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In the US, discussing the creation of no-fly zones over Syria and strikes against the positions of the SAR government forces

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US General of the Armed Forces David Goldfin stated that there are conditions under which no-fly zones can be created over Syria. The statement about the possibility of creating free zones, the general of the American army made during the hearings in the committee on the armed forces of the Senate. Goldfin was the one who was asked about this possibility by the US senators.

In the US, discussing the creation of no-fly zones over Syria and strikes against the positions of the SAR government forces


According to the American general, the main condition should be permission to shoot down any aircraft, including aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation, in “flightless zones”.

RIA News cites a statement by an American general:
Since the IG does not have airplanes, this means that I must have permission to shoot down Russian and Syrian airplanes.


Will Russian air defense systems "agree" with this? ..

The second condition Goldfin called informing the US Air Force about exactly what the task is performed on the ground in areas of the same "no-fly" zones. The third condition, according to the general, is to consolidate efforts to create "no-fly zones" and conduct an operation against ISIS terrorists.

Meanwhile, the US State Department turned to Barack Obama with a proposal to begin hostilities against the Syrian government army. In the newspaper The New York Times published an appeal to more than fifty State Department employees who sleep and see the air strikes on the positions of the troops of Bashar al-Assad. The report contains an extremely hypocritical phrase that the launch of an operation against the SAR government forces "will help to achieve success in the fight against ISIS." The publication also notes that Obama is unlikely to take such a step, especially several months before the expiration of the presidential term.
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  1. rafaelich
    rafaelich 17 June 2016 06: 44
    +33
    You can discuss, implement - hell, no one gave you such a right! ..
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 17 June 2016 06: 47
      +19
      We need to deliver ammunition on an urgent basis, we will see soon we will be kneading.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 17 June 2016 06: 56
        +11
        I also think that they provoke a conflict.
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 17 June 2016 07: 11
          +17
          I also think that they provoke a conflict.

          Here it is a little different - it became clear to them that the words "business" cannot help. To stop Assad, they need to turn off the Russians from the game. This can be done only by cutting off supply channels - in other words, they need a war between the Turks and Russia with the closure of the straits for at least a year.
          Therefore, we need a supply of fuel and lubricants and ammunition, without which our VKS are unfortunately simply complex toys.
          hi
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 17 June 2016 08: 09
            +11
            I feel that soon the flight-free zone will be over the whole BV, only the very hardwired Americans and their maydanuty friends from NATO and Ankara will not be able to fly there ...
            The rebels, supported by Jordan, complained of Russia, which bombed them.

            The Syrian army captured the arsenals of Israeli and Romanian weapons, which came from Turkey under the guise of humanitarian aid IG

            laughing
            AFP: The United States expressed serious concern that Russia bombed the opposition created by them

            Russia bombed US-backed fighters in southern Syria, raising "serious concern" a US official says
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 17 June 2016 08: 28
              +6
              There the New Syrian Army was bombed, this is a relatively new project, from the most democratic groups, according to the United States. They get advanced weapons, train at bases in Jordan and Turkey.

              For example, a brand new bolt from a fresh delivery for the New Syrian Army.
              1. bulvas
                bulvas 17 June 2016 09: 02
                +6

                It is as if they are scaring the world that a serious conflict is possible with Russia.

                Perhaps this is due to the fact that a lot of people came to the forum in St. Petersburg, they want to scare or distract

                1. Sid.74
                  Sid.74 17 June 2016 09: 08
                  +5
                  Quote: bulvas
                  Perhaps this is due to the fact that many people came to the forum in St. Petersburg, they want to scare

                  That is not ... our just new "moderates" rasshrenachi ... laughing
                  It looks like the Americans broke off in Syria on a large scale ... so they cackled.

                  The Russian Aerospace Forces struck with cluster submunitions on the militants of the New Syrian Army group, sponsored by the United States

                  1. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 17 June 2016 12: 33
                    +2
                    Since the IG does not have airplanes, this means that I must have permission to shoot down Russian and Syrian airplanes.

                    Well, in principle, why not.
                    Quantitatively, the forces of the Alliance in the region will exceed the Russian ones. Israel, in principle, could also join the "warriors of light" mission. If we ignore the nuclear hysteria, it’s like if something we’ll cover you with nuclear weapons. We will not cover it, at least Russia is the first to hardly do it. P.E. you will have to defend yourself with your usual forces.

                    Another question is how this adventure will end. And what will Russia do. In the case of kneading, the main enemy will be Turkey. By the fact that it will be difficult for American aircraft carriers to approach the distance of attack on Syria, due to the fact that most likely the ships of the Russian Navy will be on the raid. I will not say that AUG will not succeed, I say that this will not be easy to achieve. At VO there was already an article very interesting in this regard, who did not read recommend https://topwar.ru/page,1,2,96114-nimic-protiv-moskvy-ocenka-realnyh-vozmozhnoste

                    y.html


                    Having received partly on snot, having suffered certain losses, the Forces of Light and Good may decide that it is inexpedient to continue hostilities against Syria, which in itself could threaten a full-scale war against the Russian Federation. Although I draw your attention to the fact that even an attempt to attack the ships of the Russian Federation or any other military object (aircraft) is an outrageous trick for the Americans.

                    And I also draw your attention to the fact that the nonsense of one general is - perhaps only nonsense. On the other hand, this is why he and the general are to carry such nonsense, thereby analyzing the balance of forces and capabilities. By the way such plans have existed for a long time. Assad still will not lose to IS, it irritates the forces of "Good and Light", the need to bring democracy to the region is growing.
                    1. abrakadabre
                      abrakadabre 17 June 2016 13: 21
                      +2
                      I also draw attention to the fact that one general’s ravings are only ravings.
                      But in order for this to continue to be only nonsense, a very high-level response must be made that such an attempt will be appropriately regarded and mean, if not Armageddon, for highly developed life on the planet in general, then at least a declaration of war by NATO as a bloc. With all the ensuing retaliatory active military measures.
                    2. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 17 June 2016 17: 29
                      -1
                      AUG strikes Syria right now. Therefore, I see no problems for the United States because of our maritime grouping.
                      1. Sid.74
                        Sid.74 17 June 2016 17: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        With AUG strikes on Syria

                        What? You can detail .... request
                      2. _Vladislav_
                        _Vladislav_ 17 June 2016 20: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        With AUG strikes on Syria

                        Seriously? Well then, from which water area and which aircraft carrier?
                      3. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 18 June 2016 09: 32
                        0
                        https://topwar.ru/96469-pentagon-aviakrylo-gari-trumena-naneslo-novye-udary-po-i
                        gv-sirii-i-irake.html
                        American fighters from the aircraft carrier Gary Truman delivered regular strikes against IG facilities in Syria and Iraq, the Pentagon reports.

                        The agency reminds that the “aircraft carrier Gary Truman” entered the Mediterranean Sea through the Suez Canal last week, ”at the same time the aircraft based on it struck the first blow to the IG terrorists.
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          2. Stalker.1977
            Stalker.1977 17 June 2016 08: 41
            +14
            Most of the mattresses' roof went off on the basis of its over significance, Hollywood completely screwed up their brain, there is absolutely no sobriety.
            1. Altona
              Altona 17 June 2016 09: 02
              +2
              Quote: Stalker.1977
              Most of the mattresses' roof went off on the basis of its over significance, Hollywood completely screwed up their brain, there is absolutely no sobriety.

              -------------------
              Not that word. The downing of the plane is the actual declaration of war. And this can be achieved even before an atomic war. This Goldfin does not seem to be aware of the word "at all" if he announces such actions.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 23
                +1
                And how can he give himself a report if he is crazy, as well as the remaining 50 people who support him.
          3. volot-voin
            volot-voin 17 June 2016 09: 43
            +2
            Quote: Cheshire
            Therefore, we need a supply of fuel and lubricants and ammunition, without which our VKS are unfortunately simply complex toys.

            It is advisable to finish faster with the IS so that the United States does not have a reason, and before Obama leaves.
            Quote: Cheshire
            Therefore, we need a supply of fuel and lubricants and ammunition, without which our VKS are unfortunately simply complex toys.

            Yes, it’s expensive to carry through Iran, a strategic supply is needed. They can easily push Turkey into conflict, and fuck Syria out of the blue.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 17 June 2016 10: 58
              +1
              Quote: volot-voin
              It is advisable to finish faster with the IG

              It seems to me that this is impossible.
              Feed comes from bombed and destroyed states such as Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
              Then the contractors are endless.
              Imagine that a man has to feed his family somewhere in Libya, but there is no money and opportunities. What can he do? Goes for a couple of hundred bucks (a lot of money by their standards) to serve in the ranks of "terrorist managers."

              And regarding the shooting down of the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, our people have said more than once that they will shoot down EVERYONE who will pose a threat to our aircraft. It's bargaining anyway. Diplomats will meet. Kerry probably doesn't even see her family, she's constantly on the move. It is necessary to win over the Mongols to our side, vaccinate them with "democracy", and the Turkmens, the Europeans relaxed something, apparently passenger planes haven’t fallen for a long time!
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 25
              0
              In this case, the Russian Aerospace Forces will flood Turkey with cruise missiles and after that they will have nothing to fight with.
              1. electrooleg
                electrooleg 18 June 2016 02: 13
                0
                They naively believe that for 5 years we will go to the aggressor capital as in World War II laughing the rams do not understand that we will first shy away at the pentagons, and then we will finish on our mainland everything that moves :)
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          4. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 17 June 2016 09: 50
            +3
            IRAN WILL NOT BE AGAINST THE TRANSIT OF OUR CARGO THROUGH ITS TERRITORY. BUT BY LAND AND AIR, DELIVERY WILL BE EXPENSIVE
          5. Felix
            Felix 17 June 2016 09: 55
            +1
            Quote: Cheshire
            This can be done only by blocking the supply channels - in other words, they need a war between the Turks and Russia with the closure of the straits for at least a year.

            I don’t think that the straits will be blocked for such a long time.
            1. Cheshire
              Cheshire 17 June 2016 10: 07
              +3
              I don’t think that the straits will be blocked for such a long time.

              It does not block only one thing: fear. He still remained with the Turks, but the pin was lost.
              The straits will have to be unblocked, and this is a regional war, at least. request
          6. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 20
            +1
            Russia has transport aviation - fuel and everything else will be delivered to Iranian territory, and from there through Iraq to Syria.
          7. razmik72
            razmik72 17 June 2016 14: 13
            0
            Quote: Cheshire
            I also think that they provoke a conflict.

            Here it is a little different - it became clear to them that the words "business" cannot help. To stop Assad, they need to turn off the Russians from the game. This can be done only by cutting off supply channels - in other words, they need a war between the Turks and Russia with the closure of the straits for at least a year.
            Therefore, we need a supply of fuel and lubricants and ammunition, without which our VKS are unfortunately simply complex toys.
            hi

            Russia proposes to Armenia to create an air defense system under a general command within the CSTO. In Armenia, it is widely believed that the Russians will command the parade, and the Armenian air defense personnel will not have the authority to make elementary decisions without an order from Moscow. quite extensive opposition. If any of the members of the forum are aware, they could not explain the essence of this treaty on air defense, otherwise our authorities do not really explain anything to anyone, and this makes people very nervous.
            1. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 17 June 2016 21: 54
              +2
              Quote: razmik72
              Russians will command the parade

              Should it be the other way around?
          8. PSih2097
            PSih2097 18 June 2016 00: 29
            0
            Quote: Cheshire
            with the closure of the straits for at least a year.

            An attempt to close the straits along Montreux is in itself a declaration of war, the problem is different - will ours answer harshly and briefly in military terms or, as always, will they be concerned and appeal to the UN Security Council?
        2. Korvin1000
          Korvin1000 17 June 2016 13: 08
          0
          Whether provoking or not. But if they are solved, the main thing is that ours would not bend.
          And this already means a world war in which China will win.
          Do you think we are ready?
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 17 June 2016 07: 14
        +10
        ... American general:
        Since the IG does not have airplanes, this means that I must have permission to shoot down Russian and Syrian airplanes.

        A strange statement by the general, and even before the senators! How and with what was this general going to shoot down Russian planes? Is there such a possibility? Can this be done with impunity?
        If the Americans had positive answers to these questions, I am sure they would have fulfilled their cherished desires long ago!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 07: 23
          +9
          Quote: Stas157
          How and with what was this general going to shoot down Russian planes?

          Two AUG, plus Incirlik, plus Corsica, plus the whole coalition pack.
          Quote: Stas157
          Can this be done with impunity?

          Su 24 shot down, does it tell you anything?
          Quote: Stas157
          If Americans had positive answers to these questions,

          I'm afraid you don't have them, but the US does.
          1. Cheshire
            Cheshire 17 June 2016 07: 33
            +12
            Two AUG, plus Incirlik, plus Corsica, plus the whole coalition pack.

            Logically, one AUG will have to be reduced to excuse it. request Well, nowhere to go. The coalition pack will proportionally decrease.
            Note, I'm not in favor of hot mixing with the United States, here you have to respond with force for force.
            hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 07: 41
              +4
              Quote: Cheshire
              Note, I'm not in favor of hot mixing with the United States, here you have to respond with force for force.

              Well, then everything will go and fly as if by notes. Diplomacy and the UN will not decide anything.
              1. Cheshire
                Cheshire 17 June 2016 07: 45
                +5
                Unfortunately, you are absolutely right.
              2. Black Colonel
                Black Colonel 17 June 2016 09: 57
                +3
                You can URGENTLY announce a "planned" check of the readiness of the Russian Navy, as well as naval maneuvers in the southeastern part of the Mediterranean with live firing, pull some old trough and indicatively calibrate it there, scan it (optional). I am confident that the State Department's rhetoric will change to a more restrained one.
                1. aleks26
                  aleks26 17 June 2016 12: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: Black Colonel
                  You can URGENTLY announce a "planned" check of the readiness of the Russian Navy, as well as naval maneuvers in the southeastern Mediterranean with live firing, pull in some old trough and indicatively calibrate it there, scan it (optional).

                  Yeah, and put a trough not in the Mediterranean Sea, but in the Persian Gulf, or immediately in the Mexican one, but why is it small laughing
                2. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 17 June 2016 13: 25
                  0
                  in the southeastern part of the Mediterranean with live firing, to pull in some old trough and it is indicative to calibrate it there, scan it (optional).
                  And to do it from the territory of Russia. And not by the forces of the naval forces near Syria. Only in this case will the effect be achieved.
              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 27
                +1
                Does the UN even decide anything?
              4. aleks26
                aleks26 17 June 2016 12: 23
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, then everything will go and fly as if by notes. Diplomacy and the UN will not decide anything.

                Whose? Who is the composer? It is not a fact that he is from thaan. Do the states need it? After all, Putin may not strike where our "friends" are pushing him. Do they need it?
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 17 June 2016 07: 56
            +11
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Two AUG, plus Incirlik, plus Corsica, plus the whole coalition pack.

            Not understood. Can I go into details? How and with what will the Americans shoot down our planes? AUG? Injerlik? Corsica?
            And the main question! Can this be done with impunity?

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Su 24 shot down, does it tell you anything?

            Is talking! About crucifix ..., negligence! About nothing else! One more, similar number, I hope will not work!

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I'm afraid you don't have them, but the US does.

            If you are in the know, Alexander, share these answers with us!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 08: 27
              0
              Quote: Stas157
              AUG? Injerlik? Corsica?

              I do not understand, am I talking to a 5 year old child now?
              Quote: Stas157
              And the main question! Can this be done with impunity?

              I answer you, of course not, but then there will be 3 world hi
              Quote: Stas157

              Is talking! About crucifix ..., negligence! About nothing else!

              Oh yes, we are to blame. Erdogan agrees with you.
              Quote: Stas157
              If you are in the know, Alexander, share these answers with us!

              I don't know who you are and where you are from, I don't know how old you are, but I'm afraid you live in the 20th century, where some rules of the game still existed.
              Welcome to the 21st century!
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 17 June 2016 08: 43
                +8
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I do not understand, am I talking to a 5 year old child now?

                Well, as usual! In case of not a convenient question, the transition to the individual! And on business, can you get an answer? How are you going to shoot down our planes? AUG and Injerlik, judging by your words? In that case, you are like a 5 year old.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I answer you, of course not, but then there will be 3 world

                That is why the Americans will not shoot down our planes! They are of course bastards, but not iliotes!
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I don’t know who you are and where you are from, I don’t know how old you are

                And this is not necessary to know. You just answer the question without getting personal!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 08: 52
                  -3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  In case of not a convenient question, the transition to the individual!

                  It wasn't an awkward question - it was a VERY stupid question!
                  Quote: Stas157
                  They are of course bastards, but not iliotes!

                  But this raises great doubts. Have they had any reasonable deeds in recent years?
                  Quote: Stas157
                  You just answer the question

                  I have answered you more than enough, because it will be much more comfortable for you to communicate with the Professor, he, like you, thinks that there will be no world 3. Good luck, you will find a common language with him.

                  PS I remember there was a comment from one kredelya-Kishka is tonka in Turkey to shoot down our plane. Where are you Alyosha ???
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 17 June 2016 09: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    It wasn't an awkward question - it was a VERY stupid question!

                    Alexander, if you can't answer the question, you don't have to declare it stupid!
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                      1. Stas157
                        Stas157 17 June 2016 09: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: insular
                        Here's to her. And it is not clear what the planes are going down. With striking elements, they go astray.
                        Striking elements of warheads of missiles fired from other aircraft taking off from an aircraft carrier or a ground runway.
                        Also, missiles can be launched from the mines of ships that are part of the AUG.
                        So see?

                        No, it’s not clear! What exactly are the striking elements and missiles? Will they be able to overcome our air defense? If they can, will it be unpunished? The same goes for airplanes!
                        Quote: insular
                        To such an idiotic question, it is difficult to give an even more idiotic answer, but I tried. Fair.

                        You did it. Fair!
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 09: 51
                        -4
                        Quote: Stas157
                        No, it’s not clear! What exactly are the striking elements and missiles? Will they be able to overcome our air defense? If they can, will it be unpunished? The same goes for airplanes!

                        Well, everything is clear with you.Vsekhporvete -Good luck.
                      3. Phantom Revolution
                        Phantom Revolution 17 June 2016 10: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        No, it’s not clear! What exactly are the striking elements and missiles? Will they be able to overcome our air defense? If they can, will it be unpunished? The same goes for airplanes!

                        The answer is simpler, if such a batch goes, then the airspace base in Syria can quickly cease to exist.
                        1) Google what the number of air forces of Turkey, the USA, and other satellites in this region? How many fighters do we have in this region?
                        2) Google the range of destruction of Turkish artillery and the location of our air bases.
                        3) Google the composition of weapons at NATO ships in this region and the number of KR.
                        4) Google NATO ground forces in this region and their allies.

                        Get an answer. But here already the batch smacks of 3-th world.
                      4. Stas157
                        Stas157 17 June 2016 11: 18
                        +4
                        Quote: Phantom Revolution
                        The answer is simpler, if such a batch goes, then the airspace base in Syria can quickly cease to exist.

                        At what price? With impunity? Judging by Washington’s reaction, our base in Syria is like a bone in the throat! But are they willing to pay the price that will be needed for an attack? And what comes out of it is completely unknown!
                        Quote: Phantom Revolution
                        1) Google what the number of air forces of Turkey, the USA, and other satellites in this region? How many fighters do we have in this region?

                        Are they ready to fly to the affected area of ​​C-400, like flies on a fly swatter?

                        Quote: Phantom Revolution
                        2) Google the range of destruction of Turkish artillery and the location of our air bases.

                        Google the range of destruction Caliber! And answer who has an undeniable advantage? The conversation, in general, was for the Americans, but the maximum that the Turks shone is the shot down "from around the corner" Su-24.

                        Quote: Phantom Revolution
                        3) Google the composition of weapons at NATO ships in this region and the number of KR.

                        But will the Americans want to risk immediately 2 me AUGs?

                        Quote: Phantom Revolution
                        4) Google NATO ground forces in this region and their allies.

                        Sorry, google yourself!))) I'm already tired of "googling" with you!)))
                      5. Phantom Revolution
                        Phantom Revolution 17 June 2016 13: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Stas157
                        At what price? With impunity? Judging by Washington’s reaction, our base in Syria is like a bone in the throat! But are they willing to pay the price that will be needed for an attack? And what comes out of it is completely unknown!

                        No impunity - this will be the beginning of a war (perhaps not a world war, they will agree to solve everything in the Middle East theater of operations, without taking it beyond its borders). And with an unknown outcome, both for us and for them.

                        Quote: Stas157
                        Are they ready to fly to the affected area of ​​C-400, like flies on a fly swatter?

                        You know that there is such an expression "Permissible losses", in war they always exist. The S-400 is not a lifesaver, any air defense can be overcome, the question here is the quantity and the funds spent on this overcoming. The forces and means are available for this, well, even if they are afraid of the S-400, they will arrange a ground operation with the hands of Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc. (Israel seems to be out of the game, but advises on overcoming the s-300 and, moreover, the exercises are carried out on the Greek complexes)

                        Quote: Stas157
                        Google the range of destruction Caliber! And answer who has an undeniable advantage? The conversation, in general, was for the Americans, but the maximum that the Turks shone is the shot down "from around the corner" Su-24.


                        Maybe you forgot about tomahawks? Speaking purely about the Americans?) Do you think everything is fair in life, will 1 come out on 1?) It's fantastic, the Americans have a NATO-controlled block and its satellites, which they will primarily use, and there are not a few of them.



                        Quote: Stas157
                        But will the Americans want to risk immediately 2 me AUGs?

                        Can you even imagine what an AOG is?) And how many ships does one AUG include and in which classes?) And at what range can an AUG work?) Do you think it’s swam and fired and there is no AUG?) Get acquainted with the composition of the AOG for a start and the composition of the Syrian grouping of ships of the Russian Navy.

                        Quote: Stas157
                        Sorry, google yourself!))) I'm already tired of "googling" with you!)))

                        The numbers are arbitrary and it is only on the black sea.
                        http://http://narod-novosti.com/media/ajax_uploads/2016/6/16/e1a06738-5.61757ac2
                        bc014372a0f74b7fc0b92750-65170900jpg
                      6. demos1111
                        demos1111 17 June 2016 15: 26
                        +4
                        I want to get into your argument. They won’t strike, for sure, they are like a naughty dog, barking, and not biting.
                        I’m thinking about where the boats are now (like Kursk). Something tells me that there, in the Mediterranean Sea, they are hiding and waiting for coordinates and commands to strike at such a large target as an atomic American aircraft carrier.
                        Understand that AUG is shining in the vastness of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, in the Mediterranean it has nothing to do.
                        And with our base, there would be a desire, they would have figured it out without AUg, there they have enough forces and means, in the same Turkey. But what will happen after the Turks.
                        They rage, sanctions were their last trump card, it did not work. Yes, hard, but not deadly. At 91 and even more so at 41 it was harder, we survived.
                        Do not hesitate, read the story, as soon as Russia rose a little, they declared war on us. All I hope this time is gone. They realized economically catching up with them. The strategy of hostile states around Russia is failing. With the introduction of sanctions and the collapse of the ruble, these states are rapidly slipping into poverty. I'm not even talking about u (ruin) with Georgia, I'm talking about the Baltic states and Belarus. In general, I cannot understand what our dad is thinking, and most importantly, how quickly everything changed. How long have my cousins ​​been traveling to me in Minsk for food, for groceries, and now, if that goes well, they will soon begin to carry here (groceries).
                        In general, the west is zilch for a beautiful wrapper. Here are the mattresses and rage in despair.
                      7. Phantom Revolution
                        Phantom Revolution 17 June 2016 17: 09
                        0
                        Quote: demos1111
                        I want to get into your argument. They won’t strike, for sure, they are like a naughty dog, barking, and not biting.

                        Yes, of course, no one will benefit.)

                        Quote: demos1111
                        Do not be shy, read the story, as soon as Russia rose a little, they declared war on us.

                        Well, why wait until the enemy becomes stronger than you?

                        Quote: demos1111
                        The strategy of hostile states around Russia is failing.

                        Here I would argue, but there is no time.)
                        Well, there will be poor and divided states around the Russian Federation, of course, who will be blamed for all sins? Russia.
                        These are migration (they are trying to move from an impoverished country to a richer one "they let a minuscule amount from Ukraine to Europe, the main stream was taken by the Russian Federation"), crime, drug traffic, and other results.
                        Not to mention the fact that the CIS acquires goods produced by the Russian Federation, and the less they acquire due to a lack of money or because the Russian Federation is to blame for everything, our economy suffers. All this as a snowball rolls down and we get big problems both internal and external. Yes, while this is not so noticeable, but the question is, what will happen in the next 10-20?

                        Old Man thinking what? The fact that other people, about his well-being, perhaps he decided not to connect him with Belarus.
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              2. Berber
                Berber 17 June 2016 08: 56
                +2
                About 24 I agree with your opponent. If they had organized a cover, then no one would have been shot down. Therefore negligence.
                And further. It should be borne in mind that if they shoot down our planes, I think the answer will be adequate. They also understand this and the third world does not shine. But about provocations, I think yes.
                The main goal is to discredit and isolate Russia.
              3. Urfin
                Urfin 17 June 2016 09: 09
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Stas157
                AUG? Injerlik? Corsica?

                I do not understand, am I talking to a 5 year old child now?


                You shouldn't be like that. The question is correct. The main details.
                It is one thing that the Turkish F-16 sat in ambush on its territory and attacked on an unauthorized but quite formal occasion. Another thing is an American plane far away from its motherland.
                So how will the attack happen?
                Do you need target designation? which one? where from? - Awax - where will he circle?
                How will the attack take place directly? - Will the link rise from the ACG, will it circle in anticipation of an attack, or will it be immediately directed to the plane? If at once, then they need to know the exact schedule and flight plan of ours, if you sit in an ambush, then where? over Turkey or over the sea? How will these crazy Russians react, because they have submarines and a missile cruiser in this puddle? It may turn out to exchange the plane for a part of the AUG.
                As a result, an attack from AUG is unlikely ...
                There are too many "childish" questions.
                1. insular
                  insular 17 June 2016 09: 32
                  +4
                  Quote: Urfin
                  There are too many "childish" questions.

                  All this is decided at the planning stage. And do not think that this is some kind of difficult task - to crush a limited contingent.
                  Another thing is the words of a general who directly hinted at the consequences: permission is needed to bring down our planes.
                  Whoever gives such permission will actually give permission to go to war with Russia. And his business is small, there is an order - the order must be carried out. Land the videoconferencing? Well, he will land quickly and efficiently, he will not be stingy with funds, and then what?
                  In other words, the words of the general are understood in such a way that before giving an order, it is necessary to resolve the main issues, and not to introduce a no-fly zone in which the Aerospace Forces and Assadovtsy both flew and will continue to fly, because ISIS has no planes (i.e. against whom the no-fly zone will it be?).

                  Romanov's words in the example of the Su-24 are no less childish than the question "how to shoot down". it is one thing to shoot down one plane at the border from an ambush and escape while no one understands what it was, another thing is to "land" the entire contingent of the Aerospace Forces in Syria, preparation for which will be noticeable, and the approach of group goals during the implementation of the plan will also be noticeably ...
                  1. Urfin
                    Urfin 17 June 2016 09: 44
                    +2
                    I agree. This is what we are talking about.
                    Solving a combat task in a war is one thing. Solving a military task and not starting a war is completely different.
                    Until the missile defense is ready, there will be no war.
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                    2. insular
                      insular 17 June 2016 09: 55
                      +9
                      This is not the point.
                      Commentators read the words "to shoot down the RF Aerospace Forces" and that's it, the soul was carried to heaven: "Aaaaa !! We will all die !! This is war !!" And they didn't think about it with their heads and think over the words.

                      The general was asked whether it was possible to organize a no-fly zone. He replied that there is, but the question should sound wrong. The question should be: what to do with the Russians? they somehow disagree on such a zone
                      1. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 17 June 2016 13: 26
                        +3
                        Quote: insular
                        This is not the point.
                        Commentators read the words "to shoot down the RF Aerospace Forces" and that's it, the soul was carried to heaven: "Aaaaa !! We will all die !! This is war !!" And they didn't think about it with their heads and think over the words.

                        The general was asked whether it was possible to organize a no-fly zone. He replied that there is, but the question should sound wrong. The question should be: what to do with the Russians? they somehow disagree on such a zone


                        First adequate comment.
                  2. Stas157
                    Stas157 17 June 2016 09: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: insular
                    Land the videoconferencing? Well, he will land quickly and efficiently, he will not be stingy with funds, and then what?

                    Do not be unfounded, open the topic please! By what means will he land? Will it go unpunished? Describe, don't hesitate! And, then you all just somehow succeed! Like a dash! Don't portray our little base in Syria as a whipping boy. It may not be because of this that the Third World War will happen, but it can be very expensive for the Americans.
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                3. sir_obs
                  sir_obs 17 June 2016 09: 40
                  0
                  Why did everyone think that the Americans would use their aircraft for this? It is enough to transfer or place modern air defense systems at the "moderate"
                  1. Urfin
                    Urfin 17 June 2016 09: 48
                    +2
                    This is possible.
                    But there are other problems. The Americans were unable to find reliable allies. Therefore, it is not known where the air defense means will end up and there is no guarantee that some barmale will not appear on camera with a story about where he got hold of the Shaitan-pipe.
                  2. Egor-dis
                    Egor-dis 17 June 2016 11: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: sir_obs
                    Why did everyone think that the Americans would use their aircraft for this? It is enough to transfer or place modern air defense systems at the "moderate"

                    Will they give it to WHO? Bramaleyam-khottabych? So even from MANPADS to get at least something, you have to learn to shoot. And something more serious on a caterpillar or wheeled track, and even working in a complex, generally needs to be transferred only together with the personnel serving it.
                4. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 09: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Urfin
                  So how will the attack happen?

                  Listen, here are many on the branch who consider themselves smarter than Pentagon generals. Don’t know why?
                  Quote: Urfin
                  Another thing is an American plane far away from its motherland.

                  Poor Americans, poor 800 American bases far away from their territory crying
                  Quote: Urfin
                  So how will the attack happen?
                  Do you need target designation? which one? where from? - Awax - where will he circle?

                  The USA is a banana republic, their satellites do not fly, their reconnaissance does not fly, their planes and aircraft carriers are rusty-WEVSEHPORVEMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
                  Quote: Urfin
                  If right away, then they need to know the exact schedule and plan of our flight, if they are in ambush, then where? over Turkey or over the sea?

                  Lord, -Don't let such people sit in our General Staff.
                  1. Urfin
                    Urfin 17 June 2016 10: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: Urfin
                    Another thing is an American plane far away from its motherland.

                    Poor Americans, poor 800 American bases far from their territory crying

                    Dear ... you do not perceive the context at all?
                    One thing is a Turkish plane over Turkey. The other is a foreign plane over foreign territory. Until there is a war, all the actions of countries are a bizarre game of pirouettes with clubs behind their backs.


                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: Urfin
                    So how will the attack happen?
                    Do you need target designation? which one? where from? - Awax - where will he circle?

                    The USA is a banana republic, their satellites do not fly, their reconnaissance does not fly, their planes and aircraft carriers are rusty-WEVSEHPORVEMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

                    Much respected ... such a hysteria is only in your imagination. Calm down no one talks about anyone's victory. We are talking about the fact that a no-fly zone cannot be achieved without serious oncoming confrontation up to fighting in the air and at sea, bombing of bases ...
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 10: 15
                      -3
                      Quote: Urfin
                      The point is that a no-fly zone cannot be achieved without a serious oncoming confrontation up to battles in the air and at sea, bombing of bases ...

                      Excuse me, but what am I talking about?
                  2. tilix
                    tilix 17 June 2016 10: 18
                    +1
                    Lord, -Don't let such people sit in our General Staff.
                    According to the officers our General Staff, after meetings about Syria, in your the General Staff are seated soberly and sane.
                    Another thing is that there people are sitting
                5. Olegovi4
                  Olegovi4 17 June 2016 21: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Urfin
                  As a result, an attack from an AUG is unlikely.

                  and meanwhile, the second aircraft carrier is not already in Middle-earth ...
                  1. Urfin
                    Urfin 18 June 2016 19: 46
                    0
                    Quote: Olegovi4
                    and meanwhile, the second aircraft carrier is not already in Middle-earth ...


                    And we sent Shoigu there! In my opinion, Khan aircraft carriers!
              4. Bober
                Bober 17 June 2016 14: 59
                0
                There are no stupid questions. There are stupid answers. There are a variety of erroneous points of view, and in most cases they are considered beliefs. And the change in beliefs is accompanied by a comment: - I change beliefs because my knowledge is increasing. Unfortunately, it is not conviction that changes, but one error to another.
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          4. Achilles
            Achilles 17 June 2016 10: 11
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I do not understand, am I talking to a 5 year old child now?

            You are blaming the person for asking childish questions and for his childish thinking, although judging by this quote from you:
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Su 24 shot down, does it tell you anything?

            You are still a child yourself, I mean not in the physical, but in the mental plane
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 10: 17
              +1
              Quote: Achilles
              You are still a child yourself, I mean not in the physical, but in the mental plane

              I don’t even care why Turkey was shot down. I take into account only the fact that Turkey was not afraid of the consequences of such an attack. And now I’m not afraid of sending endless columns of ammunition to the militants.
              1. Achilles
                Achilles 17 June 2016 11: 45
                +2
                I don’t even care why Turkey was shot down. I take into account only the fact that Turkey was not afraid of the consequences of such an attack. And now I’m not afraid of sending endless columns of ammunition to the militants.

                I never looked for reasons "why the plane was shot down."
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Su 24 shot down, does it tell you anything?

                You, by your quote, if I’m not mistaken, had in mind that if Turkey wasn’t afraid, then the Americans are not afraid and can go for it. But it’s obvious that these are two different cases, it’s one thing to shoot down an airplane from an ambush, it’s another thing to shoot down a plane that covers a fighter + air defense, and you can’t do without losses (from the American side) and these actions can provoke a world war, and The Americans, realizing this, will not take such a step, I’m sure it’s just intimidation, they watch us react
        2. SSR
          SSR 17 June 2016 08: 09
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          ... American general:
          Since the IG does not have airplanes, this means that I must have permission to shoot down Russian and Syrian airplanes.

          A strange statement by the general, and even before the senators! How and what was this general going to shoot down Russian planes with? Is there such an opportunity?

          What is the strangeness of the general’s response to the senators? He answers like almost any military man and he understands for sure that in essence it is a war with all the consequences and how the military he will have to foresee all these consequences.
          Wars unleash politics.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 08: 15
            +4
            Quote: SSR
            Wars unleash politics.

            In this case, one can easily blame everything on politicians, but this is not entirely correct.
            Where is the US press and what does she write about this? They wrote what we read. Only here people, despite the threat of world warriors, as they sat home, continue to sit. Europe doesn’t give a damn - football is on. In the US, people do not give a damn. People don’t want to stop a warrior, they just don’t give a damn.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 17 June 2016 08: 21
            +2
            Quote: SSR
            What is the strangeness of the general’s response to the senators? He answers like almost any military

            Statements like: "We need to shoot down Russian planes!" Are like auto-training! You can state this as much as you like, but without answering questions
            . How and what was this general going to shoot down Russian planes with? Is there such an opportunity? Can this be done with impunity?

            The Americans will NOT do this. These statements are not serious. They are not backed up by anything. These are bare desires in the absence of real possibilities.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 08: 30
              -1
              Quote: Stas157
              , it looks like auto-training!

              No, I’m watching one downed plane, some people don’t need to understand the seriousness of the situation. Another downed plane is necessary for me to finally start, at least, to get something.
              Quote: Stas157
              The Americans will do this.

              Of course not, Americans are people of honor and dignity. They cannot do this.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 17 June 2016 09: 15
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, I’m watching one downed plane, some people don’t need to understand the seriousness of the situation. Another downed plane is necessary for me to finally start, at least, to get something.

                Let me remind you that the Su-24 was shot down solely because it was an old bomber that could not stand up for itself and had no cover! It was a "stab in the back"! It was a trap! Designed for our carelessness. Our VKS and air defense systems will not present such an opportunity anymore. In support of this, the S-400 complex was immediately transferred to Syria, Moscow with the Fort was pulled closer to the coast, and the Su-35 appeared in the Syrian sky! Now the Turks, let alone shoot down our planes, are afraid to fly!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 09: 34
                  -2
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Designed for our sloppiness. Our VKS and air defense systems will not present more such an opportunity.

                  The Ameikans announce that they are closing the sky of Syria for flights of our and Syrian aircraft. What we are going to do ? And what will you write?
                  Quote: Stas157
                  ! Now the Turks, not like shooting down our planes, are afraid to fly!

                  Something I do not see fear among amers, as they flew, they continue to fly.
                  Yes, and 4 SU 35, against 300 F 16, F 15, F 18 and F 22. We all wink
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 17 June 2016 10: 00
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    The Ameikans announce that they are closing the sky of Syria for flights of our and Syrian aircraft. What we are going to do ? And what will you write?

                    They can announce it, but do it? How do they physically do this? In order to accomplish this, they need to somehow neutralize our air defense systems, fighter jets and the sea group. But, Russia, not Libya! Without exchanging this will not allow!
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Something I do not see fear among amers, as they flew, they continue to fly.

                    So they are not Turks! They are like our "allies", partners!
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 10: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Without exchanging this will not allow!

                      For exchange, what will come?
                      Quote: Stas157
                      So they are not Turks! They are like our "allies", partners!

                      The Turks were also our partners before the plane was shot down. And the next day the whole country found out that Erdogan was friends with ISIS.
                      1. Stas157
                        Stas157 17 June 2016 10: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        For exchange, what will come?

                        And it depends on who and how will attack our group! You scared that the Americans could declare a demon flight zone over Syria! Well, and write how they can do it if:
                        The construction of the air defense of the Khmeimim airbase was carried out in four echelons by Russian and Syrian air defense systems: the Russian S-400 Triumph and S-200VE Vega anti-aircraft missile systems guard the far approaches to the air base; at medium distances - the S-300 Fort system of the Moscow and Varyag missile cruisers located in the Mediterranean Sea near the Syrian coast and the Buk-M2E land complex; short-range anti-aircraft systems are represented by the Osa-AKM and S-125 Pechora-2M systems; the main objects are the airfield itself and the S-400 air defense system is covered by the Pantsir-S1 missile-cannon system [16].

                        According to the statement of Vladimir Putin made on March 17, 2016, it was planned to use the Russian air defense systems for any purposes that constitute a threat to the military personnel of the Russian Federation

                        And there are deployed funds EW Rubella.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        The Turks were also our partners before the plane was shot down. And the next day the whole country found out that Erdogan was friends with ISIS.

                        The key word was "were".
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 10: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Stas157
                        You scared that the Americans could declare a demon flight zone over Syria!

                        Am I scaring this? I thought the Americans were discussing this, but it turns out it was me.
                        Quote: Stas157
                        And there are deployed funds EW Rubella.

                        Well, I say, you will defeat all without a fight.
                        Quote: Stas157
                        The key word was "were".

                        If our politicians call amers partners, then the way it is wink
                        Vitaly Mutko: "The Russian national team still has a chance to become European champions
                        Stop flying in the clouds already.
                      3. Stas157
                        Stas157 17 June 2016 11: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Am I scaring this? I thought the Americans were discussing this, but it turns out it was me.

                        It is you! It is you who are panicky trying to convince everyone that the delusional claims of the American general have solid ground! The truth has not yet given a clear argument.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        If our politicians call amers partners, then the way it is

                        Why, then, do we keep our reserves of gold reserves in American papers, if they are enemies?
                    2. NIKNN
                      NIKNN 17 June 2016 15: 51
                      +1
                      Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, in connection with the non-standard sexual orientation of the United States, headed by its president, we kindly ask you not to call them "our partners" ...
                    3. NIKNN
                      NIKNN 17 June 2016 15: 51
                      +1
                      Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, in connection with the non-standard sexual orientation of the United States, headed by its president, we kindly ask you not to call them "our partners" ...
                  2. Achilles
                    Achilles 17 June 2016 10: 44
                    0
                    The Ameikans announce that they are closing the sky of Syria for flights of our and Syrian aircraft. What we are going to do ? And what will you write?


                    We will declare that this is not legal, there is a sovereign state with a legitimate ruler, he must decide and at the same time we will say: "who will threaten the security of our VKS will be destroyed" (our president has already said such words once) and we are by all the rules and the norms will be right.
                    Yes, and 4 SU 35, against 300 F 16, F 15, F 18 and F 22. We will all wink

                    In the event of a real upheaval, all of these 300 F16, F18 and F22 will turn into dust (there is a nuclear weapons argument) and the Americans know that from these ill-considered decisions, World War III can begin, and they won’t go for it, they have the main capital and all this will be destroyed, too big risks, no one will do it
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 11: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Achilles
                      We will declare that it is not legal; there is a sovereign state with a legitimate ruler

                      Turks are building bases in Syria.
                      Americans build bases in Syria
                      .Israel constantly hollows through the territory of Syria
                      All and sundry are hammering through the territory of Syria.
                      At the same time, the UN did not give permission to anyone and invited the Syrian authorities there, only us.
                      The entire Western world doesn't give a damn about the legitimate government of Syria. Just take it and don't give a damn.
                      Quote: Achilles

                      In the case of a real mess, all these 300 F16, F18 and F22 will turn into dust

                      I have nothing more to talk to you about. All the best and forgive!
                      1. Achilles
                        Achilles 17 June 2016 12: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Achilles

                        In the event of a real mess, all these 300 F16, F18 and F22 will turn into dust (there is an argument from nuclear weapons)

                        I have nothing more to talk to you about. All the best and forgive!

                        Yes, and 4 SU 35, against 300 F 16, F 15, F 18 and F 22.

                        Judging by this quote, you meant great superiority in aviation and we couldn't light a cigarette, but I wrote to you, that doesn't mean anything, there is such an argument in the form of nuclear weapons, and their entire alliance understands this. It's obvious if it wasn't for Nuclear weapons and air defense, they have turned us to dust in Syria long ago. If you do not understand the obvious things, these are your problems.
                  3. Egor-dis
                    Egor-dis 17 June 2016 11: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, and 4 SU 35, against 300 F 16, F 15, F 18 and F 22. We all

                    All these 100500 F16-22 can be calibrated from the Caspian directly at the airfields. Not that there will be nowhere to fly, even take off. Moreover, it is not a fact that KALIBRovka will be limited only to airfields. And Perdogan understands this well. And also, he understands that everyone around him also understands this, and such things will not be forgiven him. On some sanctions they lost so much dough, they still lacked the war with Russia.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 11: 43
                      -4
                      Quote: Egor-dis
                      All these 100500 F16-22 can be calibrated from the Caspian Sea directly at airfields. H

                      Are you from Ukraine? Now I understand why your army landed in the boiler twice.
                      1. Egor-dis
                        Egor-dis 17 June 2016 12: 40
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Are you from Ukraine? Now I understand why your army landed in the boiler twice.

                        Our army is on the other side of the front line. So, your attempt to go over the "national question" and affiliation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine - past the box office. If there is no constructive answer, just don't answer.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 13: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Egor-dis
                        . If there is no constructive answer - just do not answer.

                        Well, on nonsense, it's hard enough to answer.
                      3. Egor-dis
                        Egor-dis 18 June 2016 15: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Quote: Egor-dis
                        . If there is no constructive answer - just do not answer.

                        Well, on nonsense, it's hard enough to answer.

                        Judging by your answers (not only to my questions), it is generally difficult for you to answer questions. Demagoguery, sophistry and no specifics.
                  4. aleks26
                    aleks26 17 June 2016 12: 40
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Something I do not see fear among amers, as they flew, they continue to fly.

                    They fly there and when they are allowed by the Russian Aerospace Forces. Contact your beloved Google, everything is there, and do not screw up nonsense. All their flights in the VKS area of ​​responsibility are coordinated with the Russians.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 13: 23
                      +2
                      Quote: aleks26

                      They fly there when they are allowed by the Russian Aerospace Forces

                      Come on, show me on Google where Americans ask permission.
              2. Achilles
                Achilles 17 June 2016 10: 31
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, I’m watching one downed plane, some people don’t need to understand the seriousness of the situation. Another downed plane is necessary for me to finally start, at least, to get something.

                They can shoot down our plane, but at the same time they will lose their own, now all our bombers are flying with the escort of fighters, which means that if they twitch, they will have losses anyway, and we must not forget that there is still missile defense there. Only one thing can be said, let them try and see what happens.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 10: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Achilles
                  let them try and see what happens.

                  There will be a warrior! Or it doesn’t reach you.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 17 June 2016 10: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    There will be a warrior! Or it doesn’t reach you.

                    It comes. And it comes to them too! Because they do not jerk!
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 11: 44
                      -1
                      Quote: Stas157
                      . And it comes to them too! Therefore, they do not twitch!

                      Do they get it? Who said that?
                      1. Achilles
                        Achilles 17 June 2016 13: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        And it comes to them too! Because they do not jerk!

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Do they get it? Who said that?

                        Why would someone talk? They say their actions, or rather, without action. If it did not reach them, they would have already taken concrete military steps against our group in Syria, and if there is no action, then they do.
                  2. Achilles
                    Achilles 17 June 2016 11: 59
                    0
                    There will be a warrior! Or it doesn’t reach you.

                    What makes you think that I don't get it?
                    Quote: Achilles
                    let them try and see what happens.

                    In my quote it is not clear what reaches me and what does not. Judging by my above quotes, I am writing in which case the 3rd world war can begin.
        3. Korvin1000
          Korvin1000 17 June 2016 13: 12
          0
          The Americans have a ton of opportunities to shoot down our planes. Together with NATO, they will overwhelm us with conventional weapons. Don't rely on China.
          And we have the only opportunity - a nuclear strike ... it is desirable to do it first, and with all that is
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 17 June 2016 14: 37
            +3
            Quote: Korvin1000
            The Americans have a ton of opportunities to shoot down our planes. Together with NATO, they will overwhelm us with conventional weapons. Don't rely on China.

            So describe at least one of the whole bunch of how Americans can shoot down our planes with impunity! And then together with Romanov: "Blah-blah-blah! We will be overwhelmed by 2 AUG!"
            Minuses are put, but no one has yet described a single option, how it would look!
            They can unleash the slaughter! And, so as to act in Libya or in Afghanistan, do not even dream! The answer will be anyway. That is why they will not twitch!
            1. Korvin1000
              Korvin1000 17 June 2016 16: 11
              0
              I'm on your side. But you have to look at things realistically.
              Firstly, they have many times developed satellite tracking. And they know exactly when and where ours take off and fly.
              Secondly, you can shoot down planes from ships, plus military bases. Add NATO countries and their hangers-on, the same Turkey and Saudi Arabia, take, like so-so rivals, but they can hit the back.
              There will be a response, but the forces are unequal - that's for sure, we are lagging behind technically and economically. Therefore, we will lose.
              So, I’m for the nuclear otvetka, so as not to pull the cat by the tail, otherwise we may not have time to equalize the chances
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 17 June 2016 17: 27
                +2
                Quote: Korvin1000
                I'm on your side. But you have to look at things realistically.

                The only thing I heard among the mass of comments was that they would be crushed by the mass. They have 100500 tamahawks and the same number of planes! No wonder, considering that there are only 20 fighters there. But, they are covered by a powerful layered air defense and a naval group! You can't beat like a dash! There will be a fight they are unlikely to agree to! And, this may only be a prelude. They are not used to walking with a broken nose! The forecast is unlikely.
      3. Thrall
        Thrall 17 June 2016 07: 26
        +2
        Quote: Cheshire
        We need to deliver ammunition on an urgent basis, we will see soon we will be kneading.

        The Yamal large landing craft is returning home from Tartus.
        Soon loaded with a load of good and will go back.
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 17 June 2016 07: 36
          +7
          The Yamal large landing craft is returning home from Tartus.
          Soon loaded with a load of good and will go back.

          It will not be enough, not enough. I feel that Istanbul will have to be renamed anyway.
    2. Stranger03
      Stranger03 17 June 2016 06: 55
      +1
      Yes, it's just out of powerlessness. Pe .... ndos rattling, and Russian Vanka silently wet bandyuk along with the Syrian government army.
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 17 June 2016 10: 11
        0
        Quote: Stranger03
        Yes, it's just out of powerlessness. Pe .... ndos rattling, and Russian Vanka silently wet bandyuk along with the Syrian government army.

        This is a tactic of pindocs: take Russia in a fright, and provoke rash actions. In / in Ukraine, they have been doing this for two years now.
    3. Finches
      Finches 17 June 2016 06: 58
      +12
      The general, or dur.chek, either voices the words of some hawks who in one place he’s trying to avenge sitting in a garbage dump, a Vietnam pit ... it’s clear that the Senate is unlikely to do this, hollowing the Bedouins with karamultuki, this is one thing, but to engage in a fight with the Russian army, even with its limited contingent, is completely different and before the elections, the stars and striped coffins are not needed by anyone!
      1. alex-712
        alex-712 17 June 2016 07: 59
        +3
        I think this general, after his resignation, will speak in a completely different way, they have such a tradition.
        1. Sleepless 2014
          Sleepless 2014 17 June 2016 08: 22
          0
          But before his resignation he can "break the wood".
        2. Sleepless 2014
          Sleepless 2014 17 June 2016 08: 22
          -2
          But before his resignation he can "break the wood".
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 36
        0
        If Clinton is elected president of the United States, then this scenario, with a no-fly zone, may become very real.
      3. Miseracle
        Miseracle 17 June 2016 12: 03
        +4
        Are there just a couple of people here in the comments who can read?
        The general is not stupid at all, just you (and some others) in his words see only what you want to see.
        The general told Congress: It’s not a problem to enter a no-fly zone, it’s easy, but ISIS has no planes, so the no-fly zone is against the Russian Aerospace Forces and Syria, do you understand that? In fact, declaring a no-fly zone we are declaring war on Russia, is that understandable?
        So fools can be called congressmen, but not a general.
      4. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 19 June 2016 11: 38
        0
        Quote: Finches
        Before the election, nobody needs star-striped coffins!

        and not the fact that before the elections. It is quite possible that after. Simply, the "ground" for this is prepared in advance, for a specific candidate. Considering that Hilary Clinton is a psychopath without brakes a little more than completely, she can easily initiate a war with Russia, at least at the local level. And they will support her. So that, in case of failure, she should be held responsible. She's too easy a candidate for that. They wanted to do something like this with Obama, but this monkey got his bearings in time.
    4. Dreiko11
      Dreiko11 17 June 2016 07: 16
      +2
      Officially and has the right there is only the Russian VKS, and the rest can be shot down
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 07: 19
      -1
      Quote: rafaelich
      You can discuss, implement - hell, no one gave you such a right! ..

      If Erdogan read your comment now, he smiled.
      1. Good_Taxist
        Good_Taxist 17 June 2016 08: 34
        -1
        You probably really want to meet "cargo 200" in large batches ???
        The answer for the plane was DIPLOMATICALLY ADEQUATE - the sore spot of these vipers - grandmas ...
        And you need to be peaceful, Network Hawk !!!
    6. Andrey K
      Andrey K 17 June 2016 07: 25
      +6
      Quote: rafaelich
      You can discuss, implement - hell, no one gave you such a right! ..

      Well, let’s say, mattress mattresses never asked permission from anyone negative
      To create a no-fly zone, even the efforts of the United States alone will not be enough - they are on the other end of the globe. We need partners who will subscribe to this. It is useless to carry this idea through the UN. Firstly, Russia will not give a course to this resolution by any means. Secondly, everyone has a fresh "no-fly zone" in Libya, which led to the absolute use of the "coalition" air force, especially for the overthrow of the legally elected leader of the country. There is already China and others, they will also be against this "idea" negative
      Well, as for the star-striped ones who want to establish their dominance in the air - it's just their slobbery desires, nothing more hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 07: 44
        0
        Quote: Andrey K
        To create a no-fly zone, even the efforts of the USA alone will not be enough - they are on the other side of the globe

        The human stupidity of replaying computer games is limitless.
        You at least count the number of US aircraft in the region.
        Quote: Andrey K
        We need partners who subscribe to this

        Well, the USA doesn’t have them fool
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 17 June 2016 07: 57
        +1
        How Come.

        Erdogan if you show him a carrot.

        Total is already there:
        100% base coverage in Khmemim OTRK, long-range artillery and MLRS.

        AWACS + F-15 / F-18 with AMRAAM C7 from Ijilika.

        AWACS and F-18 with 2 AUG.

        Axes with 2 AUG.

        DEPL / NPS in SM.

        There is a cut-off theater of operations, while Khmemim makes its way from Turkish territory with missile and artillery means.


        That is, if there is a task, then the United States will fulfill it on a limited theater of operations rather quickly. However, then what?

        Kneading there a little in another over 50 officials, senators came up with the question - why is Assad still in power? Where the Pentagon and Obama are looking. Something needs to be done with this.

        The Pentagon sent a brave general, who explained point by point what senators and State Deputies needed to do, that they initiated the entire meeting, so that Assad would do everything, and as permission would be, he, as General, would do everything in the best possible way.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 08: 07
          +2
          Quote: donavi49
          However, then what?

          Soup with a cat
          1. Bully
            Bully 17 June 2016 09: 15
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: donavi49
            However, then what?

            Soup with a cat

            Note that such a perspective is also seen across the ocean. Accordingly, in order to go to war with Russia, the guys from the State Department need to be prepared for small things - you need to be ready to die just that. Are they ready, that’s the question! Judging by the fact that for more than 60 years they have only been whining and dirty tricks, they are not ready to die lol
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 09: 49
              +1
              Quote: Bully
              State Department guys need to be prepared for small things - you need to be ready to die all that is needed.

              The guys from the State Department will be sitting in the bunker at this time, and I will be either on the street or at home, like you.
            2. Egor-dis
              Egor-dis 17 June 2016 11: 34
              0
              Quote: Bully
              Note that such a perspective is also seen across the ocean. Accordingly, in order to go to war with Russia, the guys from the State Department need to be prepared for small things - you need to be ready to die just that. Are they ready, that’s the question! Judging by the fact that for more than 60 years they have only been whining and dirty tricks, they are not ready to die
              The fact that they are not ready to die does not mean that they are not ready to expose their country under attack (especially since Yellowstone will soon hit there anyway) and all their allies and "partners". And members of the Bilderberg Club and other representatives of the "golden billion" can calmly move, for example, to Australia and from there continue to build their new world order.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 39
              0
              So they already believed that their missile defense system could protect them from all our warheads.
          2. Urfin
            Urfin 17 June 2016 09: 35
            0
            Alexander, you have a strange position ... Just like in the joke - you "either take off the cross, or put on your panties."

            in some messages you stress the absolute possibility and determination of the United States to introduce a no-fly zone, while in others you write that this will lead to a "mushroom" war.
            Do you really think that the United States is ready for a third world war? Or are you a troll, and do not think that the United States is ready to introduce a no-fly zone or are you cunning about the third world?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 09: 59
              0
              Quote: Urfin
              Alexander, you have a strange position ... Just like in the joke - you "either take off the cross, or put on your panties."

              It’s not with me — you have problems with understanding.
          3. Skubudu
            Skubudu 17 June 2016 10: 54
            -2
            [/ Quote]
            Soup with cat [/ quote]

            But what if the US bothers Turkey and Israel to organize without a flight zone?
            That the Turks and the Jews have enough means to destroy our base in Khmemim, against them we will not use nuclear weapons.
            1. DHA
              DHA 17 June 2016 11: 19
              0
              Quote: Skubudu
              That the Turks and the Jews have enough means to destroy our base in Khmemim, against them we will not use nuclear weapons.

              why not? Israel can go into the water after one salvo, but they aren’t fools, they just won’t enter without a flight zone.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 11: 45
              +1
              Quote: Skubudu

              But what if the US bothers Turkey and Israel to organize without a flight zone?

              Forgive me, but I just put a minus to you. I will not even explain why.
        2. DHA
          DHA 17 June 2016 11: 15
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          There is a cut-off theater of operations, while Khmemim makes its way from Turkish territory with missile and artillery means.

          What are you talking about, in this case, the entire territory of Turkey makes its way from Russian territory.
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    7. drunkram
      drunkram 17 June 2016 07: 46
      -1
      no one gave the right or opportunity
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 08: 08
        +1
        Quote: drunkram
        no one gave the right or opportunity

        Are you talking about Iraq or Yugoslavia now?
        1. noWAR
          noWAR 17 June 2016 08: 52
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Are you talking about Iraq or Yugoslavia now?

          Or something has changed in this world? Alexander.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 09: 49
            -1
            Quote: noWAR
            Or something has changed in this world?

            Interesting and what?
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          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 10: 00
            0
            Quote: Achilles

            Again, you compare x .. with a goose neck, there was no our base and our air defense and air defense group and then Russia was weak,

            Are we very strong now?
            1. Achilles
              Achilles 17 June 2016 13: 41
              0
              Are we very strong now?

              Listen to what the Foreign Ministry says, maybe then everything will become clear to you
    8. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 17 June 2016 10: 17
      0
      Quote: rafaelich
      You can discuss, implement - hell, no one gave you this right!

      You probably are not aware that they issue all the permissions for themselves and the bans for all those remaining with their own hands. And they don’t listen to anyone. As I said, so won and be!
    9. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 17 June 2016 15: 31
      0
      And still. Is this a test for lice or a big war? Hope the "partners" don't do something stupid
  2. axel320
    axel320 17 June 2016 06: 46
    +4
    Maybe it will. What to lose then.)
    1. techie
      techie 17 June 2016 08: 43
      0
      the beginning of the operation against the government troops of the SAR "will help achieve success in the fight against ISIS"

      What is smoking necessary to agree to such nonsense ??

      statement by the American general:
      Since the IG does not have airplanes, this means that I must have permission to shoot down Russian and Syrian airplanes.

      And from whom is Goldfin planning to get such permission? From Putin and Assad, or what ?? They there in the states completely lost the shore, you see. Are they going to give such permissions to themselves? And this is not an incident of Belly, by chance? They will wait at such a resolution for a Harrosh resolution of GDP.
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 17 June 2016 06: 46
    0
    So maybe the answer will fly .... from C400.
    1. The black
      The black 17 June 2016 06: 59
      +4
      US General David Goldfin said that there are conditions under which no-fly zones can be created over Syria.

      It is very strange that a person with such deviations could reach the rank of general. recourse ... though ..... it's the American army ... smile
  4. avvg
    avvg 17 June 2016 06: 46
    0
    The Americans either do not understand that nobody will give them Syrian government forces or they pretend to be a fool in the State Department.
  5. Petr1
    Petr1 17 June 2016 06: 47
    +2
    bluff nits
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 17 June 2016 07: 46
      +12
      They are not bluffing, but are intensely preparing for the arrival of the old bitch, the Clintons, in the white house.
      Trump will not be allowed into the presidency - this is already a no brainer.
      But the old clitoris will unleash a real massacre in Syria, for this she is pulled into preziki.
      I think that clashes with the Americans cannot be avoided ....
  6. 24rus
    24rus 17 June 2016 06: 47
    +9
    ISIS did not succeed. In fact, the US on the side of ISIS are going to fight
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 17 June 2016 07: 14
      +3
      Quote: 24rus
      ISIS did not succeed. In fact, the US on the side of ISIS are going to fight

      Yes, on whose side will they be, if it's their brainchild? Alkaida, the Taliban, ISIS are all the brainchild of the CIA, but that's not the way to go. Well, they don’t want to honor their parents anyway. While they are small, they still listen, and how they grow up, set off for free swimming and do not listen to their parents. But seriously, the United States can not understand that there is no longer a unipolar world, that even Saudi Arabia is already commanding them. Remember the promise of the Saudis to drop American debt obligations and the United States immediately recognized; Saudi Arabia was not involved in the attacks of September 11.09.2011, XNUMX.
  7. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 17 June 2016 06: 50
    +1
    Any American has the right to fly, even in the no-fly zone. Good magical pendell greatly contributes to this process. Our pilots eat bread for good reason.
  8. Aleksander
    Aleksander 17 June 2016 06: 51
    +7
    The tone of the statements of the Americans is becoming more impudent and peremptory. And already no mention of the UN Security Council, only their Wishlist and desire to kill and restore order in a foreign country ....
  9. SAM 5
    SAM 5 17 June 2016 06: 52
    +1
    the beginning of the operation against the government forces of the SAR “will help achieve success in the fight against ISIS

    Well πndosy, well kazly!
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 June 2016 06: 52
    0
    the main condition should be permission to bring down any planes in “no-fly zones”, including aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces

    The "democrats" guys have completely lost their bearings and do not see the shores. And they analyzed how it could all end, or does Erdogan's example inspire any hope? It seems that the American generals and some senators have been ill for a long time and are incurably ill, moreover, ill in the head.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 17 June 2016 07: 25
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It seems that American generals and some senators have been terminally ill for a long time, and they are sick on the head.

      So some people still didn’t have a Vietnamese shell-shock and Vietnam’s air defense nightmares
  11. Dave36
    Dave36 17 June 2016 06: 55
    +1
    Pressure, and the desire to show omnipotence, masks fly off.
  12. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 17 June 2016 06: 55
    +2
    Mattresses have forgotten Vietnam. Our guys will remind. In fact, they offer the beginning of the 3rd World War.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 47
      0
      Well, not entirely world-wide - Russia against the US and NATO. NATO will quickly withdraw itself - with shouts to our Foreign Ministry - "We will not strike at us without fighting you."
  13. alexleony
    alexleony 17 June 2016 06: 56
    +3
    Ted a stick in the den harder, just decided.
  14. Taygerus
    Taygerus 17 June 2016 06: 57
    +1
    so they are the very ones who are beaten to hell, I can’t understand from them there that they are recruiting from the Durkee’s top management, or what? fool
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 07: 27
      0
      Quote: Taygerus
      so their very first and beat to hell,

      Who?
      1. Romario
        Romario 17 June 2016 09: 45
        0
        S-400 and K. For this, air defense is located there. Probing us for determination. The precedent for the Americans is not enough with their downed aircraft. Especially due to them for the Su-24
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 53
          -1
          That’s if the order is to shoot down enemy planes, but you know our tail-set position - this was also in the Donbass, when our territory was fired upon - two of our servicemen were killed and our grandfather was killed in the courtyard of our own house, it was in Syria when our Su 24 was shot down - they all got off with only "tomatoes" - And tell me more that it was not so.
  15. dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 17 June 2016 06: 57
    +3
    Syria has not yet fallen when Syria falls at the feet of the winner, but the wrong one will be the winner ... (Wang)
  16. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 17 June 2016 06: 57
    +1
    Well, let's try, the Turks had an excuse, albeit a rotten one, a direct clash with Russia !? Seen in the United States hysteria.
  17. Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 17 June 2016 06: 57
    -2
    Above Alaska they do not want to get an unmanned zone? Or maybe even a little radioactive?
  18. theadenter
    theadenter 17 June 2016 07: 00
    +4
    If introduced, this will be a declaration of war on Russia.

    I feel that this general has hit a little senility.
    1. Sly
      Sly 17 June 2016 07: 18
      +1
      Quote: theadenter
      If introduced, this will be a declaration of war on Russia.

      Yes, this is a game on the nerves, they scare us. They push us to compromises. I do not think that there are people in their right mind who can decide on this.
  19. BARKAS
    BARKAS 17 June 2016 07: 02
    0
    Since the IG does not have airplanes, this means that I must have permission to shoot down Russian and Syrian airplanes.

    According to this logic, if there are no Russian aircraft, you will have to shoot down your own!
  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 June 2016 07: 05
    0
    They decided to scare the campaign with words. As it happened in childhood, a little boy will get a little lyuley run away and starts to promise that next time he will certainly catch the offender, that he will bring his brother, etc. winked And suddenly they’ll get scared. Like children, by God, spoiled children whom it is high time to flog!
  21. Dave36
    Dave36 17 June 2016 07: 06
    +2
    Do not think that they are not at all all, two aircraft carriers for a reason, will create a rabid advantage, and will close the sky ...
  22. Xmyp
    Xmyp 17 June 2016 07: 08
    .
    You can instruct the cons, but most likely salt Syria as well as the east of Ukraine.
    Although in Ukraine it was clear from the very beginning.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 17 June 2016 07: 11
      +1
      No problem. Here is one.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 07: 29
      -1
      Quote: XmyP
      You can instruct the cons, but most likely salt Syria as well as the east of Ukraine.

      Wait, maybe wait for something.
      In Donetsk and Lugansk, the Ukrainian army stands.
      1. Xmyp
        Xmyp 17 June 2016 08: 12
        -2
        Well, what’s up to you analytics. wink
        Let's see the situation in a year.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 08: 40
          +2
          Quote: XmyP
          Let's see the situation in a year.

          Considering how the situation is developing - After a year, the Internet may not exist. And me, too, if I’m not very lucky.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 June 2016 11: 56
            0
            And you switch to satellite Internet - it will definitely work.
      2. Koshak
        Koshak 17 June 2016 10: 26
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In Donetsk and Lugansk, the Ukrainian army stands.

        What, already !? When!? Is it right on the central square of Donetsk and Lugansk? And how is Rostov on Don still holding on?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 11: 47
          +2
          Quote: Koshak
          And how is Rostov on Don still holding on?

          Putin leaked Rostov, the Ukrainian army is already near Moscow crying
    3. kepmor
      kepmor 17 June 2016 08: 09
      0
      Think first and then speak!
      No matter how I would not relate to Putin, but he will not allow himself this - because in a maximum of a year, after the overthrow of Assad, all this herd of thugs will be on our southern borders. The Turks will gladly assist this, plus they will intensively "incite" the Caucasus and Tatarstan, and this is actually the second civilian!
      And you think that Putin does not understand this? Yes, he read the situation with Syria and Hohland very long time ago. In the summer of 2013, when the fermentation in Kiev had just begun, our military was already preparing the operation to return the Crimea.
      Immediately after the Crimean spring, preparations for Syria began!
      And you "all will merge, but will merge" .....
    4. salad
      salad 17 June 2016 09: 49
      0
      I don’t explain much to you, in LDNR, the roads of the hospital are restored in kindergartens, schools are being developed, infrastructure is being trained, soldiers are trained in military affairs, equipment is being modernized, centers for the development of children are being opened, all services are militia ambulance gas services fire brigade and so on. The republic in full combat readiness and complete economic blockade will not last 3 months! And you say drain drain! Or do you think that they are bumming with one coal and everything is fine? Alas, the most expensive projects are military operations !. If the drain, then everything would have been over for a long time!
      So think about it mister.
  23. Yak28
    Yak28 17 June 2016 07: 09
    +1
    After the collapse of the USSR, the United States systematically annihilated the leaders of the states that it disliked, Milosevic, Hussein, and so on. For example, Yanukovych managed to avoid a sad fate, but at the moment the United States took on Assad who should have overthrown pocket bandits. But here Russia stuck its nose where it wasn’t necessary, a country that was in a coma state for 25 years and which no longer paid attention to, suddenly regained consciousness.
    Nevertheless, the states apparently understand that Assad will win the election, so he must be eliminated by any means, put his puppet in the president’s chair and deal closely with Iran. At the moment, the United States is at the peak of its power and it is unlikely that they will leave Syria alone . wink
  24. other
    other 17 June 2016 07: 14
    +3
    I wonder what these generals are sniffing or injecting? that it’s not a general that is not a complete understanding of what is happening. how these came from another planet.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 07: 30
      +2
      Quote: anden
      I wonder what these generals are sniffing or injecting?

      They don’t smell anything, just the world is ending their era.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 17 June 2016 10: 19
        0
        just the world is ending its era.

        Surprisingly, you have pessimism previously not characteristic of your comments. And where did the evil enthusiasm for criticizing everyone and everything go?
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 June 2016 10: 58
      0
      The general, in fact, answered correctly. I completely agree with him.
      There is a question for those who ask such tasks ...
  25. okunevich_rv
    okunevich_rv 17 June 2016 07: 18
    0
    It is possible to assume the complete insanity of the US general, but it seems that the phrase is taken out of context and the general is possible in such a way, in response to the desire of some politicians, made it clear the difficulty in creating a no-fly zone over Syria.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 17 June 2016 08: 04
      +5
      Yes. There before it was this:
      The State Department called for attacks on Assad's positions

      Dozens of US Department of State employees signed an internal document condemning Barack Obama’s policies in Syria and calling for attacks on Bashar al-Assad’s forces and the overthrow of the Syrian regime, WSJ learned

      More than 50 US Department of State staff involved in various Syrian policy issues have signed a statement expressing disagreement with the White House’s position on Syria, The Wall Street Journal reports citing a copy of the message received through the State Department’s internal diplomatic channels.

      According to the publication, employees of the State Department are calling for "targeted military strikes" against the Syrian government amid a near collapse of the ceasefire.

      The State Department confirmed the existence of this statement, but declined to comment on its contents until the management got acquainted with it.


      And similar from senators.

      Obama and the Pentagon sent the general to the Senate hearings, he explained to the senators that they would do everything without difficulty, but for this they need to close the 3 of the main provisions - give permission to shoot down the air forces, create a base for cooperation on the ground with all Nusra (not that Now, and to the level of the release of gunners-operators from Orlyat or Rangers by him) and something else he said there in the third I don’t remember, it was yesterday at all.
  26. demo
    demo 17 June 2016 07: 27
    0
    It becomes strange that the general of a country such as the United States, instead of engaging in his direct duties, is working as a newsmaker.
  27. sa-ag
    sa-ag 17 June 2016 07: 39
    +2
    In my opinion, we are talking about creating a northern Kurdish corridor along which they want to put a gas pipe from Iran to Europe, across the sea, with Qatar, the option did not ride
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 07: 55
      -2
      Quote: sa-ag
      by which they want to launch a gas pipe from Iran to Europe,

      Who about what, and Sahag about gas fool
      1. noWAR
        noWAR 17 June 2016 09: 00
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Who about what, and Sahag about gas

        Dust remained from the previous saaga.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 09: 02
          0
          Quote: noWAR
          Dust remained from the previous saaga.

          And the smell of gas wassat
  28. bald
    bald 17 June 2016 07: 42
    +1
    So the boil burst. We are in Syria by law. NATO is not. The implications are clear. Only the conflict is again far from the United States.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 June 2016 09: 03
      0
      Quote: bald
      Only the conflict is again far from the United States.

      Strategic Rocket Forces-15 minutes to any city in the USA!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 June 2016 12: 02
        0
        And here another question already arises - is there enough courage and spirit in our leadership to order the launch of rockets?
        1. Achilles
          Achilles 17 June 2016 13: 56
          0
          And here another question already arises - is there enough courage and spirit in our leadership to order the launch of rockets?


          The answer to this question is not given by anyone here (only the leadership of the Russian Federation can give a definite answer). But it can be assumed, judging by the way the Russian leadership is conducting foreign policy, that’s enough
  29. Jarilo
    Jarilo 17 June 2016 07: 48
    0
    US General David Goldfin said that there are conditions under which no-fly zones can be created over Syria.

    It seems that David Goldfin is a strong brake. The no-fly zone over Syria has long existed. The fact that they are allowed to fly and bomb there is called differently.
  30. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 17 June 2016 07: 50
    0
    After the realization of the words of the Amer general, the US presidents will not be shot down by pilots, and the land will rest in peace for them.
  31. GUKTU
    GUKTU 17 June 2016 07: 53
    0
    It’s just that mattress covers haven’t gotten around the neck long ago. All their plans are being fulfilled: Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, etc. .. In the SAR, the hitch turned out, so they are furious. I hope that in our General Staff everyone has calculated and will take appropriate measures
  32. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 June 2016 07: 53
    0
    Well, I think that we will definitely not forgive the second downed plane.
    And Putin has clearly and unequivocally stated this.
    Is America really so pinned that without a war against us in any way?
  33. Holsten
    Holsten 17 June 2016 07: 56
    0
    The general simply hooked up on the statement by John the Horse Muzzle that his patience over Syria was over. And then two more AUGs drove into the Mediterranean Sea and the American general became bold and fearless.
  34. ovod84
    ovod84 17 June 2016 07: 58
    0
    There is one wonderful word stupid people used .... And there’s still wait and see, we won’t guess. I will tell you a secret that nobody knows there are Putin's instructions to shoot down those planes that could be dangerous.
  35. sa-ag
    sa-ag 17 June 2016 07: 59
    +1
    Will they fly under the guise of fighting ISIS, who will object or shoot them down? A "friendly fire" may well happen on the Syrian army
  36. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 17 June 2016 08: 27
    0
    The brain is my brain! How do you endure this nonsense?
  37. 3vs
    3vs 17 June 2016 08: 32
    0
    It seems that an aircraft carrier is being pulled back under this business ...
    1. Dave36
      Dave36 17 June 2016 08: 47
      0
      Truman is already there .. wink
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 June 2016 12: 05
        0
        There is no fog - there is total darkness.
  38. koralvit
    koralvit 17 June 2016 08: 42
    0
    You can arrange any zones above your territory, including without flying ones. And to establish such a zone in Syria is already aggression against a sovereign country, with all, in such cases, retaliatory actions. Here S-400 can create for you without a flight zone.
  39. Dave36
    Dave36 17 June 2016 08: 46
    +3
    They will cut off pieces of Syria very competently .. under the sauce of the fight against IS ... Do you think we will shoot down their planes ??, I doubt very much that there will be an information attack, everything is as it should be. Moreover, our leadership has already been checked for sanity by dropping Sushka ... Moreover, incomprehensible aircraft can strike at the position of the SA, but in general the message is clear ... they want to drop us from Syria ... we will see everything soon, but we have not many chances there ((
  40. John_f
    John_f 17 June 2016 08: 47
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    It doesn't fit in my head how one country can create a no-fly zone in another sovereign state ... and even talk about shooting down "local" planes there ...
    1. Dave36
      Dave36 17 June 2016 08: 59
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      Yes, everything is simple .. The strong has a weak .. only on the scale of the Planet ... what sovereignty is here ... They called the head of the regime, and killed for their purposes. Do you think we protect Assad there? We are trying to participate in the World’s section of the Game, believe me, besides life, there’s nothing to lose in life, but here is a struggle for many years of power, protection of cash flows, ruling clans .. fear of losing power before they take it away on a gun carriage ...
  41. semuil
    semuil 17 June 2016 09: 01
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    And they will introduce, if ours are silent and do not suppress even such thoughts in the bud.
    1. Dave36
      Dave36 17 June 2016 09: 04
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      Will someone listen to us? Look, our sick people were shut down, official (honest fans) by special forces ... and the Britons hrenachat everything they see, they continue ... and mind you, the paddlers can not stand the Britons ...
  42. sergey2017
    sergey2017 17 June 2016 09: 28
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    Quote: "the beginning of an operation against the government forces of the SAR" will help to achieve success in the fight against ISIS. "
    They seem to be raving! The US general is actually asking for permission to shoot down our VKS planes! He does not understand what the consequences will be? States are a country of frightened downs!
  43. tilix
    tilix 17 June 2016 09: 44
    +3
    The passenger at the station stole a suitcase. According to the loudspeaker they declare: who stole the suitcase, return it, otherwise it will be like in Odessa. The thieves became alarmed, brought a suitcase and asked:
    - And what happened in Odessa?
    - Like what, they stole it and did not return ...
  44. Dulat
    Dulat 17 June 2016 09: 50
    +1
    In Kazakh: "boss soz", and in Russian: "empty words"
  45. fan5
    fan5 17 June 2016 10: 34
    +1
    Plan "b" is fantastic: the United States is attacking the air defense base with cruise missiles from the sea, and from Turkish airfields they are raiding the forces of our fleet and aerospace forces. Plan "A" is realistic: they will try it for another week, raise Hilary's rating, knock out a couple of yards of the budget and silence.
    1. Dave36
      Dave36 17 June 2016 10: 38
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      God grant that there was a plan A
  46. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 June 2016 10: 39
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    If you take a pure balance of power and look at the map. That our group is not intended for military operations with any, more or less serious army. It’s not even a matter of equipment but of supply. It is vulnerable. Strait can close or complicate the passage. In the Mediterranean, you can arrange a blockade, Air over Iraq can also be closed. There is only one point that may confuse the United States and NATO countries:
    Any other country, after a collision with NATO aviation will calm down, and the Russian Federation may well destroy the airfields based and jump in Turkey, Jordan, Qatar and so on. And they are unlikely to be ready for such an operation price. Syria is just one of the projects for them ...
  47. Pitot
    Pitot 17 June 2016 10: 43
    0
    As I understand it, do these meridianosovy bugs need any conflict with Russia? Is it really so bad with the economy? ....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2016 12: 09
      -1
      And what about their economy? - They can restructure their debt of 20 trillion at any time and all creditors agree.
  48. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 17 June 2016 11: 02
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    The move for our diplomats, parliamentarians and the president. To remain silent means to surrender. Nevertheless, one must understand that the Americans are well aware of our (and not only) reaction to the statements of their general, but at the same time promote the situation into direct conflict, and this is serious.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2016 12: 12
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      Until our president speaks about this from the rostrum, these statements by US generals can be perceived as a stupid attack.
  49. cergey51046
    cergey51046 17 June 2016 11: 37
    +1
    Shoot down any aircraft flying into Syria. Destroy all illegal armed groups, regardless of their moderation.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 June 2016 12: 07
      -1
      You don’t have enough rounds, Two Aircraft Carriers, not one air base in Turkey and Jordan. And anti-radar missiles and Tomogawks will fly at us in positions.
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  50. achist
    achist 17 June 2016 12: 14
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    Are they there on their "like a radio" quite as if ofigel? (c) Radio Day