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"Dome" increases the combat potential of air defense systems

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"Dome" increases the combat potential of air defense systems



In modern warfare, air attack weapons play a decisive role in most cases. Accordingly, the role of air defense assets has increased. This is especially true of short-range anti-aircraft missile systems, whose combat crews are under the difficult and responsible task of destroying enemy air attack weapons that have broken through other lines of the air defense system. NVO observer Nikolai POROSKOV spoke with the Chief Designer of the anti-aircraft missile systems of the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol Iosif DRIZE. On account of this company - the development of several world-famous and highly efficient short-range air defense systems.

- Dear Iosif Matveyevich, with good reason you are attributed to the creators of the scientific and engineering design basis for building military SAMs. Under your scientific leadership, the Krug, Osa, Thor, and their modifications were developed, mastered in production, and put into service by the air defense missile systems and air defense missile systems. And here “Torah” - 30 years, and “Osa” - all 45. How did their design come about? What dictated their improvement in different years?

- After the Second World War, aircraft with jet engines appeared, the speed and altitude increased significantly. The gun-laying stations, which provided information for controlling anti-aircraft artillery, were ineffective for dealing with new aircraft. Anti-aircraft defense received missiles, the probability of hitting air targets increased, and airplanes to combat air defense using radar began to nestle on the ground. In this case, the locators were wrong in determining the coordinates.


Combat shooting is conducted by the Tor-MHNUMXKM air defense missile system.

The task was to create a complex to combat low-altitude targets. This is how “Wasp” appeared, which allowed to fight targets flying at altitudes up to 25 m and at a distance of up to 10 km. The complex had a relatively long reaction time (from target detection to rocket launch) - 26 seconds. But low-flying targets could appear at a very short range, it was necessary to catch them, which required less reaction time. And a new complex with acceptable characteristics called “Thor” was created. Unlike the "Wasp", it was significantly automated, it used new types of radar, which reduced the reaction time to 5 – 8 seconds. This significantly increased combat effectiveness.

- It is clear that any weapon constantly improving. Are the recommendations from the troops taken into account - the wishes of the "consumers"?

- The task is not just to develop a complex, but to make it so that troops can use it. We are still following even the work of “Wasps”, not to mention modern systems, we extract information from the troops that may be interesting for us when creating new algorithms for the work of “Wasps” and “Torah”.

- What foreign assessments of your complexes are known to you?

- I heard and read only praise, negative I do not know. Abroad there are complexes "Thor" of the previous modifications, therefore, it is easy to evaluate. When compared with foreign counterparts, "Thor" is certainly one of the best.

- Not so long ago passed the test shooting anti-aircraft missile complex "Thor", which successfully hit the target in motion. On the basis of the materials received, programs will be formed that will allow “to use the movement” in different situations of the complex. What are these situations?

- This complex is designed to protect the ground forces, including during their movement. Therefore, the ability of the complex to shoot on the move, in a column of troops, is very important. Having stopped for firing at air targets, the air defense complex delays the movement of troops. This, of course, is undesirable, as the probability of their defeat increases.

Based on the results of tests of previous models, we took up the task of shooting on the go. The experience has yielded positive results, the ability to shoot on the move will be introduced into the previously released complexes - Tor-M2 and Tor-M2.

- That is, before the possibility of air defense systems was not?

- Before this shooting was possible only from the parking lot.

- Abroad there are complexes that shoot on the go?

- Missile - no.

- As far as I know, you are working on the marine and polar versions of the Tor system. What are the features of these models?

- There are various modifications of the complexes. In particular, made on a tracked chassis - for any off-road. For one of the countries made a complex on wheels. For specific uses of the complex, we consider various vehicles. At the exhibition-forum "Army-2016" will be shown a prototype of the arctic version of "Top-2MDT".

- The struggle between the creators of the means of attack and defense is eternal. Both those and others speak about the uniqueness of their offspring, their uniqueness. Who is right? Or the truth, as always, lies in the middle? And where is the middle, if we talk about your complexes?

- Both are right. Here there are new means of jamming, which are protection for attackers. We are exploring these tools and developing new methods for overcoming them. A few years have passed - new interferences have appeared, to which we also react, we are looking for opposition. This process is ongoing, as the continuous improvement of attack and defense.

The Americans created aerodynamic goals using stealth technology - a reduction in the reflective surface of the target, a change in its geometric shape, the use of a wash that absorbs radio waves. Hence the reduction of the target detection range. We, in turn, increase our ability to detect targets with a smaller reflective surface.

- How?

- I would not like to talk about this.

- Developers, creators of any weapon are simply forced to look at tomorrow. What new air attack weapons should be expected? Which of them are you already preparing to meet and neutralize? The sixth generation of aircraft is conceived entirely as drones. How do you take this into account when upgrading complexes?

- UAVs have lower characteristics than conventional aerodynamic targets: slower speed, greater vulnerability. But they take more. For this reason, our weapons must be multichannel in order to simultaneously hit several targets.

- Apparently, it is necessary to take into account the ratio of prices of the rocket and the UAV. The rocket is still more expensive.

- In relation to the simplest drone yes, more expensive. But we are working to reduce the cost of the rocket.

- Do you take into account in your developments the fact that the wars of the future are contactless, network-centric, hybrid? How are going to counteract the means of electronic warfare?

- When I talked about interference, I meant just EW. There are many methods to deal with them. For example, changing the frequency of radiation. Here again we see the confrontation of bullets and armor: the enemy has time to rebuild his disturbance in the same way as we do, or not. There is a way to extract useful information from interference and its use.


Complexes of the Tor family can be effectively used in the coastal defense system, covering the troops in the coastal directions.

- Is it possible on your complexes to counteract EMR - to an electromagnetic pulse, the source of which is a high-altitude nuclear explosion?

- Modern air defense systems are protected from EMP. Mostly using shielding, but there are other means and methods.

- In developing atomic and then nuclear weapons, Kurchatov and his team actively used intelligence data. Do you use intelligence data?

- I get information from higher-level organizations, and where it is from them, I do not know. Many confidential things slip in the open press. But we must bear in mind that in the open press there is both information and misinformation. We must be able to separate one from the other. This is possible in principle, since science is common to us and them.

- The C-300 air defense missile system exists in two versions - object and military air defense. It was a competition Bunkin and Ephraim.

- Both of them left, but the competition, as well as their glory, remained.

- But, however, the Bunkin C-300P (PMU) is much better known, it is more salable compared to C-300В.

- The military system is built on tracks, can be deployed in any terrain, can move, which C-300P cannot. Secondly, the characteristics of the C-300В were and still remain higher than those of a competitor - due to the use of both radio engineering and aerodynamic methods. System “B” is also exported to different countries. The system made for the Ground Forces should cost more due to the cost of expensive vehicles, due to the technical solutions to combat the interference that even the transport itself introduces. Nevertheless, the ratio of efficiency – cost is in favor of the military system. Her affected area is higher.

“But in the object defense, there is already a C-400, C-500“ at demolition ”...

- C-400 is only trying to catch up with C-300В ...

- Which of your foreign counterparts of your air defense systems cause you respect and, perhaps, fear? Have you met with the creators of foreign complexes Air defense, as did our weapons and aviation constructors?

- It's hard for me to compare. Americans, for example, do not create such air defense missiles, believing, apparently, that overseas you can exist without fear of air strikes low-flying targets. There is a good French complex “Crotal”, the Germans are working in this direction, but the results are not yet known. I met with foreign designers except at international conferences, arms exhibitions, but not one-on-one.

- Did the Vimpel Engineering Bureau make such a rocket for Tor-M2U that it hits the target rocket head-on? The developers of the complex itself and the rockets to it work autonomously or interact?

- CB "Vympel" - our co-contractors. I will clarify what you said. The complex has two modifications: Tor-MXNUMU with an old rocket, Tor-M2 with a new one.

- I met different explanations of the origin of the name "Thor". The first is from a geometric sphere, a toroid, a peculiar donut. It is said that this is how fragments of the missile complex fly at the target, hitting it. And how really?

- The Ministry of Defense for air defense systems of the Ground Forces at one time used the terminology of geometry: "Cube", "Beech" (reverse "Cube"), "Square", "Circle", "Thor" - a toroid.

- In the world, Soviet and Russian weapons are often copied, especially since some Soviet socialist countries were handed over technical documentation. Did this happen to your complexes?

- The Chinese copy the "Thor" of the first modifications. In the open press, they do not show their complex, therefore it is impossible to make any claims to them. We do not have a powerful service that could "recapture" our patent.

- Little stories. Before the “Storm in the Desert” the special forces of the multinational forces, using helicopters, penetrated into Kuwait, captured and took out the Osa anti-aircraft missile system with all the technical documentation. It was captured and the crew of the Iraqi military. What were the consequences of this event for you?


An important advantage of the combat vehicle of the Tor family is the tracked chassis, which allows the complex to be constantly in combat formations of army units. Photos provided by the press service of JSC "IEMZ" Kupol "

- There was no technical design documentation in Kuwait, and there could not be. There was only operational documentation.

- The following message took place in the media: at the beginning of 1991, during the hostilities, the Iraqi Osa anti-aircraft missile system shot down an American cruise missile. Did such an ability of “Wasp” surprise you?

- Why not shoot down? "Wasp" and is designed to work on low-flying speed targets. Such is the American subsonic cruise missile.

- This year Tor-M2 will replace the Osa-AK complexes in some Ground Forces units. The day is not far when “Wasp” is no longer needed. And then there will be only "Thor"? Or will there be some new air defense system? Vyacheslav Kartashov, Assistant Director General of the Dome for Military-Technical Cooperation and Government Orders, said: “Based on the available scientific and technical developments and taking into account the experience of creating the entire family of Thor complexes, we are working to create a promising, new short-range air defense missile system that will significantly exceed its performance characteristics what was done before. " Something can be said about the upcoming air defense system?

- Kartashov said everything correctly. We, the developers, are improving the existing complexes, but in what direction, with what characteristics the novelty will be, this is not for publication.

- The Tor system in a modular version can be placed on the roofs of buildings and structures, on hard-to-reach sites, trailers, semi-trailers, on railway platforms and even on low-tonnage vessels. In the winter of 2014 in Sochi, Thor ensured the safety of the Olympic Games. What experience was gained with it?

- At the Olympics, not the modular, but the usual tracked "Thor" was used. There is a model and modular "Torah", we offer it to foreign customers. Today we are negotiating (with our consultations) on the Rosoboronexport line.

- The creators of the new tank "Armata" say that its crew can fight in white shirts and for days. Is it convenient for the crew to fight in your complexes?

- Our complexes meet the requirements of the military. You can fight on them and in white shirts: there is an air conditioning system, ventilation ...

- The Osa complexes, which have not been produced for 20 for years, are still working effectively. That is, the potential for modernization is enormous. But "Osa" - analog complex, "Thor" - digital. Any elements of the "Torah" can apply when upgrading "Wasps"?

- It is already implemented. The modernized Osa is currently undergoing state tests. The life of the complex will continue. Work is underway on the "Thor". All this is done by a large team of Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant "Kupol" and its Moscow branch (SKB), which is developing advanced systems. We expect that in the coming years we will be able to significantly upgrade the short-range air defense system.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 June 2016 05: 55
    +5
    Yes, there is a feeling that "Torah", "Wasps" may be needed not only at landfills. Sadly, NATO is surrounded from all sides. And you have to be prepared for everything, including the very bad.
  2. romex1
    romex1 18 June 2016 07: 48
    +8
    damn it, and we have a generation and did not hold an automaton in our hands. manpower is needed to manage both the TOP and the BUK, and very quickly, otherwise NATO now has a head start at 25
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 18 June 2016 12: 00
      +4
      Quote: romex1
      damn it, and we have a generation and did not hold an automaton in our hands. manpower is needed to manage both the TOP and the BUK, and very quickly, otherwise NATO now has a head start at 25

      it’s not that they didn’t keep AK (they didn’t serve), but the fact that NVP was canceled in schools, after which there was at least some idea of ​​interaction in the unit (you can teach a monkey to shoot in a week);
      as for personnel for controlling the air defense system - this is to Serdyukov, today four new-made lieutenants are being released in the VA VPVO SV RF (there was no release at all, but here the return of Crimea helped).
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 June 2016 09: 03
    +3
    We expect that in the coming years we will be able to significantly update the air defense system short range.

    What is very necessary for motorized rifle troops.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 18 June 2016 10: 56
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      What is very necessary for motorized rifle troops.

      Not only. They will find use in object-based air defense: firstly, directly covering the very positions of the same S-300/400, secondly, as the last line of defense of the object, thirdly, at distant approaches, block possible routes of hidden approach to the object at low altitudes in the terrain . hi
  4. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 18 June 2016 09: 11
    +3
    It’s good that the old ones are modernizing, but not being written off, the air defense density will need a lot.
  5. corporal
    corporal 18 June 2016 10: 36
    +1
    The S-400 is only trying to catch up with the S-300V ...
    Understood nothing what The 400th has the worst performance ??? How can this be?
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 19 June 2016 13: 14
      0
      Quote: Corporal
      The S-400 is only trying to catch up with the S-300V ...
      Understood nothing what The 400th has the worst performance ??? How can this be?

      S-300V, in it the emphasis on missile defense seems to be, if I do not confuse, but S-400 air defense with missile defense elements. And again, the S-300 is being replaced. Although it may confuse. Correct, if that.
  6. Old26
    Old26 18 June 2016 11: 26
    +5
    Quote: Corporal
    The S-400 is only trying to catch up with the S-300V ...
    Understood nothing what The 400th has the worst performance ??? How can this be?

    Silently ... The S-300B4 has a range of destruction of aerodynamic targets EMNIP now 400 km. The S-400 - only with a 40N6E missile, which is not yet in service
    1. corporal
      corporal 18 June 2016 11: 38
      -1
      Quote: Old26
      which is not yet in service

      And why the hell then all these years we were forced to believe in the exclusivity of our complexes, as "NO ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD" am
      We were fooled in the first place.
      1. 11 black
        11 black 18 June 2016 11: 55
        +3
        Quote: Corporal
        And why the hell then all these years we were forced to believe in the uniqueness of our complexes, as "WITHOUT ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD" am
        We were fooled in the first place.

        C300B4 is not our complex?
  7. Old26
    Old26 18 June 2016 12: 40
    +4
    Quote: Corporal
    And why the hell then all these years we were forced to believe in the exclusivity of our complexes, as "NO ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD"
    We were fooled in the first place.


    Svyatoslav! At the forefront of all and always stands PR. Do not praise your weapons - FIG sell. Before the collapse of the Union, our equipment was mainly bought only by socialist countries and non-aligned, such as India. And m began to participate in international military exhibitions - you look and went sales to other countries.
    So the PR of weapons is understandable. But our man is very peculiar. Today he can admire something to the point of losing his pulse, only because it is his own, domestic and popular. In such situations, a person simply stops "filtering the bazaar" and he firmly believes in what he is told. They say that "NO ANALOGUE HAVE" or what is it "SUPERWEAPON" - Believes at all 1000%, he has an adrenaline rush, he, as one friend of mine says, ssyt ferry. But at the same time, he loses the ability to think soberly. Starts to build "sand castles"based on this PR. And, pay attention, this happens with a certain periodicity. Moreover, these weapons systems writers begin to embed in any situation, necessary or not necessary.
    Here's a look (retrospective a few years ago):

    1. It is announced that a cruise missile has been developed for the Iskander. Some of the journalists and EXPERDs let out a cartoon that it has a range of 2000 km. Immediately they begin to draw the firing zones with these "mythical" cruise missiles. Forgetting that they are subsonic and it is quite easy to shoot them down, especially when flying over 2000 km, almost 3 hours of time. But this is no longer perceived ...

    2. A non-export version of "Caliber" appears. For 2 years no attention has been paid to her, although they have spoken about her. But then Syria appeared - and that's it. Only about "CALIBRE" and conversations. Then they again begin to draw circles of the affected areas. It touches that Europe is immediately represented by almost a lifeless desert, and absolutely unarmed. Some start to dream about how "CALIBERS" "swept away" American fleet from the oceans, at a distance of 1,5-2 thousand kilometers. To many, this seems small and they are beginning to talk about 5000 km. Forgetting that the "long-range" missile of this complex goes according to electronic maps of the area (and there are none on the water). And that the enemy has an order or two more carriers of "axes", and the total number is several dozen times greater.
    1. Signore Tomato
      Signore Tomato 18 June 2016 22: 26
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      Forgetting that the "long-range" missile of this complex goes according to electronic maps of the area (and there are none on the water).


      Takeaway brain shovel.

      Especially for the senile:
      On "electronic maps of the area", which "are not on the water", the rocket flies with the help of INERTIAL navigation systems. These are things called gyroscopic. For such navigation systems, systems such as ZhPS and GLONAS are NOT NEEDED, which means that satellites are also not needed, which can be "quite easily" blocked. "Maps that are not on the water" for such systems were made once somewhere in the 70s and 80s and translated into electronic form. These very inertial navigation systems are guided by them.

      All the fangs smoked their own mosquito and try to do the same with the brains of other listeners who hung their ears.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 19 June 2016 14: 04
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Corporal
      And why the hell then all these years we were forced to believe in the exclusivity of our complexes, as "NO ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD"
      We were fooled in the first place.


      Svyatoslav! At the forefront of all and always stands PR. Do not praise your weapons - FIG sell. Before the collapse of the Union, our equipment was mainly bought only by socialist countries and non-aligned, such as India. And m began to participate in international military exhibitions - you look and went sales to other countries.
      So the PR of weapons is understandable. But our man is very peculiar. Today he can admire something to the point of losing his pulse, only because it is his own, domestic and popular. In such situations, a person simply stops "filtering the bazaar" and he firmly believes in what he is told. They say that "NO ANALOGUE HAVE" or what is it "SUPERWEAPON" - Believes at all 1000%, he has an adrenaline rush, he, as one friend of mine says, ssyt ferry. But at the same time, he loses the ability to think soberly. Starts to build "sand castles"based on this PR. And, pay attention, this happens with a certain periodicity. Moreover, these weapons systems writers begin to embed in any situation, necessary or not necessary.
      Here's a look (retrospective a few years ago):

      1. It is announced that a cruise missile has been developed for the Iskander. Some of the journalists and EXPERDs let out a cartoon that it has a range of 2000 km. Immediately they begin to draw the firing zones with these "mythical" cruise missiles. Forgetting that they are subsonic and it is quite easy to shoot them down, especially when flying over 2000 km, almost 3 hours of time. But this is no longer perceived ...

      2. A non-export version of "Caliber" appears. For 2 years no attention has been paid to her, although they have spoken about her. But then Syria appeared - and that's it. Only about "CALIBRE" and conversations. Then they again begin to draw circles of the affected areas. It touches that Europe is immediately represented by almost a lifeless desert, and absolutely unarmed. Some start to dream about how "CALIBERS" "swept away" American fleet from the oceans, at a distance of 1,5-2 thousand kilometers. To many, this seems small and they are beginning to talk about 5000 km. Forgetting that the "long-range" missile of this complex goes according to electronic maps of the area (and there are none on the water). And that the enemy has an order or two more carriers of "axes", and the total number is several dozen times greater.

      Is it okay that an Iskander missile, flying subsonic, flies at a very low altitude, at which it is corny difficult to detect, and at the target it goes to supersonic? Couch Analyst.
      1. andj61
        andj61 19 June 2016 14: 25
        0
        Quote: Muvka
        Is it okay that an Iskander missile, flying subsonic, flies at a very low altitude, at which it is corny difficult to detect, and at the target it goes to supersonic? Couch Analyst.

        I wonder how you can call someone who discusses the performance characteristics of a missile that has not yet existed - in particular, a cruise missile for Iskander? what
        At one time, the RSMDN agreement was concluded, according to which both we and the United States refused to own, produce and develop medium-range ground-based systems.
        And we have no reason to return to the situation of the mid-80s again, violating the treaty, we do not have: this means engaging in an arms race, in this we do not have any opportunities, primarily economic ones, to catch up with the USA and NATO. In response to each of our missiles, they will easily respond with dozens of their own. And why give money to bigwigs of the American military-industrial complex? It is enough for us to be able to destroy them only once - and we already have this opportunity. The ability to destroy them ten times we do not need ...
  8. Old26
    Old26 18 June 2016 12: 40
    +3
    3. The company offers container installations with the same CALIBER or URANIUM for underdeveloped countries. Despite the fact that not a single such complex has been delivered for 10 years from the date of its presentation - do not care. Already made in their dreams almost a child prodigy, not taking into account many details.

    4. There was a "superwaffe sink" called "STATUS-6". With the naked eye, it’s clear that the drain, but the TTX allows us to hit 10000 km from the enemy’s base, going at a depth of 1 km at a speed of almost 160 km / h - that’s all. But the elementary questions that need to be soberly asked - alas, they are not there, they are forgotten.

    5. There is information about "Sarmate", "Barguzine", "4202", "Frontier" - the same situation

    And here is your remark about the S-400. Also PR. Yes, the complex is more advanced than the S-300. He can use a larger nomenclature of missiles than the S-300, but he still does not have the most important one that would distinguish him from the S-300 - the 40N6 missile. But the complex is self-propelled, but the S-300V4 is not. It was quietly, slowly modernized, and suddenly it turns out that the S-400 is behind him

    Quote: 11 black
    C300B4 is not our complex?

    Our. But not PR. How many people have heard about this modification of the complex? Or did you think that the S-300 was regularly modernized, and the S-300V remained in the same form as at the time of adoption?
    1. corporal
      corporal 18 June 2016 13: 03
      -2
      Quote: Old26
      At the forefront of all and always stands PR.

      what It seems that the overstatement of our own invincibility has already left us sideways in 1941.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 June 2016 22: 04
      -2
      STATUS 6 is a scarecrow for the enemy - the weapon is not effective - as long as it swims from our shores to the US coast the war will end - ICBMs are more effective and much faster.
    3. Muvka
      Muvka 19 June 2016 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      3. The company offers container installations with the same CALIBER or URANIUM for underdeveloped countries. Despite the fact that not a single such complex has been delivered for 10 years from the date of its presentation - do not care. Already made in their dreams almost a child prodigy, not taking into account many details.

      4. There was a "superwaffe sink" called "STATUS-6". With the naked eye, it’s clear that the drain, but the TTX allows us to hit 10000 km from the enemy’s base, going at a depth of 1 km at a speed of almost 160 km / h - that’s all. But the elementary questions that need to be soberly asked - alas, they are not there, they are forgotten.

      5. There is information about "Sarmate", "Barguzine", "4202", "Frontier" - the same situation

      And here is your remark about the S-400. Also PR. Yes, the complex is more advanced than the S-300. He can use a larger nomenclature of missiles than the S-300, but he still does not have the most important one that would distinguish him from the S-300 - the 40N6 missile. But the complex is self-propelled, but the S-300V4 is not. It was quietly, slowly modernized, and suddenly it turns out that the S-400 is behind him

      Quote: 11 black
      C300B4 is not our complex?

      Our. But not PR. How many people have heard about this modification of the complex? Or did you think that the S-300 was regularly modernized, and the S-300V remained in the same form as at the time of adoption?

      Where did you get the idea that Status 6 should be offshore? Please poke me where it is stated. I'm waiting.
  9. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 18 June 2016 13: 07
    0
    Quote: Corporal
    And why the hell then all these years we were forced to believe in the exclusivity of our complexes, as "NO ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD"
    We were fooled in the first place.

    Do not confuse: the complex of detection, control and counteraction and the weapons used by the complex to counter the enemy are different concepts hi !
  10. Old26
    Old26 18 June 2016 13: 21
    +1
    Quote: gladysheff2010
    Do not confuse: the complex of detection, control and counteraction and the weapons used by the complex to counter the enemy are different concepts

    Alas, but COMPLEX - it's all together. And a complex of detection, and control, and counteraction and application. Even with the most advanced detection tools, if there is no long-range missile, this greatly reduces its capabilities.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 18 June 2016 13: 40
      0
      Amendment - The S-300 family is not an anti-aircraft missile system, but an anti-aircraft missile system.
  11. TOR2
    TOR2 18 June 2016 13: 46
    0
    This complex is designed to protect the ground forces, including during their movement. Therefore, the ability of the complex to shoot on the move, in a column of troops, is very important.

    In wars of a new type, the critical targets for the enemy will be objects of critical infrastructure, rather than convoys of troops. The reflection of a massive impact is primarily increased computing power and the ability of an air defense system to quickly recharge. And this is an air defense system of a slightly different type, which we unfortunately do not have.
  12. Operator
    Operator 18 June 2016 13: 58
    +6
    None of those involved knows the composition of the missiles delivered to the S-400 air defense missile system, but the fact that after a well-known discussion with Putin on what to install the latter in Syria at the Russian S-300 or S-400 airbase speaks volumes.

    It is likely that anti-aircraft missiles 40Н6 with a range of up to 400 km are already on alert.

    I remember that many on this forum, through a lip, argued that the sea-based "Caliber" flies only up to 300 km, and after being used in Syria in 2015, they changed their shoes on the fly. The same thing happened with the aircraft-based "Caliber-A" just a month ago - it was worth placing on the VO the photos of this complex from the international exhibition (2007, however) and the storyboard of the missile launch from the Su-27 - as everyone immediately believed in its presence ...

    The same thing will happen with 40Н6 - it suddenly turns out that she is the nth amount of time already on combat duty.

    Of course, there are white-collar workers and Israelis in VO (not all that is indicative), which even officially announced the deadlines for putting on the T-14 and T-50 series are dirty, but they are on salary.
  13. Old26
    Old26 18 June 2016 14: 39
    +1
    Quote: Operator
    None of those involved knows the composition of the missiles delivered to the S-400 air defense missile system, but the fact that after a well-known discussion with Putin on what to install the latter in Syria at the Russian S-300 or S-400 airbase speaks volumes.

    Well, choosing from two complexes, choose the one whose parameters are better. And with the S-400, the radar detection range is much higher than that of the S-300. That's all.

    Quote: Operator
    It is likely that anti-aircraft missiles 40Н6 with a range of up to 400 km are already on alert.

    The same thing will happen with 40Н6 - it suddenly turns out that she is the nth amount of time already on combat duty.

    I would like to believe it, but so far there is no evidence of this. Neither from the Kapustin Yar training ground, nor from the place of deployment (one of the last deployed). So I think not. So that we, and even keep silent about such an event - "I do not believe" (c).
    So, I’m afraid, Andrey, this is only a dream and this is indirectly confirmed by an interview with Joseph DRIZE. If there were rockets, there would be no phrase that the S-400 is behind the S-300V.

    Quote: Operator
    I remember that many on this forum, through a lip, argued that the sea-based "Caliber" flies only up to 300 km, and after being used in Syria in 2015, they changed their shoes on the fly. The same thing happened with the aircraft-based "Caliber-A" just a month ago - it was worth placing on the VO the photos of this complex from the international exhibition (2007, however) and the storyboard of the missile launch from the Su-27 - as everyone immediately believed in its presence ...

    And here I am with you, Andrey, absolutely agree. I wrote about this a little higher. In particular, about "Caliber" in 2013 there was an interview with the commander of the Caspian Flotilla. He stated that the ship fired at a sea target from an EMNIP range of 375 km, and at a land target at a distance of more than a thousand kilometers. it was also said that the countries of the entire Middle East in general and the Persian Gulf in particular are at gunpoint. But this news passed by, no one paid attention to it ... With regard to other similar events - the same
  14. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 18 June 2016 16: 40
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    Quote: aszzz888
    Yes, there is a feeling that "Torah", "Wasps" may be needed not only at landfills. Sadly, NATO is surrounded from all sides. And you have to be prepared for everything, including the very bad.

    Hi!! Yes, all the same, the two options compete or, more simply, complement each other. Military and object ... the first is initially expensive. It’s very difficult to find it. You never know where the troubles await you. It’s much easier with the object site. Positioning areas are known in principle. The Open Sky (Contract) makes its contribution. But the military problem. Specialists who participated in various conflicts have always noted. The smoky trace from the rocket that has started gives an objective one. And now it’s time to get out of the area on time. After 15-20 minutes, the aviation of the so-called colleagues cleans the area thoroughly. Here the main factor is mobility. Even the Union, in spite of the great opportunity, could not completely solve the problem. There were always fewer troops than objects. The issue of price. Here a very interesting complex was intentionally missed. Bug who discards him, I do not envy. This plain little humpbacked horse can easily bring a surprise. Having knocked a felt boot with a pood weight!. When he appeared all the participants in the fights with the aviation of some countries were very sorry that such a device was not there. I really hope that the Shell is superior to its ancestor, a poorly appreciated Tunguska., Now everything is wasting time. It knows no mercy. And an interesting moment the gentlemen of the Democrats have revived. Even on the upper floors, calls are constantly being heard to reduce the military budget. They do not care that more than a third goes to the construction of new and reconstruction of old factories. Of course what for 280 new plants. They say we’ve lived without them and will still live. Listening to representatives of state corporations who say we do almost everything ourselves, but there are components that we can’t produce yet, and here the market reacts clearly. Prices have skyrocketed. And with the creation of facilities for production is constantly a problem. For a number of reasons, the tool industry cannot cope. And the purchase of production centers is complicated by sanctions. And what kind of industry do not take such sadness is where one and where and two. Without them, a pile of expensive metal. This is where all the means thrown away can be used to expand narrow but important places for the country. With respect to everyone on the site.
  15. listener
    listener 18 June 2016 18: 39
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    In NATO air defense missile systems, it is possible to remotely control air defense systems to save the crew during a missile attack. Does the TOR have such an opportunity?