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Seduction of hanoi

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Seduction of hanoi


Barack Obama became the third president of the United States, who visited Vietnam after the end of the American-Vietnamese war of 1965 – 1975. During it, the United States suffered the greatest losses after World War II - more than 58 thousand soldiers and officers. And there were 303 thousands of injured and mutilated, as well as many thousands of veterans of this war, who committed suicide. Post-Vietnamese syndrome is still felt in the country.

AMERICAN BARE TO THE FORMER ENEMY

The first American leader who tried to re-establish relations with the former enemy was Bill Clinton, who visited Vietnam in 2000 year. Six years later, a visit by George W. Bush took place. And finally, Barack Obama flew to Hanoi, who brought a kind of “gingerbread” to the country - no, not an apology for the aggression and for the death of about two million Vietnamese civilians, and the death of the American embargo weapons. The ban on the supply of non-lethal weapons was lifted back in 2014, now it is the turn to take the next step. And again, not in the direction of compensation for the monstrous damage that the republic suffered during the years of carpet bombing by the American B-52, and not for hundreds of tons of poisonous herbicides poured on the Vietnamese jungle and rice fields, which poisoned the earth, water and air for many years, but in order to meet the needs of Vietnam in modern military equipment and aviation giants of the American military industry, such as Boeing, Westinghouse, General Electric and others, have earned equipment. Barack Obama successfully completed this part of the plan.

During his visit to Hanoi, the parties signed contracts for $ 16 billion. In particular, the Boeing company will sell a hundred of its aircraft to the Vietnamese VietJet, not immediately, but within more than 10 years, but the figures, you must agree, are impressive. Pratt & Whitney also signed an agreement with VietJet to sell 135 state-of-the-art aircraft engines. GE Wind has pledged to help Vietnam develop power plants with wind turbines. No military agreements were signed, but Defense News, citing representatives of the American military-industrial complex, reports that Vietnam is interested in the supply of C-130 military transport aircraft, used F-16 fighters from the Pentagon's warehouses, as well as basic P-3C patrol aircraft. , also not new, and unmanned aerial vehicles for reconnaissance in coastal areas, observing ships and vessels passing by the Vietnamese coast, and for conducting reconnaissance. "Second-hand", it must be understood, is purchased due to the extremely low price.

Actively supported the US military-industrial complex and the Republican Senator from Arizona John McCain. The one who, being the pilot of carrier-based aviation on the Oriscani aircraft carrier, was shot down by a Soviet missile over Hanoi in 1967, crashed into a lake in the center of the city and was almost filled with Vietnamese hoes with broken arms and legs, then spent five and a half years in a local the prison, where he was regularly beaten by guards, and released after the signing of the Paris Peace Agreement between Hanoi and Washington only in 1973 year. This ardent anti-communist and unsuccessful president of the United States did not hesitate to contact the official and, one might say, loyal letter to the Secretary General of the Communist Party, ruling in Vietnam, Nguyen Phu Chong with a proposal to cooperate in strengthening the security of the republic in the naval sphere.

“The United States and Vietnam have common strategic and economic interests and open regional trade objectives, maintain a favorable balance of forces in the Asia-Pacific region and the principles of world order, such as freedom of the seas and a peaceful solution to international conflicts,” he wrote. “I hope that we could work together in the coming years on a number of other initiatives that can strengthen our security relations.” First, I advocate strengthening Vietnamese coast guard capabilities and fleet. To this end, the United States is ready to continue work on the exchange of marine information and response capabilities in the South China Sea. I am pleased to report that last year the US Senate Committee on Armed Forces approved a funded initiative to strengthen cooperation with states such as Vietnam. ”

SHOT ONE - GOALS A FEW

In Obama’s visit to Vietnam and the lifting of the lethal American weapons embargo on Hanoi, as in McCain’s letter to the Secretary General of the Vietnamese Communist Party, many observers, both domestic and foreign, see the US desire to hit several strategic targets with one shot. Not only lobbying the interests of your military-industrial complex. But also to render, first of all, moral and psychological support to Hanoi in his confrontation with Beijing over the disputed islands of Spratly and Paracel, rich in marine and oil resources. And at the same time to back this relationship. The United States does not like the strengthening of the Chinese military presence in the South China Sea, through which the lion's share of world trade passes, and they are ready to help everything, anything, to any states that will resist Chinese expansion in this region of the world’s ocean. Moreover, they themselves are transferring the main efforts of their naval forces to Southeast Asia - they are trying to place their frigates and destroyers with the Aegis and Tomahawks missile systems on board on permanent basis, to stake out naval forces for themselves base. Including the Philippines. And I would very much like to return, which shines through the lines of McCain's letter to his former base in Vietnamese Cam Ranh, a key position for controlling the Indian and Pacific oceans washing the Asian shores.

There, on Cam Ranh, during the Vietnam War, American fighters and transport workers, warships and auxiliary fleet ships were based. For them, the Pentagon even built an airfield and the most modern port for that time, workshops for repairing aircraft and boats. After 1979, this base was handed over to the Vietnamese Soviet Navy, where we deployed our logistics center. Signed an agreement with Hanoi for 25 years. Then they created the largest foreign military base area of ​​100 square. km, where the anti-ship missile carriers Tu-16K, naval reconnaissance Tu-95РЦ, anti-submarine aircraft Tu-142, MiG-23 fighters and even a helicopter detachment were stationed. And 8 – 10 surface ships, 4 – 8 submarines, several support vessels. But in 2001, our presence in Cam Ranh was curtailed. Some experts argue that this was not enough money, especially since Vietnam raised the fee for using the base. Others note that our fleet at that time stopped going to the Indian Ocean, and airplanes did not fly in this region, and it became useless to us.

True, a couple of years ago, this geopolitical blunder was intact. Our fleet received the right to go to Cam Ranh to repair their ships, replenish fresh water and fuel, as well as for the rest of crews. Our pilots got the same right. And, of course, the United States does not like it, they would like to take the place of Russia in Cam Ranh themselves, but so far nothing is working. And McCain’s letter to the CPV Secretary General with a transparent hint of “strengthening our security relations” and “response capabilities in the South China Sea” still doesn’t work.

THE WEAPON OF THE WINNERS FOR THE WEAPON OF THE LOSTING DOES NOT CHANGE

I think that the hope of some of our fellow citizens and their like-minded foreigners will not work, “forcing the United States out of Russia from the sphere of military-technical cooperation with Vietnam”, which they for some reason wrote with enthusiasm after Barack Obama’s visit to Hanoi and lifting the American embargo on deliveries of lethal weapons to the republic. Separate contracts for used F-16 and “Orions”, if they take place, as well as drones, do not make any weather in the US-Vietnamese military-technical cooperation and cannot replace Russian armament in any way. Even this trend will not create.

There are a lot of reasons and grounds for such a statement. One of them is that Soviet / Russian weapons account for 93% of Hanoi's military imports. Air defense systems, naval equipment, armored vehicles of the ground forces (Tanks, self-propelled artillery, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, combat support systems - reconnaissance, navigation, target designation) - all this in absolute terms was produced in our country. Combat aircraft - including. Only in recent years, Vietnam has acquired from Russia project 636 submarines. 1 with the Club-S missile system (export analogue of Caliber, only its launch range, as permitted in the export version, is 300 km), project 11661 Cheetah patrol ships -3. 9 ”, Lightning missile boats, Bastion mobile coastal missile system - also with a range of 300 km, multi-functional Su-30MK2 fighters and other weapons. Negotiations are ongoing on the establishment of a Sukhoi family fighter service center on Vietnamese soil, which will create new jobs for the republic and the opportunity to earn money by servicing similar planes delivered by our country to the neighboring states of Southeast Asia. Vietnam ranks third among buyers of Russian weapons, followed by India and China. Recent contracts have brought us over $ 4,5 billion.

It was not by chance that the author named India among the buyers of domestic weapons. Every time when in tenders for Delhi supplies of a particular type of military equipment, the winner is not Russia, but one of its competitors in the arms market, including the US, headlines like “America crowns out Russia” immediately appear in the domestic press. from the Indian market. " They are about the same as they appeared after Barack Obama’s visit to Hanoi. But such exaggerated "sensations" is complete nonsense. Despite the fact that India has concluded several contracts with France, the United States, Germany and Israel, Russia remains the main supplier of military products for it. Today 75% of military equipment, standing on the arms of this country, made in the USSR and Russia. Moreover, we have a lot of joint projects.

But talking about military-technical cooperation with India is the topic of another article. This example is given in order to show that we are following the same path with Vietnam. Say more. It is not only a matter of “hardware”, even if it is in the most high-tech. Military-technical cooperation is also the supply of equipment and material and technical means for the operation, repair and modernization of this “iron”, the training of personnel who will fight on it if necessary, this is the mastering of the ideology and principles of using this weapon, as well as numerous communication with the enterprises that produce it. That is, a set of measures and measures that bind the two countries for many, many years. If someone thinks that these ties can be destroyed in one instant and replaced by another country, he, to put it mildly, is greatly mistaken or, if to say essentially, tries to pass the desired for the real.

Another example in support of these words is the Russian military-technical cooperation with Egypt. It survived the dawn in the days of Nasser, faded under Sadat, began to revive under Mubarak, almost ceased to exist under Mursi, and now again, like the bird Phoenix, is reborn under General As-Sisi. Vietnam’s military-technical cooperation with Russia was not interrupted for a single day and cannot be replaced by the United States by definition. On the close military and military-technical ties that we have already talked about, but also because there are historical memory not only of the Vietnamese people, but also of their leaders. They remember who helped the country during the years of the Indochina war, during the American aggression and all subsequent years - this memory cannot be killed even by economic gain.

And then, in Hanoi, they know that Washington’s policies are very fluid. Today it is profitable for the USA to add pepper to the opposition of Hanoi with Beijing - they will do it. Tomorrow for some reason they want to change the country's leadership that has not pleased them with something - the color revolution will not take long to come. Moreover, several thousand Vietnamese students have already studied in the United States, and the Peace Corps and other NGOs have firmly settled down in the region. While Russia has never interfered and does not interfere in the internal affairs of those countries with which it has military-technical cooperation, it does not furnish the supply of its weapons, depending on the changing policies of its partners.

Obama, like the next US president, as McCain, by the way, may try to play the Vietnamese card in his global game, against China, against Russia, but Vietnam, to their dismay, as evidenced by the fifty-year experience of this country, in such intrigues is not going to participate. Despite all the tempting overseas offers.

... Obama and McCain’s actions in Vietnam are similar to Zeus’s attempts to seduce Europe. Many people remember this famous myth. As a thunderer, he turned into a handsome bull, affectionate and submissive, like a week-old calf, with golden horns, curved like a new month, and golden wool, sparkling in the sun, as he lay down at the feet of a charming and naive girl in Europe, inviting her to ride. How it ended, remind, I think, not worth it.

So, it was not possible to seduce and kidnap Vietnam President Obama and Senator McCain. The attempt was worthless. Barack Obama became the third president of the United States, who visited Vietnam after the end of the American-Vietnamese war of 1965 – 1975. During it, the United States suffered the greatest losses after World War II - more than 58 thousand soldiers and officers. And there were 303 thousands of injured and mutilated, as well as many thousands of veterans of this war, who committed suicide. Post-Vietnamese syndrome is still felt in the country.

AMERICAN BARE TO THE FORMER ENEMY

The first American leader who tried to re-establish relations with the former enemy was Bill Clinton, who visited Vietnam in 2000 year. Six years later, a visit by George W. Bush took place. And finally, Barack Obama flew to Hanoi, who brought a kind of “carrot” to the country - no, not an excuse for aggression and for the death of about two million Vietnamese civilians, but the lifting of the lethal American arms embargo on Vietnam. The ban on the supply of non-lethal weapons was canceled in 2014 year, now it is the turn to take the next step. And again, not in the direction of compensation for the monstrous damage that the republic suffered during the years of carpet bombing by the American B-52, and not for hundreds of tons of poisonous herbicides poured on the Vietnamese jungle and rice fields, which poisoned the earth, water and air for many years, but to ensure that the giants of the American military industry, such as Boeing, Westinghouse, General Electric and others, have earned on the needs of Vietnam in modern military equipment and aviation technology. Barack Obama successfully completed this part of the plan.

During his visit to Hanoi, the parties signed contracts for $ 16 billion. In particular, the Boeing company will sell a hundred of its aircraft to the Vietnamese VietJet, not immediately, but within more than 10 years, but the figures, you must agree, are impressive. Pratt & Whitney also signed an agreement with VietJet to sell 135 state-of-the-art aircraft engines. GE Wind has pledged to help Vietnam develop power plants with wind turbines. No military agreements were signed, but Defense News, citing representatives of the American military-industrial complex, reports that Vietnam is interested in the supply of C-130 military transport aircraft, used F-16 fighters from the Pentagon's warehouses, as well as basic P-3C patrol aircraft. , also not new, and unmanned aerial vehicles for reconnaissance in coastal areas, observing ships and vessels passing by the Vietnamese coast, and for conducting reconnaissance. "Second-hand", it must be understood, is purchased due to the extremely low price.

Actively supported the US military-industrial complex and the Republican Senator from Arizona John McCain. The one who, being the pilot of carrier-based aviation on the Oriscani aircraft carrier, was shot down by a Soviet missile over Hanoi in 1967, crashed into a lake in the center of the city and was almost filled with Vietnamese hoes with broken arms and legs, then spent five and a half years in a local the prison, where he was regularly beaten by guards, and released after the signing of the Paris Peace Agreement between Hanoi and Washington only in 1973 year. This ardent anti-communist and unsuccessful president of the United States did not hesitate to contact the official and, one might say, loyal letter to the Secretary General of the Communist Party, ruling in Vietnam, Nguyen Phu Chong with a proposal to cooperate in strengthening the security of the republic in the naval sphere.

“The United States and Vietnam share common strategic and economic interests and open regional trade objectives, maintain a favorable balance of power in the Asia-Pacific region and principles of world order, such as freedom of the seas and peaceful resolution of international conflicts,” he wrote. “I hope that we could work together in the coming years on a number of other initiatives that can strengthen our security relationship.” First, I advocate strengthening Vietnamese coast guard and fleet capabilities. To this end, the United States is ready to continue working on the exchange of maritime information and response capabilities in the South China Sea. I am pleased to announce that last year the US Senate Committee on Armed Forces approved a funded initiative to strengthen cooperation with such countries as Vietnam. "

SHOT ONE - GOALS A FEW

In Obama’s visit to Vietnam and the lifting of the lethal American weapons embargo on Hanoi, as in McCain’s letter to the Secretary General of the Vietnamese Communist Party, many observers, both domestic and foreign, see the US desire to hit several strategic targets with one shot. Not only lobbying the interests of your military-industrial complex. But also to render, first of all, moral and psychological support to Hanoi in his confrontation with Beijing over the disputed islands of Spratly and Paracel, rich in marine and oil resources. And at the same time to back this relationship. The United States does not like the strengthening of the Chinese military presence in the South China Sea, through which the lion's share of world trade passes, and they are ready to help everything, anything, to any states that will resist Chinese expansion in this region of the world’s ocean. Moreover, they themselves are transferring the main efforts of their naval forces to Southeast Asia - they are trying to place their frigates and destroyers with the Aegis and Tomahawks missile systems on board on permanent basis, to stake out naval forces for themselves base. Including the Philippines. And I would very much like to return, which shines through the lines of McCain's letter to his former base in Vietnamese Cam Ranh, a key position for controlling the Indian and Pacific oceans washing the Asian shores.

There, on Cam Ranh, during the Vietnam War, American fighters and transport workers, warships and auxiliary fleet ships were based. For them, the Pentagon even built an airfield and the most modern port for that time, workshops for repairing aircraft and boats. After 1979, this base was handed over to the Vietnamese Soviet Navy, where we deployed our logistics center. Signed an agreement with Hanoi for 25 years. Then they created the largest foreign military base area of ​​100 square. km, where the anti-ship missile carriers Tu-16K, naval reconnaissance Tu-95РЦ, anti-submarine aircraft Tu-142, MiG-23 fighters and even a helicopter detachment were stationed. And 8 – 10 surface ships, 4 – 8 submarines, several support vessels. But in 2001, our presence in Cam Ranh was curtailed. Some experts argue that this was not enough money, especially since Vietnam raised the fee for using the base. Others note that our fleet at that time stopped going to the Indian Ocean, and airplanes did not fly in this region, and it became useless to us.

True, a couple of years ago, this geopolitical blunder was intact. Our fleet received the right to go to Cam Ranh to repair their ships, replenish fresh water and fuel, as well as for the rest of crews. Our pilots got the same right. And, of course, the United States does not like it, they would like to take the place of Russia in Cam Ranh themselves, but so far nothing is working. And McCain’s letter to the CPV Secretary General with a transparent hint of “strengthening our security relations” and “response capabilities in the South China Sea” still doesn’t work.

THE WEAPON OF THE WINNERS FOR THE WEAPON OF THE LOSTING DOES NOT CHANGE

I think that the hope of some of our fellow citizens and their like-minded foreigners will not work, “forcing the United States out of Russia from the sphere of military-technical cooperation with Vietnam”, which they for some reason wrote with enthusiasm after Barack Obama’s visit to Hanoi and lifting the American embargo on deliveries of lethal weapons to the republic. Separate contracts for used F-16 and “Orions”, if they take place, as well as drones, do not make any weather in the US-Vietnamese military-technical cooperation and cannot replace Russian armament in any way. Even this trend will not create.

There are a lot of reasons and reasons for such a statement. One of them is that Soviet / Russian weapons make up 93% of Hanoi’s military imports. Air defense systems, naval equipment, armored vehicles of the ground forces (tanks, self-propelled artillery installations, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, combat support systems - reconnaissance, navigation, target designation) are all produced in absolute terms in our country. Combat aviation - including. Only in recent years, Vietnam has acquired the submarines of the 636 project from Russia. 1 with the Club-S missile system (export analogue of Caliber, only its launch range, as permitted in the export version, 300 km), patrol ships of the 11661 project “Cheetah-3. 9, the Molniya missile boats, the Bastion mobile coastal missile system, also with a range of 300 km, Su-30МКХNUMX multifunctional fighters and other weapons. Negotiations are underway to create a service station for Sukhoi family fighters on Vietnamese land, which will create new jobs and opportunities for the republic to earn by serving similar aircraft delivered by our country to neighboring states of Southeast Asia. Vietnam ranks third among buyers of Russian weapons, after India and China. Recent contracts have brought us over 2 billion dollars.

It was not by chance that the author named India among the buyers of domestic weapons. Every time when in tenders for Delhi supplies of a particular type of military equipment, the winner is not Russia, but one of its competitors in the arms market, including the US, headlines like “America crowns out Russia” immediately appear in the domestic press. from the Indian market. " They are about the same as they appeared after Barack Obama’s visit to Hanoi. But such exaggerated "sensations" is complete nonsense. Despite the fact that India has concluded several contracts with France, the United States, Germany and Israel, Russia remains the main supplier of military products for it. Today 75% of military equipment, standing on the arms of this country, made in the USSR and Russia. Moreover, we have a lot of joint projects.

But talking about military-technical cooperation with India is the topic of another article. This example is given in order to show that we are following the same path with Vietnam. Say more. It is not only a matter of “hardware”, even if it is in the most high-tech. Military-technical cooperation is also the supply of equipment and material and technical means for the operation, repair and modernization of this “iron”, the training of personnel who will fight on it if necessary, this is the mastering of the ideology and principles of using this weapon, as well as numerous communication with the enterprises that produce it. That is, a set of measures and measures that bind the two countries for many, many years. If someone thinks that these ties can be destroyed in one instant and replaced by another country, he, to put it mildly, is greatly mistaken or, if to say essentially, tries to pass the desired for the real.

Another example in support of these words is the military-technical cooperation of Russia with Egypt. It survived the dawn of Nasser’s time, faded away under Sadat, began to revive under Mubarak, almost ceased to exist under Mursi, and now again, like the Phoenix bird, is reborn under General Al-Sisi. Vietnam’s military-technical cooperation with Russia has not been interrupted for a single day and cannot be replaced by the United States by definition. For those close military and military-technical ties, of which we have already spoken, but also because there is a historical memory of not only the Vietnamese people, but also their leaders. They remember who helped the country during the years of the Indochina war, during the American aggression and all subsequent years - this memory cannot be killed even by economic gain.

And then, in Hanoi, they know that Washington’s policies are very fluid. Today it is profitable for the USA to add pepper to the opposition of Hanoi with Beijing - they will do it. Tomorrow for some reason they want to change the country's leadership that has not pleased them with something - the color revolution will not take long to come. Moreover, several thousand Vietnamese students have already studied in the United States, and the Peace Corps and other NGOs have firmly settled down in the region. While Russia has never interfered and does not interfere in the internal affairs of those countries with which it has military-technical cooperation, it does not furnish the supply of its weapons, depending on the changing policies of its partners.

Obama, like the next US president, as McCain, by the way, may try to play the Vietnamese card in his global game, against China, against Russia, but Vietnam, to their dismay, as evidenced by the fifty-year experience of this country, in such intrigues is not going to participate. Despite all the tempting overseas offers.

... Obama and McCain’s actions in Vietnam are similar to Zeus’s attempts to seduce Europe. Many people remember this famous myth. As a thunderer, he turned into a handsome bull, affectionate and submissive, like a week-old calf, with golden horns, curved like a new month, and golden wool, sparkling in the sun, as he lay down at the feet of a charming and naive girl in Europe, inviting her to ride. How it ended, remind, I think, not worth it.

So, it was not possible to seduce and kidnap Vietnam President Obama and Senator McCain. The attempt was worthless.
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  1. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 19 June 2016 15: 29
    +20
    Politics in the United States in most cases is very primitive - bribing the ruling elite. I think that with regard to Vietnam this focus will not work.
    1. megafair
      megafair 19 June 2016 15: 37
      +6
      Quote: Reserve Officer
      Politics in the United States in most cases is very primitive - bribing the ruling elite. I think that with regard to Vietnam this focus will not work.


      That's right, and if the ruling elite is not a bunch of idiots, and not a nest of traitors to their Fatherland, then nothing shines on Fashington!

      For it is enough to look at how things are going with the "friends of Omeriga" - and it becomes clear that it is better to keep on from such "friendship"!
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 June 2016 15: 40
        +9
        America in "friendly" embrace, for its own benefit, will strangle anyone, so it is better not to have such a friendship.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Tatyana
          Tatyana 19 June 2016 20: 08
          +1
          Of the Americans, the war in Vietnam is mainly remembered only by its veteran participants, and they evaluate it in different ways. Some are embarrassed to wear their orders and medals received in the Vietnam War, but keep them as a memory. Others generally threw their rewards out.
          But McCain, with a shifted concept of his American “exclusivity,” as he was an American militarist-provocateur, remained so. As they say, only the grave will correct the hunchback.
          Well, just as the USA has been pursuing its Anaconda strategy for several centuries around the world, it is being carried out everywhere. And Vietnam, the United States also seeks to put in this strategy.
          REFERENCE. The Anaconda strategy was developed by General McClellan during the US Civil War. This increment of economic well-being (USA) is the main goal of the war; avoiding a direct collision with your opponent and attracting ALLIES for this and with THEIR help - KILLING the consequences of actions taken for the sake of profit (first of all, for the USA itself).

          See “The Vietnam War. Wounds of War (RT documentary). ” Posted Apr 16 2013 year
      2. Hon
        Hon 19 June 2016 16: 15
        .
        You can look at Japan and Korea, and understand that everything is not so bad
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Para bellum
          Para bellum 19 June 2016 19: 49
          +3
          Yes, it’s not so bad that the Japanese are ready to drive the Yankees in three necks, now they are just protesting against such “happiness”.
          1. Hon
            Hon 19 June 2016 21: 18
            -3
            I remember recently protesting in Armenia, against the Russian base
    2. Verdun
      Verdun 19 June 2016 15: 41
      +3
      Quote: Reserve officer
      I think that with regard to Vietnam this focus will not work.

      If our politicians click their beaks, how else it will go. When someone whom you considered a friend throws you over and over and shows complete indifference, he ceases to be a friend. We also need to move. Of course, the Vietnamese do not feel great love for the former aggressor. But what can’t you do for the prosperity of the country? They will tolerate, and will cooperate.
      1. poquello
        poquello 19 June 2016 15: 55
        +1
        Quote: Verdun
        They will tolerate, and will cooperate.

        and they’ll miss a lot, Russia has long-standing friendly relations with China and Vietnam, they’re listening to friends - they’re afraid of enemies
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 June 2016 15: 59
      +4
      If they have not forgotten the "kind" and "generous" Americans who destroyed the population of Vietnam, then they will not agree to an alliance with them. Moreover, the end result of such "friendship" will inevitably be a color revolution and the destruction of Vietnam as a sovereign and independent country.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 June 2016 16: 00
      +2
      It’s a pity that McCain wasn’t beaten with hoes. It would be easier for everyone, both for him and us. He would not have been fucked with a bamboo stick for five years, and now we would not have seen this on TV.
    5. bocsman
      bocsman 19 June 2016 18: 22
      +2
      Criminals are always drawn to the crime scene!
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 19 June 2016 15: 31
    +6
    Americans where they climbed only destroyed and killed mostly civilians.
  3. megafair
    megafair 19 June 2016 15: 33
    +3
    At present, only a complete idiot, or an enemy of his state, can lead to fairy tales of Fashington!

    It is enough to look at how things are going with the "friends of Omeriga" - and it becomes clear that it is better to keep on from such "friendship"!
    1. Salvodor
      Salvodor 24 June 2016 14: 26
      0
      South korea state friend? Are they all bad?
  4. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 19 June 2016 15: 34
    0
    That’s friendship to the side - where the carrot is thicker and sweeter and run there. Few debts are forgiven and little is invested in this country.
  5. PKK
    PKK 19 June 2016 15: 35
    +5
    The war in Vietnam, America put on its head for a long, if not forever. Yes, and neighbors in favor of America will not quarrel with Vietnam. Well, there is a lot of joint work, the Vietnamese are a hard-working and smart people.
    1. poquello
      poquello 19 June 2016 16: 01
      0
      Quote: PKK
      The war in Vietnam, America put on its head for a long, if not forever. Yes, and neighbors in favor of America will not quarrel with Vietnam. Well, there is a lot of joint work, the Vietnamese are a hard-working and smart people.

      the Vietnamese are such that if their government buys the bourgeoisie, everything will be crushed and stand in their own circles
  6. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 19 June 2016 15: 37
    +7
    McCain misses the Hanoi prison ..
    1. poquello
      poquello 19 June 2016 15: 58
      +1
      Quote: dmi.pris
      McCain misses the Hanoi prison ..

      craves victory in a hybrid war
  7. pts-m
    pts-m 19 June 2016 15: 39
    +1
    As people say ... if you want to check a person, then give him money ... So with the former "fraternal" states. Checking for lice. Time will tell where the rake is scattered.
  8. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 19 June 2016 15: 40
    +3
    "Our fleet received the right to enter Cam Ranh to repair their ships, replenish fresh water and fuel supplies, and also to rest the crews."

    It’s not God knows what an achievement, ours and Malta are coming out for the same. request
  9. Cartalon
    Cartalon 19 June 2016 15: 41
    -4
    No, Vietnam will listen to tales of Chinese friendship naturally that the United States and Vietnam will agree, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and there are few who fought with anyone, if the news of an alliance with Germany was unlikely anyone would object.
  10. fa2998
    fa2998 19 June 2016 15: 41
    +2
    And what claims to the United States? Vietnam was in our "zone of action." There was our partner, an ally. But we abandoned them. And small countries need a big ally. After the collapse of the USSR, Vietnam found itself in a vacuum! With China, they did not work out, even fought, the United States simply took advantage of the situation. It's strange that the USSR collapsed 25 years ago, already another country, but the former allies were not even remembered! recourse hi
  11. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 June 2016 15: 47
    +1
    Quote: Reserve officer
    I think that with regard to Vietnam this focus will not work.

    It’s more correct to say - until it has passed. It’s just that the Americans wanted to solve the issue head on, there will be other attempts, and if we do not gain a foothold there in the near future, the region could be lost.
    1. asadov
      asadov 19 June 2016 15: 55
      +2
      the trick is that in this region we have to choose. To be friends with China or Vietnam, because they are among themselves like a cat and a dog. Well, with whom in this geopolitical situation we are friends, I think you understand without words.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 19 June 2016 22: 31
        0
        Vietnam is the first non-CIS country with which the CU is created in the form of free trade.
        China is the first foreign country with which it has been worked at the level of specialists and officials. middle level (Shuvalov) the issue of promoting the economic project Greater Eurasia (EAEU + China) - during the visit of the GDP to Beijing, negotiations on this project are expected to begin at the level of the leaders of our countries.
        At the same time, we have good relations with India, with which China has old problems.
        It is obvious that the Russian Federation is engaged in establishing good neighborly relations between these countries. Here, Pakistan can be remembered. hi
  12. family tree
    family tree 19 June 2016 15: 50
    +2
    No, well, they certainly studied the Iliad, according to the precepts of Ho Chi Minh, `` Fear the Danai who bring gifts. '' The shtatovtsy lay down softly, only then you will get into trouble with the service staff of their equipment, consumables and spare parts.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 19 June 2016 22: 10
      +2
      Quote: perepilka
      well, exactly the Iliad was studied, according to the precepts of Ho-Chi-Minh `` Fear the Danaans who bring gifts ''


      Unfortunately, in the Iliad there is no such phrase about the Danaans, from the word "absolutely"!
      IRL is from the Aeneid!
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  13. Abbra
    Abbra 19 June 2016 15: 55
    +1
    Ordinary Vietnamese remember everything ... But the bureaucrats are likely to surrender their memory and everything else ...
  14. Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 June 2016 15: 59
    +2
    Vieta knows the price of Amer’s promises, and pin..dosas most likely try to climb their oil shelf .. I think the prudence of communist Vietnam will win another victory over American revanchism.
  15. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 19 June 2016 16: 00
    +1
    I am simply amazed - then we have Turks in friends-allies, then the Chinese, then the Indians. Yes, they are all traders, nae..y first thing, it will be seen there. And you need to relate to them accordingly - grandmother, come on, and you will have both air defense systems, and SU, and submarines.
    "There is no money - tie a broom at the back. Go and mark, outline - bring." ...
  16. Abbra
    Abbra 19 June 2016 16: 01
    +4
    Ordinary Vietnamese remember everything ...
  17. Foxbed
    Foxbed 19 June 2016 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: avg-mgn
    It’s more correct to say - until it has passed. It’s just that the Americans wanted to solve the issue head on, there will be other attempts, and if we do not gain a foothold there in the near future, the region could be lost.

    Cuba, Vietnam, Argentina, Venezuela, and all these countries are in the development of the United States. The goal is one-complete isolation of Russia. Including through sports and media. Kazakhstan, Belarus, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan ... Yes
    The phenomenon is coming from all sides. That’s why their budget is bursting at the seams. We all need money. Then we will flinch, or the Americans will cover themselves with a star, unable to cope with spending. wink
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 17: 33
      +2
      Quote: Foxbed
      The goal is complete isolation of Russia.

      in the case of Vietnam, the anti-Chinese theme is traced first of all. Yankees play on territorial differences in a timely manner. In addition, the Pacific Partnership, they pulled Vietnam to themselves.
      1. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 19 June 2016 18: 13
        -1
        Quote: Pinky F.
        in the case of Vietnam, the anti-Chinese theme is traced first of all.

        Absolutely.
        Quote: Pinky F.
        In addition, the Pacific Partnership, they pulled Vietnam to themselves.

        and at the same time, they carefully plant Vietnam on their weapons. They are quietly growing a potential client. The truth of our defense industry, in this situation, will soon not be easy to play on the Vietnamese field, but yours will not be even easier.
  18. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 June 2016 16: 08
    +4
    Well guys I don’t know. When I was studying, the Vietnamese went to the stalovka with a song in the ranks. At least check the clock on them. Hang up silence. I showed it as 2 orders of grandfather’s orders (and hinted that Grandfather was in Japanese), they almost carried me in my arms.
    Now I do not know. Politics Wablo.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 19 June 2016 17: 17
      +6
      Quote: Barracuda
      I showed it as 2 orders of grandfather’s orders (and hinted that Grandfather was in Japanese), they almost carried me in my arms.

      I was in Vietnam in 2014, I WAS JUST STUNNED HOW THEY RESPECT THE RUSSIANS. There are many examples. As part of one post, I can tell you one case: I left my bag in the taxi. So the driver (already together with other Vietnamese passengers) was looking for me for half a day! And he connected half of the city to this business! Then, days later, the merchants of the pavilions constantly ran out and asked, they say, did the taxi driver find you? A nation that knows how to be grateful for the good that is done for it is a GREAT NATION. How it now contrasts with the nastiness that our former "brothers" are doing to us now.
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  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 June 2016 16: 19
    +2
    "Many people remember this famous myth. How the thunderer turned into a handsome bull how he lay down
    at the feet of a charming and naive girl in Europe, inviting her to ride.
    I think it's not worth reminding how it ended "////

    How it ended, how it ended ... - by mutual consent and further by a strong family:
    they had three healthy children. fellow
    (Vicki says their names are Minos, Radamant and Sarpedon)
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 19 June 2016 22: 14
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      How it ended, how it ended ... - by mutual consent and further by a strong family: they had three healthy children


      If mistress gave birth from married a male of three children is never a "strong family"! stop laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 June 2016 10: 00
        0
        But if a married male is the main god of the whole office, then ...
        as he says - as it will be !!! am
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        2. Weyland
          Weyland 20 June 2016 21: 15
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But if a married male is the main god of the whole office


          what matters more is not his steepness, but the fact that he has a feisty and jealous legal bitch, which has made an awesome fun life for a whole bunch of his mistresses and illegitimate children!

          Do you know a joke about how a bull tried to pin a lion about the fact that he is the king of animals, but at the same time he is afraid of his wife? Leo answered:
          the fact is that your wife is a cow, and I have a lioness!

          By the way, there is a version that the Nemean lion, Lernaean hydra, etc. It was Hera who gave birth (fig knows from whom) - so that these of her children ate the son of Zeus - Alcides. Not only did it not grow together - Alcides's victory over this whole pack was glorified so much that he was given the nickname Hercules for fun - that is, "Hera glorified"!
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  21. aleks700
    aleks700 19 June 2016 16: 29
    0
    The attempt was worthless.
    16 billion dollars. A completely worthless attempt.
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  23. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 19 June 2016 17: 02
    +1
    Visits, meetings, handshakes, smiles ... It's all for the public. The time and course of further events will show who decided to play which game with which cards. It is dangerous to get involved with the Americans, but Hanoi, apparently, decided to take the risk. Well, as it is in V. Vysotsky: "... let life show, let life teach ..."
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 June 2016 08: 53
      0
      Quote: LÄRZ
      Visits, meetings, handshakes, smiles ... It's all for the public. The time and course of further events will show who decided to play which game with which cards. It is dangerous to get involved with the Americans, but Hanoi, apparently, decided to take the risk. Well, as it is in V. Vysotsky: "... let life show, let life teach ..."

      Actually, time has already shown. They have been successfully cooperating for the past fifteen years and the relationship is getting stronger.
  24. Pbs
    Pbs 19 June 2016 18: 13
    0
    What a delightful naivety. Vietnamese saints, they are not for sale! It’s interesting how many times Russia still needs to walk on the same rake in order to learn a lesson ...
  25. Berkut24
    Berkut24 19 June 2016 18: 30
    0
    I would be in the place of all countries where the United States inherited as the beginning of cooperation, I would suggest, for a start, to compensate for all the country's losses incurred as a result of military aggression, economic sanctions and political pressure. As a confirmation of their good intentions and to restore justice. And then look at the faces of these "partners".
  26. Vivan
    Vivan 19 June 2016 18: 48
    +1
    Quote: asadov
    the trick is that in this region we have to choose. To be friends with China or Vietnam, because they are among themselves like a cat and a dog. Well, with whom in this geopolitical situation we are friends, I think you understand without words.

    That is why Vietnam, remembering the comprehensive and effective assistance of the USSR in the war against the United States, cannot hope at least for the political support of the Russian Federation in the event of a military conflict with powerful China. While Vietnam is closer to the Russian Federation and China than to the USA, but the threat of aggression from China puts the Vietnamese leadership in a difficult choice: socialism + friendship with the Russian Federation and intense friendship with China + risk of losing independence OR capitalism + friendship with the USA + independence (as they say Vietnamese: “you are friends with China - the whole party, but without dependence, you go with America - dependence is ensured, but without the party). And the leadership of Vietnam wants the party’s power and independence, that is, “the wolf is full and the sheep are safe.” That maneuvers. While it seems to be possible. But as soon as the Chinese comrades attack Vietnam, the Vietnamese communists will automatically turn into enemies of the Vietnamese people. Everything is logical: your comrades are aggressors, which means you are traitors to the homeland.
  27. max15243
    max15243 19 June 2016 18: 57
    0
    I think it’s not so simple. Everyone in the world is preparing hard, defending their national interests, for possible hostilities. Vietnam is simply trying to build up its military resources in every way possible. Supported aircraft require only qualified pilots and maintenance personnel whose training (retraining) will not take much time. When ordering new aircraft, this is primarily the time for their manufacture, and other money.
  28. awg75
    awg75 19 June 2016 21: 18
    0
    The Army and Navy of the Russian Federation are our only allies. All the rest will definitely betray in the course of history, as it is not sad ...
  29. pvv113
    pvv113 19 June 2016 21: 21
    +2
    This ardent anti-communist and failed president of the United States did not hesitate to send an official and, one might say, loyal letter to the Secretary General of the ruling Vietnam Communist Party, Nguyen Phu Jong, with a proposal for cooperation in strengthening the republic’s naval security.

    I doubt that over these 40 years McCain fell in love with Vietnam
  30. Mister22408
    Mister22408 19 June 2016 23: 05
    0
    The dad of this indigent served those guys (for which he received his ration) that they still rule the Fyrs and remember well that the Vietcong gave dyule to proud uncle Sam ... the towns and the possibilities of their cash flows are greatly underestimated :-) even Syshy) and remembering who gave China dulley lately, comparing personal experience, we decided to arm Hanoi (before that, weaning off part of the officer corps in all sorts of "western points"). So there is still possible and some kind of forceful option to change the political color of the country in an hour "Heh" :-) (this is in their opinion :-)) wassat
  31. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 June 2016 05: 55
    0
    Vietnam as a naive boy, thinks about a reset of relations with the United States, but it will not. He will remain the lumpenproletarium in the face of America.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 June 2016 08: 55
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Vietnam as a naive boy, thinks about a reset of relations with the United States, but it will not. He will remain the lumpenproletarium in the face of America.

      In fact, it already happened many years ago. These are the consequences of its development.
  32. Wolka
    Wolka 20 June 2016 06: 41
    0
    To control the region (Japan will not be enough), the Yankees are intensively looking for a place for bases in the South China Sea ...
  33. Old26
    Old26 20 June 2016 09: 38
    0
    Quote: megafair
    That's right, and if the ruling elite is not a bunch of idiots, and not a nest of traitors to their Fatherland, then nothing shines on Fashington!

    It does not shine? But it seems that the decision to buy "Hercules" and "Orions" says something else? Or not?

    Quote: Verdun
    If our politicians click their beaks, how else it will go.

    It is not only whether our beaks will click or not. In this contract, we have nothing to offer Vietnam

    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    If they have not forgotten the "kind" and "generous" Americans who destroyed the population of Vietnam, then they will not agree to an alliance with them. Moreover, the end result of such "friendship" will inevitably be a color revolution and the destruction of Vietnam as a sovereign and independent country.

    This, as far as we know, is not about union. And specifically about the purchase of weapons. And here, sorry, business and nothing personal. If the former enemy is ready to sell you something, why not buy it, especially if there are no other options. We didn’t go to an alliance with Germany either, but we bought a lot from them.

    Quote: LÄRZ
    Quote: DC 3
    Yes, I am not indignant, but I describe the fact itself, an unpleasant fact for us - there is a market and there is a demand for it, and we hijacked our planes.

    In particular, Boeing will sell a hundred of its aircraft to Vietnamese VietJet, not immediately, but over 10 over the years. No military agreements were signed, but the Defense News weekly, citing representatives of the US military-industrial complex, said that Vietnam was interested in the supply of military transport aircraft C-130, used F-16 fighter from the Pentagon’s warehouses, as well as P-3C base patrol aircraft, also not new, and unmanned aerial vehicles for reconnaissance in coastal areas, monitoring ships and vessels passing along the Vietnamese coast, and for reconnaissance. Second-hand, it must be understood, is acquired because of the extremely low price.
    And what price have we set for Vietnam? Or, as in Soviet times, trade at a loss? Let them get used.

    We simply have nothing to offer instead of "Orions" and "Hercules". About the F-16 - HZ. Migi-29 could go, but why and what - nothing can be said here
  34. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 20 June 2016 10: 10
    +1
    Vietnam is growing rapidly economically, he had real money.
    And he is in a step of confrontation with giant China over the islands
    and shelf in the South China Sea.
    And Russia in the region turned out, whatever one may say, to the side of China
    (and against America and its allies - Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines).
    Where to get to Vietnam?
    He falls into the zone of influence of the United States. And those - do not mind.