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Bomb the Moscow hackers!

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NATO Secretary General made an interesting statement. According to him, in some cases, cyber attacks can be interpreted as a challenge for the entire North Atlantic alliance. The call will be answered: “A serious cyber attack can be classified as a precedent for the alliance. Then NATO can and should respond ... ”

Bomb the Moscow hackers!


According to Jens Stoltenberg, in the future, the North Atlantic Alliance can respond to cyber attacks by deploying conventional weapons, writes RIA News". “A serious cyber attack can be classified as a precedent for the alliance. Then NATO can and should respond, ”Stoltenberg told Bild.

"How - it will depend on the severity of the attack," - said the secretary general of the alliance.

He also said that NATO needs to adapt to the increasingly complex series of threats. That is why the member states of the alliance agreed to defend themselves against attacks in cyberspace, as well as from attacks on land, in the air and at sea.

Words about “adapting” are not just said. The fact is that the alliance does not yet have a strategy to counter the enemy in cyberspace. David Sanger writes about this in a newspaper. "New York Times".

The title of his article mentions "Russian hackers." According to the author, Putin’s fighters of the invisible front are everywhere - from Ukraine to the Baltic States, and even climbed into Finland and Sweden. The latter interest is probably related to the fact that Russia does not want the traditionally neutral Finns and Swedes to come closer to NATO. The other day, when NATO conducted naval exercises, including in Finland, hackers turned off the website of the Finnish Ministry of Defense.

The author also assures the public that the Russians spied electronically against the Dutch commission investigating the crash with the Malaysian Boeing airliner.

And in the German intelligence service BND told American officials that Russian hackers were behind cyber attacks targeting the German steel industry.

A NATO center for studying the vulnerabilities of the alliance’s cyberspace is now located in Estonia. Here we study the possible response to attacks. It is believed that the Western alliance has yet to develop a strategy to counter the "increasingly aggressive actions of Russia in cyberspace." Apparently, the journalist agrees with this, since he reminds: yes, conferences are often held and documents are accepted, but there are no serious military plans other than blocking the alliance’s own networks. Russia, China and Iran are conducting increasingly sophisticated offensive operations in cyberspace, but NATO does not even have a common response mechanism. And this gap “contrasts sharply” with NATO’s strategy adopted in the area of ​​countering “more familiar threats.”

However, two years ago, NATO declared that the alliance could equate cyber attacks against one of its member states to an armed attack. And all NATO members will have to respond to the aggressor. Yet, when it comes only to deterring espionage and attacks of European computer networks recorded every week, the NATO command does not seem to be ready to take the aforementioned “aggressive” countermeasures, Sanger believes. Jens Stoltenberg rightly asserts that the alliance in cyberspace must "defend" (not attack). This is some kind of outdated strategy, from the twentieth century, when there were no cyber attacks. That is why James Lewis from the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington notes that the Russians can do whatever they want: they know that there will be “no answer”. In addition, Russian specialists are able to hide their ends in the water - for example, the way they did at the end of 2015 of the year, “attacking the Ukrainian power grid”. There even American intelligence officers could not understand anything.

“The biggest problem in cyberspace is deterrence,” says Mr. Ilves, President of Estonia. He puts the problem of preventing cyber conflict at one of the main places in politics. “We talked about the need to combat them [cyber threats] within the framework of NATO for several years,” the journalist quotes the president. Ilves fears that Russia or hackers of another state will soon move on to the next level of invasion: they will begin to “subtly manipulate” medical records, operations with weapons systems and navigation data.

The “answer” to hackers, we add, is hardly possible for the entire alliance, and even more so the answer in the form of the use of traditional weapons. It understands Stoltenberg, understand others. Therefore, the statements are serious, but more like a shaking of air. And there is no place to take strategies, for the enemy is invisible. After all, even the vaunted American intelligence is often unable to understand exactly where the cyber attack came from. Russian can be suspected, you can designate them as the main enemy, but starting a real war with them because of suspicion would be the height of stupidity.

Some Russian experts, however, seriously sounded the alarm and even advised to prepare for war. This is not a joke or a duck.

Expert of the Association of Independent Military Political Scientists Alexander Perendzhiev said in an interview "Free Press"that the world community needs to prepare for a global war.

“At first glance,” he noted, “it seems that lately Stoltenberg has gone mad. Of course, he performs some kind of political order. He was given a task, and he performs it. I am sure that Stoltenberg’s activity in the information space is associated with the upcoming July NATO summit in Warsaw. But overall, NATO’s belligerent and anti-Russian rhetoric will only increase. And the feeling that there is no limit to this. They are trying to create a need for aggressiveness in world public opinion. ”

In fact, it is extremely dangerous. In the Western world, before you do something, loud political statements are made. After realizing that public opinion supports certain actions or simply does not oppose, the implementation phase begins.

The statement about cyber attacks means that now you don’t even have to wave the tube with white powder. Say, there was a cyber attack, and we begin hostilities. And what was the cyber attack, who conducted it, was she at all, no one would know. That is, NATO wants to act according to the principle “you are guilty of the fact that I want to eat”.


Nevertheless, we add that the alliance has no strategy for collective counteraction against cyber threats and moreover there is no strategy for an "asymmetric" response to cyber threats - that is, direct military means. It is absolutely not clear by what means: tanksmissiles or bombs. It is not clear who to iron with tanks or to bomb, because the enemy is invisible. It’s not so easy to prove that Russians, Chinese, or anyone else have been somewhere. Most often, it’s completely impossible.

And we will not believe that the secretary general of the alliance is convinced of the need to bomb Moscow simply because of suspicion: uh-uh, it seems that these “aggressive” Russians launched hacker attacks against some steel mills in Germany or rummaged through “medical records” in Estonia, and therefore let's launch a couple of missiles in their direction or send bombers to them. Apparently, Stoltenberg simply makes loud statements before the upcoming Warsaw Summit of NATO, "promoting" the event and "preaching" the inviolability of the alliance. But such statements themselves hardly oblige it: these are words, and not an approved and adopted document.

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  1. hohkn
    hohkn 20 June 2016 06: 19
    +9
    But such statements themselves hardly oblige him to anything: these are words, not an approved and adopted document.

    And no one ever explained to him that it is customary for serious people to answer for the market?
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 20 June 2016 06: 37
      +14
      Quote: hohkn
      And no one ever explained to him that it is customary for serious people to answer for the market?

      How do you make him answer? And the fact that they (NATO) have recently been so unbelted and plundered and climb over and over with statements one louder than the other, this only means one thing: they smelled a lot of big money and try to get it out no matter what. NATO is a business project of weapons money bags. Business and nothing superfluous, and the business smelling of big profits will stop at nothing, this was correctly formulated by Karl Marx.
    2. Blondy
      Blondy 20 June 2016 08: 35
      +6
      I wonder how, and if Moscow, will adopt these ideas regarding non-Moscow hackers. Does he have enough brains to realize that any club has two ends?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 June 2016 12: 12
        +2
        Quote: Blondy
        I wonder how, and if Moscow, will adopt these ideas regarding non-Moscow hackers. Does he have enough brains to realize that any club has two ends?

        Since I am retired, I can join the "divan partisan detachment" and troll NATO in every possible way! soldier
      2. Starik72
        Starik72 20 June 2016 16: 35
        +1
        Blondie. Yes, this Pillar-Yer does not work. This is nonsense.
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 20 June 2016 19: 04
        0
        Quote: Blondy
        I wonder how, and if Moscow, will adopt these ideas regarding non-Moscow hackers.

        To begin with, he will cover the electronic warfare with the American embassy in Moscow, in which they do not disdain "eavesdropping"!
    3. shark913
      shark913 20 June 2016 09: 11
      +3
      Responsible for the bazaar is not a geyrpe value.
      but to be honest, it seems that NATO has a strong panic since they are training who will bark louder.
    4. EvgNik
      EvgNik 20 June 2016 13: 09
      +1
      Quote: hohkn
      And no one ever explained to him that it is customary for serious people to answer for the market?

      In the West, it is not customary to answer "for the market". A civilized gentleman - wants to give the word - wants to - takes back. And what is surprising - no one gives him a face for it.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 20 June 2016 13: 28
      +1
      Great article! Again, Russia is fighting against the rules! laughing So these are still flowers. That will still be when necessary! laughing
  2. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 20 June 2016 06: 36
    +7
    If I understand correctly, a hacker attack on a NATO member, depending on the severity, can be equated to the start of hostilities? A sneaky remark from the ground, nothing personal — but a kind of full-time Natyukov’s structure to counter cyber attacks, is engaged exclusively in defense and has never jacked up on other people's servers? And then, how do we respond to these Zeher? I propose to stifle like crucian carp in shallow water in order to repel desire and even thoughts to act in this direction. Ish what they thought up, flawed ...
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    2. mirag2
      mirag2 20 June 2016 06: 45
      +5
      If I’m not mistaken, Obama said about 2 years ago that an attack on the United States in the cyber sphere would be equivalent to fighting against the United States.
      ps the video is not in the subject, but very funny. The product from "OPO APO" is now an "Anti-government organization, and in 2014 it was called:" OPO APO Anti-government anti-AIDS ... stic organization "))):
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 20 June 2016 08: 07
      +2
      . NATO said the alliance could equate cyber attacks against one of its member states with an armed attack.

      To say that Russia can equate the deployment of missile defense and NATO infrastructure on the approaches to Russia, to attack! And can answer it accordingly!
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 20 June 2016 06: 50
    +2
    Jens already had problems with his head, and before the rally of scouts in Warsaw the roof completely went off. It seems that Petropa infected Svidomo virus. And there’s nothing to lure all deprived persons into NATO, then it will be better with health.
  4. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 20 June 2016 06: 52
    +6
    How are they afraid of us. Russians are everywhere ..... It’s scary to think what would happen if we had not 150 million, but 1,5 billion, like the Chinese. what
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 20 June 2016 07: 13
      +3
      As in Chukovsky's poem: "... The wolves ate each other out of fright"
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 20 June 2016 07: 25
        +1
        I suppose the next step: NATO will feel vulnerable to Russian psychics., Healers .... Sorcerers - they can --- damage, jinx it .... or even make a love spell !!!!!
        1. okunevich_rv
          okunevich_rv 20 June 2016 08: 10
          +2
          Psaka surprised me so much that I jinxed her and removed her from the air, now I miss her, and no one else amuses her like that.
          If in the first act a gun hangs on the wall, then by the end of the action the topic with cyber attacks should shoot.
          About the famous test tube is very accurately noticed.
        2. okunevich_rv
          okunevich_rv 20 June 2016 08: 10
          +2
          Psaka surprised me so much that I jinxed her and removed her from the air, now I miss her, and no one else amuses her like that.
          If in the first act a gun hangs on the wall, then by the end of the action the topic with cyber attacks should shoot.
          About the famous test tube is very accurately noticed.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 20 June 2016 08: 25
      +5
      Quote: S_Baykala
      How are they afraid of us.

      In what? I would say differently! When threatened, we need to be afraid! Do not have time to react! Now they are deploying missile defense and their battalions on our borders, fear of it?
      Did Hitler deploy troops on our borders, too, out of fear? Or did he want to attack anyway?
      Do not underestimate the enemy.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 June 2016 08: 45
      +2
      Quote: S_Baykala
      How are they afraid of us. Russian everywhere ....

      They’re not afraid, but they are trying to set us before the world again as the axis of Evil. Around the Russian threat, around Russian missiles and hackers ... but who is deploying its missile defense system around the world, who is monitoring the European and Asian governments? Who has the most inflated military budget?
    4. sergey2017
      sergey2017 20 June 2016 21: 00
      0
      Russian ATI specialists work all over the world, including the EU and China! It’s practically impossible to track and find out which of them is a hacker for the American special services! And our ATI specialists are the best in the world!
  5. qwert111
    qwert111 20 June 2016 06: 54
    +6
    Sometimes it takes such a longing that we withdrew troops from eastern Europe and let the Berlin wall be destroyed.
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 20 June 2016 07: 16
      +5
      Lesson! No need to do one-sided nonsense. After all, even England rested against the latter against the reunification of Germany ...
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 June 2016 06: 54
    +3
    “A serious cyber attack can be classified as a precedent for the alliance. Then NATO can and should respond. ”

    Here is another excellent reason for the legalization (legalization) of NATO affairs. After all, representatives of any non-NATO country can be blamed for a cyberattack. Then try to prove that you are not a camel, and NATO at this time starts to "react". The devotees of "democracy" have completely lost their scent.
  7. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 20 June 2016 06: 55
    -9
    Bomb the Moscow hackers!

    I'm all for it!!! And not only Moscow. These hackers got their viruses, ads, spam, theft and the publication of other people's data (I mean millions of ordinary citizens). The only plus is that games are hacked, and then, lately they have been doing extremely poorly at this task.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 20 June 2016 07: 31
      -1
      Quote: sergeyzzz
      These hackers got their viruses, ads, spam, theft and the release of other people's data

      Well, actually, these are not people anymore, but bots are engaged in entire networks
      1. sergeyzzz
        sergeyzzz 20 June 2016 13: 13
        +1
        And who writes bots?
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 20 June 2016 13: 26
          -2
          Quote: sergeyzzz
          And who writes bots?

          People also make cars at factories, but it doesn’t follow that some people carry others :-)
    2. insular
      insular 20 June 2016 09: 02
      +2
      ETOGES it is necessary to blurt out ... Sometimes it seems to me that not all people have a brain.
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  8. Gurinov Nikolay
    Gurinov Nikolay 20 June 2016 07: 06
    +4
    Yes, we’ve been ready for war for a long time already.
  9. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 20 June 2016 07: 13
    +2
    For your Vaseline bombs, cook more! fool
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 20 June 2016 07: 47
    +4
    I don’t see one American politician shaking his computer keyboard and shouting that this is evidence of Russian cyberattacks, because it is on this keyboard that one very scary message is typed that spreads the US state secret - "Abama dyrak!" wassat
  11. then
    then 20 June 2016 07: 56
    +4
    Casus Belli: "American specialists did not understand anything and started a war."
  12. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 20 June 2016 08: 07
    +3
    Hackers of all countries, unite !!!
  13. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 20 June 2016 08: 18
    +3
    Here it is numbed by idiots.
    They themselves take a bunch of waste paper, then they themselves then come out and shit, in attempts to clear up the rubble of any nonsense.
    In fact, we are talking about a variety of management and quality management systems. There it is ISUS, we know it as ISM - an integrated management system.
    So there it is supposed to assess risks.
    Any.
    And take plans to eliminate them.
    Check out that no one bothers with the reality of risks.
    The amount of waste paper in the output is important.
    With volumes, ich glaube, they have everything at the highest level. NATO, your fellow.
    ...
    They are lucky, they have no icicles.
    Otherwise, they would have surpassed us, regarding the fight against icicles - instructions on how far to walk from buildings in the spring and what to do if an ice gift flew into your head.
    Risk?
    Risk. Need to respond.
    ...
    Eccentrics. The letter Dol ....
  14. demiurg
    demiurg 20 June 2016 09: 06
    +6
    A new threat to NATO. Russian hackers land at night from submarines, and beat English fans.
  15. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 June 2016 09: 10
    +3
    Comments to the picture. It is from these halls that "Crimean women, daughters of officers" are written. And this is what they call promoting democracy.
  16. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 20 June 2016 09: 37
    +4
    These statements indicate only one thing - the lack of interest of the Western man in the street in this kind of news. If the news is not interesting, it is dismissed and, of course, not taken apart "by the bones." And the fact that in these statements there is quite often a direct violation of human rights and trampling on the judicial authority (unsubstantiated accusations - slander) to an ordinary citizen, until it concerns him ...
  17. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 20 June 2016 10: 16
    0
    two years ago, NATO declared that the alliance could equate cyber attacks against one of its member states to an armed attack


    Here it is, irresistible casus belli in the Xnumx century. Someone shouting х my computer network was attacked by hackers of this state》 and no one has ever proved his innocence. It remains only to fight, but not in virtual reality, but in real.
  18. Mestny
    Mestny 20 June 2016 10: 40
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    Did Hitler deploy troops on our borders, too, out of fear? Or did he want to attack anyway?

    At least in the propaganda of those years, this idea was far from the last place - Germany should destroy the USSR because it was going to destroy the civilized world. To forestall, so to speak, the attack of the barbarians on the stronghold of civilization in Europe.
    Everything is exactly the same as now. And they will climb to kill us with exactly the same holy faith in the good they do.
    In general, it feels like it’s about 1938 now. Well, just a few years left.
    1. Kenneth
      Kenneth 20 June 2016 11: 47
      +1
      It's time to dig the hopper. But do not forget to go there the Internet.
  19. Kenneth
    Kenneth 20 June 2016 11: 46
    0
    A very robust commentary on the situation.
  20. staer-62
    staer-62 20 June 2016 11: 57
    0
    No no. When I read the news, I want so badly that I can’t directly launch a vigorous bomb in them that wouldn’t seem to anyone. so that everyone would understand who the bear is here and whose raspberries. But they don’t understand, we’ll ruin the world so that no one will remember why. By the way, novels on the topic of post-apocalypse current with us, they have few. Is it the current we fear? And those who are not afraid of anything at all? Who read Malvil? It was written in 60 years. And our themes of the post-apocalypse are like a stalker. I am from 62 years old, I remember the transmission according to the rules of conduct during an atomic explosion. I remember a photo of the American military who played football with a Vietnamese head cut off. What has changed since then? NOTHING! It remains to decide whose head they will play football now.
    1. Kelwin
      Kelwin 21 June 2016 03: 12
      0
      And everyone who reads post-post is no longer afraid of anything, they are aware of how it will end — plus or minus — there will be no football to play with.
      And here is another moment, a dozen and a half of these novels have appeared over the past five or six years. Sometimes there is the thought that this is not a coincidence at all, but maybe some element of preparation in general. Moreover, almost everywhere the description of the causes and events of the conflict leading to the BP looks very real, well, adjusted for artistic excesses.
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  21. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 June 2016 13: 45
    0
    There is a film - "Hotabych", I recommend it for unloading. Quite quiet, almost Soviet. But the Thought is there.
  22. OlegLex
    OlegLex 20 June 2016 14: 58
    0
    We have an old Cossack proverb in the Kuban
    "Who fucked up?
    - That's the daughter-in-law.
    “Is she in the field?”
    - so it carries from there "
    In general, for them, Russian and bad words are synonyms. so why are we surprised? It has always been so and apparently it will be so tomorrow.
    My great-great-great-grandfather took Paris, grandfather of Berlin, and what do you want me to take - Brussels?
    1. Starik72
      Starik72 20 June 2016 16: 59
      +2
      Oleg. If there is a war, there will be an order. And there will be an order - we will take Fascistong! We will not take strength and skill!
  23. azer
    azer 21 June 2016 09: 30
    0
    You read articles and marvel at couch generals. You will not have time to fart, as they would cover the whole earth and there would be nothing left alive. I don’t understand, do these hawks in the geistrana even think about it? Or did the brains through the anus with feces come out?