016 01: 28
      0
      Opinions are often heard in the Chinese press


      Well, let's. Give this press and opinions. I agree to even take the time to translate. You can even give materials on yue and fuju. Otherwise, try to find yourself a milder expression .....
  6. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 19 June 2016 18: 54
    +6
    Personally, I also doubt that China is our strategic partner! They always act on the basis of short-term interests. What will happen tomorrow is difficult to say. And they are on our borders, like NATO!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 19 June 2016 18: 59
      +15
      Quote: demchuk.ig
      They always act on the basis of short-term interests.

      That's exactly what they don’t do, it doesn’t act on the basis of SYMINUTE interests. yes They do not rush about, do not make sudden gestures, do not make loud statements, they slowly, lightly bend their line to the future.
      1. marshes
        marshes 19 June 2016 19: 06
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        That's exactly what they don’t do, it doesn’t act on the basis of SYMINUTE interests. They do not rush about, do not make sudden gestures, do not make loud statements, they slowly, lightly bend their line to the future.

        Body movements are serious Minute, serious. At least we will sit under one roof. The Rothschilds smile , Deripaska explicit and other large industrialists ... Uncle Vova is the same in the subject, just like our PAPA, ASTANA is the main architect of those who wear an apron.
        Dimasik is your next winner. smile
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 19 June 2016 19: 12
          +5
          Quote: marshes
          Body movements are serious Minute, serious. Although we will sit under one roof. Rothschilds, obvious Deripaska and other large industrialists ... Uncle Vova is the same in the subject, just like our DAD, ASTANA, the chief architect of those who wear an apron.
          Dimasik is your next winner.

          Honestly, I did not understand your thought. recourse
          1. marshes
            marshes 19 June 2016 19: 37
            -4
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Honestly, I did not understand your thought.

            But you don’t need to understand, I advise you to scramble your family until the age of 24 a little south of the equator.
    2. poquello
      poquello 19 June 2016 19: 07
      -1
      Quote: demchuk.ig
      Personally, I also doubt that China is our strategic partner! They always act on the basis of short-term interests. What will happen tomorrow is difficult to say. And they are on our borders, like NATO!

      Do you always expect from a neighbor that a club will blow you from the back? But NATO is so - a bum under the door.
  7. Sergey333
    Sergey333 19 June 2016 18: 58
    +6
    It is very naive to call China a "partner", although recently all our enemies have been called "partners".
  8. armata37
    armata37 19 June 2016 19: 01
    +7
    That's exactly what China is our partner. Partner and ally are completely different concepts. USA is our partner too.
    We have not many allies, only two.
  9. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 19 June 2016 19: 02
    +1
    In the East they say: "When it gets dark in the West, it brightens in the East." Darkened for us in the West, but we also have the East (this is the kind of country we are). The rapprochement was going on anyway, and in the light of recent events in the world, even faster. The British and Americans are raging, so we are doing everything right. Given the old mistakes and miscalculations, why not move closer to China? With a thoughtful approach to solving this problem, everything can turn out very nicely and well. And THIS ... As the saying goes: "X .. suck a paw like a bear",
  10. Million
    Million 19 June 2016 19: 04
    +8
    China is not a partner, but a temporary fellow traveler who is ready to devour us if something happens
  11. weksha50
    weksha50 19 June 2016 19: 04
    +10
    Too often, completely opposite articles on relations between China and Russia appear ...

    Accordingly, the opinions of members of the forum are completely different ...

    Despite the encouraging and gracious tone of the article, I will remain in my opinion: WE, if China is needed, at a certain stage of its development ... By the way, the author also pointed out the reasons for our need for China in the article ... However, for some reason he did not analyze the weight of what China received from us and what WE received ...

    China is guided only by its own benefits ... And there is no need to talk about such a great friendship between the PRC and the USSR during the time of Stalin and Mao ... The same Mao, not at all embarrassed, declared that "we (they) need the USSR as cash cow ... While she is being milked, we (they) will be friends with him "... (V. Vladimirov, Representative of the Comintern in China," Special Region of China. "

    The same thing is happening now ...

    China is not an enemy for us yet ... But it’s not a friend who will cover his back ... And it is not necessary for the authors of the article to come up with a theory of a joint confrontation against US expansion ... THIS is what the author wants to see ... And the realities - slightly different ...

    And for China, for that matter, it would be beneficial for us to get involved in a hot war against the United States and NATO, and then he would calmly take a leading role in the world ... in the rest of the world ...
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 20 June 2016 01: 42
      -1
      hi
      China is guided only by its benefits ...


      Can you name a country that is not guided by its benefits? Lithuania and other Latvia, not counting laughing

      The point is, dear one, that state interests can be mutually permeable and can be conflicting. Today our interests are mutually permeable and complement each other. And what will happen tomorrow is the task of our leadership and the "engineering" service of the Russian Foreign Ministry. For example, relations between the PRC and the United States were absolutely mutually permeable for another ten years, and today they are already more than half of the conflict. But during the time of economic interaction, a balance has been created, the violation of which harms both sides. That is, even when the situation changes, an economic counterbalance mechanism is almost automatically created. Nothing hinders his action in Russian-Chinese relations either. But for this they must be at the proper level, and certainly not in the context of friendship against the United States.
  12. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 June 2016 19: 05
    -4
    Is there someone from the Far East on the site? Blizzard what would not drive. And then he feels sick from a sleepless person (even though I respect Mikhalkov).
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 20 June 2016 00: 09
      +7
      Quote: Barracuda
      Is there someone from the Far East on the site? Blizzard what would not drive. And then he feels sick from a sleepless person (even though I respect Mikhalkov).

      There are a lot of people from the Far East. And what is the question? The fact that the Chinese are not our friends, and so it is clear, all the talk about expansion to the North, this is only at the everyday level and at school, in history lessons. Do not forget that China is still divided into rich South and poor North. All these calls for a campaign to Siberia come from the southerners, the desire of the northerners, this is the warm south of the PRC. So much desire to Siberia is not noticed. And also, look carefully at the maps. All territorial claims about which there are so many They say that this is the land up to the Stanovoy Range, along which the border between China and Russia passed according to the Treaty of Nerchinsk in 1689. Yes, there are many problems, but there is no need to dramatize the situation, but use the PRC as a sales market, just as they use the Russian Federation. Now about the quality of goods. What is done at state-owned enterprises and is labeled "Made in China" is a high-quality product, and quite expensive, but what is sold in our markets is simply fakes and there would be no such product if there were no buyers. you know. for the release of low-quality goods at state-owned enterprises and joint ventures with foreigners can also "smear the forehead with green stuff" so that the bullet does not get infected. According to the laws of the PRC, this is discrediting the state, with the corresponding conclusions. To write a comment about China is to write a whole treatise. PRC IS THE SAME EQUAL PARTNER IN INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS LIKE ALL OTHERS. IT'S TIME TO FORGET SLOGGES OF THE "FRIEND, COMRADE AND BROTHER" TYPE IN INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS.AND REMEMBER "THE PRINCIPLE OF WOMEN'S FRIENDSHIP. FRIENDSHIP OF TWO WOMEN-CONSPIRACY AGAINST THIRD". EXACTLY ALSO IN POLITICS. "EVERYONE IS SEARCHING FOR ITS BENEFITS.
  13. Olegater
    Olegater 19 June 2016 19: 30
    +4
    Well, the article is a little embellished about the relations between Russia and China - not everything is so cloudy. Starting from the Khrushchev times (bald corn, having no idea of ​​strategy in foreign policy, began to criticize I.V. Stalin, who wanted to bring China closer to the USSR and thus we would have a better ally). Well, that was it. And so the leadership of China proceeds, it seems to me, from the treatise SUN-TZI. And one does not have to go far for an example, for example, voting on some issues raised in the UN Security Council by the representative V. Churkin for Ukraine and many others, where China only abstained and did not support us. Well, about the criminal business, do not remember dear members of the forum, but where did we get chemical drugs. That's right from China. There they are not included in the prohibited list and are purchased in batches and smuggled to us in Russia. If they wanted to then stop all this mess. But what about the goods "one time". I bought it and immediately broke it broke, etc. That won't do. And why is it asked to sponsor China for its junk? Let them establish normal production, then we'll see.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 June 2016 19: 31
    +3
    China is NOT A FRIEND to us, but a temporary travel companion who, by force of circumstances, a certain stretch of the path goes alongside you. And you shouldn’t undress in front of him, and you don’t need to turn your back either. If they want our weapon, we’ll sell it. Blade technology for turbines of new engines - nevermind. Engines for fighters - we’ll sell, but what. They are not eternal, these engines. And do not exaggerate the military power of China. Despite the unlimited (to compare with us) mobilization resource, a huge armed crowd is not yet an army.
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 19 June 2016 19: 47
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      a huge armed crowd is not an army.

      But also in which case you should not underestimate either!
    2. Garris199
      Garris199 20 June 2016 03: 01
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      a huge armed crowd is not an army.

      Well, from this crowd I remember the Americans draped right up to Seoul.
  15. gg.na
    gg.na 19 June 2016 19: 33
    +2
    Of course, China should not be completely trusted; one should think over all the possible nuances of rapprochement with China. If you do everything from the bay, then of course give China a finger, he chop off not just a hand, he can even swallow the whole of RUSSIA. So it is necessary to consider all possible and even not possible nuances of rapprochement with China.
  16. qwert111
    qwert111 19 June 2016 19: 34
    +3
    When a man meets a woman for 1 time, they are called partner and partner. And when c / ex occurs between husband and wife, then this is called a marriage.)
    That is, the partner implies only a monotonous benefit. The union is more comprehensive.
    You’ll think about who is China’s partner or ally for us. angry
    In general, in this world, Russia needs to rely only on itself!
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 19 June 2016 19: 45
      +2
      Quote: qwert111
      Russia needs to rely only on itself!

      And to your army and navy!
  17. sw6513
    sw6513 19 June 2016 19: 45
    +5
    The article is beautifully written, but the likelihood that China in the event of a conflict becomes back to back with Russia is zero — well-thought-out people do everything for the prosperity of their nation to benefit from it, and this is, first of all, land ...
  18. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 19 June 2016 19: 58
    +2
    Russia and China can live in friendship only in one case - to be friends, but to live separately. China does not interfere in the affairs of Russia, and Russia does not interfere in the affairs of China. And the border between civilizations along the Great Wall of China - otherwise we will fight.
  19. CAH4OYC
    CAH4OYC 19 June 2016 20: 01
    0
    The Chinese leadership said that there would be no military alliance between China and the Russian Federation. Only military cooperation would take place. China’s purchasing power arose from $ 1 trillion in trade with the United States and the EU. China and Russia trade around $ 80 billion. That's China’s entire interest)) ) Although in the domestic armament it is also very dependent ...
  20. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 19 June 2016 20: 01
    +1
    Hope for partners, don’t be a fan yourself. While we are friends, it will be seen there ... Now something else worries me, it is the quiet expansion taking place on the part of China that is already happening today, more and more are becoming Chinese in Russia on an ongoing basis, then different enterprises are being created, something else, etc. etc., it seems like some kind of cunning plan ...
  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 June 2016 20: 16
    0
    Quote: ISSIDOR
    so partnership is temporary.

    Better a temporary partner than an enemy.
  22. masiya
    masiya 19 June 2016 20: 22
    0
    A very original and in your mind a partner, you always need to be on the alert, especially clearly shows your interests in all our military toys, to clarify and understand our tactics and the work of units on the battlefield, and they do not hesitate to carry their equipment anywhere, even in Kaliningrad ... they have something on their minds for the application and development of further relations with us, do they plan to "bite a mongoose" at a critical moment ...
  23. vabvab
    vabvab 19 June 2016 20: 35
    +1
    In the event of aggravation of the situation in the Asia-Pacific region, Japan is unlikely to be able to withstand the pressure of the United States and will be forced to enter into confrontation with China. Naturally, she will receive a fierce rebuff, and the USA will wash their hands. And in this case, Russia will have to assume the role of negotiator and mediator. And for this, in no case should she be in the same military bloc with China. Comprehensive cooperation and mutual assistance - yes, but without strict obligations. Recent deaths are similar for both Russia and China. All the same, we are dealing with the Anglo-Saxons.
  24. dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 19 June 2016 21: 14
    +1
    Slowly but surely, we are strengthening the combat potential of the Celestial Empire, including the potential of her defense industry
  25. hunt1
    hunt1 19 June 2016 21: 44
    +1
    we don’t have any partners or friends, they simply cannot be by definition. when will the fucking elite understand this? there are perhaps only temporary fellow travelers who may already become blood enemies tomorrow. and why in this world there is no constant hatred of hatred towards Russia. And how Anglo-Saxons can poison honey with themselves yesterday friendly countries can only be envied. With China, they once quarreled not so long ago so you should always be alert.
  26. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 19 June 2016 21: 45
    +2
    Listen to the wise grandfather about the Chinese people. With such a "strategic partner" of enemies, we do not need exactly by definition!
  27. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 19 June 2016 21: 51
    0
    Can refresh your memory? 1941 ... the beginning: "Germany is our strategic ally against England and the Anglo-Saxons!"
    2016 ... "China is our strategic ally against the Anglo-Saxons!"
    When will we start turning on brains?
  28. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 19 June 2016 21: 54
    0
    There were also strategic partners ...
  29. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 June 2016 22: 16
    +7
    I think China will begin not with military operations, but with the economic blackmail of Russia - unprofitable for
    Russian contracts for the export of raw materials to China. If Russia refuses, then this is an "unfriendly gesture"
    previous deliveries are blocked ... contracts are suspended, etc. in fact, China is already behaving this way
    and not only with Russia.
    But those who do not have common borders with China, they can pryasnichat, and those who have borders - it is dangerous.
    1. marshes
      marshes 19 June 2016 22: 28
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But those who do not have common borders with China, they can pryasnichat, and those who have borders - it is dangerous.

      The probability that by the year 24 you will "grab" will be 70 percent but you will survive. smile get ready with the Arabs massively "butting" ...
      By itself, "chuyka" works 100%, I climbed out of such troubles ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 June 2016 23: 06
        +7
        I can tell you how China is blackmailing Israeli firms. Israelis have a lot
        assembly plants in China. To build a plant there - a couple of trifles when there is money and a product.
        Few bureaucracies, excellent logistics, no kickbacks are requested - raspberries ...
        But.
        The Chinese come and say: "You have the technology, we want to buy a license, everything is according to the law"
        And the owner to them: "sorry, this is our brand, we do not sell to anyone or anyone"
        Smiled, parted. And then all of a sudden 4-5 other firms have problems: the resolution
        is late, unloading at the port is stuck ... - loss of money. And all Chinese apologize, all "by accident".
        Then the clever Jews cite, tie everything together, and prepare to the first one: "You sell them a license,
        you will be compensated for something. "Done, and - lo and behold! - again everyone's business is going smoothly smile

        "get ready with the Arabs massively" butting "..." ////

        We, as pioneers, are always ready to butt! fellow
        1. marshes
          marshes 19 June 2016 23: 17
          -2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          I can tell you how China is blackmailing Israeli firms.

          I can say, the Jewish question, and who is forcing you to cooperate with China, could place their production in Central Asia. Just as amicably money "saw".
          you are seriously strange Jews, cry but cut money.
          Here in the KZ place, the slave power is China and the Russian Federation at hand, plus privileges from the authorities.
          Now you’ll fall, only 5 Israelis are investing in Kazakhstan’s energy, and they also take citizenship. smile
        2. There are a lot of us
          There are a lot of us 20 June 2016 07: 50
          +1
          Why the hell do we plants in China? We would have to revive our industry.
      2. poquello
        poquello 19 June 2016 23: 06
        +1
        Quote: marshes
        Quote: voyaka uh
        But those who do not have common borders with China, they can pryasnichat, and those who have borders - it is dangerous.

        The probability that by the year 24 you will "grab" will be 70 percent but you will survive. smile get ready with the Arabs massively "butting" ...
        By itself, "chuyka" works 100%, I climbed out of such troubles ...

        get ready to butt with Arabs by 24, according to analysts, the probability of a line of fire along the south is very likely
        1. marshes
          marshes 19 June 2016 23: 22
          +1
          Quote: poquello
          get ready to butt with Arabs by 24, according to analysts, the probability of a line of fire along the south is very likely

          What kind of analytics is there, I threw the bones of the ram laughing
          By the way, once in a lottery a car was won, there were cash prizes. laughing
          1. poquello
            poquello 19 June 2016 23: 26
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            Quote: poquello
            get ready to butt with Arabs by 24, according to analysts, the probability of a line of fire along the south is very likely

            What kind of analytics is there, I threw the bones of the ram laughing
            By the way, once in a lottery a car was won, there were cash prizes. laughing

            here you have worries about throwing bones on "will Israel snatch off by the year 24"))))
            1. marshes
              marshes 19 June 2016 23: 35
              0
              Quote: poquello
              here you have worries about throwing bones on "will Israel snatch off by the year 24"))))

              So some kindred relatives in Ashdot live. laughing Well, those are already old ...
              My mother-in-law will not be allowed into New Zealand permanently. Only Jews are British citizens or those who are relatives.
              We also remember the King David Hotel ...
    2. poquello
      poquello 19 June 2016 23: 11
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      I think China will begin not with military operations, but with the economic blackmail of Russia - unprofitable for
      Russian contracts for the export of raw materials to China. If Russia refuses, then this is an "unfriendly gesture"

      export is not import - we will redirect, China will not get to us from the database, because for it the significant damage is very high
  30. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 19 June 2016 22: 36
    -1
    "Author Vasily Mikryukov"
    How many yuan did you get for your scribble? But have you already forgotten this, haven’t you written to write?
    The photo is enlarged.
    1. overb
      overb 19 June 2016 23: 02
      +1
      And the boy clearly recognized the pope in the photo.
  31. DHA
    DHA 19 June 2016 22: 58
    +2
    Hope in China, but don’t go wrong yourself)))
  32. Skubudu
    Skubudu 19 June 2016 23: 36
    +2
    In the case of World War 3 between Russia and NATO, China will silently move to occupy our Siberia, at least try.
    But for some reason I’m sure that after the outbreak of the war between Russia and NATO, we will deliver a preemptive nuclear strike against China.
  33. Pitot
    Pitot 20 June 2016 01: 07
    +3
    Yes, no, and there have never been and will not be any strategic partners for Russia.
  34. stoker
    stoker 20 June 2016 02: 38
    +2
    I have never understood this gradation of partnership - "strategic", "tactical", "temporary" ... For us, China is simply "one of ...". We do not need his territory (why?), We do not need his people (just not this!), We do not need their technologies (they simply do not exist). For us, this is just a promising market. This means that we ourselves determine the depth of cooperation.
    But for China we are a forced partner. For political, economic and military reasons. This is the most reliable "partnership". You will not refuse it. This is not a "minibus" from which you can get off at any convenient place.
    Therefore, there will be no military clash between China and Russia in the foreseeable future. We do not need it, but for China it is not possible.
    Therefore, China is not dangerous for us as long as there is a strong state and a capable government in Russia. An attack on Russia for China will mean a "shot in the temple" (even "not in the knee"). It will simply cease to exist.
    So the biggest danger to the country is not China, but ourselves. As it was in 1991.
    And with China it is necessary to expand and deepen ties at all levels, strengthening their "compulsion" for China. Don't be complex. We must remember that in a geopolitical sense, Russia has always been more powerful than China and will always be. If we don't destroy the Motherland with our own hands.
    As for the population of China, in the event of a major military conflict this is not an advantage, but its main weakness.
    This is not even the main thing. The main thing is that the Chinese leadership is well aware of the "compulsion" for them to partner with Russia.
  35. Wolka
    Wolka 20 June 2016 05: 35
    0
    I do not believe in China and its allied relations, as long as only a fellow traveler and nothing more, in the event of an aggravation of the situation from the east, they will never become a wall, no matter how they rattle their weapons and economic power, China does not know how to fight ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 20 June 2016 09: 26
      0
      Quote: Volka
      I do not believe in China and its allied relations, as long as only a fellow traveler and nothing more, in the event of an aggravation of the situation from the east, they will never become a wall, no matter how they rattle their weapons and economic power, China does not know how to fight ...

      Your right to believe or not to believe in China. In the East, the strong is respected. And if we behave accordingly, then the PRC will respect us. In the PRC, Putin is respected, but Medvedev is not respected. Because Putin has shown himself to be a strong personality, and LADIES do not fish is not meat. Also with the Power of Siberia. While it is profitable for them to buy cheap LNG from Qatar, until then there will be problems with the Power of Siberia. First of all, the Chinese need transport communications, bridges across the Amur in the Blagoveshchensk and Leninsky area, for access to the Trans-Siberian and Bam for the implementation of the Silk Road. There was a question about the road? Japan, the Republic of Korea, the PRC and a number of countries in 2009 approached the government of the Russian Federation to build a Highway across the entire Eurasian continent to the ports of Western Europe. Something did not grow together. The construction was supposed to be parallel to the Chita-Khabarovsk highway. (Amur highway). Now the PRC is concerned about the Silk Road project. This is one of the options for the Eurasian Highway. I repeat once again: There can be no friendship in international relations, there is only to a mutually beneficial partnership. And we must remember that any country can become our good partner and there will be close mutually beneficial relations when it is beneficial to both countries. I will digress a little and quote one of the statements of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum: "At a time when the EU incurs losses from the imposed sanctions, at this time the trade turnover between the Russian Federation and the United States increased by 15%. Does this mean something? It was not for nothing that Sarkozy and Matteo Renzi flew to St. Petersburg for SPIEF. And a number of European politicians are in favor of lifting the sanctions. as the EU incurs losses, and the US trades. http://izvestia.ru/news/618493 So much for business. No politics.
  36. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 June 2016 05: 41
    +1
    Why does Russia not formulate foreign policy accents? They call us what they want and where they want, but we are all ashamed of something. It is useful to simply indicate our positions. Yes, America is the axis of evil, accomplices of terrorism and so on, and we build our decisions on this basis. We are doing and will continue to do everything to weaken the role of the United States and minimize its activities. And so on. We have inserted and will continue to insert "sticks" into the wheels of the American economy. And do it smiling, so without straining. To pursue a policy with China and openly impose economic sanctions against the unwanted. And we already have them all over the West. They knock out a wedge like a wedge, it is easier to deal with enemies the same way as they do. If we count every penny of losses, we will always be led by the West. Of course, we need to be economically ready for this and heal our economy. This is a big and useful work.
  37. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 June 2016 05: 50
    +3
    Yes, China, as a business partner, has played too much with Russia. He began to blackmail, with the Power of Siberia, it is not clear whether we are building it for Chinese money, or FOR OURS, and even with an unfavorable price of supplies for 20 years ahead? I asked my friend who trades with China - how do you know what are the signs that the Chinese will "throw you"? None, he says. He will "throw" you at any moment, if only he senses the "slack".
  38. ghby
    ghby 20 June 2016 07: 42
    0
    Quote: Asadullah
    Here he uses stupidity like a mule with an opportunity. Once again I would like to inform you that the "wealth of Siberia" is of value only when it is explored, developed, infrastructure is created and logistics is established. The plot of the troubadour part of the film suggests that the Chinese will first conquer Siberia with a military throw, then they will enter a state of exhausting war with the Russian Federation, with the threat of developing into a nuclear one, and at that moment they will load billions and billions into a resource base in the occupied territory.

    yeah, all the military might of China will go in a "swift" rush along the only road in the Far East, between the hills and through the taiga, or through the Himalayas or the Mongolian desert :)
    Somewhere, here on the site came the analysis of defense in the event of an attack by China through the Far East, logistics, and again logistics, or rather its absence, make this venture meaningless.
  39. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 20 June 2016 07: 43
    0
    And ... sit down and eat a fish. In reality, this does not happen. We were surrounded from almost all sides, as well as China, and we sing songs about the lack of plans for a military-political alliance ... And how will we protect each other? Wrapping hands, sprinkling ashes on the head and crying Yaroslavna? I still hope that we have the relevant agreements with China, they just are not advertised.
  40. mik6403
    mik6403 20 June 2016 09: 35
    +1
    Probably the author of the article should remember that, Russia has two allies, the Army and Navy ... Everything else is just a temporary coincidence of interests ....
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 21 June 2016 12: 19
      0
      Quote: mik6403
      Probably the author of the article should remember that, Russia has two allies, the Army and Navy ... Everything else is just a temporary coincidence of interests ....

      Unlike the USA and Europe.
  41. Dulat
    Dulat 20 June 2016 19: 38
    0
    For me, China is more dangerous than NATO. NATO does not hide where it will direct its forces, and Russia is ready for this.
    And China simply sucks out technology and raw materials from Russia, and sets its own conditions.