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Mannerheim's shameful stigma: from a historic dispute to a civil war

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Mannerheim's shameful stigma: from a historic dispute to a civil war


The decision of those in power to install a memorial plaque to Karl Mannerheim in St. Petersburg (I have already stated my attitude to this historical figure on the pages of the REGNUM news agency: Why does Medinsky want to glorify the executioner of our people? The incident of Russian Mannerheim: the inconstancy of provincialism) at least two serious questions.

Question one: to what extent does the government take into account public opinion in our country?

Numerous PR initiatives are trying to prove to us that it takes it into account, and to the full. But here we have a glaring case of neglect of this opinion. Petersburgers are opposed to perpetuating the memory of Mannerheim in their hometown, this is an obvious fact. Last year's attempt to do this caused a wide response of indignation throughout Russia. However, the board is again at the ready and can be installed.

The Kremlin, apparently, believes that the main thing that interests Russian citizens today is the problems of socio-economic survival. Maximum - issues related to education and partly culture. But the issue of formation historical memory is the work of the elect. Moreover, a case that in one way or another can serve as an auxiliary tool for solving pressing political problems.

No, the formation of historical memory is a matter of national responsibility. Here, attempts to circumvent the opinion of the majority, if they succeed, then only briefly. And for the long term, this approach will definitely be malicious.

The persistence in imposing a special attitude to the figure of Karl Mannerheim to the modern Russian society, in addition to foreign policy motives oriented to Finland and Western Europe as a whole, has, as I see it, an obvious promonarchic component. This is question number two, which also requires clarification.

In the Mannerheim Museum in Helsinki, visitors from Russia insistently emphasize that Mannerheim was devoted all his life to the last Russian emperor, whose portrait he allegedly kept on his desktop. Mannerheim could love Nicholas II, and he could respect Lenin, from whose hands the Finns finally got their long-awaited independence. What does this change in the question of his participation with Hitler in the war of extermination against our country and, above all, in the blockade of the city on the Neva?

Because of his attachment to pre-revolutionary Russia, Mannerheim was a supporter of the early conclusion of peace with the USSR in 1944, they tell us? And in my opinion, in this position, when the outcome of the war was already clear, there is nothing surprising: the natural desire for self-preservation - both personal and national. Mannerheim for her received from Stalin a calm and comfortable old age - enough.

A special attitude to servicemen from Europe at the Russian court is, it must be said, an old St. Petersburg tradition, coming from Peter I. In Leningrad, the installation of such a board is impossible to imagine. Leningrad and Mannerheim are incompatible. And Petersburg and Mannerheim? Probably, if all Leningrad from St. Petersburg is diluted, it will be possible to combine them with a stretch. But is it necessary to do this at such a price?

The civil war ended in our country in 1921, and in a known manner. 22 June 1941, those who did not agree with the victory of the Soviet government, were able to adequately recognize this, standing up for the defense of their homeland. Those who, together with her mortal enemy, went against her with a man-hating campaign, put themselves in a position not as opponents of Soviet power, but as traitors and enemies of their people.

Mannerheim also moved into this category of enemies even earlier. All attempts to prove otherwise, the more so introducing it as a worthy reverence for the figures of Russian history, will lead only to a continuation of the civil confrontation. Who needs this?
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 19 June 2016 12: 21
    +139
    In Russia, a person who has become an executioner of Leningrad residents cannot be respected. After all, it was the Finnish troops from the north, to the last, that blocked Leningrad. Hundreds of thousands of dead Lenigraders and on his conscience.
    And talk about what a "brilliant" general and admirer of the Russian monarchy Mannerheim was are talk "in favor of the poor." Whatever the merits of Mannerheim to imperial Russia, he canceled them all by cooperation with Hitler.
    I believe that the installation of a memorial plaque to Mannerheim in St. Petersburg is akin to the installation of such a plaque to Himmler in Tel Aviv.
    1. dauria
      dauria 19 June 2016 12: 30
      +35
      In Russia, a person who has become an executioner of Leningrad residents cannot be respected.


      My grandfather in December 43 died near Leningrad. I’ve spent two and a half years ... Critters, with a marker I’ll write his name next to the board, if they have enough conscience to establish.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 19 June 2016 12: 41
        +7
        Quote: dauria
        My grandfather in December 43 died near Leningrad. I’ve spent two and a half years ... Critters, with a marker I’ll write his name next to the board, if they have enough conscience to establish.

        So already installed.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 13: 20
          +10
          Quote: lelikas
          So already installed.

          St. Petersburg, June 18 - AIF-Petersburg.

          The memorial plaque of the military leader was removed from the house on Marshal Zhukov Avenue. The plaque, presumably dedicated to Karl Gustav Mannerheim, was dismantled from the building of the former General Staff Academy, Fontanka.ru reports.

          The opening of the board was announced on the website of the Ministry of Culture. It was planned that the Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky will also take part in the event. On June 17, a board wrapped in polyethylene adorned the building from the Promenade des Anglais. The very next day, when the opening was planned, the plate was dismantled.

          This was discovered by activists who came to protest against the perpetuation of memory in St. Petersburg Mannerheim, who during the Second World War opposed the USSR.

          The Ministry of Culture could not comment on the cancellation of the opening of the memorial plaque.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 19 June 2016 13: 46
            +7
            Well, that's nice, it remains to rename the bridge.
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            2. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 14: 11
              +9
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              The very next day, when the opening was planned, the plate was dismantled.

              There is a video of the opening. Everything is installed there
              1. Hundred
                Hundred 19 June 2016 17: 17
                +19
                Remove this scum otudova! -Immediately, are you Petersburgers !!!!! - you cho !!!!!
                On the gallows of the one who invented it !!!
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 23 June 2016 13: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Hundert
                  Remove this scum otudova! -Immediately, are you Petersburgers !!!!! - you cho !!!!!
                  On the gallows of the one who invented it !!!

                  Khokhlyatsky fox decided to feed ... the theme is vkuuuu-uuuseay ...

                  Okay ... prepare a new nickname, a couple of days more, maybe you'll live :)
              2. Hundred
                Hundred 19 June 2016 17: 17
                0
                Remove this scum otudova! -Immediately, are you Petersburgers !!!!! - you cho !!!!!
                On the gallows of the one who invented it !!!
              3. your1970
                your1970 19 June 2016 17: 47
                +4
                In the northern capital, unidentified men doused with red paint a memorial tablet to the former commander of the Russian army and the first president of Finland, Karl Gustav Mannerheim. According to TASS, citing a representative of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region, policemen are studying records from surveillance cameras to find vandals.
                The board was covered from the eyes of passers-by with a cloth. Now the cadets are washing it. It has not yet been possible to contact the press service of the regional police headquarters to receive an official comment from RG.
              4. nerovnayadoroga
                nerovnayadoroga 20 June 2016 00: 54
                +5
                FELLOWSHIP, the grandchildren of those who were killed, on the guard of honor KILLER !!!!!!!!!!!!
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            1. razmik72
              razmik72 19 June 2016 14: 13
              -1
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              The very next day, when the opening was planned, the plate was dismantled.

              There is a video of the opening. Everything is installed there

              Corporal, you angrily "exposed" my comments about Garegin Nzhdeh, seeing in him a "Nazi" who is unworthy of a monument on his land, in Armenia. I already drew your attention to the fact that in St. Petersburg they are going to install a memorial plaque of Mannerheim and asked you comment on this phenomenon, which you did not do, instead, you fiercely defended the point of view of official Moscow, accusing Nzhdeh of all mortal sins and denying the Armenians the right to erect a monument on their land.
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 14: 37
                +11
                Quote: razmik72
                Corporal, you angrily "exposed" my comments about Garegin Nzhdeh, seeing in him a "Nazi" who is unworthy of a monument on his land, in Armenia

                Well, the guest from sunny Armenia waited). Hello! hi I - yes! Angrily exposed! And in Mr. Nzhdeh I see, as before, a Nazi. But, unfortunately, we have lost the moral right to point you in connection with the installation of the Mannerheim board. And against the background of the fact that Medinsky hangs this board, I admit that Zakharova’s concern about the monument nowhere causes laughter. I personally am bitter. You are probably joyful. For the schizophrenia of our government - I do not answer.

                Quote: razmik72
                blaming Nzhdeh for all mortal sins

                More precisely, in collaboration with the Nazis.
                1. razmik72
                  razmik72 19 June 2016 15: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Corporal Valera
                  Quote: razmik72
                  Corporal, you angrily "exposed" my comments about Garegin Nzhdeh, seeing in him a "Nazi" who is unworthy of a monument on his land, in Armenia

                  Well, the guest from sunny Armenia waited). Hello! hi I - yes! Angrily exposed! And in Mr. Nzhdeh I see, as before, a Nazi. But, unfortunately, we have lost the moral right to point you in connection with the installation of the Mannerheim board. And against the background of the fact that Medinsky hangs this board, I admit that Zakharova’s concern about the monument nowhere causes laughter. I personally am bitter. You are probably joyful. For the schizophrenia of our government - I do not answer.

                  Quote: razmik72
                  blaming Nzhdeh for all mortal sins

                  More precisely, in collaboration with the Nazis.

                  I don’t feel any joy from the installation of the Mannerheim memorial plaque, they write here that he is not a unique figure and that he fought for Russia, which I can point out that Mr. Nzhdeh was the same officer in the Russian Tsar’s army, he served Russia faithfully, was He was awarded the George Crosses, he just fiercely hated the Bolsheviks.
                  1. Corporal Valera
                    Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 15: 19
                    +8
                    Quote: razmik72
                    No joy in installing Mannerheim memorial plaque

                    Quote: razmik72
                    Mr. Nzhdeh

                    Quote: razmik72
                    He was awarded the St. George Crosses, he just fiercely hated the Bolsheviks.

                    So how is it different from mannerheim? He also hated the Bolsheviks. But they both loved the Nazis
                    1. razmik72
                      razmik72 19 June 2016 16: 04
                      +7
                      Quote: Corporal Valera

                      So how is it different from mannerheim? He also hated the Bolsheviks. But they both loved the Nazis

                      Corporal Valera, your position is respectful, but not to see the difference between Mannerheim and Nzhdeh is already too much.
                      On the conscience of Garegin Nzhdeh (real name Garegin Ter-Harutyunyan) there are no hundreds of thousands of Leningraders killed and starving, he was convicted of his nationalist views, his accusations of cooperation with the German Social Democrats were not proved. And he died in Vladimir prison, and not at home, like Mannerheim.
                  2. Volzhanin
                    Volzhanin 20 June 2016 18: 39
                    0
                    Be that as it may, this Finn is a character more negative than positive. Calling a plaque in the name of some kind of hostile Papuan savage, when we have hundreds of thousands of truly worthy heroes and personalities, is really a spit in the face of the Russian people and an indicative test for lice!
                    Immediately list all the smokers of this vile gesture by name in the press! To remove the board - let the animal that tucks the Ministry of Education into its suburban house and kill its head about it.
                2. 97110
                  97110 20 June 2016 18: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Corporal Valera
                  For the schizophrenia of our government - I do not answer.

                  Answer. Head. Like all of us. Unfortunately.
              2. tupolev-95
                tupolev-95 19 June 2016 17: 43
                +4
                It seems like there was an attempt to establish something Nzhdeh and in Russia? Maybe I'm wrong. And in Armenia - on health - is a private matter of Armenians. Personally, I carry flowers on May 9 to the Eternal Flame in Akhtanak for people whose names are carved on the plates because they are heroes to me, but Nzhdeh is not.
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 19: 19
                  +5
                  Quote: Tupolev-95
                  Personally, I carry flowers on May 9 to the Eternal Flame in Akhtanak for people whose names are carved on the plates because they are heroes to me, but Nzhdeh is not.

                  Very worthy position soldier Nzhdeh wanted to open a monument in Armenia, while Zakharova "expressed concern." It would be better if she expressed concern to Medina
          3. Hundred
            Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 20
            -1
            URAAAAAAA !!!! - GETTING FATISTON BACKGROUND PID ..... ORGAM OF THE TAVRICIAN COMB FROM OUR LAND !!!!
          4. Hundred
            Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 20
            +1
            URAAAAAAA !!!! - GETTING FATISTON BACKGROUND PID ..... ORGAM OF THE TAVRICIAN COMB FROM OUR LAND !!!!
          5. Turkestan
            Turkestan 19 June 2016 16: 59
            +1
            As hung and weighs. Not who did not shoot it
          6. mike_z
            mike_z 19 June 2016 20: 20
            +9
            The board was opened. Performers were Medynsky and Ivanov. The next night, the board was doused with green paint, yesterday painted with red paint ... Cadets washed. What did the rulers expect? This is Peter!
            Everything written here in the comments was spoken out and registered many times in St. Petersburg. The city was and remains against both the Mannerheim board and the bridge to them. A. Kadyrova. Against! Both figures are ambiguous in history and I am not going to whitewash or denigrate. But what do they have to do with our city? Did they create glory for him? Did they make any significant contribution to its development? No, no and NO! So what ... ???! But like this! But because! And the opinion of St. Petersburg? And we do not care!
            We all just spit in the face. In one of our common face. What are the authorities waiting for when making such a decision? Maybe Maidan?
            There’s nothing to tear on the bridge, nor paint, nor tear off. But for now ...
          7. SergeBS
            SergeBS 20 June 2016 20: 42
            0
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            The Ministry of Culture could not comment on the cancellation of the opening of the memorial plaque.

            smile
            "Russia has two allies: the army and the navy." (C) Alexander III. The media people realized in time - with an ass anchored from naval buckles - it is uncomfortable to live. smile But if the little hands that are lascivious with an ebullious strap are black, it’s really a disaster. am
            I believe the KBF - he won’t allow any distinction.
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 19 June 2016 12: 56
        0
        [center] [/ center] [right] [/ right] [quote = dauria] [quote]. Creatures, with a marker I will write his name next to the board, if they have enough conscience to install. [/ Quote]
        Already installed and yesterday was a grand opening ...
      3. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 13: 11
        +43
        I am from St. Petersburg .. there will be a memorial board, personally with a sledgehammer I will stand in line from
        Petersburgers ... this de.mo will not pass, not in our City. Here they remember and honor those who died for the Victory. We defended the battle with Gazprom, so that the tower would not be built, and this is all the more and more hi
        On behalf of all the Petersburgers, I assure you, if this rubbish appears, the day will not sag! We love our city and we won’t let it clog!
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 13: 16
          +7
          Who is the minus? Respond, we’re flying ...
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 19 June 2016 13: 47
            +10
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            Who is the minus? Respond, we’re flying ...

            Hamsters have no voice.
          2. Artyom
            Artyom 19 June 2016 14: 42
            .
            I minus! The article is completely not objective, devoid of analysis of the activities of this person both in the service of Russia and after the revolution! I would advise, before writing such opuses, to read first the memoirs of Mannerheim himself. As the war between our countries began, the Bolsheviks themselves unleashed it by provocation on the border. So then it’s funny to be offended that they supported the fascists, they had no choice. By the way, about the blockade of Leningrad, the position of the Finnish troops corresponds to the 1939 border, which they did not cross but returned, so to speak! Moreover, the Finns did not go further, but could safely cut the transport artery to Arkhangelsk, although Hitler asked them to do so! Yes, there is a notoriety among the Finnish punishers, but these were not regular Finnish units, but volunteer pro-fascist, for example, the "right sector" in the outskirts. As for the memorial plaque, this is a rather controversial thing, there are two Mannerheims - the general of the Russian Empire and the president of Finland.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 19 June 2016 15: 28
              +10
              Quote: Artyom
              I minus!

              I corrected a little, the article is simply not about the general story, and in the last topic about the Finns and the war, I myself collected several hundred minus signs, but the main message is correct - there is no place for such a board here.
              1. kenig1
                kenig1 19 June 2016 17: 00
                +2
                There are many patriots here, from whom there has always been one harm to the state at all times.
              2. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 18: 40
                +7
                Quote: Artyom
                Before writing such opuses, I would advise reading, for starters, the memoirs of Mannerheim himself.

                Before advising, go through educational program:
                Only in the rarest cases does a memoirist seek an objective account of events. The rule is the opposite: it is important for the author not only to retell the events, but to portray them from his own particular angle.
                Sometimes the memoirist resorts to a different trick: he not only evaluates and characterizes individual events, but also hides those that diverge from his view of the course of affairs, interfere with his point of view

                Quote: Artyom
                As the war between our countries began, the Bolsheviks themselves unleashed it by provocation on the border.

                Which border is this? In Vyborg? Or near Petrozavodsk? The Bolsheviks gave the Chukhites statehood, but it turned out to be little. Karelia is still needed! And who started the war after that?
                Quote: Artyom
                Speaking of the blockade of Leningrad, the position of the Finnish troops corresponds to the border of 1939, which they did not cross but returned their own, so to speak!

                Before you write nonsense, read the cards. Even the Finns themselves do not argue that they have crossed this line. And their own dirt under the nails. I did not know the history of such a state as Finland.
                Quote: Artyom
                Yes, there is notoriety among Finnish punishers, but these were not regular Finnish units, but volunteer pro-fascists,

                And you tell 20 thousand Red Army soldiers who died in Finnish captivity. And the blockade
            2. malvlz
              malvlz 19 June 2016 17: 10
              0
              You’re still kissing this chukhonets’s father, you forgot in your hands obsc @ scuffled ...
            3. kotvov
              kotvov 19 June 2016 17: 43
              +9
              - General of the Russian Empire and the President of Finland. ,,
              Listen to Artem: there was an excellent boy, he went in for sports, he transferred grandmothers across the road. but he became an adult, he began to crumble people, starve to death.
              so it turns out, we put a monument to a good boy, and forget that he has squandered millions of people from the world?
              1. 97110
                97110 20 June 2016 18: 25
                0
                Quote: kotvov
                and forget that he has squandered millions of people from the world?

                Not just people, but our compatriots, mainly Leningraders. Therefore, the installation of a board in LENINGRAD is an especially cynical act.
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            5. Hundred
              Hundred 19 June 2016 17: 58
              +9
              Yes, we unleashed the winter war, and we did the right thing !!! - After 2 campaigns and failures, Stalin understood perfectly well that the Finns, with the support of third countries, could try to go to our campaign for the third time! - And looking at the lesbianism with Germany rightly decided not to wait of the third campaign to us and in advance to secure the country from the next "liberation campaign" After 2 invasions and massacres that the Finns staged with us after the freedom we gave them, it was a completely natural act. And something painfully fast they moved like punishers across our land. They arranged We had a slaughterhouse in the 20s and I deeply don’t care whether these were regular units or someone else like the right sector. The Finns always considered us as pigs
            6. Saratoga833
              Saratoga833 19 June 2016 18: 44
              +6
              Quote: Artyom
              war broke out between our countries, the Bolsheviks unleashed it themselves

              Before asserting the outbreak of war by the Bolsheviks, it was necessary to study history! The Finns were offered territory larger than ours asked to push the border from Leningrad due to the obvious danger of war with Nazi Germany. Understanding not found.
              1. Hundred
                Hundred 19 June 2016 21: 42
                0
                Yes, they suggested, and despite the fact that secret negotiations were conducted long before the age of 39, the matter was essentially not the cause of the attack, but what I commented on, I myself know well. And I also know that the Finns began to build a line of fortification - Serious ones like that since the mid-20s, why? -When were the agreements on trust and cooperation signed? Did they prepare seriously for future events
                1. SergeBS
                  SergeBS 20 June 2016 23: 20
                  -1
                  Quote: Hundert
                  And I also know that the Finns began to build a line of strengthening — serious ones already from the middle of the 20s — why? —When were the agreements of trust and cooperation signed?

                  Get lost with a running start. And don't lie anymore. All of a "knight" in the English traditions (in which, with a show-off, the "knight" can kill those who surrendered - NAGLOSAKSOVSKAYA tradition - "the Naglo-Saxon knight is always right")) As you might guess, the Finns believed that if THEY are easy , can break their word, then OTHERS are the same.
                  The "knights-Finns" violated their word - so they got it wrong, the naglo-Saxons got less, but they understood - "the Russians WILL MAKE responsible for the market." But the Yankes have not yet been forced to "answer for the market".
                  1. Hundred
                    Hundred 21 June 2016 07: 11
                    0
                    I can only squander in your mouth a loud history buff. And the Finns began to build a line of fortifications back in their 20s. And where does the Anglo-Saxons and what is the right word? There is no fidelity there - read the post and do not write a heresy wretched down
              2. Hundred
                Hundred 19 June 2016 21: 42
                -1
                Yes, they suggested, and despite the fact that secret negotiations were conducted long before the age of 39, the matter was essentially not the cause of the attack, but what I commented on, I myself know well. And I also know that the Finns began to build a line of fortification - Serious ones like that since the mid-20s, why? -When were the agreements on trust and cooperation signed? Did they prepare seriously for future events
            7. mike_z
              mike_z 19 June 2016 20: 33
              +5
              Yes, in many respects you are right, Mannerheim had merits, there were. But, you see, this figure in history is complex, controversial and controversial. The city was and remains against. So why the f ... at such a turbulent moment to excite such a city as Peter and, knowing the love of the whole country for our city, all of Russia? What for? For example, the Finns would ask to accept as a gift at the next "act of love2" to us, well, wherever it went ... They would tell the City how we love our neighbors and, reluctantly, would accept this gift ... But no! , decided against our protests. So now they get paint and greenery, and the unpleasant looks of the Finnish neighbors. What is it for them, he is a really respected person. Nonsense and sheer, universal idiocy and disregard. Once again - I'm not Mannerheim, I'm here I scold those who made the decision to install the plaque, and they will also get rid of Kadyrov's bridge, you will see, although A. Khodzhi Kadyrov is also a controversial figure.
            8. nerovnayadoroga
              nerovnayadoroga 20 June 2016 01: 10
              +4
              Grandfathers ask how their dates (if they would like ...) both on Kola and Karelia ... Take a trip to Murmansk, to St. Petersburg, explain how much, how much, and why, and why !! !
            9. SergeBS
              SergeBS 21 June 2016 00: 43
              0
              Quote: Artyom
              As the war between our countries began, the Bolsheviks themselves unleashed it by provocation on the border. So then to be offended that they supported the fascists, funny, they had no choice. Speaking of the blockade of Leningrad, the position of the Finnish troops corresponds to the border of 1939, which they did not cross but returned their own, so to speak!

              Sing, cockerel. Sing it. Only a very simple question: "what the hell, did they want to return their own, if until 1917 they were part of the Republic of Ingushetia and did not rock the boat with their" independence "? am
              The next question - these "hot Finnish guys" were offered a territory ten (!!!) times larger than what they would have conceded so as not to shell the second capital of the empire from 3-inches. But the fingered "independent" Finns decided - "it is not interesting. We will ALWAYS threaten the second largest city in the USSR." As a result, they got shocked. For show-off. BUT, as history has shown, this was not enough. It would be necessary to go the remaining 2 km to the "50nd capital of independent Finland" and ditch the NAFIG of these "independent". Then there would be no blockade of Leningrad. Sorry for the bitches. In vain!
              Quote: Artyom
              Yes, there is a notoriety among the Finnish punishers, but these were not regular Finnish units, but volunteer pro-fascist, for example, the "right sector" in the outskirts.

              Well, of course! When the Finns AGAIN fell for show-off and whore, they shouted loudly - "We, the army, have nothing to do with volunteers." "Modestly" so forgetting that the weapons of these "volunteers" did not grow in the garden, that the state's army is ALWAYS one, no matter how you call its individual parts, and what is absolutely remarkable: "What kind of grandmother did these" volunteers "eat? " Not to mention the supply of weapons, training, etc. "White and fluffy" Finnish warriors AT ALL did not know whom they trained in their training camps, whom they supplied with weapons and ammunition, fed with government money, etc. am
              I, as complete, believe this. smile
            10. diletant
              diletant 21 June 2016 18: 23
              +1
              Artyom! Well, there is a document Mannerheim's appeal to the people of Finland, where he calls Germany an ally of Finland! Was he not a real and valuable ally for the Nazis? It was, and the Finnish troops killed our soldiers and thereby helped Hitler as much as possible.
          3. malvlz
            malvlz 19 June 2016 17: 04
            +1
            ... and fill his surname on the board with Manerheim, but rather himself
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        3. lelikas
          lelikas 19 June 2016 13: 49
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Gazprom, so that the tower is not built

          And I was behind the tower, it is a pity that she moved to Lakhta - at least they got a normal outcome at the bridge.
        4. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 19 June 2016 13: 57
          +8
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          I am from St. Petersburg .. there will be a memorial board, personally with a sledgehammer I will stand in line from
          Petersburgers ... this de.mo will not pass, not in our City. Here they remember and honor those who died for the Victory. We defended the battle with Gazprom, so that the tower would not be built, and this is all the more and more hi
          On behalf of all the Petersburgers, I assure you, if this rubbish appears, the day will not sag! We love our city and we won’t let it clog!


          Doctor, I'm from St. Petersburg too. By your comment you expressed my thoughts.
          For reference: my wife’s parents are the blockers of Leningrad, my grandfathers are war veterans, one burned out in a tank on the Kursk Bulge, the other went through two wars and died in the hospital in 1968 after the operation, from blood poisoning. A young nurse forgot to change the dressings ...
        5. Hundred
          Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 13
          +5
          Take this action on the video and send me a standing ovation, I’ll look at it — Rooster Emil von Greben is turning in the grave. For the concentration camp in Petrozavodsk and the looting of Swedish Kizhe-scum
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        7. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 20 June 2016 18: 42
          0
          I sincerely and heartily thank you!
        8. SergeBS
          SergeBS 20 June 2016 22: 24
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          On behalf of all the Petersburgers, I assure you, if this rubbish appears, the day will not sag!

          smile
          The midshipmen will line up - "who will be the first." I'm rooting for Frunzevtsev. drinks My dad got his dirk there ...
      4. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 13: 51
        +10
        Quote: dauria
        My grandfather in December 43 died near Leningrad. I’ve spent two and a half years ... Critters, with a marker I’ll write his name next to the board, if they have enough conscience to establish.

        So already installed. The question now is how they differ from the Ukrainian junta, which perpetuates Bandera and Shukhevych. By the way, we are waiting for a guest from sunny Armenia, with complaints about the monument to Mr. Nzhdeh. yes
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 19 June 2016 14: 18
          +2
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Quote: dauria
          My grandfather in December 43 died near Leningrad. I’ve spent two and a half years ... Critters, with a marker I’ll write his name next to the board, if they have enough conscience to establish.

          So already installed. The question now is how they differ from the Ukrainian junta, which perpetuates Bandera and Shukhevych. By the way, we are waiting for a guest from sunny Armenia, with complaints about the monument to Mr. Nzhdeh. yes

          I already left my comment higher, Corporal, we set a monument to Mr. Nzhdeh on our land, our hero, and you ...?
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 14: 51
            0
            Quote: razmik72
            I already left my comment higher

            I already answered him higher
          2. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 19 June 2016 19: 07
            +2
            It is important not on whose land but what these comrades heroes were doing. Union / sympathy for the Nazis without remorse marker unambiguous
      5. AleksPol
        AleksPol 19 June 2016 15: 40
        +4
        We have already doused this board with red paint. Now the police are looking for "vandals". Although what to look for them in Smolny, they who gave permission to install this rubbish. According to their logic, it is possible to establish Vlasov, he was normal before the start of the Patriotic War.
        1. the finish
          the finish 19 June 2016 16: 53
          +7
          What surprised me most was how the media presented the dousing of paint on the tablet: Vandals, Hooligans, Police are already looking, Cameras were recorded. Although Petersburgers were more correct, caring residents, etc.
          1. 97110
            97110 20 June 2016 18: 31
            0
            Quote: finish
            What surprised me most was how the media presented the dousing of paint on the tablet: Vandals, Hooligans, Police are already looking, Cameras recorded

            What did you expect? This is the second oldest. Who does not succeed in waving, he paints ...
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        3. Moore
          Moore 20 June 2016 05: 08
          +1
          Quote: AleksPol
          Already poured red paint on this board.

          Yeah, and again they closed the cloth ...
      6. Hundred
        Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 10
        +5
        Yes, to tear this board out !! - and put it on the head of this financial and political policy so that it clears up through a crack in the skull
      7. Hundred
        Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 10
        0
        Yes, to tear this board out !! - and put it on the head of this financial and political policy so that it clears up through a crack in the skull
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2016 12: 31
      +30
      Well, here's the "Ukrainian" scenario in action. First, the "Yeltsin Center" to the one who left 30 million Russians behind the cordon of Greater Russia (earlier the Ukrainian SSR proclaimed sovereignty from the USSR), now there is a tablet to the one who was involved in the blockade of Leningrad. Next to whom? Maybe also Mazepa, who served like Peter I, and then a plate and in general to Hitler himself ?! As far as I know, the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin's relatives suffered from the blockade of Leningrad, I wonder if he is aware of such "cultural" liberalism ?! what
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 19 June 2016 13: 25
        +7
        Quote: MBDA
        Who killed the Russians more, they immortalize in St. Petersburg. Who is next?

        The next will be the idol of the current political technologists of the liberal movement, the state and political figure of Nazi Germany, the Reich Minister of Education and Propaganda of Germany, the Reichslayer for propaganda of the NSDAP, the president of the imperial chamber of culture, Gauleiter of Berlin, the imperial commissioner of defense of Berlin, the city president of Berlin, the imperial commissioner for total military mobilization - Paul Joseph Goebbels.
        Not what? We have liberalism and pluralism of opinions! And even if there is money! ... But the ideology of our Constitution is allowed only liberal! laughing laughing fellow Soon we will see the Goebbels Center in St. Petersburg, as a great figure in the sphere of the influence of propaganda on the minds of mankind?
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 19 June 2016 13: 50
          -3
          What are liberals? A cherished dream publicly disclosed?
    3. kenig1
      kenig1 19 June 2016 12: 36
      .
      Who for the Finns were Stalin and the Red Army in 1939? History is a tough question.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2016 12: 49
        +14
        Quote: kenig1
        Who for the Finns were Stalin and the Red Army in 1939? History is a tough question.

        Troops of a potential reincarnated metropolis. Is that the answer?
        1. kenig1
          kenig1 19 June 2016 13: 02
          .
          Such a stupid answer will not work.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 19 June 2016 12: 59
        +5
        The story is simple as a laundry soap. Difficult - these are your rotten attempts to justify the criminals.
        1. kenig1
          kenig1 19 June 2016 13: 03
          .
          You are hard to rot.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 19 June 2016 15: 52
            +5
            Here he is kenig1 an ardent supporter of Mannerheim, as well as a supporter of the dismemberment of the Russian state, the other five opponents of the Russian state would be calculated. I understand that the existence of the Russian state is like a sickle to you.

            You Paul read the rules of the forum, entertaining reading.
            1. kenig1
              kenig1 19 June 2016 16: 58
              -7
              Patriot, before making conclusions, stir a gray substance, not cocktails.

              I’m familiar with the rules, everything is standard there, he answered the man in his own language.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 19 June 2016 21: 14
                +2
                So are you fanatics? Then just a minus without trying to reach the mind.
          2. Hundred
            Hundred 21 June 2016 11: 16
            -1
            but why is Mannerheim so sweet for you? -he has his plus sides, of course, you can search in YouTube films for a documentary on this subject but he is an enemy-insidious and cruel and does not belong to him in the form of even a board especially on the streets of St. Petersburg
          3. Hundred
            Hundred 21 June 2016 11: 16
            -1
            but why is Mannerheim so sweet for you? -he has his plus sides, of course, you can search in YouTube films for a documentary on this subject but he is an enemy-insidious and cruel and does not belong to him in the form of even a board especially on the streets of St. Petersburg
      3. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 13: 36
        -6
        And I will support you. A senseless and terrible war was. It showed all the failure of the Soviet army at that time. Hatchery. Won exclusively by quantity. I have a summer house on the Karelian Isthmus, much remains of the Finns, sometimes dates come, cry under a birch (probably relatives)
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 19 June 2016 17: 50
          +5
          A senseless and terrible war was. ,,
          Doctor, I considered you a more reasonable person. Are you sure that you could keep Leningrad if the border had not been pushed back?
        2. tupolev-95
          tupolev-95 19 June 2016 17: 54
          +9
          But they did not cry when, after the 17th, they killed the Russians and their Finnish workers. The Karelians were shocked by the atrocities committed by the white Finns and most did not support the idea of ​​a great Finland to the Urals. Everyone knows about the Winter War, but about what was going on between the 17th and before this war - silence.
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          2. Hundred
            Hundred 21 June 2016 11: 28
            -1
            Exactly !!!!! - to the point !!!! - and ..... strange .... yes ... strange that the Finns are silent about this ... and 2 trips to Karelia in the 20s ... modestly so silent ...
        3. SergeBS
          SergeBS 20 June 2016 22: 08
          -1
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          And I will support you. A senseless and terrible war was. Showed all the failure of the Soviet army at that time

          Uh-huh. It was because of the "incapacity" that Mannerheim was HAPPY that he was not finished off. They just stopped 50 km from the "last frontier" of the "great independent" Finns and warned - "next time, EVERYONE will die."
          As a result, as many as three "independent" pro-Balt republics happily parted their knees about their "independence". They saw what happens if the "rights to download" as "invincible and independent" Finns.
          By the way, this explains Mannerheim's maneuvers - "I'm not guilty, the GERMANS forced me to close Peter's entourage." A kind of blaarodish all of himself - "I'm not guilty, he (the German) came to me himself. And I remember how you brutally fucked me for show-off, so I'm excuse myself."
        4. Hundred
          Hundred 21 June 2016 11: 25
          0
          Well ... here you can agree of course ... But according to the data, the operation, in principle, was developed competently. The time of the year-roads and marshes were selected should freeze, not become soggy, we don’t have snow at this time of the year or not enough it shouldn’t interfere with rapid advancement, the frost was still not very big in our area. There was no need for very warm winter uniforms, no grease for frosts either. The most interesting thing was that the atlases of the defense line were released by intelligence! - (see the film-Secrets of Finnish war) -But that's why the troops didn’t know about them, another question ... But what really prevented the duck was abnormal frosts with snow that has not happened for decades at this time of the year. And of course, as you said, maybe Russian and According to the plan of commanding troops, when moving on flanks in a forest near roads, build fortified fort posts from trees, so to speak, and to control the flanks, for which a big bolt was hammered. And here you have the unexpected flanking blows of flying squads .. And so on . etc
      4. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 19 June 2016 13: 36
        -2
        And I will support you. A senseless and terrible war was. It showed all the failure of the Soviet army at that time. Hatchery. Won exclusively by quantity. I have a summer house on the Karelian Isthmus, much remains of the Finns, sometimes dates come, cry under a birch (probably relatives)
      5. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 13: 57
        +12
        Quote: kenig1
        Who for the Finns were Stalin and the Red Army in 1939? History is a tough question.

        The same who, for Stalin, were the "peace-loving" Finns in Vyborg in 1918, in Karelia and near Petrozavodsk in 19 th.
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        A senseless and terrible war was.

        There are meaningless comments here, and the war was very meaningful.
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        It showed all the failure of the Soviet army at that time.
        I opened the problems in the army. Incapable armies of war do not win.
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Won exclusively by quantity.

        Yes Yes. One hundred people for one gun ...
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        sometimes dates come, cry under a birch (probably relatives)

        Or maybe these are your relatives - Karelians, killed by dates? What did they do on the Karelian Isthmus, such peace-loving ones?
      6. basal
        basal 19 June 2016 14: 15
        -1
        If without emotion, then you are right. Of course, a memorial plaque is a bust. The Petersburg blockade is too heavy for us to remember. Yes, yes, it is memories, for example, my aunt is alive, who survived the Blockade.
        But Mannerheim’s question is ambiguous. Still, you need to know the objective story. Baron Mannerheim has been faithfully serving Russia for 30 years. His ranks and orders were received in battles (in the Russian-Japanese lieutenant colonel Mannerheim commanded an equestrian regiment performing reconnaissance and raid tasks behind enemy lines. In the first world general, Mannerheim commanded a cavalry division and participated in the Brusilovsky breakthrough). It is not his fault that grandfather Lenin gave the Finns a border along the Sestra River. He did not initiate the Soviet-Finnish war. It was his fault that he could not resist the revanchist mood and succumbed to persuasion for an alliance with Hitler. Yes, he is indirectly to blame for the blockade, but it should also be taken into account that the Finns went to the old border and showed no more activity, and German troops did not miss. Agree - mitigating circumstances ...
        In general, the issue requires study and study. Let historians do it. Well, maybe by joint efforts with the Finns to organize the exhibition, it would be interesting to look at the original documents
        And with the board, yes, it didn’t work out very well, and nobody was going to ask us.
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 19 June 2016 14: 32
          +10
          Quote: basal
          If without emotion, then you are right. Of course, a memorial plaque is a bust. The Petersburg blockade is too heavy for us to remember.

          So our government, represented by Medinsky and Ivanov, "offers" us to forget "offenses" and, as in a cartoon about Leopold: "Guys, let's live together." Otherwise, they will not be taken to Europe and Putin's project "from Lisbon to Vladivostok" will not take place, and this is LIBERAL SRAAD!
          1. basal
            basal 19 June 2016 14: 53
            +19
            No, this is a provocation.
            Sorry, I go to Finland a little less often than to the country. Finns and herds graze in our herds. Relations in general are cold-friendly. At least Finn can always be distinguished from an Estonian disguised as him. wink For the Finns, Mannerheim is a national hero. But perhaps an even bigger hero for them is the Russian emperor Alexander, the founder of the Principality of Finland, as a state. The grandfather of Lenin, who gave them independence, is also respected. Stalin is not tolerated for obvious reasons. Those. Finns are quite objective, although they see the story from their perspective.
            And now the question:
            - What will happen if they leave the tablet?
            Answer:
            - Flaming protests of patriots, especially in St. Petersburg. Howling in the Finnish media, as Russian Finns hate.
            One more question:
            - What will happen if the tablet is removed?
            Answer: Howl in the Finnish media, as Russian Finns hate.
            Well, and who needed this provocation in conditions of tense relations with Europe?
            I have no answer.
            1. mihasik
              mihasik 19 June 2016 16: 26
              +9
              Quote: basal
              No, this is a provocation.

              Provocation?
              From whom? Who was present at the grand opening of this "tablet", not representatives of the current government? Do you think the government provokes itself? laughing Or does Putin no longer control anyone in his circle?
              And who opened it for the grand opening of the Yeltsin Center? And you don't understand who needs it? lol
              1. Volzhanin
                Volzhanin 20 June 2016 18: 55
                0
                Yeah, handwriting edrosikov can not be confused with anything.
                I hope the people will draw the right conclusions.
            2. SergeBS
              SergeBS 21 June 2016 00: 02
              0
              Quote: basal
              Well, and who needed this provocation in conditions of tense relations with Europe?

              A very simple answer is for those who could not stand their TEETH butt. The provocation SHOULD be answered simply - "once again you bark and you will choke on your teeth." And not to pose as white and fluffy, who "piss in the eyes - God's dew." The more we concede, the weaker we are considered.
              Just once "in bulk" on the US EM in the Baltic Sea - they will immediately stop rasping the bread. Impunity for pontoon carriers is dangerous. Borze. Therefore, it is simply necessary to confront them with the fact - they galloped "to defend the national interests of the United States in the Baltic Sea - well, just get into the national US-ovskoe slurp, next time you will defend your interests next to YOUR coast."
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 14: 50
          +13
          Quote: basal
          Baron Mannerheim has been faithfully serving Russia for 30 years. His ranks and orders were received in battles (in the Russian-Japanese lieutenant colonel Mannerheim commanded a horse regiment performing reconnaissance and raid tasks behind enemy lines. In the first world general, Mannerheim commanded a cavalry division, participated in the Brusilovsky breakthrough).

          And besides this, he shot his former comrades in arms as soon as the political situation changed and "titles and orders" did not prevent him in this matter. Do you want such a colleague, colleague and brother in arms?
          Quote: basal
          It is not his fault that grandfather Lenin gave the Finns a border along the Sestra River.

          Well Duc and would sit outside the "border on the Sestra River." Why the hell is he climbing into Karelia, peace-loving, kind and just like that? Also "from mozha to mozha" wanted?
          Quote: basal
          He did not initiate the Soviet-Finnish war.

          Yes, yes, and he did not initiate executions in Vyborg either. He generally watched everything from the balcony. White and fluffy.
          Quote: basal
          Yes, he is indirectly to blame for the blockade,

          Ahaha))) Carl, just Indirectly (!!!) destroyed 800000 people with his modeled sidekick Adik.
          Quote: basal
          that the Finns went to the old border and showed no more activity

          Who told you this crap? Look at the cards!
          Quote: basal
          In general, the issue requires study and study.

          Everything is already worked out and studied without you.
          1. basal
            basal 19 June 2016 16: 09
            .
            Valera! Facts to the studio !!!
            Whom and when of the "former comrades in arms" did Mannerheim shoot?
            How could he sit on the border along the Sestra River if the Finns were impolitely kicked out of there. Have you heard anything about the "winter" war?
            Photo of Mannerheim watching the shootings in Vyborg in the studio. Well, at least when it was that ...
            Mannerheim personally destroyed 800000, or shared with Adik? The layout, provide who is responsible for what.
            I’ll explain on the topic of crap and viewing maps, I mean the front line on the Karelian Isthmus, but what did you think?

            Well, on the topic worked out and studied - big doubts - you do not know. Learn, my friend, study.
            1. Hundred
              Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 18
              +14
              Do you know, dear Petrozavodsk, do you know the city? -Has it ever been for Finns and all of Karelia was it? -What are you talking about rubbish? Mannerheim after 18, as he and Finland had already given independence, was at Petrozavodsk and committed atrocities here !!! - they drove him out with blood and duck climbed 21 to us !!! - we have a monument to the soldiers of the regiment at the entrance to the city (not I remember the number) where they at this line of defense from the Finns defended our city !!! Rooster and with your crest Mannerheim!
            2. Hundred
              Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 18
              +2
              Do you know, dear Petrozavodsk, do you know the city? -Has it ever been for Finns and all of Karelia was it? -What are you talking about rubbish? Mannerheim after 18, as he and Finland had already given independence, was at Petrozavodsk and committed atrocities here !!! - they drove him out with blood and duck climbed 21 to us !!! - we have a monument to the soldiers of the regiment at the entrance to the city (not I remember the number) where they at this line of defense from the Finns defended our city !!! Mitukh and with your crest Mannerheim!
              1. mihasik
                mihasik 19 June 2016 16: 50
                +9
                Quote: Hundert
                did he ever belong to the Finns and all of Karelia was it? -What are you bullshit about?

                This is not rubbish, these are the consequences of the consistent policy of the authorities to liberolize, desovitize and debilitate the country.
                1. Hundred
                  Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 57
                  +5
                  I guess you're right ... It was easier for a friend to write than to think ...
                  1. Corporal Valera
                    Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 19: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: basal
                    Valera! Facts in the studio! Who and when of the "former comrades in arms" was shot by Mannerheim?

                    From the diary of Anna Faustin, about the events of April 1918 in Vyborg:
                    “Daily death sentences were imposed, carried out on ramparts or in the courtyard of barracks. But we did not hear shots and did not see executions.
                    Everyone is deeply saddened by the speed with which people were sent to eternity. Among them are many innocents. The saddest thing was that the Russian officers — our friends and supporters of the whites — went the same way of death. ”

                    Quote: Hundert
                    Do you know, dear Petrozavodsk, do you know the city? -Has it ever been for Finns and all of Karelia was it? -What are you talking about rubbish?

                    Comrade's knowledge starts at 39 yes
                    Quote: basal
                    I mean the front line on the Karelian Isthmus, but what do you think?
                    And there too. Yeah.
            3. tupolev-95
              tupolev-95 19 June 2016 18: 00
              +5
              Learn your native history so you don’t look so stupid. It seems that half of the comments from the victims of the exam - except for the Winter War, do not know anything.
              1. Hundred
                Hundred 19 June 2016 18: 30
                +7
                You are the victim of an abortion. I live in a hero in Karelia !!! - Petrozavodsk !!!! and I know more about you here and how it happened from 18 to 41. And I know about the 6 concentration camps by hearsay and what the Finns did here too.
              2. Todessichel
                Todessichel 19 June 2016 18: 34
                +2
                Do you understand what you write then?
                We still have a district in the city, the 5th village, according to the concentration camp number.
                Every morning after the shift, I admire the foundation of the camp hut, rot ... yes you.
              3. Todessichel
                Todessichel 19 June 2016 18: 38
                +2
                When the Finns entered the cities that had become independent to them, the Finns directly from camp columns, those that were locals, shot into the crowd if they saw Russians there.
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            6. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 18: 57
              0
              Quote: basal
              Valera! Facts in the studio! Who and when of the "former comrades in arms" was shot by Mannerheim?

              From the diary of Anna Faustin, about the events of April 1918 in Vyborg:
              “Daily death sentences were imposed, carried out on ramparts or in the courtyard of barracks. But we did not hear shots and did not see executions.
              Everyone is deeply saddened by the speed with which people were sent to eternity. Among them are many innocents. The saddest thing was that the Russian officers — our friends and supporters of the whites — went the same way of death. ”

              Quote: Hundert
              Do you know, dear Petrozavodsk, do you know the city? -Has it ever been for Finns and all of Karelia was it? -What are you talking about rubbish?

              Comrade's knowledge starts at 39 yes
              Quote: basal
              I mean the front line on the Karelian Isthmus, but what do you think?
              And there too. Yeah.
          2. your1970
            your1970 19 June 2016 18: 04
            0
            “And besides that, he shot his former comrades in arms, as soon as the political situation changed and the“ titles and orders ”did not interfere with him in this matter. Do you want such a colleague, colleague and brother in arms?” - but this is not an argument at all in principle .In civil society brother went to brother, father to son - and you are "colleagues" ...
            Almost all of our pre-war / military commanders of our fellow soldiers cut the current and received awards (by the way, both red and white received awards)
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 19: 14
              +3
              Quote: your1970
              but this is not an argument at all in principle.

              So he shot the whites - this is not an argument, he shot the red ones - also not an argument, but from whom then is the monument? Do you even think what to write?
              1. your1970
                your1970 19 June 2016 20: 12
                0
                "and from whom then the monument? Do you at least understand what you write?" - and that someone from the current, related to the installation of the plaque, are Reds or maybe White ???
                It may still be from descendants - grateful / ungrateful / cursing / praising / blaspheming, etc.
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 22: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  and that some of the current ones related to the installation of the plate belong to the Reds or maybe to the White ???

                  Or maybe they do not apply to Russian?

                  In a secret order signed by Mannerheim dated July 8, 1941, on an appeal to prisoners of war and residents of the occupied territories, it says: "Having captured Soviet servicemen, immediately separate the commanding staff from the privates, as well as the Karelians from the Russians. ... To detain and send the Russian population in concentration camps. Russian-speaking persons of Finnish and Karelian descent who want to join the Karelian population are not counted among the Russians "
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 20 June 2016 09: 11
                    0
                    The command staff was always and always separated from the rank and file (see conventions).
                    As for separating the Karelians from the Russians, if it was written - "after which the Russians should be hung / burned / drowned, and the Karelians should be fed properly" - then he would obviously have got to Nuremberg. Stalin knocked on the door of Finland, for example, by the 2nd tank army, for some reason I am sure that they would not refuse to issue ...
            2. SergeBS
              SergeBS 21 June 2016 01: 33
              0
              Quote: your1970
              Almost all of our pre-war / military commanders of our fellow soldiers cut the current and received awards (by the way, both red and white received awards)

              You composed it yourself, or do you blather by the training manual? So get away with a run in both cases. am
              After the civil war I.V. Stalin did a VERY simple thing - he exterminated the "partisanship" in the army, the one in which a "red hero" like Blucher could not do a damn thing, and ignore the orders of the General Staff for the reason that he once waved a sword and "blood spilled "(someone else's). For TOTAL inaction and inability to manage the ODVKA and was shot (he was an alcoholic for life).
              And another typical representative of "partisanship", a certain Stukachevsky, invented a "brilliant strategy" of war, as a result of which Pilsudski, with an order of magnitude smaller army, "fell in love" with this captain of the EIV Guards Cavalry Regiment as a kindergartener (he barely managed to escape, leaving EVERYONE who could not quickly run away), and as a result of this "immeasurable depth" the genius wanted "only" 100,000 tanks in peacetime. "A little not realizing" that these tanks will require, firstly, 2,000,000 servants only for the vehicles themselves, and "a little" for infantry support of the conquered lines and attacking fortifications, and secondly, they will become obsolete before they can be released. He was also shot.
              And there were also Stern and other "horse guards" who REMEMBERED their merits in the Civil War and believed that they could send EVERYONE in three letters for the rest of their lives. From immediate superiors to the Supreme. And even threaten the Supreme Commander: "If you offend my sidekick, I will cut off his ears."
              So learn materiel, shkolota. Before you say something smart.
        3. your1970
          your1970 19 June 2016 17: 59
          0
          yes it was enough to allow the Murmansk piece of iron to be cut and bye-bye a decent part of the Lend-Lease caravan - German saboteurs would tear it in a day and that’s all ...
          I.V. Stalin was far from being a stupid person, and the Soviet army of the 1945 model is a bit not the army of the 40th model - after the defeat of Germany, it would have given the go-ahead and would have been KFSSR in a couple of weeks (see the timing of the defeat of the much larger Kwantung army ) However, for some reason he did not do it ......
      7. brelok
        brelok 19 June 2016 14: 26
        +15
        Quote: kenig1
        Who for the Finns were Stalin and the Red Army in 1939? History is a tough question.

        The people and what did you forget about the genocide of the Russian population in Karelia from 1918-1920? The Baron personally had a hand in the destruction of about 100000 people, including children and the elderly, according to some reports! Gangs of Finnish Nazis massacred the Russian population of Karelia without power. Do you care about this fact? Manerheim commanded these gangs
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        2. Hundred
          Hundred 19 June 2016 17: 50
          +7
          They walked and burned the peasants together with the children in their huts! —That was the gratitude of the Finns for independence!
      8. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 19 June 2016 19: 11
        +2
        What's so complicated, did Stalin plan the extermination / genocide of the Finnish people?
      9. 97110
        97110 20 June 2016 18: 34
        0
        Quote: kenig1
        Who were the Finns

        And what, in Helsinki, a board about Stalin was pinned to the wall?
    4. Blondy
      Blondy 19 June 2016 12: 50
      +19
      We have an elite from a different state, not Russian or Soviet, and it has its own interests, alien to ours.
    5. azkolt
      azkolt 19 June 2016 13: 57
      +1
      Local gorlopans (rams) need to read a little bit of history, then they would know that one of the conditions of their command of the Mannerheim army was the refusal of the Finnish army to storm the city and fulfilled its condition despite any pressure from the Finnish government and the Germans !!! But the union of Finns and Germans is another matter. The USSR pushed the Finns into the arms of the Germans after the war and the capture of Norway by the Germans, when Finland was cut off from the outside world! The USSR accepted attempts to finally make peace with the Finns, but it was already done on June 23 .. that is, it was already too late! guys, read the story, believe me, people who started this story with a monument know it better than you! Moreover, this is a political issue! And then it seems that you go here screaming and likes to dial. The military review has already degenerated in comparison with what it was!
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 15: 17
        +9
        Quote: azkolt
        Local gorlopans (rams) need to read a little bit of history, then they would know that one of the conditions of their command of the Mannerheim army was the refusal of the Finnish army to storm the city and fulfilled its condition despite any pressure from the Finnish government and the Germans !!!

        Mannerheim, he refused to storm it in 1941, and in 1942 was no longer against it. Only the Germans were not up to it.
        Quote: azkolt
        The USSR pushed the Finns into the arms of the Germans after the war

        Poor dates, all pushing them somewhere, sprinkling them ... And they just grabbed the floor of Karelia democratically and stood up near Petrozavodsk, an original Finnish city!
      2. family tree
        family tree 19 June 2016 15: 29
        +12
        Because they would have gone cold to storm, they were generally slowed down at KaUR, and in Murmansk near the border they were trodden down. You can only write a board on it that you saved him, that the Germans helped to arrange the blockade, which is why the Leningraders were gravely buried
      3. family tree
        family tree 19 June 2016 18: 07
        +5
        Gee, but about Finland to the Urals, not in the subject? Angles in the subject, `` hari '' with a blue swastika came to Arkhangelsk, according to the lend-lease, they did not have time to see the dates
      4. Todessichel
        Todessichel 19 June 2016 18: 42
        +5
        Do you think that the Finns, touching on the sight of the memorial plaque, will not join NATO?
        Rather horrified at the sight of the black bolt, they nevertheless slowly creep into it (at best).
        Flirting with these nonhumans (I mean this is not just Finns), the topic is already battered, the rake on a dumb head went for a walk.
        Bending, bending, still bending?
        We are already half-witted.
        1. family tree
          family tree 19 June 2016 19: 03
          +1
          When did the Arkhangelsk semi-cans stand? They dumped all the rye into the army, patsyony with rafts along the Dvina, aspen bark themselves, in the villages, it turns out edible, it turns out, whoever gets it, for starving, in Arkhangelsk, maybe even less than in Leningrad, just grabbed
          1. family tree
            family tree 19 June 2016 19: 28
            +1
            Do not, nafig, die like that standing, even for relatives, and for the sake of those with a bow in the bosom that is on Solovki, they are also for their homeland.
            1. family tree
              family tree 19 June 2016 19: 51
              +2
              I’ll write in a fever, and then I think, it’s like from the north, it should be more cool, think over words, and to hell with it, come off my soul, let it be.
        2. your1970
          your1970 19 June 2016 20: 26
          +3
          Steel also caved in 1945 ??? - when in a couple of weeks (see the glorious Kwantung Army) it could technically crush any EUROPEAN army like a bug, regardless of its power and arrogance? Or do you think that the Red Army, like at the beginning of the Finnish army, would have beaten its head into the gates (even then they got together and have completed all the tasks)? or all the same would have eaten the Finnish army like a rat dog snack, quickly and death, not paying attention to the victim's jerking?

          But no - IV Stalin WHY SOMEONE chose not to tear the Finns for all past sins, not to judge Mannerheim in Nuremberg, but began to make friends and make good friends - so the Finns were in the forefront of trade with the USSR ....
      5. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 19 June 2016 19: 32
        +7
        Quote: azkolt
        Local gorlopans (sheep) need to read at least a little bit of history, then they would know


        “Upon learning of the protest expressed by the German envoy against Mannerheim's intentions to withdraw from the war, the latter answered harshly:“ He once convinced us that with German help we will defeat Russia. That did not happen. Now Russia is strong and Finland is very weak. So let him now disentangle the brewed porridge "(c) In my opinion, everything is unambiguous in this phrase, it looks like a voluntary embrace. What would happen to Russia if Germany won (in alliance with the Finns) everyone understands.
        1. family tree
          family tree 19 June 2016 20: 21
          +2
          It’s necessary to swear allegiance to the country, and not to the emperor, my USSR, it still seems to be in force, although there is no USSR, this, there is no emperor, it’s free, but what you’ve been taught and contented,
      6. Hundred
        Hundred 20 June 2016 11: 12
        0
        My dear, I know about the conditions for the Finns to enter the war on the side of Germany, and what? What does ent prove? Is it that a person who reached Petrozavodsk and took all part in the blockade of Leningrad, who committed genocide in Petrozavodsk — who only took the Russian population away and turned the city into a continuous concentration camp for them — is worthy as an enemy in that war to decorate Leningradskaya Street with his physiognomy? Mannerheim secretly informed during the war and our special services about the upcoming Germans operations in the Baltic! -But it doesn’t change anything! -He just felt the ways of not invading the Russians into Finnish territory with the subsequent accession to the USSR and the loss of sovereignty — he was a competent politician and military man part-time was still a MORAL freak who hated everything Russian! -On his order, they ordered to raid KIZHI! -to destroy an architectural monument-which the Finns had previously plundered by taking out icons from there, which had to be sawed-widened the doors of the cathedral and only the Finnish pilot flew to the bombing seeing winter beauty from above regretted and did not drop bombs, this is his interview, his personal words !!! so you are Negorlopan a lover of history and monuments to opponents on our land, go where you don’t need a map !!!
      7. Hundred
        Hundred 20 June 2016 11: 12
        0
        My dear, I know about the conditions for the Finns to enter the war on the side of Germany, and what? What does ent prove? Is it that a person who reached Petrozavodsk and took all part in the blockade of Leningrad, who committed genocide in Petrozavodsk — who only took the Russian population away and turned the city into a continuous concentration camp for them — is worthy as an enemy in that war to decorate Leningradskaya Street with his physiognomy? Mannerheim secretly informed during the war and our special services about the upcoming Germans operations in the Baltic! -But it doesn’t change anything! -He just felt the ways of not invading the Russians into Finnish territory with the subsequent accession to the USSR and the loss of sovereignty — he was a competent politician and military man part-time was still a MORAL freak who hated everything Russian! -On his order, they ordered to raid KIZHI! -to destroy an architectural monument-which the Finns had previously plundered by taking out icons from there, which had to be sawed-widened the doors of the cathedral and only the Finnish pilot flew to the bombing seeing winter beauty from above regretted and did not drop bombs, this is his interview, his personal words !!! so you are Negorlopan a lover of history and monuments to opponents on our land, go where you don’t need a map !!!
    6. zennon
      zennon 19 June 2016 14: 50
      +12
      Quote: sever.56
      I believe that the installation of a memorial plaque to Mannerheim in St. Petersburg is akin to the installation of such a plaque to Himmler in Tel Aviv.

      I’ll add my own five kopecks. On June 14, 2007, to the 140th anniversary of the birth of K. G. Mannerheim, a bust of Kavalergard Mannerheim was already installed in St. Petersburg. It is curious that the author of the bust is Azerbaijani Aydin Aliyev. And in Finland, a series about life was shot Manerheim. So there he was played by the Negro Talley Savalos Otieno (well, spilled Chukhonets!):
    7. Guardsman
      Guardsman 19 June 2016 15: 38
      -5
      We got losers from history like you,
      read here so you don’t grind nonsense
      .
      How Mannerheim "saved" Leningrad
      .
      After the Second World War, leaders of countries that were satellites of Germany were executed. Some were hanged, others were shot. There was only one exception - the commander in chief of the Finnish army, Karl Mannerheim. He was not punished, even, on the contrary, raised. At the request of Joseph Stalin, Mannerheim was elected President of Finland. And it was with him that the Soviet Union concluded a peace treaty. And in our time, Vladimir Putin laid flowers on the grave of the baron in Helsinki. Why is this love for Karl Mannerheim?

      http://www.istpravda.ru/digest/7215/
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 19 June 2016 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: Guardsman
        After the Second World War, leaders of countries that were satellites of Germany were executed.

        Especially Horthy and Peten ...
    8. Hundred
      Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 03
      +9
      Von Mannerheim was blocking and not quite a cock, he was a programmer, he left a loophole in case of loss. And so he already has his hands on his neck in blood from 19-21, 2 trips to Karelia, etc.
    9. Hundred
      Hundred 19 June 2016 16: 03
      +2
      Von Mannerheim was blocking and not quite a cock, he was a programmer, he left a loophole in case of loss. And so he already has his hands on his neck in blood from 19-21, 2 trips to Karelia, etc.
    10. vladfill
      vladfill 19 June 2016 16: 09
      +9
      It’s not the first time for the authorities to quietly impost: a monument to Stolypin at the executed building of the Supreme Council, a plaque to the ruffian Yegorka,
      EBNocenter in Sverdlovsk, a memorial plaque to Mannerheim in Leningrad is not the first memorable sign to him, but to the general
      Shkuro, Kolchak, and romantic kinuhi to Japanese bears and other, other, other, other ......
    11. papas-57
      papas-57 19 June 2016 18: 38
      0
      Next will be Adolf Iloisevich Avenue. The time has gone. Who is the first to offer?
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    13. Mic1969
      Mic1969 19 June 2016 19: 21
      0
      It seems to me that if the whole house in which Mannerheim lived was intact, then let a memorial plaque hang on it. But on this board should be displayed all the facts of his biography (including the blockade of Leningrad) and not only his love for Nicholas.
    14. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 10: 07
      -1
      you would, ignoramuses, first study history, and then bark.
      It was because of Mannerheim’s tough stance that the Finns did not go beyond a certain line during the blockade of Leningrad. This, in essence, was an important factor that determined that the city was not taken and supply was well established. Also, Mannerheim was very negative about the bombing, in fact, of the city. Also, you should study what Mannerheim did not agree to when Hitler persuaded him before the war with the USSR.
      One can argue for a long time about the reasons why he did this. He was not a friend - it is a fact, however, that Leningrad did not share the fate of Stalingrad, to a large extent a consequence of his decisions.
      Again, well, put a memorial plaque - it is important what they want to write there.
      If they write that he was faithful to Nicholas 2 or saved Leningrad, this is nonsense that does not need to be posted. If they write that he could refrain from war crimes and therefore Leningrad received less damage - this is true.
      Also, do not forget that, thanks to Mannerheim’s accommodatingness, the USSR was able to free up large forces to attack Germany at the end of the war.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 June 2016 16: 51
        0
        Quote: yehat
        It was because of Mannerheim’s tough stance that the Finns did not go beyond a certain line during the blockade of Leningrad.

        This is not a tough stance, but a recognition of the impossibility of breaking through the isthmus to Leningrad. On the third day of the battles near Sestroretsk and Beloostrov, Mannerheim realized that he would not succeed in breaking through the KaUR - and issued a stop order. But only for the Karelian Isthmus - north of Ladoga, the Finns continued to advance, and stopped them only on the Svir.
        Quote: yehat
        Also, Mannerheim was very negative about the bombing, in fact, of the city.

        Probably because the Finns had nothing to bombard the city.
        Quote: yehat
        If they write that he could refrain from war crimes and therefore Leningrad received less damage - this is true.

        Need not be passed off as virtue. The Finns on the Karelian Isthmus stood on the old border and did not fire at the city only because they did not have the heavy artillery necessary to break through the KaUR and shell Leningrad. And also because of the activity of the coastal and naval artillery of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet. Especially from northern forts, such as the same island "Totleben" and "Obruchev", which simply did not have other targets in the shelling sectors and which, back in the 30s, planned to interact with KaUR (4 NP spotters were equipped long before the war). smile
        In these difficult September days of fighting near Beloostrov, only artillery forts fired about 2000 medium and large caliber shells at the enemy. With the support of continuous powerful aimed artillery fire of the coastal defense of the Kronstadt sector, the troops of the 23rd army, including parts of the Karelian fortified area, and marine units stopped the enemy near the Sestra River.
        Organized in August 1941 by order of the KBF command, the northern group of correctional posts (commander - Captain D. A. Batsiev) received its first baptism of fire in the battles near Beloostrov. Captain Batsiev, together with communications sailors Blinov and Stepanov, personally adjusted the fire from an observation post arranged at the factory pipe of the Voskov plant in the city of Sestroretsk. Lieutenant N. A. Shurygin, the commander of the central communications post of the corps, adjusted the fire of the Northern Forts and led the communications.
        1. yehat
          yehat 20 June 2016 18: 45
          +1
          Kuznetsov in the book wrote about the counter-battery war near Leningrad, its effect was small
          as a rule, the battery was silenced, but it stopped only for a while and then continued to fire. Especially, this concerned mobile and railway artillery. With a long siege, there was no difference in how long the shells would be fired. Direct hits were and were guns destroyed, but overall it was rare. Trained, the forces of others fired several shots and calmed down before the otvetka arrives.

          Finns with field artillery didn’t have enough shells, however, they could replenish artillery and shells without any problems at the expense of the Germans, but they didn’t.
          Moreover, the Finns could secretly let down monitors with powerful artillery (notorious Väinemäinen, for example) to shell the city, but they were limited only to actions on the periphery. In general, there were a lot of opportunities to push harder.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 21 June 2016 10: 27
            0
            Quote: yehat
            Finns with field artillery didn’t have enough shells, however, they could replenish artillery and shells without any problems at the expense of the Germans, but they didn’t.

            Did the Germans have "free" heavy weapons for the Finns? Deutsch even put French and Soviet trophies into operation.
            Quote: yehat
            Moreover, the Finns could covertly let down monitors with powerful artillery (the notorious Väinemäinen, for example) to shell the city,

            Gorgeous. Bring the only cardboard coastal defense battleship (55 mm armored belt) under the fire of guns of ships and coastal defense of the KBF. Yes, and in the area stuffed with mines (including German aviation). KBF could not even dream of the best present.

            To fire at positions in the Sestroretsk area, the Vanya-manya should be located opposite the Krasnaya Gorka. Moreover, unlike the coast of Finland, there are no skerries in this area. That is, the BRBO with its epic rangefinder mast will stick out like a finger in the sighting devices and rangefinders of the Izhora BO sector.

            And the duel with Krasnaya Gorka even "Erebus" failed - the Englishman left the shells along the shore and left without completing the task.
    15. host
      host 20 June 2016 11: 33
      0
      The plate indicates specific years ...
      Mannerheim was already a citizen of his country, Finland, during the war.
      Russia was the first to attack Finland and what should he do? At the same time, Finland was not too zealous in the fight against the USSR ...
      Again, this was the case, everyone survived as best they could and everyone tried to get out of this mess with little loss.
      At the same time, Stalin did not involve Mannerheim with the Nuremberg trials as a defendant - this also means something. Is not it? Or is Comrade Stalin wrong?
      1. yehat
        yehat 20 June 2016 18: 48
        0
        Stalin was a wise politician and could easily give up righteous anger for a specific purpose that is beneficial to the country. So the rejection of Nuremberg is just not an indicator.
        Personally, I think that Stalin was satisfied with Mannerheim, as a guarantor of some agreements.
        Satisfied so much that he was forgiven a lot. Perhaps the USSR greatly appreciated the real neutrality of the Finns after the war. I would like to advise those who are not in the know to watch post-war Finnish films. So to speak, to feel the atmosphere.
    16. OlegLex
      OlegLex 20 June 2016 19: 16
      0
      In Russia, a person who has become an executioner of Leningrad residents cannot be respected. After all, it was the Finnish troops from the north, to the last, that blocked Leningrad. Hundreds of thousands of dead Leningraders and on his conscience.

      Why does Medinsky want to glorify the executioner of our people?

      Here we are discussing the whole board, but you just need to bring that very Medinsky to justice.
      No one doubts that Mannerheim is an enemy! And then who is he who glorifies the enemy.
      There are hundreds of us here on the forum. And who is bothering to formally apply to the direct chief of our Minister of Culture with applications for conducting an audit on compliance with the official position? The President’s website allows you to do this.
    17. VOENOBOZ
      VOENOBOZ 20 June 2016 21: 02
      0
      But some kind of bastard moves this idea.
    18. host
      host 21 June 2016 16: 25
      -1
      The year is indicated on the plate.
      He became a citizen of Finland after 1918.
      The USSR was the first to attack Finland, what should Finn do?
      In 1941, Finland decided to return the lost territories. Or should fin have forgiven the USSR? And why in 1945 Stalin did not bring Finn to the Nuremberg court? Stalin leaked the USSR?
      People move away from the black and white perception of the world!
      efimovspb.ru site - lecture for the FSB
      Look please!
  2. PKK
    PKK 19 June 2016 12: 21
    +22
    I am against Mannerheim. He is not so much a friend of Russia. Even his heroes are not all immortalized to quit and decide with Mannerheim like this. This story is a clear provocation.
  3. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 19 June 2016 12: 23
    +23
    My personal opinion is how much you don’t talk about any loyalty and merits there before someone, you need to judge matters. Finland fought on the side of Germany in WWII under the leadership of Mannerheim - it means that the blood of our soldiers lies on him, therefore, the appearance of a memorable boards of the ENEMY is tantamount to idiocy (or is it still a betrayal of the memory of your people?) hi
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 19 June 2016 13: 11
      +4
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Finland fought on the German side in WWII under the leadership of Mannerheim

      Well, for the sake of justice, Mannerheim was not the head of Finland. The president was Risto Ryti.
      It is also an interesting fact that it was Mannerheim who headed Finland, when she took the side of the USSR and Stalin did not demand his head as an accomplice to the fascists.
      I don’t know the truth or not, but I read that he wrote:
      "We will only accept such an agreement that Marshal Mannerheim will stand behind."
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 19 June 2016 13: 41
        +5
        Quote: Dart2027
        Well, for the sake of justice, Mannerheim was not the head of Finland. The president was Risto Ryti.

        No decisions were made in Finland without the consent of Mannerheim.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 19 June 2016 14: 04
          +1
          Quote: Rurikovich
          not accepted without approval

          It depends on what is meant by agreement when there is a veto and quite another when there is a right to express one’s point of view. I do not know the whole alignment of their internal affairs at that time, but the head of state was not Mannerheim, but what his opinion was and to what extent it was taken into account is difficult to say.
      2. basal
        basal 19 June 2016 14: 26
        +1
        Exactly. Mannerheim was very influential, but why put all the dogs on him? After all, the liberals do exactly the same with Stalin.
        The board should be removed, but it’s also not worth it to thoughtlessly water the dirt.
        1. zennon
          zennon 19 June 2016 15: 58
          0
          Quote: basal
          Remove the board

          And a bust that has long been quietly standing in St. Petersburg? With an honor guard ...
        2. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 19 June 2016 16: 00
          +4
          Quote: basal
          The board should be removed, but it’s also not worth it to thoughtlessly water the dirt.

          It’s because of this that the whole fuss is hung up. A board was hanged like because of merits to Russia. But this was one period in the life of Mannerheim. Another period, the Winter War with Finland, by no means implies such an honor. request .
          1. ALEA IACTA EST
            ALEA IACTA EST 19 June 2016 16: 38
            +2
            Quote: Rurikovich
            Another period, the Winter War with Finland, by no means implies such an honor.

            This scoundrel was to immediately crawl on his knees to the Kremlin with a request to accept surrender ... laughing
    2. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 18: 52
      0
      yes, part of the blood hangs on it, however, part of the saved blood also hangs on it, because it helped in a series of episodes to curtail combat activity.
      ambiguous person.
      On the other hand, if there had been another instead, in this case would the inhabitants of the USSR die more or less? I think a lot more. Look from this side.
  4. dvina71
    dvina71 19 June 2016 12: 24
    .
    Since when does the commemorative plaque have worship?
    This is just a memory that such a person once lived in this house.
    The trouble will be if we ourselves forget who these are ... Hitler, Mussalini .. Mannerheim ..
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 19 June 2016 12: 35
      +8
      And Hitler’s jaw is somewhere on the Lubyanka .. Judging by yours, that would not be forgotten and put a plate on the building. That is a piece of the villain.
      Quote: dvina71
      Since when does the commemorative plaque have worship?
      This is just a memory that such a person once lived in this house.
      The trouble will be if we ourselves forget who these are ... Hitler, Mussalini .. Mannerheim ..
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 19 June 2016 12: 35
      +4
      For this there is a story that needs to be taught at school wink
    3. faridg7
      faridg7 19 June 2016 12: 38
      +6
      Let the Finns hang with signs. And the fact that this dish lived there does not give you the right to spoil the walls of this house. You will propose to erect a monument to German "heroes" on the Mamayev Kurgan. We dug the coves and that's enough for them.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 19 June 2016 12: 48
        0
        Quote: faridg7
        Let the Finns hang with signs. You will propose to erect a monument to German "heroes" on the Mamayev Kurgan. They buried the coves and that's enough for them.

        Mannerheim’s personality is not so odious. His whole life is closely connected with the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR.
        Yes, he is our enemy. Honest. It's not a sin to remember.
        But what really bothers me .. is:
        1. bk316
          bk316 22 June 2016 12: 12
          +2
          Quote: dvina71
          But what really bothers me .. is:

          If people asked with these signs, there would be a sign not on the house, but on the bridge "a thief has fumbled here and 3.14 zadabol Rosii"
    4. figwam
      figwam 19 June 2016 12: 42
      +8
      Quote: dvina71
      Since when does the commemorative plaque have worship?
      This is just a memory that such a person once lived in this house.
      The trouble will be if we ourselves forget who these are ... Hitler, Mussalini .. Mannerheim ..

      This is a memory to the fascist, now Vlasov can even beat a tablet.
      1. basal
        basal 19 June 2016 14: 29
        0
        No tablets needed, only Mannerheim was never a fascist. Be objective.
        1. Turkestan
          Turkestan 19 June 2016 17: 06
          +6
          And you tell this to the citizens of the besieged LENINGRAD, whose proud were blocked by Finnish and German troops
    5. sever.56
      sever.56 19 June 2016 12: 44
      +14
      Quote: dvina71
      Since when does the commemorative plaque have worship?
      This is just a memory that such a person once lived in this house.


      If you are guided by your logic, then why not hang such signs on Vlasov on the building of the General Staff Academy in Moscow (after all, he studied at it), or on the house in which he lived?
      Look, in Ukraine, renaming is in full swing in honor of the "heroes" - Bandera, Shukhevych, Melnik, Mazepa, Petliura ... And what, - also "normal", - they also "lived" in Ukraine !!!
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 19 June 2016 13: 04
        -7
        Quote: sever.56
        If you are guided by your logic, then why not hang such signs on Vlasov on the building of the General Staff Academy in Moscow (after all, he studied at it), or on the house in which he lived?

        You don’t think of logic for me. You don’t need to. More modest pozhalsta.
        In Murmansk, a monument to the Wehrmacht rangers was unveiled, in Crimea, monuments at the burial place of the then enemies: the British and French.
        This is our memory.
        and Mannery served Russia with honor and truth
        Before leaving for Russia, Mannerheim completed another “mission” to Japan. The objective of the assignment was to clarify the military capabilities of the port of Shimonoseki. Having completed the task, the colonel arrived in Vladivostok on September 24.
        Expedition Results

        3087 km of the expedition route are marked on the map.
        A military topographic description of the Kashgar-Turpan region has been compiled.
        The Taushkan-Darya river was explored from its descent from the mountains to its confluence with Orken-Darya.
        Plans for 20 Chinese garrison cities have been drawn up.
        The description of the city of Lanzhou as a possible future Russian military base in China is given.
        The state of China's troops, industry, and mining was assessed.
        Estimated construction of railways.
        The actions of the Chinese government to combat opium consumption in the country are evaluated.
        Collected 1200 different interesting items related to the culture of China.
        About 2000 ancient Chinese manuscripts from the sands of Turfan were brought.
        A rare collection of Chinese sketches from Lanzhou was brought, giving an idea of ​​420 characters from different religions.
        A phonetic dictionary of the languages ​​of the peoples living in northern China has been compiled.
        Anthropometric measurements of Kalmyks, Kyrgyz, little-known tribes of the Abdals, Yellow Tanguts, and Torgouts were carried out.
        1353 photographs were brought, as well as a large number of diary entries.

        Mannerheim rode about 14 km. His report is one of the last notable diaries compiled by travelers in this way.

        Then he just as honestly fought against.
        A very rare historical character. That his memory is carved in granite in this way ... I see nothing bad.
        1. sever.56
          sever.56 19 June 2016 13: 26
          +14
          Quote: dvina71
          In Murmansk, a monument to the ranks of the Wehrmacht rangers,


          Remind me, who lives in Murmansk for the seventh decade, WHERE IN MURMANSK A MONUMENT IS ESTABLISHED TO JEREMES OF VERMAHTA ??? Maybe I don’t know something? Enlighten.

          Quote: dvina71
          This is our memory.

          Whose is it - "Nasha"?
          Quote: dvina71
          and Mannery served Russia with honor and truth

          I already wrote above that all of his services to Russia were crossed out by cooperation with Hitler and the blockade of the FINNISH troops of Leningrad from the north.
          On his conscience, the lives of hundreds of thousands of Leningraders - the elderly, women, children.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 19 June 2016 14: 16
            -8
            Quote: sever.56
            DE IN MURMANSK INSTALLED A MONUMENT TO JERMES OF VERMAHTA ???

            And where is the monument to Mannerheim installed in St. Petersburg?
            http://severpost.ru/read/9323/bank_view_info.php?bank_id=5
            1. sever.56
              sever.56 19 June 2016 15: 01
              +8
              Quote: dvina71
              And where is the monument to Mannerheim installed in St. Petersburg?

              How funny when there is no argument, answer a question with a question.
              Both in the article and in my commentary we are talking about a MEMORIAL BOARD, and in your commentary you also wrote about a memorial plaque.
              So still answer: - WHERE IN MURMANSK A MONUMENT IS ESTABLISHED TO THE JAMMERS OF VERMAHTA ???
              Otherwise, you can consider this statement of yours as an unscrupulous lie that you posted here with the hope that someone will gobble it up and think that someone in the hero city of Murmansk allowed it to be done.
              If someone even thought about this, then these people would be quickly put in place, possibly with consequences in the form of massacres. Our people are serious and do not like rot.
              Waiting for an answer to your question!
        2. faridg7
          faridg7 19 June 2016 13: 35
          +8
          Yes, I know about his Russian history. All the more disgusting is the fact that with its help so many people in St. Petersburg died. And I have the same attitude to monuments to the Czechs and to monuments to fascist rangers. Yes, soldiers, but these are invaders, interventionists. On their graves there should be one sign: They died, for they came with a sword.
        3. Todessichel
          Todessichel 19 June 2016 19: 08
          +2
          His honesty is that, taking advantage of the intervention and chaos in Russia in the 18s and 21s (it was when the chances of success were greatest, and not in the 40s, with their dubious and unclear outcome), he condoned, organized, etc. two campaigns on the country which Finland literally granted independence on the eve?
          Two!!! hike with a gap of a couple of years!
          The rush was completely determined by the process of restoration of power in Russia that had just begun.
          They wanted to make it, until the red ones came to their senses.
          The first time you count to Petrozavodsk, have reached.
          Well, let’s take into account the errors and before it’s too late, we will pile on again.
          Not taken into account, not piled ...
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 19 June 2016 12: 27
    +16
    I am ashamed of the still alive blockades and those who were killed by the blockade and all those who died fighting with the white whales, and then simply Hitler’s allies.
    Such as Medinsky are more than anything else afraid of being left alone with the people. Hence all these motorcades of black German foreign cars, security at our expense, prosecutor friends in case of emergency.
    But it would be necessary to meet and talk ... weakly to the minister to arrange an open polemical conversation with opponents of this plate? Weak !!!
    I'm not talking about the referendum --- on any topic, his power is afraid of fire.
    So the great commander will honorably hang in St. Petersburg, glittering with his orders and medals. The iron cross for Leningrad that Hitler handed over explains everything in this shameful story.
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 19 June 2016 19: 54
      +1
      Okay, the Medina Humanities, and what did Ivanov do at the opening? There are no words.
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 19 June 2016 20: 18
      +3
      In 1941, on the eve of the invasion, Finnish units received an order from the Commander-in-Chief Marshal Mannerheim, which specifically said:
      “During the liberation war of 1918, I told the Karelians of Finland and the East that I would not put my sword in the scabbard until Finland and East Karelia were free. I swore this name to the peasant army, fully trusting the selflessness of our men and the sacrifice of women.
      For twenty-three years, North Karelia and Olonia have been awaiting the fulfillment of this promise, a year and a half after the heroic Winter War, the Finnish Karelia, devastated, expected the dawn to rise ...
      Soldiers! This earthly earth on which you step is irrigated with the blood and suffering of kindred peoples, it is a holy land. I believe that our victory will free Karelia, your actions will bring Finland a great happy future. "

      So who is He for Russia, a brilliant cavalry guard or Hitler’s satellite ..?
      It is useless to ask Medinsky --- everything is clear with them.
      It is interesting that the commissioner of the 24th Infantry Regiment, who was left in the rearguard to cover the withdrawal of our units from Petrozavodsk in front of the numerically superior Finnish army, did to me --- tell him that Field Marshal Mannerheim is not a fascist, but an honored and good man, a patriot and darling? !! The regiment was reduced to two rifle companies, but with one gun. Not they had to defeat in that battle, but delay ...
      In my opinion, citizen Medinsky squealed the most about the article for falsifying history? I dare to hope that history will pass him a fair sentence.
  6. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 19 June 2016 12: 31
    +13
    For the Chukhites, and this is understandable K. Mannerheim is a national leader, a hero. But in St. Petersburg, let him set a little fortune for this enemy of the USSR? Top cynicism, well, let's remember Antonescu and Horthy.
  7. atakan
    atakan 19 June 2016 12: 36
    +5
    There are fresh monuments to Tsar Nikolashka (I was blown up twice in my neighboring town, but restored), there is a monument to Czech legionnaires in Chelyabinsk, and there is a monument to Nizhny Tagil to Czech legionnaires
    , a monument to Kolchak in Omsk, And this is from high-profile, there are dozens of silent corrections of history.
  8. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 19 June 2016 12: 38
    +8
    This is not a commemorative plaque, this is just a glorification! Moreover, if earlier there was a neutral attitude towards Mannerheim in St. Petersburg, now it is sharply negative. And who needs this? Residents, of course, were not asked at all.
  9. siberalt
    siberalt 19 June 2016 12: 40
    .
    There is a monument to Kolchak in Irkutsk, so what? The head of the Russian Orthodox Church laid flowers on him.
    Manerheim Russian did not hang and did not shoot. And before the Finnish war, the USSR and Germany had a friendship treaty.
    Monument to Kolchak in Irkutsk.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 19 June 2016 13: 12
      -8
      Kolchak fought in the Civil War, Mannerheim fought for separation from Russia. Kolchak is a patriot, Mannerheim is a criminal.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 19 June 2016 13: 43
        +6
        Do not la la. Over fascism there was a tribunal in Nuremberg. And he set the criminals. No need to be led by cheers-patriotism, and think with your head. I personally don’t erect monuments to anyone, especially Kolchak, but I have my own opinion about Russian history and do not impose it on anyone.
      3. basal
        basal 19 June 2016 14: 32
        +5
        When did Mannerheim fight for separation from Russia ??? Grandfather Lenin just gave Finland independence !!! what
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      5. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 19 June 2016 18: 24
        0
        Both are scum.
      6. family tree
        family tree 20 June 2016 03: 04
        +2
        Quote: KaPToC
        Kolchak is a patriot,

        What kind of patriot, if from the 18th in the service in Royal Nevi, let him say thanks that they buried in the sea, albeit in a river what
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 20 June 2016 09: 21
          0
          I’ll clarify that Kolchak looks a patriot in comparison with Mannerheim, and so, of course, he is not a patriot.
    2. Passer
      Passer 20 June 2016 03: 06
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Monument to Kolchak in Irkutsk.

      In how, my great-grandfather drove this nits throughout Siberia, in my childhood Kolchak scared children. And now the grateful descendants of this bastard erected a monument ...
      Or Irkutsk, except for the fact that they shot this bastard more and there is nothing to remember?
  10. Greenwood
    Greenwood 19 June 2016 12: 44
    +12
    Mdya, Yeltsin Center, Mannerheim board, Kadyrov’s bridge ... Where are we going ?! Put a monument to Dudaev.
  11. Nehist
    Nehist 19 June 2016 12: 45
    +3
    On March 13, 1940, a peace agreement was signed in Moscow on conditions put forward by the USSR. Finland transferred 12% of its territory to the Soviet Union. On October 3, 1941, Mannerheim ordered the troops to go on the defensive along the line of the historical Russian-Finnish border on the Karelian Isthmus.
  12. Basil50
    Basil50 19 June 2016 12: 46
    +2
    Mannerheim was also the ideologist of the extermination of the RUSSIANS in the territory of retreating Finland, and he participated in the wars against the SOVIET UNION.
    The fact that the Minister of Culture of RUSSIA is a true * democrat * and does everything for the creeping * de-Stalinization * the minister himself does not hide and enjoys the full support of * soministers *.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 19 June 2016 17: 03
      +3
      In RUSSIA, strange processes and the goals of some government decisions are not always visible. Only such actions sometimes show that these decisions are not in the interests of RUSSIA.
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  13. fellow misha
    fellow misha 19 June 2016 12: 48
    +13
    accomplices of the Nazis should hang on the gallows, and not on memorial plaques, especially in Leningrad, a city in which so many civilians — children, women and old people — died from hunger due to the fault of this fascist henchman! No actions can whitewash this executioner of children, women and the elderly. I think if they hang the board, it will not hang for a long time, they will tear it off and drown it in the Baltic Sea!
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 19 June 2016 13: 13
      +4
      Drown. And before that, I hope they will tie her to this medina with a pound weight
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  15. Isum
    Isum 19 June 2016 12: 52
    +10
    Intelligence: Bair Irincheev about Mannerheim
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  17. Selevc
    Selevc 19 June 2016 12: 54
    +15
    Still, the decision of those in power to establish a memorial plaque to Karl Mannerheim in St. Petersburg

    During the blockade of Leningrad, approximately 630 thousand people died (data from the Nuremberg trials). This is the entire civilian population (97% died of starvation, 3% from bombing and other causes). The northern flank of the blockade was provided by the Finns - what nafik a memorial plaque? Who - the executioner of St. Petersburg? There are such installers on this board in the face !!!
    I wonder why it is always so modest and now the Soviet-Finnish War is also covered in a one-sided way. Soviet soldiers accomplished a feat - in three months, perhaps the most impregnable in history (considering all factors) breakthrough line of defense that was built by the Finns from the very beginning of the separation of Finland from Russia was broken. If this is not a feat - then what is called a feat?
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 13: 47
      -5
      Quote: Selevc
      Who - the executioner of St. Petersburg?

      why is he the executioner Petersburgwhat? "The blockade of St. Petersburg during the Second World War" is something new.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 21: 06
        0
        Quote: Pinky F.
        why is he the executioner of Petersburg?

        thanks for the cons. What, according to the directive of the Fuhrer 1601 of 22.09.41 “Die Zukunft der Stadt Petersburg”, call Leningrad Petersburg? Well, well ... Let's move on: Paulus, so - the executioner Tsaritsyna?
        Or what - so, garbage, trifle, you think - Petersburg, Leningrad ... Well, why then let snot blow up about "short memory"?
        Quote: Selevc
        There are such installers on this board in the face !!!

        Someone would not hurt the same board in the same place. And all the pathos to dust.
    2. your1970
      your1970 19 June 2016 18: 13
      +1
      "Perhaps the most impregnable line of defense in history (taking into account all factors) was broken through, which was built by the Finns from the very beginning of the separation of Finland from Russia." - it was generally built in parts and at first it was rather poor storm, got together and broke through, even in WWI, more heavily fortified lines and then took
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 19: 43
        0
        Quote: your1970
        poor at first

        for sure. Irincheev, I remember, has the quality of Enkel's bunkers. At Summankul, in the bunker No. 15, a meter-long layer of sand was poured into the roof inside the concrete pouring. The sappers became fierce when in the 40th they decided to restore the bunker. Contractors sawed and stolen) Although, of course, the quality of millionaires and standard ones, especially in the last two pre-war years, was incomparably better.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 19 June 2016 18: 40
      +1
      Quote: Selevc
      I wonder why it is always so modest and now the Soviet-Finnish War is also covered in a one-sided way.

      Because the army of the USSR then showed itself not on the best side, and Mannerheim’s impregnable line was by no means what Mannerheim himself wrote about.

      PS Please do not talk about the heroism of the soldiers. I do not argue with this, but the army is a system that wins as a whole, and not due to someone’s exploits. Later, from the very beginning of the Second World War, Soviet soldiers also showed examples of the highest courage, but the Germans reached Moscow and were beaten out with great difficulty.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 21 June 2016 09: 37
        0
        Quote: Dart2027
        PS Please do not talk about the heroism of the soldiers. I do not argue with this, but the army is a system that wins as a whole, and not due to someone’s exploits.

        Imagine yourself in the winter taiga - you need to step knee-deep and even waist-deep in snow + frost or even worse a thaw when everything around gets wet in a matter of minutes !!! To step on the positions prepared by the enemy, to step on a narrow area shot from all sides, take into account rough and swampy terrain, a lot of streams, streams, and so on. Plus mines and obstacle courses. The enemy sits at well-maintained bunkers and shelters and shoots the area in all directions. You have no opportunity to bypass the enemy - only forward or backward !!! And you need not only to run to the enemy but also to knock him out of his positions !!!
        Is such a defense possible to overcome at all without major losses? In my opinion this is simply impossible !!! The assault on the Mannerheim Line is a rare feat in modern history - especially given the factor of the time of year, the pace of combat operations and the specifics of the theater of operations.
        By the way, the Finns throughout the war did not try to storm the Soviet fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus - they probably knew very well how serious it was !!!
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 21 June 2016 10: 15
          0
          I also want to add that the need to change the borders of Finland and the USSR acutely arose only in the late 30s. When fascist Germany and its allies occupied all the buffer countries between the USSR and the Reich. On which side the Finns will be in the likely conflict between the USSR and Germany, I think it’s clear - after all, Finland’s foreign policy in the 30s was not aimed at good neighborly relations with the USSR — the Finns were looking for allies in Europe.
          What could the leadership of the USSR do? Watch the Reich absorb one after another the countries of Europe? Of course not. The USSR tried to secure its western borders as much as possible - and the question of Leningrad was especially acute !!! Incidentally, the actions of England with France at that time were treacherous in relation to Czechoslovakia - Hitler was sent to the East and not to the West !!! Who could Stalin rely on in Europe? Looking for contacts with the English-French? - so they just about showed their true face in the case of Czechoslovakia !!! Where is the guarantee that London and Paris would not give the Baltic countries to Hitler, for example, as it was with the Czechs?
          In my opinion, Stalin's pre-war foreign policy was correct !!! They did everything they could - and yet it did not save the USSR from Hitler's powerful blow. And what would have happened if Stalin had simply listened unquestioningly to London and Paris? It is clear that the history of World War II would be completely different !!! Relations with Europe should be based solely on the principle - "To live with wolves - howl like a wolf !!!"
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 21 June 2016 11: 00
            0
            I also want to say that the famous Molotov-Ribentrop Pact is just a masterpiece of Soviet diplomacy ... These agreements should be considered exclusively through the prism of the Munich agreement - the pact is Stalin’s anticipatory game !!! If there were no preliminary agreements with Hitler, then the USSR would quickly be confronted with the fact of the occupation of another East European country !!! Hitler would have sent troops into Lithuania, for example (mass of pretexts - from provocations at the border to the defense of the German diasporas), and Euro-Jews (England with France) would wash their hands again.
            Recently, the Pact is a vivid example when a separate episode of it is pulled out of history and fanning the hype around it, while completely forgetting or hushing up the very serious reasons that led to this !!!
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 21 June 2016 20: 09
          0
          Quote: Selevc
          Introduce yourself

          And this is the system. It was the system that should ensure overcoming all of the above, and we did not even have skiers. The Soviet army was not ready for war.
          Quote: Selevc
          I also want to add that the need to change the borders of Finland and the USSR

          And there is.
          Quote: Selevc
          I also want to say that the famous Molotov-Ribentrop Pact is just a masterpiece of Soviet diplomacy

          And that is precisely why liberals and universal people hate him so much.
  18. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 19 June 2016 12: 55
    +5
    I didn’t join opponents or supporters, I just remembered that Russia had long taken a course of reconciliation in Russian history! "Today," the imperial family has been elevated to the saints, the ashes of former tsarist generals are returned to the Russian land, according to their will, the Cossack families peacefully coexist in the villages, whose grandfathers fought on different sides ...
    As for Mannerheim, then he didn’t put up a monument, but a commemorative plaque. He was a Russian general, distinguished himself in the Russo-Japanese War. An intelligence mission to the Japanese port of Shimonoseki and a two-year engineering reconnaissance campaign in the interests of the Russian army, to China. The Finnish war is a sore subject for us, it’s a fact ...
    Is this all good or bad? Everyone judges in his own way! As "Tagged" said, there will be no consensus on this issue!
  19. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 19 June 2016 12: 55
    -3
    Let this plate serve as a reminder that people tend to take revenge on those who are trying to rob them of their country.
  20. Dmitry X
    Dmitry X 19 June 2016 12: 59
    +11
    In general, this topic with a sign seems to have been peddling for a long time, but I honestly thought that some kind of "right" activists, or "ROCshniki-monarchists." But when, at the opening of the board, I saw Ivanov and Medinsky, to be honest, I went nuts ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 June 2016 16: 15
      0
      Quote: Dmitry X
      In general, this topic with a sign seems to have been peddling for a long time, but I honestly thought that some kind of "right" activists, or "ROCshniki-monarchists." But when, at the opening of the board, I saw Ivanov and Medinsky, to be honest, I went nuts ...

      Heh heh heh ... so Mannerheim was not his own for the White movement. For the majority of White Russians, despite the dissimilarity of views on other issues, advocated for one and indivisible.
      It was this moment, by the way, that over and over again torpedoed negotiations on the joint actions of the White Russians and white Finns - for the latter for the former were separatists who had torn a piece from Russia. ICH, Mannerheim himself did everything to support this opinion about himself:
      On January 3, 1919, General Yudenich returned from Stockholm to Helsingfors and on January 5 he met with General Mannerheim. At this first meeting, General Mannerheim, not rejecting in principle the idea of ​​the Finnish army participating in the liberation of Petrograd, categorically demanded immediate recognition of Finland's independence and territorial concessions both in eastern Karelia and on the coast of the Kola Peninsula.
  21. parafoiler
    parafoiler 19 June 2016 13: 05
    +7
    You see, soon this memorial plaque will be smashed. And they’ll do it right. But Medinsky and Ivanov in this situation can not be understood, like the GDP, whose father fought on the Nevsky Piglet. Or is it flirting with the Finns so that they do not join NATO ?!
  22. m.fanil
    m.fanil 19 June 2016 13: 05
    +2
    I wonder why they will condemn tearing this board? for extremism?
  23. qwert111
    qwert111 19 June 2016 13: 09
    +9
    Quote: Vladimir61
    I didn’t join opponents or supporters, I just remembered that Russia had long taken a course of reconciliation in Russian history! "Today," the imperial family has been elevated to the saints, the ashes of former tsarist generals are returned to the Russian land, according to their will, the Cossack families peacefully coexist in the villages, whose grandfathers fought on different sides ...
    As for Mannerheim, then he didn’t put up a monument, but a commemorative plaque. He was a Russian general, distinguished himself in the Russo-Japanese War. An intelligence mission to the Japanese port of Shimonoseki and a two-year engineering reconnaissance campaign in the interests of the Russian army, to China. The Finnish war is a sore subject for us, it’s a fact ...
    Is this all good or bad? Everyone judges in his own way! As "Tagged" said, there will be no consensus on this issue!


    It would be possible to erect a monument if there were other circumstances. But being in the city
    signs to Mannerheim where the Piskarevskoye cemetery is located, I will never accept for myself, and many citizens will not accept it. Therefore, when it is ripped off, I won’t even call it an act of vandalism, I had to think that they were hanging and where! They didn’t hang a tablet in Finland to Stalin!
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 19 June 2016 13: 15
      +5
      Quote: qwert111
      It would be possible to erect a monument if there were other circumstances. But being in the city
      signs to Mannerheim where the Piskarevskoye cemetery is located, I will never accept for myself, and many citizens will not accept it. Therefore, when it is ripped off, I won’t even call it an act of vandalism, I had to think that they were hanging and where! They didn’t hang a tablet in Finland to Stalin!

      I hope you Leningraders do everything right ... hi This is the humiliation of all the dead Soviet soldiers and residents of Leningrad!
  24. midshipman
    midshipman 19 June 2016 13: 13
    +16
    Mannerheim is an enemy of the Russian people and the inhabitants of Leningrad, and now St. Petersburg. I published many stories and stories about the defense of the city on the Neva in VO. Hitler set the task for this enemy of our state to seize even Arkhangelsk. On June 21, 1941, a Finnish assault force, at the direction of this enemy, landed in area 6 of the BBK lock. The goal is to blow up the airlock and prevent the submarines and torpedo boats from reaching the Northern Fleet. The landing was destroyed. And this is even the day before the beginning of the Second World War. Then this enemy examined Kronstadt and Leningrad through binoculars while adjusting the deployment of Finnish troops. In vain I.V. Stalin personally took pity on him. He was on the lists of war criminals, he was supposed to be hanged by the decision of the Nuremberg Tribunal. Or at least hang it on the square near the Gigant cinema in 1946, when 8 fascist generals who fought on the Leningrad and Volkhov fronts were popularly executed. Residents of St. Petersburg, remember how many children's lives this war criminal ruined in 8 concentration camps on the territory of the Karelo-Finnish SSR. And you will understand what he deserves. The blood of our children and fellow citizens demands retribution. In my documentary works of fiction there is all the information about him as an enemy of our people. I have the honor.
    1. your1970
      your1970 19 June 2016 18: 17
      0
      "In vain, IV Stalin personally pitied him. He was on the lists of war criminals, he should have been hanged by the decision of the Nuremberg Tribunal." - think - WHY? !!! suddenly became so kind, kind ???
  25. AlexTires
    AlexTires 19 June 2016 13: 20
    +13
    Russian soldiers salute the fascist, who, together with Hitler for 900 days, blocked and starved their native Leningrad ... Ales full ... It is clear that even villains can sometimes perform feats or just good deeds, but they do not stop being villains from this. Mannerheim may have once served in Russia, but with his cooperation with Hitler he spoiled all his karma, so to speak ... If the initiators want to be consistent, then they definitely need to put up a memorial plaque to Wilhelm Leeb and Georg Kühler - Mannerheim’s comrades-in-arms in the siege of Leningrad. Of course, one must not forget Hitler - after all, he transferred part of the troops to the Moscow direction during the battle for Moscow - thereby saving Leningrad. The real hero ... And of course the monument to Vlasov - the hero of the battle for Moscow ...
  26. tehnoluks
    tehnoluks 19 June 2016 13: 53
    +4
    http://eadaily.com/ru/news/2016/06/17/kak-melkie-gostinichnye-biznesmeny-kreml-p
    odstavili
    Where are you, Lavrenty Palych?
  27. PKTRL
    PKTRL 19 June 2016 13: 58
    +11
    New fascism will not work! No Mannerheim Board!
    Statement by the Bureau of the St. Petersburg City Committee of the Komsomol of the Russian Federation:

    The bureau of the St. Petersburg City Committee of the Komsomol of the Russian Federation strongly condemns the planned grand opening of the memorial plaque to Karl Gustav Mannerheim, Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky.
    The announcement that the chief cultural official plans to solemnly open the board at house 31 on Galernaya street, where in 1906 the future president and marshal of Finland, and then an officer of the Russian army, graduated from the special courses of the General Staff Academy, was posted on the official website of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation Federation.
    Today this news is no longer there. We don’t undertake to guess what happened - either the officials removed the announcement so as not to “tease the geese” once again, or the Minister Medinsky decided to backtrack, frightened by the reaction of the indignant public in the days when the city was full of foreign delegations participating in International Economic Forum. We are outraged by something else: how could one decide to open a memorial plaque in Leningrad to the military commander responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Leningrad residents during the blockade, for the deaths of Red Army soldiers and Soviet citizens, including women and children, in Finnish concentration camps ?!
    It is widely known that, entering the war on the side of Hitler, the Finnish leadership hoped to create “Great Finland” at the expense of the Soviet lands. Karelia was to become Finnish, Lake Onega - the internal lake of Finland, and Svir - completely the Finnish river, Leningrad was subject to destruction, and the Neva became the Finnish-German border. Therefore, the myth that Mannerheim stopped his troops on the old Soviet-Finnish border, wanting only to return the territories lost by Finland as a result of the Soviet-Finnish war, does not stand up to criticism today.
    On the eve of the invasion of the USSR on the side of Nazi Germany, the Finnish units received an order from the commander in chief Marshal Mannerheim, in which it said: “During the liberation war of 1918, I told the Karelians of Finland and the East that I would not put my sword into the scabbard, while Finland and East Karelia will not be free. I swore this name to the peasant army, fully trusting the selflessness of our men and the sacrifice of women. For twenty-three years, North Karelia and Olonia waited for the fulfillment of this promise, and a half years after the heroic Winter War, the Finnish Karelia, devastated, expected the dawn to rise ... "
    Fulfilling the order of Mannerheim, a significant part of Karelia was occupied by troops under his command, but they did not have enough strength to break through the solid defense in the Karelian fortified area. Not wanting to die in front of impregnable pillboxes, the Finnish soldiers began to refuse to attack in droves, numerous cases of desertion were noted. When their total number began to be counted in thousands, Mannerheim was forced to finally abandon the offensive on Leningrad and be content with its blockade, condemning millions of its inhabitants to starvation.
    to be continued..
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 14: 14
      -1
      Quote: PCTRL
      Bureau of the St. Petersburg City Committee of the Komsomol

      rzhu something ... Sounds like "The party committee of the primary party organization of the Smolny Institute for noble maidens most mercifully commands ..."
      1. your1970
        your1970 19 June 2016 18: 18
        0
        Pinkie F.
        The second time I fully agree with you
        1. your1970
          your1970 19 June 2016 20: 08
          +1
          someone is not in agreement ...

          Yes, the entire LKSM is OBLIGED TO SPIT at the word: "St. Petersburg" - for not "Leningrad". Well, or they are NOT LENINSKY, but simply KSM ...
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    3. Hundred
      Hundred 20 June 2016 23: 32
      0
      As a resident of Petrozavodsk, thank you for the comment! -And plus mine!
  28. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 19 June 2016 13: 58
    +7
    The man under whose command the blockade of Leningrad from the north was carried out, a comrade-in-arms of Giler, an accomplice in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children, old people and women, in fact, they put a memorial plaque in St. Petersburg (Leningrad), something is not right ... think about it, while not too late, gentlemen, ministers.
  29. PKTRL
    PKTRL 19 June 2016 14: 00
    +9
    continued ..
    A lot has been said about the tragic fate of the Soviet servicemen who found themselves in Finnish captivity. Even according to official figures, mortality in Finnish concentration camps was higher than in German! But there were also concentration camps in which the Finns kept the civilian Russian-speaking population in the occupied territories - thousands of women, children and old people perished in them. There were inhuman crimes of the Finnish military against the Soviet military - it’s enough to recall the story of the ruthless destruction of a field hospital in the Petrovsky Pit along with the wounded and personnel by the Finnish commando squad.

    Mannerheim is responsible for all these crimes as commander in chief of the Finnish army. And equally, he must share with the German fascist military leaders the blame for the blockade of Leningrad and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of city residents as a result of it.

    The fact that the opening of the Mannerheim board exactly at the end of the magnificent celebration of the 70th anniversary of the Great Victory cannot but arouse indignation. Medinsky’s demarche makes it clear to us what all the loud statements of the authorities about the inadmissibility of falsification of history, its revision and heroization of figures who fought against the Soviet Union, such as Stepan Bandera or Roman Shukhevych, are actually worth.

    We are convinced that the Mannerheim memorial plaque has no place in Leningrad! Therefore, regardless of whether the opening of the board takes place, the St. Petersburg branch of the Komsomol of the Russian Federation will hold on the eve of June 18 a series of single pickets at state authorities, as well as at the house on Galernaya Street, on which they want to perpetuate the memory of Hitler's accomplice.

    New fascism will not pass! No blackboard to Mannerheim! There is no insult to the memory of the inhabitants and defenders of the besieged Leningrad!

    11 June 2015 year

    First Secretary of St. Petersburg
    City Committee of the Komsomol of the Russian Federation A.P. Klochkova



    Why didn’t people ask gr. Medinsky .., children and grandchildren of Soviet soldiers who perished in Finnish concentration camps, those who survived the blockade, those who liberated the Leningrad Region and Karelia from the Finnish fascists ?!
    Such a question, even after a long time, how can it become "uncomfortable"?
    1. AlexSK
      AlexSK 19 June 2016 15: 56
      +12
      After one concussion, one of my great-grandfathers ended up in a concentration camp in Finland where Mikkeli County was tortured. And now to those who headed this army, commemorative tablets are hung in the city, which he blocked from the north. This is a spit in their citizens and blasphemy. I hope there are people who will break this plate. These are the things that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers painted with respect to this figure, as they say without comment.
  30. Altona
    Altona 19 June 2016 14: 09
    +16
    Hey terwe suomen yubusyava! Paasta venyalainen weitzi! (hello, Finnish friend, get a Russian knife!) - my grandfather cut Finns in such a way in 1940.
  31. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 19 June 2016 14: 10
    +10
    Well, let's put a memorial board to Krasnov, the general of the tsarist army, then became the inspector of the cavalry of the SS, but this is nothing, but the truth is the same German slut Semenov Japanese slut hanged in 1949 year and then where did von Panvits, commander of 15 of the Cossack SS or Vlasov By the way, since Nizhegorodets and Vlasov himself, by the way, from the Lyskovsky district of the Nizhny Novgorod region, one of his relatives decided to arrange a museum. The Afghans from the Chechens came to her and explained how this museum would burn brightly in the night and it’s not a fact then she will get out the idea disappeared by itself St. Petersburg ay ...
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 21: 36
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      Quote: Novel 1977
      board to Krasnov

      Mannerheim did not swear allegiance to the Führer. He did not allow the Germans to command Finnish units. Did not wear the uniform of the Wehrmacht.
      Quote: Novel 1977
      or Vlasov

      Mannerheim did not change the oath.

      These are personalities of different orders.
      But I absolutely agree with you - attempts to rehabilitate the brown Cossacks Krasnova / Shkuro and yblyudka Vlasov have taken place and are taking place. Echo of Moscow, for example, hopes that this has already happened in the brains of "people who think in the slightest degree" - the matter is official.
      So - we are gathered here, stupid and orphaned, and imagine a "betrayal" of the current in black and white, taksyat, polarity. And there, it turns out - shades, shades, shades ...
      Thu ...
  32. akudr48
    akudr48 19 June 2016 14: 13
    +11
    A vile action to establish a board in memory of Hitler's comrade-in-arms - Mannerheim could not take place on the decision and initiative of today's owners of Leningrad. Not the scale of the vile.

    The Moscow fighters against fascism could not do without a good team. It is necessary to put up with Europe, because the monument to Mannerheim is already in his beloved Switzerland, on the shores of Lehman, not far from his native Palestinians.

    Who is not lazy - let him think who gave the go-ahead. Is it not that big boss who recently so unexpectedly congratulated the United States as the only superpower standing at the head of the unipolar world, although he claimed a couple of years ago about a multipolar world ...
  33. Neputin
    Neputin 19 June 2016 14: 18
    +12
    Indeed the first question and, perhaps, the main one. How interested are the authorities in the opinion of citizens? I answer: they are interested and monitored, but only within the framework of control over the critical mass of disaffected. They are afraid of reaching this critical mass to colic, to diarrhea and other things. So far, everything is fine "there is no money, but we hold on here and there and everywhere." To control and arrange all these talk shows with the president and a direct line, etc. But they insure themselves little by little, so they create the National Guard again. There is even nothing to discuss here - no one will ask anyone or anything. They will do everything as they need to, and whoever "speaks" will be told very quickly where to go and what to do. But, as the saying goes, "bachili eyes sho bathed - eat and do not crap." Who shouted "Down with the Communist Party? We. Who did not come out to defend the shot-down White House? We. Who wanted healthy competition under capitalism? We. So eat up. And about the current domestic policy, so also Saltykov - Shchedrin remarkably said:" Something they began to press on patriotism. Probably caught stealing. "
    1. AlexSK
      AlexSK 19 June 2016 19: 47
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      Quote: Neputin
      ... Who shouted "down with the Communist Party? We. Who did not come out to defend the shot-down White House? We. Who wanted healthy competition under capitalism? We

      Who are we? You don’t speak for everyone. I personally, when these events took place under the table, I walked on foot. So as in the famous film, not us, but YOU.
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  38. excomandante
    excomandante 19 June 2016 14: 33
    +6
    Good picture from LJ Varangian 2007.
  39. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 14: 38
    +5
    In the Kremlin, in the St. George Hall of Military Glory, his name is engraved in gold letters.
    Carry, Sand, grinder, we will wash.
  40. Barsukvad
    Barsukvad 19 June 2016 14: 42
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    Everything is said here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_QIhG8KIX0
    Do not add, do not take away ...
  41. hunt1
    hunt1 19 June 2016 14: 43
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    a difficult topic why Stalin did not put him on trial at that time and could have had warm relations more. All this once again confirms that most Russians do not understand the deepest meanings of the greatest tragedy of the 20th century of the Second World War. but there’s a simplified version, like the devil Hitler attacked the USSR, it’s all so and not quite. I, to my shame, started to be interested in history about 10 years ago, and in particular the Second World War I discovered a lot of new things for myself that they didn’t teach at school or just didn’t teach. for example, who won the war, the question will probably seem strange, but I don’t read it. Yes, we defended our right to life and others. Well, to vainly Israel got its state, having taken away the clutter in a mess, the foreign lands of the United States became a superpower and today they remain. in general, I would not be in a hurry to smear with black paint, but first there are a lot of black spots that make me look at many different things in a completely different way.
    and also those who write about Putin the traitor, why say directly that Putin betrayed his mother the blockade of Leningrad, and maybe everything is completely wrong and should be sorted out before writing.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: Hunt1
      I would not be in a hurry to smear with black paint, but first there are a lot of black spots

      I agree, glossing over black spots with black paint is a matter requiring great dedication and caution. Like punctuation.
      Quote: Hunt1
      .I am to my shame when, about 10 years ago, I became interested in history and, in particular, the Second World War

      this is commendable, but on the subject is there something to say? Or haven't you reached the letter "F" yet?
  42. Olegater
    Olegater 19 June 2016 15: 07
    +7
    I really love this city. Being in it just rest my soul. And this news made me very upset because I believe that this is a small step towards the great blackening of OUR GREAT HISTORY, as well as the city itself and its heroic inhabitants. Why such provocations - it’s probably their bureaucrats who sell their 30 candy wrappers, who instead of the brain have a calculator and nothing more. Who sold out to the West is a Judas who does not remember his history and they propose to forget the feat of Leningrad and the inhabitants, the historical and cultural heritage of St. Petersburg. Maybe in the Hero Cities, these liberals are on p.i.nd.so.sov.v.s.s.k.i.e. candy wrappers will erect monuments to the Nazi generals who destroyed them or to whom else?
  43. hunt1
    hunt1 19 June 2016 15: 09
    -5
    for me, a serious marker is that Stalin had mercy on him; it’s hard to say something like Stalin - the compassionate obvious reason was why it shouldn’t be here right now from the point of view of a simple man and Leningrader in particular Monnerheim is the devil in the flesh a politician and statesman who is obliged to ensure the safety and prosperity of the whole Finnish country is a neighbor with whom it is worthwhile to have a good relationship; the question is different where is that line or line that can no longer be crossed.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 15: 22
      -3
      Quote: Hunt1
      for me a serious marker is that Stalin had mercy on him

      yes, a curious incident with the list of H. Kuusinen. Maybe the reason is the marshal sabotage "I won't attack anymore" or, say, in the episode with Fr. Suho? One way or another, Stalin had some motives, of course.
  44. Olegater
    Olegater 19 June 2016 15: 26
    +6
    Respected "hunt1" Your quote: "but the point of view of a politician and statesman who is obliged to ensure the security and prosperity of the whole country, the Finns are a neighbor with whom you need to build good relations, then the question is another where is the line or line that can no longer be crossed." Well, since the end of the Great Patriotic War, Mannerheim was not heard and the country's leadership (that under the USSR, that was marked and drunk with a club-handed, and even under VV Putin) until that moment did not seem to worry that he was not known in Russia or know as a fascist general. And then suddenly, when the Finns got ready to go to NATO, they remembered him and made a deflection in the direction of the Finns, as it is not logically disgusting. If I.V. Stalin pardoned him according to your words - then the memory of him should be appropriate, at least neutral. And then suddenly the board I do not understand this power.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 15: 49
      +2
      Quote: Olegater
      And then suddenly the board I do not understand this power.

      Well, the authorities want to say: "Well, they say, people, are you so uncompromising? You need to change your attitude to contradictory personalities, of whom there are so many in our history. Here, people, is a test for tolerance - here the marshal was “ours,” here - “not ours.” Well, people, you want me, the authorities, I’ll make this two-color board, like the Unknown bust of Khrushch on Novodevichy, huh? I'll torture the Vlasov topic ...
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 19 June 2016 16: 01
        +7
        Dear Pinky F., the question of a compromise over conflicting personalities (and even more so during the years of World War II) among the people leads to its split for ideological reasons. Some will be against the board, others are against. I do not want to be a compromise and tolerance ..... th it is the lot of the West European zh.o.p. I think this is a rewriting of history for the sake of enemies. And the word tolerance turns me on. Well, I do not want to be him (tfu three times). And for that matter, why don’t they erect a monument to I.V. Stalin, L.P. Beria? But their merit in the victory over fascism is not small. (And yes, to those who will minus me, do not bother and look at the story of what is the role of I.V. Stalin as the head of the GKO, the NKVD and the Smersh in the war.) Well, the question of Vlasov will somehow not surprise me.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 16: 18
          +3
          Quote: Olegater
          And for that matter, why don’t they erect a monument to I.V. To Stalin

          good question. Maybe the authorities are testing us, starting with a relatively weak resonance? But then it is strange - where are public opinion polls, media campaigns, round tables with all kinds of Solovyovs and Co.? Where is the preliminary probe? On anniversaries, the authorities are crucified in patriotic ecstasy "we will not forget, we will not forgive ...", but in fact, we will forget and forgive, because ... (hereinafter a list of reasons)?
          How is a curtsey towards the Finns in order to pull them by the sleeve from NATO? Well, that's really funny. After all, this is a promotion for domestic consumption. And everyone forgets that in St. Petersburg for more than 10 years there has been a Museum of M-ma in a hotel on Shpalernaya with the iconic name "Marshal"
          . Petersburgers will correct if I am mistaken.
          1. Olegater
            Olegater 19 June 2016 16: 33
            +4
            If there is a museum then why in public a board? And on the issue of weak resonance you RIGHTS it all starts small and ends with a swinging moral balance in society. But it was correctly noted that there were no companies in the media. It’s like with the Yeltsin center (in fact, the aspen nest of the d.h.r.r.a.k.a.t.i.i.) once opened. I don’t remember something, what would the media say about intentions to open such a hornet’s nest, or did I forget something? And such a tendency (to open quietly) becomes normal.
  45. Cartalon
    Cartalon 19 June 2016 15: 46
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    It is interesting to see the monuments to Ulyanov in which the population of St. Petersburg decreased by five times, but Manerheim cannot hang a board.
    1. excomandante
      excomandante 19 June 2016 17: 35
      +7
      Alexander Isaich! You?!
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 19 June 2016 18: 10
      +1
      It is interesting to see the monuments to Ulyanov in which the population of St. Petersburg fell by five times, but Manerheim cannot hang a board. ,,
      Misha, I’ll answer you with the question, how much did the population of Russia decrease under Peter I?
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 19 June 2016 21: 16
        -1
        Quote: kotvov
        Interesting monuments to Ulyanov

        Quote: kotvov
        under Peter I
  46. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 19 June 2016 15: 47
    +6
    Still, the decision of those in power to establish a memorial plaque to Karl Mannerheim in St. Petersburg


    The aspen stake is thicker than a plaque
  47. Signaller
    Signaller 19 June 2016 16: 16
    +2
    The Kremlin again stepped on a rake with this issue. They waited 200 years b. Then perhaps this board would appear. Napoleon also wanted to conquer us on the Borodino field. Yes, not given. Almost 200 years passed, and the French became some of the best friends. Time did not fit for the same boards. The memory of generations, however.
    1. family tree
      family tree 20 June 2016 05: 00
      0
      Yes, they were clamored in the 41st when they were the 638th Wehrmacht infantry regiment, and again under Borodin, and 23 thousand captured French, volunteers, by the way, as it were, only half as many as Italians, who are officially on the side of the Reich so that their
  48. sergo1914
    sergo1914 19 June 2016 16: 20
    +6
    Quote: basal
    His fault that he could not resist the revanchist mood and succumbed to persuasion of an alliance with Hitler


    This is achieved. Hitler persuaded, Hitler forced. And we are not guilty. This is all corporal. Rave. They climbed together in the USSR. Even listing is not the hunt of all whom Hitler persuaded. And when they began to grab it to the fullest, they ran away, like ... Who is in line for the boards? Horthy, Mussolini, Franco, Antonescu?
  49. alfa19638
    alfa19638 19 June 2016 16: 37
    +5
    And what to be surprised liberals will immortalize; we have no enemies, all partners
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