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The gun "boa" will pass state tests in the current year

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The gun of the new generation "Boa" is preparing for state tests, which should be completed before the end of this year, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta With reference to the general director of TsNIItochmash Dmitry Semizorov.

The gun "boa" will pass state tests in the current year
Serdyukov Pistol CP1M

"Work on the perspective gun" Boa "in the final stage. The preliminary tests have been completed, the deficiencies identified during them are being eliminated and samples are being prepared for state tests. ”
said Semizorov.

Weapon designed for cartridge 9х21 mm and should be replaced in the future pistols Makarov and Yarygin.

“The characteristics of the pistol are classified. It is only known that the shop "Boa" is designed for eighteen rounds. It is adapted for equipping with a laser target designator, a collimator and a flashlight, ”the newspaper writes.

Russian gunsmith Peter Serdyukov is working on a pistol. “Actually, the Boa is a development of Serdiukov’s own self-loading pistol (SPS), also known as Gyurza,” he said.

Gyurza is used by special forces of the Federal Security Service, the Interior Ministry and the Federal Security Service. Its sighting range is 100 m. A bullet fired from a pistol pierces a 50 class bulletproof vest with 3-m.

However, according to Semizorov, "" Boa "will surpass all existing analogues by its characteristics."
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  1. Irokez
    Irokez 17 June 2016 13: 22
    +8
    Serdyukov does not mean bad. Everything is relative. And by the way, we only know about that other only from the press and the negativity in it, and who thought about what positive (hidden) role he made? The Moor is also needed and everyone uses them.
    1. A-Sim
      A-Sim 17 June 2016 13: 24
      +29
      This is another Serdyukov (not Onotolei). Russia is rich in talents.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 17 June 2016 13: 57
        +7
        Quote: A-Sim
        This is another Serdyukov (not Onotole)

        When I saw the phrase "Serdyukov's pistol" - he shuddered. Hopefully not a relative. As for the actual development of a new pistol, until you hold it in your hands and shoot, it is very difficult to form an opinion about the weapon. And the choice of preferences is a purely personal matter. The same PM, judging by the performance characteristics, is quite a decent pistol. And in my opinion - UG ...
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        5. Now we are free
          Now we are free 17 June 2016 14: 57
          +58
          The weapon is designed for 9x21 mm cartridge and should replace in the future pistols Makarov and Yarygin.
          FINALLY!!! To make innovative pistols based on the "Enemy" 9 * 19 from which NATO members themselves are rejecting in favor of more promising calibers (ammunition) is idiocy bordering on sabotage and stupidity ... Finally, someone clever and far-sighted made the decision to make the pistol system itself around the beautiful DOMESTIC ammunition 9 * 21 possessing both excellent armor-piercing and stopping action.
          Russian gunsmith Pyotr Serdyukov is working on the pistol. "Actually" Boa "is a development of the Serdyukov self-loading pistol (SPS) created by him earlier, also known as "Gyurza" ", - the publication specifies.

          ATP is a very successful gun but there are a number of drawbacks (albeit not significant) like:
          in the back of the pistol grip there is a pressure safety catch (when the palm grips the grip), which strikes directly into the center of the palm during firing. During intense shooting, the hand just goes numb ... The absence of Picatinny rails on the ATP (yes, yes, I know that we are not chasing "Western glamor"), but sometimes it is for the convenience and versatility of the LCU, flashlight, collimator, etc. very, very helpful saving time and hence saving the owner's life ...

          In the photo itself (I'm not afraid of this word) UMNITSA - Pyotr Ivanovich Serdyukov with his brainchild, the SPS pistol.

          P.S. Probably already known to the whole world: "VAL" and "Vintorez" are also by the way his brainchild ...


          P.P.S.
          I ask you not to confuse Pyotr Ivanovich with his namesake (unfortunately) "Storetkin"!
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 17 June 2016 15: 09
            +6
            The gun "boa" will pass state tests in the current year

            I’m interested in one question! For about 10 years there has been a debate about what kind of pistol the Russian army needs. An automatic machine and a sniper rifle are also a concern. But it’s hard for a normal person to understand everything that’s happening. I just want to see in the end the main pistol, machine gun, RF sniper rifle. Or just print a list of Russian small arms. Just to know for yourself what we have in service.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 17 June 2016 19: 01
            +14
            Now we r free

            For a pistol, the presence of picotini bars is more a minus than a plus. The pistol must not have sharp corners. If someone needs to hang a pistol with flashlights, laser points, red pillboxes and sniper 12 red sights, well, a "deep pocket" to help him.

            And yes. The fuse on the back of the "thing in itself" handle can be of character. When firing while holding the pistol with both hands. The left, not the main hand, controls the pistol, and the right, right-handed hand, pulls the trigger. So if the descent is lightweight, as athletes like it, then the rear safety catch will not receive the necessary pressure and the pistol will not fire. Not a nice thing.
            1. fennekRUS
              fennekRUS 18 June 2016 14: 36
              +5
              The keys are not visible on the local photos. And according to the "piccatines" - the machine was clearly "sharpened" to be worn under clothes - licked, with smoothed corners. Nafig to plant on such a voluntary "burdock"? The bar can also be fitted on a special version.
            2. tracer
              tracer 18 June 2016 16: 03
              +1
              To be honest, I don't understand well at all what could be better than a "striker"? I think that something better than this design (relatively new by the way) is unlikely to be invented in the future. The advantages of the "striker" are so obvious that it is not entirely clear why it was necessary to fence the garden with all the fuses and switches. In my opinion, the Kalashnikovites are walking ahead with their new pistol. I don't know if they made it in 9/21 caliber. Probably done. But they probably experience little information. And to be honest, the gun in the photo looks ....... Not really.
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          3. dr.star75
            dr.star75 17 June 2016 21: 10
            .
            Come on! Maybe enough to engage in masturbation, and exclude pistols from equipping officers, as before daggers?
            1. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 17 June 2016 21: 28
              +6
              Quote: dr.star75
              exclude pistols from equipment

              not allowed. this is the last frontier of defense
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 17 June 2016 22: 05
                -3
                The last frontier of defense before what? Do you know how the firing from the PM occurs?
          4. smershxnumx
            smershxnumx 17 June 2016 22: 37
            0
            Someone "used" this "device" ??? Unsubscribe !!! What-how much ??? Very interesting!!! What's better, worse than any pistol ??? Very interesting...
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 18 June 2016 00: 44
              +1
              Quote: smerx24
              Someone "used" this "device" ??? Unsubscribe !!! What-how much ??? Very interesting!!! What's better, worse than any pistol ??? Very interesting...

              gyurza (CP1) is not a very bad trunk (sews through the entire hood, including the engine), those who wish can try on the special. Moscow’s tiers, but what CP1M is most likely the first to know is the FSB / FSO SPn (in short, the committee).
              although the GS-18 impresses me more, while I read reviews on various sites, including the Hansa, how the GS turned out to be a riddle for the cops — a riddle, there, at one time, the lady wrote how she broke two nails during reloading and was of the opinion that PM - a pistol of all time.
              1. Slug_BDMP
                Slug_BDMP 19 June 2016 11: 11
                +6
                Quote: PSih2097
                PM - a pistol of all times and peoples

                In our shooting club (Germany, Saxony) there are a lot of policemen. They fiercely hate their service HC P7. For those who are older, who started the service even in the GDR, there is no gun better than Makarov. Almost everyone has a personal PM.
            2. Max T.
              Max T. 19 June 2016 00: 38
              +6
              The pistol fits perfectly in the hand. As in any person. The descent is soft. Recharging thanks to the device is simple, it is not necessary to remove from the delay as PM and PY. when a new magazine is inserted, the delay is reset itself. THOSE. put the magazine on hold and the pistol loaded itself. when shooting, there is no large toss due to the weight. the flexibility is excellent, the pistol does not leave the line of sight. unfortunately there are only 2 "VECTORS" in the squadron. The thing is super.
          5. twviewer
            twviewer 20 June 2016 13: 22
            0

            the video is a little pinched, but meaningful
        6. gladcu2
          gladcu2 17 June 2016 18: 46
          +2
          Verdun

          And I will try to create an opinion about the pistol only by its appearance. This is not difficult. Because the purpose of the pistol as a whole depends on its appearance, and not in the "secret" characteristics. What can be classified? Rate of fire? Cartridge power? Store capacity? Even if there is not a significant difference in one direction or another, what strategic value could it have? Why strategic? Because for the army already and still quite enough PM or PMM. And for special troops, a choice of other models, including foreign ones, is generally sufficient. Since the special naz cannot be considered an army due to the small number of these specialists.

          So what can we say about the gun in appearance. Pleasant, comfortable, typical army size. For service weapons is too big. Can be used as a sporting weapon in newfangled shootouts. The shape of the gun is licked, not angular, pleasant. Collectors will like it.

          What could be secret?
        7. leshiy076
          leshiy076 17 June 2016 21: 57
          +2
          Quote: Verdun
          When I saw the phrase "Serdyukov's pistol" - he shuddered. Hopefully not a relative.

          Serdyukov’s pistol appeared much earlier than Taburetkin.
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      3. PKK
        PKK 18 June 2016 22: 24
        +4
        And why didn’t you like that Serdyukov? Redirected cash flows to the Army. Ships began to go, Aviation, including the long-range one flew. Many new weapons appeared. And all this a month after Kuzhugetovich’s intercession. Did Shoigu fix all this in a month?
    2. marlin1203
      marlin1203 17 June 2016 14: 31
      0
      Now it seems like ceramic frames are in fashion ... interestingly applied or not?
    3. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 17 June 2016 14: 34
      +19
      Its aiming range is 100 m.


      Whoever fired a pistol at least once understands that 100m for a pistol is more of a technical specification, not an aiming range. I would talk about 30 meters, sighting range. For any gun.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 17 June 2016 15: 28
        .
        It also says "having no analogue in the world" laughing
        1. Hon
          Hon 17 June 2016 17: 21
          +2
          Quote: Igor39
          It also says "having no analogue in the world"

          and classified characteristics. it's a gun, what’s the secret in it, the ability to knock out tanks?
      2. Verdun
        Verdun 17 June 2016 15: 36
        +4
        Quote: Ramzaj99
        Whoever fired a pistol at least once understands that 100m for a pistol is more of a technical specification, not an aiming range

        Pistol shooting is a purely individual matter. My father at one time was the champion among students of Leningrad in shooting from small things, but from a pistol he did not rise above third place. To my question - why is this so - answered that for the mark of pistol shooting you need to have a certain physiology. in particular, be able to hold the heartbeat.
      3. zennon
        zennon 17 June 2016 17: 40
        +6
        Quote: Ramzaj99
        Whoever fired a pistol at least once understands that 100m for a pistol is more of a technical specification, not an aiming range. I would talk about 30 meters, sighting range. For any gun.

        C'mon! They show in the movies how a dashing opera from about twenty meters hits the forehead of a criminal hiding behind a frightened girl. He can do this at least a hundred times, right Roman? laughing
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 17 June 2016 22: 31
          +11
          Quote: zennon
          There they show in the movies how a dashing opera from about twenty meters hits the forehead of a criminal hiding behind a frightened girl. He can do this at least a hundred times,

          From personal experience I can say that if you shoot from a "PM", especially from someone else's, then no girls will be enough. It takes a long time to get used to each specific "Makarov". And so, of course, he shoots reliably. To understand where else ... And the replacement of this "superweapon" has been needed for a long time.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 20 June 2016 10: 15
            0
            Colleague, I fully support. In the army, in addition to the AK-74S, there were personal PMs. I remember my number IE1312. If they fired from AK, then the "grandfathers" took the submachine guns of those who were younger, so as not to clean their own later. And they fired normally. But the PM is a "tricky" thing, "loves only one hands." You have to get used to the PM, "get along" with him, know what kind of fight he is.
      4. nrex
        nrex 17 June 2016 18: 08
        +1
        In the case of the PM pistol, the aiming range is practically the same as the destructive power. For example, TTs are positioned with an aiming range of 50 m. In "Volyny" type "Boa" GSh-18, etc. with a reinforced cartridge, consider 100 m of sighting range equal to destructive power.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 17 June 2016 22: 12
          +2
          Here you have porridge in your head! belay
      5. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 17 June 2016 18: 22
        +3
        Quote: Ramzaj99
        I would talk about 30 meters, sighting range. For any gun.

        50m is quite real ... Even for PM.
        1. vv3
          vv3 17 June 2016 18: 32
          +8
          Have you really tried with PM at 50m, storyteller ...
          1. Prapor-527
            Prapor-527 1 July 2016 19: 52
            +1
            Guys, I'm not a storyteller - I'm a retired police ensign. You need to practice shooting ...
        2. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 17 June 2016 21: 33
          +3
          Quote: Prapor-527
          50m is quite real ... Even for PM.

          yeah. only a bullet rushes completely off target.
          1. Prapor-527
            Prapor-527 1 July 2016 19: 56
            0
            Well, with clumsy hands, and slanting eyes, a bullet and from 10 meters rushes wherever she wants.
        3. dr.star75
          dr.star75 17 June 2016 22: 18
          +1
          "50m is quite real ... Even for PM." - where? in the barn? belay
          1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
            Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 17 June 2016 22: 32
            +7
            You can’t do it yourself, don’t speak for everyone else. To get from the PM to the thoracic target even on the go is a very real thing (from personal experience)
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 18 June 2016 13: 39
              0
              Yes? and at what distance? Really from 50m yes to a moving target, yes to dozens ...? Maybe put it out for colleagues for review. Well, to understand that they’re getting classy in vain!
              1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
                Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 18 June 2016 23: 41
                +4
                No need to juggle. On the go to a standard chest target from a distance of 50 meters. And With this exercise, not dozens but hits were taken into account. And on a moving target from 50 meters ... PM is still not an automatic machine.
          2. Prapor-527
            Prapor-527 1 July 2016 20: 00
            0
            3 out of 8 in M2a ...
      6. tracer
        tracer 18 June 2016 16: 09
        +1
        Well, why so. It’s quite possible to shoot at 100 meters. The truth is impossible to get. A normal average shooter shoots using sights that are simply not designed for such ranges. Reflex shooting is a different song, there is a completely different one and aiming is not used.
    4. quote
      quote 17 June 2016 18: 57
      -7
      Quote: Irokez
      Serdyukov does not mean bad. Everything is relative. And by the way, we only know about that other only from the press and the negativity in it, and who thought about what positive (hidden) role he made? The Moor is also needed and everyone uses them.
      Rave!!! With six pluses!
      Get high, get high!
      No further words!
    5. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 17 June 2016 20: 31
      +4
      In the city of Tomsk there was a Military Medical Academy and a hospital with the latest anti-burn equipment, which was 5 years old ... and now they are chasing homeless people in these buildings. Here you have a hidden role, dear!
    6. derik1970
      derik1970 18 June 2016 22: 54
      0
      Wow, yes, if you and Yeltsin and Gorbachev think so, they are just golden people. These Moors did so much for the country that it would be better if they did nothing and did not die and die so many people in the country, there would be no homeless people, street children and orphans, there would be no devastation in the country. That really we have to say thanks to all of them, including Serdyukov-stool. Well, in principle, yes, everything is relative, if you personally are well settled then what can I say, just do not care about the milestones of the rest.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 17 June 2016 13: 23
    +4
    "It is adapted to be equipped with a laser designator, collimator and flashlight."

    What I do not see attachment points. request
    1. iConst
      iConst 17 June 2016 13: 30
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      What I do not see attachment points.

      - Duc signed the same - SPS / SR-1 Vector / Gyurza. Not a boa constrictor.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 17 June 2016 13: 31
        0
        Quote: iConst
        Duc signed the same - ATP / SR-1 Vector / Gyurza. Not a boa constrictor.

        Yes, sorry, do not understand. recourse
    2. tchack
      tchack 17 June 2016 13: 39
      0


      A boa constrictor like this gun.
    3. Skubudu
      Skubudu 17 June 2016 14: 04
      0
      What do they mean by "new generation pistol"?
      The high location of the axis of the bore + powerful 9x21 = excessive recoil, not the ability to conduct rapid aimed fire.
  3. Andrey K
    Andrey K 17 June 2016 13: 26
    +5
    The weapon is designed for a 9x21 mm cartridge and should replace in the future Makarov and Yarygin pistols...
    I don't know how about the replacement ... But supposedly the "Boa constrictor" in the photo, not even something, but capitally resembles "Gyurza" ...
    I dealt with "Gyurza". Although, judging by the phrase: The characteristics of the gun are classified... I probably shouldn't have questions ... request
    In the photo for the article, the pistol "Vector" ("Gyurza"), as the author of the article can see, due to the "secrecy of the product" had to fill in the image of what was in stock ... yes
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 20 June 2016 10: 17
      0
      Quote: Andrey K
      I had to fill in the image of what is available ...

      there is no information on the boa constrictor. except for a number of similar statues. Neither photo nor video. It’s even strange. We will look further.
  4. soroKING
    soroKING 17 June 2016 13: 32
    +2
    gyurza stings, but a boa constrictor ...? what
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 17 June 2016 13: 35
      +4
      Quote: soroKING
      gyurza stings

      Do snakes have a sting? belay
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 June 2016 14: 30
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Do snakes have a sting?

        Not everyone.

        Snakes usually have teeth.

        But then - for sure - every snake has an ass laughing

        Something like that ... by the way, the viper on the rod over the fire is really a song yes
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 17 June 2016 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: soroKING
      gyurza stings, but a boa constrictor ...? what

      crushes
    3. 3officer
      3officer 17 June 2016 13: 59
      +13
      Quote: soroKING
      gyurza stings, but a boa constrictor ...? what



      Friends with Mowgli and "loves" Banderlogov laughing
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 17 June 2016 21: 53
        +3
        Quote: 3officer
        Friends with Mowgli and "loves" Banderlogov

        And to those with whom he is "of the same blood" - wishes "successful hunt"! yes
        On business. Magazine for 18 rounds - you can shoot in short bursts, like from a "Stechkin". And this puts pressure on the psyche: maybe a submachine gun can be imagined in fright. In addition to the fire, the enemy receives a psychological blow.
        But in general, it seems to me, we need to take into account the experience of the Second World War: both the PPSh / PPD and the famous TT under the same cartridge were made. IMHO.
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 17 June 2016 22: 25
          +2
          Well, it’s not so simple here, there are three types of PP alone, for example, the ultrasound line covers all three micro ultrasounds, mini ultrasounds and simply ultrasounds, i.e. we start with hidden wear items and end with assault items, the intermediate option is to occupy the middle niche cleanly, sometimes they are called defensive items because often they are equipped with crews of equipment and those who are not allowed normal offensive weapons.
          with pistols, too, is not so simple, took one and rejoice. There are also difficulties. An army pistol needs to hit targets in the Siberian Sea, and a militia pistol must have a high stopping effect in order to knock an enemy down with rubber bullets, there are still a lot of nuances, so it's not so simple. Here it’s time to talk about the weapons system as a whole, otherwise we won’t see the order in this.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 June 2016 13: 36
    +7
    In the photo - "Gyurza", or rather, SPS. A very powerful cartridge, and the pistol, according to rumors, could hardly shoot 3000. Although TTs during the war generally had a spare barrel in their packaging ... God grant that Russia also has such a pistol, from which 100 meters into the chest figure, and that the world was envious. With the highest reliability of Russian army weapons. I will be glad. Although, for its part, if GSh-18 was not made by the "rocket" office, it would be a masterpiece. And so - an excellent pistol is frankly badly done.
    1. MACCABI-TLV
      MACCABI-TLV 17 June 2016 13: 51
      -7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      God forbid that in Russia there was such a pistol, from which 100 meters into a chest figure, and that the world was envious.

      stop Are you serious ?
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 17 June 2016 14: 46
        +4
        Quote: MACCABI-TLV
        Are you serious ?


        Well, not from a hundred ... well, into the tank ... Azovec, I think, will break through fellow
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      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 17 June 2016 15: 16
        +1
        Quote: MACCABI-TLV
        Are you serious ?

        Monsieur knows a lot about perversions. ©

        But by the way ... there is one option: smile
  6. Slon1978
    Slon1978 17 June 2016 13: 41
    +1
    Descent of course on Gyurza at a somewhat strange angle ... and the trigger travel, most likely, is considerable. On the whole, of course, it gives off condosity from this product, such cast iron. Judging by the fact that "The boa constrictor is a development of the Serdyukov self-loading pistol (SPS), which he created earlier," and the unusually large store capacity, it is most likely that Gyurza was simply rearranged and weighed with the now fashionable Viver or Picatinny rails.
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  8. VP
    VP 17 June 2016 13: 41
    +3
    Honestly, there is little interest in what they will release in limited batches for special forces of the FSB or FSO.
    I suspect that there is a decent zoo even without the "Boa".
    And the army with macaroons ...
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 17 June 2016 14: 20
      +2
      And the army with macaroons ...


      That's right, but I don’t see a problem. Not a weapon does the shooter. From that, personal weapons are an attribute of the shooter. It’s important for a person, he is a shooter, there is an opportunity to choose. To make a gun good for everyone, which will make a master out of lemon, will fail.
    2. gringo
      gringo 17 June 2016 14: 36
      +2
      The army is gradually being transferred to PY, I've already seen a lot where
    3. Old
      Old 18 June 2016 13: 30
      +2
      Army with Makars ... I agree. 100% Generals also think so. THE ARMY DOES NOT WAR AT GUNS.
      And PM is a reliable, and already worthless gun. It and ammunition will last for another 50 years. So this is creativity by the name of creativity. A gun is good for specialists. Health to the designer.
  9. Nehist
    Nehist 17 June 2016 13: 56
    +3
    Over the past 30 years, they have been designed so much, but not a single one is mass-produced unfortunately, but what about the need for the army another gun in exchange for PM talks have been going on for about 50 years, and things are still there
    1. Trigger-Happy
      Trigger-Happy 17 June 2016 14: 01
      +2
      And where is the order from the Ministry of Defense? There will be an order, there will be a gun .... and conversations can go on forever.
  10. bad
    bad 17 June 2016 14: 03
    0
    . damn the video on the boa constrictor no .. only this with a goog translation .. and almost no photo .. repeat
  11. family tree
    family tree 17 June 2016 14: 09
    -1
    Xs, the staff Makar was, in person, as Vovk said, and so on a short knife does not need to be charged, but for a kilometer, two cartridges with SVD were enough, as amended
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 17 June 2016 14: 24
      +3
      and per kilometer, two cartridges with SVD were enough, as amended


      laughing Twenty-five again, so it’s not enough for you two per km, take all ten, one will correct the other. And so until sunset ... gee-gee-gee.
      1. family tree
        family tree 17 June 2016 17: 53
        0
        Well, maybe it’s not enough for me, but Sanka Smirnov was enough. Well, maybe a little less than km, or maybe more, but I didn’t count a couple of steps what
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 17 June 2016 20: 52
          0
          Well, maybe it’s not enough for me, but Sanka Smirnov was enough.


          Komrad, do not drink the proverb with a Russian, I rephrased, do not drink with a sniper smile In a past life we ​​experimented, put Swarovsky’s trophy on the SVD, well, 600 meters as if spoken, you just understand that it’s flying to that steppe. I don’t argue which robbingood, blackened by gunpowder, recognizes the sweetheart by its gait, and where it deviates into that steppe by the dial. But the solo program today is more exotic, and if you, or Shura there, tell the assault group that you will cover them with km or plus or minus ...... they will beat! laughing Well, with a friendly location, no offense hi
          1. family tree
            family tree 17 June 2016 21: 09
            +1
            So Sanya was Robingood, behind the river, he has a KO-44, the same cartridge what
  12. senima56
    senima56 17 June 2016 14: 18
    +20
    Oh! Yes, we don’t need the "best in the world" pistol! Make it NORMAL, which will be liked by the army and the police! And then what they just did not "invent": and PYa, and GSh-18, and "Strizh", and PL-14 .... all were "unparalleled and the best in the world." And how did it end? Everybody knows! So let's make a modern pistol and everyone will be happy about this event!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 June 2016 14: 27
      +5
      Quote: senima56
      Make NORMAL, which will be liked by the army and police!

      And it happens?
      CSKA forever want a more powerful gun to bullet rail along pierced the body armor plate.
      And the police, on the contrary, want something easier (because they need to carry it on themselves all day), and so that they do not have to unsubscribe - why, when shooting at the detainee, the bullet that hit him pierced a couple more people. At the same time, the cops "work" with their weapons, mainly at a distance of no more than 10-12 m.
      1. gringo
        gringo 17 June 2016 14: 40
        +1
        so the Ministry of Internal Affairs let PM go what for them other baking. ATP is a good gun, at least for the army.
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 17 June 2016 22: 13
          +1
          . MIA let PM
          knowing the level of shooting training of cops in the province, they can’t give anything except PM, in our department all the barrels did not smell lubricant, it seems like a strange situation, but the fact, the provincial cops have a clear culture of handling weapons.
          1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
            Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 17 June 2016 22: 41
            +8
            He served 25 years in the Department of Internal Affairs of a provincial town. Now he is retired, but from PM I can still compete with some critics. So do not extend to that topic that you do not know.
      2. senima56
        senima56 11 September 2017 15: 01
        0
        “It happens” - for example, PM has been satisfying for over 40 years! Until the requirements for the gun have changed.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 17 June 2016 18: 35
      +1
      Different Wishlist for everyone.
      For example, in the USA, the 9mm Beretta is army, and SOCOM chose - H&K Mk-23 11,43 mm.
      I have to say. that it’s nothing better to hold and shoot the Mk-23 in my hands.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 17 June 2016 20: 55
        +1
        I have to say. that it’s nothing better to hold and shoot the Mk-23 in my hands.


        Browning HP, have not you tried?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 18 June 2016 20: 27
          0
          I tried it. H&K has less impact. hi
          Well, pluses 45 caliber.
      2. tracer
        tracer 18 June 2016 16: 13
        0
        Glock 34 try, or Smith & Wesson MP9
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 18 June 2016 20: 32
          0
          These are good devices - no questions.
          Have you shot from the Mk-23?
      3. tracer
        tracer 18 June 2016 16: 13
        0
        Glock 34 try, or Smith & Wesson MP9
  13. family tree
    family tree 17 June 2016 14: 36
    0
    Yes, on vacation, from this day, 30 calendar, either to Onega, to the border guards, or to the southern coast of the White torn
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 June 2016 22: 07
      +2
      Quote: perepilka
      whether on Onega, to the border guards, or on the south coast of the White torn
      Is it a taboo in the South? Are you afraid to melt?
      Or do not like warm vodka and sweaty women? bully
      1. family tree
        family tree 18 June 2016 04: 23
        -1
        It’s hot in the south. And about how to warm it up, it’s always better than cooling
  14. bootlegger
    bootlegger 17 June 2016 14: 42
    +1
    What is so special about 9x21 caliber that you need to make a special pistol for it? In fact, this is a 9 × 21 mm IMI for which many Beretta 92CZ 75 Walther P5 Steyr M9-A1 pistols are produced.
    Glock makes pistols more powerful, model 20, for example, under a 10mm Auto (10x25) cartridge with an energy of more than 800 J. There is also a Glock 31-32 under .357 SIG cartridge with a bottle sleeve and an initial bullet speed of 500 meters.
    The PL-14 would have pulled even such a cartridge in one of the modifications ..
  15. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 17 June 2016 15: 05
    0
    Why Boa, what Boa. Some crap, it’s not in our tradition to scare reptiles. Or the abbreviation or surname of the designer, but art. systems are generally rosals.
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 June 2016 15: 20
    +1
    It’s just that you need to patent such things so that it doesn’t work out like with a Kalashnikov assault rifle, that they produce everything without getting hit. Let them buy licenses.
  17. Crow
    Crow 17 June 2016 15: 42
    +1
    Maybe a good gun, but in appearance, as if by a round file from one workpiece ground)
    1. IvanGam
      IvanGam 18 June 2016 19: 26
      -1
      DD. Have you already seen this gun?
  18. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 June 2016 16: 22
    +1
    "Boa constrictor" is the threat of Banderlog ...
  19. XODOP
    XODOP 17 June 2016 16: 35
    -1
    Quote: gabonskijfront
    Why Boa, what Boa. Some crap, it’s not in our tradition to scare reptiles. Or the abbreviation or surname of the designer, but art. systems are generally rosals.

    Yes Yes...

    "gyurza", "alligator", "monitor lizard", "octopus" yet (though not a reptile) - that's just a shot. if they dig deeper, there will probably be a dozen more representatives of the serpentarium ...
  20. PValery53
    PValery53 17 June 2016 18: 15
    +1
    Outwardly similar to a hybrid of Makarov and TT.
  21. fa2998
    fa2998 17 June 2016 19: 48
    +3
    Quote: PValery53
    Outwardly similar to a hybrid of Makarov and TT.

    You know, I'm not an expert in pistols. But look at our pistols that have been developed in the last 20 years and compare with Western ones, sadness overcomes. With rare exceptions. Most likely such feelings are overcome by our military, specialists and other security services! It is not for nothing that they appear in service. Austrian, German, etc. samples. Not a single pistol in mass production after the "Makar"! hiThey are being tested, some are produced in small batches and that’s all.
  22. cosmos132
    cosmos132 17 June 2016 20: 58
    -1
    The boa constrictor is probably a good "machine", but what is your opinion on the 4,5 mm spring air that pierces 2mm iron and breaks a bottle of champagne 75 meters?
  23. Victor Wolz
    Victor Wolz 17 June 2016 21: 43
    +1
    At the exhibition, the Army 2015 held either a gyurza or a boa constrictor in his hand, the feeling that he was holding an iron in his hands. If you need it to penetrate body armor, then you probably need it, although a machine gun would be more convenient. I don’t think that shooting at it will give pleasure in accuracy like the CZ-75, or the convenience and reliability of the Glok-17. But the work on our gun should be carried out of course, but probably you should not be limited to one gun and one caliber.
  24. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 17 June 2016 22: 03
    -1
    They would have bought a license for the glock and didn’t bathe, well, they don’t know how to make pistols in our country, although machine guns are really nothing, especially considering that the new machine gun systems have only appeared in our country over the past 30 years (aek and en).
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 17 June 2016 22: 55
      +1
      Yes, we all know how to do it, only the leaders cannot decide in any way what the army, police, special forces, etc. need. The same Stechkin was in the army. So what? "Heavy, uncomfortable, Makarov is better!" But really, does an army officer need such a powerful pistol, if the main weapon in the field will still be a machine gun? At a short distance, the PM fully justifies itself, it is quite lightweight and is quite suitable as a backup weapon. For the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the National Guard, the PM is also quite suitable as a spare weapon. As the main one, an automatic machine or PP is also preferable there. A powerful pistol is more suitable for the security structures of VIPs, since it is still easier to hide it under a civilian suit than a PP. But here it is enough to purchase small quantities of foreign-made weapons, which is now being done.
      1. Old
        Old 18 June 2016 20: 04
        -1
        Well, why the gun for the army team ?! To the outfit, but to the guard! For this, PM is enough. In the war, all the machines are dragged! Even the pilots!
        Therefore, they do not order new pistols from the Ministry of Defense. For specialists, all sorts of boas are needed, but for army officers the best is a machine gun and some kind of "guard", give a signal, launch a rocket.
  25. gg.na
    gg.na 17 June 2016 23: 36
    0
    "Gyurza" is used by special forces of the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSO. Its aiming range is 100 m. A bullet fired from a pistol pierces 50-armor vest from 3 m
    belay
    However, according to Semizorov, "" Boa "will surpass all existing analogues by its characteristics."
    Very damn this "boa constrictor" with cool performance characteristics will come out what . If this is true, then honor and praise good weapons developer yes !!
    1. Victor Wolz
      Victor Wolz 18 June 2016 09: 27
      +2
      And do you imagine what will be the return on a shot from this miracle gun? If a glock with 9x19 throws so that the second and subsequent shot need to be specifically directed just below the target? And this is despite the fact that Glock has a magically grab handle. Or will it be too heavy and then what is it better than a machine gun pistol (which is more convenient to hold) under the same cartridge?
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  26. Forever so
    Forever so 18 June 2016 08: 30
    -1
    In order not to be confused anymore, I propose to name it this way -
    P.I. Serdyukov-Armsman, and
    A.E. Serdyukov-Taburetkin.
    If it’s not with pants, then at least such a differentiation is needed)) And with the pistols, I know one thing, you won’t have to own or shoot under this power.
  27. berezin1987
    berezin1987 18 June 2016 11: 31
    -1
    And why not make your own counterpart to the FN Five-Seven pistols or the Chinese QSZ-92? Moreover, there is already experience in creating PSN caliber 5.45. PSM is of course a slogan for an army pistol, its bullet has an energy of only 130 J. What prevents us from combining a machine gun of the 5.45 caliber with a bottle sleeve of 20-25 mm length? The result would be a cartridge with an energy of approximately 500 J and increased breakdown action. At a distance of up to 50 m, a gun would sew armor no worse than an automatic machine. 9-mm cartridges will soon not be able to provide penetration of modern body armor, and a small-caliber bullet can. For use in the police, an increased stopping cartridge with an expansive bullet is required. For the army, a high penetration cartridge is needed.
  28. serge siberian
    serge siberian 18 June 2016 16: 23
    +1
    PM is a personal weapon, personally! And let the "experts" in pistol shooting learn to shoot directly. You must learn to shoot from any weapon, "in a real way." And you have to get used to any weapon, as well as use it.
  29. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 18 June 2016 19: 49
    0
    Russian gunsmith Peter Serdyukov is working on a pistol. “Actually, the Boa is a development of Serdiukov’s own self-loading pistol (SPS), also known as Gyurza,” he said.

    SR-1 "Vector" / "Gyurza" - the very thing for the army. Cartridge 9x21 for an army pistol, powerful enough. I, unfortunately, discredited myself. PM is a reliable car, but it's time for an honorable retirement. Served his own.

    According to the reviews of those who used it, CP-1 and ATP have only one drawback - strong returns. I hope the engineers of the Central Research Institute of Tochmash will be able to solve this problem with a new gun. And everything else - a great weapon.
  30. ship
    ship 18 June 2016 20: 57
    -1
    18 rounds - "Boa" magazine is designed for eighteen rounds ", isn't it too much?
  31. _Plastun_
    _Plastun_ 18 June 2016 22: 29
    +3
    Quote: dr.star75
    The last frontier of defense before what? Do you know how the firing from the PM occurs?

    I’m sorry that I climbed in, I know everything about the pistols that are in my unit. PM is a good and reliable gun, people scold him who have crooked hands! There are PYs, you have to shoot a thousand rounds from the factory so that they would go through the shells. Then without The bounce works. I shoot well with both pistols, the PF's pluses are an increased bk of 36 rounds against 16 for the PM and a convenient aiming device. (For a shooting range it’s convenient). In a tactical setting, I shoot the barrel with a pistol, there’s no time to aim ... minus the PY weight and impossibility of hidden wearing. If there are these pi tolety, pobrobuyte pull them one at a time, much udivites.a if we walked under his arm, the whole day you feel .That PM fluff compared to the TL.
    PS: In general, the pistol is designed for shooting at short distances, in combat conditions it is up to 25 meters. For the rest there is another weapon. PM is ideal for this distance.
  32. TiT79
    TiT79 19 June 2016 09: 13
    +2
    Another brainchild of designers who have remained in the past ... Reminds me of the book "Dreamers". A person who does not shoot regularly and a lot, at least for fun, cannot create a good pistol (the exception is Makarov. I like this pistol and in his niche there are no worthy analogues in terms of price and quality.) From the photo of the presented copy, it is immediately clear that the designers are far away did not go: the shape very closely repeats the shape of the PM, only more. Sighting are the same, no normal adjustment or replacement for another (for example, with tritium dots). The tilt angle of the handle will not provide comfortable tempo shooting, the same applies to the dovetail (very shallow). The trigger for the double action trigger is very far away, it is difficult to judge for a single one. The flag is too large, it may be inconvenient to press with gloves ... In short, people who have not used it as a means of transportation for a long time are reinventing the wheel ...
    PY wretched offspring, a biting, brittle, unreliable gun made from a piece of g ... None of me seen (with rare exceptions and after completion of the file) did not work normally. The angle of the handle is inconvenient ... Although it means uncomfortable - it is simply taken from the PM, but it looks different, due to the different shape of the handle.
    The GSh with a characteristic bulge on the barrel resembles a drill, and a drill is a bad weapon. Shot when he just appeared (on testing) about 500 rounds. Convenient with a handle. This is where all the benefits end. Understands - you need to break your head. Stores are not convenient to insert. Sights - the last century (again echoes of the PM). The trigger hits the finger after firing. Heavy and long descent ... And it is not necessary to say that an easy descent is only for athletes, and the military and law enforcement officers do not need this. You need medium hardness, length and, most importantly, to be even, and not with "sharp or scuffing" as in the two described samples.
    I didn’t shoot from the gyurza, but I turned it in my hands. But the impressions are similar. Ergonomics are poor, and the more convenient the gun, the more convenient it is to shoot. I was also surprised by the fuse flag on the handle ... Colt would have looked ... Everyone who uses it turns it off, leaving the usual flag.
    Cartridge 9x21 is an analogue of 38super. A sufficiently powerful cartridge for a gun not equipped with a compensator. For those who do not know - for the convenience of tempo shooting. Bronik 50 meters, no average user of this gun will not break, because it just does not hit. Since they do not teach this normally in the army. The FSB and FSO may still be, but far from the correct approach to training.

    Summarizing: all these pistols can fulfill the task required of them, like the domestic auto industry, to bring a body or cargo from point A to point B. But with certain difficulties. So why not do the normal thing, given the fact that our ships plow outer space ... ???
  33. ver_
    ver_ 19 June 2016 12: 58
    +1
    ... well, as if small children ...
  34. unknown
    unknown 19 June 2016 15: 24
    0
    Quote: nrex
    In the case of the PM pistol, the aiming range is practically the same as the destructive power. For example, TTs are positioned with an aiming range of 50 m. In "Volyny" type "Boa" GSh-18, etc. with a reinforced cartridge, consider 100 m of sighting range equal to destructive power.


    Do not tell. The real case, from the practice of law enforcement agencies of our country. When using PM, the bullet went into a rebound, 900 meters, a random person died. The experts were shocked.
  35. Zai pali
    Zai pali 20 June 2016 02: 05
    +2
    Is there an underbarrel grenade launcher? Do not need a bar in 90% of cases.
    The police, special forces, I understand. But not combined arms use.
  36. Wolka
    Wolka 20 June 2016 06: 20
    0
    there is no universal weapon, do not try to make a pistol a full-blooded rifle, much less a sniper, each sample has its own tasks and, accordingly, a technical characteristics for the corresponding ammunition, the pistol is a personal weapon of a fighter for fighting at short distances and more often in a limited space, TT, PM, APS , GS-18 are good guidelines for the further development of the topic, we are waiting for the end of the tests ...
  37. Dinko
    Dinko 7 July 2016 12: 06
    0
    In ergonomics, the Serdyukov pistol is much better than the Yarygin pistol and even more powerful. The 9X21 caliber cartridge was developed by the Israeli company IMI for use in special forces weapons and is promising in NATO countries, since the use of bulletproof vests on the modern battlefield required the use of a more powerful cartridge for pistols and pistols - machine guns.
  38. senima56
    senima56 9 February 2018 18: 30
    0
    Note- article of June 17, 2016 (!!!!!!!) of the year! Now feral of 2018, about the "Boa constrictor" no information at all!
  39. parshootin
    parshootin 24 February 2018 22: 50
    0
    This gun was developed in 1992 and was called gyurza, even the snake was on the receiver cover.