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Five famous Russian warships

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LINEAR SHIP INGREMLAND

Five famous Russian warships


This 64-gun ship of the line is considered to be the quintessence of the shipbuilding of the era of Peter I. By the time it was laid, Russia had already gained considerable experience in construction, but the number of guns on battleships did not exceed 60. When the Ingermanland was built, this line was broken - 64 guns were installed on it.

The ship was designed personally by Peter I, who introduced a number of new products in his design: the absence of traditional high stern ships for earlier ships, an improved design of the keel, fore and mainmast with a third row of straight sails (forts and mainways bramsiel).

The ship was laid in 1712 year. He received the name in honor of Ingermanlandia, recently conquered from Sweden, on whose lands St. Petersburg is located. The direct supervisor of the construction was the British shipmaster Richard Cosenz, who was accepted by Peter to serve in Russia.

"Ingermanland" became the first Russian ship, which showed high speed and good seaworthiness. The sovereign liked the ship so much that for several years he kept his flag on it. That was the case in 1716, when Peter I personally led the combined Anglo-Dutch-Danish-Russian squadron on an expedition to Bornholm, and also in 1719, when the Baltic fleet approached Stockholm directly.

In memory of the glorious campaigns, the sovereign ordered: "To keep [" Ingermanland "] for memory." Since 1725, the ship in the sea no longer went out, its hull was gradually rotten and began to fill with water, as a result of which, in 1738, Ingermanland ran aground in Kronstadt harbor. Soon he was dismantled for firewood.

A well-designed design by Peter I with minor modifications was repeated in Russian navy almost until the end of the XVIII century.

LINEAR SHIP "HOLY PAUL"



84-gun battleship "St. Paul" laid in Nikolaev in 1791 year. The drawings were developed by the ship engineer Semyon Afanasyev by order of Grigory Potemkin. In 1795, the ship moved to Sevastopol. From 30 April to 3 May 1798, together with the battleships Zachary and Elizabeth, Saint Peter, Holy Trinity, and the Epiphany of the Lord, participated in the comparative tests conducted by Paul I, but showed far from the best result. However, it was “Saint Paul” who entered history naval art, as the famous naval commander Fyodor Ushakov kept his flag on it during the assault on Corfu fortress in 1799 year.

Russia at that time was part of a coalition of European countries that had fought with France, so the Black Sea squadron of six ships of the line, seven frigates and three brigs with troops on board under the command of FF, who had already become famous by that time, went to the Mediterranean Sea. Ushakov. After the passage of the straits, it was now joined by the Allied Turkish forces consisting of four battleships and six frigates.
Soon the admiral set about freeing the Ionian islands occupied by France. The main stronghold of the enemy was the impregnable fortress of Corfu, armed with 650 guns and a garrison of military personnel in 3000. Food stocks allowed to withstand a six-month siege.

Operation against Corfu F.F. Ushakov decided to launch a swift attack covering the entrance to the harbor of Vido Island, which the Russian troops, supported by naval artillery, had mastered during several hours. Not giving the French respite, the second landing immediately captured two forts directly on Corfu, which seriously demoralized the enemy. 20 February 1799 of the year on board the "St. Paul" was signed by the surrender of the French fortress. Such workshops of Fyodor Ushakov deserve the enthusiastic response of the great Alexander Suvorov, who wrote: “Hurray! Russian fleet! I now say to myself: why I was not at Corfu even though a midshipman? ” The inhabitants of the island, grateful for their release, presented the admiral with a diamond decorated with diamonds.

25 July “St. Paul” left Corfu for Italian Messina for joint operations with the British fleet, and on October 26 the following year, he returned to Sevastopol.

LINEAR SHIP "AZOV"



74-gun ship of the line "Azov" laid in October 1825, at the Solombalsk shipyard in Arkhangelsk. Officially, the builder of the ship was considered the famous master Andrei Kurochkin, but by that time he was already an elderly person, and in fact, Vasily Yershov later also supervised the work. The project turned out to be so good that according to it, in Russian shipyards in 1826 – 1836, 15 of the same type ships were built.
Before the construction was completed, the Azov commander appointed a famous Russian navigator, the discoverer of Antarctica and the future commander of the Black Sea Fleet, captain of the 1 rank Mikhail Lazarev. Future heroes of the defense of Sevastopol were also included in the crew: Lieutenant Pavel Nakhimov, Warrant Officer Vladimir Kornilov and Midshipman Vladimir Istomin.

In August-September 1826, the ship moved from Arkhangelsk to Kronstadt and soon, as part of the combined Anglo-French-Russian squadron, went to the Mediterranean Sea to assist Greece in the fight against the Turkish conquerors. October 20 The 1827 of the year hosted the Battle of Navarino, during which Azov fought five enemy ships. The heroic crew sank three frigates, one corvette and forced the Turkish flagship Muharem Bay to be thrown ashore.

But the victory was not cheap. During the battle on the Azov, all the masts and branches were broken, 153 counted holes in the hull (seven of them are below the waterline). The crew’s casualties were 24 killed and 67 injured.

By the decree of Emperor Nicholas I of 17 (December 29) 1827, for the first time in the history of the Russian fleet, the stern admiral George's flag was granted to the Azov "in honor of the commendable deeds of officers, courage and fearlessness of officers and courage of the lower ranks". It was also prescribed to always have the “Memory of Azov” ship in the fleet. The original Azov flag is currently on display at the Central Naval Museum.

CRUISER "VARYAG"



The XVUMX-grade Varyag armored cruiser was built in Philadelphia at the Crump and Sons shipyard. In 1, the St. Andrew's flag was raised on the ship. The cruiser turned out to be exceptionally beautiful and amazed contemporaries with perfection of proportions. In addition, during its construction many technical innovations were used: most of the mechanisms, including even the mixer in the bakery, received electric drives, installed telephone sets in almost all offices. To reduce the risk of fire all the furniture is made of metal. Varyag could develop a 1901 node speed high enough for its class.

Shortly after entry into service, the cruiser moved to Port Arthur. From the beginning of January 1904, he and the Koreyan gunboat were located in the neutral Korean port of Chemulpo at the disposal of the Russian embassy in Seoul. On February 8, a Japanese squadron under the command of Rear Admiral Sotokichi Uriu blocked the port and began to land. The next day, Varyag commander Vsevolod Rudnev received an ultimatum from the Japanese to leave the port, otherwise they threatened to attack the Russian ships right on the roadstead. The Russians decided to go to sea and try to break through to Port Arthur. However, passing close the fairway, "Varyag" could not use its main advantage - speed.

The fight lasted about an hour. The Japanese fired a total of 419 shells on Russian ships. The loss of the Varyag crew amounted to 130 people, including 33 killed. By the end of the battle, the cruiser had almost completely exhausted the ability to resist due to the failure of a significant number of guns, damage to the steering gears and the presence of several underwater holes that could not be corrected on its own. The crew was brought to neutral ships, and the cruiser, in order to avoid capture by the Japanese, flooded, opening the Kingston. Delighted by the feat of the Russian sailors, the Japanese government opened in Seoul a museum in memory of the heroes of the Varyag and awarded VF Rudnev Order of the Rising Sun. Returning to Russia, the crew members of the Varyag and Koreans met a triumphal reception.

In 1905, the Japanese raised the “Varyag” and introduced it into their fleet under the name “Soya”. In 1916, Russia bought it out, incorporating the Arctic Ocean flotilla. In February 1917 of the year, Varyag went to the UK for repairs. After the Soviet government refused to pay the tsar's debts, the British confiscated the ship and sold it for scrap. When towing for break-up in 1925, the Varyag sank in the Irish Sea.

THE ESSENTIAL "NOVIK"



Novik was designed and built with funds from the Special Committee on Strengthening the Fleet with Voluntary Donations. It became the first Russian-built destroyer equipped with a steam-turbine power plant with high-pressure oil-fired boilers.

On the 21 August 1913 sea trials, the ship reached a record speed in the 37,3 node. Another distinctive feature of the "Novik" was the powerful artillery and torpedo armament of the four 102-mm rapid-fire cannons of the Obukhov factory and the same number of twin-tube torpedo tubes.

The characteristics of the Novik were so successful that for slightly modified projects in Russia they laid the 53 ship of this type. By the beginning of the First World War, they were considered the best in their class.

4 August 1915, the "Novik" entered into battle with the two newest German destroyers V-99 and V-100. The well-aimed fire of the destroyer commanders inflicted serious damage on the German ships, and the V-99 hit the mines, rushed to the shore and was blown up by a crew two hours later. Novik itself was not injured in this battle and had no casualties.

Many destroyers of this type continued their service in the Soviet fleet, taking an active part in the Great Patriotic War. 26 August 1941 "Novik", while in the protection of the cruiser "Kirov", hit a mine and sank.
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 18 June 2016 06: 47
    +21
    Oh well...
    In my opinion, the brig "Mercury" among sailing ships is much more familiar than the three mentioned, and it makes no sense to talk about "Aurora" - and so everyone knows everything wink ... The Novik was the finest ship of its time, but it is only famous for being the ancestor of a large series of Russian destroyers. Even asking about the three famous steam ships, the reader will most likely remember the same "Varyag", "Aurora" and "Potemkin", but not the "destroyer" Novik request
    Personally, my opinion hi Minus...
    PS Often there are such ratings in which rating is determined solely by the author’s conclusions, but not by real and logical calculations. Everything is relative.
    1. Tibidokh
      Tibidokh 18 June 2016 07: 37
      +22
      Teperich rarely find the first comments on the article on the merits. Many try to write less, but faster, in order to be "above" everyone and pick up the pluses, although they have not even read the article. To you for the content + hi Although I do not agree with your opinion.
      The article is definitely a plus. Although the depth of the author’s study of the topic is not striking, but the fact that many will draw something for themselves from its content is already good.
      For me, the most legendary warship is the Krasin icebreaker. A great ship has served our country for 95 years! And let someone say that he is not a military man. Conducting polar convoys in the Second World War - isn’t this a military matter? Otherwise, the crew would not have been given the appropriate awards.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 18 June 2016 07: 51
        +5
        Then you need to remember his no less famous predecessor - the brainchild of S.O. Makarov, the icebreaker "Ermak" hi Moreover, "Krasin" is the direct successor of "Ermak" - it was built on the basis of the "Ermak" project and did not differ so much from it. Both had similar dimensions and almost identical appearance in earlier versions
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 18 June 2016 11: 57
          +5
          Let's add the icebreaking steamer "A. Sibiryakov", which was called the "polar" Varyag "". It's worth it ..
      2. dedBoroded
        dedBoroded 1 December 2016 16: 04
        +1
        I will allow myself to add. In this rating, one could mention the ACC "Commune". In service since 1909 and to this day!
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 18 June 2016 07: 49
      +9
      Welcome Andrew hi
      Quote: Rurikovich
      In my opinion, the Mercury brig is much more popular among sailing ships.

      Your truth, there were four ships and vessels named "Memory of Mercury" in the Russian and Soviet fleets! For some reason, the author ignored ships with the name "Slava", but the battleship "Slava" was the most famous Russian warship in the First World War.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 18 June 2016 08: 08
        +4
        Welcome hi Here I am about the same. Determining the celebrity of each individual ship is a very controversial thing and for many rating compilers it is very specific, taking into account the nationality and views of the authors. After all, you can judge the affairs of the ships, or you can also judge the characteristics along with the years of construction and the political system at that time. Or take one country as a whole and make a rating of the "celebrity" of ships of this country on the time scale (which, most likely, the author was request )
        Of course, with changes in the education system and the steady bringing of our children to the Western education system (read DEBT), such a rating will be useful. At least they will know that such ships existed lol
        After all, if we take the author's judgment, it would be worthwhile to include "Peter the Great", which is an battleship (even the British recognize it as an epoch-making at that time). The "Glory" you mentioned (representative of the largest series of battleships in Russia and a member of WWI). And about the Red Banner and Guards cruisers pr. 26 and 26bis in a compartment with the "Red Caucasus" is also worth mentioning.
        In short, everything is relative to ratings hi
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 19 June 2016 15: 16
        0
        True remark
    3. aiw
      aiw 18 June 2016 11: 10
      +4
      What Aurora are you on? About a cruiser or about a frigate? Both that and that went down in history ...

      Well, another leader is Tashkent. I’m not talking about post-war.

      For some reason, the author decided to confine himself to five famous ships ... did not give an assessment to the article.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 18 June 2016 13: 02
        +1
        Every cruiser will be known wink
    4. aleks700
      aleks700 18 June 2016 17: 50
      +3
      Potemkin and Aurora glorified themselves in rebellion. The Varangian, with all due respect, went to the enemy. Novik is a really outstanding ship with a glorious history.
    5. Revolver
      Revolver 18 June 2016 18: 36
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      but it makes no sense to talk about "Aurora" - and so everyone knows everything

      Yeah, the most destructive weapon of all time. Just one shot idle, and the whole country is in ruin.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 18 June 2016 07: 36
    +4
    Strange rating .. Why "INGERMANLAND" and not "Orel" is the first Russian sailing ship of the Western European type ..
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 18 June 2016 07: 41
      +4
      Because this is the opinion of the author of the rating wink
  3. Gvas1174
    Gvas1174 18 June 2016 08: 01
    +2
    For greater objectivity, it was worth expanding the range of "exhibits" twice, since the comments are more than fair. However, the article is not bad in itself.
  4. kvs207
    kvs207 18 June 2016 08: 07
    +8
    The ships that the Russian fleet was famous for are much more than 5.
  5. tasha
    tasha 18 June 2016 08: 29
    +3
    Now, if the article was called "five of the MOST famous ..." then you can argue about ratings, about the choice of the author. And so - good stuff. You can expand it to a great selection of articles "Russian Warships" or text for a set of postcards wink And include "Aurora", "Mercury", "Glory" and in general there ..

    Everything is fine.
  6. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 09: 14
    -6
    Hmmm. Okay with sailing ships, but "Varyag" and "Novik". What is the speed of the "Varyag" according to the conclusion of K.K. Is the warrior acceptable? “Varyag” had no chance of a breakthrough. "Novik" is a domestic destroyer of a new generation - I am lying on the grass, the Putilov plant, probably on my knees, has piled both boilers and turbines. The German "Volcano" designed and built it. Moreover, with a production reserve for a whole series. Would have taken something from the book: "Heroic Ships of the Russian and Soviet Navy". All young people would be more interesting.
  7. Victor Wolz
    Victor Wolz 18 June 2016 09: 38
    +1
    Yes Novik is a strange choice, if it was a cruiser participant in the Russian-Japanese war, then this would be more understandable. Well, all over the world they know Aurora. But the article is a plus, we must remember all the glorious ships of Russia!
  8. Verdun
    Verdun 18 June 2016 10: 38
    +5
    Alas, I gave the author a minus. The article is very superficial and full of many inaccuracies. Starting with the fact that "Ingermanland" was designed by Richard Cosenz, albeit with the participation of Peter I, and ending with the fact that at the time of the death of the destroyer Novik was called Yakov Sverdlov. At the same time, it is not clear on what basis the ships were selected. After all, one way or another, Eustathius, and Mercury, and Aurora and Empress Mary could be added to this list ... In general, it turned out to be a strange opus.
  9. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 18 June 2016 10: 40
    +1
    One could mention the brig Mercury and the sloops East and Peace.
  10. Retvizan
    Retvizan 18 June 2016 11: 17
    +2
    Celebrity is fame. I agree that here the average person will immediately have -Aurora, Varyag, Mercury, Rurik and maybe someone will remember "Paris" and someone "Three Saints", someone Glory, someone Marat or "Oktyabrina", someone "Nezamozhnika ", and someone is" Tashkent "and so on.
    On a global scale, I think with the fame of Aurora and Varyag there is no doubt.
    In general, then the article, judging by the content, should be called- Signed ships of the eras,
  11. Vladislav 73
    Vladislav 73 18 June 2016 11: 32
    +4
    Personally, my opinion, if from the famous, the brig "Mercury" and EBR (from 1907-LK) "Glory" is better known than many listed in the article. I would add the armored cruiser "Rurik", whose heroic death in the battle in the Korean Strait is probably more abruptly than the battle "Varyag" will be, but not so publicized. request In general, ratings are subjective and, in general, ungrateful. IMHO.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 19 June 2016 15: 31
      0
      Indeed, there were other worthy ships, but they either did not know about them or they approached for ideological reasons. And about the death of "Rurik", as in general about Tsushima, we know little (to my shame, too little I know). The article is of course a little bit perverse, but thanks to the author
  12. serverny
    serverny 18 June 2016 11: 53
    +4
    Quote: Rurikovich
    brig "Mercury"

    For this omission alone, the article deserves a minus. A very strange "top 5" in many positions.
  13. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 12: 01
    -4
    Quote: Vladislav 73
    . I would add the armored cruiser "Rurik", whose heroic death in the battle in the Korean Strait will probably be more abrupt than the battle of the "Varyag", but not so publicized.

    Tell me, what do you see heroic? Jessen's template actions? Twice I was lucky, the third I got it. Knowing that the speed of the Azuma is -20 knots, and the Rurik's is -17, knowing that you have main battery artillery, it is practically defenseless, knowing that the enemy on the pursuit course will fire from 8-8 "guns in twin turrets behind armor while maneuvering and from 16-8 ". Well, I would put it mildly not the most successful planning of the operation. However, a topic for discussion.
    Well, about "Glory" - whole monographs have been written. Also a little heroism - in Tsushima they received an order of magnitude more hits with a caliber of 12 ". Lack of BZZH.
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 18 June 2016 12: 11
      +4
      "Glory" is never from a word at all !!! did not participate in Tsushima !!! belay
      not the most successful operation planning.
      Absolutely irresponsible planning - send a detachment of cruisers into utter obscurity-type to meet Arthur squadron request And here is not a demand from Jessen, but from those who sent him. And what do you think he should have done? To lower the flag in view of all the conditions that you brought? Well, this is not for me, this is for "Rain", "Echo "and other tovarischas who reasoned that it was necessary, for example, to surrender Leningrad! belay I have already written that for me the fight of "Rurik" in hopeless conditions is an unconditional feat! And for you, apparently not? request
    2. 27091965
      27091965 18 June 2016 15: 30
      0
      Quote: 25ru
      Two times lucky, on the third - hit


      What is the fault of Jessen KP, and if the Port Arthur squadron broke through? Everyone would say what a good plan. Three battle-worthy cruisers reinforced the squadron.
      1. 25ru
        25ru 18 June 2016 16: 54
        -3
        Yah ? Three raiders, without any chance to fight in a linear battle with British or French "defenders". Which they showed by fighting in a ratio of 3: 4 and screwing up the match in touch. Who wants to argue? Sunk "Rurik", disabled: "Russia" and "Thunderstorm" (for a period of 8-12 months), disabled by the navigation accident of the Bogatyr missile-launching vehicle. What's left of the WOK? Well, about ... 000 Is that a secret?
    3. Verdun
      Verdun 18 June 2016 17: 41
      0
      Quote: 25ru
      fire from 8-8 "guns in twin turrets behind the armor,

      What is this all about? Are you sure that you are writing about the same "Rurik" that died in the Korea Strait? What other "Tower Sparks"? The main caliber guns - four 203 mm guns - were installed on Rurik in reserved sponsons.
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 June 2016 01: 18
      +1
      Quote: 25ru
      Well, about "Glory" - whole monographs have been written. Also a little heroism - in Tsushima they received an order of magnitude more hits with a 12 "caliber

      Just no words. What do you, Japanese and German shells equal? ​​!!!
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  14. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 12: 26
    -1
    Quote: Vladislav 73
    I have already written that for me the fight of "Rurik" in hopeless conditions is an unconditional feat! And for you, apparently not? request

    Did I say that "Glory" was in Tsushima? It was planned - yes. Three hits, one of them critical? And caperang Andreev says that everything is sushi oars? Why was there a fence about a battle at a mine-artillery position?
    About "Rurik" - I emphasize: an error in the planning of the operation. "Russia" and "Thunderbolt" covered the wounded animal, to the last. I agree with you. The perpetrators of the loss of the ship are Alekseev and Skrydlov. Facts are stubborn things. After this battle in Vladivostok there were battered "Russia", "Thunderbolt" and "Bogatyr" with a ripped bottom in the dock.
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 18 June 2016 13: 16
      0
      Okay, I won’t argue with you. The criteria and ratings are a lot of subjective, I wrote there above. But still:
      Tell me, what do you see as heroic? Jessen's patterned actions?
      Your statement. And who in Jessen's place would have done more? Let him not Ushakov with his non-standard tactical moves, but ... what? Or accept the battle and try to save the detachment, or surrender. Like Nebogatov. Like Stroinikov with "Raphael" in three days before the battle of “Mercury.” I think the parallels are clear?
      Quote: 25ru
      About "Rurik" - I emphasize: an error in planning an operation

      In a war, an error is equal to a crime. Because they pay their lives for it. But then ... they almost went to the haste .... the headquarters governor sent some vague instructions. It’s not worthless. Crime. Sent in fact for slaughter. And why Fleet Commander Skrydlov did not lead how the operation should be, going towards his fleet? To have a scapegoat?
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      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 June 2016 01: 24
        +2
        Jessen has three mistakes.
        1) Poorly trained artillerymen (frankly poorly shot back)
        2) In the beginning of the battle, instead of going east (to stand between the sun and Kamimura), he was put under enfilade fire
        3) There was no need to put "Rurik" at the end - the weakest cruiser should be placed in the middle.
        For the rest, he fought more than worthily, trying to cover the "Rurik" to the last.
    2. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 18 June 2016 13: 20
      0
      Well, about "Glory" - whole monographs have been written. Also a little heroism - in Tsushima they received an order of magnitude more hits with a caliber of 12 ". Lack of BZZH.
      The statement is so constructed that it reads as if "Glory" was there.
  15. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 12: 41
    0
    "" Rurik "was the first" - RM Melnikov L .: Shipbuilding, 1989. Stands on the shelf. WOK operations are on the brink of insanity. Three cruisers-raiders, with deliberately weakened armor and poor placement of the main battery artillery, against a fast armored "wing" of the same type of units.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 June 2016 01: 26
      0
      Quote: 25ru
      EQA operations - on the verge of insanity

      Nevertheless, they fought more than worthy, and if there was adequate training for the commandants and effective shells, I would have sympathized with Kamimura
  16. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 13: 04
    -2
    And another nuance. With the speed advantage, you command both distance and heading angles. Jessen didn't understand? You have to be round, uh ... inadequate, so that after 10 years, faced with the LKR "Goeben" at the Black Sea theater of operations, Erbenhardt would start thinking.
  17. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 13: 32
    0
    Quote: Vladislav 73
    In war, a mistake is equal to a crime. Because they pay for it with life. And then ... they almost went to the chance .... the headquarters governor sent some vague instructions. It’s not worthless. Crime.

    It's hard to disagree. Why did they give Jessen shoulder straps? There were destroyers, there was the Lena WRC, which could provide refueling of destroyers with coal. So as Vitgeft in front of Alekseev? "To think, the commander must think" (p.)
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 18 June 2016 14: 24
      +2
      The commander is first of all obliged to execute the order (well, the reservation is about a deliberately criminal .... request ) Witgeft is appointed as the acting commander of the non-fleet! and a squadron! by order of the governor, with appropriate subordination. Skrydlov was appointed commander of the fleet! with an appropriate rescript. What is Jessen supposed to think? Just the head of a separate detachment of cruisers of the Pacific squadron? Only obey the order. Or submit a resignation report.
      1. 25ru
        25ru 18 June 2016 14: 34
        -1
        Vladislav, do you really want a discussion? Or is your goal simply to imply that Russia is the homeland of elephants? I have time today. I can also give extracts from the reports of Andreyev and Trukhachev about "Glory". And I will look for Jessen upon arrival in Vladivostok.
        1. Vladislav 73
          Vladislav 73 18 June 2016 22: 57
          +1
          And you need to prove that since the ship was sunk, there was no feat? Like, didn’t cause the hostility equal losses? That is. in your opinion, duty, honor, conscience are unnecessary concepts, since they cannot be expressed in material values? Well then, really, there’s nothing to talk about! So all the best! Yes, about Andreyev and Trukhachev, it was more interesting for me to read Bakhirev. Which vice Admiral. Okay, bye! hi
  18. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 14: 05
    +4
    Well, such a rating as:
    1. Brig "Mercury"
    2. Steam frigate "Vladimir"
    3. Battleship "Azov"
    4. Destroyer "Guarding"
    5. Destroyer "Thundering"
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 18 June 2016 14: 30
      +2
      Worthy. But all the same, IMHO, I would consider "Rurik" and also the coastal defense battleship "Admiral Ushakov", commander Kaperang Vladimir Nikolaevich Miklukh (Maclay was added later, by analogy with the older brother-traveler).
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 19 June 2016 15: 41
      0
      Decent rating!
  19. 25ru
    25ru 18 June 2016 14: 44
    -1
    Well, what feats did the BBO "Admiral Ushakov" have? The ship was damaged, violating the principle of unsinkability. The artillery of the Main Committee was shot "to zero" (the Main Committee had already fired into the white light). It was attacked by Iwate and Yakumo ballistic missiles. According to Japanese data, the battle took 34 minutes. The Japanese confirmed the number of hits by the main battery -2. The losses of the battleship's crew are known.
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 18 June 2016 22: 38
      +1
      Well, I already said, everyone has their own criteria for heroism. Someone has drowned whom and for how much. Someone has heroism, duty, honor ... By the way, I don’t remember any special feats for “Vladimir”. and for "Thundering", but this is according to my criteria. But "Rurik", "Ushakov" are on a par with "Guarding". But one is worthy of memory in your opinion, and the others are not. Strange, don't you think? request
  20. Kenneth
    Kenneth 18 June 2016 18: 04
    +1
    Wildly sorry but what does the Varangian. Buildings not Russian, did not win victories.
  21. Kenneth
    Kenneth 18 June 2016 18: 09
    +1
    I would add PL-13 Marinesco. Our construction, success is obvious
  22. masiya
    masiya 18 June 2016 18: 14
    +1
    There is no need to organize a competition for the best ship of the domestic fleet, this will not objectively reflect the contribution of this or that ship to military operations at one time or another, but specifically at what time and at what stage, this is another matter, and the "best" criterion is strange itself by oneself. EVERYONE tried to be the BEST in their time, or maybe we had other tendencies and moods in the fleet ...
  23. kerosene
    kerosene 18 June 2016 18: 14
    +1
    But what about “Rurik”, “Russia” and “Thunderbolt?” Why did they forget the heroes of the Russian-Japanese war?
  24. dvg1959
    dvg1959 18 June 2016 22: 02
    +1
    The history of the Russian fleet is a very interesting and patriotic topic.
    It needs to be covered and known in more detail.
    Useful especially for the younger generation, as The history of the Russian fleet is rich in outstanding events, glorifies our Power.
  25. maverick3232
    maverick3232 18 June 2016 23: 58
    0
    Doubts about the Varyag. It was not built with us, the project is quite outdated constructively. The feat of course DA Pro St. Paul did not hear much. Ingermanland and Novik breakthrough ships.
  26. dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 19 June 2016 20: 20
    -1
    I would not forget about Aurora - certainly no less famous ship than the LINEAR SHIP "INGERMANLAND"
  27. potapych
    potapych 20 June 2016 11: 57
    0
    have something to be proud of
  28. sds127
    sds127 24 July 2017 00: 45
    0
    hmm ... everyone has their own rating. mine (all IMHO and this too) - "Azov" (battleship), Mercury "(brig)," Novik "
    (cruiser), "Varangian" (cruiser), "Kuznetsov" (TAVRK).
    ..this is if the military ... but if, in general, still the barque Kruzenshtern (Padova) and k-21 (Pl)